Last evening at 5:32pm was the Vernal Solstice, just about the exact moment I took this pic of fairies in my yard, though I didn't know about my propitious timing then. Go outside, no matter the weather where you are, and say a hundred thousand welcomes to Spring!o
CNN reports that House Dems have the necessary 216 votes to pass the bill. Barely. Keep the pressure on. There’s a good chance an “unfaithful elector” might be hiding out in the Dem ranks, expected to vote Yes, who goes ahead and votes No to Nancy’s everlasting consternation. obama’s approval numbers are up a bit today. My guess is that people are willing to give the guy credit for standing and fighting rather than running off on another Presidential junket. There will be a siphon effect however if this bill does, in fact, pass. Expect his number to break the -21 point next week.
Kat brought up several good questions and points about the bill this morning. Most importantly, that people really have no idea what the hell it all means. Will those of us who have insurance be forced to pay an excise tax? Will the insurance companies REALLY be prevented from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions?
I don’t trust this Congress or this president as far as I can kick them. So leaving the Stupak Abomination out of the equation entirely, I still whole heartedly want this bill to die.
What are you worried about with this legislation? What do you think it does right, if anything? That’s an important question because if, please goddess, this piece of crap legislation DOES die today, we still need to reform the health care/insurance mess in this country. There are millions of hard working, upstanding American citizens who are a credit to their communities and either cannot afford or have zero access to health insurance. If the bill dies we can’t just declare victory, brush the problems under the carpet, and move on. We need to know what a good reform bill would look like? What are the top 5 priorities for reform? If we know that then we can make good choices in November about whom to vote for without being vulnerable to the panic-mongering from the Right and the straight-out lying from the Left.
What’s on your mind about health care? This bill as well as what might come after it if it fails?
We’ll be live blogging the actual voting later on today, but in the meantime, let’s discuss. And for those of you watching the debates on TV, please post updates and/or links.
Happy Spring!
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theamericanway 03.21.10 at 10:46 am
Specifics aside, the whole thing reminds me of the revived KMart layaway plan. Pay now, receive later. Who the hell knows what they’ll be doing with the money they are receiving?
Like all of you, I’m so hoping that this thing somehow fails today. And if that miracle should occur, I’d point out to the DC Elite that it takes the consideration of the whole country to get things right. (That would be a modified take on Hillary’s ‘It Takes A Village. Wise woman that she is.)
scarlet 03.21.10 at 10:50 am
Kat – all the answers to your questions are in the health care bill. It is posted on the 411 on the 111 pumapac forum.
murphy 03.21.10 at 10:51 am
good point scarlet. here’s the link:
http://pumapac.org/forums/411-on-the-111/
scarlet 03.21.10 at 10:52 am
Pre-existing conditions are in Section 1101 page 45 here:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3590eas.txt.pdf
Pre-existing conditions as determined in a manner consistent with guidelines issued by the Secretary…$5 billion to pay for claims in excess of the amount paid in premiums…Secretary has authority to stop taking applications for participation to comply with funding limitations.
The next section 1102 is Reinsurance for Early Retirees
The rest of the 2000 pages tell you what you may want to know about this bill, but a lot of stuff will be determined by the Secretary after the bill passes.
Delle 03.21.10 at 10:56 am
But, but, but . . . . where’s the separation?
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20100321/NEWS02/3210339/Census+officials++volunteers+vow+to+count+all+on+Gulf+Coast
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 10:59 am
What the pundits have been saying about pre-existing conditions in short form:
Cannot deny children with pre-existing condtions immediately after enactment of the bill.
Cannot deny others with pre-existing condtions several years after enactment, but can put them in a high risk pool and charge then higher rates and give them fewer benefits. In other words, they can be charged so much that they will opt out of coverage as a high risk person, so protection for people with pre-existing conditions could be non existent in reality.
Dragonfly 03.21.10 at 11:02 am
scarlet, you are extraordinary! the 411 forum is awesome.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 11:06 am
c-span is coverig the hc bill process live all day today with interviews with legislators, news people and hearings like the Reconciliation meetings held yesterday in Congress by the Rules Committee.
http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx
Dragonfly 03.21.10 at 11:08 am
Delle – I am in the panhandle of Florida, historically undercounted. A big push is going on down here to get everyone counted.
on the census, does anyone else think the questions are intrusive? I didn’t really have a problem with them because I understand they are trying to keep statistics on race and also count all Native Americans (of which I am 1/16 but my ancestress passed as white because it was illegal to be an Indian!!!)
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 11:09 am
Rep John Larson was on abc This Week and claimed the dems have the votes now. Steny Hoyer was on Meet the Press and said they will have the votes but would not say they have the votes now. Hmmm.
Silence Dogood 03.21.10 at 11:19 am
1) Put people in charge of the purchase of their own healthcare. Companies can still provide the amount of money they already spend to each employee.
2) Unlimited HSA’s
3) People get to keep the savings. If you can get an MRI for $500 instead of $1500…. wouldn’t you do it? Do you spend extra for anything, if you find a better price?
We do this and the medical industry will advertise… just like lawyers, and accountants. We’ll get price lists for medical services. Some will offer package specials (like Spa services).
Inefficiencies will driven out of the marketplace. With this we can put the aame oversight into the poor. Insure them, subsidize them, and get them services for less money.
The fact is that when the consumer doesn’t see or care about costs, they will never go down. The govt takeover plan will not address costs, except through rationing and doctor fees. That would be a disaster, we need more doctors right now, not less. The amount of doctors leaving the field would be staggering.
Here is what Indiana did… and costs went down.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704231304575091600470293066.html
Dragonfly 03.21.10 at 11:22 am
I’m reading the bill. I see what you mean by the Commissioner’s power, scarlet.
so far, one thing I see I don’t like is on page 20. Premiums may be based on age, so long as the highest premiums is no more than twice the lowest premium. it may be that the commissioner gets to set the rates – still trying to figure that out. on page 22, Braley gets what she wants. there will be a report done on the law in 18 months regarding whether the law includes incentives to small businesses and employers to self insure (not desirable) and whether the law encourages “adverse selection” which is not defined. I assume that there will then be amendments if the study shows that self insuring and adverse selection are encouraged by the law.
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 11:30 am
OT (apologies)
Liz Carpenter, Journalist, Feminist and Johnson Aide, Dies at 89
By ENID NEMY
Liz Carpenter, who spent much of her life working the corridors of power in Washington as a newspaper reporter, an aide to Lyndon B. Johnson when he was vice president and press secretary to Lady Bird Johnson during her years in the White House, died on Saturday in Austin, Tex. She was 89.
The cause of death was pneumonia.
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A dedicated feminist, Ms. Carpenter was a founder of the National Women’s Political Caucus and joint chairwoman of ERAmerica, an organization that unsuccessfully fought for ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment in the 1970s.
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She was in the motorcade in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, when Kennedy was assassinated. She wrote the brief speech Mr. Johnson delivered at the foot of Air Force One when he returned to Washington as the 36th president. (“This is a sad time for all people,” he said, adding, “I ask for your help — and God’s.”)
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In 1971, out of the White House, Ms. Carpenter turned her energy to women’s causes, including the fight for an Equal Rights Amendment. Her efforts to establish the National Women’s Political Caucus grew out of a commitment to seeing more women elected to state and federal posts.
Earlier, Ms. Carpenter was a prime mover in the battle to permit women to join the National Press Club, which had been an important institution in Washington for reporters as well as politicians since its founding in 1908. Before being accepted as members, women with press credentials fought to be admitted at least to the club luncheons at which visiting heads of state customarily appeared.
“We made a great breakthrough in 1956,” Helen Thomas, a reporter who has covered Washington since World War II, once recalled. “Liz Carpenter got them to agree to let us sit in the balcony of the ballroom, in purdah, and listen to the luncheon speaker as we looked down on our press colleagues and the public relations men and the lobbyists as they ate.”
It was not until 1971 that women were admitted as members.
In her 1987 memoir “Getting Better All the Time,” Ms. Carpenter credited Eleanor Roosevelt with helping to open doors for women in the press. It was Mrs. Roosevelt, she said, who forced the wire services to hire women by allowing only women to cover her news conferences and who saw to it that “the stories were about substance, not hats.” Ms. Carpenter was among the reporters at one of those events.
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more (much more) about Liz Carpenter at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/us/politics/21carpenter.html?hpw
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 11:36 am
Silence Dogood 03.21.10 at 11:19 am
Well, the conservative viewpoint is the first to be posted here – that is patient’s must be responsible for all hc cost reductions and must protect themselves. And I can’t believe anyone still touts the old rubrick that the industry will regulate itself through the marketplace (ineffeciencys will be driven out of the marketplace). Where is the responisbility of the hc industry to reduce costs and make efficiencys.
Health care is out of hand because it has become one of our huge industries and therefore, became a monster. The new additions onto all of our local large hospitals (5) and the explosion in small boutique hospitals in my area is mind boggling. That is happening because hospitals, many doctor practices and health insurance is being handled as big businesses – translated that means, big profits, big profits, big profits.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 11:38 am
DWP
Writing about a woman here is never off topic.
sistermoon3 03.21.10 at 11:44 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/opinion/21holtz-eakin.html
that article discusses the CBO report on cost and deficits
My biggest problem other than them stealing from Medicare
is the iRS involvement in our lives will be consuming thus the part where they have to add 15,000 workers to it’s work force and i doubt that will be enough really. I dont know if
it’s really gonna pass the house today, but if it does we know how it was done, there again I have a problem with IRS
being such an intregal part of it.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 11:45 am
There is a capitol hill policeman watching the crowd of protestors outside the capitol (both for and against the bill) with a German Shepherd police dog. That strikes me as excessive since the crowd is completely orderly and standing along the fence in an row about 3 deep.
sistermoon3 03.21.10 at 11:46 am
ooops, never forget this, why doesnt congress want to be apart of this plan, does that mean they wont be overseen by the IRS, they will not have to worry about it. We know there was a report that many govt employees havent paid their taxes, why is that?
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 11:46 am
Oh that is on http://www.c-span.org.
Dragonfly 03.21.10 at 11:51 am
to respond to the post, here are my priorities:
every single person has medical care as determined by his or her doctor regardless of preexisting conditions
every doctor and hospital and nurse is paid adequately for their services so that patients are not treated like numbers but like people (see Great Britain) either by the government or by health insurance companies, which are non-profit entities
efficient rates of care are determined via regulations after comments and studies regarding health care costs are taken into account with exceptions provided for doctors and hospitals where expensive equipment or medical school debt is driving the cost up, or cost of living.
non profit entities do not get to establish rates for premiums. Rather, rates are based on your tax bracket. employers who provide the coverage get beneficial tax treatment, but they are not punished for failing to do so.
the premium cost is either part of your tax payment (if government provided and you are required to pay taxes) or you pay it to the non-profit company directly – it is deductible on your taxes. those with government provided care either owe nothing becuase of their bracket or pay it as part of their taxes because of their high income.
no HSAs are necessary because there are no copays – you pay the premium (which is based on your tax bracket) and you are not charged for anything else.
pharmaceuticals: patents are eliminated. R&D may be done only by non-profit institutions and selected businesses where employment opportunities can be created. Big Pharm – no more. Grants and subsidies will be available to small businesses for research as well as to educational institutions and non profit organizations. the cost of drugs will be based on people’s tax bracket. There will not be one more elderly person or diabetic going without their meds!!!!
how to pay for it? stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Put the same money appropriated for the wars (97 billion, I think) into a trust fund so that there is an income and a principal protected for future generations. Also, treat all health insurance companies who have rescinded coverage of any individual for an innocent mistake or otherwise dropped a person when they were sick when there was no fraud as white collar criminals and disgorge their profits, including the individual executives. all of their bonus money and the profits will be added to the trust fund. shareholders have remedies against the board of directors for any of their remaining assets.
that’s more than 5, but couldn’t stop myself.
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 11:53 am
BCL
…And I can’t believe anyone still touts the old rubrick that the industry will regulate itself through the marketplace (ineffeciencys will be driven out of the marketplace).
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like the banking, mortgage, stock, and auto industries? This administration rewards inefficiencies… the same way the DNC rewarded the inexperienced loser by dragging his worthless sorry ass through the primaries and over the finish line, ultimately rewarding the lying fraud with the Presidency.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 11:56 am
Dragonfly 03.21.10 at 11:51 am
Interesting and comprehensive suggestions you list but who are the non-profits that you mention several times. I’ve been sick so my brain is barely working today.
c-span reports that MSNBC is reporting that Bart Stupak is now a Yes vote for the hc bill.
invalidresponse 03.21.10 at 12:01 pm
……..Breaking news………..
Bart Stupak is a yes…. it’s over folks
invalidresponse 03.21.10 at 12:03 pm
Rancho 03.21.10 at 12:03 pm
I’m in and out my stomach is in knots
As stated in Peacocks and lilies, http://peacocksandlilies.com/
We interrupt this March Women’s History Month to bring you this report of the continued complete collapse of support among Democrats for women.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/03/20/general-us-health-overhaul-abortion-talks_7451522.html?boxes=financechannelAP
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 12:05 pm
Dennis somebody of Roll Call is explaining that when the votes begin in the House shortly there will be a series of small votes to verify that swing votes are still with the dems on hc. This preliminary debate session will last for 1 hour. He advised listening to how Bart Stupack votes to verify that he will vote Yes on the final hc vote later today. The House proceedings are on c-span. I want to watch Marcy Kaptur of Ohio who just agreed to support the hc bill.
http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx
scarlet 03.21.10 at 12:08 pm
Dsances – like the banking, mortgage, stock, and auto industries? This administration rewards inefficiencies…
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And the previous Administration…
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 12:17 pm
invalidresponse 03.21.10 at 12:01 pm
……..Breaking news………..
Bart Stupak is a yes…. it’s over folks
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The ‘conventenial wisdom’ is that the dems will not call a vote on the hc bill until they are sure they have the votes. So watch to see if they actually call a vote. Oh wait, Donna Brazile on CNN just said they have the votes and we know she never lies. Hahahaha.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 12:18 pm
Bart Stupak just told CNN that he is still a No. (Donna Bash). Don’t lose heart yet.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 12:19 pm
Sorry, that’s Dana Bash on CNN.
sistermoon3 03.21.10 at 12:21 pm
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YThlYjRjMjIwMGQwYzRhYjA1NGIyNzU1OWJkMzNkZDI=
you really have to read the last lines, it’s just too damned funny
Rancho 03.21.10 at 12:25 pm
BCL
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/03/pelosi_rejects_stupak_but_an_e.html
Democratic lawmakers say party leaders are considering winning crucial support from abortion foes for health care overhaul legislation with an executive order by President Barack Obama.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 12:27 pm
Pelosi appearing in front of the press smiling and projecting that winning quality. Why don’t I believe her? Are they just trying to project the impression that they have the votes when they don’t really have them. We’ll see.
Zee 03.21.10 at 12:28 pm
I am reading these posts through squinted eyes, quickly. I’m beyond infuriated at the Stupak measures and possible executive orders to mollify the antiabortionists. I don’t even know what to hope for. If they “defeat” the Stupak measure, they will declare “victory” even tho anti-woman measures will still stand. So I kind of hope for the worst, so that maybe it will be enough to collapse support for this mess. Ugh.
Meanwhile….gorgeous picture, Murphy.
And Happy Spring….it’s the Equinox, btw. 
Has anyone stood an egg on its end?
Rancho 03.21.10 at 12:31 pm
The White House is continuing to negotiate with Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) on an executive order to specify that no federal funding will be used for abortion services created or covered by the pending health care reform bill, Stupak said Sunday morning.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/03/21/white-house-still-negotiating-with-abortion-foes-for-health-care/
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 12:32 pm
If I understand correctly, they can’t change anything in the bill and must vote on the bill exactly as written or they open a whole new can of worms. But the can promise to use an Executive Order signed by O to change provisons after it passes. Why anyone would believe a promise by O is beyond me.
scarlet 03.21.10 at 12:40 pm
Silence Dogood 03.21.10 at 11:19 am
1) Put people in charge of the purchase of their own healthcare. Companies can still provide the amount of money they already spend to each employee.
2) Unlimited HSA’s
3) People get to keep the savings. If you can get an MRI for $500 instead of $1500…. wouldn’t you do it? Do you spend extra for anything, if you find a better price?
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That’s exactly what I did. Every year for 20 years, I put $15,000 in a health account (not through the government or an insurance company). During the 20 years, I spent about $10,000 on yearly physical and mammograms and some prescriptions for anitbiotics for cold, flu, whatever.
So, I still have the money in my health savings account plus all the interest. If I had paid $300-500 a month for health insurance, they would have the money that I didn’t use and it would have been in the pocket of some CEO.
The mistake I made was not having a catastrophic policy although I didn’t need it during that time.
My daughter is doing the same thing. She is putting $5000 a year into a health savings account and pays $100 a month for a $5000 deductible catastrophic policy. So, in two years of doing this, she has $10,000 rather than the insurance company having it – well, minus what she paid for her mammogram and check-up.
Just heard on the radio that mammograms for women under 50 will not be paid for. It was on Blago’s radio show. If true, my daughter would have to pay for her own mammogram anyhow whether she has insurance or not since she is way under 50.
prplvette85 03.21.10 at 12:42 pm
Just heard on the radio that mammograms for women under 50 will not be paid for. It was on Blago’s radio show. If true, my daughter would have to pay for her own mammogram anyhow whether she has insurance or not since she is way under 50.
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that is true. My daughter will also have to pay.
Rancho 03.21.10 at 12:43 pm
BCL
EXACTLY (But I could see him do this just to get what he wants because he knows that this bill is a referendum on his presidency, and hopefully the outraged, awakened DO NOT WAIT until November!
sistermoon3 03.21.10 at 12:46 pm
do you really think obama for one minute will want to lose female voters, give me afreaking break, never believe him, never forget he is liar in chief
scarlet 03.21.10 at 12:48 pm
Whole Foods does the HSA and high deductible…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 12:49 pm
Major Garrot of Fox News got an email from Bart Stupak’s assistant that he has not agreed to a deal at this point. But that he does want to vote for the bill. Wonder what he is holding out for?
scarlet 03.21.10 at 12:55 pm
Leaving for a party now. Looking forward to coming home this evening and reading all the updates on here about the health care bill.
sistermoon3 03.21.10 at 1:10 pm
http://tanner.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=565:tanner-statement-on-health-care-vote&catid=7:press-releases&Itemid=41
one dem’s explanation of why he is no vote
prplvette85 03.21.10 at 1:10 pm
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 12:49 pm
Major Garrot of Fox News got an email from Bart Stupak’s assistant that he has not agreed to a deal at this point. But that he does want to vote for the bill. Wonder what he is holding out for?
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I think he is holding out to see an executive order written out and signed by the fraud before he votes yes.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 1:13 pm
Fox is showing Nancy Pelosie walking through the protestors carrying a huge ceremonial gavel surrounded by a large group of dem legislators who are surrounding and protecting her. What is she thinking? This is so in your face and unnecessary, I think she’s lost her mind. She has a huge grin on her face and the only reason she would be doing this is to make a statement. There’s no reason for her to be outside the capitol and walking through the crowd when the House is in session. If she doesn’t get defeated in November, I will not understand why.
sistermoon3 03.21.10 at 1:20 pm
TonyFratto Pelosi will use the 1965 “Medicare” gavel today – always the right choice when creating new fiscally unsustainable entitlement programs.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 1:31 pm
Patrick Kennedy on Cspan right now, saying no memorial or eulogy could honor his father more than passage of HC Bill…
Unfreakingbelievable… Country and citizens should be forced into this HC program to honor his dad…
Idiots!
prplvette85 03.21.10 at 1:36 pm
Goofs,
I saw that! and he was just yelling, sounded like the fuckwit he is.. hanging on Kennedy coattails.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 1:40 pm
Update from CSPAN – They don’t expect vote on actual bills till about 7 PM EST.
Rules vote approximately 5 PM EST. Then 2 hours of debate, followed by the Senate HC Bill vote. After the Senate HC Bill is either approved or denied, then the vote on the House HC Modification Bill.
Long day….
Swannie 03.21.10 at 1:41 pm
would it be wrong of me to hope nancy drops that gavel on her toe and has to go to the ER for xrays?
prplvette85 03.21.10 at 1:41 pm
I have so much to do, and I can’t tear myself away from the freakin remote.
the repub from Wisconsin, Paul Ryan brought up some good points, he had a chart on how this bill is going to destroy our economy, He is talking about his wife who is in remission from stage 5 ovarian cancer and how she will not get the care she needs. The same with my daughter.
Kill this fucking bill….
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 1:44 pm
prplvette,
#49 – They really need to give POLs some classes on how to speak when you are on a mic. No reason to yell everyone can hear you.
Idiots
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 1:49 pm
(((Prplvette)))
#52 – I didn’t know about your daughter. Love and prayers to all of you.
Headclunker 03.21.10 at 1:50 pm
Do you suppose some Christians would find it offensive that this vote is being held on Sunday?
In your face.
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 1:56 pm
Fox just announced that Stupak is possibly making a deal with the crooks, and if he gets the wording that has already been used 8 times before, he will vote yes.
I hope Stupak and his band of pro-life people don’t get what they want so this freakin’ bill is stopped. I can’t believe funding abortion is the one issue that is keeping these idiots apart. Never mind the payoffs to big pharma and the insurance industry, never mind the debt we are in from their spending, their Micky Mouse accounting…
I am ticked off at this entire bill, it’s smoke and mirrors, payoffs, ramming though and all the Dems that try to say what a great bill it is.
I will never prowl to Nasty, never ask her to do anything but get the hell outta Dodge.
Vote all the bums out!!!!!
If this corrupt bill passes, don’t worry, Nancy, Reid and the Fruad will push more though in this same manner before November because they know they are dead ducks after that.
sistermoon3 03.21.10 at 1:57 pm
headclunker, i do, but im a minority im quite sure, i just think if they had all given it day of rest, they would have all come to floor with a more sensible sense of reality, it really would have made a better day for monday, that is how i feel about it but i guess they wanted all americans to be all “government” will take care of you today
normapapuma 03.21.10 at 2:11 pm
In reference to Silence Dogood’s 1st point-Theoretically, portability through personal ownership of medical policies is what would control the market prices, not so much the insurance companies desires. People would not be forced to accept a company’s one-size-fits-all policy and would refuse to buy anything they couldn’t afford, therefore insurers would compete to lower prices in order to make more sales.
I wonder if it was ever that way before?
I also wonder if this isn’t considered because it would hurt unions who trumpet “negotiated benefits” with employers.
Also, could say, for example, PUMAs, get together and negotiate a deal for insurance if everybody had their own money up front from employers, instead of “benefits”.
normapapuma 03.21.10 at 2:16 pm
OOPS. I fell downstairs!
normapapuma 03.21.10 at 2:15 pm
Billie Jo
http://novemberiscoming.com
My Congressman is voting NO. If only I could vote everywhere.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 2:18 pm
For those not watching C-Span. They passed HR 1203.
H.R. 1203: Federal and Military Retiree Health Care Equity Act
To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow Federal civilian and military retirees to pay health insurance premiums on a pretax basis and to allow a deduction for TRICARE supplemental premiums.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1203
Senate will still have to vote on this.
sistermoon3 03.21.10 at 2:18 pm
Next, Obama will wont to have “In Government we Trust” on all monies
sistermoon3 03.21.10 at 2:19 pm
and nancy will drag another be long ass gavel into the congress and be sweating LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Zee 03.21.10 at 2:19 pm
Good point, headclunker, 55. I find it offensive and I’m not even Christian. How come they’re doing this on a weekend?
“I can’t believe funding abortion is the one issue that is keeping these idiots apart.” Me either, BillieJo. They framed it completely wrong. It’s a privacy issue, not a moral one. And so this is eclipsing all of the vital issues that should be discussed instead.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 2:21 pm
Republican in the House has raised a pariamentary inquiry that seems to have caught the dems off balance and the acting speaker (maybe Jesse Jackson Jr) will not answer the inquiry.
http://www.c-span.org
Zee 03.21.10 at 2:22 pm
((((prplvette))))) #52
I know. What’s the point of this smoke and mirrors. And…this is so galling….Fraudbama’s OWN MOM died of ovarian cancer. And I kid you not….the one time I stomached watching this mess, they were USING his mom’s death to explain how much Opiccolo *cares* and *why* he “cares.”
sistermoon3 03.21.10 at 2:22 pm
#60 goofs, great that is just an example how there could be many bipartisan ways to improve the healthcare without this huge bill with everything but butterflies covered in it.
The should do each of these steps working on better quality and reducing cost
Zee 03.21.10 at 2:37 pm
#56 BillieJo
“I hope Stupak and his band of pro-life people don’t get what they want so this freakin’ bill is stopped.”
I just can’t wrap my head around this. Shouldn’t it be the opposite??? Shouldn’t it be if Stupak gets want he wants then there is an uprising and a balking and a refusal to throw women under the bus???? What are they, 3/5 a citizen?
Are we all going to get to pick and choose what legal medical procedure our fellow and sister citizens get? What if I believe if you abuse your body and an organ fails…or simply grow old and an organ fails, tough. Your lifespan’s over. Move on. I don’t want to waste my money on this organ transplant racket….which, btw, does kill innocents on the black market.
The anti-organ-revival movement will include penises and chemical props. I don’t want my money going for that. I’m going to start a Pro Original Organ group. POO.
Headclunker 03.21.10 at 2:37 pm
Apparently Pelousey is “meeting” with women Dems about the promises being made to Stupak.
What a con game.
Headclunker 03.21.10 at 2:39 pm
No, they are not going to use Federal money to fund abortions, they are going to give it to the States, and let them do it.
normapapuma 03.21.10 at 2:44 pm
#67 ZEE
You nailed. Why should we have one size fits all freaking group-communal-koolaid-mdeical insurance at all???
This is freakin America and we should be free to buy what we want and need, not what we’re told we must pay for.
Good-bye America. It was nice knowing you.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 2:46 pm
Wow, the house is rowdy, actually shouting out!
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 2:46 pm
Fireworks are happening in the House. Jesse Jackson Jr. is holding firm on time allowed each speaker and whether or not the questions entertained are answered appropriately. Repubs just demanded a vote on whether the rules are being followed. They are voting on that now. It will last for 15 minutes.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 2:47 pm
House is currently voting re: Earmarks contained in the Senate Bill.
These were the proceedural issues that the Dem’s were hoping to avoid with the Slaughter Rule.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 2:49 pm
Zee
Are we all going to get to pick and choose what legal medical procedure our fellow and sister citizens get? What if I believe if you abuse your body and an organ fails…or simply grow old and an organ fails, tough. Your lifespan’s over. Move on. I don’t want to waste my money on this organ transplant racket….which, btw, does kill innocents on the black market.
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Yes, and it’s already happening. The whole anti obesity campaign is a prelude. A small step but a beginning,
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 2:51 pm
Politico reporting that Stupak and O have reached an agreement and he will vote for the bill. (c-span)
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 2:53 pm
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 2:47 pm
House is currently voting re: Earmarks contained in the Senate Bill.
These were the proceedural issues that the Dem’s were hoping to avoid with the Slaughter Rule.
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Thanks I didn’t quite understand why the repubs brought up the Senate bill.
Dragonfly 03.21.10 at 2:55 pm
BCL 22
the non-profits don’t exist yet – all for profit health insurance cos would have to convert to non-profit to provide insurance. I got that idea from HR 676, which a group of doctors and nurses lobbied for.
Rancho 03.21.10 at 2:57 pm
Stupak to speak in 4-5 minutes on Fox
invalidresponse 03.21.10 at 2:57 pm
Here is how the negotiation over funds for abortion SHOULD have gone, if the Democrats really gave a crap about peoples civil rights. (including but not limited to the right of a woman to control her own body)
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ok fundies and main stream churches, here is a deal for you.
We will write law and shuffle your money around to insure that not one cent of your money goes to abortion, on THE very same day that you give up your complete total tax exempt status, open your books fill out a return on all the money that comes in and goes out of your church. You will receive tax exemptions on all the money that is spent on actual charity work that does NOT discriminate against the LGBT community.
All other income brought into your church will be taxed as the business that it is…..
Deal??
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 2:59 pm
“I hope Stupak and his band of pro-life people don’t get what they want so this freakin’ bill is stopped.”
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Stupak want’s to vote for the health care bill, he JUST wants it not to cover abortion. If he gets what he wants, the wording changed so abortion is not funded, he will vote yes with his little pro-life group and the bill will pass.
I don’t want this bill to pass, plain and simple!
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 3:00 pm
BCL,
#76 – Yep, the Dems felt they have the solid votes to pass the Senate Bill as it stands. The Reps feel that they can now challenge all the proceedural issues. One of which is the fact that both houses of congress just recently voted in controls re: earmarks being included in bills currently in front of both houses.
So the reps are challenging that the Senate Bill must be sent back to the Senate and the earmarks removed before the house votes on it.
murphy 03.21.10 at 3:01 pm
Stupak to speak at 4pm? anyone know if this is still true? I think if he brings himself and six votes the bill passes.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 3:04 pm
Yes, Stupak speaks at 4pm approx. and he is voting Yes and most likely bringing his votes with him.
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 3:05 pm
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 2:51 pm
Politico reporting that Stupak and O have reached an agreement and he will vote for the bill. (c-span)
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If this is true and the Stupacker got the abortion wording nod from the Fraud himself, I think Obama has just slit his own throat.
Then the bill will pass, this piece of crap will be law and we will have to watch the prancing and screaming from both sides.
November can’t come soon enough for me.
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 3:08 pm
The Stupacker got his wish, the bill will pass.
Fu@k the assholes and the donkey they rode in on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
normapapuma 03.21.10 at 3:13 pm
There’s a youtube from last November wher Stupak said he’d vote yes in the end, no matter what. Fake out for his constituents.
Remember in November!
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 3:14 pm
I think Obama has just slit his own throat.
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never dreamed I could support that freak on anything…
At least not until now.
goandersen 03.21.10 at 3:14 pm
Stupak’s name fits him. Does he really believe that the Fraud won’t reverse that executive order to suit his liberal base?
What a dope!
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 3:20 pm
(((Go)))
The Stupidpacker got his 15 minutes of fame and a non from his dear leader gives him ‘credibility’ for November with his constituents. I wonder if he is up for reelection in Nov.?
Headclunker 03.21.10 at 3:21 pm
Stupid Stupak went for the Executive Order Con? Nobody really believes that, do they? He just wanted to save face wile he backed down for bribes. You know Nancy was in the backroom telling the Fems that BO would flip flop right out of there as soon as he got his votes.
Just like he always does.
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 3:21 pm
oops not non….’nod’
normapapuma 03.21.10 at 3:22 pm
#86 Can’t find the youtube, but a commenter on Hillbuzz has it posted. Faker.
http://hillbuzz.org/2010/03/21/rationing-watch-open-thread/#comments
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 3:24 pm
BillieJo,
# 89 – Everyone in the House of Rep is up for re-election, this includes Stupid
Rancho 03.21.10 at 3:24 pm
Wouldn’t that be something if the “FEMS” flipped now!
NOW is the time to stand up to them all!
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 3:26 pm
Rancho,
#94 – That would be excellent!
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 3:26 pm
So what’s next? The House reconciliation package of fixes sre sent to the Senate for changes or passage. Everyone said the House did not trust the Senate, so how did the dems get the Reps to vote for this? What deal did they make there.
Headclunker 03.21.10 at 3:26 pm
The silence resounds from the Clintons.
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 3:27 pm
Rancho 03.21.10 at 3:24 pm
Wouldn’t that be something if the “FEMS” flipped now!
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((Rancho)), I was just thinking the same thing……….
I would be so proud of them, I would vote to keep them all in…except for Nasty………she is on my sh!t list.
ChangeDaDiaperInDC 03.21.10 at 3:28 pm
Fuckin’ weasels all. Stupak had all intentions of voting for this awful, bloated, out-of-touch so called reform bill from the start…his so-called “stand” twas all just a show to get re-elected. Moron has to know the head weasel will likely go back on his word. What’s one more flip flop for the King O’Flops after all?
Sad day in American herstory for sure. Cannot believe our rights to do with our own uteruses as we will has been used as a fuckin bargaining chip…again.
VOTE THEM ALL OUT!!!!!!!!!
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 3:28 pm
Ahhhhh…. Ted Kennedy is being touted again!! Can’t they let him rest in peace.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 3:28 pm
I am now listening for the reaction from feminist groups like NOW and NARAl. etc.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 3:31 pm
BCL,
#96 – the promise that the Senate will pass the Reconciliation. Stupidhead got a executive order to take care of his abortion concerns.
The Representatives are trusting that all this will happen… After they agree to the Senate bill… Good luck with that dreamers.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 3:31 pm
Headclunker
Clintons are out of the country taking care of their primary business. Don’t expect them to sacrifice any more by putting themselves in the train wreck called the Democratic Party.
Rancho 03.21.10 at 3:37 pm
BillieJo
I would be so proud of them, I would vote to keep them all in…except for Nasty………she is on my sh!t list.
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AGREED
cept I wish I was in her district so I could vote for her AND THEN NOT!
I was SO GLAD to hear that she was heckled as she was walking up the steps
(With that gavel and a STUPID SMIRK on her face!!)
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 3:40 pm
#103
That should have read ‘don’t expect the Clintons to sacrifice any more by putting themselves in the way of the train wreck called the Democratic Party’.
Rancho 03.21.10 at 3:40 pm
Yep Goofs!
Talk of state attorney generals fighting this mess! 38 at last count?
So far (Goofs and Billiejo), I don’t believe California is one of them
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 3:41 pm
Rancho
I wish I could move in with SFPuma and vote Nancy out too. She is protected from my vote by the distance of the Bay.
Diaper – I still love your name!!!!
goofsmom
# 89 – Everyone in the House of Rep is up for re-election, this includes Stupid
—- Good to know, time to sharpen my voting pencil…………
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 3:43 pm
I wish I lived close to DC so I could put on my Hillary t-shirt and join the protest. We need a million woman march there right now.
And I would take a basket of rotten tomatoes to toss….
freddiebrown 03.21.10 at 3:51 pm
Amid all the talk about the HC bill, which most of us kinda know it that the folks threatening to vote no is just waiting to see “if the price is right” before they say yes….I wanted to share a link about a woman photojournalist who died today – Margaret Moth. I have never heard of her until today and I marvel at what an extraordinary woman she was… Read it on cnn.com or here:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/21/margaret.moth.obit/index.html?hpt=C1
The video interviews were just as fascinating.
Zee 03.21.10 at 3:53 pm
Thank goodness you’re all brave enough to live blog this mess. It’s maddening enough second-hand.
Yes, I’m sure the Stupak fuss was all for show. The anti-woman 2nd class citizen language was in there even without him.
Zee 03.21.10 at 3:55 pm
#74 BCL
“…it’s already happening. The whole anti obesity campaign is a prelude….”
Interesting angle, BCL. Shakesville has been covering the anti-obesity campaign, but this is the first I’ve heard this angle mentioned.
wontbackdown 03.21.10 at 3:55 pm
Stupak said on the Fox Video:
(and I quote:)
“Don’t think we’re through yet. I would like something statutorily, that the Bishops would want”
Stupak also said – slight paraphrase but real close:
‘He had 45 votes in the Senate and he needed 60, so he will settle for now for the agreed executive order, which contains a least 3 or 4 references to the Hyde amendment(conscience clause. But, don’t think we’re through… we will be continuing our efforts for stricter provisions on this issue after the HC bill is passed.’
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There you have it, insertion of a federally mandated, government controlled practice of Catholicism regarding Women’s reproductive rights health care… aka: non-benefits, forced pregnancy, kill the bitches?
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 3:57 pm
Zee,
#110 – It’s amazing to watch the carbon footprint the House is making from all the non-stop talking!
simofish 03.21.10 at 4:00 pm
freddiebrown — thanks for the story on margaret moth – simply inspiring
Zee 03.21.10 at 4:02 pm
#112 wontbackdown…
omg. All I can think is that it’s 5 o clock somewhere. oh yeah…here, in five minutes!
Why is a congressman announcing he’s following the Bishops’ marching orders??? What next, mullahs?
And they’re mentioning Kennedy all the time? That is undoing the Kennedy clan’s trailblazing.
Zee 03.21.10 at 4:03 pm
#113 lolol, goofs! I take it cow farts have nothing on these clowns?
wontbackdown 03.21.10 at 4:05 pm
I used to cringe when Dances made reference to men and their penises to make her points about the patriarchy.
Oh Dances… Dances… fire away, Woman, fire away!
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Zee, I QUOTED HIM EXACTLY ON THAT SPECIFIC SENTENCE!
I can’t believe it! I just cannot believe it!
freddiebrown 03.21.10 at 4:07 pm
SimoFish – glad you read the story of Margaret Moth – I am sure it will be a motion picture starring someone like Angelina Jolie or what not. For some reason, I was compelled to read up everything about her as it was so fascinating. Even Christian Amanpour was in awe of her. It sure is more inspiring than what is going on the news today.
goandersen 03.21.10 at 4:10 pm
this song comes to mind today for some reason………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNdEu9s5qUU
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 4:12 pm
freddiebrown,
Thank you for sharing Ms. Moth. I will read about her after this drama in the house is over. I’m sure I will really need it then!
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 4:13 pm
Zee,
#116 – Nope! LOL
wontbackdown 03.21.10 at 4:18 pm
goandersen 03.21.10 at 4:10 pm
This one comes to mind for me, now (the lyrics are on the video):
Hide and Seek – Imogen Heap
where are we?
what the hell is going on?
the dust has only just begun to form
crop circles in the carpet
sinking feeling
spin me round again
and rub my eyes,
this can’t be happening
when busy streets a mess with people
would stop to hold their heads heavy….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4OLQB7ON9w
prplvette85 03.21.10 at 4:22 pm
My head is exploding… what a dog and pony freak show. They are “allowing” the moderate Dems to vote No now that Stupid said he will take the bribe, in order to save some Dem seats in November…. Fuck them all. They thought we were bitter in the last election? Just wait until they need us in November… Annie Oakley will look mild compared to Mama Rambo! Stick a fork in them… They’re goin down.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 4:25 pm
prplvette,
#123 – What!… do you have a link where I can see?
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 4:29 pm
“O” is feeling pretty confident…
Obama plans health care statement Sunday night
WASHINGTON – Sensing victory, President Barack Obama is planning to make a statement to the nation Sunday night after the House takes its final vote on health care legislation.
The White House announced late Sunday afternoon that Obama would speak from the East Room in the evening, with the timing to be determined.
The announcement was another signal that Obama was confident that Democrats have the votes to pass the legislation at the center of his domestic agenda.
The announcement came after Obama and Democratic House leaders resolved a dispute over abortion Sunday, securing crucial support from a handful of lawmakers.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100321/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_obama_statement;_ylt=AnHwWMK2dI6.dTOh1uTei6es0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFlNTdsMTFxBHBvcwM4MwRzZWMDYWNjb3JkaW9uX3BvbGl0aWNzBHNsawNvYmFtYXBsYW5zaGU-
prplvette85 03.21.10 at 4:31 pm
This is why if I ever won the lottery, I would buy my RV to live in, and keep some money to live on , and donate the rest to Pumapac, so we could gain some pull, so at the drop of a hat, we would have enough money to fund all of us to fly, drive or do whatever it takes to get us all there and to support our cause.
If only….
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 4:32 pm
Zee,
They are debating to vote to adopt the rules to debate and vote on the HC and Reconciliation Bills.
murphy 03.21.10 at 4:41 pm
according to Hillary is 44, a live person is answering the phone at Bart Stupak’s office. Call now to give him a piece of your mind!
Update III: Want to call Bart Stupak (a live person is answering the phones at his office? (202) 225 4735, (989) 356 0690, (906) 875 3751.
http://www.hillaryis44.org/
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 4:44 pm
Zee 03.21.10 at 3:55 pm
#74 BCL
“…it’s already happening. The whole anti obesity campaign is a prelude….”
Interesting angle, BCL. Shakesville has been covering the anti-obesity campaign, but this is the first I’ve heard this angle mentioned.
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The light bulb clicked on when I heard some Obama fluffer say on some show out of the blue that he was so glad that Michelle Obama had taken on this important aspect of the hc problem. I realized this was no coincidence, but they had allowed little Michelle to address one of the opening salvos in the campaign to tell you that they can’t afford to cover your hc costs if you insist in not ‘taking care of yourself’. I am someone who has taken care of myself for over 35 years by eating right (to the point of obsession) and exercising, etc. Still because of genetics reasons, I’ve had constant health problems. I’ve experienced the prejudice of the medical profession because of this (and the fact that I’m female) and it has gotten much worse since doctors are more worried about being sued, than they are concerned about finding the cause of your problems and treating them. I read constantly and monitor myself closely, but it’s no fun living that way.
goandersen 03.21.10 at 4:45 pm
#122 Wontbackdown
Good one. I hadn’t heard that song before.
Zee 03.21.10 at 4:48 pm
grrrr….. I keep trying to post a quote from Stupak about nuns, but the site I got the quote from keeps shutting down my browser and I lost my last post.
Did I see some PUMAs discussing this the other day? Stupak sneering at nuns?
I will try to post the quote without the link (sorry!).
goandersen 03.21.10 at 4:49 pm
#128
Recorded message on the DC phone.
Zee 03.21.10 at 4:53 pm
The site kept shutting my browser down, so no link for this quote, but maybe someone has seen this somewhere else? Stupak sneering at nuns:
Many Catholic nuns have called upon the Congress to pass the healthcare bill without worrying about the abortion language. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops dug in its heels and stated that it, and only it, had the right to speak regarding policy. Indeed, Stupak rejected a letter representing some 60,000 nuns by stating “When I’m drafting right to life language, I don’t call up the nuns.” Instead, he confers with “leading bishops, Focus on the Family, and The National Right to Life Committee.”
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 4:58 pm
Margaret Moth, one of a kind. Too bad we only see the people in front of the camera in these dangerous hot spots. I always wonder who is photographing the hairy scenes when I see them on tv. Praise by Christine Amenpour is high praise indeed.
prplvette85 03.21.10 at 4:59 pm
I got a recording on all 3 numbers.
wontbackdown 03.21.10 at 4:59 pm
Zee:
Here is one:
Congressman Bart Stupak, D-Mich, responded sharply to White House officials touting a letter representing 59,000 nuns that was sent to lawmakers urging them to pass the health care bill.
The conservative Democrat dismissed the action by the White House saying, “When I’m drafting right to life language, I don’t call up the nuns.” He says he instead confers with other groups including “leading bishops, Focus on the Family, and The National Right to Life Committee.” [emphasis added.]
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2010/03/18/bart-stupakdont-listen-nuns
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 5:00 pm
On fox they are showing protestors on the move in the background of the Greta Van Sustern show. Are they leaving or just changing their protest positions.
Zee 03.21.10 at 5:00 pm
The light bulb clicked on when I heard some Obama fluffer say on some show out of the blue that he was so glad that Michelle Obama had taken on this important aspect of the hc problem. I realized this was no coincidence, but they had allowed little Michelle to address one of the opening salvos in the campaign to tell you that they can’t afford to cover your hc costs if you insist in not ‘taking care of yourself’.
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Very interesting, BCL. We should keep watch.
Sorry about your health woes.
I have a friend going through something similar and she’s isolating. In fact, the surest way not to hear back from her is to suggest to get together. 
Zee 03.21.10 at 5:03 pm
#136 wontbackdown
ah, thanks! That’s the quote…there was some glitch in the site I saw it in.
BigCatLover 03.21.10 at 5:03 pm
Why are the repubs pounding the abortion issue so hard when there is so much more in the bill that affects so many more citizens. Is that all they got to defeat the bill? No wonder it is passing.
Zee 03.21.10 at 5:20 pm
I think the question is, why are all the Obots, who pounded the disgusting message that women had no one but Opiccolo to vote for to “protect” their rights now so eager to put those rights on the shelf “for now” in order to pass some raggedy scrap of health care reform, that had to renamed “insurance reform?”
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 5:30 pm
Okay, looks like the got the votes needed to agree to the debate rules to start the 2 hours of debate on the Senate HC and House Recon Bills.
Zee 03.21.10 at 5:47 pm
Fraudbama’s gonna make a big health care speech later tonight.
PUMA reaction:
http://tinyurl.com/yl26p6e
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 5:56 pm
Rancho
I wish I could move in with SFPuma and vote Nancy out too. She is protected from my vote by the distance of the Bay.
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No need to move in. Using that mailing address for some business correspondence would do. Not that I’m suggesting or encouraging to do anything untoward…
I’m just sayin’
honora 03.21.10 at 5:58 pm
Just got back from a week in Maui (Did you all miss me????), I am soo jet-legged (got delayed by SNOW in Dallas), and I can’t believe that we are still fighting with Stupidak. The Bishops and Stupidak don’t know it, but it is the nuns and the lay women are the heart, soul and future of the Catholic Church. The guys are talk a lot, but the real work of Christ is done by women– and it gets more so every day.
Zee 03.21.10 at 5:59 pm
Statement from NOW president Terry ONeill:
http://www.now.org/press/03-10/03-21a.html
March 21, 2010
The National Organization for Women is incensed that President Barack Obama agreed today to issue an executive order designed to appease a handful of anti-choice Democrats who have held up health care reform in an effort to restrict women’s access to abortion. Through this order, the president has announced he will lend the weight of his office and the entire executive branch to the anti-abortion measures included in the Senate bill, which the House is now prepared to pass.
President Obama campaigned as a pro-choice president, but his actions today suggest that his commitment to reproductive health care is shaky at best. Contrary to language in the draft of the executive order and repeated assertions in the news, the Hyde Amendment is not settled law — it is an illegitimate tack-on to an annual must-pass appropriations bill. NOW has a longstanding objection to Hyde and, in fact, was looking forward to working with this president and Congress to bring an end to these restrictions. We see now that we have our work cut out for us far beyond what we ever anticipated. The message we have received today is that it is acceptable to negotiate health care on the backs of women, and we couldn’t disagree more.
prplvette85 03.21.10 at 6:00 pm
What we need to do now, is get all the State’s Attorney Generals to file litigation to throw out the bill, and take it to the Supreme Court.
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goofs,
sorry, did not see your post asking for a link. It was on Fox News
Zee 03.21.10 at 6:02 pm
I’m even more incensed, having learned from ONeill that
“Contrary to language in the draft of the executive order and repeated assertions in the news, the Hyde Amendment is not settled law — it is an illegitimate tack-on to an annual must-pass appropriations bill. ”
The “repeated assertions” in the news were from Zerobama himself…promising that he wouldn’t be changing the “settled law” —meaning the Hyde Amendment!
Zee 03.21.10 at 6:11 pm
#145 honora
Welcome back! I’m actually glad that ass Stupak sneered at the nuns. It brought attention to the fact that the nuns were all concerned enough to band together, in very great numbers, to try to make a difference!
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 6:18 pm
Stupak, guess what dude, YOU WERE/ARE JUST A TOOL!
Both sides are just using you, and you will be voted out anyway!!!
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 6:28 pm
Now we all know why Nasty called Dem congresswomen in for a private conference yesterday……….to tell them her puppet was going to sell women out again and not to flip their vote because………….
The flip-flam man is just telling another lie to buy some votes.
Zee 03.21.10 at 6:40 pm
good guess, BIllieJo
Delle 03.21.10 at 6:53 pm
Stupak has two challengers so far for his house seat – Dan Benishek and Linda Goldthorpe. Read about them at Michelle Malkin’s:
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/21/the-vote-open-thread/#comments
Choose one and then give him/her some support!
Stupak has GOT to go!
honora 03.21.10 at 6:59 pm
Time for me to pony up and support NOW. I love that she said we were ‘incensed’ and not some weasel word like ‘saddened’ or ‘concerned’ or ‘ troubled’. INCENSED sounds like we are burning with a hot and searing rage that smolders like incense and then explodes into fury aimed at the DNC and all their lackeys. Ok, maybe I am reading too much into Terry’s word choice, but ‘incensed’ and ‘livid’ and ‘ballistic’ are the words that describe my feelings.
Zee- believe me I know more nuns with spunk than I do ‘obedient’ nuns (whatever that means.)
LeeinUSA 03.21.10 at 7:15 pm
DEATH -PANEL: Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e…re-admissions). Page 280 Sec 1151
DEATH -PANEL: Govt mandates “Advance-Care Planning Consult.” (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.) Page 425 Lines 4-12
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again — no choice!) Page 430 Lines 11-15
DEATH-PANEL: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing! Page 272 SEC. 1145
DEATH-PANEL: GOVT COMMITTEE decides what treatments/benefits you get Page 30 Sec 123
DEATH-PANEL: The Govt mandates a program for orders on “end-of-life.” (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!) Page 427 Lines 15-24
DEATH-PANEL: Rationing Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans Page 85 Line 7
DEATH-PANEL: The Govt provides an “approved” list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called ‘assisted suicide.’)(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.) Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.Page 494-498 DEATH-PANEL: Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you Page 42
DEATH-PANEL: An “advanced-care planning consultant” will be used frequently as a patient’s health deteriorates. Page 429 Lines 1-9 DEATH-PANEL: HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED Page 29 lines 4-16
DEATH-PANEL: An “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?) Page 429 Lines 10-12
DEATH-PANEL: Govt mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want — rationing.) Page 335 L16-25 Pg 336-339
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of ‘special needs people!’ Unbelievable! Page 354 Sec 1177
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.) Page 239 Line 14-24
DEATH-PANEL: GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.. (I wouldn’t want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!) Page 429 Lines 13-25
DEATH-PANEL: Rationing Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members – your health care WILL be rationed!) Page 85 Line 7
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it’s mandatory!) Page 425 Lines 17-19:
ACORN: Payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & ACORN Page 65 Sec 164
ACORN: Govt will use ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan. Page 95
ACORN: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations, ACORN Medical Services Page 469
Doctors/ American Medical Association – The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.Page 127 Lines 1-16
Doctors: It doesn’t matter what specialty you have trained yourself in — you will all be paid the same! Page 241 Line 6-8
Doctors: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!) Page 317 L 13-20
Doctors: Govt sets the value of a doctor’s time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally– the value of humans.) Page 253 Line 10-18
Doctors: Govt creates more bureaucracy via a “Tele-Health Advisory Committee.” (Can you say HC by phone?) Page 379 Sec 1191
Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission — the Govt will penalize you. Page 298 Lines 9-11
Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! Page 149 Lines 16-24
Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!) Page 145 Line 15-17
Employer with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn’t provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.Page 150 Lines 9-13
Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn’t get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.) Page 126 Lines 22-25
Employers: Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure – Page 22
Employers: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt monopoly. page 12 4 lines 24-25
Employers: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the ‘Exchange.’ Page 84 Sec 203
HOSPITALS: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.) Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3
ILLEGALS: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)Page 170 Lines 1-3
ILLEGALS: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Page 50 Section 152
ILLEGALS: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (illegal aliens.) Page 91 Lines 4-7
MARRIAGE: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records. (I guess so the government can ‘deduct’ their fees from your bank account)Page 195
MARRIAGE: Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. Page 489 Sec 1308
MARRIAGE: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. Page 59 lines 21-24:
MARRIAGE: Govt will have real-time access to individuals’ finances & ‘National ID Health card’ – Page 58
MONOPOLY: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan) Page 341 Lines 3-9
MONOPOLY: Govt mandates and controls productivity for “private” HC industries. Page 265 Sec 1131
MONOPOLY: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. Page 102 Lines 12-18
MONOPOLY: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?) Page 321 2-13
NEW TAXES: ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.Page 167 Lines 18-23
NEW TAXES: The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” (Yes, it really says that!) ( a ‘fee’ instead) Page 203 Line 14-15
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 7:28 pm
prplvette,
#147 – No problem…
I’m back watching C-Span, went off to take a nap during the debate.
pumacraig 03.21.10 at 7:34 pm
Evening fellow PUMAS just checking end. Leaving my friends to go home won’t be on line. I have to be careful as to what I post because I have seen my puma posts show up on google when my name (real name) is goggled for my campaign site. Pray for our Country!
Until tomorrow. Good night
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 7:37 pm
Night Pumacraig…
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 7:57 pm
I’ve missed you, Honora!
Maui… great choice.
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 8:05 pm
wontbackdown 03.21.10 at 4:05 pm
) good / decent men. Most of the men I know are good men, some are very good, and several are the best! When I use derogatory terms when discussing males, I mean the miscreant, monstrous, freakish, mutated, misogynist, android types.
I used to cringe when Dances made reference to men and their penises to make her points about the patriarchy.
Oh Dances… Dances… fire away, Woman, fire away!
—————-
Trust me, I used to cringe myself but my short-fused temper always got the best of me and I couldn’t afford to take the time to add disclaimers about which men I was directing my comments to, lest my head explode while I was taking the time to explain. I know too many (can any many be too many?? continuing
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 8:13 pm
Oh, I see now! When I saw the photos on my iPhone of angels in Murphy’s post, I thought someone had photoshopped Skipper’s head onto the body. Ain’t so, but the resemblance is amazing.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 8:17 pm
Dances,
invalidresponse 03.21.10 at 8:19 pm
{{{{Dances}}}}
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 8:34 pm
Hiya IR!!!
Zee 03.21.10 at 8:36 pm
#153 delle
I don’t think so. Especially from the likes of Michelle Malkin.
Stupak has a woman DEM challenger in the PRIMARY this August.
This is the candidate to support. With any luck, the woman Republican will win and we’d see two women vie for the seat.
http://www.conniesaltonstall.com/
Connie is primarying Stupak. We want this to be a TREND, then “all the RAGE,” pun intended!
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 8:41 pm
155
LeeinUSA 03.21.10 at 7:15 pm
Are those your own selections / interpretations or did you copy them? If you copied them, may we have a link, please? TIA
Zee 03.21.10 at 8:44 pm
LeeintheUSA….not sure what makes my eyes glaze over the most. The unduly longass post or the rightwing framing of the descriptions.
Zee 03.21.10 at 8:47 pm
#157 pumacraig
That sucks, and i don’t blame you for being careful, but don’t worry and don’t ever apologize. If the pResident of the USA doesn’t fire his fratboy speechwriter for acting the drunken ass with the likeness of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and then posting it online like a swaggering braggart, then NO ONE has to apologize for anything they say or do online!
Zee 03.21.10 at 8:55 pm
#160 dances…
I’m with you on that. I can’t count all the places I’ve been banned from for calling the wrong jerk “underhung.” But CNN just hired rightwing SWINE who nonstops sneers at feminists “too ugly to get married.”
Incensed, enraged, livid….and justifiably so. THEY never apologize for groping the image of Secretary Clinton or hiring MISOGYNISTIC PIGS.
Why should we apologize for calling out their viagra-propped wrinkled, underhung pooped out old penises?
Headclunker 03.21.10 at 8:57 pm
Hey, is this Health Care Bill provide Viagra for rapists and pedophiles?
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 9:00 pm
Why should we apologize for calling out their viagra-propped wrinkled, underhung pooped out old penises?
—————-
Oh Jesus! I hope I forget that image before I go to sleep tonight otherwise I’ll be in for some nightmares.
Zee 03.21.10 at 9:01 pm
BCL,
regarding your theory.
I broke down and turned on CNN for *15 minutes.*
There was a panel of “experts” which included Donna-spreadthehate-Brazille.
Nowhere do we get to see NOW president Terry ONeill, despite her LONE voice on women’s rights!
And what do you suppose the very first “opinion” I heard? Dr. Gupta chose a random (::cough::) text message from a viewer who asked, WHERE are the measures to make sure people STAY HEALTHY and make healthy choices?
Let the “blame the sick first” begin….
Zee 03.21.10 at 9:03 pm
171 DWP
I’m blessed with the ability to think abstractly without images….it’s a gift. And a curse. But in this case, a gift.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 9:13 pm
Arghhhhhhh…. they finally are getting to the end of the 2 hour debate time.
Zee 03.21.10 at 9:17 pm
Does anyone in CA have Lynn Woolsey as a rep?
Going back down to brave more coverage. I posted a link upthread on PUMA reaction:
http://tinyurl.com/yl26p6e
I know it’s a tinyurl, but it’s safe…from the New York Post’s animal snapshots. Every PUMA will like this one!
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 9:17 pm
Had to come back real quick… Pelosi is speaking… Yucky, have sound off…
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 9:17 pm
Zee
Will you give me that gift for my birthday, pleasethankyou?
Oh WAIT! I don’t celebrate my birthdays anymore. Nevahmind.
Angrynana 03.21.10 at 9:18 pm
Pelosi said the HC honors our traditions. I don’t think so!…..Please vote her out.
Notyoursweetie 03.21.10 at 9:23 pm
About that EO
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/obamas-ceo-reinforces-ws-conscience-rules-and-protects-rw-ers-from-discrimination/
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 9:24 pm
Nasty is spinning her yarn now. The vote will be soon for all not watching.
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 9:26 pm
Thank you, BillieJo
I’m a non-viewer, as you probably know by now.
Casper Cat 03.21.10 at 9:28 pm
goofsmom…. I think Nancy Peelooooooooooossssssssssssiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeee should just pull up her skirt and pass gas…. that is the shit coming out of her sick twisted mouth right now…. I freakin hate that woman/freak/./….. Sorry, I do not follow the “just vote for women” motto….. No, she is a sick twisted piece of shit…. and, she will sell anyone and everyone out for her own personal gain…..
Casper Cat 03.21.10 at 9:30 pm
(((BillieJo))) Yep! spinning so much she should be falling down by now…. Well, if not now… for sure come her re-election…..
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 9:30 pm
Caspie
Best part, she is now finished…in more ways than one.
Probably be the last term of her being the majority leader.
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 9:34 pm
Boehner insisted that their vote be recorded…instead of just screaming out.
They are voting electronically.
Voting now…
Casper Cat 03.21.10 at 9:34 pm
BillieJo…. (((( BillieJo)))) the best news I have heard in a long time….. (#183)…
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 9:36 pm
Voting on the Senate Bill now… If adopted it will go to “O” for signature immediately, I’m sure.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 9:37 pm
Casper,
Voting for women only, never included Pelosi…
Casper Cat 03.21.10 at 9:41 pm
goofsmom…. Phew!!!!!! Thanks I need that….
I am sooooooooooooooooo for supporting women in politics… I am doing it NOW… Just wanted to be clear that women too can be against women….. 
Sad, but true…. I will keep up the pace here in Our County to do the very best I can to see Women are Represented and are elected to Office… 
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 9:42 pm
Just reported that the Fraud won’t sign this bill, (the Senate) until around Tuesday.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 9:42 pm
5 min left on vote 203 yea
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 9:45 pm
The deed is done.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 9:45 pm
Senate bill has passed….
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 9:47 pm
The chant was “Yes, we can.”………………..gack!
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 9:48 pm
final vote 219… 34 dem nays
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 9:48 pm
219 Stupidpak tossed it to Nasty in the end.
Headclunker 03.21.10 at 9:55 pm
Motion to Recommit
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 9:55 pm
Get this they are working on a motion to recommit to Hyde amendment, right now!
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 9:56 pm
F*CKERS!!!
Casper Cat 03.21.10 at 9:57 pm
Headclunker.. Please explain….. what does Recommit mean? Thank you! And, a huge Thank You for all that you do…
Casper Cat 03.21.10 at 9:59 pm
goofsmom…. Just say it!…. THOSE FUCKERS, FUCK THEM AND FUCKING VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE… Just like HPBoston says, ‘VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT AND WOMEN TOO’….. Fuck them all……..
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 10:02 pm
Stupidpecker is talking…
Ooops, did I say that………..
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:02 pm
Casper,
#199 – If it passes then could kill the HC bill they just passed because it requires that the Stupak language be added to the Senate bill and then the Bill sent back for approval of this amendment
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 10:03 pm
Every sperm is sacred…
Sing it Stupid…
Zee 03.21.10 at 10:05 pm
#197 goofs
omfg….thank goodness I switched to the home channel or I would be scaring the housemates right about now!!!
prplvette85 03.21.10 at 10:07 pm
FUCK THEM ALL… AMERICANS HAVE JUST LOST THEIR FREEDOM. This is just the beginning. I have a major headache…going to bed so I can go deal with more fuckwits tomorrow…
goodnight all
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:08 pm
Oh wait my bad… it’s a motion to add Stupidick’s language to the Reconciliation bill before it is sent to Senate. Dem’s are against it because if added then the Reconciliation bill with all their revisions to the Senate bill, that they just voted in, would probably not get passed by the Senate.
Confused… yep, me too. It’s a tactic…
I am so sick of all these liars.
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:09 pm
(((prplvette))) try to get some sleep…
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:11 pm
Okay no worries, Stupidick’s amendment won’t be added to the reconciliation bill… over 220 nays… on to the next…
BillieJo 03.21.10 at 10:14 pm
I hope this is true, but it is probably a scam for their deal leader to give them more ‘organizing’ to do.
Acorn on Brink of Bankruptcy, Officials Say
BALTIMORE — The community organizing group Acorn, battered politically from the right and suffering from mismanagement along with a severe loss of government and other funds, is on the verge of filing for bankruptcy, officials of the group said Friday.
Bertha Lewis, Acorn’s chief executive, blamed “relentless, well-funded right-wing attacks” reminiscent of the McCarthy era.
Acorn is holding a teleconference this weekend to discuss plans for a bankruptcy filing, two officials of the group said. They asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to speak to the news media.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/us/politics/20acorn.html
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:18 pm
BillieJo,
#209 – I wouldn’t get to excited yet, they may have added funds for them in the Reconciliation bill they are getting ready to vote on and no one knows……
Headclunker 03.21.10 at 10:20 pm
Motion to recommit
http://hillbuzz.org/2010/03/20/daily-kos-in-full-on-pants-wetting-meltdown-over-motions-to-recommit/
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:26 pm
Voting on Reconciliation package now.
Swannie 03.21.10 at 10:27 pm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/SwanSpirit/remeberinnovember.jpg
We will remember in November ……
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:29 pm
Hello everyone ((((my favorite Pumas)))) – am back – have new computer – did not dare log in in case I lost it – what Caspie, goofs, Billiejo, Prpl and Headclunker said – ditto, ditto , ditto
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:30 pm
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:31 pm
Hey Swannie – were you calling me
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:32 pm
Hey RemNov
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:33 pm
Reconciliation Bill just passed. This bill goes Senate to be voted on…
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:33 pm
This feels like the primaries all over again – the dceit, manipulation, corruption
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:39 pm
and Zee and Dances
nice to see you all – I guess everyone is too upset to talk right now but we will remember in November …
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:41 pm
Hey Rem Nov,
I’ve watching it unfold all day and I’m kinda speechless. Great to see ya back online…
BBL.
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:43 pm
Yep me too – locked on C-span – speechless and very down …
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:44 pm
Reporter on C-Span said that “O” was in his office with staffers when 216 was reached on Senate HC bill and turned to high five Rahm when it passed.
Gag
Swannie 03.21.10 at 10:45 pm
I must have been LOL remember……..
Swannie 03.21.10 at 10:46 pm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/SwanSpirit/Oneterm.jpg
I particularly like this one
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:47 pm
OMG – he’s on congratulating himself …
Rancho 03.21.10 at 10:48 pm
Remembering in November IS NOT SOON ENOUGH!
(They are all thinking of Easter Recess and want to get out of Washington and go home The economy is in the dumper, the administration is out of touch And WTH should student loans have to do with all of this! It was slipped into a reconciliation bill without any debate, and now will be voted on in a couple day It’s bigger than just health care It’s Washington basking in it’s ARROGANCE and NASTY PELOUSY grinning like a cheshire cat I agree with you Caspie SHE’S GOTTA GOOOOOOOO!
Obo will be on in a minute Oh, CHOKE! There he is I’m turning him off!
We need another chant! I can’t wait until NOVEMBER!
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:49 pm
Yes, I like that too Swannie – I’ll have to hold that thought
thanks everyone – I know you’ve all been working hard calling and writing and faxing – even tho not online I’ve been doing the same – it’s such a let down
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:52 pm
OK ((Rancho))!
But we can’t get rid of her position until November – what do you have in mind?
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 10:55 pm
Bertha Lewis, Acorn’s chief executive, blamed “relentless, well-funded right-wing attacks” reminiscent of the McCarthy era.
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Someone tell Bertha to sit down and STFU. Crap! Hasnt she ever heard of K-A-R-M-A??
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:55 pm
keep calling, writing, faxing …. the Senate
Rancho 03.21.10 at 10:56 pm
Steale, the head of the GOP said something about getting rid of her! Starting a petition! I didn’t catch it , , , did anyone?
MY period isn’t working! What’s up with that? I guess I have to be excited or question everything!
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 10:58 pm
Hey Dances! Acorn might file for bankruptcy but don’t worry – they have so many groups under their umbrella i am sure they have already re-organized -
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 10:59 pm
RemNov…
#229 – Pelosi can lose in the Dem Primary… then we would be sure she was gone!!!
wontbackdown 03.21.10 at 11:03 pm
I had to go bed – couldn’t watch it. Then,woke up to Nancy Imelda Marcos Pelosi and am firmly of the opinion that
parading around in her shoes of power, pomp and political corruption, smiling profusely about walking all over those she was elected to serve.
She’s amassed quite a collection of Fuck-You-People-Pumps.
wontbackdown 03.21.10 at 11:04 pm
That all didn’t come out right – my head is spinning… but you get my drift
Rancho 03.21.10 at 11:05 pm
Like what HillBuzz is talking about
http://hillbuzz.org/
We’re making Bart Stupak the next target in our project to identify the wealthy individuals and law firms that keep funding bad Democrats.
He and Louise Slaughter will be our test cases — where we work together as a group to identify all their major campaign contributors, and direct the public’s ire at the rich men and women on the Left who keep writing checks to send people like Slaughter and Stupak to Washington to do their bidding.
If these people wish to exercise their right of free speech by way of funding these Leftists’ campaigns, then we the people should exercise our own free speech by letting these large Democrat Donors know exactly what we think of their campaign contributions.
ttp://en.wordpress.com/tag/bart-stupaks-donors/
goofsmom 03.21.10 at 11:06 pm
I’m off to watch a DVD… Gotta get away from this for a bit…
Don’t forget there are a bunch of States AG’s filing to block adoption of HC for their individual states.
BBL
TerryDo 03.21.10 at 11:09 pm
An interesting interpretation by Jon Kraushar:
Obama to America — I Win, You Lose
By Jon Kraushar
- FOXNews.com
“Give me tyranny and give me debt” has replaced “Give me liberty or give me death.”
With his health care holy war, President Obama is sending America at least 10 messages since taking office:
1. I win; you lose.
2. My will; not the will of the people.
3. Government of Obama, by Obama, for Obama; not government of the people, by the people, for the people.
4. Corrupt House rules and autocracy; not play by the rules and democracy.
5. “I’ll tread on you” now steps on “Don’t tread on me.”
6. “I, the president”; not “We, the People.”
7. “All men are created equal” but I am more equal than others.
8. “The dissent of the president” overrules “the consent of the governed.”
9. “Give me tyranny and give me debt” replaces “Give me liberty or give me death.”
10. “That government is best which governs most” supersedes “That government is best which governs least.”
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 11:09 pm
Goofs – Pelosi does not come up this time – only Boxer – pelosi 2 years later
wontbackdown 03.21.10 at 11:11 pm
Well. I’ve spoken to three raging people – 2 Dems and 1 Rep.
Everyone I know is against this. I don’t understand.
Does anyone have guesstimate of how much actual “public support” the bill had?
RememberNovember 03.21.10 at 11:12 pm
Yes, they may have won the battle but not the war – yet – there’s plenty more to do right now
‘Night Pumas – see you all later
Rancho 03.21.10 at 11:25 pm
http://www.firenancypelosi.com/
MONEY GOES TO THE GOP!
Look at states ranked by donation total I thought that was interesting
Nasty’s state (California) is in the top ten! Yeah!
Rancho 03.21.10 at 11:32 pm
I thought it (#243) was going to be a petition The GOP better have a another plan up their sleeve!
I’m not there! (Throwing money at the GOP) All the incumbents need to go!
DancesWithPumas 03.21.10 at 11:41 pm
GOP needs to be flushed right along with the current abyssmal manifestation of the Democratic Party.
Rancho 03.21.10 at 11:47 pm
Yup!
And after you flush it all down, Dances, what do we have left?
Where are the HEROINES of the Democratic Party that can stand up to this administration? THAT’S WHO I WANT TO SUPPORT! I CAN’T BELIEVE ‘NASTY’ GOT AWAY WITH IT AGAIN, AND ON THE BACKS OF WOMEN WITH THAT STUPAK BILL!
Obama and Nancy needed those Stupak votes and the women Reps where TOLD, put up and shut up, BY A WOMEN! (And they did , , , it breaks my heart!)
TerryDo 03.21.10 at 11:48 pm
List of names of who did and didn’t vote for Obamacare
http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/house/2/163?ref=policy#
Rancho 03.21.10 at 11:49 pm
I’m NOT blaming the women, please don’t get me wrong
I just wanted to see the women rise above those crooked men and say ENOUGH!
LeeinUSA 03.21.10 at 11:54 pm
Our country truly is lost. The blatant bribery that went on with this bill, shows that nothing is going to stop these crooks.
I cannot imagine Bill Clinton or George Bush getting away with any of this deception, like this marxist, muslim sympathizer & his band of crooks are doing.
This is the beginning of the end for us.
No amount of phone calls, faxes or letters are going to change a thing. This was plotted a long time ago, by Soro’s and other Arab backers & they knew the best way to control the people was thru our healthcare.
We are now slaves to this regime! Without our health, what have we??? No amount of money, riches will matter if we lay dying waiting for medical care!
November elections! Well, that is a thought, but how can we be sure they all won’t be FIXED by ACORN, like the last marxist election was????
The O doesn’t seem worried at all about the next elections. He blatantly threw this in our faces and dared us to do something about it.
I truly believe there will be a revolution in this country, no I’m not advocating it, but it may happen, we the people have been a free people for too long to sit still & let this happen to us.
We are not a third world country that has been downtrodden under a dictator for centuries, we have tasted freedom for too long to accept this without a fight!
Whew, needed to say all this, thanks for the venue to allow me to speak my mind. Soon, we may not even have THIS freedom, we will have to go underground to speak!!!
Rancho 03.21.10 at 11:56 pm
TerryDo
Thank you for your post!
So if I am to understand-
House Vote 163 – On Agreeing to the Resolution Providing for consideration of the Senate Amendments to H.R. 3590 , Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and providing for the consideration of the bill H.R. 4872, Reconciliation Act of 2010.
The only woman Democrat who voted NO was Stephanie Herseth Sandlin from South Dakota?
Rancho 03.21.10 at 11:58 pm
I’m done
My head is spinning
Night all
FLBarbara 03.22.10 at 12:13 am
Hi PUMAs
Warning lots of cursing
I am in Santo Domingo on way to Haiti. I saw a news clip of Nancy Pelosi linked arms with other Democrats linking arms walking passed *merican citizens protesting this bill Nancy was carrying her 4 foot gavel, what the fuck was up with that? I wish someone would have hit her over
The head with it. I am so fucking embarrassed I called myself a democratic for 35 years.
This is outrageous. This is the peoples house not the fucking Obama house. .I am. Soooo angry . Shame on every fucking one of them. Sellouts AGAIN
Sorry I am besides my self right now
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 12:18 am
LeeinUSA 03.21.10 at 11:54 pm
There was a request for you to provide the link to the source and interpretation for the comment you made regarding segments of the hc bill. Perhaps you missed it? Please provide. Thanks.
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 12:22 am
LeeinUSA
This was plotted a long time ago, by Soro’s and other Arab backers & they knew the best way to control the people was thru our healthcare.
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Do you have any citations for your accusations? If so, please provide them.
PS You may be going underground before the rest of us if you continue to disrespect us, and yourself, by not providing links as requested. Providing links is standard operating procedure here, per Murphy.
kat in your hat 03.22.10 at 1:03 am
Hey pumas. (Thanks for responses to me downstairs & up here, I appreciate it.)
I’m exhausted. Watched c-span for hours tonight. At this point I hope every single American researches how this will personally affect them.
I’m not angry or happy. I just want to feel like I know what all the pros and cons are.
For instance, some sort of major school loan overhaul was seemingly included in the vote tonight. I don’t know what that means for me yet, so I have to learn about that.
Also, I think this means I’ll be forced to buy health care insurance now or I’ll get fined by the IRS down the road. I realize subsidies may be available, but it’s still going to cost me money out of pocket, from what I gather. The very poor & uninsured who cannot afford to pay any small amount for healthcare ins. will (be forced?) to sign up for the expanded medicaid program? But they could’ve signed up for medicaid all this time anyway. So I don’t know what’s different for them as far as that area.
I still need to learn about this all. I don’t know what this means for individual people in my family, etc. It’s going to touch everyone differently.
kat in your hat 03.22.10 at 1:15 am
“Student Loan Overhaul Tied To Health Care Bill”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/21/student-loans-health-care_n_507576.html?ref=fb&src=sp#sb=155021,b=facebook
“House approves huge changes to student loan program”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/21/AR2010032103548.html
kat in your hat 03.22.10 at 1:22 am
“Health Care Reform: How It Will Affect You”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/07/business/moneywatch/main5225682.shtml
“Health care reform bill 101: Who must buy insurance?”
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0319/Health-care-reform-bill-101-Who-must-buy-insurance
“Health care reform bill 101: Who will pay for reform?”
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0321/Health-care-reform-bill-101-Who-will-pay-for-reform
Zee 03.22.10 at 1:35 am
#240
i dunno. Fully 2/3s of that was pioneered by George “I’m the Decider” Bush. Old news.
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 1:36 am
Buy insurance company stock!!
Zee 03.22.10 at 1:39 am
Rancho, I know exactly what you mean. The women reps were strongarmed, not only to put women’s rights “on the shelf, just for now”
but also to be mouthpieces for this mess.
Zee 03.22.10 at 1:39 am
260 DWP we might as well, huh?
kat in your hat 03.22.10 at 1:41 am
Also, none of this mandated stuff would really kick in until 2014-2016, right?
For instance, will kids have to wait until 2014 in order to be covered under their parents plan up to age 26? What about people who are younger than 26 years old but not currently covered by parents? They must wait until 2014?
Does coverage for those with preexisting conditions kick in immediately or do they have to wait until 2014?
Zee 03.22.10 at 1:43 am
#250, Lee….no, you didn’t need this venue, you can say that anywhere. But nice try. GWB is still the worst pResident ever and our current mess can be traced back to Reagan. Zerobama *****hearts***** Reagan. He’s just a Trojan Ass Corporate thug masquerading as a Dem.
kat in your hat 03.22.10 at 1:50 am
Dances, #260 yeah, good point. I bet all the heavy hitting richies already invested tons.
For America, best things to invest in are drugs, weapons, porn, fast food and health ins. pfft. (I’m making that up, but I bet I’m close.)
Zee 03.22.10 at 1:51 am
#263 – I can’t provide a link, but I did hear that kids are covered immediately for pre-existing conditions, but everyone else must wait till 2014.
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Rancho, more on those women reps who didn’t stand up for women’s rights. Don’t forget that voices such as Terry ONeill’s was eliminated from any major coverage. There was no CONTEXT in which the women could make a stand and get understood as anything but a stubborn “obstructionalist.”
The entire narrative was presented as Dem against Republican. Michael Moore was the rare progressive voice allowed to dissent, but he’s considered an outsider kook. There was no way even a left of center *mainstream* group, such as NOW, would’ve been allowed to express any concern that could’ve become a rallying point.
wontbackdown 03.22.10 at 1:51 am
FLBarbara 03.22.10 at 12:13 am
“I am in Santo Domingo on way to Haiti.”
“Nancy was carrying her 4 foot gavel…”
“I am so fucking embarrassed…”
You should have seen it from here, Barb. We’ve been hit by the Big One.
Haiti is looking pretty good. At least the people there know that they’ve been hit by an earthquake and need disaster relief.
kat in your hat 03.22.10 at 2:13 am
Medicare cuts:
“Government payments to Medicare Advantage – plans run by private insurers that are an alternative to traditional Medicare – would be reduced by $132 billion over 10 years under the health care reform bill. (Those plans now get around 14 percent more per person than traditional Medicare does.)
Medicare payments for home health care would also be reduced by $40 billion over 10 years. And cuts in certain payments to hospitals would raise another $22 billion by 2019.”
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0321/Health-care-reform-bill-101-Who-will-pay-for-reform
______________________
Medicare/ prescriptions for seniors *takes effect immediately*:
“Seniors who fall into the coverage gap, or “doughnut hole”, in the middle of the Medicare Part D prescription drug coverage plan will get $250 to help them pay their bills.”
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0320/Health-care-reform-bill-101-How-long-will-reform-take
kat in your hat 03.22.10 at 2:25 am
Things in the bill that take effect RIGHT AWAY include:
__Insurance companies will be prohibited from placing lifetime caps – limits on the amount of money that can eventually be paid out – on their policies. They’ll face new restrictions on setting annual caps, as well.
__Insurance companies also will be prohibited from pulling your coverage, except in case of fraud or intentional misrepresentation.
__Children won’t be excluded from coverage due to pre-existing health conditions. Plus, children will be able to stay on their parents’ policy until age 26.
__Small businesses that offer health coverage to employees will be eligible for tax credits of up to 50 percent of premium costs.
__Seniors who fall into the coverage gap, or “doughnut hole”, in the middle of the Medicare Part D prescription drug coverage plan will get $250 to help them pay their bills.
__People with pre-existing health conditions will be able to enroll in a new, but temporary, national high-risk insurance plan.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0320/Health-care-reform-bill-101-How-long-will-reform-take
kat in your hat 03.22.10 at 2:28 am
@ #269 ^
Things in the bill that take effect LATER, in 2014:
__Individual mandate – Americans must obtain health ins.
__Subsidies to help Americans buy health ins.
__Exchanges where individuals and small businesses can buy health ins.
__Finally, one of the most popular provisions in the health bill, its ban on the denial of insurance coverage due to pre-existing health conditions, won’t take effect until 2014 either. That’s because insurers will need the flood of new customers brought in by the individual mandate to cushion the costs of accepting people who already have health problems.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0320/Health-care-reform-bill-101-How-long-will-reform-take
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 3:13 am
RemNov,
#241 – Pelosi and the entire House of Representatives is up for re-election in 2010.
Only a portion of the Senate is up for re-election. Boxer and Feinstein are CA’s Senators and only Boxer is up for re-election in 2010 and Feinstein is in 2012.
——————
District 8:
Nancy Pelosi (D)* – (House Speaker’s Site) – (DCCC Political Site)
Summer Shields (D) – LaRouche Activist
John Dennis (R) – Ron Paul Campaign Activist
Dana Walsh (R) – Interior Designer, GOP Activist & ’08 Nominee
Gloria LaRiva (PFP) – Marxist Political Organizer, Printing Worker & Frequent Candidate
Cindy Sheehan (Independent) – Anti-War Activist, Mother of US Soldier Killed in Iraq & ’08 Candidate
——————————
http://www.politics1.com/ca.htm
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 3:26 am
Kat,
#256 – “The very poor & uninsured who cannot afford to pay any small amount for healthcare ins. will (be forced?) to sign up for the expanded medicaid program? But they could’ve signed up for medicaid all this time anyway. So I don’t know what’s different for them as far as that area.”
_____________________________________________
FYI – In CA the very poor & uninsured can’t sign up for Medicaid/MediCal unless they have children or are on disability of some type. It’s free clinic’s or nothing at all.
scarlet 03.22.10 at 4:29 am
The Doctors of the House
This week’s votes don’t end our health-care debates. By making medical care a subsidiary of Washington, they guarantee such debates will never end. And by ramming the vote through Congress on a narrow partisan majority, and against so much popular opposition, Democrats have taken responsibility for what comes next—to insurance premiums, government spending, doctor shortages and the quality of care. They are now the rulers of American medicine.
While the subsidies don’t start until 2014, many of the new taxes and insurance mandates will take effect within six months. The first result will be turmoil in the insurance industry, as small insurers in particular find it impossible to make money under the new rules. A wave of consolidation is likely, and so are higher premiums as insurers absorb the cost of new benefits and the mandate to take all comers.
We have never understood why pro-lifers consider abortion funding more morally significant than the rationing of care for cancer patients or at the end of life that will inevitably result from this bill. But in any case Democratic pro-lifers sold themselves for a song, as they usually do.
We also can’t mark this day without noting that it couldn’t have happened without the complicity of America’s biggest health-care lobbies, including Big Pharma, the American Medical Association, the American Hospital Association, the Federation of American Hospitals, the Business Roundtable and such individual companies as Wal-Mart. They hope to get more customers, or to reduce their own costs, but in the end they have merely made themselves more vulnerable to the gilded clutches of the political class.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703775504575135881813148208.html
scarlet 03.22.10 at 4:59 am
kat in your hat 03.22.10 at 2:28 am
__Finally, one of the most popular provisions in the health bill, its ban on the denial of insurance coverage due to pre-existing health conditions, won’t take effect until 2014 either. That’s because insurers will need the flood of new customers brought in by the individual mandate to cushion the costs of accepting people who already have health problems.
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In the health care bill (section 1101 p.45) it doesn’t seem that the definition of pre-existing conditions has been determined yet. – link is at #4 above.
Presently, pre-existing has different definitions:
Conditions can be broken down into two further categories, according to Lisa Smith of Investopedia:
Most insurance companies use one of two definitions to identify such conditions. Under the “objective standard” definition, a pre-existing condition is any condition for which the patient has already received medical advice or treatment prior to enrollment in a new medical insurance plan. Under the broader, “prudent person” definition, a pre-existing condition is anything for which symptoms were present and a prudent person would have sought treatment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existing_condition
So, we will just have to wait until the Secretary comes out with her guidelines to know what pre-existing conditions are going to be under the health care bill. And, we don’t know if there will be exclusion period just as there is now in some states.
Nancy Pelosi was right – we have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it .
Delle 03.22.10 at 5:03 am
Zee #165
I don’t live in the district so I can’t vote, but I’m willing to send money to support a person who can kick Stupak out of his seat this fall. Over at Hillbuzz the favorite seems to be Dan Benishek. They are even dropping a money bomb on him.
They think he is the best candidate and don’t seem to care that it was Michelle Malkin who introduced his name.
As far as any candidates from his own party challenging Stupak for the nomination, the way I feel now, I don’t think I could ever support a democrat again! NEVER! They simply can not be trusted.
Actually, the commie bastards who took over our country last night and stole our freedom do not deserve to be called democrats!
Delle 03.22.10 at 5:12 am
Zee #165
Regardless of who introduced his name, the guys at Hillbuzz seem to think Benishek is the best candidate to defeat Stupak. They are even sending a money bomb.
I don’t live in the district and can’t vote there, but I’m willing to send money to him if I think he has a chance.
As far as any challengers to Stupak for the nomination, the way I feel now I don’t think I can ever support a democrat again. Not EVER! They are simply not trustworthy.
Actually, the commie bastards who took over our country last night and stole our freedom don’t deserve to be called democrats!
normapapuma 03.22.10 at 6:05 am
Guten morgan.
Found out this morning from Stuart Varney on FOX there are no caps on insurance company premiums in the bill.
Hey, Is anybody in the Lame Stream Media talking about what the impact of this Obumacare bill is going to be on taxes, premiums, jobs and the economy in general??? Or is it all Ha-ha we win?
Notyoursweetie 03.22.10 at 6:26 am
@normapuma: it’s all Ha-ha, we win.
Today’s tabloids
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/tabloids-the-historical-edition/
Zee 03.22.10 at 8:03 am
Delle, no doubt the log cabin Republicans over at Hillbuzz think a male Republican is the “best” candidate but it will be a cold day in hell before I would ever promote a male Republican over a woman Dem primary challenger.
Zee 03.22.10 at 8:07 am
Oh, and Delle, give me a break with the “commie” stuff. That is lifelong Republican talk, so I have a really hard time believing you are suddenly “giving up” voting for Dems.
HILLARY’S health care reform would’ve been actual health care reform, as opposed to mandatory insurance…and the SAME players would be calling it “socialist” and “commie.”
The problem here isn’t communism, it’s corporate welfare.
Zee 03.22.10 at 8:19 am
NOW’s president Terry O’Neill continues to speak out, but I’m betting we won’t see her front and center at any of the major tv news outlets:
http://www.now.org/press/03-10/03-21b.html
“….After a full year of controversy and compromise, the result is a highly flawed, diminished piece of legislation that continues reliance on a failing, profit-driven private insurance system and rewards those who have been abusive of their customers.
“Fact….The bill contains a sweeping anti-abortion provision. Contrary to the talking points circulated by congressional leaders, the bill passed today ultimately achieves the same outcome as the infamous Stupak-Pitts Amendment, namely the likely elimination of all private as well as public insurance coverage for abortion. It imposes a bizarre requirement on insurance plan enrollees who buy coverage through the health insurance exchanges to write two monthly checks (one for an abortion care rider and one for all other health care)…This burdensome, elaborate system must be eliminated. It is there because the Catholic bishops and extremist abortion rights opponents know that it will result in greatly restricting access to abortion care…
“Fact: The bill permits age-rating, the practice of imposing higher premiums on older people. This practice has a disproportionate impact on women, whose incomes and savings are lower due to a lifetime of systematic wage discrimination.
“Fact: The bill also permits gender-rating, the practice of charging women higher premiums simply because they are women. Some are under the mistaken impression that gender-rating has been prohibited, but that is only true in the individual and small-group markets…having an especially harmful impact in workplaces where women predominate.”
Her whole statement is worth reading.
NikkisMom 03.22.10 at 8:34 am
No, Zee – technically, it’s NOT communism. Jane Hamsher has it right – it’s the textbook definition of fascism.
The claims made by the administration about the virtues of the health care bill are outright fabrications. As Marcy Wheeler has documented in her post entitled “Health Care and the Road to Neofeudalism,” it does not control either insurance premiums or health care costs. Forcing 31 million people to buy a product they don’t want and can’t afford to use does not constitute health care reform. Once again, the poor get used as human shields so corporations can be the beneficiaries of massive government bailout.
Rather than actually helping the poor, this bill is a dangerous and unprecedented step on the road to domination of government by private corporate players who use it to suppress competition and secure their profits — the textbook definition of fascism.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/17/dennis-kucinich-will-return-money-to-donors/
NikkisMom 03.22.10 at 8:43 am
And for anyone that doesn’t see the link to the definition of fascism, here ya go. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
Notyoursweetie 03.22.10 at 8:46 am
Please, don’t worry about Stupak!
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/in-b0botland-dont-worry-about-stupak-he-is-safe-and-celebrating/
2PumaSisters 03.22.10 at 8:48 am
Good morning Murphy & Pumas,
I am soooooooooooooooooooooooo disappointed.
When will we be able to have a victory?
turndownobama 03.22.10 at 9:01 am
HC bill — timeline on what year some provisions take effect.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1914020220100319
No mention of drugs from Canada.
turndownobama 03.22.10 at 9:04 am
nikkismom,
I agree! Fascism is the word, if I could spell it.
Swannie 03.22.10 at 9:35 am
Handy dandy little list of the 2010 races for the entire USA
http://www.wrhammons.com/MD-2009-2010.htm
for instance my rep is Kratovil who was allowed to vote no
but I want him out anyway …
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Disabled Unemployed Worker, ’08 Congressional Candidate J.P. Cusick (D)
Ex-Teacher, ’02 Candidate Ralph Jaffe (D)
Ex-State Veterans Affairs Secretary, Ex-State House Majority Whip, Mortgage Broker, Vietnam War Veteran George Owings (D)
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DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 9:43 am
Zee
Do you have a link to Terry Oneill’s statement?
Please provide. Thanks
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 9:46 am
Zee
oops
your link was at the top of your comment. My mistake.
Nevermind.
Swannie 03.22.10 at 10:01 am
Having BO as “pResident”, for the women in this country how have a clue , is like having an abusive husband that beats you down ,and then gloats over it . Sometimes we need to seek the battered womens shelter and heal ..and then come back independent and strong.
We HAVE TO STOP THEM FROM continuing THE ABUSE … we have no choice … this is a great pep talk !!
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/03/pep-talk.html
boogieman7167 03.22.10 at 10:25 am
OT so far the Resolution has passed in county conventions in SD 12, SD 4, SD 9, SD 25, SD 26, SD 16.”
to kill the texas 2step
Swannie 03.22.10 at 10:28 am
http://www.naturalnews.com/026733_health_health_care_healthcare.html
Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
goandersen 03.22.10 at 10:43 am
Page 58
That National HC ID will be going in my microwave to be nuked!
scarlet 03.22.10 at 10:49 am
Do you agree with the House vote on health-care overhaul?
Poll here:
http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1241537
So far, 68% do not agree
scarlet 03.22.10 at 10:54 am
ANAHEIM, Calif. – When Bob Goodrich’s longtime doctor started providing premium care only to patients who paid a $1,600 annual fee, the 63-year-old felt he had no choice but to write a check.
His wife, Marjorie, 64, was sick with a serious adrenal disorder and nervous about having to switch doctors. And she was drawn to the longer appointments, personal attention and 24/7 access that Dr. Susan Debin promised the new “concierge” arrangement would provide.
Debin, 64, said money wasn’t the reason she switched to a hybrid concierge practice after 25 years of primary care. Instead, it was the grueling pace of insurance-dominated care, where high demand and low reimbursements had her seeing 40 patients a day and reviewing charts until 2 a.m.
Worse, it was barely possible to assess illness, let alone prevent it, which attracted Debin to primary care in the first place.
“I was passionate to do this and to practice a certain kind of medicine.” Now, she says, she can.
As many as 5,000 doctors nationwide have opted for full or partial concierge practices. Surveys suggest that number could quadruple within the next few years.
The U.S. is short by between 40,000 and 50,000 primary care doctors now, a figure that’s expected to top 125,000 by 2020, according to the American Academy of Family Physicians. That means people who don’t want or can’t afford concierge plans will have a harder time than ever finding a doctor.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34019606/ns/health-health_care/
freddiebrown 03.22.10 at 11:06 am
Did anyone here besides me think that the HC bill will go through come hell or high water ? I really didn’t think something like this could be stopped – there was too too much riding on “his” legacy and to have HC be stopped in its tracks because of a handful of nay sayers is unrealistic. It reminds me of the primary days…so many so passionate but a dollar and a day short because the “women” that we counted on, towed the line like lemmings. We are also talking about an administration that is now used to ram things through on weekends or unreasonable time lines because they can.
Swannie 03.22.10 at 11:18 am
The firedog lake fact sheet PDF file
http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files/2010/03/mythfactshcr-2.pdf
Delle 03.22.10 at 11:20 am
I’m sorry that my above post came out twice. Nothing happened the first time I wrote it and so I thought I’d have to do it again. I’m sure it is boring enough hearing from me once, never mind twice.:-)
I definitely agree that the administration which has taken over by coup – in my opinion – is a facsist one. Rather I’d say nazi.
Remember the old movies of Hitler keeping everyone healthy and in shape. Convincing them to exercise and eat right. Sound familiar?
The other day I caught a clip of nancy telling the camera – not diabetes; but diet! It sounded like a new slogan being introduced.
Zee I actually voted for candidates of both parties in the past. That has nothing to do with the way I see the democrats behaving now. In my new and clearer outlook, the D behind a person’s name stand for Deceiptful.
scarlet 03.22.10 at 11:38 am
20 Promises for $2,500: All Americans Now Await Lower Premiums Promised by Obama
http://www.breitbart.tv/20-promises-for-2500-all-americans-now-await-lower-premiums-promised-by-obama/
LeeinUSA 03.22.10 at 11:47 am
Sorry, my statement about Soro’s was my opinion, I should have stated that. I will try to find link for the HC data I posted. Sorry, just woke up.
LeeinUSA 03.22.10 at 12:03 pm
This is what I found on the HC data I posted. I should have researched it better & I am truly sorry.
This letter was written last summer, and all citations pertains to the July 23, 2009 version of the HCR bill.
Here is on link I saw, I have seen it other places on the internet, but cannot find the others right now.
I had no evil intent upon posting them, I guess I assumed they were correct, but stand corrected & will link anything else I post like this.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475643/posts
ChangeDaDiaperInDC 03.22.10 at 12:05 pm
@freddiebrown #297
Absolutely, you are not alone in your feelings. I had the feeling this would go through as you say “come hell or high water” too. Even more so after Nancy Pellloooossiiieee told us that it would be so in her infinite wisdom (snark!) and botoxed weaseliness during her “over fence, over dale, to grandmother’s house we go pink ponies and all” statement a while back when we all thought this big bad bill dead. I knew they’d stop at absolutely nothing to again “make (their) history”. Indeed, I started having the same sinking feelings I had before and during the primaries and that infamous day in May when the dims screwed Hillary and us out of her nomination. The same arm-twisting, closed door deal making, and general ugliness prevailed then and most assuredly, it prevailed now. So much for the change we ALL can believe in. Pffft
I am so personally tired of fighting this battle, day after day, and losing.
But I still refuse to lie down. So I will do everything in my meager human powers to VOTE ALL THE WEASELLY BUMS OUT and replace them with, hopefully, common sense oriented, listen to the people who put them there, WOMEN (or men who fit that mold if no women are available). The utter arrogance, nitwitism, and CONSTANT CAMPAIGNING for the next election instead of doing the people’s work, that presently pervades our Congressional houses and our White House, is sickening and disheartening to be sure. Certainly not fitting of our somewhat flawed but still great nation.
I am angry and discouraged. But I will again retreat only briefly to lick my wounds and then rise again to fight another day, as all good Pumas I’m sure will also.
FIGHT ON!!
BigCatLover 03.22.10 at 12:06 pm
Bart Stupak is on Fox News stuttering and trying to make his case for how good this health care reform is, but Megan Kelly is hammering him on his last minuute switch. He whined that at the end he only had 4 other dems with him and Megan said this would not have passed without you!! What a wienie he is.
FLBarbara 03.22.10 at 12:15 pm
Someone just asked me a great question
“How can US law makers enact a law of the land that they themselves are exempt from?
Is that a Democracy?
ChangeDaDiaperInDC 03.22.10 at 12:17 pm
scarlet 03.22.10 at 10:49 am
Do you agree with the House vote on health-care overhaul?
Poll here:
http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1241537
So far, 68% do not agree
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It’s now up to 75% NO.
ChangeDaDiaperInDC 03.22.10 at 12:19 pm
goandersen 03.22.10 at 10:43 am
Page 58
That National HC ID will be going in my microwave to be nuked!
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LMAO! Ah yup, you betcha GO.
scarlet 03.22.10 at 12:20 pm
My lastest e from Obama
scarlett –
For the first time in our nation’s history, Congress has passed comprehensive health care reform. America waited a hundred years and fought for decades to reach this moment. Tonight, thanks to you, we are finally here.
Consider the staggering scope of what you have just accomplished:
Because of you, every American will finally be guaranteed high quality, affordable health care coverage.
Every American will be covered under the toughest patient protections in history. Arbitrary premium hikes, insurance cancellations, and discrimination against pre-existing conditions will now be gone forever.
And we’ll finally start reducing the cost of care — creating millions of jobs, preventing families and businesses from plunging into bankruptcy, and removing over a trillion dollars of debt from the backs of our children.
But the victory that matters most tonight goes beyond the laws and far past the numbers.
It is the peace of mind enjoyed by every American, no longer one injury or illness away from catastrophe.
It is the workers and entrepreneurs who are now freed to pursue their slice of the American dream without fear of losing coverage or facing a crippling bill.
And it is the immeasurable joy of families in every part of this great nation, living happier, healthier lives together because they can finally receive the vital care they need.
This is what change looks like.
My gratitude tonight is profound. I am thankful for those in past generations whose heroic efforts brought this great goal within reach for our times. I am thankful for the members of Congress whose months of effort and brave votes made it possible to take this final step. But most of all, I am thankful for you.
This day is not the end of this journey. Much hard work remains, and we have a solemn responsibility to do it right. But we can face that work together with the confidence of those who have moved mountains.
Our journey began three years ago, driven by a shared belief that fundamental change is indeed still possible. We have worked hard together every day since to deliver on that belief.
We have shared moments of tremendous hope, and we’ve faced setbacks and doubt. We have all been forced to ask if our politics had simply become too polarized and too short-sighted to meet the pressing challenges of our time. This struggle became a test of whether the American people could still rally together when the cause was right — and actually create the change we believe in.
Tonight, thanks to your mighty efforts, the answer is indisputable: Yes we can.
Thank you,
President Barack Obama
HP Boston 03.22.10 at 12:30 pm
The despicable one has puked his rot on America again…..
The scumbags have left the country barren of laws and demorcacy……….
Can we not form a mighty backlash against this demonic, evil pos?
I am angry hear me roar…I can stand this band of assholes no more!
Vote the fuckers out!
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 12:35 pm
(((HP Boston)))
#309 – Right there with ya!!!
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 12:36 pm
For those who are wondering who will benefit first from HC Bill
Health stocks outpace market after reform passes
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Shares of Medicaid insurers, hospital companies and even drugmakers rose on Monday as many investors concluded that passage of landmark U.S. healthcare legislation will add millions of new paying patients.
The S&P Health Care Sector index (.GSPA) was up nearly 1 percent on Monday, outpacing the broader market, after the U.S. House of Representatives gave final approval to a sweeping overhaul late on Sunday night.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100322/bs_nm/us_healthcare_shares
FLBarbara 03.22.10 at 12:39 pm
I am getting sooo many emails patting themselves of the back. I am having fun answering them.
Dear Barbara,
“We just witnessed history being written.”
-Snip-
Sen. Bob Menendez
Dear Bob,
Yes, it is written
Your Senate seat is now history!!
ChangeDaDiaperInDC 03.22.10 at 12:43 pm
@ scarlet 03.22.10 at 12:20 pm
“Our journey began three years ago, driven by a shared belief that fundamental change is indeed still possible. We have worked hard together every day since to deliver on that belief.”
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Amazing. He always manages to somehow make it all about HIM. Narcistic jerkwad.
This actually should be Hillary’s healthcare reform effort, and I’m sure we’d ALL be celebrating a much different, potentially more effective, and perhaps even somewhat bi-partisan healthcare reform bill if she were our President.
He makes me wanta barf.
sistermoon3 03.22.10 at 12:48 pm
This a democrat bill of healthcare
hell, if the votes on invading Iraq had been only
repubs supporting, we wouldnt be there today, so
I dont know why obama and all of em are so elated
to tell you the truth.
He was watching his tv just like you and me to see
the results, he aint all he thinks he is and neither
are any of them. Im sick of the “movie” productions
on all this historical bullshit. While we were all sitting
on pins and needles, his wife and the girls enjoyed a night
out on New York yet again to see a broadway show, wow, must
be nice. Im quite convinced that this country is far bigger tha obama, Im quite sure that it will be long after he is gone, but the question will be, what kind of country will it be. A country who depends on government handouts or a country of dreams and true hope for all citizens or the working class supporting the non working class. That is exaclty what this is. It just doesnt effect those mysterious folks without insurance, it effects everyone.
Only history will tell, but it’s democrat bill. This is never good
ChangeDaDiaperInDC 03.22.10 at 12:52 pm
{{{{{Murphy}}}}}.
More “flooding” rains heading NE next couple of days. Here’s to hoping it bypasses your flooded basement!
scarlet 03.22.10 at 12:54 pm
Sistermoon -
and shopping
President Obama’s family had its own prescription for any pre-health-care vote tension: a foot-stomping Broadway show.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/st_family_enjoys_drama_here_TU72qlNLgYz2UXsgCrYZXL
vwade 03.22.10 at 12:58 pm
On post #248
Did you notice there was only one Democratic woman Stephanie Herseth Sandlin from SD that voted NO on the Heathcare Bill?
We should send her thank you notes. I’m sure the corrupt party will do everything in their power to screw with her career.
2PumaSisters 03.22.10 at 1:00 pm
HP # 309 You are right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote them out!!!!!!!!!!
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 1:04 pm
“We just witnessed history being written.”
-Snip-
Sen. Bob Menendez
Dear Bob,
Yes, it is written
Your Senate seat is now history!!
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Great one!!
My responses to those self-congratulatory email are
a bitcrude. I won’t reprint here.DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 1:07 pm
307 Barbara
Theyre exempt from many of our laws… sexual harrassment for one. Convenient, that.
VOTE FOR WOMEN
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 1:10 pm
302
Lee,
I wasnt questioning your intent. We appreciate links. Usually a short synopsis of the piece, any personal comment about the content, and a link.
Appreciate the link. Thanks.
FLBarbara 03.22.10 at 1:16 pm
An agreement was reached between Democrats whose seats are vulnerable because of a HC yes vote.
They were prepared to sacrifice those democratic seats in order to pass the HC bill. When Stupak caved they had the votes they needed so those vulnerable were “allowed” to vote NO. It was not a conscious vote, it was a safe your ass vote.
They got what they wanted a health care bill, a legacy “saved” and now voters believing that some dems had a conscious, therefore possibly saving there majority in 2010.
If they weren’t vulnerable they would have voted YES.
Vote them all out!!
Swannie 03.22.10 at 1:50 pm
OT sort of…. speaking of health
MICHELLE is interested in promoting health , however her own husband still smokes … so I have a question !! IF SHE CAN”T RUN HER OWN HOUSE , HOW CAN EXPECT TO RUN OTHER PEOPLES HOUSES?
( HAVE BEEN WAITING QUITE A WHILE FOR THAT ONE !)
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 1:51 pm
Swannie,
#323 – LOL….
HP Boston 03.22.10 at 1:57 pm
Yup Barb..every sorry ass one of them…vote the basatards out!
pumacraig 03.22.10 at 1:59 pm
I am a participant of everyone of the entitlement programs in that so call HC bill. I already experience rationing of medication and medical procedures and have a hard time finding doctors to take my Medicare. No doctor will take my Missouri Medicaid. This is truly a bill that will hurt the already vulnerable folks in our country. Sadly it will bring down our middle class folks to the level the elderly and disabled and poor folk are at now and worse!
Remember Obamas interview on Fox last week he said Tom Daschle was one who helped write this bill. We already rejected him but he wrote the bill.
Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/02/thanks_to_porku.html
He believes in with holding care from the elderly and chronically ill such as myself. We should die the sooner the better!!
Even before socialized medicine inevitably degenerates into mandatory euthanasia à la Logan’s Run, the elderly and disabled will be hit hard.
If I am elected I will work hard to overturn this so called HC bill so help me God! With all my heart I miss President Hillary.
Swannie 03.22.10 at 2:27 pm
Puma craig, i read that by Tom the tax cheat Daschle a long time ago, and for the life of me cannot understand how anyone cannot see that this bill throws seniors under the bus …
just get old suffer and die for goodness sake all you people over 50 … but not me Tom Daschle I have coverage …
pumacraig 03.22.10 at 2:33 pm
Swannie#327
You got it right! Daschel, none of the Obama Democratic party office holders will have to suffer or abide by the same HC.
RememberNovember 03.22.10 at 2:39 pm
OMG (((Goofs))) – now that is worrying – I put the brain malfunction down to being so ticked off (polite term
). Of course Pelosi is up for election this Fall – I know that – why did I say that? I am seriously worried now 
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 2:43 pm
(((RemNov)))
#329 –
Yep, being completely and totally outraged can cause mental hiccups… No worries… 
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 2:54 pm
MICHELLE is interested in promoting health , however her own husband still smokes … so I have a question !! IF SHE CAN”T RUN HER OWN HOUSE , HOW CAN EXPECT TO RUN OTHER PEOPLES HOUSES?
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time to send postcards to Mrs Obama?
RememberNovember 03.22.10 at 2:54 pm
goofs – you have mail
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 3:01 pm
RemNov,
You have mail back
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 3:02 pm
Dances,
#331 – love the postcard idea. Maybe letters to editors, etc. too.
People living in glass houses should expect stones!
Swannie 03.22.10 at 3:03 pm
I would love to ask her first ladyship that in a televised press conference…….. she made a video after all……
Swannie 03.22.10 at 3:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtICnda1ZY
actually she said you CERTAINLY CANT RUN THE WHITE HOUSE
I have not forgotten …..
henry 03.22.10 at 3:46 pm
Seems to me the independent vote is courted and the base is ignored as we have no where else to go. Well I switched today to unaffiliated and I am going to do my best to persuade everyone i can to do the same. And then I will ask can you hear me now and then again I will ask can you hear me now.
henry 03.22.10 at 3:58 pm
Going independent tells them they don’t own you
and I am reminded of an old shampoo commercial where one friend tells two friends and each friend tells two friends and so on and so on. Distance yourself from this train wreck. Ignore emails phone calls protests but let them try to ignore a drop in their registered voters, Go independent. The party bosses already decide who it is you have a chance to vote for say no thanks and thwey will come courting.
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 4:20 pm
Hissa Hilal is one very brave woman!
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Saudi woman blasts clerics in TV contest poem
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates – It was a startling voice of protest at a startling venue. Covered head-to-toe in black, a Saudi woman lashed out at hard-line Muslim clerics’ harsh religious edicts in verse on live TV at a popular Arabic version of “American Idol.”
Well, not quite “American Idol”: Contestants compete not in singing but in traditional Arabic poetry. Over the past episodes, poets sitting on an elaborate stage before a live audience have recited odes to the beauty of Bedouin life and the glories of their rulers or mourning the gap between rich and poor.
Then last week, Hissa Hilal, only her eyes visible through her black veil, delivered a blistering poem against Muslim preachers “who sit in the position of power” but are “frightening” people with their fatwas, or religious edicts, and “preying like a wolf” on those seeking peace.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100322/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_gulf_poetry_of_protest
snowtigerredux 03.22.10 at 4:40 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100322/ap_on_re_us/us_acorn_closing_down
Acorn closing down.
If only people had listened to PUMA.
Now lets keep an eye on them to see how they plan on rebuilding.
scarlet 03.22.10 at 4:48 pm
http://www.cnn.com/
Quick vote
What is your reaction to the newly passed health care reform bill?
This is not a scientific poll
For it 43% 150620
Against it 40% 140078
Not sure 17% 57964
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 4:56 pm
scarlet
#341 – voted. FYI it allows you to vote more than once. That’s why it’s results are so different from other polls being conducted today…
scarlet 03.22.10 at 5:03 pm
Steps You Can Take Ahead of Changes in Coverage, Taxes
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704454004575135942557501242.html?mod=rss_Health
And more here:
http://www.ehow.com/how_5789118_survive-socialized-medicine-_obamacare_.html
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 5:09 pm
My two cents re: Health Care Vote and the Pols
I’m stating my opinion only and this does not reflect the views or opinions of anyone else or this blog.
I’m so tired of the same old political games played by both parties. Most if not all the antics in DC regarding the HC bill had to do with and were made for the upcomming elections.
I believe the Repub are as much at fault for this piece of crap bill as the Dems. You have to look at the end game. Repub want to gain seats in both houses and how better to do it than this.
The Repub are playing and capitalizing on the anger and fear of the public, in hopes of votes. Plain and simple. They have whinned and wrung their hands but what did they really do? Are they potted plants? Nope, they are taking advantage of the public. Just like they always do!
The Dems are not listening to the public and the Repubs are using the public, but will we win when they get off their stances and platforms? No. Do we truly know why they voted the way they did? No. Can you really say that neither party is going to benefit financially from this fiasco? No. Both party’s will get their share of the bounty for this masterful piece of Acting that they all did. I think they had all, already agreed on the outcome and staged a play for the public.
IMHO
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 5:10 pm
so… 2 weeks ago I received mail from the census bureau informing me that I would be receiving a form from the census bureau. Last week I received said form. This week another piece of (mail) telling me that I should have received the form!
Freaking spendthrift idiots.
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 5:13 pm
I’ve been thinking………(yea, I know) since the votes last night and now listening to the Repugs scream and shout.
First, I am a centralist Clinton Democrat.
Second, I have always wanted Universal Heath Care, Hillary’s plan.
I am wondering if Nasty’s puppet, the Fraud was pushed into office over Hillary, because with Hillary’s principles, Nasty and her pals didn’t think they would ever get Hillary to play dirty enough to get a bill though.
What if they needed a newbie, a nacicist that only needed to have a teleprompter, a good liar and someone without principles to get a health care plan though, any plan, a bad plan so that some day, when someone good comes along, they could make changes to it and come out with single payer health care?
When I listen to the Republican rant and rave, I can’t help but think they would be acting the same way if Hillary were President (sob…) and she had just signed her Universal Health Care Bill.
Did it take smoke and mirrors, lies, dirty deals and all the bs we just saw to get anything past the Repugs?
Was Hillary too principled to accomplish it in Nasty and the DNC’s eyes?
Don’t get me wrong, this is a dirty bill and it certainly isn’t Hillary care, but could someone good down the road change it???
I am just trying to make sense of this whole fiasco.
The Fraud is a puppet and a tool, a liar and a con…
scarlet 03.22.10 at 5:15 pm
Dances – NO…OMG! I think each of these mailings is $42 million.
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 5:16 pm
I posted this before reading anyone’s posts this afternoon…hope I didn’t get in the middle of anything…will go back and read posts now.
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 5:18 pm
Thanks for this turndown….
HC bill — timeline on what year some provisions take effect.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1914020220100319
No mention of drugs from Canada.
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 5:19 pm
Carter pollster calls health bill ‘political Jonestown’ for Dems
Former Democratic pollster Pat Caddell was on Fox News this afternoon when near the end of his interview he forcefully asserted that the health-care bill now passed is a “political Jonestown” for House Democrats and that Speaker Pelosi’s insistence on forcing them to vote yes is akin to mass suicide.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/21/carter-pollster-calls-health-bill-political-jonestown-for-dems/#ixzz0iwkI4Phw
h/t amy dugan via facebook
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 5:20 pm
scarlet 03.22.10 at 5:15 pm
Dances – NO…OMG! I think each of these mailings is $42 million.
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Yep! First-class all the way.
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 5:23 pm
ChangeDaDiaperInDC 03.22.10 at 12:05 pm
You are on fire Diaper, your rage and humor reminds me of Cinie, FlBarb and Caspie. Rock on PUMA!!!
scarlet 03.22.10 at 5:31 pm
goofs – A Rep running for Senate in IL said that he hopes it passes because it will give him a better chance of winning against Obama’s basketball pal running on the D ticket.
He is Congressman Mark Kirk and voted against the bill yesterday. The Rep did introduce several health care reform bill, but they got no where with them.
Today, I got this email from Kirk (this is short a small part of it):
I strongly support reforms to lower the cost of health insurance and cover Americans with pre-existing conditions. That is why I authored the Medical Rights and Reform Act, H.R. 3790. Under our centrist Reform Act, we cover Americans with pre-existing conditions and advance three major reforms:
The Medical Rights Act: Under our bill, Congress shall make no law interfering with the personal decisions that you make with your doctor,
Lawsuit Reform: By applying the lawsuit reforms (recently eliminated in Illinois) similar to successful California reforms, we could reduce defensive medicine, saving over $200 billion annually, and
Granting Americans Interstate Rights: Our bill grants the right to all Americans to buy health coverage from any state in the union, especially if you find a plan that is less expensive or more flexible for your family or small business. This improves choice and competition for each American.
Unfortunately, the Congressional leadership did not permit a debate on our bill. Instead, the House was only allowed one vote on the health care bill adopted by the Senate. I opposed this bill but it passed by a vote of 219 to 212 and will shortly be signed into law by the President. (end)
Then, in another part of the email, he said this about Obamacare:
I voted against this legislation because it costs Illinois jobs, raises taxes and deepens the debt our children must one day pay. Unfortunately, the bill passed the House and is ready for the President’s signature into law. I wish that a more modest set of reforms could have been approved that did not have such harsh consequences for our economy.
In the coming days, I will outline policies and legislation that will reduce spending, lower the debt and prevent new taxes on the American people. While we did not prevail in this contest, I will continue to work and ensure a strong economy and bright future for every Illinois citizen.
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 5:33 pm
Eva Goodson Slover commented:
“I love the way the Dems kept saying that this was a “gift” that they were “providing” to the American people. I have never been asked to pay for a gift someone provided me…..and to that end, I have never been given a gift that the gift-giver knew I didn’t want.”
via facebook
HP Boston 03.22.10 at 5:34 pm
Yup I got a “post card” saying the census bureau sent me a census and they are waiting for it…mailed it last week. fuckwads!
scarlet 03.22.10 at 5:37 pm
9 months after the most economically atrocious piece of legislation in 2009 (Cash for Clunkers)
Okay, I’ve seen a lot of whoppers in my time, but the Cash for Clunkers legislation (CFF, colloquial for Car Allowance Rebate System) takes the cake. And today’s CPI report reiterates the net welfare-reducing impacts of CFF on the economy. I present my case in three parts, but skip on down to point three if you want to see the gist of it.
Third – and this is the most deleterious side effect of the program – used car prices are up 13.7% since July 2009.
Used car prices are higher than they were when the recession started. One cannot blame the CFF in full for the growth in used car prices, but the ex post correlation is pretty striking. The government reports that 677,081 vehicles were traded in under the Cash for Clunkers program, which is code for dropping the supply of used cars by 677 thousand vehicles. What did Congress think was going to happen?
Now, try and tell those aged 16-19 years, the age category that is currently experiencing a 25% unemployment rate, that Cash for Clunkers was a successful piece of legislation.
http://www.newsneconomics.com/2010/03/8-months-after-most-economically.html
Headclunker 03.22.10 at 5:40 pm
BillieJo #346
Don’t kid yourself. Obama was selected over Clinton because she would have gotten the American People a Fair Deal for Universal Healthcare instead of another corporate sell out.
What she had was not for sale.
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 5:44 pm
Headclunker
I agree, but could this bad bill be ammended, piece by piece and end up with Universal Health Care?
Okay, in the back of my mind, I hope Hillary runs for President in 2012 or 2016…could she change it into her bill down the road???? Or at least, make it much better, or is this piece of dung going to stink no matter who runs for President in the future?
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 5:44 pm
amended
scarlet 03.22.10 at 5:48 pm
Gallup: 20% Underemployment Is Here And Rising
Vince Veneziani | Mar. 22, 2010, 10:24 AM | 355 | 4
According to a recent Gallup survey of underemployment (the “true” unemployment number) via Zerohedge, we are now at 20% underemployment and heading higher if this chart is indicative of anything. Apparently Gallup surveyed 20,000 people over 30 days and this is what they came up with.
Regardless if it’s not consistent with the Department of Labor’s official numbers, it’s nonetheless quite frightening.
http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-20-underemployment-is-here-and-rising-2010-3
HP Boston 03.22.10 at 5:54 pm
Well the peace niks used to burn draft cards..women burned bras (?) I say a BOND FIRE for the MANdated HC cards!
We can go underground for basic health care…most everyone knows a nurse…kapish?
Most of the Medical Industry is way over rated, over priced and a waste. To many tests and too many drugs.
BigCatLover 03.22.10 at 6:07 pm
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 5:09 pm
Shepard Smith was calling Michael Steele on his 3 pm eastern show about the over the top rhetoric the repubs have been using about passage of the bill – apocalyptic, armageddon, etc. At first, Steele went into the scripted ‘that’s what the American people are saying about the bill’, but Smith continued to call on him to ratchet down the rhetoric, which Steele did, laughing. Shepard is starting his 7 pm show now and may rerun the interview. Fox News.
scarlet 03.22.10 at 6:16 pm
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) announced Monday evening that he would vote “no” on the health care reconciliation package that was approved Sunday by the House and is expected to hit the Senate floor on Tuesday.
Nelson, who was widely seen as the 60th vote to help Senate Democrats clear health care reform in December, stood by his vote for the underlying, $875 billion Senate bill. But he cited several problems with the reconciliation package.
“No. 1, the student loan provision being included — not debated anywhere previously. It puts at risk 30,000 jobs at a time when we’re trying to create jobs all across America,” Nelson told reporters. “No. 2, the payroll tax on unearned income. I’ve always looked at that as a potential rescue for Medicare in the future and it goes into just general health care spending.”
Reconciliation legislation only requires 51 votes for passage, and Nelson’s opposition is unlikely to prevent Democrats from passing the health care sidecar bill.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/44528-1.html
FLBarbara 03.22.10 at 6:20 pm
OMG look at this shit
Barbara –President Barack Obama will soon sign comprehensive health care reform into law. A century-long fight will finally be won.As the President wrote last night, it was you who made this improbable victory possible. It was volunteers knocking on doors, talking to neighbors, and proving once again that Americans, standing together, can change the course of a nation.Supporters like us now have a chance to add our names as “Co-signers” of this historic legislation — adding our names next to President Obama’s to show our pride in helping to bring about this great achievement.We’ll establish a permanent archive with all the signatures, so that generations to come will have a record of those who stood together in this moment and won this fight for our future. And I will personally present all the names we collect to the President. Will you add your name?This is the most significant domestic achievement in decades. And this movement of Americans, committed to improving their country, made it possible.We turned out for that first cold morning in Springfield, for the canvasses in New Hampshire, for the phone banks in Iowa. We kept fighting when no one gave us a chance and the cynics told us we were clinging to a false hope.We organized for health reform. We spread the facts on doorsteps, in town halls, and through millions of conversations. Your voice rang through the halls of Congress and filled the pages of local newspapers.It took many months and tremendous resolve, but we built a national network of support so strong that when the deceptive attack ads choked the airwaves and the pundits declared our effort defeated — we had what it took to fight our way back.And we won: the toughest insurance regulations in history, affordable coverage for 32 million without it, relief from skyrocketing costs for small business owners and from rising deficits for our children.That’s the story of how change really happens. And now, hundreds of millions will have better lives because of it.It’s rare to be part of something so meaningful that will help change the course of history. But you are.Please consider adding your name as co-signer today to commemorate your efforts:http://my.democrats.org/CosignThank you,David PlouffePaid for and authorized by the Democratic party
Headclunker 03.22.10 at 6:21 pm
BillieJo 358
Why should they fix it? They have what they want.
BigCatLover 03.22.10 at 6:28 pm
I got my first robocall from a conservative republican saying we should vote for him because of the hc bill passage and that when our mail in ballot request form comes (mine came today) we should request the ballot for his party. Our primary is in early May.
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 6:32 pm
Headclunker 03.22.10 at 6:21 pm
BillieJo 358
Why should they fix it? They have what they want.
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I don’t mean this collection of backdoor thieves, but in the future, say in 2012 or 2016 if Hillary or some ‘good’ Dem won, could it be changed for the better or are we stuck with it the way it is?
FLBarbara 03.22.10 at 6:35 pm
Going to sign my name
Hugh P Ieceofshit
Headclunker 03.22.10 at 6:35 pm
BillieJo,
Of course it can be changed. It is a matter of the leadership. How will we ever get some that is decent? And a fair Public Option?
Lincoln freed the slaves.
Obama enslaved the free.
Headclunker 03.22.10 at 6:37 pm
From John McCain:
My Friend,
Late last night, the Democrats in the House of Representatives passed their massive government takeover of our health care system. This bill is terribly wrong for America and I call on you to join with me to challenge this bill in every way we can.
The fact remains that by a two-to-one margin, Americans do not want this bill to become law. On Saturday, I held town hall meetings in Arizona and we could not find one person who liked this bill. It’s shameful that the Obama Administration and Congressional Democrats have chosen to ignore the citizens of America.
I believe the will of the people will be reflected sooner or later. The Democrats will learn in November, that when you go against the wishes of the American people, you pay a steep and heavy price. Americans will not be silenced on this matter and I will continue to lead this fight each and every day.
I assure you I am not quitting our fight. I believe we must repeal this bill immediately.
I am currently working in every way possible on your behalf to accomplish this. However, I am facing a tough reelection campaign. If I am not reelected this year, I cannot fight for our shared values in the Senate. That’s why your immediate donation of any amount is so critical.
Your urgent support will enable me to continue our fight against this terrible bill.
Through tax increases and expensive burdens on small businesses, this bill will bankrupt our great nation. And while the inside-the-beltway Democrats are celebrating with champagne at the White House, anger is building outside the beltway.
I need your immediate help to send a message to these Washington Democrats. I ask that you take a moment today to make a generous contribution of $25, $50, $100, $250 or more to ensure I may continue fighting on your behalf.
I assure you that I will continue to challenge this bill in every way I can and will work to repeal it as soon as possible. Thank you for your continued support.
Sincerely,
John McCain
P.S. For the first time in American history, a major piece of legislation has been passed without bipartisan support. The fact remains, the American public does not want this massive government-run health care takeover. I am working to repeal the bill but I need your support to continue my service in the U.S. Senate. I am facing a tough reelection campaign and your immediate donation of $25 or more will enable me to continue fighting. Please follow this link to make your urgent donation. Thank you.
TerryDo 03.22.10 at 7:09 pm
Headclunker 03.22.10 at 6:37 pm
From John McCain:
My Friend,
I need your immediate help to send a message to these Washington Democrats. I ask that you take a moment today to make a generous contribution of $25, $50, $100, $250 or more to ensure I may continue fighting on your behalf.
I am facing a tough reelection campaign and your immediate donation of $25 or more will enable me to continue fighting. Please follow this link to make your urgent donation. Thank you.
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Headclunker does anyone ever get a message from a politician that does not involve a donation?
TerryDo 03.22.10 at 7:17 pm
HP Boston 03.22.10 at 5:34 pm
Yup I got a “post card” saying the census bureau sent me a census and they are waiting for it…mailed it last week. fuckwads!
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HP…..Write on the post card,with a big black marker stating
“IT’S IN THE MAIL!!!” and throw the card in the mailbox.
scarlet 03.22.10 at 7:25 pm
Creepy McCain needs money for his primary run…
March 18, 2010
Longtime incumbent John McCain now leads conservative challenger J.D. Hayworth by just seven points in Arizona’s hotly contested Republican Senate Primary race.
The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely Arizona GOP Primary voters shows McCain ahead 48% to 41%. Three percent (3%) favor another candidate, and eight percent (8%) are undecided.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_republican_primary_for_senate
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 7:33 pm
why do these politicians always ask for donations to do anything. Aren’t they already receiving salaries? geez…
any and every opportunity to line their coffers.
Do the work. If it;s good work and people agree with it… then they’ll contribute to re-elect you. If not, tough shit.
Zee 03.22.10 at 7:39 pm
omfg. I was working this weekend and also had my son over, so I completely missed the thread downstairs. i kept meaning to read what Murphy wrote, but would just get lost smiling at the picture of Skipper, and then move on to the current thread. I finally read it, and saw mention of prplvette, then went to that post in the thread before last and am SHOCKED.
I suppose this was hashed out in the last thread, but I have to quote it again up here, in case anyone missed it:
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After I signed the commitment paper, He tells me. You need to thank Janice for you getting the job, Paul, the owner doesn’t like to hire women. He has never hired a woman, but I told him ” you were an OLD BROAD, SO YOU WOULDN’T BE OUT TO STEAL WOMEN’S HUSBANDS”. So he agreed to hire you.
I have to tell you, I was so stunned, My first instinct was to just cold cock him and knock his ass out, and leave. Instead, I said ” what makes you assume, it would be the men I would go after”! His jaw dropped open, and I thanked him for the job and walked out! I was so pissed, I didn’t know what to do.
Zee 03.22.10 at 7:47 pm
prplvette….damn. Knock ‘em dead. I hope you make a killing. I’ve been working the home shows on weekends. The guy who hires us I think was going to give me a pass till I called him and he stuck me in some small show and they were floored at how I can reel them in. They thought I wouldn’t even fill one page of leads and I filled two. And even after I put in the rest of the season, one of the guys he hired seems to think he has to “train” me.
And will even come over and talk over me when I’m in the middle of talking to customers!
I know you will show up those guys. And I’m lmao at what you said!!!!
Zee 03.22.10 at 7:49 pm
scarlet, I’m not into dynasties, but I wish McCain would retire already and pass the baton to Meghan!!
Zee 03.22.10 at 7:51 pm
HP Boston 03.22.10 at 5:34 pm
Yup I got a “post card” saying the census bureau sent me a census and they are waiting for it…mailed it last week. fuckwads!
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me, too….just recycled it.
normapapuma 03.22.10 at 8:02 pm
#346, 358, Billie Jo
The way I see it Hillary tried her best to get universal healthcare passed when she was First Lady. It did not go over well with the American people then, and according to the polls it doesn’t work for them now either. The Clintons always said they trusted the American people and decided the American people were right to reject it. They dropped it. Hillary has not said much to encourage Obummercare and I think it’s because she knows Americans overwhelmingly reject it. I think she’s avoiding it like a poison pill now.
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 8:03 pm
I don’t believe Bejeweled Blitz is going to hold my interest while I wait out this one termer. W.Bush and B.Obama will equal 12 straight years of depression.
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 8:05 pm
normapapuma
I know the Repugs didn’t and still don’t want Hillary’s Universal Health Care bill, but 18 million voters did, or why would they vote for her?
normapapuma 03.22.10 at 8:13 pm
#338 Henry
I think that’s a great idea! I have been thinking of changing my registration to Independent. Still debating because, you know, you really can’t get Obots to listen anyway. I keep wanting to mess with the Dem primary first to vote against Benedict Arnold Specter first, but maybe sending a message at this time would be more useful.
One measly vote is all I have to fight these wretches.
BigCatLover 03.22.10 at 8:13 pm
Michael Moore is on Larry King Live blasting Obama for pushing a health care bill that leaves 15 million people still incovered and tells the rest of us we have to deal with the insurance companies whether we want to or not. He said it is 3 steps forward and one huge step backward and Obama is not a good leader and did not fight for single payer and pointed out that you haven’t seen any insurance execs on tv today complaining about the new hc provisions. Wolf Blitzer who is hosting is defending Obama wildly and tenaciously. Wolf is a hack.
BigCatLover 03.22.10 at 8:17 pm
Zee 03.22.10 at 7:49 pm
scarlet, I’m not into dynasties, but I wish McCain would retire already and pass the baton to Meghan!!
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Do you think McCain (John) is still popular enough that Meghan could succeed him in the Senate?
normapapuma 03.22.10 at 8:17 pm
Billie Jo
I voted for Hillary because she was smart, strong on national defense, and a woman. Not so much for healthcare. That was a side issue for me. Like, if you could make it cheaper, great. Was it the main reason you voted for her? Politely asking.
Zee 03.22.10 at 8:20 pm
BCL, oh, I have no idea how popular McCain is. And unfortunately, I think Meghan would be trashed because she’s a young woman.
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 8:24 pm
normapapuma
I have followed Hillary mainly since she was first Lady. I have found that almost everything she has stood for is what I believe in. I didn’t vote for her because she was a woman, I voted for her because she defends what I believe in, Universal Health Care, strong defense, women’s rights, she walks the walk and makes me proud to be a woman. Her being a woman, was just the cherry on the top.
I like the whole Hillary package.
Zee 03.22.10 at 8:25 pm
#331 dances
omg, I love this idea!!!!!
She should be fighting kids taking up smoking, hahahaha. Except that she can’t keep her own house under control!
I already know what I’m going to do, tho. If my postering idea works, I’ll send you some pics.
normapapuma 03.22.10 at 8:27 pm
HP Boston
Healthcare Underground! Not far from the truth. We’ll be avoiding taxes on cadillac plans, applying for government subsidies, buying medical coverage on the black market and Goddess knows what else in this great new system!
Zee 03.22.10 at 8:29 pm
#344 goofs… I agree. The rethuglicans are out to capitalize on this fiasco. That’s all.
I truly believe the women of both parties would’ve been able to achieve some real concensus. Too bad we didn’t have Hillary Clinton to lead this effort.
I know some will say fraudbama achieved what Hillary could not….that’s because he CAVED and catered to the corporate interests.
Whatever, water under the bridge now. He shoved the whole bridge under the bus.
normapapuma 03.22.10 at 8:33 pm
Billie Jo
Women’s rights was a biggie for me too! Will always love her for that. The majority of Americans have good healthcare and I was always grateful for the treatment my family members of all income levels have received, so that was never a huge issue for me.
My big issue now is the economy and fiscal responsibility. Who to turn to?
Zee 03.22.10 at 8:33 pm
Swannie, 323….good one! I see you framed that question!
Goofs…339….thank you SO much for that link.
I’m off to peruse it.
Zee 03.22.10 at 8:39 pm
One more thing!!!!!!!!! NOW is holding their national convention here in Boston this summer, july 2-4!!!!
They are asking that people submit workshops on their theme…loving our bodies, changing the world. Come on, now, PUMAs. I’m sure we could come up with one! Where are you Murphy??
My house will be half full, but I could fit another PUMA or two in various nooks and crannnies.
Here’s the link and deadlines:
http://www.now.org/organization/conference/2010/
The 2010 National NOW Conference will include a summit on health and body image issues, which led to this year’s theme, Loving Our Bodies, Changing the World.
Online registration is now available, as is hotel registration.
Upcoming Deadlines
April 3: Deadline to join NOW in order to be eligible to serve as a chapter’s voting delegate at the conference.
April 26: Last date to submit workshop proposals.
May 31: Group rate on hotel registration ends.
Zee 03.22.10 at 8:42 pm
Here’s one workshop idea: Putting the “War on Obesity” in Perspective.
Zee 03.22.10 at 8:44 pm
What about the War on Mothers, too? What’s with the freak out when breasts are used for feeding babies as opposed to as sex symbols?
Headclunker 03.22.10 at 8:45 pm
TerryDo #371
Seems that they all do. I guess that is how Americans are”participating” in national elections. Lord knows our votes do not seem to count.
goofsmom 03.22.10 at 9:01 pm
Zee,
#392 – If you find a translated version of the poem, please provide link. I could only find a small excerpt of it…
Headclunker,
#396 – Insightful and tragic, but oh so true. Who has the most money wins… SUCKS!
motherearth 03.22.10 at 9:02 pm
Normapuma:
Agreed with you the Clintons tried their best to pass the HC bill. O had to pass something (I mean forced)even if is bad. Rest assured I’ll do everything I can to make sure theyall are defeated in 2012.
DancesWithPumas 03.22.10 at 9:06 pm
Make a Comment on the Columbus Dispatch Article
Urge Ohioans to PUT A WOMAN IN STATUARY HALL.
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com
via Dr. Lynette Long
normapapuma 03.22.10 at 9:17 pm
#398
motherearth
I appreciate your assurance. Every single vote/voice mustered against this makes me feel a little better. As a Mom, my main priority is the country that is passed on to my children. I don’t want them to live in the USSA!(United Soviet States)
Virginia AG on Greta is ready to sue when bill is signed. e PA is also preparing to sue.
Now I’m ready to rest for tonight.
motherearth 03.22.10 at 9:19 pm
good night Normapuma and all pumas. Tomorrow is another day.
scarlet 03.22.10 at 9:32 pm
Insurers react: America’s Health Insurance Plans, the group representing nearly 1,300 member companies, said the legislation doesn’t go far enough in addressing escalating health care costs and improving the quality of care.
“Last summer there was a dramatic shift. It went from health care reform to health insurance reform,” said Robert Zirkelbach, spokesman for AHIP. “Overall, the legislation takes an important step in getting more people covered but it is off base in bringing [health care] costs under control.
Zirkelbach said the new measures will raise costs for families and small businesses.
He said the measure imposes “tens of billions of dollars in new taxes on insurance providers, pharmaceutical companies and medical device makers.”
“All this will increase the cost of coverage. At the same time, very little in the legislation changes the problems with how care is delivered,” he said.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/22/news/economy/health_care_reform_industry_reactions/index.htm?postversion=2010032217
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 9:37 pm
Where in the world is Murphy Sandy Eggo?
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 9:58 pm
Did anyone just listen to Greta, the women talking about the IRS handing out something like a 1099 to everyone on their insurance coverage, if they subjectively don’t think you have ‘basic’ coverage…you will have to buy their crap health care, the IRS can nab your tax return if you don’t buy insurance. I think they could also nab the money out of your paycheck.
You can run, but you can’t hide from the IRS.
Were Nasty, Reid and the Fraud smoking crack when they came up with this?
Try fighting with the IRS, it is like going to Hell in someone’s hand-basket.
Dragonfly 03.22.10 at 10:35 pm
scarlet 402
those insurance people are just lying, aren’t they? this is the astroturf for increased premiumus under Obamacare.
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 10:58 pm
OT but I call this MURDER!!!!
Michael Jackson Doctor STOPPED CPR To Hide Drugs, Kids Saw
Michael Jackson’s doctor halted CPR on the dying pop star and delayed calling paramedics so he could collect drug vials at the scene, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press that shed new light on the singer’s chaotic final moments.
The explosive allegation that Dr. Conrad Murray may have tried to hide evidence is likely to be a focus as prosecutors move ahead with their involuntary manslaughter case against him.
———- This guy should fry!!!! Involuntary manslaughter, bullshit!!!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/22/michael-jackson-doctor-st_n_509011.html
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 10:59 pm
Hi Dragonfly….
Swannie 03.22.10 at 11:42 pm
EVE has a facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Equal-Visibility-Everywhere/106466892709672
EVE is a group of people committed to creating Equal Visibility Everywhere for women. We’re a brand-new (March 2010) not-for-profit dedicated to achieving gender parity in the symbols and icons of the United States.
We’re taking on statues, stamps, street names, currency, national holidays, and more.
freddiebrown 03.22.10 at 11:49 pm
To the skinny assed guy calling himself president :
Wake up and smell the disapprovals !!!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/22/cnn-poll-majority-disapprove-of-obama-for-first-time/?fbid=5fF4JbnsFQu
Zee 03.22.10 at 11:53 pm
thanks, Swannie, and brava! to whoever created EVE.
For those who like me don’t touch facebook, here’s the website link:
http://equalvisibilityeverywhere.org/
Zee 03.22.10 at 11:54 pm
i went to the USPO today to buy stamps and was excited to see a dog and cat one. NO hounds, tho, so I passed!!!
DancesWithPumas 03.23.10 at 12:49 am
BillieJo 03.22.10 at 9:37 pm
Where in the world is Murphy Sandy Eggo?
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Murphy’s probably doing stuff. You know how she’s always doing stuff. Or thinking… always thinking, that one.
DancesWithPumas 03.23.10 at 12:49 am
This guy should fry!!!! Involuntary manslaughter, bullshit!!!!!
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Yup!
BillieJo 03.23.10 at 3:01 am
Another great post at HillaryIs44:
Barack Obama Celebrates Women’s History Month
{snip}
Betrayal. No matter what side of the abortion divide you stand on, you were betrayed. “Pro-choice,” “Pro-Life,” “Anti-abortion,” “Women’s Rights,” those became near-meaningless labels last night. The only divide which mattered was “Betrayed,” and “Betrayers.”
Now the “betrayers”, meaning the Obama Dimocratic Party, have to pay the consequences for their “Night of the Long Knives.” The Arrogance! and paternalism of the treacherous enterprise – “we know best and we’re doing what we want for your own good, and you will have to like it because we had to pass something/anything” – has a close historical analogy to the forced feeding of the Suffragettes. To make us all forget the force feeding of last night, shiny objects will be displayed.
The first line of defense against the American people, will be bamboozlement. Expect many events to “celebrate” the horror of last night and convince the imprisoned they should be grateful for their sparkling, new gilded cage.
{snip}
Obama Dimocrats believe that they can impose their will with a paternalistic pat on the head on a free people. Obama Dimocrats believe they can make someone who does not like something like it by describing how bad things would be otherwise. It’s a forced feeding.
“But it’s hard to benefit politically just because things don’t turn out as bad voters feared.
Consider last year’s economic stimulus package, which experts say prevented a steep economic downturn from being a whole lot worse. Obama and Democrats have received little credit for their rescue effort; to the contrary, the stimulus and serial bailouts that began under President George W. Bush have only fueled populist anger.”
Obama Dimocrats in the last hour played the race card. Defiantly marching through angry protesters, Nancy Pelousy and the once respected, once courageous, John Lewis (who due to fear and racial politics betrayed Hillary to endorse “”Johnny-come-lately” Obama) tried vainly to invoke the glory days of the civil rights era as a rationale for Obamination health scam:
http://www.hillaryis44.org/2010/03/22/barack-obama-celebrates-womens-history-month/#comment-284350
BillieJo 03.23.10 at 3:13 am
Riverdaughter has nailed it in her post:
[snip]
But even people such as myself who were in favor of health care reform and wanted to fix, not kill the bill, will find that the impact that this bill will have on women goes beyond abortion. It appears that it will mean higher rates for women and those higher rates may make an employer think twice about hiring and firing and promotions. As if women don’t have enough to worry about. Our salaries are lower than men’s but we will be forking out more of it to pay for our health. As cost sharing goes, this is a raw deal for women. It makes us a liability and drag on our employers’ bottom line and makes our lives harder.
And by the way, you propaganda artists, we happen to be among those 32 million uninsured.
Last night, Jane Hamsher put up a poll on FDL asking who was most to blame for selling out our abortion rights in the health care bill. The multiple choice answers included a number of culprits and probably all of them were responsible from Nancy Pelosi caving to Bart Stupak to Planned Parenthood staying silent to Barack Obama himself. But she left out the people who were really responsible and whose decisions two years ago were the genesis of the erosion of their rights today. That would be women such as Jane Hamsher herself who did not forcefully advocate for fairness in the primaries and who rejected a sure thing womens’ advocate in Clinton for a cipher in a mens suit. Barack Obama had a history of voting present on abortion legislation in Illinois. He met with evangelicals throughout the primary. The Democratic candidates who ran the same year scrubbed their support of reproductive rights from their website. The effect was to give the illusion to swing voters and religious voters that Barack Obama and the new Democrats were open to negotiation where womens’ reproductive rights were concerned.
I caught Jane on several occasions going head to head with conservative bloggers on C-Span and other programs, warning viewers that Republicans were going to take away their rights to abortion and that only Obama and the Democrats would protect them. And a lot of women, young women of child bearing age, listened to Jane and Jessica and Ariana and others like them, rejected Hillary Clinton in the primaries due to her Iraq War Resolution vote, heaped on Sarah Palin because of her anti-choice stance and failed to look carefully at what Barack Obama was doing or had done. The final insult was Ms. Magazine itself proclaiming that Barack Obama was some sort of superhero feminist on its cover after a year of the most brutal and obscene misogynism we have ever witnessed in a national campaign.
Jane is responsible for that. We, who Jane calls “a certain type of woman” because she doesn’t really understand who we represent, the newly unaffiliated liberal Democrats, were not deluded. We knew Obama by watching him. We believed our lyin’ eyes. And once again, we were proven right. It makes us villains to Jane. Instead of asking for our help, she gives us her scorn and disrespect. This is what happens when malicious forces act to divide us. Women, like the rest of the impotent left, can only watch in dismay as we are now relegated to the same socio-economic status we had 40 years ago.
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
theamericanway 03.23.10 at 5:42 am
Re: Census follow-up post card:
Eternities ago, I received USPS notification that my census form would soon be mailed. It turned out to be a misleading statement, because
during the interval of Friday March 12 – Sunday March 14, while I was traveling out of state, and many of us had that historical rain event, my form, in a plastic bag, was hung on the handle of the front screen door.
Open returning Sunday, I removed it from its hanging spot and set it down inside. There must have been several inches of water in the bag and it ran out onto the living room rug.
I sponged the water from the rug, spread the form and return envelope on a dish rack to dry. When dry, it was really wrinkly, so I set an iron on low and went to work. I will concede that whatever is in the paper and ink they used is waterproof. The ironing job went well until I decided to also ‘do’ the see-through envelope window. The window kind of shrunk a bit, causing one corner of it to become unglued.
It was time to fill out the form. I’d received from my local bank, a handout from the BBB saying all we are obligated is to state how many live at the residence. So I answered the first question, inserted the form into the envelope, and mailed the thing requesting the PO clerk to hand cancel and keep away from his sorting machines. Soon after I read somewhere about a $5000 fine if you don’t answer questions correctly, but think that’s for the extended questionnaire which is sometimes handed out.
I received the postcard which several commenters upthread have mentioned, several days ago. The message was dated March 22nd, just 10 days or less after I received the form. Guess the Census worker was a little slow getting the form to me. Another waste of postage.
theamericanway 03.23.10 at 5:43 am
Open = Upon
Notyoursweetie 03.23.10 at 6:10 am
The Unity pony is back in today’s tabloids
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/tabloids-hcr-signing-and-the-partisan-thinghy/
murphy 03.23.10 at 7:56 am
I’m here Billie — thinking is right. That’s what I’m doing — trying not to stew.
How does that saying go? It’s always darkest before the dawn — or is it, It’s always darkest before it turns pitch black!??
Zee 03.23.10 at 8:08 am
Hey Murphy!
And, thanks BillieJo, for that excerpt from Riverdaughter.
I do appreciate Jane Hamsher’s current work, but she should be held responsible and reminded of her role in this mess.
Zee 03.23.10 at 8:11 am
Murphy! While you’re stewing….cook up a way to hold a workshop at that NOW convention in july!
Delle 03.23.10 at 8:48 am
During an interview, Fineman said that obama is from the land of the long distance runner:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/03/23/msnbc-s-fineman-obamacare-preservation-enhancement-existing-system-ob
He backtracked, but he did say it.
They all know that obama is not a natural born citizen. They know it and yet they continue to cover it up and hide the fact from us.
In other words – they are all treating us like fools!
Notyoursweetie 03.23.10 at 8:58 am
New talking point unveiled: surprise! HCR was Romneycare all along!
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/jr-jr-through-the-looking-glass-hcr-was-romneycare-so-why-the-log-faces-gop/
vwade 03.23.10 at 9:04 am
Hooray! FINALLY check this out!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/cnn-poll-majority-disapprove-of-obama-for-first-time-2/
VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT!
scarlet 03.23.10 at 9:29 am
MSNBC health care poll
http://politics.newsvine.com/_question/2010/03/22/4048693-the-house-has-passed-an-historic-health-care-overhaul-are-you-excited-or-angry?ocid=facebook
kat in your hat 03.23.10 at 9:31 am
Signed, Sealed, but Not Delivered: Six Big Flaws Need Fixing to Make New Law Meaningful Health Care Reform http://bit.ly/bEVjwI (FDL)
Health Care Reform Victory Comes with Tragic Setback for Women’s Rights
http://www.now.org/press/03-10/03-21b.html (NOW)
(I think these were already posted, but just wanted to make sure all saw. bbl)
sistermoon3 03.23.10 at 10:54 am
http://www.atr.org/obama-sign-massive-tax-hike-working-a4681
murphy 03.23.10 at 11:13 am
The F word posted,
take it upstairs!
please repost links,
thx!
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