h/t wmcb at crawdad hole
I think Candy Crowley was pissed for being assigned to the “less prestigious” debate, the one where the moderator is supposed to be practically invisible, and she wasn’t going to stand for it. She really overstepped.
Nate Silver at the NYT says the roundup of instant polls gives obama a “narrow edge” but cautions against over exuberance on the part of obama supporters: “ Debates sometimes look different in the rear-view mirror, depending on news media coverage, YouTube and cable news highlights, word of mouth, and subsequent developments on the campaign trail.” Yep, the big story this morning (Anderson Cooper even confronted Crowley about it last night on the air) is the moderator. Crowley gave obama 4 more minutes of time than Romney to talk — that’s 10% of the time, and she also put her finger on the scale for obama with her interjection (which she later had to admit to her colleague Anderson Cooper was false) that obama called the assassination of Ambassador Stevens terrorism within 24 hours of 9/11/12. He didn’t. Hillary did. But obama did not.
Focus group of undecided voters on MSNBC were actually more persuaded by Romney’s message than obama’s. Chris Matthews et al proceeded to call them stupid. And then there was the wild group of former obama voters in Frank Luntz focus group in Las Vegas who almost all switched sides to Romney after watching the debate. One even blurted out that “obama has been bullshitting the country” on live TV– LOL.
But of course the absolute best line of the night was when obama was lying and smearing Romney with accusations of having investments in Chinese companies (Romney’s investments are in blind trust and he has no idea which companies his money is invested in). Romney shot back, insisting that Obama also has investments in Chinese companies through his own pension etc.
Romney: “Mr. President, have you looked at your pension lately?”
Obama: “No, I don’t look at it very often. Yours is much bigger than mine.”h/t votermom at the crawdad hole
President Yours Is Much Bigger. It really explains a lot, actually.
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murphy 10.17.12 at 9:21 am
I gotta agree with this tweet:
“Andy Lancaster@andylancaster
RT @amandacarpenter:
Romney had a focused strategy to find and hire qualified women for positions in leadership….so let’s make fun of him!”
Romney DID actively recruit, hire, promote, and pay well many many women on his staff. Always has.
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 11:35 am
Murphy – The good looking black dude on CNN that you thought was good looking – Van something.. had this side remark that I’m paraphrasing.. “Oh, he give these women flexible time off so that they can go home to get dinner ready”
Fuckturd doesn’t realise that, it is what women the world over that routinely do this. Work all day and ALSO get dinner ready. The men work all day and expect a beer and dinner ready by 7. Tell me a little more about equality here, why don’t you all.
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 11:54 am
It sounds great that Obama signed the Lilli Ledbetter bill but I think the Ledbetter bill is all about the STATUTE of limitation to file for pay discrimination. It wasn’t to CHAMPION women’s equal pay !
From Wikipedia:
The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 (Pub.L. 111-2, S. 181) is a federal statute in the United States that was the first bill signed into law by President Barack Obama on January 29, 2009. The Act amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964 stating that the 180-day statute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit regarding pay discrimination resets with each new paycheck affected by that discriminatory action. The law directly addressed Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., 550 U.S. 618 (2007), a U.S. Supreme Court decision that the statute of limitations for presenting an equal-pay lawsuit begins on the date that the employer makes the initial discriminatory wage decision, not at the date of the most recent paycheck.
A bill, also called the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, to supersede the decision, was introduced in the 110th United States Congress but was never enacted, as it was passed by the House but failed in the Senate.
oscarp 10.17.12 at 12:02 pm
Good afternoon my PUMA family ! the mas-Obama-quists ( a new word for masoquists) are in full blown celebration mode at the Huffington Post blindly celebrating the Liar-in-Chief boxing demonstration last night ! How ignorant someone can be to accept all those lies and stupid arguments? I am looking forward to the third debate, I want to see how many more lies this president will tell the people of this country ! O is back ! that is what they are saying, and yes, I agree, he is back at his best ! LIES ! when you analize his facial expressions, there is so much hate and impotence behind that false self-confidence! I am still wondering how an entire nation could elect him to the highest position in office ! Let me go back to the Huffo and have some fun ! Wanna join me?
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 12:26 pm
Oscarp – I’m going through all the CNN.com articles and putting my own spin on it. I do a bit of copy & paste -
Incidentally, some of the articles have comments but I don’t see a way to post a comment… i.e. there is no comment window? Any one knows how to post in such a case?
oscarp 10.17.12 at 12:43 pm
are you talking about Huffo? well, if you click on thearticle itself and it takes you to CNN, you might not be able to write any comments, but if you click directly on the comments link, it will let you post your ideas ! hope it helps ! see you there then . Let me know if it works !
DancesWithPumas 10.17.12 at 1:40 pm
From a hillaryis44 commenter:
Acc to CNN, debate watchers say Romney wins on the following internals in each category :
Economy: R-58% to O-40%
Taxes: R-51% to O-44%
Health Care: R-49% to O-46%
Deficit: R-59% to O-36%
John King concludes if this is the case and they don’t change their minds by Nov 6, then Romney wins the election.
DancesWithPumas 10.17.12 at 1:42 pm
James Carville says 80% of Democrats are clueless
http://mikesright.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/james-carville-says-80-of-democrats-are-politically-clueless/
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 2:20 pm
Dances – NO!!! James Carville ??? He said that ?? His wife Mary Matalin is Republican. When they are together, she always rolls her eyes at him..he always get the last word though. He doesn’t mince words much..read below.
“Ideologies aren’t all that important. What’s important is psychology.
The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard workers and convince them that they should support social programs that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you want.
The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic operative instead of a Republican was because there were more Democrats that didn’t have a clue than there were Republicans.
Truth is relative. Truth is what you can make the voter believe is the truth. If you’re smart enough, truth is what you make the voter think it is. That’s why I’m a Democrat. I can make the Democratic voters think whatever I want them to.”
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 2:24 pm
Oscarp – not on Huffpo..
For example, on the link below, I don’t see a window for posting comments like other articles. So how do people post comments ?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/16/binders-full-of-women-trending/
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 2:28 pm
So Jill Stein that you all are voting for..why did she put herself in a position to get arrested?
I’m sorry, Hillary would never be in that position.
If you want to be taken seriously, there are other ways to do it.
Getting arrested is not one of them.
But I am of the opinion that some Greenies can be a bit extreme.
OK – you can send in your hate comments to me now…
DancesWithPumas 10.17.12 at 3:06 pm
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 2:28 pm
“So Jill Stein that you all are voting for..why did she put herself in a position to get arrested?”
—– I believe, as a valid Presidential candidate, Jill Stein was trying to get access in order to participate in the “presidential” debate. The real questions are: why was she blocked participating in the debates; and why was she arrested before the debate and released as soon as the debate concluded?
“I’m sorry, Hillary would never be in that position.”
—- So? Dr Stein is not Hillary, nor is anyone else. Would Hillary have been blocked from debating had she been presidential candidate? Hillary is also a member of one of the two manstream parties.
“If you want to be taken seriously, there are other ways to do it.”
—– Really. Like what? When someone risks arrest in order to make their positions heard/known, believe me, I take them seriously.
“Getting arrested is not one of them.”
—–Stein didn’t “get arrested”, she “was” arrested. “They” arrested her. Why?
Sometimes you have to move beyond the rules that obstruct you in order to make things right. Isnt that how the United States was established?
“But I am of the opinion that some Greenies can be a bit extreme.”
—– You know what they say about opinions…
My opinion is the Greens aren’t any more extreme, and probably less so given their aspirations for people and the planet compared to manstream parties. Republicans want everyone to follow the laws of some white bearded invisible man who lives in the sky and has super powers; Republicans want to rule what women do with our bodies and our lives; Republicans put money over people. Democrats think flying drones and killing civilians is just fine; Democrats believe their is no demographic more discriminated against than Africa American; Democrats believe evryone on the planet is our friend. Democrats place corporations over people.
The positions of both of the manstream parties are extreme.
“OK – you can send in your hate comments to me now…”
—– This statement is a manipulative and meant to shut down counter-arguements by assigning yourself the victim position. Using the term “hate” is much the same. You’re stating that any counter comments are based in “hate”. The obots use the same ploy when they describe counter positions as “racist” and the commenter as “hater”.
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 3:22 pm
Relax, Dances -I was hardly serious when I said “OK – you can send in your hate comments to me now…”. HARDLY. Whatever. My “opinion” stinks just like yours.. I agree.
DancesWithPumas 10.17.12 at 5:18 pm
baaaahh
freespirit 10.17.12 at 5:19 pm
Put me down for Jill Stein. I’m just glad she beat out Rosanne. I had overlooked the jail thing. Oh well, even if she spent the last ten years in San Quentin, she’s a damn site better than the alternatives.
Headclunker 10.17.12 at 5:21 pm
No surprise about Candy. We all know Obama has never won anything honestly. And I know that some think he won the presidential election in 2008, but having worked the polls in Florida, that he won by 3%, I can tell you, that election was not honest either. So, maybe he could have won without cheating, but there sure was some cheating going on.
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 5:30 pm
I came back to say that I am not dissing Jill Stein and her supporters. I have never negatively or positively about anyone who wants to vote for her.
I was just reading on CNN (and Delle’s post) that she got arrested. To my mind, someone who gets arrested, normally has a ‘record’ and in politics they will drag everything out to prove one thing or another. I was just asking a simple question, why would she jeopardise her career. Of course, none of us know the real reason. We just think we do. I would ask that of anyone.. not just because it is her – it is a logical question.
P/S: Perhaps it is her 15 minutes of fame… is that bad to say as well ?
Oops. Sorry then. Again.
Go Jill Stein !!!
Headclunker 10.17.12 at 5:31 pm
Michelle Obama was the one who lead the clapping when Candy interrupted with her save Obama declaration.
yellowMcpuma08 10.17.12 at 5:54 pm
Freddiebrown, I go to CNN and read the post, have you seen the post of a Canadian guy Ed tanas.? He is so dam most of the times I post in his comments .
yttik 10.17.12 at 6:04 pm
Candy Crowley was an astoundingly bad debate moderator. I was really starting to feel embarrassed for her. I couldn’t believe it when she rushed in to help President Obama. In spite of the favoritism, the bias, the sucking up, both Biden and Obama disrespected the women who were moderating. If they show that much disrespect to women who are salivating over them, then there is no hope for the rest of us.
Biden actually stabbed his finger in the air and snapped at Martha, and Obama rudely dismissed Candy when she nearly begging, “please sir, we have to move on.” I kid you not, I really thought he was going to tell her to just STFU.
I’m voting for Mitt Romney. I want to end the disrespect and contempt towards women that this administration has championed.
Headclunker 10.17.12 at 6:27 pm
Certainly there are more and more women under the Obama Bus. Now that Obama has decided that he called the Benghazi attack terrorism, where does that leave Susan Rice?
Now Candy has thrown herself under the wheels to save the Oblovinator. Her moderation was really a travesty. And the people who were asking the questions got seriously dissed.
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 6:32 pm
Yellow McPuma – I have not read Ed Tanas’s posts. I will look out for it.
Sometimes, it is more fun than 2 monkeys in a barrel – but i have to cut myself off or else I spend too much time there.
Of course there is a lot of salivating from women (and men) at Obama.. He is charming and has a great smile – if you can’t see the fake-ness in it.
Mitt Romney is at least doing his best without pandering and without doing it in a public arena. When people wanted to get Mitt to do something they think he won’t consider ever (like the Olympics and running for POTUS again), they go to Ann. It shows he values her thoughts. They very obviously love each other for 42 years and it still shows..
Headclunker 10.17.12 at 6:50 pm
freddiebrown #3
Ledbetter was a nice little bill but I do not think it helped alot of women. This is what we needed: http://www.pay-equity.org/info-leg.html
BO dropped the ball. And Romney is not likely to call him on it as it is his party that obstructed it.
yellowMcpuma08 10.17.12 at 7:01 pm
Yes Frediebrown I’m spending a lot of time there. is funny reading obamots pasional post, I think this election is about love.thanks for your post, and wishing your Freddy dog is doing well.
Headclunker 10.17.12 at 8:14 pm
So BO had the help of the moderator and 3 extra minutes (again) for round 2. Let the Bobots think he won. America got to see more of the real Barack Obama. Not the world uniting, manna-from-heaven, super BO that is The One. Just a double-talking con man.
The mask slips some more.
freespirit 10.17.12 at 10:22 pm
freddiebrown, just clarifying that I didn’t take your comments about Jill as negative, and wasn’t responding to them – if I gave that impression. To be honest, I really don’t know that much about her, and am not excited about voting for her, although I’m sure she’s an adequate candidate, I just can’t vote for the Dem or the Pub, and am glad to have a woman to vote for. I see it as a protest vote, primarily. Wish I were more excited about the whole thing, but damn, excitement ain’t easy to come by these days.
Women have lost ground, since 2008, and it’s increasingly disturbing. If you stop and think about it, it’s astounding that in the twenty-first century, in this country, major gender inequality is still the norm. What’s worse, some women are perfectly content with the state of women’s rights. It’s time for organized, radical, militant feminist action.
Well, I guess that sounded a little crazier than I intended, lol. But, I do believe it’s going to take some really pissed-off feminists to demand an end to sexism. I think there are quite a few of us who fall into that category.
freddiebrown 10.17.12 at 11:42 pm
FreeSpirit – Some of the comments about women are too crazy in some of the CNN articles too. I think some of these people don’t think too highly of women and they keep characterizing women as wishy washy, Oh, did Romney loose ground with women with his “binders” comment. Did Obama gain ground because of Ledbetter. Nothing will change my mind. I don’t know. I do tell you what. At this self defence class tonight, this guy who is a bit bigger than me kneed me twice in the groin when there is supposed to be no contact. He is an advanced student. Second time, I had to tell him “hey no contact”. Next time, I will strike his balls, oops, sorry…Then there was this woman, about late 40′s with glasses.. she was so afraid to jump in – she actually said, she was afraid – hanging back etc. Finally I told her, if she can’t see the demo’s she will not learn anything and I gently shoved her to the front. If I were a thug, I would make a beeline for her. Bless her heart, she wanted to take this class for some reason (there’s a lot of jocks but also a good handful of women.) Next time, I will try to befriend her and shore up her confidence – starting with not telling anyone you’re scared.
YellowMcPuma – THANK YOU for asking. Freddie dog is good..he’ll never be better but we are managing and trying to slow his heart problems. He is so much more energetic and actually bouncing on the coffee table and chewing his stick ! Compared to a month ago when we were actually saying goodbye to him. He’s sleeping on my desk now.
I’m off to China(Shanghai) tomorrow..I hear so much about this waterfront called the Bund..the pride of Shanghai. But I really want to see the Great Wall. One of my bucket list.
murphy 10.18.12 at 8:33 am
obama’s woman problem posted,
take it upstairs!
RememberNovember 10.18.12 at 2:00 pm
((Freddie))- you may not see this but you have such a good heart. Enjoy your bucket list :>)
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