Morning Twitter

Oh Scotty Massachusetts already has MANDATED health insurance. Why not mention THE old repub GOV made the plan to MANDATE health insurance in Massachusetts. WE have MANDATED insurance. Oh you wily politicians…both you and Martha are duds. Do you all not see how you are being used by the power players. Martha you got tons of money to run from the thugs and Scotty you are being portrayed as the under dog by the (fat chance) poor out of
money and falling by the wayside, un popular, never going to get the mojo back republicans.

Gimme me a Break!

With the 2010 election year barely under way, Senators Chris Dodd and Byron Dorgan along with Gov. Bill Ritter — all Democrats — ditch plans to run for re-election in the latest signs of trouble for President Obama’s party.

3 down…ALL must go!

Nice wrap up of your twitters.
Moms do not like illnesses lingering within their kids.
I don’t know if this applies to your sick angel, but it’s what was wrong with one of mine way back in time. The lone symptom which I can recall was the child’s necessity to vomit once daily, and that defied all the logic I possessed. A clever woman doctor figured out what I could not imagine: post nasal drip. When enough of the obnoxious stuff dripped into his stomach, it was rejected. Over and over.
Perhaps this example of thinking outside the box will steer you to the reasoning you need to act appropriately. I surely hope so.

theamericanway 01.06.10 at 10:15 am

post nasal drip. When enough of the obnoxious stuff dripped into his stomach, it was rejected. Over and over.
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…The name for this affliction is called the Obama/Pelosi syndrome.
It is why we here retch all day long…

the year Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize — for a slide show on Global Warming.

This woman was also up for the award.

http://www.irenasendler.org/team.asp

now, I have a question, what does the weather have to do with peace? Tell me please, I want to know. I hope Al is all comfy in his 20,000 sqare foot home or somewhere, probably down in the Islands somewhere to avoid the brutal record breaking winter
blanket of frozen temps that we are all enduring.

By the way, I would get excited about Dobbs retiring, but Obama im quite sure already has the perfect job picked out for him.
He will just be moved to another position.

i need a new mouse, must wait til my account has more in it.

Murphy: has your child been vaccinated, and the fever
returning is the concern about the swine flu, in our children.

I’m not trying to scare you, just want you aware. I do this
for a living. A continuous high fever which is coming and
going, is most likely a bronchial problem, and may be
pneumonia, which is a bad thing.
Have you gone to the ER—with her.

Nikkismom…I can’t bear to think of that poor baby’s injuries. But Martha didn’t construct the system. As HP noted in her excerpt, this is still happening. A child rapist was let out on bail and raped again just recently in Massachusetts. We need to address this on a legislative level, which as HP also noted, Karyn Polito is finally doing.

Coakley didn’t do that because it was not her job to file legislation. Her job entailed fielding 900 sexual abuse complaints a year. So multiply the horrifying details of this case by 3, and do it again tomorrow, and the next day, and the next….and never stop.

I can’t relate to Martha Coakley’s dispassionate demeanor personally. But what would you have a professional do? Break down three times a day?

The media is building up Scott and bringing out sensational details about specific cases Coakley handled for the same old reason: they like to create horse races.

And as far as why people are going to be voting against Martha, this Boston Globe commenter says it best:

“Martha is just an ambitious woman who keeps looking to a higher office.”

Oh the horror.

Yup two peas in a pod………

“Scott is just an ambitious man who keeps looking to a higher office.”

Oh the horror.

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nprpolitics: Posing The Top 10 Political Questions For 2010 http://su.pr/37vurI
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murphy, I hope she gets better soon, really. you say: “This lingering illness with persistently high and recurring fever is freaking me the hell out.” That’s *really* scary sounding… I hope it vanishes!

Mornin’ PUMAs -

Wow Murphy – sorry to hear about the youngun’ – I’m not a doctor so I won’t make any suggestions but I sure hope she gets better really really soon – could this be something related to the H1N1 flu?

Have been watching a big orange machine with big claw bucket on it tear down a building right across the street from my apt bldg – it was a business that made those concrete fountains & things with a living space above – probably a story & 1/2 high – city bought (probably threat of imminent domain) & they have been messing around there since last summer – cutting wires & chopping down shrubs & bushes – now the bldg is going down & everything is going into basement – main part of bldg was concrete blocks – funny – probably took awhile to build originally but only one day to tear down – there is also a house next door – big space between – people that lived there were there before I moved in this place (13 yrs ago in April) & they were working on the place all that time – residing, building big wraparound porch (almost deck-like) big garage with all kinds of stuff in it (cars were parked outside – why build a garage if not used for cars? never can understand that logic) – anyway now that the place is halfways decent looking – city bought those people out too & guess their place will be torn down or maybe moved on one of those house movers thingys? Don’t know what the city is going to do but guess I will find out over the next few months…………………..

Didn’t watch much news yesterday – making up for it kinda today – holy crap – are these Dems goin’ out with a bang or what? Let the lawsuits begin against all the shit they are going to try & push thru – makes me sick to my stomach to realize how much my former party has changed & it’s definitely not for the better – I was raised to work hard for what I wanted and/or needed & that I was entitled to nothing except paying taxes & dying – things sure have changed – everybody wants the government to take care of them – not me – when I see the screw ups – I just wanna scream & shout no no no………..

Oh well to quote Scarlet – tomorrow is another day – gotta get thru this one first………………..

Ha, NPR is saying the Democrats now have *4* open seats in November. I missed who the fourth is.

This is one of those love/hate days. I love snow, I love PUMAs, I love that tomorrow means I got through another day…

- of another child being raped, and often mutilated too, minute by minute in this country

- of slavery, in one form or another, here and now in the USA

- of wrongheaded arguments over whether the {D} or {R} incumbent will either “balance” or “support” El Presidente Nero O’Zero in his allegedly “socialist” agenda, oh puh-leeze.

PUMAs, we are facing a corporatist takeover. Obobblehead is a corporatist. So is Arianna Huffinpuff. So is Scott Brown and so is Chris Dodd.

So there.

Bob Beckel on Fox said Dodd is leaving to ensure that the Conn. Senate seat will stay in Democratic hands. He said Dodd might have won re-election, but by leaving he ensures the seat will be dem. with the dem candidate that is running now. So Obama sends another one under the bus.

Btw, that O’Zero link is about how he and his pal Timmy Geithner are using the IRS to take over Sioux Indian lands:

Obama Sells Out The Sioux
“America’s own Real Estate Shyster-in-Chief, Barack Obama, is selling out *two* nations with a new Sioux Indian land grab by the IRS. This hypocritical Christmas gift from him and Timothy Geithner is a cozy deal for a wind energy cartel but a dirty steal of taxpayers’ money and a tribe’s future.”

They didn’t waste any time. Just a couple of weeks ago, they auctioned off the land of some of the poorest people in America. A judge stopped it just long enough for the Crow Creek Sioux to come up with a final appeal at the end of March.

Is the IRS run by {R}s or {D}s? Both! A swindler is a swindler. O’Zero is a swindler, so are Geithner, Valerie Jarrett, and nearly all the Republicans yelling about him but… doing nothing to stop the IRS, and the corporate monopoly who want the land, from stealing it right out from under the people.

Social-Psyche 01.06.10 at 12:11 pm

PUMAs, we are facing a corporatist takeover. Obobblehead is a corporatist. So is Arianna Huffinpuff. So is Scott Brown and so is Chris Dodd.

So there.

You forgot the Supreme Court and all those monkeys!

Hi HP!

Naw, I didn’t forget ‘em. Who can forget the SCOTUS? It rhymes in perfect sync with TOTUS and POTUS.

But HP, you just insulted innocent monkeys. After all, monkeys can type! Do you think O’Zero can? Scalia and Roberts? Ew, I just gave myself “the willies” from saying their names. Mustn’t look directly into John Roberts’ eyes, not even inside my own imagination….

#29, you know the sad thing about the ILLEGAL by the way auction of the Souix land, is they probably voted for his ass because they tend to think a mad of color would be more helpful
hell I have family members that thought that, I tried to tell them, but they would NOT listen. Not that the Native American vote would have made a damn as far as numbers are concerned

My quote may be slightly skewed from the intent of the article:

Nancy Pelosi takes swipe at President Obama’s campaign promises
snip A reporter reminded the San Francisco Democrat that in 2008, then-candidate Obama opined that all such negotiations be open to C-SPAN cameras.
“There are a number of things he was for on the campaign trail,” quipped Pelosi, who has no intention of making the deliberations public. snip
The House aides, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Pelosi has been miffed with Obama’s tilt toward the Senate plan and his expectation that the House would simply go along with the Senate bill out of political necessity.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31180.html

Ain’t life a bitch when you’re the handmaiden for the messiah?

Hi yaz, sistermoon in #35:

Based on some listserv e-mails I was receiving during the ‘08 campaign months, and on blog posts of course, I’d say a lot of NDNs supported him, or were giving him an open mind and ear, at the very beginning. But our/their built-in sh!t-detection equipment is very sensitive, so he was sniffed out once he began to backtrack, and he was foolish enough to be a no-show for a couple of important Indian events. “Obama speaks with forked tongue” quickly became the obvious joke.

I think at keast a few of those same blogs from back then are included in Victoria’s links for her “Obama Sells Out the Sioux” miscellani.org article.

You can bet the list of Native American blogs opposing him is growing, sistermoon.

BCL – Bob Barker donates $5 mil to purchase a new ship!

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-100105-1.html

#42, Susie, i hear you loud and clear, by the way, steele doesnt think repubs have it made in 2010, he knows it’s gonna be a hard fight all the way he aint stupid.

I would rather know where someone actually stands than to be lied to. which is worse, believing a liar and finding out he meant nothing he said, or knowing someone might actually get rid of some damn pork barrel spending and tell the lobbyist where to stick it. Hell, sarah wont have time to think about abortion or religion if she does that, that will consume four freaking years alone.

home from the so called job interview. Spent last night researching at&t. memorized vision statement. went over my skillset, went over all possible scenarios of what would you do questions, what are your strong attributes, what are your weaknesses. This morning took shower, did hair making sure to try to hide gray patches as much as possible. Pantsuit clean, ironed, purple blouse. Looking pretty good so far. Set navigator, got there 15 minutes early, just early enough. Walk in. one asian girl at a counter, att posters on wall, fill out short information sheet…then…
out walks a zit faced 20 something male, shaking my hand introducing himself as if he was a seasoned CEO of a major corporation. We go into a room with tables and a laptop and a few chairs. His opening statement was We are a marketing firm for att. You will know by 7pm if you are the right candidate……
(thoughts of fuck off you piece of shit pre-pubescent boy who hasn’t even grown into that putrid green suit you are wearing were swirling around in my head)
He then proceeded to tell me the hours were anywhere from 40 to 80 a week, and you have to go to peoples homes to sell the Uverse product from att. There was a below minimum wage salary and commission which would be discussed after they decided if they wanted me. Have any questions? WTF? Yes I sure the hell do I thought. He stood up, said thanks for coming in. I said under my breath kiss my Italian ass, and have a great day! Total time in “interview” 15 minutes.

((((Murphy and Murph Jr.))) – Hopes for a speedy recovery, I hope your Dr. figures out what this is and Skipper gets well soon.

((((Greenfun and her child))) – my friend Greenfun, I hope the surgery goes super well and they get all of it. I am here for you. Let me know if there is anything I can do. Speedy recovery and hugs.

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It isn’t easy being a mom, and when your child is seriously ill, know us women support you. Love to you and your children.

(((purple)))

Nancy Pelosi takes swipe at President Obama’s campaign promises

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31180.html

Oh Nasty isn’t jumping up and clapping at her anointed one today…little battle for power going on between Barcako, Pelosi and Reid and the (I Don’t Give a Damn about YOUR) Health Care bill.

Hi Murphy! So sorry to learn that Skipper is still sick. Recurrent high fever is always worrisome. My younger son had frequent bouts of walking pneumonia that kept us on familiar terms with the pediatrician. PUMA moms have all been there at one time or another. Know that our hearts and thoughts are with you.
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prplvette85 01.06.10 at 1:43 pm

Hang in there, prplvette! You will prevail. If not this job, then another opportunity will present itself and you’ll be ready. You are disciplined, experienced, knowledgeable and self-assured. Would you really want to report to ‘a zit faced 20 something male… introducing himself as if he was a seasoned CEO of a major corporation’ anyway? (It occurs to me that many large communications companies could benefit from your expertise. Have you considered offering your services as an independent professional consultant rather than as an employee?)
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Good thoughts and prayers to all PUMAS and loved ones going through tough times.

prplvette85 AT&T
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I worked at a location in NJ for 20 years. Management sucked. Pay was exceptional, and that’s why I stayed. My immediate supervisor had it in for the company – they nearly laid him off 6 years before I got there. So his rule was screw the company: put down 10 hours o’time every week but don’t work it. On business trips, pad expenses 20%. Etc. After 10 years I complained about this in an venue through which they could pinpoint my division, but not me. There was an investigation; two of our higher division’s higher ups located in a different state were shown the door.
Just amazing. I’ve no idea how other locations are, and this was decades ago. So I probably should have taken the higher road and resisted the rant.

If sister sally is ill, she will have the best of the best taking care of her you better believe that. Never forget, never forget how she praised Obama so and just shoved Hillary out the door.
Nancy will be fine, she has a the world at her call.

sistermoon3 – don’t worry I will NEVER forget how she treated Hillary …. was just wondering how NP could be so delusional

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/democratic-leaders-line-up-committee-replacements-for-dodd-dorgan/

THIS WHOLE DODD THING, has been in the works for many moons, i knew it had been, i know dodd didnt give a crap when he kept pushing this healthcare bill and reid too. all of em
this is deeper than we will ever know, and all these folks leaving, they have been promised higher positions or more money of the two, they arent jumping ship, they are just gettin g on yatch.

By the way, shouldnt a Native American be in charge of Indian Affairs, and isnt it about time they started calling it that
jees, hello, dc, is anyone really home or are you thinking the palace of dc comforts you and we are just your subjects

Aww shoot prplvette85. That sucks about the job. But like someone else said (remnov?), that just wasn’t the right job for you. You’ll find something.

Richard Blumenthal, democratic replacement for Dodd’s seat was just interviewed on Fox. He is currently attorney general of Conn. and claims he did not ask Dodd to step aside. (Probably his first lie on tv). I’m not impressed.

Thanks for your kind thoughts everyone xxxxxxxoooooo.
Out of surgery and in recovery. whew.

NikkisMom 01.06.10 at 12:17 pm

BTW, Zee – I don’t support Scott Brown either. I hate all politicians right now – I’m with HP – vote all the bums out! Don’t know yet who to replace them with – monkeys, maybe?

BUT, I will say this: If it is the intention to stop the Obama and Congress agenda, then does a democrat that will be nothing more than a rubber stamp for Obama deserve support? I dunno – I’m so conflicted these days.

The withdrawals of Dorgan and Dodd are nothing more than a political move. They didn’t stand a chance of getting re-elected. Obama will now be able to run more electable democrats or rather more ‘rubber stamps’ in those states.

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Yup yup and yup Nikkismom…………..Who the hell knows who to vote for?
I don’t “support” Brown…..I’D RATHER BE EUPHORIC ABOUT VOTING FOR COAKLEY! I guess it really does not matter who as it seems the money (corporations) is twisting our government into a strong armed money taking machine, all from us! So who ever plays ball(all in) gets paid the most and goes with the corporate flow!

Whoa – the arrogance is just astounding….

Congress Tinkers with Witholding Tax Tables for 2010

Recently, retired military have received e-mail messages notifying them of a withholding tax increase. The email states:

NO ANNUAL COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT (COLA) WILL BE ADDED TO MILITARY RETIRED PAY IN 2010.

DUE TO RECENT LEGISLATION YOUR FEDERAL WITHHOLDING TAX HAS CHANGED.

After much investigating and several discussions with the IRS, it appears the Democrats have played a “cash-flow trick” on working Americans and are taking more out of American’s paychecks across the board–all the while touting the Making Work Pay tax credit.

..snip…
Unlike the middle class wage earners, who are going to see huge amounts taken out of their paychecks, unless they increase their exemptions on their W4 form, it’s an increase that most wouldn’t even notice–$10 or $20 in some cases. Here are some of the “highlights” of the new 2010 withholding tables:

Go to the link to read the highlights….
http://biggovernment.com/2010/01/06/dems-tinker-with-withholding-tax-tables-for-2010/#idc-container

#19 HP

Um, no, but NICE TRY, HP. Show me ONE single poster or comment anywhere that says Brown is an “ambitious man only after higher office.”

But, hey. Carry on. If they are really two peas in one pod, as you claim, have fun voting for the man and claiming you’re for empowering women.

I have a question – answer or not – do these companies that outsource jobs overseas because it is cheaper to manufacture whatever it is they manufacture ever stop to think who’s gonna buy their shit? If it is cheaper to make overseas then maybe they should try to sell it overseas also but whoa – if they don’t charge more than it costs to make, they don’t make a profit but, if they pay shit wages to the serfs – they can’t afford to buy it and if nobody is working here in the US where we used to have pretty good stuff made here and also made pretty good wages – but now have no money because the jobs are being outsourced overseas – we won’t be buying it *whatever it is’ either – isn’t this kind of a catch-22 syndrome?

Just wonderin’

#17 Murphy:

“Martha is just an ambitious woman who keeps looking to a higher office.”

right. women are supposed to know their places, which is down, down, down.
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Testify.

Words to the wise who can hear them.

#24 HP

lmao!!

And they wonder why Palin is such a threat?

Joseph Cannon sees Jeb Bush as the frontrunner…

“Nary a PEEP did we hear from the media on Huckabee’s complicity. Why don’t you concern yourself with that?”

Ummm, yes the media did cover it. And you have no idea about my concern over that. Lastly, Huckabee isn’t running for office – Martha is. The old “he did it too” – pointing to someone else’s wrongs doesn’t make it right for the other person.

“The facts are that you can promote a homophobic republican male over a to the bitter end HILLARY SUPPORTING Dem woman over my dead body.”

WTF? Want to show me where I promoted Brown? Sorry, just because she’s a woman doesn’t mean she gets a free pass on everything. I’ll stick up for the innocent children before I’ll stick up for a politician.

OK…fine…this guy who claims ownership of the term PUMA is a bit of an opportunist. But this may amuse some:

http://www.examiner.com/x-19823-PostPartisan-Examiner~y2010m1d6-Clinton-backstabber-472-goes-down-in-flames-Chris-Dodd-forced-out?cid=examiner-email

Oh, but nice try. I’ll hazard a guess that Martha could raise your hackles and chill your blood with daily horror realities she’s had to deal with.

omg…#26 nikkismom looks connected to # 73…you guyz are double-teaming me!!

Zee, cpying this from the article you linked to in #87 because i like the listing of those who went down in flames.

‘When Chris Dodd stabbed Hillary in back by jumping on the hope and change express during the 2008 primaries – endorsing the fledgling Teleprompter reader over his longtime friend and colleague – Dodd must have known that it would come back to bite him. After all, he remarked at the time:

“I’m sure she’ll remember, for the rest of her life, who was with her and who wasn’t.”

Yes, I’m sure she will. And I’m sure she is laughing her head off in pure schaudenfreude at Dodd’s sorry fate right now. Or more like pitying him and the rest of the people who thought becoming Obamacrats would serve them well in their futures.

Wrong.

Dodd joins these other flailing, humiliated Clinton backstabbers in the trash bin of history: Greg Craig, Bill Richardson, Tom Daschle, Nancy Pelosi, David Paterson, Chris Matthews, Howard Dean, John Kerry, Her Royal Highness Princess Caroline Kennedy of Schlossberg, Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson Jr., and John Edwards.

How do you like the President now, guys? Karma is indeed a b—h. Named Rodham Clinton.’

#28 (((HP)))

I hope your beloved gets well. Yeah, letting all of us along the way vent our “deep thoughts” is imperative. And I hope you understand I sit at your feet on that one.

Cupmyballs….what was it you coined? I think you were already gone on vacation when the rest of us were splitting our sides laughing over that one…

#30 ((((greenfun)))

I’m hoping it all comes out well. Yes, some of us come out on the other side, no worries.

BCL, we should put out a call…pronto!

#47 (((((prplvette)))))

Welcome to hell. Don’t stop. We have to find our niche before the next storm hits.

Don’t fret. There are more pitfalls to learn. My former boss, the ASSHOLE, is specifically advertising for more of these pimple faced boyz. The wonderful woman who was my supervisor is gone.

Keep going. I’m working for one woman, PT, and interviewing with two more for multiple PT opportunities. Not relaxing, but necessary.

FECK Update
http://pumapac.org/forums/feck-obama-team/comment-page-3/#comment-407531

Zee in #86 says:

And you think you’re the only one who has to think of Reputation?

“You had me except for “I love snow.”

It’s all the fault of Ice. The tender ever-so-cool Snow, a bit flakey to be sure but in a sweet old hippie sort of way, gets blamed with a Bad-Rap-and-Rep because of what Ice does.

You need merely wave your arms in the Snow and it’ll make angels for you. The nasty frosty Ice won’t let you do that. It just does costly damage to roofs, shovels, trees ‘n’ flowers, and most heartbreakingly, to the Reputation of Snow.

{the poet defense rests for a moment}

The Tea Party Patriots have a petition going to support CNN’s request for open hearings:
http://teapartypatriots.org/supportcspan/

Headclunker 01.06.10 at 7:22 pm

FECK Update
http://pumapac.org/forums/feck-obama-team/comment-page-3/#comment-407531
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Hope Obama enjoys his New Year’s present.

This job was posted in paper. Should I email back and say Bitter old Bitch seeking employment for hard headed asshole. Can throw insults faster than the speed of light. Always at least 3 steps ahead because I do not walk behind a man. Demand a good salary, benefits, retirement.

prpl
Answer the ad and take Roxie to the interview. LOL

prpl
Goodnight.

Received from Courage Campaign asking for support from all over the country not just California.

[This is extremely urgent and extremely important.

U.S. District Court Judge Vaughn Walker -- who will be overseeing a federal court challenge to Prop 8 starting this Monday (January 11) -- is considering whether or not to open the court room to TV cameras.

The court just announced that it is seeking public comment on the proposal to televise the trial -- and that all comments must be submitted to the court by a Friday deadline.

The interest in this case is unprecedented. And not surprisingly, supporters of Prop 8 -- who eliminated the right of same-sex couples to marry -- do NOT want the trial to be televised.

Opponents of Prop 8 -- led by attorneys David Boies and Ted Olson -- are seeking to televise the case in the interests of full transparency. They want this historic trial to be watched by as many Americans as possible. And, of course, we agree.]

To sign the petition go to:
http://www.couragecampaign.org/TeleviseTheTrial

Hi (((Remember))), yes, I am here but just lurking lately.
Sort of dealing with financial bs and bummed that I have to go back to work tomorrow.

I have been around though.
Hugs to you and my PUMAs and wishing that the PUMA babies are going to get well real soon.
(((Greenfun, Murph and Skipper. )))

January 7, 2010
Mary Daly, a Leader in Feminist Theology, Dies at 81
By MARGALIT FOX
Mary Daly, a prominent feminist theologian who made worldwide headlines a decade ago after she retired from Boston College rather than admit men to some of her classes, died on Sunday in Gardner, Mass. She was 81 and had lived for many years in Newton Centre, Mass.

A friend, Linda Barufaldi, confirmed the death, saying Professor Daly had been in declining health recently.

A self-described “radical lesbian feminist,” Professor Daly maintained a long, often uneasy relationship with Boston College, the Jesuit institution where she had taught theology since the 1960s.

In 1999, Professor Daly left the college after a male student threatened suit when he was denied a place in her class on feminist ethics. She had long limited enrollment in some advanced women’s studies classes to women only, maintaining that the presence of men there would inhibit frank discussion.

Professor Daly did let men enroll in her introductory feminism courses and offered to tutor them privately in the advanced subjects.

Among the first American women to train as a Roman Catholic theologian, Professor Daly challenged orthodoxies from the start. She came to wide attention in 1968 with the publication of “The Church and the Second Sex” (Harper & Row), in which she argued that the Catholic Church had systematically oppressed women for centuries.

Her next book, “Beyond God the Father: Toward a Philosophy of Women’s Liberation” (Beacon, 1973), explored misogyny in religion in general.

“She is a central figure in 20th-century feminism,” Robin Morgan, the feminist writer and former editor of Ms. magazine, said in a telephone interview on Monday.

Professor Daly’s work was the subject of a critical anthology, “Feminist Interpretations of Mary Daly” (Pennsylvania State University, 2000), edited by Sarah Lucia Hoagland and Marilyn Frye.

If Professor Daly’s ideology placed her outside mainstream academic and religious life, then that, by her own account, was where she was glad to be. Formerly a practicing Catholic, she came to regard organized religion as irreparably patriarchal, in later years calling herself “post-Christian.” Where her scholarly concerns had once been largely theological, she gradually came to regard them as spiritual in the broadest sense of the word.

Mary Daly was born in Schenectady, N.Y., on Oct. 16, 1928. By the time she was an adolescent, the natural world seemed to resonate for her in a way it did for few others.

“Especially important was a startling communication from a clover blossom one summer day when I was about 14,” she wrote in an essay in The New Yorker in 1996. “It said, with utmost simplicity, ‘I am.’ ”

After earning a bachelor’s degree in English and Latin from the College of Saint Rose in Albany in 1950, she earned a master’s in English from the Catholic University of America and a Ph.D. in theology from Saint Mary’s College in Notre Dame, Ind. She later earned two more doctorates, in philosophy and theology, from the University of Fribourg in Switzerland.

Professor Daly joined the Boston College faculty in 1966. In 1969, in a widely reported case, she was denied tenure, a development interpreted by many as a response to “The Church and the Second Sex.” After more than 1,500 students signed a petition supporting her — most were men, for the college did not admit women to its liberal arts division until 1970 — she was reinstated with tenure.

In 1999, when Professor Daly and Boston College parted company, a spokesman for the college said she had agreed to retire. She maintained she was forced to retire.

Critics alternately praised and condemned Professor Daly for her pyrotechnic, bitingly witty, eccentrically capitalized and punctuated style.

Most were enchanted by “Websters’ First New Intergalactic Wickedary of the English Language” (Beacon, 1987; with Jane Caputi). A lexicon of new, nonsexist English, the book contains original coinages, like “Mister-ectomy” (“a guaranteed solution to The Contraception Problem”), plus familiar pejoratives like “crone” and “hag,” rehabilitated as emblems of pride.

But some reviewers seemed discomforted by Professor Daly’s later prose, which appeared to dovetail ever more snugly with New Age rhetoric:

“Although I was not in a ‘trance’ when writing ‘Gyn/Ecology,’ I was in a special mode of creative consciousness, which stemmed, in part, from a will to overcome all phallocratically imposed fears and Move on the Journey of Gynocentric Creation,” she wrote in the 1990 edition of “Gyn/Ecology: The Metaethics of Radical Feminism” (Beacon), originally published in 1978.

Professor Daly leaves no immediate survivors.

Her other books include “Pure Lust: Elemental Feminist Philosophy” (Beacon, 1984) and “Outercourse: The Be-Dazzling Voyage: Containing Recollections From My Logbook of a Radical Feminist Philosopher (Be-ing an Account of My Time/Space Travels and Ideas — Then, Again, Now, and How)” (HarperSanFrancisco, 1992).

Reviewing “Pure Lust” in The New York Times Book Review in 1984, the religious-studies scholar Demaris Wehr wrote: “Mary Daly is an extraordinary woman and this is an extraordinary work, demanding unusual spiritual and intellectual effort from its readers. The effort is worth it.”

Ms. Wehr added, “Her powerful mind, her creative genius and her uncanny ability to put her finger on deep emotional, psychological and spiritual problems are ignored at our peril.”

nytimes

Murphy,

I’m sorry about your sick sweetheart. I have been trying to catch up and saw sheila7’s suggestion. I think she is onto something. My daughter had a lingering illness last February and it also turned out to be pneumonia. I felt like such an idiot for waiting to get the chest x ray, but my kids had never been sick, not even ear infections to speak of, one or two stomach viruses lasting a day, that’s it. When she got sick, I just couldn’t believe she had anything serious.

Anyway, try the chest x ray if you haven’t already. Hope she gets better soon!

greenfun – let us know about your child. (((greenfun)))

Remember November 117

I signed the petition and forwarded the link.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/03/AR2010010302110.html?wpisrc=nl_pmpolitics

Twenty percent of chemicals used in our products are secret, making it difficult to regulate. This story refers to a nurse who was diagnosed with chemical poisoning after treating a man who reeked of a still unknown chemical. The ingredients in the cocktail were not disclosed for trade secret reasons. So, the law says it is more important to protect a company’s investment than it is to avoid chemical poisoning. The nurse has continued to have respiratory problems.

Rich harvest today in tabloids
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/tabloids-the-screw-up-the-dem-dropping-out-and-the-state-of-the-state/

sistermoon3 am i the only one?
Nope. I see it as you do. There’s an article saying she’s po’d because not much of what the House wanted in the bill is going to be there.
RemVem #58: I am really mad at Mrs Pelosi but seriously had not thought that something could be wrong with her
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I’ve no inside info on Nancy. It’s just that the more I see her behavior, the more I’m convinced she must have a personality disorder which renders her inappropriate for the position she holds. Her Speakership thrilled me, but I soon came referring to her as Cruella de Pelosi. Lately I’ve been wondering how a person can be so ditsy and not realize it – or pretend not to realize it. But then there’s O as well.
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I’ve seen no TV coverage of the drama playing out in MA – the thought that the upcoming election could threaten HC. So I put on my thinking cap and turned up the volume on my ears (reference to a darling kindergarten scene involving first grandchild)when the tease appeared to mention the topic. However, it was strictly about the Kennedy’s endorsing Martha today, or maybe it already happened. So you had to know the background to appreciate the story. I’m not commenting one way or another about that race, only to say I’m sorry to see hype entering it at this late date.

Details are fuzzy, but there was just a race in NY State where the guy campaigned on voting one way, then voted the other. Relative unknowns are unpredictable. Take Obama, for example.

B0bots really, really had it!
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/b0bots-have-had-it-and-flaunt-it/

Good Morning Murphy is Skipper feeling better today? What did the doctor prescribe?
Make a cup of coffee and cuddle in bed this morning.
Oh wow we are having SUNSHINE! It is a balmy 28 degrees and no snow ‘cept a light flurry tomorrow.
Skipper thanks for the hugs in greeting on the day before the day before Christmas…you are a good friend. luv hp.

(((HP))) That’s what they say to expect here, about 12-13 inches. I don’t plan on going out today, but have another vet appt. tomorrow. I would rather drive today, when it is soft pretty snow, tomorrow, probably more ice it is -12 here right now with wind chill.
How is your hubby doing? Feeling better I hope

We haven’t gotten the snow yet in Columbus but it’s supposed to be coming. I’m trying to decide if I can hurry and sneak out to the libary before it hits and pick up the Mary Daly book I put on reserve.

so far i have kept my new year’s resolution, i havent watched the view, joy behar’s show, and oprah LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

sistermoon3 01.07.10 at 11:00 am

so far i have kept my new year’s resolution, i havent watched the view, joy behar’s show, and oprah LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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It’s better for the blood pressure not to watch them. Your body will thank you. LOL

prplvette85 01.07.10 at 10:43 am

Yikes it is cold there! We have the severe cold blocked by a high sitting over New England. My sister is freezing in St Pete! Fl.
My hubby will have chest c-scan tomorrow…bone scan was not normal. I am big time worried.
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Hey Fl Barbara how are you? Where are you, been thinking bout ya and wish you were in a warm happy place. Ya I know, if only!?

I’m glad the NYT finally got around to a post on Jan 7th about Mary Daly. I found a link for the segment NPR did on Monday about her. It’s much shorter, too short in fact, but it offers somewhat different details and perspectives…

“Feminist Theologian Mary Daly Remembered”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122258110
by Barbara Bradley Hagerty

…such as explicitly saying Prof Daly didn’t allow the male student into her advanced class for the stated reason that he simply had not taken the prerequisite(s). She also noticed “I saw women that were repressed. When they’re in classes with young men, they shut up all the time. They’re laughed at if they have unusual ideas. They have to be sexy, then they can’t really think.”

And if you’re snowed in today, you might want to hear or read the more detailed, very moving NPR interview with Charles Pellegrino, about the experiences and accomplishments of Tsutomu Yamaguchi, a remarkable man who died on Monday of cancer at age 93, and who had survived *both* nuclear bombs at Nagasaki and Hiroshima:

“Only Survivor Of Both Atomic Bombs Dies”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122291007

Snow Day here for the kiddies! I love snow days! However, right now the wind chill is between -10 and -15 so it’s not real pleasant for sled riding.
Road crews haven’t even gotten to my subdivision yet so it looks like I’m in for the day. Plenty of hot chocolate and fire in the fireplace though. That’s all ya need.

Prplvette,
Fine here in St. Louis but the shooter thing is scary. Last I heard they hadn’t found him. They are looking for him now in his neighborhood which is not very far at all from my house.

sistermoon,
that is great that these guys are turning on the one but is it a little bit to late?

(((HP&Hubby)))
Everything will be alright. Maybe they read scan wrong, could just be a shadow. Sending positive thoughts. I know it must be very hard for you to keep from showing him how worried and scared you are. It is a difficult situation to be in. I went through it with my mother. It really takes a toll on us.

Sistermoon3,
What part of St. Louis is he moving?

Trying to catch up.
HPBoston,
I am with prplvette85. We will all think positive thoughts. You never know. (((HPBoston and Hubby))).

Minnesota will now start tracking patients who are taking prescription painkillers. Hope and change getting ready with the healthcare bill

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1345871.shtml?cat=1

He voted to pass the bill. Got sweetheart deals for my homestate (cornhusker deal), polls shows the once most popular united states senator now dead in the water for reelection and he comes home to nebraska to say this.

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1345871.shtml?cat=1

” We should have waited on healthcare”

Hey Senator Nelson….save it you already cost my childrens future with your monstocity of a healthcare bill which has nothing to do with healthcare.

a fun morning game for you all.

WHo is quoted for saying this……
There’s never been a more open process evah

I wanted to open up a question to everyone. Answer me this.

I retired on the 1st of December. During my past 20 years the Air Force has paid on my behalf into Unemployment Insurance for me. Now that i am no longer working i went and filed for benefits and this is what i was told.

You chose to stop working so you will only get a partial amount of unemployment insurance but had you been fired we would pay your the full amount.

Which leads me to question them. But wasnt payments made on my behalf?

Yes i am told but that is not how the system works.

So i said basically what your telling me is that i am paying into a system, the money is collected and i would have been better off to have went into my commanders office and punched him in the face and been discharged instead of retiring at 20years of military service.
The lady laughed and said well you wouldhave gotten your full entitlement.

Is it me or is there something wrong with this country when you paid for 20 years of your life and never asked for anything and the one time you go in like so many other people you are basically told sorry but thank for your contributions anyhow

#165, sorry, but that is the way the system has worked for many years now:( You either have to be laid off or fired.

gojoyknocks 01.07.10 at 11:28 am

Hey HP, I watched Miss Vickie’s endorsement this morning. Do you think it will help or hurt Coakley?

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mmm I never watch news…but I did just turn on the noon reports and caught Ms Vickie and Ms Martha….yikes I can not abide more HC pushing by the Dems….Martha definitly lost my vote. VOMIT!!! Hey but I get to vote for a guy named Kennedy now ain’t that ironic!

Aw geez, they just found 2 more people shot at the plant in St. Louis. They thought one of them was the guy but apparently not.

Good Morning

So many PUMAs snowed in.Looks like NY will get some more snow tonight, this weather is wicked and extends down to FL where the crops are being destroyed by frost.
At least they don’t have to dig their way out every other day!!!

((HPBoston)))
Thanks for the warm thoughts, right back at you and hubby.
I actually got as far as the airport but had a panic attack and did not get on the plane. Will have to try valium next time
Fear is paralyzing.Someone told me its a test of faith, if you have faith than you can’t have fear.
Who knows?

To Greenfun and Murphy..I do hope your angels are feeling better soon

Stay warm and safe.

^ and the terriorist, woman hating, murdering cult that is the religion of Islam.

airforcehusker

I’m not sure, but I think the claim for those that retire and are not fired is only reduced on the first payment, and normal for the rest?

You can always fight the claim and sometimes it works.

Not sure, but since you already have a bank of claim money, maybe you should get a job with the Baracko administration, or ACORN and make sure you are fired after telling them you are a PUMA!

It’s about time for our so called commander in chief grow some balls and talk out against these fucking terrorist pricks.
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prefer that they shrivel their balls since balls are the problem.

prplvette85 01.07.10 at 12:21 pm

O’Cupmyballs is so busy diddling he can’t get time to read the stories he is given by the thugs in charge. Takes days and days to make up the crap they spew…it now has become a welcome diversion for them while Rome burns they can pass HC shit bills!!!

right danceswithpuma.

So the system is set up for those people who are fired and have not worked honorably for the past 20 years. Got it.

Again isnt there something wrong with this system?

benefits where paid on my behalf so why shouldnt i recieve them.

Again isnt there something wrong with this system?
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Well dohh it is just one of many……have you not noticed the creeping crud for the past 20 years?

They think they have the shooter but haven’t confirmed it yet. One more person found. 3 dead.

#186 does Kirkwood ring a bell?

#188 senator nelson’s nose i already big enough, he needs to stop the lies, does anyone in dc know the word, honesty.

Half the country is snowed in with freezing temperatures.
Unemployment over 10%.
The economy is in the toilet.
We are being terrorized by those who should be in Gitmo.

But hey we will have crap health care in 5 years!!

Bravo Barack good job

sistermoon3-
Kirkwood is a really nice area. I live about 15 minutes from there. It is very cold right now. By tomorrow wind chills are expected to be -25 or more and temperatures around zero or below. But, the roads are in pretty good shape after the snowstorm so he shouldn’t have problems with that. Just make sure he comes prepared for the weather. Kirkwood is in the middle of everything so it’s not an isolated area or anything. Close to everything.
Hopefully they have the shooter, still not confirmed, but the local news said they reopened the highways and the police were shaking hands and acting like it was over. Just waiting to confirm it.

airforcehusker 01.07.10 at 12:36 pm
benefits where paid on my behalf so why shouldnt i recieve them.
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You were not terminated.
Do you receive unused health insurance pay-in when you don’t use it?
Do you receive unused auto insurance pay-in when you don’t use it.
It’s the nature of insurance.

#195, yep, he sure is transforming this nation into a piece of crap isnt he. Way to go you old harvard graduate that is so cool and smooth. You lying piece of dog crap.

CNN is reassuring us that Obama will take responsiblilty for the security mistakes when he appears today (Yes, on tv again) to shock us with the classified details of the Christmas Day bombing attempt.

Someone on SNL should write a script about all the money he’s spent, the debt we are in, the crappy healthcare bill, closing Guitmo, etc etc and while they are running down the list
show pics of Jesse Jackson crying at the inaugaration, Oprah crying, Colin Powell crying, it would be hilarious if it werent so damned tragic. Hey Chris Matthews, how’s that tingle working for ya

sheila7
Fox reported that is was class action suit that was settled in 2006. They gave the impression that that was done with and he was still working. For what it’s worth.

sheila7 01.07.10 at 1:02 pm

HPBoston,
They said something about him having a lawsuit against the company. Not sure what it’s about.

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It is a horror I can not imagine…..someone shooting people while they are at work. The work place can be a very hostile environment and some people are stressed and just sick enough to take any slight or torment why over the moon!
Most men take any slight an affornt to their personal wonderful selves…sickos!! Women are rarely seen with big guns running around shooting people…

airforcehusker

You have some unemployment while you look for another job. You might also get a reduced rate because you have retirement income. Anyone that works a part time job, that income reduces the amount of unemployment amount, if you lost a full time job.
You paid into it, but I think you only can pull out of it for a couple of years, so collect while you look for another job, that’s what it’s for.

This isn’t a moral issue, you have credit, you look for a job, you get it.

if Hillary could have that 3am run again now, it would take on a whole new meaning wouldnt it. She was talking about experience, i think the american public are getting a taste of what exactly she did mean, Ya think?

no drama obama, but he sent out the word we will be shocked.
Hell, i tell you what obama, shock me, and resign.

Typo problems today, sorry….

Didn’t SayItAin’tSo Joe say said

LMAO thinking about Obama and all his broken promises and all the crap we are in and Obama gives himself a grade of
B+ bwahahahaha
Can you imagine how bad things would have to get for him to admit he is a fat FFFFFFFFFFFFFF ?

sistermoon3
No matter which party has amended social security through the years, the republican DO want to take social security away. It’s one of the entitlements that they sneer at.

#221 like i said, it took both parties to make any of this shit happen, but i havent heard any repubs lately talking about wanting to take social security away, i know bush suggested and maybe some others that it could be turned into private investment or some such thing. My thinking on the email or any of this is that the healthcare bill that will get passed, will just turn into another program that just grows and grows and we never fixed anything. At least the social security program worked for quite awhile and still does for most.
They all start out with good intentions, and then as the years go by they tend to ruin what started out to help people.

sistermoom3
My response was to the one sentence in your email post and my perspective is that of an employee of one state pension system that has always offered a defined benefit plan with fixed retirement benefits based on years of service, age and salary. During the conservative years I watched as they stormed the pension systems and demanded that people in the system be allowed to ‘opt out’ of the defined benefit plan and open private investment pensions with their future pension contributions. Sounded good when the market was good, but was a disaster when the market crashed. And that is historically the case with the markets and politicians know it. But fees made by the investment people soared. That is the conservative way, IMO.

Yup Murph, when my test pancake was tiny, my SS sheet -looks like I went on vacation for four years of my life…

bigCatLover,
That is true. I work with Bosnian Immigrants and they collect Social Security.

test pancake.

ha!

that’s what we call Jr.
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Yup, I stole it from ((you)).

#255 that is exactly accurate. Who knew that the economic system
was flawed and that it wouldnt go on forever like that. But, if i had put the money i have put into the government to make all this possible i might have lived my dream. Wow, what a dream that was.
Bernie Maddof is in prison, and still, there must be more to this. HUH

I seem to recall, the whole money emergency came in under bush.
Then, he had to call mccain and obama to come to dc

Seems to me, that was a pretty clear indication that things were being worked out. This is how we will leave, and this is
something that must be done for both of us before we go.

So, here we all are. Groping and thinking. Take a deep breath.
Sigh hard. This my friends is politics. It’s all local. It’s all your money. So, argue we can, but how do we solve the problem?

#148 airforcehusker, well it’s no surprise you’re for the Republican.

I would repeat that I would expect every Hillary Dem to support the Hillary Dem Martha Coakley. She is NOT a “rubber stamp” of Zerobama, but NICE TRY.

And I have thought more about that child rapist/torturer. He was convicted. If you are an AMERICAN you believe in INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. Coakley could not prove that monster was a born predator and repeat offender and threat to society, so she could not throw him in jail before he was convicted. She had to wait till he was convicted. Look up the Constitution and laws and screw the vigilante shit.

Those who use this sensational story to circumvent the facts and appeal to slandering Coakely are guilty of TORTURE PORN. Plain and simple. Torture porn. Using the horrors that baby suffered to override the Constitution and the facts.

I expect that from the tabloid media, but we need to be vigilant against that.

#169 HP

Actually, if you’re voting for “Kennedy” that’s kind of cute (I still say vote for the woman!).

I don’t agree with Kennedy, but he’s a maverick and an orphan, or something like that, so he deserves his shot.

#216 HP

Actually, BCL, I got what you were saying and it seems that MANY here have FORGOTTEN that Coakley was a SLAP in the face for Fraudbama and he sent Pelosi here to campaign against her.

So if you want to please Zero and Pelosi, vote against Martha. They HAVE to make nice with her now. But since the Trojan Ass was installed in the WH in order to ruin the Dem brand, voting against Martha is doubly pleasing to Zero.

But I’m glad you “got” it, BCL, and sorry to out you for your probing question. Yep. Martha was and is a thorn in Zero’s side and only in HP’s imagination does tarring Martha with torture porn in order to create a false horse race equal “full court press” in favor of the “ambitious” woman.

#224 nikkismom

And I repeat: USING a child’s rape as torture porn to tar a woman candidate who was following the law is not “zero tolerance” of child rape. Our country is founded on innocent until proven guilty. You don’t get to jail people by prejudging them, regardless of what they’re charged with. He was convicted. Justice was done. You’re either for the AMERICAN way of innocent until proven guilty or you’re not.

She did not let a child rapist “go.” But I hate to see you ABUSED by the torture porn peddlers into being hoodwinked against a female candidate by this bullshit distraction campaign.

You either get it or you don’t. But…if you hate child rape you should hate even more those who would cynically use those details to arouse you past the American ideals of law, fairness and justice. The rapist was convicted. If you prefer lynching, I can’t support your abortion of American ideals.

242 dances

Now if only I could get paid for my trademark!

And yeah, I know the difference between trademark, copyright, etc…and I must say I’m joking because I’m against all these common phrases companies are “trademarking” these days!

Dances…happy new year and a big thumbs up on your posts upthread. I’m just grumpy today and didn’t pinpoint them earlier….

Zee in #240:

“I don’t know which is worse, shooters or snow.”

I do. You know it too, Zee.

Snow will never hurt us just For Being Female.

(Snow is just part of life on earth. Those of us who don’t like it can move to someplace warm, where the snow never appears to kill off any bugs or germs. Me, I’d rather have snow than have mosquitos and flies and fleas and wasps and… biting all year round.)

“since it’s been declared my trademark…”nice try” defending snow!!!!”

Dances and Zee, if it’s a trademark, then don’t use the copyright sign, use the “TM” symbol. The entity for that is ™ (ampersand+trade+semi-colon).

It looks like the word ‘Olympic[TM]‘ in this excerpt:
“Sportswomen set world records while vaulting political and financial barriers imposed by IOC Pres. Jacques Rogge, who seems hell-bent on raising sexism to an Olympic™ sport.”
{from “Three Poles to Ski in The Men’s Games” article}

only in HP’s imagination does tarring Martha with torture porn
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NAH NAH ZEE…I never tarred her with that crap, never! you are confusing the debate with Nikkismom!! I in fact pick up the part that explained the bail and judges who use more power of discretion than the mere prosecutor or AG!!!

NICE TRY THOUGH!!!

Ok, Fox said he said ‘the buck stops with me and ultimately the failure is mine’.

Zee – our resident smack down PUMA, trade mark and all.

Zee and I haven’t gotten into a tiff in months, what’s up with that Zee???

BigCatLover 01.07.10 at 4:48 pm

Ok, Fox said he said ‘the buck stops with me and ultimately the failure is mine’.
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We need a button with that quote!!!!

Shadowfax 01.07.10 at 4:54 pm

BigCatLover 01.07.10 at 4:48 pm

Ok, Fox said he said ‘the buck stops with me and ultimately the failure is mine’.
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We need a button with that quote!!!!
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He’s just starting his reelection campaign. Watching the humble Obama should be fun, but it propably won’t last long.

zee,
to answer your question it doesnt surprise me one bit that your supporting obama. DOnt like that statement but sorry as long as democrats control everything and there is no check and balances than obamas agenda and his legacy will grow. WE cant have it both ways. Look i know the majority on this board are democrats and dont mean to offend you but coakley is a rubber stamp for obama and a vote for her is simply a vote to push the obama agenda/legacy down the line. Dont like that sorry but that is the current state of affairs in this country. WE can all hope things will change 2010 etc but right now obama owns everyone one of us as the president and there isnt a damn thing we can do to stop his agenda. You can characterize me all you want zee but i assure you i have been through a lot of pain since obama took office. Call me a republican all you want but i am first and foremost and american. So to end say what you want zee but coakley will simply go to washington, bow to the messiah and vote for every single bill he proposes and in the end be a typical rubber stamp.

nelson is dead in the water and will never get reelected in nebraska. He is simply doing what most of these scums will be doing and that is going back to their state and saying well i really didnt mean to vote for it. What do these politicans think that we are all stupid.

Guess who gts to pay for this HCR?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/who-will-pay-for-the-so-called-healthcare-reform-the-rich-or-the-rest-of-us/

well who paid for tarp, the stimulus bill, auto bailouts etc. WE did so why would healthcare be any different

RememberNovember 01.07.10 at 5:02 pm

Really Dances?! I figured it had to be something like that but couldn’t really believe it. Wonder how many stay at home Moms (divorced) know that …..
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Stay at home Moms used to be the norm not that long ago. Don’t imply that those who stayed at home to raise the family are taking advantage of the system if they are divorced. Spousal benefit is half what the earner’s is, so no one is living in the lap of luxury from spousal benefits. And they lose those benefits if they remarry.

RememberNovember

Hey Shadow – there you are nice to see you!
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Heyya (((Remember)), good to see you too.

Big Cat Lover – of course I am not suggesting that stay at home moms are taking advantage of the system – was just wondering if this was common knowledge (it certainly was a surprise to both of my friends). So there may be many out there, struggling, who do not know this.

shadow
dont feel sorry to but in and i understand your problem. The problem we have is that washington doesnt answer to the people and it really doesnt matter what party your for. Did republicans screw things up with their 6 years under bush well yes on many front. But have the dems in congress screwed things up the last 3 years i would say yes. But what you need is both parties in some sort of power otherwise it is simply chaos. Strengthening Obamas hold on washington right now only supports obama, it does nothing for the people nor the parties. THis is all about obama. Do i want a party in power other than the democrats in charge of one of the chambers right now. You bet i do. It is the only thing that will stop obama and his agenda. Would healthcare have gotten where it is if republicans where in charge of one of the chambers. No because there would have been compromises and a more open discussion and not simply i am jamming this down your throats so that obama can come out at the state of the union and tell us how great he is and how fortunate we are to have him as our president. Remember obama knows better than you what is best for your families.

Obobblehead says
“the buck stops with me and ultimately the failure is mine”

How exactly is he going to punish himself? If anybody below him is fired or is forced to resign… then doesn’t he have to resign too?

/begin daydream while gazing at snow/
And if Biden has to resign due to terminal Foot In Mouth illness, does anybody seriously think Speaker Pelosi is ready or willing to be president after him?
/end of beautiful dreaming/

BigCatLover 01.07.10 at 5:16 pm

HP
I might die in the crossfire.

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Nah Zee gets excited when she feels we don’t “get it.”
She feels b/c Martha was a strong Hillary supporter it means we can count on Martha. I would dearly love to but the big elephant in the room Is HC and O’JackassFraud is riding on it! And Martha is now supporting the HC bill, deal breaker for me.

Did anyone else catch it when ofraud said the terrorist had all documents, a visa and a carry on bag that was searched?
I thought he had no bags, and that he had no documents.

THanks HP
I am glad to see and hear your point. Obamas agenda is based on this one thing. The whole bill is a sham and will do little to nothing to improve healthcare but it will affect each and everyone of our lives. This is nothing but legacy building on his part and the majority of americans have been left out of the process. To vote for coakly would be simply sending another vote to push the obama legacy and ensuring he gets everything he thinks he has a right to.
I wish i could vote in massachussettes which i cant so i simply send $$ when i have some for the brown campaign.

a appreciate it november.

I miss my sister more than anyone could imagine. SHe was the closest of all of my brothers and sisters. Her passing was very hard on my family. I will never forget the night we came home after she passed. My wife held me in bed while i cried for about2 hours. God i miss her and am getting tears just writing this. I only hope she is in a better place now!

(((airforcehusker)))

airforcehusker – means I am sending you a big hug (((xxx)))

gotta thanks remember

i am sorry and i know i am different but i dont look at people as simply male or female for the senate i look at them as pro or anti obama and that is how i give my support. I really thought my senator ben nelson at the time was going to do the right thing and stick up for the people. No he was simply bought out by big money. So i understand your point bigcatlover its just that i hold this more personnal and it is about supporting an person who will push the obama legacy or someone who will blunt it and i will support that member whether they are male or female. Would it matter right now if every democrat in the senate was female? I think not as they would all still vote for obamas agenda. Call me off if you will but that is how i see things in the current state of our country.

airforcehusker 01.07.10 at 5:24 pm

THanks HP

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Don’t thank me I’m not voting for the repub either…I’m an indepedent, and I have one to vote for. Fuck the Dems and the Rebubs.

airforcehusker

Your perspective as a male PUMA is different than all of us female PUMAs that are sick and tired of the way men have ‘controlled’ and screwed up our country for women.

We support women, we support Hillary and we are stickin’ to it.

Would it matter right now if every democrat in the senate was female?
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Fuck yes!
It would matter to the majority of the population… girls and women.
Dickwads have been in charge for centuries… I will NEVER for for another male as long as I live.
Women and girls have weathered much greater harms than those rendered by the newest in the long line of shmucks. I won’t support a male, any male, just to counter the latest rendition of the dipshit gender.

Vote Women!

airforcehusker
The site has the same focus and I don’t think you have changed. Coakley is a new democrat as far as national government goes so some (not all) want to give her a chance, that’s all. Do not get defensive. I am not from Mass and have not followed her career, so I am neutral about her. Was only trying to provide some insight. Honest.

appreciate the kind words cat.

I appreciate your opinion and thanks for the dialogue.

airforcehusker 01.07.10 at 5:49 pm

shadow,
i guess i am different in the fact that i am a male but maybe for the past 20 years of my life i was in the air force. You where judged by your work output and how you completed the mission not simply because you where male, female, black white etc. Yes there where some who showed biases to males or females but they quickly where relieved of their positions and demoted or simply showed the door to the discharge of the air force. I guess i was lucky.
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I can understand your view point, in the real world as a man, dealing in an ‘industry’ where men are the majority and the male/female issue is only a sideline of what goes on.

Most of us here are women that have missed out on most of the benifits you men take for granted because there is no glass ceiling for you.
Our perspective has been formed for many of us in the real work world for 4-7 decades of experience. Things are not equal for us, never have been and we are quite aware of how little power women have in the world. We wanted an experienced, intelligent woman, Hillary to help change that view in our country, but Obama, the DNC, Nancy, Reid and all the other thugs stole it from us. Yes, we are pissed. No, we haven’t forgotten.
Yes, we want more women in congress, because then they can start to make a difference for 52% of the population.

Our focus hasn’t changed, but it has defined itself. You are still welcome as our male PUMA, but please try to see it from our point of view.

aurforcehusker in #293

“Would it matter right now if every democrat in the senate was female?”

Hell, Yes. It would mean the nation had undergone a major revolutionary step. And that is exactly why such a thing {A}needs to happen, yet {B}won’t, so long as we have the patriarchal status quo.

That’s the piece you’re not grasping.

With women controlling the Senate, so many other things would be different both before & after such a change at the very foundation, that what you’re calling “obamas agenda” also would be moot or completely altered.

One woman alone can’t rock the foundation, but each woman after the next, building and working together, can do it.

Women have not done so yet because all possible obstacles have been put in the path to stop it.

Think for a moment, about your own obstacles, the ones inside your head, where you’ll support a destructive male, even sending him money. For what reason or purpose? You really think Scott Brown will give you different results? Are Bush and Obama so very different? Look past the pigmentation. And above all, look past the {D} and {R}. That’s me talkin of course– not a Dem, not a Repub., just an American with my own declaration of independence.

In 277 you said,
But what you need is both parties in some sort of power otherwise it is simply chaos.

We have “both” parties now but they’re really just 1 under the surface, and all we get from that duopoly is Chaos.

We need neither of them. We need multiple choices– strong independent parties that represent and work for us.

RememberNovember 01.07.10 at 5:55 pm

Talking of Hillary – I’m sure you all
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Thank you Marc Rubin. I’ll bet he’s the only one who wrote about this irony.

Shadow – yes , there must be more Karma coming but I hope he had to squirm reporting that

(((Rem)))
Yup, but Madam President has been at the top of that pile for 15-17 years (?) now…and he probably had his fingers crossed under the table while he said it.

His day will come. Amazing how many have already felt the burn of the Karma sick, worst of all, Teddy. (Oooops, did I say that?)

One thing the Terminator has is coconuts

He says this after he slams ObamaFraudHealth Care:

SACRAMENTO, California (Reuters) – California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday vowed to pry more dollars from the federal government, which he said took more than it gave, but left details on how to close a $19.9 billion state budget gap until later this week.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6053XG20100106?type=politicsNews

Arnie played kiss ass for awhile, now he is playing hardball?

MO shooter is dead.

An employee at a transformer manufacturing company opened fire on his co-workers Thursday, killing three people before turning the gun on himself, police said.

FINALLY— A case of justice for a woman that live with evil incarnate (and he happened to be her husband and the father of her precious daughter). I wish all women in this situation find justice and am overjoyed that this one woman did. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=9505154

Congress Tinkers with Withholding Tax Tables for 2010

Unlike the middle class wage earners, who are going to see huge amounts taken out of their paychecks, unless they increase their exemptions on their W4 form, it’s an increase that most wouldn’t even notice–$10 or $20 in some cases. Here are some of the “highlights” of the new 2010 withholding tables:

http://biggovernment.com/2010/01/06/dems-tinker-with-withholding-tax-tables-for-2010/#more-54654

#249 Social Psyche

Lands sake. I know.

I own trademarks…and they’re only good per category.

But I still refuse to make excuses for snow!!!!! ;p

Voting for women. I live in Missouri
Once again I find myself in the position of what to do. Robin Carnahan is running for US Senate she is a BO lover and will vote the way he tells her to vote. She will be with Polosi and Reid. She was against Hillary from the start just like Clair McCaskill. Roy Blunt a real ass, far right Republican is also running for the Senate seat. I can not vote for him. Again I find myself in the position of writing in a name and throwing away my vote or vote for Blunt just to stop NObama. Kit Bond a Republican who holds the seat now is retiring. OK Pumas give me your best opinion and advise! Do we vote for a women (Obama lover) or for an ass who is a far Right wing Republican? What is one to do????? Vote for an Obama lover who fought against Hillary or vote for a ass?

#320, Honora,
“What does the AA community have that the women’s movement can’t compete with?’

Solidarity.

And pumacraig, we have your back…best of luck in your run for office. May they be surprised by your strength and your backing.

#325 pumacraig
Love to put women in office whenever possible, but BO puts our country and way of life at risk. Also, he is not a feminist, so…I would vote AGAINST Nobama first. That’s me. Country first.

Uppity Woman I understand and support what you are saying.. Here in California… I will NOT support the current DEM women…. NEVER! those pieces of shit Boxer, Feinstein and Pelosieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee….. Screw them…. They all pissed on Hillary and they knew better…. But, no they chose to follow… And, NOT LEAD!!!!!!!!! Disgusting…. I will support women if they are leaders and not followers… I know how sick and twisted politics can/are… But, that is no Excuse…… I WIll support women who take the lead and are not afraid to stand alone if need be….. My message to women in Politics…. Lead by example and the people will follow…. Example.. Sarah Palin…. She kept to her guns and did not follow…. I will not consider the Party any longer…. I will look and listen to the person….. I unregistured as a Dem right after the May 31st 2008…. I am registured UnCommitted….. That is an option here in California…. So, when elections roll around I will recieve all the shit from everyone….. I am ok with that….. I have had it with the BO Distruction of America….. Oh, I just want to say…. I loved your headers over New Years! And, of course all of the time too!

# 259 well put!!!

I can’t guess…is she overzealous or under involved?

It seems the attacks come from both ends. To one end.

#263 whoa, airforce!

You’re huffing something if you think I’m supporting Fraudbama!!!

Take a deep clear breath. Just because I recognize you’re rightwing doesn’t mean I’m supporting the Zero. You may think he’s “socialist” but most of us TRUE PROGRESSIVES recognize he’s continuing Bushie’s faith-based bullshit and war on terrorism. Because *we’re* reality based. Nice try, tho!

You’re on a PUMA site, not Hot Air or whatever.

Please adjust your slant accordingly.

I will not vote for anyone that supports obamacare.

And stoney has pushed me over the edge.

I was gonna say NICE FUCKING TRY.

Now I say it. You can dredge u
p any lousy excuse you want. ALL you ANTI Hillary ANTI Dem lameasses can stick your excuses where the sun don’t shine,

You can either vote for the WOMAN or admit you’re OBAMA FLUFFERS and wear your knees out “explaining.” Good luck with that.

And I will repeat….Persephone bowed out. Why is that? Too hard to defend the homophobic republican male candidate over the Hillary Dem? Hm?

Some of you won’t like this because it is partisan but here’s a catchy sing along from Ray Stevens – 1.5 million hits already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_-L4fyLUothe

chorus:
Hey Congress

– you vote Obamacare
we’re gonna vote you outta there
we the people have awakened to your tricks

you vote to let this pass
you gonna be out on your ass
and we the people have awakened ……

((((Zee))))

Sounds like some PUMAs are planning to use male Republican’s like toilet plungers, to try and push O’turd out…

2010 will not push the Turd back to DC, but it could give power back to Bush’s buddies.

Throw them all out, put as many women in as you can.

Democrat Baltimore MD mayor Sheila Dixon stepping down for perjury re accepting financial bribes from an ex who received lucrative contracts ( but she may be able to keep her pension) -
why do so many women emulate the men when they get into positions of power?

Murphy – Email sent to you and the Action Center. Need some help with a prowl.

sheila7 -Zee “high five back at ya!”-BigCatLover-normapapuma-BillieJo-stoney42-
Thank you all for your advise etc. The problem is I agree with all of you. I have thought about this every way possible. Sheila7 I am like you, don’t know what I will do. Thank you for your virtual vote.(: It counts in my book!!

Zee
Thank you, the truth is I am a little scared but that won’t stop me. As a puma we (I) vowed to take back the Dem. party and defeat the Obama Dem. party. They took my vote and said it did not count and screwed Hillary big time as well as our Country. I have to run, no choice it is the only way I know how to keep my promise and take back my vote. I believe in
“We the People”!! I have to try!! I am putting the finishing touches on my campaign website Saturday. Because of the law I had to file with the FEC. The surprise may be ruined, my opponent can find out now. Damn!! I will wait and see maybe he won’t find out until Feb. 23. Well getting tired thanks for your advise etc. Muscular Dystrophy and freezing cold don’t mix not feeling to well. Good night pumas.

Love Ray’s Utube

Zee 01.07.10 at 9:31 pm

#281 HP

NICE TRY, but you were dissing the female pro-choice PRO_HILLARY candidate WAAYYYYYYY before that.

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Ya Zee I can not emulate the obots and put any candidate on some kind of pedestal cause they have brains and supported Hillary. For christ sake Coakley is no perfect storm we can send off and wipe the shit heads out of DC, She is as imperfect as the rest of the human race. We are all Hillary suportes too..we are not the angels or saviours of America either!! Jeezus! We are all AGAINST obama period, I will not give Obama the steam off my shit!! I will not add to his head count, the balance of power sucked when it was Repubs and it sucks now…..
We need to act for balance, be smart play hardball.

Dances,
Blunt (conservative male) is not an option for me. He will not get my vote. I’m just having a hard time giving Carnahan my vote. I really don’t like her. Ultimately I probably will but it will be another case of me holding my nose to vote and that pisses me off.
Plus, I really don’t want Carnahan in that seat. It is held by a Republican right now so that will be one more BO groupie there. She isn’t just a democrat, she is a BIG supporter of BO and she really disgusted me in the primaries. She was not kind to Hillary. She made me physically ill listening to the shit she spewed.
I understand your logic and agree with it, but when faced with votes like this one it makes it a lot harder for me.

DancesWithPumas #356
I see your point build the female masses and then go from there. All I know is I am getting tired of holding my nose and voting. I am turning blue and purple can’t breath!! The only thing that troubles me is 2012!! McCaskil, Carnahan, Clay they will all do everything to get BO re-elected. Even voter Fraud!! They are the ones that wiped out my vote and they will do it again. It is hard to hold my nose and vote for someone that would do that again!! DancesWithPumas this is a hard one but I see your point in building the masses(women)first.

That’s why it is a heart breaker Dances …

http://www.examiner.com/x-19823-PostPartisan-Examiner~y2010m1d4-More-Americans-than-ever-shouting-PUMA-number-of-Democrats-at-record-low?cid=examiner-email#

What does Obama and Robin Carnahan have in common?

They were both born on August 4, 1961.

It is impossible to gauge how individual women will govern in a legislature that is comprised of a feminine majority . Until we are allowed to analyze them empiracally ,in that specific context, we can’t possibly know the end result .

In other words … Put all women in then weed out the ones we don’t like .
With Women as the majority of the legislature , it is likely that the entire paradigm of our government’s interests will change . Will the same bills that are being debated today even come up for a vote or would they be focusing more on education , penalties for crimes against women and children , women’s rights , women’s health , etc. etc. ?
Who knows? No one – but I’d like to find out .

Brrrrr – it’s 3 deg. here today, -12 with the wind chill!

AccuWeather: Worldwide Cold Not Seen Since 70s Ice Age Scare

Famed AccuWeather.com Meteorologist Joe Bastardi shows why this January is very similar to 1977. In addition he questions how anyone could blame this kind of cold on global warming.

http://www.stopglobalcoolingnow.com/?p=499

NikkisMom-
Does this weather stink or what? I think my kid is the only one with school today!

Hi Sheila! It’s freeeeeeeezzzzing here! My dog loves it – but I don’t think we’ll be playing in the snow today! We’re getting flurries right now, btw.

Marilyn Geewax NPR senior business editor was interviewed on Washington Journal this morning and discusses this somewhat startling figure: the US lost 85,000 jobs in December ‘09. Economists had thought that jobs were picking back up, but not in December.
http://www.c-span.org/Series/Washington-Journal.aspx

Notyoursweetie 01.08.10 at 8:14 am

No “bestest speech on terra” headlines today
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/tabloids-obama-and-the-security-buck/
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The cleverest headline is at the New York Post. LOL

Persephone
Are you holding your breath until you turn blue? If not come on back. This year is going to be a big election year and we need all viewpoints.

Persephone…I miss you.

By the way, Zee is a sweetheart in person. I didn’t have to punch her in the face even once.

TexasTigress
It is impossible to gauge how individual women will govern in a legislature that is comprised of a feminine majority . Until we are allowed to analyze them empiracally ,in that specific context, we can’t possibly know the end result .

In other words … Put all women in then weed out the ones we don’t like .
With Women as the majority of the legislature , it is likely that the entire paradigm of our government’s interests will change . Will the same bills that are being debated today even come up for a vote or would they be focusing more on education , penalties for crimes against women and children , women’s rights , women’s health , etc. etc. ?
Who knows? No one – but I’d like to find out .

NikkisMom 01.08.10 at 10:48 am

Ouch – Liberals coming out in force against Obama

Obama’s Health Care Lies & Reversals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8wmN3wvhNM
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I enjoyed this man’s video where he calmly shows the lies from Obama’s campaign, but at the end he says ‘this is not the man I voted for’, but the point is, this is the man he voted for – he has always been a liar and we tried to point this out to people and they would not listen.

DWP
I don’t understand the pro all repub viewpoint after 8 years of Bush, but it’s interesting to hear what they have to say. I usually don’t agree, and as long as commenters don’t stamp their feet and yell, I’m willing to listen. I also want our focus to be pro-woman and am a little puzzled by the confusion that that concept put in practice causes some Pumas. But, I’m willing to keep trying.

DWP
True, but I hate to surf the web.

sheila7 01.08.10 at 11:06 am [edit]

DancesWithPumas,
I respectfully disagree that all viewpoints are no viewpoint. I have not found that to be the case. As far as I’m concerned if their is only one viewpoint, I might as well be an obot. Or maybe a pumabot? I think it’s ridiculous to expect everyone to have the same viewpoint.
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I don’t expect everyone to have the same point of view. I do expect everyone to be in the same volume if not on the same page though.

“As far as losing original pumas because of right leaning pumas-I don’t understand that. Why would one walk away from their own viewpoints and just turn things over to others. Why not stick it out, call people out when needed and get on with things.”

I have the same question.
Maybe people got tired of countering the same basic arguements which impeded progress. Maybe they got tired of explaining the importance of voting for women. Maybe they got tired of reading comments cheerleading palin as a savior of Everywoman. Maybe they drifted to other blogs that retain, more or less, the feel of the original spirit and focus of Puma.

I do know that there are some that felt they were moderate to conservative earlier on but now feel they are radical leftists in comparison to the latest / current manifestation of this blog.
Maybe they’ll stop by and let us know in their own words.

BigCatLover 01.08.10 at 11:14 am
DWP
I don’t understand the pro all repub viewpoint after 8 years of Bush, but it’s interesting to hear what they have to say.
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We differ on that point. I don’t find anything republicans say at all interesting.

‘morning, Murphy.
Hope Skipper is recovered (recovering).

Brava!!

Skipper is famous!
I wonder if she realizes how many thousands of people read this blog and know her name?

I have every faith that Skipper will recover sooner than later.
She’s bright, spontaneous, witty, athletic, determined, gracious, sensitive, and strong! With those resources at hand recovery is a given!
Get well soon Skipper!

all of us here today should give ourselves a hundred pats on the back!
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one pat, two pat, three pat, four…
five pat, six pat, only 94 more…

Murphy et. al,
I completely understand what you’re saying. But, sometimes I feel like I shouldn’t say what I’m thinking because maybe that point of view would not be welcomed on the blog. Not a view that I try to push on others, just my own opinion. I don’t think that gets a group very far. I think viewpoints should be heard. I also think it’s fine for Murphy or really anyone to say “Well, that’s not what we’re about here.” But, I do believe we should hear others out. (within reason).
For example, a question I have that I truly do need to answer for myself is…..
On the one hand I want to vote for any women that are available to vote for. For a variety of reasons. One to try to make the representation equal but also I believe that for the most part women do care more about others rights and will do a better job. I’m not saying there are no men who do so, just generally speaking.
However, this is what I come back to. I completely understand why African-Americans wanted to vote for BO as the first African-American president. But…how could they do this and not see him for what he is? So, what if there was a woman running who was equally as repugnant to me. How would I be any different? And, even though African-Americans wanted to even it up look where that got us.
Also, if you vote for any woman at all and she does a terrible job, (like BO does) that hurts the cause in the long run. No?

speaking of women, i have a facebook account, carolfowery, and i receieved a message this morning that only female friends were supposed to get. our status today is to be the color of underwear we are wearing, LOLOLOL i have roses on white background, i have seen, black, beige, tan, pink, white, LOLOLOLOLOL in leui of breast cancer supporters, it’s been fun:) i feel the power in my pants literally.

Sheila&
My viewpoint is that you weigh each ocntest and make your decision based on the factors in that race. If a woman is repugnant to you and the male candidate is reasonable to you, don’t beat yourself up if you vote for the male. But give the female a little heavier weight if you can, keeping the goals you’re trying to achieve in mind.

418#Not really. They are elected officials who are supposed to represent the best interests of all Americans.

the words supposed to is void at this point. you could have missed the entire campaighn of 2008 and been on an island the last 2 weeks alone throws all ’supposed to’s out

Also, if you vote for any woman at all and she does a terrible job, (like BO does) that hurts the cause in the long run. No?
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Only because when you have one or only a few of a class/gender/race, people tend to generalize/stereotype about the entire class / gender/ race based on that one or few examples. Whereas when you have greater participation / representation people are less likely to see one example as representative of an entire group.

clumsily stated I know… but you get the idea, I’m sure.

BCL,
LOL. That’s okay.

That is pretty much the view I have. For example, I’m not a great fan of Palin, but I could vote for her. She is not repugnant to me. Only a few I can think of. For example- McCaskill and Pelosi.

if nancy pelosi ran for president, would you vote for her?

So, let me get this straight Murphy. You think we should vote FOR women?

sheila 431

LoL!

#432, not yet be he’s on his way, he left atlanta around 5 or 6 this morning, but he’s driving a uhaul with his truck on a trailor
attached. I just saw it’s -3 in St. Louis, ouch!

#434 Sarah Palin

Would that make it a female:male ratio of 1:500,000?
Stick with the favorable odds.

BCL
Bingo!

#434 Sarah Palin

I’d want to check out the Green and Independent candidates before deciding.

the numbers arent as big because they are in the minority.
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you can still calculate the percentages.

Makes me think of an alderwoman here. Now I can’t remember if she resigned or not. She peed in a bucket in the middle of city hall during a meeting. It was quite the “scandal”. LOL.

pumacraig,
Do you know if she resigned. It seems like she did. Then maybe ran for state rep? Do you remember this?

BCL,
I’m not sure anymore. I think there was some kind of vote or something and whatever it was she didn’t want to leave the room to go to the bathroom because she said they would do something without her. I can’t remember the details. She had friends come in with a bucket and they held up a sheet or cover and she peed. LOL.
Pumacraig probably remembers. I think this was her district that it happened in. I’ll have to see if she recalls the details. It was a while ago.

So, by those guidelines, we should also support Nikki Haley – (republican) running for governor of South Carolina. Isn’t she running against an all-male cast?

“peed in a bucket in the middle of city hall during a meeting” LOL

Off to the dump. I’ll check in later. Hopefully HP has good news.

Bye gojoyknocks!

I also hope HpBoston has good news. Anyone heard?

Where is goofsmom?

Agreed with Sheila7 – if we all agreed and this was an echo chamber, it would look like – well, obotland.

NikkisMom 01.08.10 at 1:45 pm
Agreed with Sheila7 – if we all agreed and this was an echo chamber, it would look like – well, obotland.
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My preference is not for every one to agree… but I’d like to hear from those who are in the same chapter of the same book. Half the time some of the commenters here aren’t evenin the same library. Thank goodness Zee and TT, et al, are still around. There’s more than enough diversity on the left to have lively discussion. Introducing rightists into those discussions holds us back due to the retreaded arguments.

Sorry but it seems the right wingers are always using that analogy. Personally, I don’t expect everyone to agree on everything, but I’m not open to anything right leaners have to say… that is to say those that enabled the traditionally sexist, traditionally homophobic, traditionally racist, traditionally corporatist, traditionally war mongerers, traditionally fundamentalist christian republican party.

Anyway, this is Murphy’s blog and her latest comments render this conversation moot.

BCL,
http://www.pubdef.org/2008/11/
scroll to the bottom of the page.

sheila7
OMG, I can’t believe they filmed that. And the poor President must have adjusted his glasses a dozen times.

Palin Still Outside GOP Establishment, Poll Shows

(AP)Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin remains on the outskirts of the Republican establishment, a new poll of GOP insiders shows – though her decisions over where to appear this year suggest she may be interested in changing that.

In spite of the continued interest in Palin’s political future, the 2008 GOP vice presidential candidate finished fifth in a National Journal poll that asked 109 party leaders, political professionals and pundits who is most likely to win the 2012 GOP presidential nomination. Palin tied with Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels for fifth place, while former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney came in first.

While Palin is attending a tea party convention next year, she is also planning to speak at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans, along with mainstream Republican favorites like Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee.

As Palin moves to expand her support among the party establishment, GOP leaders would be wise to tread lightly around her in spite of their skepticism, political blogger Nate Silver writes.

“There’s going to come a time, probably in July 2011 or so, where the knives are really drawn on Palin and Republican pundits, strategists and candidates start saying in public some of the things they’ve been thinking in private,” Silver says. “And that in all likelihood will play very well for her.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/08/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6072086.shtml

Gotta go pumas.
Hope things are ok with Mr. HP.

if everyone here agrees with you here, then I suppose you are
correct, im in a differenct library, im in a different page, hell i shouldnt of even opened the book. Excuse me, I didnt know there were seperate libraries. Which one should I go to.