The debate last night was good theater. Ryan did what he needed to do — come across as competent and intelligent and not make any big gaffes or stumbles. Biden did what he needed to do — throw some punches for his (weak, incompetent) boss and not make any big gaffes or stumbles. It was more or less a draw. My big takeaway, and the one I think most independents would agree with, is that the opponents’ performances will have opposite effects on their bosses.
Biden’s clear mastery of the subject matter (across a very wide spectrum of issues. Kudos to Martha Raddatz for her relentless focus on substantive issues.) and casual competence and the recall of an old, experienced hand were undeniable, and made obama look really really bad in comparison. If you weren’t thinking, “Why the hell is this guy the veep while the dumbass gets the big office?” then you are a koolaid addict.
Ryan’s youthful vigor and earnestness, along with his quick-witted responses and his own clear mastery of the subject matter, were also undeniable. He was also clearly a bit nervous and was outmaneuvered by Old Joe more than a few times, which highlights his youth and relative inexperience on the 2nd biggest stage in the world. That’s fine for the Repubs since he’s the veep candidate not the presidential, but it did have the effect of making Romney look like the more mature, seasoned side of the ticket.
Bottom line:
Biden makes obama look much worse.
Ryan makes Romney look better.
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murphy 10.12.12 at 8:37 am
the Uh-Bama video in the post is HIGH-larious.
h/t myiq2xu
HP Boston 10.12.12 at 8:46 am
Biden was so rude, yelling,finger pointing, finger waging, smirking, laughing, a real jerk!!! HE WAS NEVER SPECIFIC! He rambled and stuttered,interrupted and LIED! He was rude to Martha also, she gave him much to much leeway.
Ryan is your basic repub asshole. They so love being in every woman’s uterus, hardly room with the Catholic church in there too!
I have no dog in this race, can not vote for either “daddy”.
Going to vote for Jill Stein.
murphy 10.12.12 at 8:47 am
I read that Biden used the word “obama” only once last night.
Also that he interrupted Ryan 96 times while Ryan interrupted only 6 times.
Not sure if this is true as I havent been able to find the source, but Biden clearly was the more rude and interrupting participant, and it’s true he certainly didnt refer to his boss nearly as often as Ryan did. Further evidence supporting my takeaway.
murphy 10.12.12 at 8:48 am
yep — it’s pathetic and horrible that we dont have a woman anywhere on the national tickets of the major parties.
that’s why I’m treating this as patriarchal political theater.
sort of like Chekov, with nuclear weapons.
yttik 10.12.12 at 10:37 am
I don’t think that was a draw at all. I think Ryan won, hands down. Ryan didn’t really beat Biden, Biden simply self destructed to the sound of his own mocking laughter.
Biden did tell some whoppers, like “Syria is five times larger than Libya.” No, it’s much smaller. He went on to claim the population was smaller and spread out over a larger area. No, again. The population is larger and packed into a smaller area.
Biden also said, “we saved a million jobs! 100,000 thousand people are now working!” I can’t fact check that, because I don’t know WTH he was talking about, but I do want to know what happened to the other 900,000 people.
I also wish Biden had not talked about how he was going to “level” the field for the middle class. I feel like the field has been leveled enough and I’m now camped out in the rubble.
murphy 10.12.12 at 10:57 am
ytttik — yeah I was wondering what was up with that. five times larger?? Libya is a pretty big country for gods sake. And he was speaking his malarkey with such conviction!
Maybe you’re right. The snap polls afterward show more or less a draw and the dem base is certainly happy today, but maybe it’s a Dean Scream kinda happy and when people reflect the bounce will go to romney/ryan and be more Mittmentum.
Fine by me!
murphy 10.12.12 at 11:03 am
just read over at crawdads:
“votermom, on October 12, 2012 at 8:44 am said:
From an ace commenter
Erevis over on Ar15.com crunched the numbers:
In the VP debate, Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times. The moderator interrupted Ryan 34 times, for a total of 116 times in a 90 minute debate.
Now, let’s break that down further:
Biden spoke for 41:50 minutes. Ryan spoke for 40.05 minutes.
This means that Ryan was interrupted by either Biden or the moderator EVERY 20.73 SECONDS.
Try making ANY POINT under such assault.”
DancesWithPumas 10.12.12 at 11:24 am
Saved a million jobs = Auto industry bailouts, etc..
100,000 people are now working= formerly unemployed who now have part time, minimum wage work, seasonal workers, temp workers, etc.
100,000 people are now working isn’t even a drop in the bucket given the real numbers of those who qualify for work and can’t find employment, that number is in the millions!
He conflated the terms. Smoke and mirrors.
freddiebrown 10.12.12 at 12:11 pm
I find Bidens deameanor overrides everything he had to say. Its like: how can I trust a clown to give me a serious message?
bellecat 10.12.12 at 12:43 pm
Great Post Murphy:
The pictures are excellent; but I LUV the Obama UH video.
I agree that Biden had a good command of the stage and words. The perplexity is why the BOzo is -supposedly the commander in charge instead of a more articulate, seasoned and experience Joe Biden. Yet, Biden interrupted, laughed and mocked too many times; -which I’m sure that was the strategy, but It worked against him.
bellecat 10.12.12 at 12:50 pm
I’ve been for months, seriously thinking on voting for the Green Party-Jill Stein, but I read that since there’s not chance of winning, her votes will automatically go to Blahrack Obooma.
Is that true and really the case?
I would hate to give my vote to Obama by proxy.
I’m looking for info and feed back.
Delle 10.12.12 at 1:28 pm
They are going to throw Hillary under the bus!!
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/12/white_house_obama_and_biden_were_never_aware_of_requests_for_more_benghazi_security
HP Boston 10.12.12 at 2:09 pm
#11 Bellecat
I call that hogwash…if I don’t vote for obie or romie, I will not vote at all. (So my vote goes in for Jill)I am unenrolled…no party.
I am the vote they are BOTH looking for..they ain’t getting it. Romney does not need my vote to win. He is the one chosen to win and it will be so! The menz have decided it is his turn and the fix is in.
HP Boston 10.12.12 at 2:21 pm
Delle
I think they would be nuts to throw Hillary under the bus.I doubt there is any room left under there.
Bill and Hillary would crush Ofartinajar, they know EVERYTHING!
Delle 10.12.12 at 2:26 pm
The Clintons do know everything. I’d love to see them start spilling the beans.
Just keep it up obots. You don’t know what you are getting yourselves into!
yttik 10.12.12 at 3:44 pm
Hillary is not going under the bus.I’m sure Obama would very much like her to go under the bus, but she is far too experienced for that. Hillary and Rep Issa have a good relationship. He actually said she was the only one in this administration providing congress with any transparency. He again praised her at the start of the hearings. Hillary not only handed congress what they requested, she offered them additional witnesses and access to any info gathered from the State Dept investigation, she herself has ordered.
Hillary is not on trial here. Her job is to be a diplomat, not to inform the country about foreign affairs. And Susan Rice does not work for the State Dept, President Obama made her position a cabinet position, so Rice is not even Hillary’s responsibility.
Joe Biden directly contradicted the sworn testimony given in that congressional hearing, last night during the debate, when he said that nobody ever told us about the need for security in Libya. In other words, Joe Biden lied. Susan Rice lied. Charlene Lamb lied. These are not the kind of lies that work, since the evidence is pretty blatant and shows they lied. There were no protesters upset about a you tube video that night. Security was not adequate. Security requests were denied. The ambassador is dead. It’s sadly undeniable at this point.
Hillary can’t be held accountable for the response from President Obama, Susan Rice, or Joe Biden. They don’t work for her.
If Biden, Obama, “didn’t know,” that’s their fault. It’s their job to know. They should have attended some presidential briefings, asked some questions, read intelligence reports. “We didn’t know” is like saying nobody did our homework for us. It’s also a lie, because people just testified that yes, indeed, you did know.
honora 10.12.12 at 3:44 pm
I don’t mean to “pull a Biden” and INTERRUPT this discussion, but I just saw a CNN tape of Malala Yousufzai from a few months ago. She is incredible. Such strength and determination. She reminds me of Hillary. I am so angry and saddened right now. I know that we don’t all pray, but any of you that do, may want to do so now. The world needs this girl to survive. http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/12/world/asia/pakistan-teen-activist-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
PS Lets go O’s!!
freddiebrown 10.12.12 at 3:47 pm
I love the Clintons – they too are career politicians. They are loyal Democrats through and through. I don’t think they will spill any beans to tarnish their own party. They don’t want to be seen as spoilers. Besides, I really think that Chelsea Clinton will be on the political stage very soon and they need all the goodwill their party can give them.
freddiebrown 10.12.12 at 3:52 pm
For those who did not catch it, I think it was either Wolf Blitzer or Anderson Cooper on CNN last night that brought up the fact that the moderator attended Biden’s wedding. ( I assume his second wedding).
As you know, she kept asking Ryan question after question and gave Biden quite a pass for his juvenile antics. So no bias there, right ?
Whatever, it’s over.
freddiebrown 10.12.12 at 3:54 pm
My comment was in response to Murphy’s # 7
Its unfortunate that Ryan got interrupted so much. We really wanted to hear what he had to say
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In the VP debate, Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times. The moderator interrupted Ryan 34 times, for a total of 116 times in a 90 minute debate.
Now, let’s break that down further:
Biden spoke for 41:50 minutes. Ryan spoke for 40.05 minutes.
This means that Ryan was interrupted by either Biden or the moderator EVERY 20.73 SECONDS.
Try making ANY POINT under such assault.”
DancesWithPumas 10.12.12 at 4:21 pm
I think the polls had win percentages at Ryan 46% – Biden 44%.
Either way, the pundits are calling the debate “a draw”. Now consider this:
“Joe Biden has done 18 Presidential or Vice Presidential debates and Paul Ryan has done zero.” (h/t HillaryIs44). Given that factoid, I’d have to say Ryan was the clear winner.
Yes, we really wanted to hear what Ryan had to say. Obama/Biden didnt want us to hear what Ryan had to say, therefore the continuous interruptions. If you believe in the principles of democracy, and you believe in your accomplishments and plans for the future as pres and VP, and you keep yammering about Americans having a choice in the upcoming election, why not allow American voters hear what the other side is pitching?
chickenshitassholes
DancesWithPumas 10.12.12 at 4:25 pm
bellecat 10.12.12 at 12:50 pm
I’ve been for months, seriously thinking on voting for the Green Party-Jill Stein, but I read that since there’s not chance of winning, her votes will automatically go to Blahrack Obooma.
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-Check the source of that information.
-It’s an open election, all registered voters get to vote for their candidate.
-They won’t know that Jill Stein, or anyone else for that matter, lost until they count the votes.
-They can’t just willy nilly reassign your vote based on their projections, nor after the fact.
Check your State’s Board of Elections rules, or call them.
freddiebrown 10.12.12 at 4:37 pm
Dances – so true. If you’re worried about what your opponent has to say and to obstruct him, then there must be a problem. I think the public has a right to hear everyone out and make their own judgement. God help us all if the two stand up comics win again.
I am making a point to come back from my international trip to cast my vote.
I will be saying among other things “Hillary, this is for you. The skinny ass took it from you but we will make it short lived. Now lets see what Romney/Ryan can do”
Headclunker 10.12.12 at 4:50 pm
Love the video. I have a hard time listening to Obama because I find that so VERY annoying.
And piss on Joe, a whole lot of Americans wanted to hear what Ryan had to say.
Ryan won.
Delle 10.13.12 at 4:58 am
Bill Clinton is moving fast to develop a plan for his wife. He is not going to let Hillary be thrown under the bus. At least not as easily as the obots want!
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/12/author-ed-klein-as-benghazi-blame-nears-hillary-clintons-grow-furious/#ixzz2989aICYO
Could get interesting.
freddiebrown 10.13.12 at 1:02 pm
OK – It was Obama that attended moderator Martha Raddatz wedding in 1991..
So it answers a lot of questions why Ms. Martha gave Biden lots of leeway and threw herself into debating Ryan.
Dead fish stinks here…
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President Barack Obama was a guest at the 1991 wedding of ABC senior foreign correspondent and vice presidential debate moderator Martha Raddatz, The Daily Caller has learned. Obama and groom Julius Genachowski, whom Obama would later tap to head the Federal Communications Commission, were Harvard Law School classmates at the time and members of the Harvard Law Review.
After TheDC made preliminary inquiries Monday to confirm Obama’s attendance at the wedding, ABC leaked a pre-emptive statement to news outlets including Politico and The Daily Beast Tuesday, revealing what may have been internal network pressure felt just days before Raddatz was scheduled to moderate the one and only vice-presidential debate Thursday night.
Both Politico and The Daily Beast jumped to ABC and Raddatz’s defense. The Huffington Post, a liberal news outlet, joined them shortly thereafter, while calling “unusual” ABC’s attempt to kill the story before it gained wide circulation.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/abc-news-scrambles-to-cover-up-barack-obamas-attendance-at-vp-debate-moderators-wedding/#ixzz29CeuPwcb
freddiebrown 10.13.12 at 1:04 pm
And even though Hillary did blame the video for the Libya attacks, I would hate for the White House to throw her under the bus and crucify her at the end of her term as Sec of State. If she resigns, it would be bad for her career and great for Obama’s career – it would tank.
It is never a good thing to work for your “once” enemy…
bellecat 10.13.12 at 1:21 pm
#22 Dances:
Thank you, I’m checking all around.
PUMAS:
The Confluence, RD has a very good posting on Jill Stein-Green Party and Third Party significance.
For us women, a very valid alternative to vote for a woman presidential candidate.
Take a close look at her platform agenda…
We women can make a very powerful and clear statement by choosing to vote for a woman.
I’m voting for Jill Stein.
Admin added this link:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2012/10/12/do-3rd-party-votes-count-of-course-they-do/
Headclunker 10.13.12 at 1:28 pm
freddiebrown #26
We saw this with Gwen Ifill in the 2008 debate. Of course Obama is not going to win fairly. The fix will probably be in on the other debates also. Romney will have to get around it.
#27. Hillary herself never gave any false statements about the nature of the attack in Libya. Not a single one of the MSM are defending her. Sure, she denounced the video and the mob, but I distinctly remember that her earliest statement about the embassy, was that is was an organized attack. I am pretty sure it was Fox news that has that clip. Of course it was O$#!thead who sent out Susan Rice to mislead the public. Hillary is having to navigate some treacherous waters, but she may just have the stake to drive through Ovampires dead heart.
So just who do you think pulled the marines out just before 911? Hillary cannot be innocent, but we all know who is guilty. Let us see her play her cards.
bellecat 10.13.12 at 1:30 pm
I love Hillary, but she is not running, she does not want to run , she can not be a “write in” choice without her consent.
HP Boston 10.13.12 at 2:04 pm
bellecat
Woot! Woot! We are voting for Jill Stein!!
DancesWithPumas 10.13.12 at 2:50 pm
Belle,
Yep. Quite a few of us here, on Facebook, and Twitter, will be voting for Jill Stein -2012!
Enough with the scam of the D – R duopoly.
DancesWithPumas 10.13.12 at 2:54 pm
If / when Obama throws Hillary under the bus, there will be the wrath of Bill Clinton to face, and since Obama is clenching onto Bill’s coat tails in order to win this election… Obama will be slitting his own throat. We all know obama never has, and would never win anything on his own.
Novice. Amateur. Incompetent.
HP Boston 10.13.12 at 2:57 pm
A FART IN A JAR
DancesWithPumas 10.13.12 at 3:01 pm
The Riverdaughter article to which Belle referred:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2012/10/12/do-3rd-party-votes-count-of-course-they-do/
RememberNovember 10.13.12 at 4:17 pm
Freddie and Headclunker – the first I heard Hillary mention the attack was when the bodies were flown home. She gave wonderful and personal mini eulogies for
each person and then I am almost certain she said something about the video. It struck me at the time to be so out of place in that context – didn’t go with the flow of her address. I doubt if that got much TV coverage but watch for it if it is ever repeated
RememberNovember 10.13.12 at 4:26 pm
Voting for Jill Stein?? I SO worry that voting for ANY third candidate will give us another four years of this President. Those of us who are such ardent Hillary fans are needed to make a change in Washington that will give us hope.
On the other hand how does a third party candidate ever get going if no-one votes for them for fear of giving someone we don’t want as President the advantage? I just have to go with Romney/Ryan this time – I am just sick of the gutter trawling the Dems are engaged in and when we elect Hillary we have to dump out a whole s*%tload of current Dems at the same time. You know who they are!!
BTW did you notice that someone shot through a Dem party office in Denver? Wasn’t it the Obama office in Denver that was vandalized last time by their own people in order to blame the oppostion? Can’t remember now if that was Hillary or John McCain!!
RememberNovember 10.13.12 at 4:29 pm
Nice to see you all here! I pass by often – sorry – in general I don’t comment much – have to watch my blood pressure! See you later.
Headclunker 10.13.12 at 4:46 pm
RememberNovember #36
The clip I am thinking of was like a day or so after the attack, before the services.
freddiebrown 10.13.12 at 4:52 pm
Ohh.. Dances – I’m gonna borrow your: Novice. Amateur. Incompetent.
Make the Obamabots heads spin over at CNN.com
DancesWithPumas 10.14.12 at 2:50 pm
Arlen (Anita hill) specter has died. He was 82.
freddiebrown 10.14.12 at 4:05 pm
I got tired of playing with the cnn.com obots…
In 2009, Specter left the Republican Party after 44 years when he concluded he could not win his party’s primary in Pennsylvania in 2010 against a conservative challenger. But his bid for re-election in 2010 ended in failure when he was beaten by a liberal challenger for the Democratic nomination.
DancesWithPumas 10.14.12 at 9:02 pm
Background on Benghazi attack:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm#.UHmUMQQjpX0.twitter
Headclunker 10.14.12 at 9:32 pm
DWP,
Very Interesting. The thing is that BO slept through his 3AM call. We were just not prepared for something like what happened in Benghazi. If the basic facilities were defensible and had a contingent of Marines, they could have held off such forces until help arrived. But the facilities were not defensible, the Marines were not there and there was no help coming. We were too busy pretending that the Messiah had transformed the Middle East and that all was well. Maybe he should have reminded the terrorists that he is a Nobel Peace Prize Winner.
No wonder Hillary announced that she would not be serving another term. Too late to escape the incompetence of the narcissist-in-chief.
Assholerod was on Fox, blaming the State Department.
Godzilla 10.14.12 at 10:08 pm
Hillary Fighting Back
freddiebrown 10.14.12 at 11:47 pm
Godzilla – I really hope Hillary fights back.So far every pile of shit Obama puts out ends up somehow smelling like roses. Hillary needs to show him that his shit stinks. I hope Bubba Bill is sick to his stomach over this and stays off the campaign trail.
Stephanie Cutter (Obama’s campaign manager) is making the rounds saying that Mitt Romney was the first to politicize this..Like they expect a terrorist rampage that killed a US Ambassador to be swept under the carpet…because..talking about it and asking questions would undermine the Royal Obama team. I get that they want to keep promoting the idea that killing Osama is akin to eradicating Al Qaeda..but it ain’t so Joe and you cannot lie to the American people lock stock and barrel. Blaming Romney or Hillary won’t do any good.
bellecat 10.15.12 at 12:52 pm
Godzilla freddie:
I hope this turns big on the Fraud in chief…
Delle 10.15.12 at 1:03 pm
Hillary Strikes Back!
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/10/13/whoooah-hillary-strikes-back-attaches-u-n-ambassador-susan-rice-to-obama-white-house-propaganda-messaging/
DancesWithPumas 10.15.12 at 1:56 pm
RememberNovember 10.13.12 at 4:26 pm [edit]
“Voting for Jill Stein?? I SO worry that voting for ANY third candidate will give us another four years of this President. Those of us who are such ardent Hillary fans are needed to make a change in Washington that will give us hope.”
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Not playing that lesser of two evils game any more. Voting for the lesser of two evils still gets you evil. Their system is working. The joke’s on us.
If they ever want my vote they’re going to actually earn it. Gee, what a concept.
I’m willing to go though seriously hard times if that’s what it takes to wake up the dullard citizentry of this country.
3rd Party all the way. In my case, I’ll be voting for the woman presidential candidate: Jill Stein.
freddiebrown 10.15.12 at 2:05 pm
We can’t even get an extremely capable woman nominated to be POTUS in the year 2008. It will always be very close. It will always be the carrot in front of us. I will be dead before I see a 3rd party formed. Its like making our selves feel better “writing” Hillary in, in 2008.
The FOCUS is to get rid of Obama. Do not loose the focus.
DancesWithPumas 10.15.12 at 2:38 pm
Delle 10.15.12 at 1:03 pm
Hillary Strikes Back!
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/10/13/whoooah-hillary-strikes-back-attaches-u-n-ambassador-susan-rice-to-obama-white-house-propaganda-messaging/
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I found most of the comments on that thread very interesting.
DancesWithPumas 10.15.12 at 2:43 pm
Freddie
3rd parties have been around for a very long time. Relatively few vote for them because “they aren’t viable” = they can’t win. If Jill Stein had a vote from each of the naysayers, she, her party, would be in the running.
Then there are the powers that be. Do you know how many political types didn’t even know Stein was running? Tons!
MSM = corporations… They have a vested interested in ignoring those who threaten to overturn their lucrative apple cart.
Media doesn’t tell us what to think. Media tells us what / who to think about.
freddiebrown 10.15.12 at 4:36 pm
What I find interesting is that there is NO mention on CNN that Hillary is trying to distance herself from Susan Rice. Maybe Romney will bring it up tomorrow somehow. Maybe they are trying to downplay it so as not to add fodder to tomorrow’s debate.
freddiebrown 10.15.12 at 4:44 pm
BOSTON — Aides to Mitt Romney and Republican strategists fret that no matter how well Romney does in Tuesday’s town hall debate, the media will inevitably award victory to President Barack Obama.
Everyone loves a comeback, and just as pundits and reporters found one after the first debate in Denver in the GOP nominee’s strong performance, Romney and GOP operatives argue that the same will hold true of the president following Tuesday’s second round on Long Island.
A senior Romney adviser predicted that “It’s going to be very hard to find observers to say [Obama] was just as bad as he was in the first debate…. the last debate sort of lowered a lot of expectations in the minds of many observers.”
“Perhaps Romney’s biggest challenge will be overcoming a Gang of 500 who would love nothing more than reporting ‘Obama wins round by KO’ lede,’” concurred Brad Dayspring, a GOP strategist and adviser to the YG Action Fund. “Obama the comeback kid is a very appealing story line.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82423.html#ixzz29PG9FHrx
Cape Hatteras 10.15.12 at 5:05 pm
Good song for those who voted for the unicorn riding fraud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0BWlvnBmIE
Headclunker 10.15.12 at 5:19 pm
David Assholerod has apparently been spending alot of time with Oblabla because he has picked up his “uah” habit.
Delle 10.15.12 at 7:21 pm
Hillary is taking the blame! Why is she doing this? It’s the opposite from what she said in her interview with the Daily Mail!
Link to the CNN report on HRC.
http://cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/10/15/exp-erin-clinton-takes-responsibility-for-libya-attack-elise-labott.cnn
I am very disappointed.
Headclunker 10.15.12 at 8:05 pm
Delle,
That video said a whole bunch of nothing. Of course she takes responsibility. The buck does stop with her. There is no way around that. But who ordered the Marines out of Libya in August and who ordered Susan Rice to go lye her ass off?
Hillary is going to be treading water until after the election. Hopefully she is busy tracking down some terrorists.
DancesWithPumas 10.15.12 at 8:25 pm
Hmmm…
1) Trade off with DNC? Take responsibility and we’ll support you for a 2016 run?
2) Show integrity and leadership by taking responsibility?
3) Take the bullet for them now, knowing Bill is going to shoot them in the back later?
4) She won’t be running in 2016 so doesn’t care if she takes the blame.
5) ultimately, the responsibility actually does lie with the Dept of State.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/15/clinton-i-take-responsibility-for-benghazi/
Headclunker 10.15.12 at 8:39 pm
Hillary is far from done over Benghazi. She stopped the buck because she wanted it. The Boob looks even worse for being such an empty suit in an empty chair. Watch her show the world how to take responsibility and clean up a mess. Like a President should.
freddiebrown 10.15.12 at 8:52 pm
I thought the last we heard was a distancing with Susan Rice.
Who knows what the deal is…it is constantly shifting.
Hillary is not a simpleton…she could not just see it as an obscure video starting a terrorist attack – unless it is wishful thinking.
But really, who knows what deals are being dealt.
Headclunker 10.15.12 at 9:14 pm
Freddiebrown,
Oblowit and Big Mouthed Biden have screwed things up so much, that they BO is terrified of having to debate with the subject so open. But H has not taken responsibility for personally giving any specific directives. Benghazi was not even the main embassy. What was the ambassador doing out there on 9/11?
Look at it this way: Now Romney needs to tell BO to come out from behind Hillary’s skirts, man-up and own up to what happened.
Godzilla 10.15.12 at 9:17 pm
From the CNN article:
“Clinton said President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden are not involved in security decisions.”…this is actually a damning statement about Obama
Also:
“Clinton also sought to downplay the criticism that administration officials continued to say the attack was a spontaneous product of a protest over an anti-Muslim film, a theory that has since been discarded. In the wake of an attack, there is always confusion, Clinton said. But the information has since changed, she said.”…again, this makes it clear that it was the white house that jumped the shark over the film, NOT the state department…this too is damning on Obama
If you go to the CNN link on drudge and watch the video, it’s clear that the only thing Hillary owned up to is that State Department security is her responsibility. She’s already made it clear that she never subscribed to the video BS.
Personally, I think Hillary is making these statements on her own cognizance. Obama would love to have this just swept under the rug until after the election. And look how negative the comments are of Obama now from multiple outlets after Hillary’s announcement. Obama appears so weak and ineffectual right now.
murphy 10.15.12 at 9:37 pm
It’s all her fault posted,
take it upstairs!
murphy 10.15.12 at 9:37 pm
please repost comments upstairs from down here thanks.
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