Let me count the ways . . .

by murphy on September 19, 2011

in The War on Women

This article in the Atlantic, “The Most Racist Thing That Ever Happened to Me,” is generating a lot of interest around the internets. The story Jesse Jackson relates to the author about being denied entry and borrowing privileges from a PUBLIC library is heartbreaking. Over at Crawdad, miq’s response points out two very important facts: personal histories about blatant racism in the USA are almost all 40-50 years old; and for the black women interviewed, SEXISM seems at least as likely as racism to be the cause of the discrimination they faced, especially Dr. Lubiano, a very smart high school student who was advised by her guidance counselor to go to secretarial school instead of college.

Sound familiar? Actually Dr. Lubiano’s story sounded REALLY REALLY familiar. It sounds exactly like every story I have ever heard from every single woman I know, no matter how old or young, rich or poor, fat or skinny, lesbian or straight,  black white yellow or red. For women over 60, the stories usually focus on denial of education and careers as well as the burden of too many darn children. For those in the 45-60 year range the sexism stories are about being assumed too ignorant, weak, stupid to succeed, about being burdened with full time jobs and full time parenting. And the young women talk about math teachers who describe smart boys as “brilliant” and smart girls as “pluggers;” about elementary school teachers who accept unruly behavior from boys as “natural” but call in the school psychologist if any girl gets a little too exuberant.

And the stories every woman can tell about her own mother and grandmothers are usually even more horrible and heartfelt.

Not to even mention the endless, continuous, major and minor sexual assault. Gropes, whistles, slaps, rapes, punches, kicks, choke-holds;  everything from some creep flashing a girl on the subway to kidnappings that end in rape, torture, mutilation and death.

So, what’s the most sexist thing that ever happened to you? Or even, what’s the MOST RECENT sexist thing that’s happened to you?

Oh, and Mad Men is apparently the best fuckin television show ever invented anywhere for all time again. Nah, no sexism to see here, move along.

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murphy 09.19.11 at 8:03 am

the most recent thing I can think of is a conversation about politics and the economy at a social event a couple weeks ago where the Dude mansplained the 2008 election to me as if I had never heard of it.

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theamericanway 09.19.11 at 9:18 am

The father-daughter lecture my father bestowed upon me as I prepared to enter Junior High School. In order to keep me from becoming pregnant, I would no longer be allowed to attend boy-girl events.

In order to ‘make up’ for the devastation of ‘the rule’, my mother purchased 3 new dresses, 3 pair of socks, and maybe some undergarments; these items augmented the bulk of my wardrobe which consisted of hand-me-down clothes of a neighbor’s daughter.

Brother was 4 years younger. He was allowed to all social activities and his clothes came from a store.

By the time I was I senior in H.S. I decided to disobey my father. Began attending Friday night canteens with most of the other kids in town. Met a guy who thought the sun rose and set by me. He was wonderful.

Father told me he was not good enough. Instructed me to ditch him. Once again I obeyed. Biggest mistake of my life.

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murphy 09.19.11 at 9:34 am

:-(

You probably know this but facebook is a great way to reconnect with old friends theamericanway.

I posted this at a local sbux. The young man taking my order always calls me “Miss.” I’m old enough to be your mother sonny boy! Call me ma’am not miss! I claim this is (probably unconscious) sexism– the young women who take my orders never ever
ever call me Miss. They don’t belittle women.

Just the other night the waiter at a restaurant put the bill in front of my husband. I buy almost 100% of the restaurant meals with money I earned.

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murphy 09.19.11 at 9:56 am

Good topic for today I guess.

Tucker Carlson repeats mike tyson’s sexist verbal assault against Sarah Palin

http://crayfisher.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/sick-and-disgusting/

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murphy 09.19.11 at 10:00 am

Vague essences of invisible “potential” racism are trending, meanwhile the friggin Frat House, I mean White House, maintains a level of outright hostility to women that meets the legal threshold for actionable sexual harassment.

How 2008 it all feels:

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2011/09/18/toldja/

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theamericanway 09.19.11 at 10:14 am

Tnx murphy. If that comment is detrimental to this post, take it out.

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murphy 09.19.11 at 10:23 am

Huh? That comment is heartbreaking theamericanway — thank you.

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honora 09.19.11 at 11:02 am

When I was a young associate in the DC branch of a large law firm, all the members of our office would travel to the firm’s main office for the monthly firm dinner. The dinner was always held at a men’s club in the big dining room. The dining room was decorated with murals of naked women that covered all the walls. After dinner, the waiters would come around with wooden boxes with cigars. This being the 1985ish, some women actually felt that they needed to smoke cigars with the men in order to be ‘liberated’.

The club had overnight accommodations and we had to stay there overnight. While we allowed in the dining room for the firm dinner, we were not allowed to have breakfast in the dining room the next morning. (I think we could have had breakfast delivered to our rooms, but I just found a coffee shop.)

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murphy 09.19.11 at 11:08 am

Holy smokes honora! I expected your story to be about the 1960s— 1985?!?

What the hell.

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honora 09.19.11 at 11:14 am

There were three female lawyers in the office (including one partner) and while we all hated going every month, we did not feel like we could challenge it without being branded as troublemakers.

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Delle 09.19.11 at 11:21 am

Steve Chapman of the Chicago Tribune thinks that barry should withdraw.

Guess who he thinks should replace him?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/ct-oped-0918-chapman-20110918,0,5039308.story

FTA -
“The ideal candidate would be a figure of stature and ability who can’t be blamed for the economy. That person should not be a member of Congress, ……..As it happens, there is someone at hand who fits this description: Hillary Clinton. Her husband presided over a boom, she’s been busy deposing dictators instead of destroying jobs, and she’s never been accused of being a pushover”.

One by one they are jumping on the Hillary bandwagon!

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Delle 09.19.11 at 11:30 am

JAKARTA (Reuters) – Scores of women and children wearing colorful miniskirts and tight leggings gathered in central Jakarta on Sunday, outraged by a public official’s comments that provocatively dressed women are to blame for sexual assaults.
The protest was in response to remarks by the Indonesian capital city’s governor Fauzi Bowo, who said on Friday that women must not wear revealing clothes to avoid being raped or victimized.

http://news.yahoo.com/dont-blame-us-rape-miniskirted-jakarta-women-114027825.html

These women are brave!

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goofsmom 09.19.11 at 12:20 pm

Delle,

You beat me to it. I just came in to post that article. Did my heart good to see it. :)

(((Murphy)))

Great thread. Sadly the 1950′s are not gone from the American male mind. Why else would shows like Mad Men be “the best evah” These male idiots long for the 1950′s to return and women to get back in their place. @ssholes!!!

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HP Boston 09.19.11 at 12:30 pm

OMG..Let me count the ways!
A lifetime, I have never felt safe nor free in this man frigging world.

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DancesWithPumas 09.19.11 at 1:00 pm

Let’s see…
I sleep relatively lightly just in case some some mutant male i sthinking abouyt breaking it / visiting my bed; and because the walls enclose the electrical and plumbing components and I’m almost positive that those enrgies tamper with our bio-systems, not to mention all the manufactured unnatural stuff that goes into building, insulating, and painting a home, nor the fact that zero has been considered in terms of the directional situation of homes. No consideration to the directions, seasons, or Earth’s meridians.

The alarm goes off and invariably there’s a thick skulled male yapping about something or other and saying nothing.

I need the alarm to wake me because we allow the natural rhythm of day and night, light and dark, the seasons, to dictate our days; including, and maybe most especially the spring ahead fall back crap.

I open my eyes and find my self in a space of right angles. Rooms, hallways, and furniture, right angles. (Where is Bucky Fuller when you need him?)

I’m not even out of bed yet and I’ve already been assaulted by unbearable blightness of teh male.

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HP Boston 09.19.11 at 1:31 pm

Hey Dances with oreos (cookies) who the fuck is Bucky Fuller?
Oh has some one tampered with your enrgies ?

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Delle 09.19.11 at 1:35 pm

Drudge has this story in a bright red bold headline:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/19/liberals-vow-challenge-obama-democratic-primaries/

Wow!

It looks like the obama machine is falling apart.

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crazy horse 09.19.11 at 1:38 pm

My own sister has double standards and it drives me crazy. If a woman has more than one or two drinks she’s very critical, while her own son and husband get drunk and make fools of themselves. She also expects the “womenfolk” to get up and help in the kitchen while the men sit around. GRRRRRR,it drives me nuts!

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DancesWithPumas 09.19.11 at 4:22 pm

HP Boston 09.19.11 at 1:31 pm
Hey Dances with oreos (cookies) who the fuck is Bucky Fuller?
———————
Buckminster Fuller, invented the geodesic dome. Basically a half dome structure constructed with triangular elements. Equilaterally triangular because that is structurally the strongest configuration.

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Headclunker 09.19.11 at 6:46 pm

Counting will not work. My years on this earth come to almost 20,000 days and hardly a day goes by…

Starting with my parents. Continuing with my teachers and on to my professors. I was 15 years old when my high school chemistry teacher explained to me that I was gifted. It had just not occurred to me before then. God bless Mary Wall. I think she saved my life.

My boyfriends, my ex-husband, my employers and my co-workers…

And the sexism in not just from men.

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bellecat 09.19.11 at 7:40 pm

#19 Dances:
BRAVA!
Are you an architect or engineer? Or just a very well round kind of woman that smokes?

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freddiebrown 09.19.11 at 7:57 pm

Every day in every way…
Let me tell you this story. Just last week on 9/11 I was flying back home on an International Flight – paying from my own pocket, a gazillion $ to be in Business class because Damn it, I earned it ! So we were taking off and everyone dutifully turned off their cell phones… except for this one guy across the aisle to me. He was busy emailing and the plane was already on take off. I debated, and debated and finally I leaned over and said “Hey.. aren’t you supposed to turn off your phone?” I thought he was going to cuss me out. OK, so I am still an outsider BECAUSE mind you, only a SMALL % of women are in business class in most of my experience (domestic or international) so we are a minority. He looked taken aback and he powered off and he said, Thank you , Thank you for telling me to do that. I said, OK, no problem. It being 9/11 and 10 years to the original 9/11, I didn’t want anything to happen on my flight again. Long story short he was extremely surprised and shocked but appreciative that I told him that. I found out that he is a Chevron Exec. coming from Indonesia and going back to HQ. There you have it. Mr. money bags executive who has never had a little woman put him in his place. We spent a good 15 minutes with him gushing about how great it is that I had stepped out and told him to shut that thing off and of course he tried to chat up but hey, I wanted business class so I could sleep not get chatted up. Another thing he said that showed it is a mans world, he explained that he just got word that his 22 year old son who just graduated from Houston, just got a $92,000 a year job from his company, Chevron. He is so proud, soooo proud. A 22 year old grad ? And gas is still over $4 in Coronado where we were last night. Anyone surprised ?
One thing I learned here, and that is, we have to woman up to the men.

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murphy 09.19.11 at 8:08 pm

Love that story Freddiebrown.

Another one I thought of just now as I was cleaning out the Spam filter. The friggin ONSLAUGHT of websites advertising “free teen blowjobs” and all sorts of despicably twisted sex abuse and torture. It’s friggin assaultive.

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DancesWithPumas 09.19.11 at 8:19 pm

bellecat
“well rounded” is a laugh riot in the context of my comment. ;-p

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invalidresponse 09.19.11 at 8:32 pm

DADT (Don’t ask, don’t tell) dies at 12:01 tonight….

One more step in the right correct direction.

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DancesWithPumas 09.19.11 at 8:37 pm

In kindagarten I loved playing (by MYSELF) with this little woooden tool bench. It had a wooden hammer, screwdriver, and wrench, with wooden nails, screws, and nuts and bolts that you used the tools to insert into the bench.
I played with this thing every day for the first week and a half of school until one day, as I was playing, the teacher came over, took the toy, grabbed my hand and walked me over to the miniature kitchen. There was a boy already at the kitchen table, pretend reading a pretend newspaper, he was the husband / father. There was a girl who was waiting on him hand and foot as she prepared his coffee and breakfast and served it to him. She was the wife/mother. I was the late comer so I became the designated kid. He was very demanding and she treated him like a prince and it made my stomach turn. She was an okay kid and he was a icky kid. Yet she was subservient to him!
I’ll tell you, I had never seen this kind of domesticity except on tv, and I sat there at their table shocked by the interaction. Really, she was being a Stepford wife, and he was just a bland jerk.

My parents always shared most of the domestic chores and parenting in our household. Both cooked, individually, and bother were mechanically inclined, and both read …a lot, difference was Dad loved reading history, science and technical books while my Mother read from the best sellers list and romance novels.
My father, a machinist at the time, was a quiet kind of guy. My mother was the socializer… life of the party type. Anyhoo…

I remember sitting at that fake family table thinking “that is NOT ME! NEVER EVER!” Sooner than later I became truant… and finally was allowed to dropped out of kindergarten. That spared me one year of sexism and gender role modeling.

Apologies for the length of this to anyone who reached the bottom here. I haven’t thought about that in 55+ years. lol

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DancesWithPumas 09.20.11 at 9:14 am

Beginning yet another day with…

Peter Daou included in “100 WOMEN Bloggers You Should Be Reading”. What part of “women” doesnt ignitesocialmedia get? I didnt click the link.
Peter Daou is relatively good but HE is not a WOMAN, lackwits.
When was the last time you saw a woman included in a “100 _____ Men” list? NEVER.

Even Kristof didn’t give Nancy Drew her own listing but included it as an after thought in the Hardy Boys listing in his 100 Best Adolescent Books.
If the people with a wide audience don’t get it, me thinks they should either ask someone who actually does, or they should just sit down and STFU until they do. At least they won’t be perpetuating sexist bullshit.

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admin 09.20.11 at 12:55 pm

Sad little stories posted,

take it upstairs!

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Dragonfly 09.21.11 at 5:55 am

Just wanted to add a story about sexism -

During this year 2011, more than once when I have said where I work, it is never assumed I am a lawyer. I am regularly asked if I am a secretary or paralegal and not every time is lawyer even one of the possiblities noted in the question.

Honora, I remember when I was working for a judge I asked her, do you think pants suits will stay in style for women lawyers? She probably established them as the style in Alabama. There were stories I heard from law professors in the 90s about how a woman should not appear in court in a pants suit because your judge might not take your seriously or think you came to court with proper decorum – skirts and dresses were it. When I was in my first federal trial, I started out wearing my suits with skirts, but it was a ten day trial and I did not have enough clothes to avoid wearing a pants suit. The day after I wore my first pants suit to court, two women in the jury wore pants suits.

About four years ago or so, I was literally berated by a male lawyer for taking a legitimate position and arguing it in court. It began in the elevator and continued as we left the courthouse. He was sexist and abusive. Finally I told him he was being inappropriate and unprofessional and walked off. I felt sorry for his wife! Lawyers at my firm made excuses for him – apparently that is his personality but I highly doubt he behaves the same with men. Interestingly, when a male partner at my firm who knew my opposing counsel talked to the man, suddenly this sexist lawyer was nice to me.

It goes on and on. . . .

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Dragonfly 09.21.11 at 6:03 am

I should clarify – I was told by a few women lawyers who taught at my law school not to wear pants suits because male judges would object. And my first trial was before a male judge, who treated me fairly.

one of my law school professors was so tuned in to sexism and brilliant at revealing the subtlest forms of it that she had strict rules on what could be said by the male students who dared to take her class Women and the Law. Except for a few gems, including a man in my class, most men who took the class were there to challenge the feminist critique of the law (which critique was spot on).

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admin 09.21.11 at 7:28 am

sad little man posted,

take it upstairs!

(hi dragonfly!)

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admin 09.21.11 at 7:29 am

wait, how did that happen? Dragonfly, will u repost your stories upstairs??

thx!

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