Open Thread

by murphy on November 27, 2010

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1 TexasTigress 11.27.10 at 8:14 pm: Justin Bieber .

Just sayin ….
2 invalidresponse 11.27.10 at 8:22 pm: giggle, giggle
3 DancesWithPumas 11.27.10 at 8:48 pm: TT
That’s Kustin Lieber,if you don’t mind!
4 invalidresponse 11.27.10 at 8:54 pm: the development of a new language..
Kust Lecause she likes it that way…
5 DancesWithPumas 11.27.10 at 11:38 pm: “Borrowed this from Dakinikat in comments at SkyDancing:
(Warning: Language)

“(Was looking for George Carlin’s “worker bee” rant. so far, no luck. but here’s his “American dream” from 2008{?):”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY4WlxO6i0&NR=1

(It, should, imo, be entitled “the Global peon dream”…it’s the same everywhere.)”

Hope everyone is keeping up with Dakini’s posts.
http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/saturday-night-turkey-suprise-treats/#comment-7710
6 DancesWithPumas 11.27.10 at 11:52 pm: while you’re at Sky Dancing, check out “Saturday Reads”…
I think it’s the 8th item down:
Snippet:
George Washington University law professor Jeffrey Rosen has an article in the Washington Post in which he argues that the TSA’s naked body scans and “enhanced pat down” searches are unconstitutional. Interestingly, he cites a 2006 decision by then circuit court judge Samuel Alito:

read more here: http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/saturday-reads-5/
7 wontbackdown 11.28.10 at 1:22 am: Invalid:

I left you a “thank you” note downstairs.
8 Notyoursweetie 11.28.10 at 7:35 am: The civil war is finally over and only Donna Brazile can be happy with the news. Sorta
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/the-morning-sneeze-ds-finally-lose-the-civil-war/
9 Notyoursweetie 11.28.10 at 8:27 am: Sunday tabloids are here: Brave FBI saved Christmas from the danger it cooked
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/tabloids-fbi-saves-cristmas-from-its-own-plot/
10 Notyoursweetie 11.28.10 at 10:19 am: A little Schadenfreude for ya: remember MoveOn?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/moveon-has-had-it-with-obama-its-love-videos-for-him/
11 Headclunker 11.28.10 at 10:28 am: I see the posts out on the Christmas Plot and agitators right behind it. Why are we playing these games with the Muslim culture/religion? We need to throw the gauntlet down on the whole Muslim world to manage their radical factions. Any Muslim that wants to deny that their religion spawned the 9-11 and other attacks, is in denial about their entire life. We do not have to get down to their level about it, it is time for some tough love.

The choice we are given is to either travel at higher risk to our safety, violate search and seizure rights, or violate civil rights by profiling based on nationality and religion.`They can develop reasonable risk protocols but not without including nationality and religion as well as whether you are willing to be radiated or groped. And gender would also be a factor. Risk management is about reasonable risk, not zero risk.

The problem is that our choice has been taken from us.

Suppose you had a choice about the security level of your flight, but had to qualify yourself?

If we do not find a fair, reasonable way to do this, the terrorists win.
12 HP Boston 11.28.10 at 10:58 am: If we do not find a fair, reasonable way to do this, the terrorists win.

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GIRLCOTT!!! Call the airlines and tell them you are not schlepping to an airport near you.
13 DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 1:31 pm: while you’re at Sky Dancing, check out “Saturday Reads”…
I think it’s the 8th item down:
Snippet:
George Washington University law professor Jeffrey Rosen has an article in the Washington Post in which he argues that the TSA’s naked body scans and “enhanced pat down” searches are unconstitutional. Interestingly, he cites a 2006 decision by then circuit court judge Samuel Alito:

read more here: http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/saturday-reads-5/

Class action suit. What the TSA is doing is unconstitutional.
14 wontbackdown 11.28.10 at 2:42 pm: Dances:

Right now, there is a case involving ATT awaiting the Supreme Court that puts the impact of “Class Action” suits at the center of ATT’s cause.

Although it does not directly challenge “all” class action suits – Legal Scholars say it the “BIG ONE” on citizen’s rights to bring Class Action suits – because of their potential adverse financial impact on businesses.

“The Game Changer” – on citizens being capable of holding a company accountable for its practices that have adverse impact on the people they employ or serve – is what one scholar called it.

Walmart is also appealing to the Supreme Court – asking fro that very ruling – in its defense agains the Class Action Discrimination suit on Unequal Pay/Promotion – which could involved millions of women and cost Walmart billions – if it is allowed to proceed like the lower courts have have ruled – in favor of the complainants – which is why Walmart has appealed to the SC – “The Adverse Financial Impact of the Class Action” if they lose the case.

Walmart has fought this case for 9 years, I think ($$$$) – rather than settling it long ago and making changes to their employment practices moving forward, as a part of the settlement agreement.
15 wontbackdown 11.28.10 at 2:52 pm: Links to above:

Class-Action Bans in the Supreme Court: Respondents’ Brief in AT&T v. Concepcion

by Deepak Gupta | September 29, 2010

http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/09/class-action-bans-in-the-supreme-court-respondents-brief-in-att-v-concepcion.html

Suit against Walmart hinges on court
The Supreme Court will soon decide if it will let a class-action suit proceed against the retail giant.

By DAVID G. SAVAGE Tribune Washington Bureau

http://www.pressherald.com/news/nationworld/suit-against-walmart-hinges-on-court_2010-11-28.html
16 Headclunker 11.28.10 at 3:20 pm: Fox News is airing their series on Conservatism. Geeze, these people are creepy. George Wallace, Ronald Regan, the obfuscation of the ERA. And these people think they are achieving, what?
17 goofsmom 11.28.10 at 3:38 pm: Dances and won’tbackdown,

#14 and 15 – I find it outrageous that we might lose the right to sue corporations for discrimination, price fixing and gouging etc. because it might hurt them financially. The SC would be rewarding them for their unjust and unfair practices if they say we can’t sue them for our protections.

I just can’t wrap my head around this at all. So then we have not right to file class actions because it might hurt the corporations. Is this then just another version of too big to fail?
18 DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 3:38 pm: Headclunker 11.28.10 at 10:28 am

I see the posts out on the Christmas Plot and agitators right behind it. Why are we playing these games with the Muslim culture/religion? We need to throw the gauntlet down on the whole Muslim world to manage their radical factions. Any Muslim that wants to deny that their religion spawned the 9-11 and other attacks, is in denial about their entire life. We do not have to get down to their level about it, it is time for some tough love.
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While you’re at it, get rid of the Christian and Jewish culture/religion too. I bet more than half of the strife of the planet would disappear along with it.
19 DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 3:45 pm: We need to throw the gauntlet down on the whole Muslim world to manage their radical factions
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They are managing their radical factions.
20 goofsmom 11.28.10 at 3:45 pm: Headclunker,

#16 – Yes, they are very creepy. They need to understand that they have awoken the sleep giant, the independent voter. These voters are not into conservatism or liberalism. They are into the economy and personal rights.

So all these newly elected politicians need to watch their backs. If they didn’t get the message in Nov they will. We voted you in and we damn well can vote you out again!

Fix the economy or face your own one term. The more people that disinvest from the political parties will wake up these career pols to the fact that they can’t count on us. We are not party players and will vote for who and what is good for us.
21 wontbackdown 11.28.10 at 4:23 pm: goofsmom 11.28.10 at 3:38 pm:

“Is this then just another version of too big to fail?”

Something on that order – Globalization “equalization” means working at the privilege of the corporatist powers that be – who decide which “rights” are right for them – and in line with a global workforce and economy – not you.
22 wontbackdown 11.28.10 at 4:46 pm: Goofsmom – Also, imo:

Whether the TSA or the Supreme Court – it appears the trend is to mold America into a much more “manageable” society. Intimidation and suppression of individual rights to fairness, equality and reasonable respect for all “civil” rights – without “exceptions” being made – through the courts is a great “equalizer” between those in power and those who would or could collectively rebel, with a sizable impact.
23 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 5:29 pm: wontbackdown 11.28.10 at 1:22 am
Invalid:
I left you a “thank you” note downstairs.
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I have left you a question in reference to that “thank you” as well.
24 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 5:45 pm: fairness, equality and reasonable respect for all “civil” rights – without “exceptions” IS individual rights

It is only when exceptions are made to any of those rights that the masses become more controllable.
25 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 5:58 pm: DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 3:38 pm
I have a problem with the “get rid of” part, but am in full support on, if the “gauntlet” is going to be tossed in direction, it be fairly applied to all directions. Not exactly sure what “throw the gauntlet down” would really mean though, and how it could be applied constitutionally with out violating freedom of religion. But I would love to hear the argument.
26 Headclunker 11.28.10 at 7:50 pm: I totally agree with the need for a separation between church and state and that the deterioration of this is a big problem. However, the Muslim issues are more than that.

There is apparently a war going on that our leaders just do not want to deal with. Here is an interesting summary of a few years ago:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/islams_global_war_against_chri.html

By “throwing down the gauntlet” I mean that Muslims and their organizations should be held responsible. This is a religion that has declared war. Why are they not getting the same treatment as any other nation or group that has done so? Including restricted travel and immigration and heightened security. Groping and radiating everybody is uncalled for. All the Oblabla administration is doing is shutting down the airline industry.

If there are “peaceful” muslims, not aligned with “radical” muslims, they need to separate and distinguish themselves with more than just talk. Otherwise they are part of the problem.
27 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 8:03 pm: Headclunker 11.28.10 at 7:50 pm
You could replace Muslim with Christian and your statement and it would be just as true. But of course, no one would dare make that statement about Christians. Freedom of religion either works for all or for none. If it is not for all and just for some, then the state has by definition established a religion, breaking the first amendment.
28 Headclunker 11.28.10 at 8:41 pm: Invalidresponse #27

Who has the Christian world declared war on?

When was the last time a bunch of Christians hijacked a plane? Even the most off the wall cults have not been doing anything to anyone but it’s own members.

It is not about the religion, it is about the war and hiding it behind religion.
29 DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 8:45 pm: invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 5:58 pm
DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 3:38 pm
I have a problem with the “get rid of” part, but am in full support on, if the “gauntlet” is going to be tossed in direction, it be fairly applied to all directions.
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invalid… agree. My “get rid of too” statement was based on lazy/sloppy reading and or memory.
30 DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 8:46 pm: Headclunker 11.28.10 at 8:41 pm
Invalidresponse #27
Who has the Christian world declared war on?
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Women and gays and lesbians.
Different means, same intent.
31 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 9:07 pm: This statement I will be happy to agree with:
“It is not about the religion, it is about the war and hiding it behind
religion”.

but this “Who has the Christian world declared war on?”…

If we are going to say that because the 911 terrorist were Muslims, and that constitutes Muslim’s declaring war.
George Bush and Dick Cheney (as well as most of Congress) are Christians well.. they declared war on Iraq.

You see how this propaganda crap works when tunnel vision is applied??
32 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 9:09 pm: ooops sorry #31 was in response to #28
33 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 9:12 pm: DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 8:46 pm

Now THAT is certainly a true statement, since it was American Christians that “kill the gays” bill in Uganda, can be traced back to.
34 Headclunker 11.28.10 at 9:51 pm: Invalidresponse #31

It goes beyond the 9-11 attack. There are open declarations and continued hostile actions and Jihad.

I cannot agree that the Bush Iraq war was a Christian initiative. It certainly was not done by any Christian Organization. It was a National initiative.

Anyway, is not about the religion, it is about the war and hiding behind religion. We need to decide if we are at war and with who. Muslims need to decide if they are at war and with who. They should not be able to be exempt from that as a religion. I say, tell them to come out from behind their turbans and fight like men. Kick out the radical freaks or be considered at war with America.

And I am not saying we should put all Muslims in camps, but I think that they need to be first in line for groping and radiating until the “war” is settled.

I heard the leader of the efforts to build the Muslim center near ground zero on TV the other night. He said that he felt like somebody had stolen his religion from him on 9-11. He thinks what he is doing is getting it back. I think he is in denial.

Call out Islam on their denial and irresponsibility about their problem.
35 DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 10:01 pm: 1939 Germany revisited.
Later.
36 DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 10:08 pm: And I am not saying we should put all Muslims in camps, but I think that they need to be first in line for groping and radiating until the “war” is settled.
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What war? The war on terrorism? That will never be settled.
We’ere not at wars with States, we’re at war with a noun.
37 Zee 11.28.10 at 10:39 pm: TT, regarding your response in the thread below…I think we’re on the same wavelength.

My point is the targeting of these lowly list-builders helps no one, because they are not in it for election fraud. They, however they deserve to be punished, are just schlubbs padding the list to get a few more bucks…and the names they pad on never, NEVER, make it to the actual voter rolls.

So, it benefits NO ONE by hyping this fake boogieman because, unlike the caucus fraud, it changes nothing and never even intends to.

Whether or not ACORN was involved with the caucus fraud, I have no idea, because no one, not even Fox, explains that one. The caucus fraud existed, it is documented, but it is lost under this bullshit bogus long-standing fake “election fraud” of putting “Mickey Mouse” on the “voter list” that everyone with any iota of common sense knows is a bunch of hooey.

Therefore, it is on a par with the actual fraud, and is also on a par with any malfeasance by the obots, because it distracts from and discredits the actual fraud.
38 Zee 11.28.10 at 10:41 pm: They’re targeting women who wear pads now.

Show uzzz your paperzzzz

has now become, strip off your padz and show uzzz your vulva…
39 DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 10:48 pm: So, it benefits NO ONE by hyping this fake boogieman because, unlike the caucus fraud, it changes nothing and never even intends to.
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No one is hyping anything…
I posted the simple piece because I thought it might bring some satisfaction to those who saw acorn for what it was, and because some punishment / karma was meted out.

If anyone is making it more than it is, I would say it is you since you keep bringing it up and harping on it.
40 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 10:56 pm: Headclunker 11.28.10 at 9:51 pm
I will give you that it is much easier to attack others unlike yourself, and fight this “us against them” war, but come on, what does it take to get you to look at the whole picture and see that most of what you rail against is propaganda. You are being lead by the nose to restrict the freedom of others so that your very own freedom can also be taken.

This freedom stuff is tough, if you refuse to acknowledge and defend the rights of those that say and believe things that you would spend your live fighting against, then freedom is dead.

It seems easy for you to say that Muslims are declaring war.. but you refuse to cast the exact same light on Christians. Using the exact same standards. Do you really believe that the Muslim religion is less diverse than the Christian religion… I find that kind of blindness and denial dangerous, to both to this country, and my freedom.

You certainly have the right to hold this hypocritical opinion, and to never look any farther into what actually holds our freedom intact. But please be aware, and forewarned ANY right, freedom, or liberty you choose to take away for anyone else, will eventually be taken from you.

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!” Benjamin Franklin

And THAT is the reason that the war on liberty, waged against us from our own government is the only true fight worth engaging in. Try stepping out of the tunnel vision, and take a look at the entire landscape.

(and just as a disclaimer.. I happen to be a Christian, but my eyes are certainly open wide enough to see that I am not the same as all other Christians. I perhaps am in a space where because I see this about my own religion, I can see this about the Muslim religion. And once you allow yourself to recognize this fact, the Muslim “war” argument no longer holds water.)
41 Headclunker 11.28.10 at 11:01 pm: Dances #36

Then why did a bunch of radical Muslims fly planes in to the Towers on 911? What do you think a jihad is?

Do you think Muslims should be exempt from airport groping and radiating because of their religion? Where do you come up with the Germany stuff? This is happening right now, today.

And don’t kid yourself about the radiation being harmless. People have different propensities for cancer and radiation exposures are cumulative. There is no way that they can know if they gave someone the dose that “broke the camels back” and gave them cancer. So it is just an issue of how much they are raising the cancer rate to do this.

The groping has mental and physical health issues, too.

No, Dances, who exactly is at war with us may be in question, but it is not a noun. A noun does not throw acid in your face or fly planes into buildings.

There is not another major religion that is so violent and aggressive to the level and degree that the Muslims are.

Since when did you become an advocate of Islam?
42 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 11:10 pm: :::Thud:::
43 Zee 11.28.10 at 11:11 pm: #39 Harping, huh?

If that’s what you call repeating that Fox News is the enemy since they themselves lay out false boogiemen of lowly employees who pad some list in order to make a few extra bucks then yeah…I will harp.

They, and any PUMA, who conflate a NONISSUE with the very real caucus fraud, so that it is discounted as more braindead hysteria, are equal to the obots who committed the causcus fraud, since it gives COVER to the real fraud.

Deal with it. I will. Every single time a PUMA, even you, brings up this moronic crap as “proof” that ACORN is part of some huge conspiracy, when in fact it is no proof at all, I will call you out.

Call it “harping” if you like…my…isn’t that a SEXIST term, like calling me a Harpie? hmmm??

lmfao!!!!!
44 Zee 11.28.10 at 11:14 pm: oh, and if those poor marginal employees…not even employees, probably just untrained contract workers… are punished severely for trying to pad their pitiful paycheck, no, I don’t call that karma in the slightest.
45 DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 11:16 pm: Then why did a bunch of radical Muslims fly planes in to the Towers on 911? What do you think a jihad is?
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I know what jihad is… both interpretations.
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Do you think Muslims should be exempt from airport groping and radiating because of their religion?
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nope, and I don’t believe I said that.
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Where do you come up with the Germany stuff? This is happening right now, today.
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History repeating itself… instill fear in people and they will go to any lengths to have their gov’ts protect them, including the innocent being treated like perpetrators.
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And don’t kid yourself about the radiation being harmless. People have different propensities for cancer and radiation exposures are cumulative. There is no way that they can know if they gave someone the dose that “broke the camels back” and gave them cancer. So it is just an issue of how much they are raising the cancer rate to do this.
The groping has mental and physical health issues, too.
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wtf? where did I mention anything about radiation scanning groping?? christ. get a grip.
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No, Dances, who exactly is at war with us may be in question, but it is not a noun. A noun does not throw acid in your face or fly planes into buildings.
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“War” come in many guises.
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There is not another major religion that is so violent and aggressive to the level and degree that the Muslims are.
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Not arguiing that point. I think all mainstream religions suck.
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Since when did you become an advocate of Islam?
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Fuck you.

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46 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 11:31 pm: Headclunker 11.28.10 at 11:01 pm
Since when did you become an advocate of Islam?
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so let me get this str8.. if she does not subscribe to your propaganda enthused rhetoric, she MUST be a communist… (oops Islamic) sympathizer … no you are right this looks NOTHING like 1939 Germany revisited. (insert eye roll here)
47 Zee 11.28.10 at 11:36 pm: invalid and headclunker…

this is an interesting question you all are arguing.

Back in the day…the Japanese Americans were rounded up into camps…horrific mistake.

People called them the “dirty Japs…” What’s interesting is that Germans were also the enemy. Harder to pick them out, but some people today still follow Germanic people with Nazi outlooks….keep tabs on them, that is. The people of Germany themselves have taken a pro-active stance to try to overcome this element in their population, but there are many ex-pat Germans still involved in skinhead movements, etc.

We should call people/s out, including our own…hello…our countrymen are arms dealers. Calling them out doesn’t equate to treating them unequally. I think we should all take our risks. Safety measures should not intrude on our persons. We should deal with actual terrorists, not potential ones. Innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our democracy. For a reason.
48 Headclunker 11.28.10 at 11:38 pm: Invalidresponse #40

I do not think we are talking the same language. A nation that is predominantly Christian does not necessarily represent Christianity. The church and state are supposed to be separate.

The problems with Islam is coming from their religious leaders, not a particular nation. When a religion advocates violence against others, I think their right to freedom of religion becomes questionable.

Freedom is not unconditional.
49 Zee 11.28.10 at 11:45 pm: The world has just gone crazy…Islamic women looking for a religious reason to be exempt from groping, while others in bulky clothing are targeted for extra probing. Women wearing pads targeted, too. All of this versus being exposed by machine…to radiation though the media is more focused on the nudity angle. And, apparently, none of this is keeping us any “safer.” Is it any wonder we’re all mired in the minutia? There are so many issues involved, it’s like the three blind men each one grasping the elephant’s trunk, leg and torso, all arguing what the beast is “like.”
50 Headclunker 11.28.10 at 11:49 pm: Invalidresponse #46

No, that is not what I said. I was just trying to understand DWP’s point. I recall postings on this blog to the effect that “Islam Sucks” and now it seems that they should be extended all rights to freedom of religion, no matter what the consequences are. I guess I am just confused.
51 invalidresponse 11.28.10 at 11:55 pm: Headclunker 11.28.10 at 11:38 pm
“supposed to be separate” but quite clearly are not. (but that is a different subject)

So which of “from their religious leaders” (not to be confused with radical faction leaders) advocates violence against others?

and if by chance you choose to add radical faction leaders in the mix anyway,(again using that same high powered flashlight)

Then we will have to talk about radical faction Christian leaders advocating for the death of doctors who preforming abortions??? Do you still believe that “When a religion advocates violence against others, I think their right to freedom of religion becomes questionable.”

see how this works??? apples/apples
52 DancesWithPumas 11.28.10 at 11:57 pm: Headclunker 11.28.10 at 11:49 pm
Invalidresponse #46
No, that is not what I said. I was just trying to understand DWP’s point
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Trying to understand my point of view includes addressing /countering things I did not say? Includes accusations of being an advocate of Islam??
My laundry’s done.
Goodnight Pumas.
53 invalidresponse 11.29.10 at 12:01 am: night Dances!!
54 wontbackdown 11.29.10 at 12:06 am: goats/sheep/pigs/geese
55 invalidresponse 11.29.10 at 12:15 am: WBD.. you have mail
56 wontbackdown 11.29.10 at 12:33 am: I’m exhausted and have to be up at 5. Tomorrow, IR.

“apples/apples” – “goats/sheep/pigs/geese” It was a joke, sort of.
57 invalidresponse 11.29.10 at 1:43 am: This Week In Holy Crimes Sunday,
Sunday, November 28, 2010
Over the last seven days…

Alabama: Pastor Carl Lloyd arrested for sodomizing a child.
New York: Rabbi Yehuda Kolko arrested for violating order of protection against 12 year-old boy he’s accused of molesting.
Japan: Buddhist priest Nobuaki Matsumoto busted for hiring middle-school age prostitute.
Florida: Pastor Daniel Richard Robida charged with unlawful sexual acts with a child.
Ireland: Father Raymond Brady charged with molesting ten boys.
Missouri: Pastor Travis Ray Smith on trial for felony statutory rape and child molestation.
Britain: Imam Hafiz Rahman found guilty of child molestation.
Wisconsin: Father Robert Chukwu agrees to repay half of $180K he’s accused of embezzling from his parish.
Virginia: Pastor Irwin Baldwin sentenced to 90 years in prison for soliciting sex from who he thought was a 13 year-old girl. Baldwin in 82.
Britain: Father David Pearce charged with sexual assault on a child. Pearce is already in prison for similar charges.
New Hampshire: Pastor Timothy Dillmuth found guilty of failing to report child molestation.
Alaska: Pastor Shawn Justice found guilty on eight felony counts of sexual abuse of a child.
Florida: Pastor Rodney McGill found guilty of swindling $40K in a church mortgage scam. McGill was found guilty of a similar crime last year.
Manitoba: Orthodox Archbishop Kenneth William Storheim charged with two counts of sexual assault on unnamed persons.
Indiana: Pastor Robert McFadden sentenced to four years in prison for sexual abuse of a 16 year-old girl.
Pennsylvania: Father Geraldo Pinero suspended after feds raid his rectory to break up his online Ponzi schemes.

This Week’s Winner
Texas: Father John M. Fiala has been charged with hiring a hit man to murder the 12 year-old boy who has accused the priest of raping him at gunpoint. Police say Fiala offered $5000 to an informant to murder the child. In a separate pending lawsuit the boy contends that Fiala’s diocese had attempted to cover up his accusations of molestation.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/
58 Delle 11.29.10 at 4:21 am: #47 Yes the internment of the Japanese was terrible. I think everyone agrees about that.
But please let us not keep ignoring the Germans who lived here during the war. They did not exactly have an easy time of it. They were also rounded up:
http://www.foitimes.com/
So, while we all feel sorry for the Japanese, let’s remember the Germans too and spread the sympathy around.
Thanks.
59 theamericanway 11.29.10 at 5:57 am: Headclunker: File20 is headed your way.
60 Notyoursweetie 11.29.10 at 8:07 am: It’s Monday. In today Morning Sneeze we find out what is Obama’s favorite book
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/the-morning-sneeze-obamas-favorite-book-his-diary/
61 Notyoursweetie 11.29.10 at 8:31 am: and Monday Tabloids are here
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/tabloids-wikileaks-dadt-deficit-histeria/
62 Notyoursweetie 11.29.10 at 10:07 am: and a second Morning Sneeze
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/second-morning-sneeze-proud-lies/
63 wontbackdown 11.29.10 at 11:30 am: !IMPORTANT!

Read at Uppity’s Place – The “Monsanto Bill” is up for Vote on the Senate Floor – today:

Shhh. Don’t look here. The Monsanto-Big Agra Let’s Kill Small Farmers Bill is before the Senate today.
Posted on November 29, 2010 by Uppity Woman

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/shhh-dont-look-here-the-monsanto-big-agra-lets-kill-small-farmers-bill-is-before-the-senate-today/
64 goofsmom 11.29.10 at 3:10 pm: Remember this from wontbackdown up thread? This latest news on Walmart should cause some outrage. They can buy other chains of stores but they won’t take care of their women employees!

H/T wontbackdown
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Suit against Walmart hinges on court
The Supreme Court will soon decide if it will let a class-action suit proceed against the retail giant.

By DAVID G. SAVAGE Tribune Washington Bureau

http://www.pressherald.com/news/nationworld/suit-against-walmart-hinges-on-court_2010-11-28.html
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Today’s article

Wal-Mart to pay $2.3 billlion for control of Massmart

JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) – Wal-Mart (WMT.N) is to pay $2.3 billion for control of Massmart (MSMJ.J), giving the world’s largest retailer a substantial presence in South Africa and paving the way for further expansion across the continent.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101129/bs_nm/us_walmart_massmart
65 goofsmom 11.29.10 at 6:11 pm: Update on Walmart –

“Separately, the Supreme Court took no action Monday in a closely watched Wal-Mart appeal arising from a job-discrimination class-action lawsuit brought on behalf of hundreds of thousands of female workers at the nation’s largest retailer.

Nine sets of business groups and big corporations, including the Chamber of Commerce, have urged the justices to hear Wal-Mart’s appeal. The pending question is not whether Wal-Mart wrongly paid and promoted men more than women, but whether the small group of women who began the case can represent a gigantic class of women.

The justices are scheduled to issue their next set of orders on pending appeals, such as Wal-Mart’s, next Monday.
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This update was tucked away at the bottom of another article.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/judicial/2010-11-29-arizona-campaign-finance_N.htm
66 wontbackdown 11.29.10 at 6:55 pm: Goofsmom:

Excellent find on that update! Thanks! I saw FreeMeNow or maybe You is recommending a boycott of Walmart – won’t be hard for me to participate – keep us posted!
67 wontbackdown 11.29.10 at 6:55 pm: Later!
68 goofsmom 11.29.10 at 7:02 pm: (((wontbackdown)))

Thanks!
69 Zee 11.29.10 at 7:41 pm: delle, yes, I mentioned the Germans…I remember growing up that they were always the “enemy” along with “Injuns” and “dirty Japs” but I can’t remember what their nickname/slur was…Krauts? It was something else…I just can’t remember. I never played “cowboys and indians” or army men…
70 TexasTigress 11.29.10 at 7:44 pm: Nazis?
71 Zee 11.29.10 at 7:44 pm: NYS….did you see the Huntington Post piece on Michelle and Zero yet again interviewing with Baba Wawa? omg….not only did the transcript include every bit of Uh-uh-bama’s stuttering, but also Michelle’s take on the obsession with her arms….she likes it.

…….
72 Zee 11.29.10 at 7:45 pm: TT….I guess…yeah, nazis… but I seem to remember some term pinpointing Germans and I can’t quite be sure that was it…
73 TexasTigress 11.29.10 at 7:50 pm: Heinie?
74 TexasTigress 11.29.10 at 7:51 pm: Boche?
Jerry?
75 Zee 11.29.10 at 7:54 pm: Isn’t Heineken Dutch?? ;p

No clue…don’t recall that term…
76 TexasTigress 11.29.10 at 7:54 pm: Fritz ?
Teuton ?
77 Zee 11.29.10 at 7:55 pm: Jerrrryyy????
78 TexasTigress 11.29.10 at 7:55 pm: Well , That’s all that wikipedia has !
79 Zee 11.29.10 at 7:56 pm: Those damned Teutons!
80 TexasTigress 11.29.10 at 7:56 pm: LOL !
81 Zee 11.29.10 at 8:05 pm: I do know the poor dachshund was discriminated against, as was the VW Bug.

To no avail, as they both were embraced again.

Dare I suggest that Islamic countries breed a lovable comical canine….oh, that’s right…they don’t like dogs…maybe a sausage….nope, no pork…beer…no again…well, surely a charming car? Oh, that’s right…their women aren’t allowed to drive, and when they do move to a country where they can drive…they want to wear sacks over their heads. So much for safety, visibility and ID photos.

Well, maybe they can start with simply ceasing to rape girlchildren and burn, bury and behead women.

Until then, I fear their….popularity…will continue to suffer. Justifiably.
82 TexasTigress 11.29.10 at 8:36 pm: Zee , ya just can’t trust someone who doesn’t eat Bacon ….
83 Zee 11.29.10 at 11:36 pm: but TT…what are we gonna do about the menz taking over our bacon???

It’s Mantiques, this, Mancessories, that. #1 Mancessory?

Bacon-flavored toothpicks. Are they men or dogs?

If it’s not actual bacon…
84 Zee 11.29.10 at 11:59 pm: heh. tsk. tsk.
85 Delle 11.30.10 at 4:50 am: I don’t know if it is the word you are looking for, but the Germans used to be called Huns.

Zee – you never played Cowboys and Indians? Girl, you don’t know what you missed. I used to put my cap gun in my holster and ride around on my bike pretending it was my horse. Hi-Oh Silver. What fun!
86 Notyoursweetie 11.30.10 at 8:21 am: Tuesday Morning Sneeze: Villager, behold thy mirror – and your idiots
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/the-morning-sneeze-villager-behild-thy-mirror-and-your-idiots/
87 Notyoursweetie 11.30.10 at 9:00 am: and Tuesday’s tabloids – guess who gets attacked in the Wikileaks story?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/tabloids-pay-freeze-from-gop-book-wikileaks-convenient-targets/
88 Notyoursweetie 11.30.10 at 9:47 am: Time for the “Obama is toughest” edition of the DUdies
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/dudies-for-nov-26-30/
89 BigCatLover 11.30.10 at 11:07 am: The Senate defeats the temporary earmark ban bill, but passes the Monsanto Food Safety bill. The Monsanto Food Safety bill goes on to the House for passage. (Fox News)
Probably, not a surprise that Fox supports the food bill and says an important provision is it gives the FDA more power to call for mandatory recalls. Red flag – Fox wants the FDA to have more power? I don’t think so.
90 BigCatLover 11.30.10 at 11:09 am: See Uppity Woman’s site for more information on the Monsanto Food Safety bill (third headline down the page).
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/
91 freddiebrown 11.30.10 at 1:10 pm: FL BARBARA – You have email.
92 scarlet 11.30.10 at 1:36 pm: LEGISLATION

Senate passes new food police bill: Roll call vote 73-25

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/11/30/senate-passes-new-food-police-bill-roll-call-vote-73-25/

Senate rejects earmark ban

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2010/11/senate-rejects-earmark-ban-39-56
93 Delle 11.30.10 at 4:21 pm: Hermila Garcia who became the female police chief in Mexico two months ago was gunned down yesterday:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/11/30/mexico.violence/index.html

What a shame.
94 freddiebrown 11.30.10 at 8:17 pm: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton ‘Should Resign’

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2033771,00.html?hpt=T2
95 Headclunker 11.30.10 at 9:16 pm: Freddiebrown #94

Is that a recommendation to her or of her?

Obama is toxic.
96 freddiebrown 11.30.10 at 9:36 pm: Headclunker : Here’s an extract that better explains it.
Hillary Clinton, Julian Assange said, “should resign.” Speaking over Skype from an undisclosed location on Tuesday, the WikiLeaks founder was replying to a question by TIME managing editor Richard Stengel over the diplomatic-cable dump that Assange’s organization loosed on the world this past weekend. Stengel had said the U.S. Secretary of State was looking like “the fall guy” in the ensuing controversy, and had asked whether her firing or resignation was an outcome that Assange wanted. “I don’t think it would make much of a difference either way,” Assange said. “But she should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up. Yes, she should resign over that.”
97 Notyoursweetie 11.30.10 at 9:43 pm: Now they get it: Shock over OFA asking Os to astroturf for pay freeze
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/jr-jr-asks-os-to-praise-pay-freeze-now-youre-getting-shocked/
98 Headclunker 11.30.10 at 10:00 pm: freddiebrown,

He is talking trash. “if it can be shown that…” What does that mean?

I cannot imagine Clinton being stupid enough to document ordering US diplomats to engage in such espionage.
99 freddiebrown 11.30.10 at 10:24 pm: Headclunker – Julian Assange of Wikileaks is on Interpols most wanted list that is why the article indicates that he is communicating via Skype and not his mobile phone and is in an un-disclosed location. I don’t think anyone is taking his Hillary comment too seriously.

“Interpol, at the request of a Swedish court looking into alleged sex crimes from earlier this year, has put WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on its most-wanted list.

The Stockholm Criminal Court two weeks ago issued an international arrest warrant for Assange on probable cause, saying he is suspected of rape, sexual molestation and illegal use of force in August incidents. “
100 Headclunker 11.30.10 at 10:39 pm: Greta is on Fox about to talk about Hillary Clinton/wiki/2012
101 Headclunker 11.30.10 at 11:01 pm: Well Newt Grinch stood up for Hillary and said she did right in gathering intelligence and then Greta had a clip showing Christine O’Donnell saying she would vote for Hillary in a primary.

I do not think this is help.
102 Notyoursweetie 12.01.10 at 8:17 am: Second Morning Sneeze: GOP rescuing Social Security?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/is-gop-rescuing-social-security/
103 Notyoursweetie 12.01.10 at 8:39 am: And Wednesday’s tabloids
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/tabloids-chicago-civil-unions-dadt-assange-unemployment-comp/
104 scarlet 12.01.10 at 9:59 am: Senators Cannot Agree on Fix to the Health Law

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Monday failed to repeal an unpopular element of the health care overhaul even though Democrats and Republicans agreed it needed to be jettisoned to prevent businesses from being saddled with undue tax paperwork.

Under the provision, which was added to the health care law to help pay for it, businesses that spend a cumulative $600 or more with a vendor, supplier or contractor would have to file a 1099 form with the Internal Revenue Service identifying the recipient of the money.

The idea is that the new reporting requirement would increase compliance with tax laws, generating added tax payments that would help pay for new health care coverage. Lawmakers in both parties now say that the provision goes too far and that it would put a burden on companies now exempt from reporting such spending while requiring an expansion of the Internal Revenue Service to keep track of the added paperwork.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/us/politics/30cong.html?_r=2
105 BigCatLover 12.01.10 at 10:18 am: The so-called food safety bill may be on hold while the House complains that the Senate overstepped their constitutional bounds by passing this bill first. The House claims that this bill is a tax issue and all tax bills must originate in the House not the Senate. Stay tuned for further developments . (C-span’s Washington Journal)

On a lighter note, we all need a ‘Jesse’ around the house. See Uppity Woman’s video:
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/
106 BigCatLover 12.01.10 at 10:24 am: Notyoursweetie 12.01.10 at 8:17 am

Second Morning Sneeze: GOP rescuing Social Security?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/is-gop-rescuing-social-security/
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I’ve noticed for several weeks that a few high profile Repubs were talking about not changing social security. It puzzled me and made me wonder what they had up their sleeves. But since several of them were saying it, it has become a talking point – no matter whether they mean it or not.
107 BigCatLover 12.01.10 at 10:31 am: The dweeebs in congress are rushing out to support the Simpson/Bowles deficit reduction plan t screw middle Americans. I believe they need 14 supporters in the Senate for Harry Reid to bring it to a vote. Judd Hirsch and Kent Conrad have rushed out to volunteer to support the commission’s recommendation. They need 12 more and we’re screwed.
108 BigCatLover 12.01.10 at 10:47 am: Sorry, I was on my way out the door and called Judd Gregg, Judd Hirsch.
109 HP Boston 12.01.10 at 12:04 pm: They need 12 more and we’re screwed.
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We get screwed every time they vote ! SCREWED and FUCKED over every single time!! I feel totaly fucked all the time!!!
I have sent this email to all the airlines…fucked and molested and lied to and conned and fuucked, fucked, fucked!!!
============
I have stopped flying…my rights as a citizen of the USA are being violated. I will never submit to a violation of my personal self to keep the fiasco of keeping travel safe. X-ray and molest the LIKELY (they know who THEY are) SUSPECTS! Our inept TSA and government are an atrocious, dismal failure……secure? I feel so less safe and secure! I will never fly again as long as this out of control attacks on paying customers is allowed to stand.
110 scarlet 12.01.10 at 12:06 pm: Commission’s final deficit report preserves controversial spending cuts

The leaders of President Obama’s fiscal commission released a final report Wednesday that is full of political dynamite, recommending sharp cuts in military spending, a higher retirement age and reforms that could cost the average taxpayer an extra $1,700 a year.

But as commission co-chairmen Erskine Bowles and Alan K. Simpson unveiled the plan at a Capitol Hill hearing, it was unclear whether they would be able to build a convincing bipartisan consensus before the panel’s 18 members – 12 of them sitting lawmakers – are scheduled to vote on the report Friday.

Two panel members – Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) and Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) – immediately came out in strong support, saying that although they don’t like everything in the package, it charts a responsible path away from the abyss of rising debt and potential fiscal crisis.

The plan recommends raising taxes by nearly $1 trillion by 2020, primarily through tax reforms that would eliminate or reduce cherished reductions including the deduction for home mortgage interest; the tax-free treatment of employer-paid health insurance; and preferred rates for capital gains and dividends.
It also calls for a 15-cent hike in the federal gas tax. The top income tax rate for both individuals and corporations would be dramatically lowered, however, from 35 percent to 29 percent or less. And the report recommends a legislative trigger that would raise taxes automatically unless a comprehensive overhaul is approved by 2013.

Future retirees would also face significant sacrifices, including higher Medicare premiums and a retirement age that would rise to 69 by 2075. The early retirement age would rise from 62 to 64.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/30/AR2010113005968.html?wpisrc=nl_natlalert
111 HP Boston 12.01.10 at 12:14 pm: WOW these Confuckermen are really pushing America into a a deep depression! I guess all the Confuckermen will be in a new and lower 29% bracket! Yep a big whoop for the Confuckermen.
I suggest every 62 year old retire ASAP!!!
112 scarlet 12.01.10 at 1:02 pm: House May Block Food Safety Bill Over Senate Error

A food safety bill that has burned up precious days of the Senate’s lame-duck session appears headed back to the chamber because Democrats violated a constitutional provision requiring that tax provisions originate in the House.

By pre-empting the House’s tax-writing authority, Senate Democrats appear to have touched off a power struggle with members of their own party in the House. The Senate passed the bill Tuesday, sending it to the House, but House Democrats are expected to use a procedure known as “blue slipping” to block the bill, according to House and Senate GOP aides.

more here:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/-201012-1.html
113 BigCatLover 12.01.10 at 4:24 pm: If these debt reducing recommendations are enacted, I guarantee you that the Congress will turn around and spend the additional revenues, be they tea partiers, corporate repubs or Obama dems. They are now trying to fear all citizens into not fighting the increased retirement age, the tax increases, etc. by saying if these are not passed, it will be the end of America (Simpson and Bowles on Neil Cavuto’s show). The only outcome from the changes will be that life is harder (if that’s possible) for middle and lower income Americans. The stampede for Americans minds has begun.
114 BigCatLover 12.01.10 at 4:27 pm: Where are the tax provisions in the so-called food safety bill? They must be hidden in the fine print because no analysis I heard of the bill mentioned taxes (unless the increased funding to the FDA qualifies).
115 BigCatLover 12.01.10 at 4:32 pm: it looks like if your voting strategy in Nov was to split the Congress and end the run away Congress (as mine was), it seems to have worked. The repubs have already vowed to stop anything Obama and the dems support and are throwing a monkey wrench into the whole lame duck session agenda. Screech goes the Congressional agenda – at least until January.
116 BigCatLover 12.01.10 at 5:13 pm: Hillary Clinton Resign? – Cyber War Against Hillary Clinton
http://www.hillaryis44.org/2010/12/01/hillary-clinton-resign-cyber-war-against-hillary-clinton/#comment-316303
117 HP Boston 12.01.10 at 7:19 pm: Yup and HRC is off to ufreakastan and oleckastan, and ohforfucksakeastan….no good job goes unpunished!
118 Headclunker 12.01.10 at 9:13 pm: Repubs Busy with Their Dirty Deeds

GOP Hands Polluters and Oil Companies A Major Victory

In a clear sign of the regressive policies to be pursued by our soon to arrive GOP controlled Congress, the Republican leadership of tomorrow has announced that the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming is to be disbanded.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2010/12/01/gop-hands-polluters-and-oil-companies-a-major-victory/
119 Delle 12.02.10 at 8:05 am: A ladies room.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101201/ap_on_go_co/us_congress_ladies__room_2
I never knew there wasn’t an assessible ladies room.
I suppose I really never thought about it.
120 Notyoursweetie 12.02.10 at 8:47 am: Thursday Morning Sneeze: Dean wants Obama to reclaim his progressive base
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/the-morning-sneezedean-tells-obama-to-reclaim-progressive-base/
121 Notyoursweetie 12.02.10 at 9:14 am: Thursday tabloids are here
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/tabloids-the-jobless-front-and-center-catfood-propaganda/
122 Delle 12.02.10 at 2:42 pm: Forget about boycotting the airlines. The porno-scanners are now being used at bus terminals:

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2010/12/wow-that-was-quick-obama-tsa-deploys-scanner-checkpoints-at-bus-stations-video/#comments

I’m afraid we are living in a police state.
123 scarlet 12.02.10 at 4:49 pm: Dec 2 (Reuters) – The U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday voted to extend Bush-era tax cuts on individual income up to $200,000 a year and $250,000 for families, letting extra cuts for the wealthiest to expire.

Republicans have vowed to block the measure in the Senate. They want to extend additional low tax rates for the wealthiest Americans as well.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKWEN386420101202
124 stoney42 12.02.10 at 7:43 pm: A friend of mine asked me to pass along this web site. It offers free cleaning service for women undergoing cancer treatment.

http://www.cleaningforareason.org/maidservice.php
125 BigCatLover 12.02.10 at 9:13 pm: Instead of complaining maybe its time for Nancy and Harry and Barrack to skip down the yellow brick road to the Great and Powerful Carville and see if they can beg him to give them all an anatomical refit. Or better yet, just get new leadership, starting with the 2012 Democratic presidential primary.
One thing is certain for now. With Republicans putting Obama in a hammerlock he is almost certain to say ” I give”. And what he will give is the same thing Bush gave. Tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans which will add another $700 billion to the deficit while he ditched the public option which would have cut the deficit by $160 billion and provided accessible healthcare to tens of millions of Americans who dont have it. And one more important thing to remember. Both the House and senate can pass legislation renewing the tax cuts for the middle class and letting the tax cuts for the wealthy expire and there is nothing the Republicans can do about it. Tax legislation can be passed using reconciliation, the same way the Republicans enacted the tax cuts in the first place. That would prevent a Republican filibuster. So dont be fooled by anything less coming from the still Democratically controlled congress. If they dont pass the tax legislation through reconciliation and instead compromise with Republicans, going against their own consciences, you’ll know who to blame and who is at the heart of it.
And why this White House is not so much a ship of state but a Ship of Fools.
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/
126 Casper Cat 12.02.10 at 9:51 pm: Did anyone get this??? even though I am registured “uncommitted”…. Just curious… thanks… hopes it works

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127 Zee 12.03.10 at 1:57 am: #85 delle

I played with my brother’s cap gun, if that counts…but I didn’t care that it was a gun…I just liked the noise and smoke!
128 Zee 12.03.10 at 2:09 am: That is sad about the Mexican woman police chief…thanks for sharing, delle.

And also, regarding the bus station body scans. Ohhhh, yeah, they are setting us up in a police state big time, if anyone cares.

I tried to get into my bank the other day and they only let one person in or out at a time now….you go thru double doors that somehow “scan” you before turning a light green to unlock each door.
129 Zee 12.03.10 at 2:11 am: Don’t even get me started on the forcing Hillary to resign campaign…!

I’ve been reading up on wikileaks and apparently, the White House forced the NYTimes to retract a bunch of their claims…

The one claim they didn’t force the Times to retract? The one on Hillary.
130 Notyoursweetie 12.03.10 at 7:02 am: The Morning Sneeze: Not even talking to you any more
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/the-morning-sneeze-praying-back-the-economy/
131 Notyoursweetie 12.03.10 at 7:56 am: Friday tabloids are here
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/tabloids-obama-rs-plot-against-ds-and-us-new-life-form-rangel/
132 Notyoursweetie 12.03.10 at 9:54 am: And if it’s Friday, it’s Howdy DUdie time
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/dudies-for-november-30-december-3/
133 vwade 12.03.10 at 10:37 am: Gene Simmons wants his vote back. Jackass! So, now, after the fact, you’re going to investigate his resume? What about women in this country being oppressed? Makes me sick, but I guess if it helps in opening anymore OBOT eyes, well…..

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/12/02/exp.ps.simmons.obama.vote.cnn?hpt=C2
134 vwade 12.03.10 at 10:42 am: Casper #126 Perhaps, she’s trying to clean everything up so she can get ready to run again! Let’s hope!
135 BigCatLover 12.03.10 at 1:04 pm: Casper Cat 12.02.10 at 9:51 pm
Yes, I got that Hillary dvd offer in both my email accounts. Probably anyone who donated in 2008 received the message.
136 goofsmom 12.03.10 at 1:56 pm: Wall Street is waking up… slowly, but waking up.

The Rise of the Sheconomy

“Everyone knows, or has long suspected, that the purse strings are held by women. It’s oft repeated that they make 85% of the buying decisions or are the chief purchasing officers of their households. The difference today – one that has enormous consequences across global economies – is that women are also the earners. In October 2009, the U.S. workforce became nearly half female: women held 49.9% of all nonfarm labor jobs and 51.5% of high-paying management and professional positions, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. This is not likely to be a blip. For every two guys who graduate from college or get a higher degree, three women do. This is almost the exact opposite of the graduation ratio that existed when the baby boomers entered college.”
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20101203/us_time/09171203091300
137 Delle 12.03.10 at 2:09 pm: Hillary, once again, says she is not running for president:

http://www.wqad.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-clinton-future,0,1520457.story

After her job as SOS she plans to become an advocate for women and children around the world.
138 HP Boston 12.03.10 at 3:53 pm: Hillary can always say she will run again for a public office BECAUSE she can best serve womwn and children in that government position.
I BELIEVE therefore I think…………..I could change my mind.
I hope she writes a TELL ALL book about the snivilinggitobama! I want to hear all the dirt they have on all the politicians and how they threaten all with dire exposure if they do not tow the party line! Like the dirt they had on each and every one running in the Dem primary with Ofraud. Oh never mind we all know that now. Where is whatshisname, Edwards and Richardson?
139 HP Boston 12.03.10 at 3:54 pm: goofsmom 12.03.10 at 1:56 pm

Wall Street is waking up… slowly, but waking up.

The Rise of the Sheconomy

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Mighty good news, mighty good! Oh and WE vote too!
140 theamericanway 12.03.10 at 4:04 pm: Headclunker, there is mail.
141 goofsmom 12.03.10 at 4:06 pm: HP,

#139 – Yes indeed WE do!
142 BigCatLover 12.07.10 at 9:32 am: Am I the first to post on our resurrected blog? Yippee!
Some of us have been over at the cottage keeping in touch. I’ll go back over and see if anyone is on this morning.
143 BigCatLover 12.07.10 at 9:40 am: Okay, Murphy was on it rounding people up and directing them here. I’ll just wait patiently for company.
144 Delle 12.07.10 at 9:42 am: I am so glad you are back. Whew!

I was reading through the comments on the ‘old’ site, but my passward wasn’t accepted. I think that’s because I had to obtain a new password several months ago when I replaced my computer which had died on me. I was wondering if I should get a third password, but knew that would lead to further confusion.

Anyway, it’s so good to see this site up again.

And Murphy – thank God you are alright.
145 Uppity Woman 12.07.10 at 9:57 am: Murphy, this is not a moment too soon. I was just about to send somebody over there to pull you back with a hook. What the heck happened?
146 HP Boston 12.07.10 at 10:05 am: Murphy!!!
You are back on line, I had better send a donation!!!
147 PumaRhythm 12.07.10 at 10:08 am: *************There is No Place Like Home************************
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Thank you Murphy.
148 wontbackdown 12.07.10 at 11:20 am: WOW! !!!!WHEEEWWWWWWWW!!!!

I can breathe again!

H/T BillieJO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_os8MnI-3g&feature=player_embedded
149 Notyoursweetie 12.07.10 at 11:28 am: Yeay! You’re back!
Time for the DUdies – the “I still like Obama” edition
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/dudies-for-december-3-7/
150 TerryDo 12.07.10 at 11:42 am: Hey Murphy, I am happy to hear all is well in your homestead and that it was just some sort of technical glitch; and imagine Mercury only starts to go retrograde on December 10th and we are experiencing it already.

I think the Obot Dimocrats needed a good excuse to abandon the Obama ship while saving face and they found it in their sanctimonious cry of shame on Obama for keeping the Bush tax cuts across the board, which includes the very very rich people.

Also S.o.S. Hillary R. Clinton is saying that she will not run for the Presidency, but her mind can be changed if she is convinced that the country needs her leadeership, then she will step up to the plate….. That is my belief!
151 BigCatLover 12.07.10 at 11:43 am: Notyoursweetie
Great DUdies today!
152 PumaRhythm 12.07.10 at 11:59 am: #148 WBD…

Wow….that’s a freakin fantastic video..
Thanks for posting!
also thanks to Billie Jo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_os8MnI-3g&feature=player_embedded

Hillary 2012!

Pumas Rock!

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#149 NYS..

today I have the WORST cold in the world..
I’m sitting here all wrapped up wearing thick socks that don’t match..
cold meds and tissue all over my desk..

but todays Dudies…have me ROTFLMAO..
and it hurts. lol

thanks for your daily post..I love them!
153 PumaRhythm 12.07.10 at 12:16 pm: pumas…sorry for any typos, poor spelling, grammar ect. today..
it’s the cold and the meds. thanks.

headed for my sofa and blanket…
will check in often today.

(((Pumas)))
154 ProudMilitaryMom 12.07.10 at 12:23 pm: YAY! So glad you are back up! We were all worried about you Murphy!
155 TexasTigress 12.07.10 at 12:38 pm: I like the cottage
156 goofsmom 12.07.10 at 12:53 pm: Woooooooo Hooooooo! (((((Murphy))))

Happy dance! Thanks for letting me out of the root cellar Murphy. I knew someone had the key. It was cold in there and I could hear all the Pumas up in the cabin having a good time.

PumaRhythm, hope your cold gets better.

XOXOXO

Dances, please check in soon!
157 scarlet 12.07.10 at 12:59 pm: Fears Grow That Tax Deal Could Be Torpedoed, As Durbin Says Democrats Could “Walk Out”

Remember we don’t have a deal on taxes yet. We have a “framework” for a tax deal that needs to be scored by the CBO and then, of course, voted on.

And there are definitely fears that the framework could be blown up by angry Democrats.

Remember, the deal was cut between Obama and the GOP, without any real sign that Congressional Democrats played much of a role. So there are egoes to worry about.

Sen. Dick Durbin, who voted for the Deficit Commission’s recommendations, has already said Democrats could “walk out.”

Virginia Senator Mark Warner was on CNBC this morning talking about how he didn’t necessarily want to support the deal unless there were triggers to ensure there would be a focus on deficit reduction.

So watch this. The deal isn’t done yet.

http://www.businessinsider.com/durbain-says-democrats-could-walk-out-on-tax-deal-2010-12
158 goofsmom 12.07.10 at 1:02 pm: Scarlet,

Yep, I’m keeping a watch on the antics re: the taxes. I really hate all the political posturing by both parties. Just do something damn it!!!
159 HP Boston 12.07.10 at 2:26 pm: There is no reason to watch these clowns…well maybe for the laughing till you cry.
If the Confuckermen walk out or play mad and vote it down Otheheadofallshitthatstinks can say oh my I sure did try so nobody died! O’GOPMANINCHARGE now ya see em now ya don’t! The play is in it’s thrid (trud) act and I am sick to death of the curtain calls………
160 scarlet 12.07.10 at 2:38 pm: Secretary Napolitano Announces Expansion of “If You See Something, Say Something” Campaign to Walmart Stores Across the Nation

Release Date: December 6, 2010
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010

Washington, D.C. – Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano today announced the expansion of the Department’s national “If You See Something, Say Something” campaign to hundreds of Walmart stores across the country – launching a new partnership between DHS and Walmart to help the American public play an active role in ensuring the safety and security of our nation.

“Homeland security starts with hometown security, and each of us plays a critical role in keeping our country and communities safe,” said Secretary Napolitano. “I applaud Walmart for joining the ‘If You See Something, Say Something’ campaign. This partnership will help millions of shoppers across the nation identify and report indicators of terrorism, crime and other threats to law enforcement authorities.”

The “If You See Something, Say Something” campaign—originally implemented by New York City’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority and funded, in part, by $13 million from DHS’ Transit Security Grant Program—is a simple and effective program to engage the public and key frontline employees to identify and report indicators of terrorism, crime and other threats to the proper transportation and law enforcement authorities.

More than 230 Walmart stores nationwide launched the “If You See Something, Say Something” campaign today, with a total of 588 Walmart stores in 27 states joining in the coming weeks. A short video message will play at select checkout locations to remind shoppers to contact local law enforcement to report suspicious activity.
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1291648380371.shtm
161 scarlet 12.07.10 at 2:41 pm: Elizabeth Edwards’ Family Gathers as Her Cancer Spreads

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/12/06/elizabeth-edwards-family-gathers-as-her-cancer-spreads/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk1%7C188507
162 RememberNovember 12.07.10 at 2:42 pm: Hello (((Pumas)))!

So glad you are OK (((Murphy)))
163 RememberNovember 12.07.10 at 2:46 pm: Can someone jog my memory please. In the old days, didn’t the same key work at both the big house and the cabin. Had to get a new one for the cabin and then it would not work back here?

Glad you are out of the root cellar Goofsmom
164 HP Boston 12.07.10 at 2:48 pm: RememberNovember 12.07.10 at 2:42 pm

Hi There long time no see…how are you and yours?
Did see you in the cottage yeaterday are you on vacation and were in the neighborhood for a visit??
165 Headclunker 12.07.10 at 2:53 pm: HP Boston,

It would be worth watching for the laugh, if the Dems do walk out. I saw the talking heads on Fox the other day discussing the subject. The Repub started by saying that the tax cuts should be maintained across the board because taxpayers in the $250,000 range are frequently small/mid business owners who can create jobs. Then someone countered with a compromise on the cutoff being raised to $1,000,000. Then the Repub got more honest and said that it was a pissing contest over “Class Warefare”.

How much of those incomes over $1,000,000 per year include money from the government stimulus fraud?

They are a bunch of chest-thumping neanderthals who are willing to cut the baby in half to get theirs.

Pigs, just total pigs.
166 DancesWithPumas 12.07.10 at 2:54 pm: Secretary Napolitano Announces Expansion of “If You See Something, Say Something” Campaign to Walmart Stores Across the Nation
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I see towels are on sale on aisle 2.
167 RememberNovember 12.07.10 at 2:56 pm: Good, (((HP)))), and you? Not really a vacation – ……

Can you help me please find my WP profile so that I can change my new key to something I can remember. Am in a do-loop and I just keep getting new ones!!!
168 RememberNovember 12.07.10 at 2:57 pm: (((Dances))) – good to see you. We were worried!

Ha! Better get to Wallmart for some of those towels
169 BigCatLover 12.07.10 at 2:58 pm: Is anyone watching the Obama press briefing. I can’t believe the garbage that this guy is saying. Either he’s trying to change the message (good luck with that) or he is delusional. He said sometimes you have to negotiate with the hostage takers (repubs) to save the hostage. I about jumped out of my chair. Our terrorist friends will love that. Then he said for 2 years people have accused him of not budging on things like healthcare. He budged on every aspect of health care so it no longer resembled reform. Now he’s talking loud and fast and complaining that he is being criticized. Wow, this is unbelievable,
170 BigCatLover 12.07.10 at 3:00 pm: Lecture and finger jabbing is done, so he ended the press briefing. I think there were a total of 4 reporters who got to ask questions. CNN is busy spinning this as a defiant putdown of the press by Obama.
171 RememberNovember 12.07.10 at 3:00 pm: You must be watching C-span BCL.
172 Headclunker 12.07.10 at 3:00 pm: Obama Math

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJu0DgpiK8c&feature=channel
173 RememberNovember 12.07.10 at 3:04 pm: Found the Dashboard – so all’s fixed for now
174 RememberNovember 12.07.10 at 3:08 pm: Bye for now
175 HP Boston 12.07.10 at 3:53 pm: Headclunker 12.07.10 at 2:53 pm

Yup HC that is JUST what I see and hear too…CNN crap, Fox more crap. Medafucker men!!!!

I think I LOVEEEEEEEE wikileakes!
176 Shadowfax 12.07.10 at 3:57 pm: I’m glad to see ((Murphy)) and the gang are all back in the BIG den, although I too like the little den, it’s cozy and the little dialog balloons are cute.

Keep fighting PUMAs…

This link is not about Obama nor Hillary, but I hope PUMAs can help spread this to the public. It was posted on Hillaryis44 and here is partly what it is about:

Meet Navy-NOAA heads killing millions sea animals…
Public meetings about approved Navy 5-year war testing off California coast

Today, Rosalind Peterson reached out to encourage Californians’ participation at two December meetings in which the U.S. Navy and NOAA will address its 5-year Warfare Testing program that includes killing millions of sea animals off the California and Hawaiian coasts. High-tech weapons applied to animals will then be used on humans.

NOAA issued the permit and Letter of Authorization to the Navy, finalized November 12, 2010, part of which is below. It protects no National Marine Sanctuaries, Marine Reserves, Biologically Sensitive Areas and does not stop the Navy from testing new weapons systems (including sonar), during gray whale migrations or salmon migrations.

U.S. Congressman Thompson’s request for the U.S. Navy and NOAA to meet with the public in Mendocino and Humboldt Counties in December 2010 has been accepted.

Peterson writes: “This is to notify everyone that NOAA and the U.S. Navy will be meeting with the public on the issue of the U.S. Navy Warfare Testing activities planned for the NWTRC. U.S. Congressman Thompson has organized these public meetings for residents of both Humboldt & Mendocino Counties. Representatives from Marin County are invited to attend these public events.”

“In the future, these plans can be altered on any date by the U.S. Navy or NOAA placing the information in the U.S. Federal Register. And the Navy does not need to notify anyone, including fishermen or ocean tourists, that these events are underway.”

more at: http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/meet-navy-heads-planning-to-kill-millions-more-sealife

Thanks for your help with this PUMAs.
177 stoney42 12.07.10 at 4:55 pm: Rest in Peace – Elizabeth Edwards.
178 DancesWithPumas 12.07.10 at 5:23 pm: oh noooooooo! damn. damn. damn.
179 DancesWithPumas 12.07.10 at 5:51 pm: In a message posted on her Facebook page, Elizabeth Edwards addressed her family and friends:

“The days of our lives, for all of us, are numbered. We know that. And, yes, there are certainly times when we aren’t able to muster as much strength and patience as we would like. It’s called being human,” she wrote.

“But I have found that in the simple act of living with hope, and in the daily effort to have a positive impact in the world, the days I do have are made all the more meaningful and precious. And for that I am grateful. It isn’t possible to put into words the love and gratitude I feel to everyone who has and continues to support and inspire me every day. To you I simply say: you know.”
180 Zee 12.07.10 at 6:13 pm: Thanks for that Elizabeth quote, dances….I tuned into the news tonight to have a chortle over the Precious and was saddened to see the news that Elizabeth Edwards had passed. RIP, inspirational lady.
181 Zee 12.07.10 at 6:16 pm: BCL, I missed the Precious’ new conference, but saw a clip of it on CNN. omg.

His new talking point is the “North Star” and how we’re ok as long as we’re heading toward it. Then he whined that he was following his promises “or trying.” lololololololol

And the constant flopping of his hand on the podium has bothered me for a while, but it was out of control today. Sheesh…it’s his new uh-uh-uh.
182 Zee 12.07.10 at 6:26 pm: #148 wbd and billyjo

thanks, nice youtube!

many many people are talking primary challenge…even Joseph Cannon over at cannonfire, who is back. But be forewarned, he disses Hillary for being part of Zero’s cabinet and doesn’t suggest ANY women for the primary challenge.

Huffington Post had a great article on Zero’s abject failure as preznit and advocates a primary challenge.

It’s popcorn time as the Obots are coming down off their Hopium hard….now let me check out NYS’s roundup of the diehard Hopium huffers…
183 Headclunker 12.07.10 at 7:25 pm: Hey, any of you PUMA want to sharpen your claws, there are some Obots on Huffy Post that need some clawing:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com//2010/12/07/dan-rather-obama-primary_n_792986.html
184 goofsmom 12.07.10 at 8:58 pm: So sad about Elizabeth Edwards.
185 invalidresponse 12.07.10 at 9:21 pm: MSNBC is seething over Obama right now, this is truly something to watch!!

psssssssssst…… ummm we tried to warn you!!

The link below will play the programs over and over one right after each other.
(if you are interested)
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-msnbc.html
186 Headclunker 12.07.10 at 9:26 pm: An email from the Hillary Clinton Campaign:

Dear XXXXX,

Hillary – as always – said it best.

“You never gave in. You never gave up. And together, we made history.”

Do you remember Hillary’s speech at the Democratic National Convention? It was an historic moment, one that made all of us proud. If you missed the first opportunity to buy a DVD of her speech, you are in luck. We have a few of our special edition 2008 National Democratic Convention DVDs left, and we want to share them with you.

If you contribute $50 or more today to help retire the last bit of Hillary’s campaign debt, we will send you a DVD with Hillary’s historic speech at the 2008 Denver convention, and the inspiring video that introduced her. That’s not all – it also includes President Clinton’s speech and a special message that Hillary recorded just for you. And, for those of you who want something extra special, you can contribute $250 or more and receive one of our special “signature” DVDs hand-signed by Hillary. We only have 50 “signature” DVDs remaining, so act fast if you’d like one for yourself or for a holiday gift!

Contribute today to receive your commemorative DVD.

In her speech, Hillary said, “You allowed me to become part of your lives. And you became part of mine.” As we all know, campaigns are tough, but having loyal supporters like you helped make Hillary’s campaign one that will never be forgotten. By making a contribution today, you will have your own personal memento of the “determination to keep going, often in the face of enormous obstacles.”

Contribute $50 or more today, you’ll receive a DVD copy of Hillary’s and President Clinton’s convention speeches – a unique piece of history.

Hillary would not be where she is today without your constant support, dedication, and friendship over the years. Because of you, we are so close to retiring her campaign debt once and for all — and we will always be proud that we made history together!

Thank you again.

Allison
Hillary Clinton for President
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The Clinton’s have an amazingly flexible and convoluted financial structure for their various funds. I cannot claim to understand it completely, but let it be said, it does include a substantial amount of charity through the Clinton Foundation.

The 2008 Presidential Campaign files quarterly reports with the FEC. The next report will be out on January 15, 2011 for the quarter ending December 31, 2010. Here is a link to her last one:
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00431569/500716/
187 DancesWithPumas 12.07.10 at 9:34 pm: Obama Must Step Aside — No Second Term
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greener/obama-must-step-aside—n_b_793439.html
188 invalidresponse 12.07.10 at 9:45 pm: Hey Dances…. is my wishing really working????
My fingers are crossed!!!
189 Notyoursweetie 12.07.10 at 9:51 pm: You only had to hear one line in today’s press conference
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/obamas-revealing-line-today/
190 invalidresponse 12.07.10 at 9:57 pm: ummmmm….Notyoursweetie?????…
don’t look now, but….. it is snowing at your website!
191 turndownobama 12.07.10 at 9:57 pm: profiling based on nationality and religion.`

===================

I agree with the profiling but base it on things more objective than religion. The profile is young males from certain countries: Yemen, Somalia, etc. Religion is just a mark you make on paper, easy to fake.

The real terrorists can conceal their religion if any. Targeting some old grandmother in a veil from a non-enemy country just muddies the waters.
192 Casper Cat 12.07.10 at 9:59 pm: Headclunker…. Re:post 186… See privious post #126 this thread… I too, recieved the same notice… Interesting… Very Interesting… I have a few friends who have made donations and worked on her campaign… and they have recieved this letter too…. Let’s see what happends….
193 Casper Cat 12.07.10 at 10:01 pm: sorry, for the typos…. Again…. I keep telling myself… Read before posting! UGH!!! Just in a hurry… And, I am very sad to hear about Elizabeth Edwards passing today…May she rest in peace and comfort…..
194 Casper Cat 12.07.10 at 10:07 pm: Oh, and DWP will you pick me up a few of those towels too… And, if they could be black and white with a hint of beige… So, they match my kitchen…. thanks…. good to see you….
195 BigCatLover 12.07.10 at 10:13 pm: Video of Obama’s press briefing today from c-span. You have to hear it to believe it:
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/12/07/HP/R/41634/President+Obama+News+Conference+on+Tax+Cut+Agreement.aspx
196 Headclunker 12.07.10 at 10:48 pm: BCL #195

That man is just as stupid as I always thought he was. What is his excuse for not being able to get his plan through the Senate? The Repubs took the House, not the Senate. Has Obozo forgotten how to be a thug?
197 HP Boston 12.07.10 at 11:47 pm: This has all been put in place before the “cave in” he made his deals with the GOP long ago. HE is the GOP! How does he get away with this crap. his base is pissed off, so what.. Well he is the resurrection and the light! He is the preznit! Like it or lump it is his mantra………
198 Notyoursweetie 12.08.10 at 12:04 am: If you are curious how Os reacted to the scolding today, I’ve got some screen shots
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/du-reacts-to-obamas-latest-scolding-screen-shots/
199 wontbackdown 12.08.10 at 12:41 am: Put down the beverage and scoot away from the computer screen:

The Slum ~~Lord~~ DOG President Strikes Again:

You’ll Never Guess Whose Taxes Are Going To Go Up Because Of The Tax Cut ‘Compromise’

“The New York Times tonight, David Kocieniewski’s got the hard numbers, and finds that the deal is actually a very good one, as long as one or more of the following terms describes you:

–”the highest earners”
–”the wealthiest 1 percent of the population”
–”the wealthiest Americans”
–”hedge fund managers and private equity investors”
–”an individual earning $110,000″
–”4 million taxpayers with income in the mid- to high six figures”
–”Estates over $5 million”

To those of you who fit the descriptions above, congratulations! Really, is anyone not making out like a bandit, with this tax-cut compromise?

In fact, the only groups likely to face a tax increase are those near the bottom of the income scale — individuals who make less than $20,000 and families with earnings below $40,000.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/07/tax-cut-compromise-whose-taxes-rise_n_793572.html

“Change” that just keeps on destroying peoples’ lives
200 Zee 12.08.10 at 1:01 am: Well, if anyone remembers the recent scientific discovery behind arsenic-based lifeforms…check out the brilliant young scientist responsible, who happens to be a woman who smokes/rocks/brings it:

http://jezebel.com/5705496/the-impressively-young-woman-behind-arsenic-aliens-discovery
201 DancesWithPumas 12.08.10 at 1:45 am: Murmurs of Primary Challenge to Obama
By MATT BAI
That a primary is being discussed reflects how fully the president’s relationship with his party’s liberal activists has ruptured.

WASHINGTON — President Obama’s compromise with Republicans on extending tax cuts for the wealthy, which his self-described progressive critics see as a profound betrayal, is bound to intensify a debate that has been bubbling up on liberal blogs and e-mail lists in recent weeks — whether or not the president who embodied “hope and change” in 2008 should face a primary challenge in 2012.

:::snip::::
Just last weekend, three liberal writers made the case for taking on Mr. Obama in 2012. Michael Lerner, longtime editor of Tikkun magazine, argued in The Washington Post that a primary represented a “real way to save the Obama presidency,” by forcing Mr. Obama to move leftward. Robert Kuttner, co-founder of The American Prospect and one of the party’s most scathing populist voices, issued a similar call on The Huffington Post, suggesting Iowa as the ideal incubator.

On the same site, Clarence B. Jones, a one-time confidant of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., suggested that liberals should break with Mr. Obama now, just as Dr. King and others did with Lyndon B. Johnson in 1968. “It is not easy to consider challenging the first African-American to be elected president of the United States,” Mr. Jones wrote. “But, regrettably, I believe the time has come to do this.”

continues at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/08/us/politics/08bai.html?_r=1&hp
202 DancesWithPumas 12.08.10 at 1:48 am: BigCatLover 12.07.10 at 10:13 pm
Video of Obama’s press briefing today from c-span. You have to hear it to believe it:
http://www.cspan.org/Watch/Media/2010/12/07/HP/R/41634/President+Obama+News+Conference+on+Tax+Cut+Agreement.aspx
————————–
Obama sounded like a kid who was sent to the blackboard to write 1000 times:
My job is to…
My job is to…
My job is to…
My job is to…
203 Notyoursweetie 12.08.10 at 8:32 am: At least Os have to argue now that he is in fact on our side…Making progress
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/the-morning-sneeze-obama-is-on-our-side-so-stop-saying-that/
204 invalidresponse 12.08.10 at 8:42 am: Life in the States are just getting hard to take…
Think things are not bad enough in Washington??

Richmond, Va. publicly put to death Rudolph (yes, the red nose reindeer) The execution took place during the annual Christmas parade, for all to see.

Warning video is actual execution of the famed reindeer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_j-0mpap38
205 TexasTigress 12.08.10 at 8:53 am: RIP Elizabeth Edwards
RIP John Lennon
206 Notyoursweetie 12.08.10 at 8:59 am: @Invalidresponse – yeah, I noticed!
Tabloids today offer some interesting shots from yesterday big scolding
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/tabloids-wooing-with-insults-austerity/
207 HP Boston 12.08.10 at 9:15 am: RIP DEMOCRATS

Obamakillerofdemocracy
208 TexasTigress 12.08.10 at 9:53 am: I had always wondered what HP stood for – In my head , it was “Hell Pisser ”

I think I’m right
209 BigCatLover 12.08.10 at 10:37 am: Notyoursweetie 12.08.10 at 12:04 am

If you are curious how Os reacted to the scolding today, I’ve got some screen shots
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/du-reacts-to-obamas-latest-scolding-screen-shots/
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Your links don’t seem to be working here.
210 HP Boston 12.08.10 at 10:45 am: Nah…wrong TT

It is H P =
Hugly Pissedoffalldayeverydayaboutheassholeinthewhitehouse
211 BigCatLover 12.08.10 at 10:48 am: HP and TT
Both names fit and I love them.
212 Zee 12.08.10 at 1:37 pm: So sad I have to miss all the Obot-imploding, but I’m sure there is plenty more Obot-imploding to come as well….

Just popped in to say apparently, scientists are coming out of the woodwork to blast the arsenic-based life discovery. Hmmmmm…..
213 BigCatLover 12.08.10 at 4:55 pm: Food for thought on Hillary running for President again:
-snip
Reading Signs

With her public statements so unrevealing, what other signs can we parse to divine Hillary’s intentions? Here are a few to ponder:

* During the recent mid-terms, Bill Clinton made a point of being seen campaigning for every Hillary delegate from 2008. That simply could have been the right thing to do, but it may also have sent a message: Whose team do you want to play on? Whether that means Hillary Clinton ’12, or just the Clintonista candidate, is unclear.

* Evan Bayh has done everything — not seek reelection to his office, raise a ton of money, pull together a campaign team — that one does before running for president. Bayh is a long-time Clintonista. Whether his role is a “rabbit” to let Hillary enter the race later (with VP as the reward), or the actual Clinton Camp candidate, also remains to be seen. If Bayh did not run, that would be noteworthy.

* Why did the HRC 2008 campaign, which still exists as an entity, send an email last week asking for hefty donations to retire her campaign debt? In return, the donor would receive a signed copy ($50 for paper, $250 for DVD) of her 2008 convention speech, in which, as the email reminds us, Hillary spoke of the “determination to keep going, often in the face of enormous obstacles.” The timing is curious. Is this a simple attempt to wipe out that debt by tapping into Hillary love agitated by the recent speculations? Or is a way to take bearings of the level of support?

* A pronounced break with obama on foreign policy, followed by a resignation, would be the strongest indicator of an impending run by Clinton. The State Dept. and White House have spatted frequently, most recently in September over Clinton’s comparison of the drug cartel situation in Mexico to that of Colombia two decades ago, but these differences have been smoothed over so far. A bungling of a flare-up in the Korean situation, however, or the White House dragging its feet on wikileaks, would provide more than sufficient cause for Clinton to break with obama. If she does, stay tuned.

Job Satisfaction

Of course Secretary of State is a job Clinton truly enjoys — dealing with other grown-ups who respect you, making a real impact in crucial global issues, serving as the face of the United States, stand in stark contrast to the pettiness, backstabbing, and general insanity of party politics. Hillary would no doubt enjoy being President, too. It’s the road to the White House that’s unpalatable. But here’s the deal:

1) We need Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee in 2012 — she’s the only one who can run both as a Democrat and against the obama legacy. She fought him in ’08, and by escaping the Senate, she is untainted by obama’s Superfund Site of toxic legislation. Her unique broad-based appeal can also help win back the demographics alienated by the obamalonians;

2) We know Hillary can win the general election. She currently owns the highest approvals of any potential candidate;

3) We know Hillary is eminently suited to fixing the dire condition of the Nation. There may be others, but she has proven her abilities;

4) Hillary knows all this, too.

Whatever her designs, she cannot make a single move so long as obama remains the presumptive nominee. Our first duty as true liberals is to ensure that Barry goes on permanent vacation. Then ask Hillary the question again.
http://trueliberalnexus.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/hillarys-cretan-dilemma/
214 honora 12.08.10 at 5:29 pm: Big Cat Lover– You are right. They are trying to box Hillary into the “I’m not running corner”. Once Oloser has decided not to seek a second term so that he can spend more time with his family and solve the world’s problems, Hillary will throw her hat into the ring.
215 stoney42 12.08.10 at 6:14 pm: Regarding paying down Hillary’s primary debt –

During the primary, I donated the maximum to Hillary’s campaign. After the primary, I received and e-mail asking if I would like to transfer my donation to Hillary’s 2012 campaign for the Senate? I said “yes” and did. After she left the Senate and became SOS, I never knew what happened to that money.
Did it go back to the primary fund? Does any Puma know?
216 Headclunker 12.08.10 at 6:37 pm: Stoney42 #215

That money would probably be in here:
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00358895
217 Headclunker 12.08.10 at 7:18 pm: What Next? A Message from the Kos! Bobot Land is in Meltdown.

XXXX,

A “deal” has been announced to extend all of the Bush tax cuts–including those for millionaires. Some deal.

But the fight isn’t over. Sign the petition–oppose the deal.

In the Senate, Bernie Sanders has promised to filibuster, and Dick Durbin has said “there is a group [of progressives] that may walk.”

In the House, several members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, led by Rep. Peter Welch, have already stated their opposition. The White House is so worried about support for the deal that it is sending Vice President Joe Biden to Capitol Hill to try and sell it.

The bottom line is that this is not a done deal. With the Daily Kos community voting 3-1 in opposition to the deal, we need to show our support for the progressive members of Congress who are not caving. Give them that support now by signing our petition, and sending words of encouragement. We’ll deliver your signatures at the end of the week.
http://campaigns.dailykos.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=16

Keep fighting,
Chris Bowers
Campaign Director, Daily Kos
218 Uppity Woman 12.08.10 at 7:37 pm: Have you seen the video The Lying One sent out to his mail list of wanning Faithful?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LhTzXqh7rvk
219 Zee 12.08.10 at 8:10 pm: Check out this link….one of several stories on Zero threatening Dems to fall in line with his “compromise.” He says it would be “borderline immoral” not to fall in line and warned the “recession would be back” (um, it went anywhere?).

Even Biden is out there saying “this is the deal, take it or leave it.”

But it’s most noteworthy for the picture ….scroll down…. Zero needs a certain someone by his side. Any guesses as to that strong public figure he needs by his side while he’s under attack? And I must say her smile looks….satisfied. Not a smirk, but definitely a cat got the canary look.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101209/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts
220 stoney42 12.08.10 at 8:20 pm: Headclunker #216

Thanks. Lots to sift through. All I could find was that I had donated a total of $25.00 as of Aug. 2008. I had donated $2,300. The money obviously had been shifted to Hillary’s 2012 Senate campaign fund and no longer in the Primary fund. Since Hillary is no longer in the Senate, where did the money go?

My computer crashed a few months ago. I had saved the info on the tranfer, but it was lost in the crash. All I remember is that the e-mails were from Terry McCaulif (sp?). Oh well.
221 Headclunker 12.08.10 at 10:25 pm: Stoney42 #220

Hillary is no longer in the Senate, but the Senate Fund still exists. She has her Senate funds as Friends of Hillary as well as the 2008 Presidential campaign fund. In other words, the money is in the bank.
222 PumaRhythm 12.09.10 at 7:32 am: Good Morning Murphy and Pumas!

goofsmom #156..
Thank you for your well wishes..I’m not 100%…but feeling better.

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Who didn’t see this coming..

“Unhappy Democrats say tax bill likely to pass”

“WASHINGTON — Slowly, painfully and reluctantly, congressional Democrats are slogging their way toward acceptance of President Barack Obama’s tax cut compromise, which would let rich and poor Americans keep Bush-era tax cuts that were scheduled to expire this month.”
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20101208/US.Tax.Cuts/

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I expect this sh*t from the Repubs…
but why do I still feel like someone has hit me in the gut..when I see the Dems do it?
It still hurts and I should know better by now!
I left the party in June 08..and I will only go back to vote for Hillary in a primary!

%*&$#ing Party Hijacking &#$$holes

pleeeez run Hillary.

also ..Thanks BigCatLover for the link at 213!!

bbl ((Pumas))
things to do.
223 Notyoursweetie 12.09.10 at 7:56 am: The Morning Sneese: Mother Jones tries to shift the blame for Jane Crow/Stupakistan on the Rs
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/the-morning-sneeze-2/
224 Notyoursweetie 12.09.10 at 7:58 am: Oops! That was “Sneeze”
225 PumaRhythm 12.09.10 at 7:59 am: also..

from John Smarts blog…

“Blog talk show bullet points.”
Posted on December 8, 2010 by JWS

Absolutely terrific show tonight. (Is that cocky? It was great because of the callers, Lynne, and Tamerlane) The discussion about the impending 2012 Democratic choice was terrific. The callers were intelligent and compelling. The show is available in the archive here. Go on then. Listen. It is a kicky good time.
http://johnwsmart.wordpress.com/

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I haven’t had time to listen to it yet..
but I will later today.

ok..bbl
226 Notyoursweetie 12.09.10 at 8:35 am: The tabloids are out and you won’t know if the Ds love or hate Obama’s tax deal by reading them
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/tabloidswiki-warfare-dems-hate-no-love-obamas-tax-deal/
227 Dragonfly 12.09.10 at 8:43 am: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8190871/WikiLeaks-cyberwar-hackers-bring-down-Swedish-government-site.html

Check this out – hackers shut down a government site and say they will continue to do so to keep the internet free
228 Dragonfly 12.09.10 at 9:44 am: okay, I’m guessing that Obama will have a sudden health problem and some man will be tapped to run for president for the Dems and that Sarah Palin will be tapped to run for pres for the Repubs. Any guesses as to the Dems? You know I hope it is Hillary, but considering the sexism in the party . . .
229 HP Boston 12.09.10 at 9:57 am: Dragonfly
I’M guessing that Obama will have a sudden health problem and
Biden will step in as/and run for president. I am guessing the fix is in and the the Republicans will run one of their #$%%^%holes.
Easy win for them since the new corporate drumbeat will flame the hate for Democrats and get what they want from their heros…Republicans. I hear the drums now…….
230 CatBalu 12.09.10 at 9:58 am: BigCatLover 12.08.10 at 4:55 pm
Food for thought on Hillary running for President again:
-snip
Reading Signs
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I think we are all looking for the slightest sign that she may still run. This may sound silly, but here is my sign. When Chelsea got married in a largely Jewish ceremony, I thought both Hillary and Bill would walk her down the aisle, since that would be totally in keeping with the tone. But she didn’t. It struck me that she might have gotten some flak from ignorami saying she has to usurp her husband, has to be in charge, etc. etc. Assuming these potential jabs entered her mind, I took that as a sign she is still considering running and wants to appear completely traditional and mainstream.
231 HP Boston 12.09.10 at 10:03 am: Oh and I hear(incredible) FOX and clowns PRAISING O’Fraud!!! They really want this crap bill passed in all it’s glory!!
232 Delle 12.09.10 at 10:35 am: Aretha Franklin has cancer:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/8190269/Aretha-Franklin-suffering-from-pancreatic-cancer.html

I know it’s never hopeless, but pancreatic cancer is difficult to fight. Aretha needs our prayers and good thoughts.
233 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 11:10 am: CatBalu 12.09.10 at 9:58 am
Good to see you again and your observation is very interesting. I will watch how she handles sticky public situations that she could catch political flak for more closely. I wonder how traditional Chelsea’s husband (and his family) is.

HP
Biden was my first thought too. He’s a lightweight that could be maneuvered how they want him but has some credibility with liberal dems, even though many of us see him as hopeless. But, the dems don’t care what we think.
234 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 11:55 am: House dems voted not to bring up the tax cut deal in the House. The House is currently in recess. (c-span)
235 CatBalu 12.09.10 at 12:02 pm: BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 11:10 am

CatBalu 12.09.10 at 9:58 am
Good to see you again and your observation is very interesting.
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Thanks. We Cats have to stick together!
236 HP Boston 12.09.10 at 12:04 pm: Looks like it may be a game of let em think we tried (dems) let it go to a vote when the repubs take the House, they will pass it and be the usual ratfinks!
237 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 12:38 pm: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tax_cuts
WASHINGTON – House Democrats voted Thursday to reject President Barack Obama’s tax deal with Republicans in its current form, but it was unclear how significantly the package might need to be changed.

By voice vote in a closed caucus meeting, Democrats passed a resolution saying the tax package should not come to the House floor for consideration as written, even though no formal House bill has been drafted. Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., introduced the resolution.

Said Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas: “If it’s take it or leave it, we’ll leave it.”

Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., said “it’s a pretty clear message. We don’t like the bill.”

The vote will at least temporarily stall what had seemed to be a grudging Democratic movement toward the tax package. Before the caucus vote took place, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Obama’s tax compromise embodies “the objective we need to reach” even though Democrats dislike several components.

“We’re going to have an increase in taxes on working Americans … if we continue to have gridlock,” Hoyer, a Maryland Democrat, said on MSNBC.

But the the voice vote in the caucus was quite lopsided. Rep. Shelley Berkley of Nevada told reporters afterward that “one person voted against it. That would be me.”

Asked what happens next, Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, the No. 3 person in the Democratic leadership, said, “I don’t know. Well wait and see.”

Speaking earlier Thursday at a White House event promoting American exports, Obama said the vote will determine whether the economy “moves forward or backward.”

The president again pressed Congress to pass the agreement, saying it has the potential to create millions of jobs. He said if it fails, Americans would see smaller paychecks and fewer jobs.

But Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., said “the jury is still out” on the measure’s enactment because many Democrats are furious over an estate tax provision.

(more at link)
238 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 12:52 pm: WASHINGTON – House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer says Democrats have no choice but to fall in line behind the tax cut compromise that President Barack Obama negotiated with congressional Republicans.

Hoyer tells MSNBC in an interview that continuing to fight the deal because it includes cuts for the wealthy would be to put the middle-class and lower tax bracket people at risk and also jeopardize the jobless who badly need unemployment benefits.

The Maryland Democrat said Democrats have enough votes in the House to again pass a measure without tax breaks for the rich, including the estate tax relief, but that there’s a solid wall of 41 Republicans in the Senate who would block it there. He said, “We don’t want to put the nonwealthy in our country at such risk.”
239 Notyoursweetie 12.09.10 at 2:26 pm: Like the sleezy secondary mortgage operators, Obama’s operatives are invoking the fine print
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/hey-os-you-shouda-read-the-fine-print-now-you-lose/
240 goofsmom 12.09.10 at 3:13 pm: Cross posting – This was written by FLBarbara

“I am sitting here in the most excruciating physical pain caused by my fractured clavical, broken collarbone.

Me, the author of many posts about violence against women is sitting here with a broken collarbone unable to move without pain, a victim of violence. The target of some ones rage, someone’s inability to comprehend “keep your hands to yourself”
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http://freemenow.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/from-a-broken-heart/
________________________

(((((FLBarbara)))))

I am sending you love and prayers. XOXOXO
241 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 3:31 pm: England’s Prince Charles and Camilla were attacked in their Rolls Royce by student protestors protesting the vote today in Parliament to double, then triple college costs put forward by the new Conservative government to cut the British deficet. A side window in the car was broken and the back of the car damaged. The royals were on their way to a performance at the Palladium when attacked and arrived at their destination unhurt. The protests are ongoing and several govt. buildings have been damaged. (Fox News)
242 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 3:41 pm: goofsmom
So the attack was on FLBarbara by another woman who is a friend? How horrible. Once the shock wears off, she needs to check out legal action to wake the other woman up to what she did. Trying to heal from a broken bone is long and painful, but it’s important to take care of the rest of your body since it can affect the rest of your healh and immune system. It took me months to stop suffering seemingly unrelated illnesses after I broke my big toe this summer, even though the toe itself healed just fine. I’m just now starting to feel better in general.
243 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 3:51 pm: Senate currently voting on repeal of DADT.
http://www.c-span.org
244 PumaRhythm 12.09.10 at 3:59 pm: Thx BCL..

watching it on teevee now.
245 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 4:06 pm: DADT does not get 3/5 votes and does not pass.
246 PumaRhythm 12.09.10 at 4:12 pm: Yep..

%#^%@#ing %#$@holes
247 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 4:22 pm: Hmmm, Hillaryis 44 is now down. It was up 2 minutes ago and down now. Stay tuned.
248 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 4:32 pm: Hillaryis44 back up.
249 PumaRhythm 12.09.10 at 4:32 pm: #240 goofsmom

OMG FlaBarbara..
I am so sorry this happened to you. Please know that I am thinking of you and keeping you in my prayers.You are a wonderful woman and this world is very lucky to have you…please be well.

XOXOXO
PumaRhythm (patti)
250 PumaRhythm 12.09.10 at 5:04 pm: #248 BigCatLover..”Hillaryis44 back up.”

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LOLLOL…

Big Pink is Smokin today!!

“Rat Bastard Racists – Where’s The Party Unity Now?”

http://www.hillaryis44.org/2010/12/08/rat-bastard-racists-wheres-the-party-unity-now/#comments
251 RememberNovember 12.09.10 at 5:48 pm: FLBarbara – I am so sorry this has happened to you – you are in my thoughts and I hope your physical and emotional pain will soon be eased. Sending a gentle hug…
252 RememberNovember 12.09.10 at 5:50 pm: Dragonfly – if you check in here, I left a couple of links for you a couple days ago (in the cabin/cottage) about toxicology research in the Gulf
253 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 8:33 pm: Westboro Church says it will picket Elizabeth Edwards funeral (CNN). I assume these are the nuts that protest at the servicemen/women’s funerals.
254 TexasTigress 12.09.10 at 8:43 pm: BCL

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/elizabeth-edwards-funeral-westboro-baptist-church_n_794333.html

Fuck Fred Phelps
255 BigCatLover 12.09.10 at 8:59 pm: TT
“When they were visited from the Most High God with the death of their 16-year-old son, they did not humble themselves before His mighty hand. They reared up in rage, decided they would show God who is boss, and meddled in matters of the womb, resulting in 2 more children — now motherless.”
(from your link at HuffPost)
Are they referring to the fact that Elizabeth was near 50 when she had her younger children and implying that she used medical help to get pregnant. Pretty offensive, this group!
256 DancesWithPumas 12.09.10 at 10:24 pm: My read is that phelps was saying (his) god, by taking their 16 year old, was telling them they didnt deserve to have children and they went ahead and had them anyway, and (his punishing) god punished her for “crimes of the womb” by giving her cancer.
257 DancesWithPumas 12.09.10 at 10:25 pm: Yet another sick twisted mutant.
258 HP Boston 12.09.10 at 10:26 pm: The media is having a field day! The 3 ring circus in DC is running amuck the elephants and the jackasses are off their meds!!! Send Phelps to DC to pray for the misfits, better yet send Phelps and his idiots to HELL!!!
259 HP Boston 12.09.10 at 10:33 pm: (((((FLBarbara)))))
This is so damn sad, it pains me to know you are hurt.
I am so sorry to hear of your pain.
260 HP Boston 12.09.10 at 10:35 pm: DancesWithPumas 12.09.10 at 10:25 pm

Yet another sick twisted mutant.

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Dances it is an epidemic!
261 DancesWithPumas 12.09.10 at 10:36 pm: HP
Yup.
262 Zee 12.09.10 at 10:42 pm: goofsmom. thank you so much for informing us of FL Barbara’s unbelievable ordeal.

(((FL Barbara))) So sorry for both your physical pain and inner pain.

It sounds so simple…when someone tells you who they are, believe them…but sometimes our hearts have spun an idealistic version of who the person really is. May your strength of heart carry you through and your healing be swift.

Trying not to be horrified….but I will say you remind me of a strong woman I’ve only known online who survived and overcame the most shocking heartache and loss. And I believe you will maintain and emerge with your same grace, strength, and many other attributes which inspire others from afar.

I don’t know if my thoughts and best wishes can help, but I do know there are many sending you the same…and hoping it does help.
263 Zee 12.09.10 at 10:44 pm: Oh, gawd, I will be sick if I think about Phelps….ef him sideways….

His group just protested at Brandeis for some crazy unfathomable reason.

I will lose it if he intrudes on Elizabeth’s funeral….damn it…
264 Zee 12.09.10 at 10:45 pm: #256 dances

……words fail
265 Zee 12.09.10 at 10:50 pm: ok, fine. Words don’t fail.

This is the second time I’ve heard that somehow the decision to have more kids late in life caused Elizabeth to get cancer.

Some lowlife put it in vulgar terms I won’t repeat, and I never looked up whether or not she went on any kind of hormones in order to conceive her later children.

Well, get this straight, it was John Edwards who wanted more kids and I have no idea if it was because the *son* had died, but it wasn’t god punishing Elizabeth…it just never ends, this blaming the woman. Insanity, sheer insanity, the “order” of the world.
266 HP Boston 12.09.10 at 11:11 pm: Zee I know I know….I am trying not to lose it…………imagine any god making mutants such as these!
267 invalidresponse 12.09.10 at 11:29 pm: Zee 12.09.10 at 10:45 pm ……words fail
Zee 12.09.10 at 10:50 pm ok, fine. Words don’t fail.

And THAT your honor is what I love about her!!
268 invalidresponse 12.09.10 at 11:45 pm: well I have trouble believing that her having children is the REAL reason that hate group is choosing to protest her funeral. I submit for your consideration a link to her speech at the San Francisco HRC dinner… You decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-W44rayGAc
269 Notyoursweetie 12.10.10 at 12:23 am: Uh-oh! Scaaary!
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/uh-oh-the-left-establishment-is-writing-a-letter-to-itself/
270 Zee 12.10.10 at 1:25 am: Thank you, invalid and HP!

I have to wait to view the youtube…my house is so quiet at night, can’t disturb the housemates.

But!!! I have had it with whoever blames Elizabeth for whatever reason.

IF, and I don’t know and don’t seek to know, Elizabeth’s death was connected to her decision to have children later in life…I lay that at John’s feet.

And then that wasn’t good enough for him…

I could go on. But it would not be pretty.
271 Zee 12.10.10 at 1:34 am: PumaRhythm

I’m going to have to come back

The ratbastard text is just too rich.

omg. I have to say….I did give slack to one sincere sweet friend of mine who is sincerely lamenting his blind support.

Only since he is the last person ever to dish out hate I forgive his blindness…but other friends of mine who pride themselves on intelligence but are catty bastards will get no such pass.

I can already see how I can shove their ratbastard stances down their choking throats and give no mercy.

Most will get no mercy. Told-you-so is taking on a holy mission aura.
272 invalidresponse 12.10.10 at 9:43 am: Olbermann airs first major “we told you so” from union leader that backed Hillary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kmqCLx08Ic
273 Dragonfly 12.10.10 at 1:44 pm: thanks, Remember November – I’ll look for the links.

FL Barbara, I hope you feel better soon! (((FL Barbara)))