What lovely news to wake up to!
REPORTING FROM CAIRO – The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to three women from Africa and the Middle East who symbolized the nonviolent struggle to improve their nations and advance the role of women’s rights throughout the world.
The winners were Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Africa’s first democratically elected female president; her countrywoman Leymah Gbowee, a peace activist who challenged warlords; and Tawakul Karman, a Yemeni human rights leader seeking to overthrow an autocratic regime as part of the so-called Arab Spring.
President Sirleaf is the woman who so decisively schooled the awful Deborah Solomon in this New York Times “conversation”–
If women ran the world, would wars still exist?
No. It would be a better, safer and more productive world. A woman would bring an extra dimension to that task — and that’s a sensitivity to humankind. It comes from being a mother.
But if women had power, they would be more likely to acquire the negative traits that power breeds, like selfishness and territorialism.
It would take a very long term of women absolutely in power to get to the place where they became men.
Why do you think we’ve never had a female president in the United States?
I have to ask you that question. You’ve got to vote for her.
This is an open thread.



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prplvette85 10.07.11 at 9:58 am
Thanks Murphy for posting this great news first thing in the morning! However, it is very sad, that in the most powerful nation in the world, we still cannot get a woman elected to the highest position in our government. We are truly going backwards. it saddens me.
goofsmom 10.07.11 at 12:27 pm
Wooo HOOO!!!
Today is a powerful day for WOMEN!!!
Nobel Peace Prize Goes to Women’s Activists Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Leymah Gbowee and Tawakul Karman
FTA
“The women were awarded the prize for their “non-violent struggle for the safety of women and for women’s rights to full participation in peace-building work.”
http://abcnews.go.com/International/nobel-peace-prize-ellen-johnson-sirleaf-leymah-gbowee/story?id=14687966
invalidresponse 10.07.11 at 2:01 pm
THIS YOU HAVE TO SEE
Sorry if this has already been posted,(haven’t been in comment section lately)
But I thought you all might want to see this
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“The city of Topeka Kansas is talking about repealing its anti-domestic violence law.”
“Shawnee County prosecutors, dealing with a 10 percent budget cut, told city officials that they will no longer prosecute misdemeanor cases, including domestic violence.”
First watch this video
http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/7de6e00f-15d8-4d45-a81d-f23ff898461b/News/Advocates-Outraged-Over-Refusal-to-Prosecute-Abuse-Cases
then go here for more details
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/10/06/338461/topeka-kansas-city-council-considers-decriminalizing-domestic-violence-to-save-money/
invalidresponse 10.07.11 at 2:08 pm
There is also a petition going up about this (for what petitions are worth)
http://www.change.org/petitions/topeka-kansas-city-council-stop-the-decriminalization-of-domestic-violence
HP Boston 10.07.11 at 3:12 pm
Well WOMEN of Topeka I say beat the shit out of your insignificant other every single night…use a chain saw!
Zee 10.07.11 at 5:01 pm
Unbelievable, invalid!!
Women around the globe are getting elected to higher office….winning Nobel prizes…and here at home the Sexist Pig in chief has so botched the economy and so modeled chauvenism that there are too many wife-beaters for the underfunded police forces to handle. Great.
DancesWithPumas 10.07.11 at 5:19 pm
Domestic Abuse Solutions R Us: Blade ‘n Blender.
Delle 10.07.11 at 5:30 pm
OT but …..
The Obama administration is cracking down on the medical marijuana industry, in a big way. In letters received by 16 licensed California dispensaries and their landlords this week, U.S. Attorneys threatened to swoop in and seize the properties if they don’t close up shop within 45 days.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/07/california-pot-shops-ordered-to-shut-down-within-45-days/
Hey – I live on the other side of the country, but I thought medical marijuana was legal in California.
Attorneys swooping in and seizing property reminds me of the great Ken Burns series on Prohibition that I just watched on PBS.
DancesWithPumas 10.07.11 at 5:38 pm
Delle
I heard today that they have given Orange and Riverside Counties 45 days to shut down. I was surprised not hear mention of the rest of CA. There’s a medical marijuana shop around and up the corner from where I live. (Hilarious enough there’s a “Candy ‘Eggo” shop next door to it. Guess one has to be prepared when the munchies hit.)
Zee 10.07.11 at 7:10 pm
Delle, I saw that earlier today, too and am ready to rub Obot noses in it, lolol.
Too funny…on FB I took a swaggering male poet (they are all divas) to task and he huffed he would take his “offending” post down….like it was my fault. The wounded male is soooooo pitiful.
Hey. What can I say? I’ll never learn my lesson.
Headclunker 10.07.11 at 7:31 pm
Ellen Johnson Sirleaf. That is one sassy looking woman. And she had to actually DO something, instead of just talk about it, to get her prize.
invalidresponse 10.07.11 at 8:28 pm
#6 Zee, this is not to be read as an attack…….BUT……
Your statement:
“Sexist Pig in chief has so botched the economy and so modeled chauvenism that there are too many wife-beaters for the underfunded police forces to handle.”
The “botched the economy” part is a bit unfair and bias
It is after all the repubs that:
1) had the economy pretty much botched before he even got into office
2) put us in two unfunded wars
3) are screaming and yelling about shrinking the government (shrinking government means cutting budgets ie less police, and government employment.
4) forced the stimulant package to be so chalked full of tax cuts that it had a limited job creating effect
5) refuse to take away the subsidies to big oil (even though the companies themselves have said they are not needed)
6) Have refused to penalize big corp’s for taking their money and business out of this country
7) Have refused to get on board with ANY job creating program that is not strictly limited to continuing or increasing taxes to the super rich. (these are the lowest taxes in modern history for the rich, and lowering them, and keeping them low has not worked.)
8) Are always fighting for less regulation, when it was the lack of regulation that allowed wall street to bankrupt the nation (an practically the world)
9) made their only goal of existence 1)make ozero a one term president, by not allowing anything that would improve the economy in fear Ozero might take credit, and 2)protect the interest of the corp’s and upper 1% at the expense to the middle and lower class.
etc etc…
The “Sexist Pig in chief” I can totally jump on board with
invalidresponse 10.07.11 at 8:31 pm
note to self.. when numbering points in a comment… be careful when typing #8 because 8 ) comes out 8) which has a totally different meaning
Zee 10.07.11 at 8:59 pm
lol, invalid…I will never understand those random faces when you’re not trying for them.
I totally feel you…I specifically chose “botched” and should’ve chosen recovery to match with it. I did not mean he wrecked it. He botched the recovery.
I chose botched instead of wrecked but it was still not clear because I failed to specify recovery.
We’re in agreement, and I regret the unclear communication.
DancesWithPumas 10.07.11 at 11:18 pm
Note: Some of the above points were presented when Obama had a Democratic majority. The Dems rejected some of obama’s agenda. Obama presented them again to the Rep majority knowing they were already dead on arrival so that he could blame the Republicans.
True, BushInc screwed the economy and Obama lied, cheated, bought and bribed his way to the Bush “inheritance”, and, Obama’s policies have botched and prolonged things further.
Obama’s a corporatist. Let’s not forget obama’s relationship to wall street, big pharm, banking, BP. His offering up Social Security during the debt talks (Debt Man Talking) which would be a boon to wall street, nor that he never pressed for the public option in his healthcare bill, all the while pretending it was still in play when it wasn’t, nor tarp, nor his shoveling shit ready stimulus package. Obama = Republican, lite or otherwise.
I chose “otherwise”, but, I’ll be damned if I’m going to enumerate the obama mega failures, especially on this blog, of all blogs.
Over and out.
invalidresponse 10.08.11 at 12:04 am
That, or… Grover Norquist has actually had his master plan come to fruition.
“In 2003, Norquist was bragging about creating a permanent Republican majority in America, and when someone suggested there might be a Democrat in the White House again someday, Norquist made this promise:
“We’ll make it impossible for him to govern like a Democrat.”
“Norquist and friends did their best with Clinton; they’ve succeeded with Obama, with terrible consequences for the country.”
Delle 10.08.11 at 6:53 am
Another Friday night e-mail dump and obama sinks deeper into the scandal:
http://www.businessinsider.com/solyndra-email-dump-implicates-obama-rahm-emanuel-treasury-illegal-bankruptcy-fundraiser-2011-10
Resign now dirtbag! And take all of your filth with you!
yttik 10.08.11 at 10:51 am
“Domestic Abuse Solutions R Us: Blade ‘n Blender.”
LOL, works for me. If they’re going to stop enforcing DV laws, the least they can do is give women who fight back, full amnesty. They should announce that, “due to budget cuts, we will be unable to prosecute women who take the law into their own hands.”
Headclunker 10.08.11 at 11:06 am
Delle #17
The article you referenced says billion while I believe it is only million, so about half a billion would be about right. Taxpayer debt for green energy. Just one more big F for Obama. Maybe he should be renamed Fobama.
I looked at what was going on in this country to support solar energy in this country and decided I could do better with a lab in my kitchen doing work out in my backyard. Well, I set it up and I am doing better than Solyndra. As this is a rainy weekend, I am upgrading some of my software, waiting on supplies for experiments for next weekend and doing the laundry, housework and childcare.
BO stinks.
HP Boston 10.08.11 at 12:54 pm
Yup BO stinks, we should send the dirty, rotten, stinker a case of Right Guard!
HP Boston 10.08.11 at 1:14 pm
President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf!
I must say I love her beautiful, intelligent face, now that is what a powerful women looks like. I love her words.
theamericanway 10.08.11 at 2:27 pm
#19: decided I could do better with a lab in my kitchen doing work out in my backyard. Well, I set it up and I am doing better than Solyndra. As this is a rainy weekend, I am upgrading some of my software, waiting on supplies for experiments for next weekend and doing the laundry, housework and childcare.
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Imagine a man figuring out how to do all that from home while integrating it with normal household activity. I suppose there are a few of that species who might survive the regimine, but most of what we see in DC is pitiful by comparison.
DancesWithPumas 10.08.11 at 3:13 pm
IR
There is no defense for Obama. Nice try.
freddiebrown 10.08.11 at 4:32 pm
# 23 from Dances – as Zee puts it… “what Dances said”
I ditto it. No defense or excuse for Obama.
Delle 10.08.11 at 4:48 pm
#23 & #24
I ditto it too.
No defense for obama and no rationalization!
HP Boston 10.08.11 at 4:54 pm
He is an all around shitbum no getting around it!
stoney42 10.08.11 at 6:23 pm
My take on obama is that he is using the “Divide and Conquer” strategy. It seems to be working.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule
invalidresponse 10.08.11 at 6:38 pm
#24 lol, Dances,
My statement were never a “try” at a defense, rationalization, or excuse for ozero. I can’t stand the guy. That said, I also refuse to lulled into a false sense of security to believe that he is the be all and end all of everything that is wrong in this country. Ozero is a weak empty suit, he never actually takes a strong position on any issue, he allows things to happen to him, instead of actually leading on any issue. Knowing that fact, and looking at the direction in which this country is headed, makes one look to whom is actually driving the country. Who is actually steering this country? Who is controlling the conversation? Who is threatening all the programs that secure the middle class, and help the lower class, while protecting the top 1% and the corporations? When creation of jobs should have been the top conversation, who was actually able to switch the conversation to cutting the nation debt, without including getting out of two unfunded wars? Who has totally dug their heals in when it comes to improving the economy in fear that the empty suit might take credit?
No, it was no defense, in my opinion he is not only not a star player, he is and has been sitting on the bench, while all the others are on the field. Problem is… the 99% of this country is on the loosing end of the game.
I believe it is easy, lazy, and perhaps a bit naive to complain about the dirty windows while the house burns down. I know that just hating him, and blaming everything on him, and fighting him is the popular thing to do. I just think the problem is just so much bigger than that.
DancesWithPumas 10.08.11 at 6:47 pm
Of course it’s bigger than that. And all the blame does not fall on either major party. There’s only one party now, all of it is dazzle dazzle them with their favorite bs.
Corporate America runs this country and the US Military protects them and their interests. Nothing more. Nothing less. Dems and GOP are both at fault, both parties are gaming us and, the house always wins.
Delle 10.09.11 at 5:17 am
By now I shouldn’t be surprised to see how low barry can go with his antics – but somehow I am.
Now he is trying a new way to raise money – comparing donations and shaming his supporters.
This is so sleazy!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046999/President-Barack-Obama-shaming-supporters-donations-comparing-neighbours-give.html
“He gave me more than you did” (hand on hip; bottom lip pouting) might have worked for me when I was 5 or 6 years old. In an adult, I find this to be very childish and immature.
But then, I guess nobody ever accused obama of being an adult, did they?
turndownobama 10.09.11 at 6:02 am
Here are some charts on who owns what…
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph
…referencing good sources, which are all clickable at the site (Congressional Budget Office, US Census, etc).
DancesWithPumas 10.09.11 at 11:15 am
Delle,
Obama is desperate. He will try to raise money/get elected by any means possible, legal or otherwise. This guy has and always has been one pathetic creature.
Headclunker 10.09.11 at 11:18 am
Delle #30
That is not just sleazy, it is deceitful. Contributions under $200 are not required reporting to the FEC. So, he can claim whatever he wants about his number of donors and does not need to show records. Doodad Pro is going to be busy donating $3.00, 66 times.
Most candidates do not itemize those donors. During the 2008 election, 1/3 of BO’s “donations” came from Unitemized Donors. http://www.MUR6142.com
freddiebrown 10.09.11 at 5:53 pm
Just sharing: Oprah Magazine, November issue, Page 83 now at news stands.
Whoooo Hooo !!!!!
If you’re just standing at a checkout stand somewhere and see this issue, flip to page 83 and know that you know this certain Puma in San Diego whose company designed it. It is a version of the old British school girl satchel that is very very popular now – we’re sold out until November ! Finally, seeing it in print allowed me to say Whoo Hooo.. We’ve been in InStyle magazine several times before but Oprah Magazine has not worked out until now so we’re celebrating with OJ and home grown passion fruit juice. So lame.
stoney42 10.09.11 at 6:53 pm
Great news freddiebrown. I’ll be sure to look for it.
HP Boston 10.09.11 at 10:08 pm
Great Freddie, congratulations!!
Delle 10.10.11 at 10:10 am
That’s wonderful Freddiebrown! Congratulations!
I’m going to look for it too.
HP Boston 10.10.11 at 10:37 am
http://thedailypatdown.com/
“I’m sorry this happened to you???” WTF
Zee 10.10.11 at 2:11 pm
omg, freddiebrown, I very nearly picked up a copy of that magazine!! (Magazines are an expense I’ve cut out, but still occasionally waver on!)
***Congrats**** I will at the least flip to page 83…! Great to hear such good news.
Zee 10.10.11 at 2:13 pm
I’ve still been making drops to Occupy Boston and just have not had much time to post, but here is a story PUMAs will want to follow.
Didn’t Iran want to be on the UN council for women or some such sh!t?
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-actress-sentenced-one-jail-report-191536998.html
They are sentencing an Iranian actress to 90 lashes…!!! For acting in a film on women’s rights!
There are more stories on this than this link, but it was the first one I saw the other day.
DancesWithPumas 10.10.11 at 5:25 pm
Zee
Occupiers in Boston are calling for water.
DancesWithPumas 10.10.11 at 5:29 pm
Someone please effin shoot me! I’ve been RVing and surfing the net on my phone. When I ran out of new posts on my favorite blogs I headed over to H44. Great post by HIs44, but I made the mistake, again, of reading the comments. Ugh. ugh. ugh. Racists and reactionaries deprive me of the pleasure of reading the commenters I really like… shadowfax, and a couple of others whose names escape me at the moment, but are sane. I gotta break my bad habit of reading comments over there.
HP Boston 10.10.11 at 6:02 pm
“What must happen is the removal of Barack Obama and his corrupt party from the political life of the country and a resurrection of the Democratic Party of FDR and Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama is the problem. When Occupy Wall Street moves to remove the occupant of the White House, give us a call.” H44/HIs44
By golly now ain’t that the truth!
DancesWithPumas 10.10.11 at 6:27 pm
43
HP Boston 10.10.11 at 6:02 pm [edit]
“What must happen is the removal of Barack Obama and his corrupt party from the political life of the country and a resurrection of the Democratic Party of FDR and Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama is the problem. When Occupy Wall Street moves to remove the occupant of the White House, give us a call.” H44/HIs44
By golly now ain’t that the truth!
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Yes!
Headclunker 10.10.11 at 9:14 pm
I do not know what to make of the Occupy stuff. On one hand, there is something to be said for jobless, homeless people to refuse to disappear. And they really do not need to have any other plan.
On the other hand, the stuff I read they are proposing as “demands” do not sound real functional. In fact, alot sounds like Obozo hopey feeley crap. Like, the skies will open up… I would be worried they are someone’s tool.
And has anyone asked about reform of the corporate tax laws?
Headclunker 10.10.11 at 9:21 pm
Someone recommended khanacademy.org to me, in particular, there is a very informative explanation of our current economic difficulties there.
http://www.khanacademy.org/#current-economics
Zee 10.10.11 at 11:14 pm
headclunker, there is a difference in their resolutions and in their actions. They are making no “demands.” They’re forging their idea of an ideal society. Why not? They are there 24/7 and have to spend the time discussing something…and so they discuss. Their marches and protests still focus on the economic. They also are bombarded by kooks who try to “resolve” that 9/11 was an inside job and the buildings weren’t hit by planes. By nuts who “resolve” that we should not have fluoride in the water and that we are ruled by illuminati and aliens. This is true of every protest I’ve been to….the ones again Bush, for and against Obama, etc. The 9/11 nutters show up, so do the La Rouchies, who tailor their message to be anti-Gore, anti-Cheney, anti-Obama….whatever is the flavor of the day. You can’t get rid of them, they’re like the common cold virus.
Don’t fall for the hype. The media is making them a football. One side says they side with terrorists, the other says they are in “support” of Obama. Um, no. They’re their own thing…and it’s up to all of us to define the 99% and make the media explain why the 1% get away with the criminal manipulation of defrauding of the national and global economies.
Zee 10.10.11 at 11:22 pm
Dances…I’ve taken them water, and also cases of other drinks, and also all those large plastic dispensers with spigots on the bottom, from which they could distribute more water (easily obtainable from across the street at the train station). They’ve mentioned they could use more plastic bottles (I’m guessing to refilll w/water) so maybe I will get them a pallet of small bottled waters instead of those large ones. I was looking for the link to their list of needs today and got sidetracked…I’m sure they’re depleted after today’s march, and I’ll head over there tomorrow!
DancesWithPumas 10.11.11 at 12:04 am
Reposting a note by John Smart:
Note: I wrote this as a comment on my blog. I got wound up. Went all Zooey Glass before I was done. I thought some of you might appreciate it. Forgive the wild typing…
We can all do something…write the DNC, post on a blog that gets a steady audience. whatever. one of the things i learned in 2008 is to detach emotionally when possible from political outcomes. Not possible for me a lot. (see weekend posts) but who cares if my letters and or posts have no affect on Obama. I know I participated in some small way. I know it is the right thing to do. I hedge all the time with “could be wrong about this but…”
I’ve not hedged on Obama since spring mid 2008. I hoped i was wrong but never felt i was. I know exactly who he is. and have since the first night i did a little research. He’s a fraud in all ways. He – the real person- barely exists at all. He’s conjured. Top to bottom. left to right. inside outside. about the only things honest about him emotionally are his smoking, ( That’s something real people do. it’s, at least, a little signal that he’s real. a person real enough to have bad habits.) his golfing,which is all he really ever wants to do, and as far as i can tell from way out here his NPD ends with his daughters. which probably means he’s not a complete NPD case. Though who knows? I want to believe he’s a good dad. So i do. If he’s present enough to tend to his kids we might get thru this term, or, God forbid, a 2nd. All the rest is bullshit. and i mean all of it. He doesn’t give a shit about any of it. he doesn’t have any internal values based on class position like Bubba and the middle class or GHW Bush and the rich. I’d even guess from my immodest layman’s perch that if the crowds are not big enough come 2012 or the protesters become a regular feature, he’ll become disinterested in even campaigning. I wonder sometimes if Jarrett and Michelle are the only things keeping him in the game now. He wants to do what he wants to do. All. The. Time.
Wait until the nasty inner circle memoirs come out in a few years to see if I’m right. (I am. We are.)
I’m really glad I didn’t shove my gut aside about barry in 2008 and suck it up as a Dem (at the time) and get behind him. We’ve ALL been vindicated 1000 times over. It’s not the greatest thing ever, it’s not curing cancer…. but I’m fucking proud of it…of us. whether or not any one of those who trashed us can ever admit it…we know. We kept our wits and our souls. I am cocky about this. I think it’s a PRO on the ledger of my life. of all of our lives. Not nearly as important as “did he love?” or “did he help others at least some of the time?” But did we use our – yes, God given – intelligence to point out a big problem arising in our much loved country going against the herd as we did it? Yes. Yes, we did. That’s pretty damn good. Our hands our clean. Enjoy your clean hands, damnit!
Same rules apply for this time. The man needs to step aside for everyone’s good. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it on some level. It isn’t even about Clinton in the end, another 4 years of Obama will be all but intolerable for us as a nation. His show does not change. I know I don’t have any real say on this point. but screw it, we all ought to say it anyway. Beyond everything- birthers, treason, scandals, true lefty, angry righty, commie, sexist, wall street stooge, or just spoiled imbecile whatever your beef we can all come together on this point: If he does an LBJ and walks away EVERYONE will be better off. The man needs to do the right thing and drop out. After he’s gone we can all decamp to our respective tribes and duke it out.”
turndownobama 10.11.11 at 1:27 am
About OWS’s demands.
Someone at Crawdad (where I seem to be banned???) thinks this article from OWS is official for the group. It isn’t — it’s just one article among many in their forum.
http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/
“PROPOSED LIST OF DEMANDS (please help edit/add so this can be submitted for consideration to those maintaining the official list) (User Submitted)”
It does have a good list, most of which are things we’d like also. Examples:
CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 (”RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT” THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT.
REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION
dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher…back to what they once were in the 50’s and 60’s.
LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS
“Revolving Door Legislation”
ELIMINATE “PERSONHOOD” LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS.
In the comments, the few mentions of Obama are derogatory, or at best neutral or sarcastic. Here’s a neutral comment with perspective on the movement:
Obama, show us you are the candidate that we thought we were voted for. OWC slogan is “We are the 99%”. This movement could be a revolution if it had a leader, but is currently being hijacked by the media (kind of like what happened to the Tea Party). Many in the Media are either extreme left or extreme right, and between the “let’s find the most extreme left or right people we can find to interview for the ratings” or “We are major corporation afraid of losing massive influence on our government”, the voice is getting lost.
I believe that this movement is not a Left or a Right issue (unlike what the media is painting). But this movement is about what our founding fathers meant for our country. For We the People to have the same voice in our government as our corporate masters. The feeling on the street is that the rich, aka the board of major corporations, make the rules due to their massive lobbying and campaign contributions & that all politicians “including you” are bought and paid for.
Want to assure your reelection and also be the President who gave the country back to the people? Then step up and show us you have some guts. Address the Nation and call on the left & right to get behind a bill to change our Constitution eliminating money (lobbying & campaign contributions) and go 100% public financed elections so we can get paid for politicians out.
turndownobama 10.11.11 at 1:40 am
Interesting analysis:
http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/parsing-the-data-and-ideology-of-the-we-are-99-tumblr/
Zee 10.11.11 at 4:57 am
turndownobama, you are right.
Here in Boston, the conservative Boston Herald has been giving very favorable and fair coverage of the Occupy movement….but larger forces are trying to limit the appeal of this uprising.
There are always going to be idealogical and personality clashes, but this is more important than any of that. These kids are our representatives on the front line.
I just got back from Boston an hour and a half ago. They put out a call that police in riot gear were cracking down on them in the dead of night. I raced (within the speed limit!) down there with my camera…but of course it was pitch dark and my camera is not some professional high end equipment.
I am irate. The “problem” was the movement was growing. 10,000 marched today. The number of campers was growing as well. They spilled into the next greenway with the permission of the conservatory of the park!!!
So then. What is the excuse of the massive police force to remove the expansion from private property? We are talking helicopters, riot police, cordons of vans, motorcycles, K9 units, streets blocked off for blocks!
They had permission!
There is no conclusion but that they are cracking down to limit the growth of the movement, and its legitimacy!
Zee 10.11.11 at 5:20 am
Let me clarify. I was in equal parts proud and horrified by these kids…well, more proud. My point is, there are factions that wither the heart…but that does not override the fact that these people are on the front lines standing up for us. I would not and could not do what they are doing. I am comfortably back home, on a chez next to a smiling dachshund wrapped in a blankie next to me. I can sip on and snack on what I want. These kids are in tents with food scrounged from a Trader Joe’s dumpster. (That is, till I take them better stuff tomorrow!!) So, I was horrified to hear Libertarians haranguing the others that there is no other way but theirs. I would argue with them, reason with them, but I would still feed them. I was even more appalled when driving the kid assigned to come with me to pick up the scrounged food from Trader Joes. This is a young man with a one year old child! His prospects and his mindset, as a parent, would leave one slack-jawed and weak in every joint. Not his heart, not his dedication, but his ….accepted lifestyle? Thinking? Not sure. He kept bragging about his non-materialism. How he even did not have a pillow…and I kept countering, but your baby? And he kept assuring me his child had more than he by far. And I kept thinking how much more that baby would need as time goes by.
Feedback, please. How far are we astray? Some parents today….this is a trend… are holding parties for kindergarten kids that rival 5 figure wedding parties….and others have no bedding! Our gut reaction is to take those kids away. But this is a dedicated dad. I just watched an award winning documentary called Harlan County about the coal miners strike in the 70s. Toothless moms were bathing their babies in hand tubs and talking about running hot water once daddy won the strike. We are blaming the wrong people.
I stand by the kids. I stand by the protesters. They are Occupying for us. They are being cracked down on. We need to back them. More ideas, please.
Delle 10.11.11 at 10:36 am
Oh No! This rumor is back again. Actually, it never went away.
The Allure of an Obama-Hillary ticket:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/washington/8087427-452/the-allure-of-an-obama-hillary-ticket.html
The idea holds no allure for me. Absolutely none!
Don’t do it Hillary!
turndownobama 10.11.11 at 1:17 pm
Most of my post at turndownobama 10.11.11 at 1:27 am was quoted from the OWS forum website. Sorry I didn’t format it right.
I do agree with most of it, though!
Zee 10.11.11 at 2:09 pm
delle….oh, no. NOPE, no way! That would not get my vote. Unless it was Barky who stepped down!
Ah, I see, turndownobama!
stoney42 10.11.11 at 6:40 pm
I vote NO on OWS. When they march on the White House, I might be more sympathic.
HP Boston 10.11.11 at 6:59 pm
I am for any voice raised against this insidous corporate geed!! I am for any brave being risking life and limb at the mercy of blood thristy police.
stoney42 10.11.11 at 7:49 pm
Freddiebrown –
I saw your hand bag in O magazine today. Nice! I hope the exposure brings you lots and lots of sales.
Headclunker 10.11.11 at 9:49 pm
I hear BO’s Jobs Bill is DOA. Like his leadership.
When are they going to kick that puke to the curb?
Where is Hillary?
Zee 10.11.11 at 10:12 pm
They’re in DC, too, Stoney, and getting pepper sprayed. Don’t believe the news reports…or lack thereof! Even when they can’t hide the news they alter it. eg, AP said “more than 50 protesters” were arrested in Boston, which became the headline “50 protesters arrested in Boston.”
129 were arrested, but they keep minimizing the numbers, as always. Veterans were thrown to the ground and flags trampled, and the “park” they were “protecting” is now occupied by k9 units, so what’s the reason again?
In DC, they downplayed the number of people pepper sprayed, and most of the reports have yet to correct that it was a provocateur who stormed a museum, instead of the protesters (the agent was an editor at Spectator magazine, who then bragged about his role).
I’ve seen false reports from both left and right, so do not believe that these kids are supporting Obama…they are not. Many of them never did. I don’t really hold with third parties, which some of the kids have turned to, but look how far astray both main parties have wandered from their purported values!
I’m with HP! We have to back these kids — they are taking a stand. I’ve heard from grandmothers who support the kids, military who support them, people in finance, people who work for the state. I’m still cooking for them and will take them any supplies I can scrounge up. When the cold weather comes, I will do what I can to show them they have more than “fair weather” friends.
The media does nothing but keep the citizens uninformed and uninvolved… the city sends a small ARMY out to defend a tiny spit of sod (are grass blades now citizens, too??) —-meanwhile, not one bankster or Wall St defrauder has even been indicted, let alone sent to jail? It’s. not. true. that the current crisis was caused by people buying more house than they could afford. It’s that the sub-prime loans were rebundled fraudulently for over 10 times their value! Where are the indictments?
And when the foreclosures started the banksters were rubberstamping them even tho they no longer owned the notes! No, it doesn’t stop there. When homeowners tried to renegotiate their loans they were instructed to default in order to qualify…and when they followed those instructions, their homes were taken! There’s even more…it goes lower still. We should all be picketing these banksters’ private homes. And haranguing our media outlets and our representatives.
Look at the banksters, look at our corrupt leadership…and ask who is a better representative of America….them or the kids?
Zee 10.11.11 at 10:13 pm
btw, the street cops (as opposed to the riot police) are out there peacefully with the kids 24/7. Patient and exhausted, and afraid to speak up even tho they are being kept on insanely long shifts! We asked them if they didn’t have a union, but they said, yes, but there are clauses that allow the powers that be to “override” their working terms. The regular cops are just struggling to keep their jobs like the 99 % of us.
DancesWithPumas 10.11.11 at 10:13 pm
Have you been dow to Zuccoti Park? The patriarchy is alive and well!
turndownobama 10.11.11 at 10:55 pm
http://www.wakeupmississippi.org/
Referendum on giving all fertilized eggs full ‘personhood’ status. Coming in other states too.
invalidresponse 10.12.11 at 1:46 am
#64
That’s right, it not only makes all abortions illegal, but because of the way the pill works, it also makes the pill (the most common form of birth control) illegal as well.
Welcome to the government control of the uterus.
Republican SMALL GOVERNMENT MY ASS!!
Delle 10.12.11 at 5:56 am
Two friends of mine went downtown the other day, intending to visit the demonstrators at Zucotti. They got within a few blocks, but the stench was overwhelming and they could not proceed. I was told that they could smell the foul air as soon as they got out of the subway.
You won’t see this on TV, but the reporters who were hanging around were holding handkerchiefs to their noses.
The woman who runs the Urban Infidel blog took a trip down there on October 9th. She had been there in the beginning and wanted to see how the demonstration was progressing. You will not like her comments since she is obviously not very fond of the occupiers, but these pictures are real:
http://urbaninfidel.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-revisited-zucotti.html#links
I guess I’m not going to be able to go there anytime soon. It looks to me like a health hazard.
HP Boston 10.12.11 at 9:21 am
Go Delle please GO…I want YOU to tell me, a report from your eyes and nose will convince me! Shame on NY if they are trying to stink the American protesters out. I supose they are not worthy and must be considered garbage. NY or any other place treats the crazies that disrupt funerals of fallen soldoers so much better. Smell my rage!
HP Boston 10.12.11 at 9:25 am
I repeat with less typos!
NY or any many other places treat the crazies that disrupt funerals of fallen soldiers so much better. Smell my rage!
HP Boston 10.12.11 at 9:31 am
Okay I am to PO to type…..may as wel live in the fucking middle east!
theamericanway 10.12.11 at 1:08 pm
How sweet it is to see an organization in addition to PUMAPAC looking back to the suspicious election behaviors of 2008:
Ex-Indiana Democratic Governor: Not My Signature On Obama Petition
Former Indiana Democratic Gov. Joe Kernan says a signature on a petition to place Barack Obama’s name on the state’s 2008 primary ballot isn’t his, putting him among at least dozens of dubious signatures found in a newspaper’s investigation.
Kernan tells the South Bend Tribune (slash bit.ly/noEWg8 ) that he didn’t sign the Obama petition that was submitted in St. Joseph County and that neither the signature nor printing of his name look like his writing.
The newspaper reports that it has talked with more than 40 people who say they didn’t sign petitions for Obama or Hillary Clinton despite their names being on the documents. State Republican Party chairman is calling for a federal investigation into the matter. Indiana Democrats say a bipartisan office approved the petitions but back an investigation.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/12/indiana-gop-calls-for-federal-probe-into-dubious-2008-obama-petition/
No doubt Hillary needed to be included in order for this article to be approved by the WH media police.
DancesWithPumas 10.12.11 at 2:08 pm
theamericanway 10.12.11 at 1:08 pm
How sweet it is to see an organization in addition to PUMAPAC looking back to the suspicious election behaviors of 2008:
Ex-Indiana Democratic Governor: Not My Signature On Obama Petition
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Thanks for the info!
I hope all the investigations of 2008, Indiana and the caucus frauds for example, reach credible conclusions and get broad media play. I also hope this doesn’t become yet another partisan play a la: hold what we know until we get closer to the next election.
turndownobama 10.12.11 at 4:21 pm
it not only makes all abortions illegal, but because of the way the pill works, it also makes the pill (the most common form of birth control) illegal as well.
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Some anti-contraceptive people claim that. But aiui “The Pill” prevents any egg even being produced. So there’s nothing there TO fertilize.
turndownobama 10.12.11 at 4:23 pm
Yes, if there’s a bad smell in NY it’s probably the police or the GOP producing it to chase out the OWS, or keep people from going to their park and seeing for themselves.
Funny half the rightwingers are saying these are all trust fund elite babies with expensive cell phones — and the other half are calling them dirty bums.
DancesWithPumas 10.12.11 at 7:21 pm
Gimme a freakin break! Odors should be the last complaint re #OWS when people participating in Arab Spring lost their lives for their cause.
freddiebrown 10.12.11 at 8:34 pm
We are in downtown Atlanta today on foot looking for a restaurant when we could see in at the end of the cross street, a park with lots of tents pitched. At first I thought it was Atlanta’s progressive way of putting up the homeless. After all, there is no more panhandling downtown but these parking meter type of thing where you can feed in your spare change for the homeless. This is to discourage people from giving to panhandlers. There was one at the front of the Westin where we stay but never once have I seen anyone use it. Anyway, I thought that it was not possible that it was a park for the homeless because the tents look very high tech (like a typical North Face or REI type with multi layer/color). On the way back , I walked over and saw that there were cardboard signs propped against the tents .. On asking some folks walking by, they confirmed that it was the Wall Street protesters..There doesnt seem to be much bystander interest/gawkers (like me). I wonder why these folks don’t go home at the end of the day, to come back tomorrow ?
DancesWithPumas 10.12.11 at 9:26 pm
Women never fare well in an occupation … OWS is no exception.
by Gina Quattrochi on Wednesday, 12 October 2011
I’ve been to OWS four times in the last week. What I have observed and heard about womens’ roles and status in the encampment is horrifying and raises deep, disturbing questions about the state of the progressive movement and it’s understanding of the very power analysis it uses to create its strategy and the social determinants that heighten womens’ vulnerability to poverty, poor health outcomes, sexual violence, homelessness, etc.
Visualize this: hundreds of primarily white men, many leftover from 60′s revolutionary groups like Worker’s World, pontificating about their “revolutionary” ideas and a so- called “new society” they envision — all of this within and surrounding an encampment where the media center responsible for live streaming of all related OWS events is “manned” by 12-15 men (I only saw one women), where the cigarette smoke (seems like Phillip Morris is off the hook) is thick, the spaces crowded and young women are interdispersed on old mattresses, sleeping bags, tarps etc. among young men, old men, middle aged men, revolutionary men, progressive ment, mostly male cops (and some women too), vendors (mostly male), reporters (both genders) and then imagine the male controlled “front line” on Broadway where people (almost all men all the time) hold up issue and “protest signs” to passerbys and the press — now add to that a lack of womens’ input, particulary young women, into the “general assembly” where male voices drown out women’s 5 to 1 and perhaps the most horrifying — imagine these young women reduced by the environment and politic and sleep deprived subjected to sexual harrassement and even sexual assault (there has already been one arrest) by men including men who pass as activists.
What I am describing is OWS at Zuccoti Park – it’s there, it’s happening and some of us have been witness to it. As I went around yesterday distributing condoms to young women, who are at particular risk for HIV and Hep C infection in such chaotic, oppressive enviroments, I was overwhelmed with despair and anger. How could we, who survived the various male dominated social movements of the 60′s and 70′s fail our young sisters? How could we allow our young women to be so oppressed, so disempowered, to have their voices silenced, to be subject to neglect regarding their safety in an environment that professes to create change, in a movement that professes to advocate for social justice?
How can we women activists allow our concerns to be silenced by the same old devisive arguments from men (and some other women) who don’t want us “dividing” the movement at such a critical time — how can we allow our concerns about the silencing of women’s voices in Zuccotti Park be answered with rationalizations such as “Well Amy Goodman spoke at our rally”? WTF? Have we, the feminists of the 60′s and 70′s, many of us who found our power after we shed the fear of criticism and attempts to discredit us, we who excell, who run things, who raise daughters, sons, grandchildren, neices and nephews to respect themselves and each, who fight for the homeless, for the disabled, for the incarcerated, for those living with HIV/AIDS, for syringe exchange, for global healthcare, for social justice and community empowerment, how can we allow this to happen? How can we afford to not challenge OWS, the blueprint of successful social justice campaigns, on its internal gender oppression, on its failure to give women power in all aspects of its operations?
Perhaps if we could confront the leaders, we could fight this and create change … for the women in Zuccoti Park, for the women in every “Occupy” that will happen anywhere in the US in the future. But wait there are no leaders of “leaderless” OWS. Perhaps that is part of the design. Non-accountability, which is often part of ” leaderless” systems, always provides opportunities for bad and shoddy politics. We learned that in the 60′s and 70′s. We shouldn’t forget it now.
Women never fare well in occupations …. the current OWS is no exception.
If the young “non-leaders” of OWS want the rest of us to have faith and engage in their movement, they have to do a lot better. And they have to do it soon. If not, they are not the ones who we have been waiting for.
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Gina is a lawyer and a woman who has been on the frontlines for the past 30 years.
Delle 10.13.11 at 4:32 am
HP #67
Go Delle please GO…I want YOU to tell me, a report from your eyes and nose will convince me!
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I think I would like to pick up my camera and travel downtown to Zucotti Park to see the place myself. But I have to admit that I’m too nervous.
Those friends I mentioned won’t come with me. They won’t go anywhere near that area again. So, I can’t find anyone willing to accompany me. And I’d be much too uncomfortable going there by myself. I will ask around and see if I can find someone. Not tomorrow though.
The imams of the local mosque have released an open invitation to all muslims to come to Wall Street and join them in Friday prayers. So from 1:00 to 3:00 tomorrow afternoon the streets will be taken over by hundreds of barefooted men with their asses up in the air praying, chanting or whatever they do. I don’t know how they will effect the occupation, but I will be home on Long Island watching the news from afar.
If I can find someone who is willing to go with me one day next week, I will let you know.
HP Boston 10.13.11 at 5:41 am
Oh shit Delle….Islam sucks! Stay home the stench may be much to heavy with all those assholes in the street.
HP Boston 10.13.11 at 5:54 am
Remember Dell the news, all the news, is only what they want you to know. Some of it is lies, out right distortion and a slanted pov.
Delle 10.13.11 at 6:36 am
I know that HP. #79
I don’t believe anything I see or hear from the media anymore. That’s why I really would like to spend some time at Zucotti Park and see for myself what is going on. As I said above – maybe next week.
BTW sorry if I sound so cowardly, but I just don’t want to go down there by myself. I am no longer young and I’ve had very little experience with these type of demonstrations. The park just doesn’t seem the place right now for an old(er) woman to be roaming around alone with a camera.
Delle 10.13.11 at 6:39 am
Well, well – Mayor Bloomberg visited the site and apparently the smell got to him too.
He has announced that tomorrow will be clean-up day:
http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/148853/mayor-plans-to-clean-up–occupy-wall-street–site-on-friday
I’m interested to see how this will go.
HP Boston 10.13.11 at 6:59 am
#80
Delle no worries, I was not faulting you at all, I am in the same boat. I too am to old to go alone to a camp full of protester. Stay safe.
Delle 10.13.11 at 7:07 am
#82
Thanks HP.
Old Age Sucks!
wontbackdown 10.13.11 at 9:27 am
Saw this at UW.
I recommended this here at Pumapac when the bailouts were happening.
I did it back then and never looked back. If only a ‘Hit Them Where It Hurts’ movement back then …?
The collective money of Commoners ads up to a lot of bargaining power – or we can keep letting them break us down – with lots of little sticks – like fees that ad up to billions for them and chip away at the commoners’ non-disposable incomes.
wontbackdown 10.13.11 at 9:34 am
‘A “Class War” only occurs when the “Powerless Class” revolts’
wontbackdown 10.13.11 at 10:00 am
Ahhh, “suddenly” the racist, sexist, voter intimidation advocate and OBAMA-CLONE AG responds:
Yawn. Obama’s haul from “Wall Street”?
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/#ixzz1afr7Hzeg
Dragonfly 10.13.11 at 1:03 pm
Hello, PUMAs!!
Saw a frightening and funny clip from the BBC in which a trader said “Governments don’t rule the world, Goldman Sachs does.” He said he dreams of another recession (well, it’s still in recession, but that is what he said) because there is always money to made. He then tried to appear helpful by saying anyone could make money off a recession if he or she “protected assets.” What if you don’t have assets? Can you still make money? Prob’ly not.
I have some friends who are involved in the Occupy movement here locally. I was talking to a friend of mine about it, and her criticism was as follows (she would probably agree with you too Dances): “You do know that one of the primary organizers behind all this is SEIU? (You may recall I warned you about this last May but then they rescheduled for Sept). The same people who fixed the Nevada Caucus so Hillary lost. Also George Soros is funding much of it (thus why when the Occupiers marched to the side of NY where all the rich folk live, they walked right past his home without a word and moved on to other people’s homes to protest.)” Has anyone else heard of this?
My favorite astrologer has his report on Occupy etc here:
http://globalastrologyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/cardinal-crisis-mundane-economic.html
The BBC clip is in that link if anyone wants to hear it from the trader’s mouth.
ROAR On, PUMAs. Love the bank idea. I have my money in a locally owned bank. Next step is to move my mortgage from BoA, which bought my mortgage from FHA.
Dragonfly 10.13.11 at 1:10 pm
I should be clear – my money meaning my paycheck that I spend as soon as I get it and $265 in “savings.” I have a car paid for that is nearing 200,000 miles and is diagnosed with a timing chain problem that will cost $1500 to fix. I have a house with no equity. I do have some nice artwork though!
Delle 10.13.11 at 1:26 pm
Soros is behind it alright. That’s really not a surprise:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/13/us-wallstreet-protests-origins-idUSTRE79C1YN20111013
BTW Soros has 3 residences in NYC where the protesters could have stopped – a brownstone, a luxury apartment on 5th and a hotel suite. They didn’t stop at any.
turndownobama 10.13.11 at 1:27 pm
Riverdaughter and friends have been visiting OWS in NY and a neighboring city, spending hours, marching with them, etc.
She’s giving a lot of details at http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/glenn-becks-head-on-a-pike/
and at previous entries. Pictures of the real crowd (not the ones wearing Uncle Sam costumes, er, dreadlocks).
Oh, and about the “acres of trash” that are supposedly accumulating in Zuccotti park? Well, I was there last week during their third week of occupation and the only thing that I smelled were the street vendors peddling falafel and halal kebabs. The park was spotless and the garbage cans were empty, not overflowing.
Zee 10.13.11 at 2:36 pm
This airs on TV next Monday….thought PUMAs would be interested, especially in light of the cutback to domestic violence calls by police!
It’s a documentary 10 years in the making of a group that started in prison for women convicted of murdering their abusers. h/t New Agenda…don’t even know what made me click on them today!
http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/sin-by-silence/
Zee 10.13.11 at 2:47 pm
Delle…Occupy wall St was started by Adbusters, not Soros. Whenever I see ANYONE drag out the tribal left or right boogiemen my eyes glaze over…I don’t even keep track of whether Soros or Koch Brothers or any of those other familiar names are the left or right tribal boogiemen. Put down the boring tribal rattles. You’re the patsy if you get sidetracked by Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Michael Moore, or any of the personalities those on the left or right love to hate. It’s no better than those reality shows, where people know every detail of some glamorous family or some family with umpteen kids. This is how they keep people from focusing on the issues.
Adbusters is the group that started “Buy Nothing Day” —held every year on Black Friday (the Friday after thanksgiving, traditionally the biggest buying day of the year). Maybe you’ve never heard of Buy Nothing Day, but it’s something long known about and promoted in the arts and media community.
Now, which is more likely…that these idealistic kids would be moved by some boogieman who secretly paid them, or by an exciting savvy anti-establishment media group who have invented holiday protests they already are familiar with?
Zee 10.13.11 at 2:53 pm
I’ve heard all the claims that “Michael Moore” and “Move-on” etc etc are the “secret” organizers behind OWS. I didn’t listen to all the claims of who was “really” behind the Tea Party, either. Of course if people start something successful powerful people and groups will come in and try to co-opt them.
Believe it, if Michael Moore had been “behind” OWS, he wouldn’t have been quiet or coy about it. He’d be bragging and claiming it. Of course he’d show up, why not?
Heck, I caught the ubiquitous LaRouche nuts trying to influence Occupy Boston… so far the kids seem pretty resistant to being usurped. Let’s hope they continue that way.
Zee 10.13.11 at 3:10 pm
Delle and dances…
Occupy Boston is calling for locks now, to protect things being stolen from tents. I’m not surprised Occupy Wall St is a dangerous place for women…the men in NYC are much more aggressive. So far, Occupy Boston seems more egalitarian. I’ve also noted more AA’s involved than I’ve noted in other rallies and protests, here in Boston.
As far as the smell, I’ve only gotten out of my car twice and visited the camp (I’m usually just dropping off supplies), and I have not noted any bad smells, but they do have homeless amongst them. I mean long-term homeless. One of the kids wryly mentioned to me there is an occasional urination problem from them. And the reporter from the Boston Herald who spent one mostly sleepless night there (brava for real journalism!) had one throw up near her tent….so these are not conditions I would be able to stomach.
Occupy Hotel W would be my idea of a takeover!
However, Occupation Boston is small. They’ve long had a clean-up crew and have kept the place clean. OWS is planning their own major clean up and will resist being cleared out tomorrow. Then they plan to take their brooms down to Wall St to “clean up Wall St”—so it will be interesting to see how it plays out tomorrow. I hope they hold their ground!
Zee 10.13.11 at 3:15 pm
freddiebrown, I didn’t know that about Atlanta! I kind of like the idea of the city collecting spare change for the homeless…but I hope that’s in addition to the services they have in place for them, not a replacement for cutbacks!
I think Occupy Atlanta only has a 5 day permit, so it will be interesting to see how that camp fares, as well. Some people do only join the camp during the day. Some spend say 3 days out of the week there. At least from what I’ve learned here in Boston.
I can’t justify joining them for any length of time. I have enough to do here! I just take them what food and supplies I can spare, and support them that way. But I might join in on one of the marches, we’ll see.
Zee 10.13.11 at 3:24 pm
One more thing….some unions joined the kids. They are not “behind” the uprising. In fact, on Occupy Boston right now some of them are bickering that they don’t want the unions to join….but the consensus is, if you show up you represent the 99%.
Regarding unions, there is a remarkable, prize-winning documentary called “Harlan County” made in the 70′s by a woman film-maker. It’s been showing on TV. If you can manage to watch it, I highly recommend it. It’s about the struggles of the Kentucky coal miners, striking to get a better union deal. A lot of women were involved in the effort.
Delle 10.13.11 at 4:06 pm
Zee #92
Adbusters is the group that started “Buy Nothing Day” held every year on Black Friday (the Friday after thanksgiving, traditionally the biggest buying day of the year). Maybe you’ve never heard of Buy Nothing Day, but it’s something long known about and promoted in the arts and media community.
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It’s true that I have never heard of ‘Buy Nothing Day’, but I never shop on Black Friday anyway. The stores are mobbed!
Do you know that in NYC the people begin lining up outside Macy’s at 4:00 in the morning? I know there are shop-a-holics, but that’s ridiculous. The other major stores in the city and on Long Island are crowded too. I hate being trapped inside a mob and being pushed around, so I just stay home that day.
And all these years I’ve been taking part in ‘Buy Nothing Day’ without even being aware of it.
Zee 10.13.11 at 4:18 pm
lol, Delle…those Adbusters just appeal to certain people who already thought that way.
They don’t really DO anything. In fact, I’m not sure if it’s still true, but I read they never even went to OWS. They’re just the inspiration.
Here’s one for TT. I don’t know why I find this picture so funny:
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/293392_178049258945132_100002201768465_388064_1621653622_n.jpg
stoney42 10.13.11 at 6:55 pm
http://www.politico.com/politicoprimary/
Hillary Wins Politico Primary.
Delle 10.13.11 at 8:17 pm
I knew the city was going to clean Zuccotti Park tomorrow, but now it looks like they are going to try to close down the protest. This is unexpected. The plans were to clean one area then the next and so on. Now the demonstrators will not be allowed to bring their tents and sleeping bags back into the park.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/mayor-michael-bloomberg-says-zuccotti-park-will-be-cleaned-up-friday/
“They might as well have just said ‘You’re done,’” one protester told CBS 2 s Ann Mercogliano.“ This is an eviction notice,” said another.
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Zee 10.13.11 at 9:48 pm
thanks, stoney….damn, Hillary looks great. Maybe she needs the rest but I don’t want to wait till 2016!!!! she needs to run now!!!
Delle….I will be there when they try to shut Boston down….I considered going down to NYC to stand with them tomorrow. But. Just don’t have the same stamina I used to have. :/
I’ve been thinking of starting an Occupy Quincy. With a twist. Woman run….or decidedly egalitarian. And more historical….this is a historic city. There is a statue of Abigail Adams in a plaza opposite the T. I think the grounds belong to the city, but it’s hard to tell. There is a church there. Presidents Church. Adams is in a crypt there. They’ve been involved in protests before. Maybe making it a day camp, instead of this overnight camping. What do people think?
Zee 10.13.11 at 9:49 pm
HP….they convicted that second brute in CT.
DancesWithPumas 10.13.11 at 10:18 pm
ZEE
Go for it!!
Day encampments might bring more people out!
Delle 10.14.11 at 6:25 am
Breaking – The cleanup has been postponed!
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WALL_STREET_PROTEST?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE
HP Boston 10.14.11 at 7:37 am
#102
Yes they convicted, now his sentence should be swift and hanging is to good for him!!!
HP Boston 10.14.11 at 7:40 am
#101
Zee, yes all women , yes yes yes…..
Needs signs saying 52% of the population are mighty pissed off!!! Get the law out of my Uterus!!!!
Delle 10.14.11 at 8:56 am
Violence Breaks Out in NYC:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/14/violence-breaks-out-during-occupy-wall-street-march-on-wall-street/
Delle 10.14.11 at 10:07 am
Police tear down tents in Denver:
http://www.kdvr.com/news/politics/kdvr-occupy-denver-protests-put-hickenlooper-hancock-in-a-quandry-20111012,0,1965021.story
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