Skipper casts her first vote for a woman in the Massachusetts Senate primary this morning.
Every few weeks, whether by design because it gets damn difficult to write thoughtful commentary once a day or more, or by accident because it’s, well it’s damn difficult to write thoughtful commentary once a day or more and sometimes we repeat ourselves, someone in the Puma/Disenfranchised Dems/Under-the-Bus-Liberals camp writes a blog post about the death of Puma, or the need for a NEW movement, brand (a term I loathe in this context, by the way), conference, committee, organization or SOMETHING to make everything all better and finally be THE “change” we’ve all been waiting for.
It’s enough to make a person just want to stay in bed and give up on the whole idea of being part of or trying to direct in even a small way an ACTUAL grassroots (messy, disorganized,un-or-hopelessly-under-funded, happening all at once with very little or no structure and absolutely no PREPLANNED structure for goodness sakes (the grass doesn’t grow according to an ORG CHART or by following the dictates of a TO DO list generated by a brainstorming session; the grass just GROWS.) ) movement to counteract the venality, the corporate ownership, the divisive lies, and the relentless misogyny of American national politics.
To borrow a metaphor from Twisty, I wasted WAAAY too much time yesterday on the event horizon of a Misanthropy Black Hole (and yes i DO mean that in a man-hating way) HERE.
The mug-shots remind me of August Sanders’ masterpiece: People of the 20th Century, but better because they are a deconstructed 20-FIRST Century masterpiece: The images keep updating and making themselves new in a not-quite unique way, like waves mindlessly beating themselves upon the shore, the same but different the same but different the same but different over and over and over again, except once in a while holy ficking smokes, run for your life.
Certain French feminists of the 20th century claimed that women write in White Ink or Mother’s Milk or Invisible Ink or what have you; that our authorial existence, what we say and do, is some sort of Zen Not Exactly Being In a Unique and Memorializable Way. Our words, thoughts, writings, are like waves beating mindlessly on the sand, the same but different the same but different, consensual, colloquial, concordant, and, above all, contributing to nameless sisterhood and faceless justice.
Please. The lord knows I love France, but what a bunch of hogwash. But, I digress.
And the torpor bogs down even deeper. Posts about process lead to very intelligent, on-point, often thoughtful, sometimes even very witty debates about VERY fine points.
I tune out.
But then, lo Tuesday morning breaks sunny and cold and it’s Election Day in Massachusetts. My third grader and I pull into Town Hall to vote for the first woman Senator from Massachusetts. Skipper is wearing a pink sweatshirt by chance. The ballot is pink. She marks a big “X” next to Martha Coakley’s name and I snap her picture.
I think as we drive back home that Martha Coakley will win and she’ll be the first woman senator from Massachusetts, and Skipper will be able to vote for her first re-election, and she will REMEMBER this morning. She will remember that it MATTERED. Something about this morning will stick in her head that says: Vote for a woman not because SHE is a woman but because YOU are, to paraphrase Robin Morgan.
And then, to make things even better Violet Socks has a clip from Shannon Drury, the president of Montana NOW,
“I am OVER compromise. I am DONE with bipartisanship. I will NO LONGER be told I have to take my health care medicine like a good little girl.”
and, how did I miss this?!? from Cathy and the Pumas:
I dutifully cast my vote for Hillary in the DFL caucuses, one of very few people to do so in my madly, wildly liberal south Minneapolis neighborhood. Barack Obama put a twinkle in even the most hardened pinko’s eye, it seemed. Come June, when Obama officially sewed up the nomination, I felt a little bad for my pantsuited sister, but I wasn’t terribly disappointed. I liked this “hope” and “change” stuff, too. I really liked it! Hell, yeah! It felt great to be a LIBERAL in my country again!
I found it a little weird that the National NOW PAC decided to give Obama-Biden their official endorsement, but I accepted the argument that they had to come out swinging against the lipsticky lady from Alaska who, while admirably female, remained staunchly pro-life.
But a lot of women didn’t like that. They didn’t like the NOW endorsement, for they didn’t like the way Obama treated Clinton in the endorsement race. They were outraged by her treatment in the press. Worst of all, they didn’t like being told that they had to silence their concerns for the good of the Democratic party. How did they respond?
Party Unity, My Ass!
Oh, how the PUMAs were mocked. They were vilified as a bunch of old gals who didn’t understand this too-cool third wave that was washing them to sea. They roared back, growling that we young cubs didn’t know half the shit they went through back in the day–because of them, I was recognized by my own name and not Mrs. Matthew, among other things. The PUMAs were fed up with the “post-feminist” generation, these ladies, women, and girls who acted like being able NOT to choose a woman candidate was a good thing.
Then we all got Stupaked.
And riverdaughter lays it out real good this morning as well.
The torpor lifts.
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DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 10:50 am
The re-awakened voice of Puma!!
Excellent.
and, WAY TO GO, SKIPPER!!!
theamericanway 12.08.09 at 11:12 am
Murphy!!! I am a ‘PPP’, a pretty picky person. Yet I’m remain at PUMAPAC because I see your leadership as focused, yet tolerant. Valuable. Crucial. I’m grateful that you’ve been able to renew yourself once again for PumaLand. You are brilliant. I see hope, our kind of hope, but I need the nourishment found here. Maybe you can learn to be easier on yourself?
scarlet 12.08.09 at 11:22 am
LEGISLATION
GLOBAL TAX HR 4191
Pelosi Endorses ‘Global’ Tax on Stocks, Bonds, and other Financial Transactions
At her weekly press briefing on Thursday, Pelosi said the financial transactions tax (HR4191) currently before Congress would have to be made “global” to keep U.S. investors from taking their business overseas and out of taxable reach.
Pelosi said she thought the idea might have currency among a public eager to see Wall Street firms “pitching in” to help the government grow the economy.
“I think there would be a market for it among the American people to say that we are all participating in the economic prosperity of our country, and we are all pitching in to continue that prosperity,” said Pelosi.
The American version, H.R. 4191, introduced by Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), would levy a separate tax on all stock trades, futures contracts, swaps, credit default swaps, and stock options in an effort to tap the trillions of dollars of such transactions.
The transaction tax proposal was met with opposition from some House Democrats, who signed a “Dear Colleague” letter outlining their opposition to the tax and urging other members of Congress to join them.
“A $150 billion tax on financial transactions will fall on millions of hardworking Americans who are saving for their future through their 401k plans, mutual funds, pensions and other savings vehicles,” wrote Reps. Michael McMahon (D-N.Y.), Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.), and Debbie Halvorson (D-Ill.) in the letter, which is still being circulated on Capitol Hill, a copy of which was obtained by CNSNews.com.
“Proponents of a transaction tax argue that a small 0.25 percent tax on stocks would be paid for by the highly paid financial traders and would not affect most Americans,” reads the letter. “This is simply not true. A tax on stock transactions would affect every single person who owns and invests in stocks from small business owners to senior citizens.”
“Americans saving for their retirement, to pay for college or ‘a rainy day fund’ to meet future emergencies will be subjected to a tax that will reduce the value of their savings at a time when they are just starting to recover the losses they incurred at the height of the financial crisis,” the letter states.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/58099
scarlet 12.08.09 at 11:26 am
DECEMBER 7, 2009
Business Fumes Over Carbon Dioxide Rule
Officials gather in Copenhagen this week for an international climate summit, but business leaders are focusing even more on Washington, where the Obama administration is expected as early as Monday to formally declare carbon dioxide a dangerous pollutant.
An “endangerment” finding by the Environmental Protection Agency could pave the way for the government to require businesses that emit carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases to make costly changes in machinery to reduce emissions — even if Congress doesn’t pass pending climate-change legislation. EPA action to regulate emissions could affect the U.S. economy more directly, and more quickly, than any global deal inked in the Danish capital, where no binding agreement is expected.
Electricity generation, transportation and industry represent the three largest sources of U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126013960013179181.html?mod=rss_Today%27s_Most_Popular
murphy 12.08.09 at 11:28 am
for the record, I support RD’s fury at the situation of a bunch of catholic bishops, all men, dictating American domestic policy.
but her insults of regular people are rude, divisive, and really really ill-conceived.
how can people say they want a POPULIST movement who then turn around and keep INSULTING the PEOPLE???
head-spinning.
murphy 12.08.09 at 11:36 am
thanks PPP!
Dragonfly 12.08.09 at 11:53 am
(((MURPHY)))
Tell Skipper I said Way to Go! What a great morning you had yesterday. I will have to take my daughter, just a bit younger than your Skipper, next time I vote. Hopefully a woman will be on the ballot! Kind of unusual down in this neck of the woods.
murphy 12.08.09 at 11:58 am
YOU should run dragonfly. then your daughter will REALLY have a reason to remember voting.
Casper Cat 12.08.09 at 11:59 am
((((((((MURPHY)))))))) Just one word from me…… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv3ItAYP5vw&feature=related You are very special and promise you WILL NEVER CHANGE!!!!
murphy 12.08.09 at 12:05 pm
casper,
have you seen THIS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db3Fifi8JiY&feature=player_embedded
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 12:11 pm
Head exploding reading madB, the fascist censor of women’s comments, commenting on equality at http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/11/21/dreaming-of-diocletian/
Shadowfax 12.08.09 at 12:22 pm
What do I love most about PUMAs and our big paws?
That they don’t slide quietly under the bus.
That they don’t vote present to the Fraud’s bullshit.
That they don’t let things ride and hope the next three years away.
That they carry their pitchforks to other blogs, emails, Facebook, tea parties and the voting booths and keep telling the koolaid drinkers what fools they are, over and over and over and over and over.
And if politics isn’t enough of a job to try to set straight, they tackle the shortcomings of women’s rights, sexism and abuse. On slow news days, they even debate religion.
Hillary might be doing the best job she can as SOS, that’s the way our girl is…but we don’t have to be good girls and shut up, nope, we are loud, honest, pissed and we were RIGHT!!!!!
Feminism is alive and well in PUMAland.
Great post ((((Murphy))).
Shadowfax 12.08.09 at 12:26 pm
Way to go Skipper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
murphy 12.08.09 at 12:39 pm
shadowfax # 12,
classic!
Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 12:44 pm
how can people say they want a POPULIST movement who then turn around and keep INSULTING the PEOPLE???
Puma Wakefulness#comments
URL: http://pumapac.org/2009/12/08/cool/#comments
Murphy, I totally agree with you on this point. It’s so irritating and counterproductive.
murphy 12.08.09 at 12:46 pm
hey there Puma SF, enjoying some of the comments over there though.
found this in the way back machine:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/philipsherwell/4343971/Predatory_Pumas_eye_up_Barack_Obama/
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 1:01 pm
Pffft.
Altho I pretty much agree with Gibbs when it comes to the Galluip Polls… remember the corrupt numbers they were posting during the primaries and general election season? Rasmussen was the only consistent poll during that time.
“President Obama’s job approval rating has fallen to 47 percent in the latest Gallup poll, the lowest ever recorded for any president at this point in his term.
Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford and even Richard Nixon all had higher approval ratings 10-and-a-half months into their presidencies. Obama’s immediate predecessor, President George W. Bush, had an approval rating of 86 percent, or 39 points higher than Obama at this stage.
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said he doesn’t “put a lot of stock” in the survey by Gallup, which has conducted presidential approval polls since 1938, longer than any other organization.
“If I was a heart patient and Gallup was my EKG, I’d visit my doctor,” Gibbs said in response to questions from Fox. “I’m sure a six-year-old with a Crayon could do something not unlike that. I don’t put a lot of stake in, never have, in the EKG that is daily Gallup trend. I don’t pay a lot of attention to the meaninglessness of it.”"
murphy 12.08.09 at 1:10 pm
i think you STILL cant trust the polls because the pollsters are STILL pumping the numbers up for him dances. I think obama is waay more unpopular than the numbers show, that it’s a Wonderland of Cupcakes we’re living in even though we can’t see them.
that’s my vision anyway.
murphy 12.08.09 at 1:11 pm
very funny Uncle Jay posted at Uppity’s
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/uncle-jay-explains-december-7-2009/
kat in your hat 12.08.09 at 1:14 pm
That photo and “Skipper casts her first vote for a woman…” is so exciting! Got a lil teary.
I went to that same sort of Chicago site and looked at those mug shots about a month + ago. I looked at a series of mug shots on a NY website too that day, and it’s just man after man after man after man, and really, I got into an angry, disgusted and overwhelmed state. It’s good to look “it” in the face though every so often, for me. That pic of the man who set his boys on fire is wild-scary looking.
(“Then we all got Stupaked.”–Yeah, “WE”–all of us got stupunked, because of *those* who voted wrong. Thanks!)
PUMA is not dead. People need to have fortitude and resilience and not be so damn naive. Of COURSE the other side will try to disqualify and ruin any sort of movement via gossip and lies (at the very least), etc. It’s happened all through history, especially for women. The embarrassing part is that actual other pumas got WEAK and started to care, deeply care, about what unfriendly people thought and they started siding with their own enemies, believing their own enemies…because they started paying ATTN to their enemies because their enemies successfully DISTRACTED them from their main goals. Which, of course, was the whole point. But they fell for it.
IF you are GOING to be a woman into politics–you WILL have enemies. If you are going to get into politics, PERIOD, you WILL have enemies. These people who want to start new movements or parties, I respect their knowledge and their passion, but they are NOT strong enough, because they got manipulated by their opponents, way way too easily the first time around. They couldn’t shift their ways or adjust to varying views either and so they pushed them away…and so it got quieter for them and then the enemies suddenly seemed louder. And then they quit. But then they “come back” only to re-imagine the same exact thing (a puma movement-duh/ a democratic party-duh) but under a new guise, all the while being too damn naive to understand the same fucking thing will happen AGAIN and they do NOT have the steadfast spirit to fight through attacks that will definitely come, the lies and slander and all of it. Getting ATTACKED is a sure thing. Some just didn’t truly understand that. Some still don’t understand how hardcore they got played, how they even started internalizing and messaging the talking points of their own actual enemies. Becoming their own enemies…lifting the burden of their opponents because they took on the self-destruction and did the dirty work for them. They got played.
Anyway, I am looking forward to the MA results. I *really* want it to work out right.
Dragonfly 12.08.09 at 1:19 pm
murphy 8
Thank you.
Maybe I will one day. I love Tallahassee and Washington DC.
Swannie 12.08.09 at 1:24 pm
Murphy , you remain the consistent , focused and pragmatic voice of PUMA . You are the stable center , while other parts fly out in the whirling political centrifuge, and lose ground , direction, and cohesiveness when they separate out into smaller splinter entities..
sistermoon3 12.08.09 at 1:29 pm
“We’ve seen the consequences of this failure of responsibility. The American people have paid a heavy price,” Obama said, calling the nation’s unemployment a “human tragedy.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~that is only one quote for Obama’s speech today, LOLOLOLOLOL he’s still pointing that big finger of his.
Mr. President, you are the human tragedy. When you signed the damned stimulus bill you said it would keep unemployment to at the least 8.3%, ummmmm it wasnt our idea, it was yours and your administrations.
Dragonfly 12.08.09 at 1:30 pm
DWP 11
I followed your link – I don’t usually read madb because of that post she did some time ago that was censoring. what does she know about equality when for her you have to have a certain opinion to be equal?
Dragonfly 12.08.09 at 1:33 pm
Swannie 22
I feel the same way!
Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 1:37 pm
Murphy: I got lost in the way back machine. There is no reason we still can’t make a difference. We just have to stop labeling each other and work together. I went to a Tea Party so fucking what? Does that mean I’ve lost my “democratic” heart? Does it mean I’ve lost my way? Hell, no. Yes, I’ve done things I’ve never done before like watch Fox News but does that mean I agree with everything they say? Hell no!
Zee 12.08.09 at 1:37 pm
Love the story about Skipper!!! Yay!
And PUMA is far from dead: check it out. “Under the bus” is going mainstream.
http://www.notunderthebus.com/
The Stop Stupak movement is growing and women are restless.
I didn’t have time to explore notunderthebus fully today, but it looks promising.
murphy 12.08.09 at 1:38 pm
Zoinks! did you know that Hillary is 44 was not in our blogroll until just this very minute??
who runs this damn place!?
http://www.hillaryis44.org/
RememberNovember 12.08.09 at 1:40 pm
‘Morning ((Pumas)). Great post ((Murphy)) – way to go ((Skipper))
On a fly by with message from Prplvette who is working hard at her coursework with a laptop ‘on it’s last leg’ – it crashes when she logs in to the blog (hopefully that is a coincidence as I think several of us had problems trying to post yesterday). Anyway she wants everyone to know she is thinking of you and I am sure she will be back soon. Roxie’s poor leg is healing slowly.
Sending hugs to ((((Prplvette and Roxie)))
It feels like Denver here – bright sun and snow!! Well BO got a minus 11 bounce two days in a row from minus 14 (probably due to his Afghanistan announcement) from Rasmussen.
How is the turnout in MA? – I hope it is huge and Martha has a landslide. Have a great day Pumas
murphy 12.08.09 at 1:41 pm
“Obama is phone calling those who call him a boob. It might be a stealth stimulus plan to get millions of dollars to phone companies if Obama calls everyone who calls him a boob. For now, Obama is mostly phone calling “stop calling me a boob” calls to congressmen who have called him a boob.”
bwak!
(. . . though I happen to LIKE boobs. but I digress)
http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/12/08/angry-obama-nobel-boob-prize/
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 1:42 pm
Kat In Your Hat
#20
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Amen, amen, Sister!!
RememberNovember 12.08.09 at 1:42 pm
Puma-SF
ditto ditto
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 1:46 pm
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
what a thin skinned fragile ego freakzoid Oboob is.
murphy 12.08.09 at 1:46 pm
also via Hill44:
“Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, look what the pollsters just brought in.
A pair of new surveys revealing that President Obama is still declining and has hit a new low in job approval among Americans just 56 weeks after they elected him with a decided margin.
And — wait for it — Republican Sarah Palin is successfully selling a whole lot more than books out there on the road. Even among those not lining up in 10-degree weather to catch a glimpse of pretty much the only political celebrity the GOP has these days.
First, el jefe. Facing double-digit unemployment, rising spending, deficits and Afghan war casualties plus a keystone but stalled healthcare reform effort that caused a rare Sunday presidential visit to Capitol Hill, Obama recently fell below 50% job approval for the first time.
Then, last week’s deft dance of rhetoric over sending reinforcements to Afghanistan but, on the other foot, bringing them home quickly maybe gave him a brief boost. That, however, collapsed with equal rapidity.
Obama’s new Gallup Poll job approval number is 47%. Last month it was 53%.
Regular Ticket readers will recall how in this space in late November we pointed out that Obama’s closely watched job approval slide was coinciding with Palin’s little-noticed rise in favorability. And it appeared they might cross somewhere in the 40s.
Well, ex-Sen. Obama, meet ex-Gov. Palin.
The new CNN/Opinion Research Poll shows Palin now at 46% favorable, just one point below her fellow basketball fan.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/sarah-palin-barack-obama-poll-gap-narrows.html
sistermoon3 12.08.09 at 1:50 pm
If the cold was supposed to act as crowd control for Sarah Palin’s noon visit today, it wasn’t working Monday night.
By 9 p.m., with temperatures already well below zero, most of the small parking lot directly in front of Borders was filled with Palin fans ready to spend the night in their vehicles or — if it comes to it — on the sidewalk.
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Now, I dont know if she would or would not run or make a good presdient, but im gonna tell you something, i call this historical in every sense of the word, people are unhappy, they want help, they are sick of the bullshit, it doesnt really matter what her plans are, they know theirs.
That is from Montana today and the Coloroda visit latter on today and we all know Colorado has snow storms coming.
Zee 12.08.09 at 1:51 pm
From the Wonderland of Cupcakes:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/sarah-palin-barack-obama-poll-gap-narrows.html
Sarah Palin up, Zero down in the polls. Hahahaha! They’re essentially tied in popularity…but on different trajectories.
Zee 12.08.09 at 1:53 pm
#34 murphy oops! I was just posting the same thing!
Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 1:54 pm
Zoinks is right and thanks for posting the link. I’ve been waiting for a new post since last week and now it’s finally here. It’s like Christmas coming early.
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 1:56 pm
kat in your hat 12.08.09 at 1:14 pm
That photo and “Skipper casts her first vote for a woman…” is so exciting! Got a lil teary.
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Yep. And isn’t Skipper the reason we are all here? So that she can run for office based on political positions versu gender hatred? That she can grow up to play on a professional hockey team? So that her goals and aspirations are not dashed because of gender? That her full potential doesn’t become trellised and relegated to the spectator bleachers?
So that little boys are not encouraged to cultivate and unleash their inner barbaric monsterism but instead recognize and respect gender differences equally?
Women and children are the reason I am here.
murphy 12.08.09 at 1:58 pm
Puma-SF, I just read a hawaiian saying in Half the Sky (which I never would have bought if not for Swannie, another manifestation of the truth of the following):
A man goes out to the beach and sees that it is covered with starfish that have washed up on the shore by a tidal storm. The starfish are dying by the countless thousands. Then he sees a young girl walking through the starfish, picking up and tossing gently back to sea one and then another and then another single starfish. He calls out to the girl and asks her why she is wasting her time.
“What are you doing? Can’t you see how many starfish there are? You’ll never make a difference.”
The girl thought for a second and then turned around and picked up a starfish, tossed it gently into the sea.
“It sure made a difference to that one,” she said.
— and so, we may not save all the starfish in a day or a month or a decade even, but we CAN be a community of starfish tossers.
murphy 12.08.09 at 2:01 pm
Zee, “From the Wonderland of Cupcakes”
I heard a radio ad this morning for the “Best Christmas Fruitcake EVER!”
now I keep wanting to tell people who make me laugh, “You are the best Christmas Fruitcake EVER!”
Swannie 12.08.09 at 2:03 pm
For the record, I too agree with RD on the post regarding the catholic church interfering in USA politics. The bottom line is they are actively trying to impose part of their repressive and regresssive belief ssystem ( the part that oppresses women and intereferes with their reprodictive rights ) on all of the world. I also understand that criticism of the church and its polotical actions is often confused with intolerance. Exactly the oppostie is true . The intolerance is on the part of the church , who also actively foster the idea that any criticism is persecution.
How can we recognise and call out oppression of women in Islam if we fail to recognise its subtler brother in Catholicism.
None of this has anything to do with Christianity , but has more to do with limiting the POWER of a church who enforces ideas that to my mind, are the antithesis of christianity.
Swannie 12.08.09 at 2:05 pm
PS I really wish I were a better typer….
sistermoon3 12.08.09 at 2:05 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/08/obama-takes-joblessness/
forget the article, just look at the pic and my caption is
“my penis is this size”
Swannie 12.08.09 at 2:07 pm
I love the starfish story TAHNK YOU for reposting it here !!!! HUGS MURPHY
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 2:10 pm
Yeah, no kidding, Oloser
“Obama said the crisis was caused not just by economic weakness but the “weakness in our political system” — one corroded by the “bitterness of partisanship,” and the “endless campaigns focused on scoring points instead of meeting our common challenges.”"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/08/obama-takes-joblessness/
sistermoon3 12.08.09 at 2:11 pm
dances, i posted the same link, but mine was about the pic
murphy 12.08.09 at 2:12 pm
sistermoon, yep.
did you see Violet Socks on the undeniably historic signifigance of Sarah Palin, whom she calls the First Female Andrew Jackson?
good stuff:
http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/11/30/the-female-andrew-jackson/
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 2:13 pm
sistermoon3 12.08.09 at 2:11 pm
dances, i posted the same link, but mine was about the pic
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Yep. I read the article after I looked at the picture you directed us to
Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 2:17 pm
Murphy: I love the story and I agree completely. If we sit around and do nothing that is exactly what we will get in return. Last night I spent about three hours arguing/discussing with people on CQ Polictics. Some are just lost causes but others I think may now put down the kool aid and look at things rationally. Here’s one comment:
Are you suffering from some early onset age-related dementia? The Obama Administration does not engage its opposition with any rhetoric based on racism. It does what it can to operate as neutrally as possible in that area just to avoid the charge of playing the race card. You are either then, making it up or imagining it. Either way, I pity you.
Here’s another:
LOL. It ain’t 1963 in Alabama any more, Billy Bob. And you ain’t no Demmycrat.
I s’pose the SF in your name is shorthand for your general condition after your second bottle of white lightnin’ afor y’all git outta bed in the mornin’.
murphy 12.08.09 at 2:23 pm
sistermoon, re: that picture you posted,
You are the Best Christmas Fruitcake EVER!
Swannie 12.08.09 at 2:26 pm
Murphy , that is exactly what I mean when all these idiots who cannot see the historical forest for the trees lose their way in Sarah Palin Derangement Syndrome , forget that she is really only the SECOND woman in the history of the UNITED STATES to run in a national election for the highest offices in the land . That makes her a historical figure .
She is the cinderella political figure, and Nancy Pelosi is the hideous stepmother , with too many ugly sisters to count, Joy Behar, Arianna Huffington, Oprah, Rachel Maddow Michelle O. ….etc etc…
Peronally,
I think Princess Di is her “faerie goddessmother “
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 2:27 pm
“…oh, and I’m Black.” (Bi-racial is more accurate, but why let a manipulative lie stop you?)
“…typical white person…”
“fairytale” is racist
the clintons are racist
turns on the ebonics when addressing predominantly AA audience
and, given his blond hair thin resume, he never would have been the selectee had it not been for his relatively dark complexion.
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 2:29 pm
Swannie
Shirley Chisholm and Ferraro (still have the bumpersticker!) both ran for pres and vp respectively.
goofsmom 12.08.09 at 2:33 pm
((((((PUMA’s ROCK))))))
WAY TO GO SKIPPER!!!!
Ditto’s to everyones comments this morning. I really can’t add much that hasn’t been said already.
One quote I’ll play with a little… “The rumors of PUMAs passing are greatly exaggerated.”
I wanted to second Dances #39… I too am here for Women and children. Let the greatness of their dreams not be stunted by the idiocy of the current political and societal landscape.
The Starfish story is one of my favorites. We can not remake the country in one day but we sure as hell can help one person a day! I think of FLBarbara and how she lives this story every day and sometimes more than once a day. (((FLBarbara)))
((((Murphy))))
You help more than one person a day too. You give us a safe haven to express our thoughts, grow our dreams and actually help us work to change the inequities of our country towards women and children.
Next time you get in a tupor email me so I can give ya a swift kick and then a hug.
RememberNovember 12.08.09 at 2:40 pm
Puma-SF – those are the lost causes, right?
Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 3:03 pm
RememberNov: Yup, for sure. I don’t know why but I expected more from the CQ group. I don’t know why I was surprised, though. The comments on SF Gate are just as atrocious.
Swannie 12.08.09 at 3:06 pm
I found this on a link
http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/12/06/i-got-yer-rape-prevention-email-forward-right-here/
Murhpy already posted above, but it is well worth re-posting here.. because IMO it clearly demonstrates the mind set we need to cultivate as women . It isnt OUR FAULT .. and we need to place all of the responsibility for oppression and victimization on the perpetrators !
Sexual Assault Prevention Tips Guaranteed to Work
1. Don’t put drugs in women’s drinks.
2. When you see a woman walking by herself, leave her alone.
3. If you pull over to help a woman whose car has broken down, remember not to assault her.
4. If you are in a lift and a woman gets in, don’t assault her. You know what? Don’t even ogle her.
5. When you encounter a woman who is asleep, the safest course of action is to not assault her.
6. Never creep into a woman’s home through an unlocked door or window, or spring out at her from between parked cars, or assault her.
7. When you lurk in bushes and doorways with criminal intentions, always wear bright clothing, wave a flashlight, or play “Boys Who Rape (Should All Be Destroyed)” by the Raveonettes on a boombox really loud, so women in the vicinity will know where to aim their flamethrowers.
8. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If it is inconvenient for you to stop yourself from assaulting women, ask a trusted friend to accompany you when in public.
9. Carry a rape whistle. If you find that you are about to assault a woman, you can hand the whistle to your buddy, so s/he can blow it to call for help.
10. Give your buddy a revolver, so that when indifferent passers-by either ignore the rape whistle, or gather round to enjoy the spectacle, s/he can pistol-whip you.
Don’t forget: Honesty is the best policy. When asking a woman out on a date, don’t pretend that you are interested in her as a person; tell her straight up that you expect to be assaulting her later. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the woman may take it as a sign that you do not plan to rape her.
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 3:08 pm
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 2:29 pm
Swannie
Shirley Chisholm and Ferraro (still have the bumpersticker!) both ran for pres and vp respectively.
Oh, and two women on the Green Party ticket ran on the pres/vp ticket last year (names do not come to mind at the moment).
kat in your hat 12.08.09 at 3:08 pm
#39 Dances, yes, absolutely. Sorry I took a few, was thinking about how I want the whole culture to change. Talked to teen girls this past weekend and they were sooo saturated in pop culture, I know it’s normal, I guess, for teens, but I was sad to see how…processed they were. I don’t know. I want to help change our culture. I wish adults took their kids off of the conveyor belt & away from media poisons, etc. Sick of the stupidity. I better get to wack. xo
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 3:14 pm
A new generation voting for women!!
GO Michael!!!
honora 12.08.09 at 3:15 pm
Maybe Skipper will live her whole, long, healthy and happy life voting exclusively for women. All that and she is left-handed, too!!
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 3:19 pm
All that and she is left-handed, too!!
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Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 3:20 pm
I like that, Swannie.
Oh boy more spending:
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/6UM9fD/www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121197414&ft=1&f=1001/r:t
stoney42 12.08.09 at 3:22 pm
Hi Pumas!
Way to go Skipper!
In my day you had to be at least 21 to vote. I remember my first vote – JFK.
goofsmom 12.08.09 at 3:28 pm
Puma-SF,
We can definitely tell “O” has never balanced a checkbook in his life! You can’t spend more than you have… just doesn’t work. Yet our government persists.
I wonder if the government would slow down spending non-existent money if we started charging them overdraft fees that they had to pay us for all this b*llshit.
stoney42 12.08.09 at 3:32 pm
BO gives a speech on the ecomomy and jobs and the Dow is down -100.
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 3:41 pm
stoney42 12.08.09 at 3:22 pm
Hi Pumas!
Way to go Skipper!
In my day you had to be at least 21 to vote.
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The Viet Nam
waraction chnaged that…people were questioning why 18 year olds could be drafted and sent to war at 18 without the benefit of voting.
Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 3:42 pm
Goofs: It just doesn’t make any sense. Looks like the two tax cheats are going to talk about taxes:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/71183-rangel-set-to-press-for-major-tax-overhaul
sistermoon3 12.08.09 at 3:52 pm
Murphy, Im glad you reminded of Lett Reclusive article comparing Palin to Andrew Jackson. Swannie had pointed it out to me a few days ago in the past, but after reading it a second time, the part about the personal lifestyles being attacked were
quite compelling.
What is really strange for me with comparison.
The genocidal procedures he did to Native Americans
I did not like.
Sarah Palin’s pro choice stance while in opposition
i do not like.
But, given the fact, that we survived an Andrew Jackson,
surly we can survive a Sarah Palin, given the chance.
michelina 12.08.09 at 3:54 pm
((((((pumaland)))
Murphy: You were scaring me at the beginning of the post,
I didn’t know which way was UP—-Thank God for the END,
and for you and this Blog, we also so dearly love and
depend on for guidance, knowledge and leadership.
((((PUMA’S Beautiful Head (s) rears and ROARS !!!!!))))
Zee 12.08.09 at 4:06 pm
#50 PUMA-SF
I sympathize. I’m over at Newser lmao at the bama boiz because fraudbama just called up Conyers and whined for him to stop “demeaning” His Royal Lightbringer. I was laughing that they couldn’t call Conyers a “racist” and sure enough…they called me one, in terms that included stained KKK sheets.
I think I read something about boobs and phone calls upthread, which I will have to go reread, but in case people don’t know, this is hilarious:
http://www.newser.com/story/75699/obama-to-conyers-stop-demeaning-me.html?commentid=261079#comment_261079
Zero is calling up and whining to his critics to stop! Conyers was furious and refused to “chat” with Zero and told him to expect his criticism in writing and he wants a reply in writing! Man, he is one ruffled former obot!
murphy 12.08.09 at 4:11 pm
sistermoon, yep we survived Andrew Jackson.
the navajo, not so much.
palin is deluded and wrong about the right of the federal government to make private decisions for people. but she is also a HELL of an American phenomenon.
murphy 12.08.09 at 4:12 pm
Zee and other MA pumas may remember how pathetic Margery Egan was in her obama love and puma hating. Which makes this article a bit rich:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1217393&format=&page=2&listingType=col#articleFull
murphy 12.08.09 at 4:17 pm
more coolness from the Great Metrowest. The two girls pictured in this Globe feature are friends of my daughter. Both phenomenally talented. They play a lesbian couple:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2009/12/06/concord_carlisle_regional_tackles_gay_themed_school_play/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed6
Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 4:18 pm
Zee: I loved your comments over there. What in the hell was “clinging to hope” trying to say?
Murphy, what time do the polls close? Margery Egan can kiss it. I want to do a press release. What do you want it to say?
kat in your hat 12.08.09 at 4:18 pm
“Obama’s 47 Percent Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point” http://bit.ly/5D0EIs
and just making sure all lurkers, etc read recent articles:
“Kennedy’s Seat: Will Women Vote for a Woman?” http://bit.ly/73TYLI
&
“King Obama v. Queen Clinton — Check or Checkmate?”
http://bit.ly/8ji0oF
Zee 12.08.09 at 4:33 pm
Murphy, congrats to the Carlisle HS’s putting on that musical! As for Margery Eagan, wth? omg, the comments sections have been brutal everywhere on Martha, as the boyz gnash their teeth. One man sneers at the bitter middle-aged women voting for Martha and then goes on to say that any man voting for her has his head up his ass.
So, I guess that means all the men in the unions I’ve seen busting their butts off campaigning for her.
PUMA-SF…thanks. I’ve never seen that “clinging to hope” nym before, so obviously he was channeling himself when he accused me of using more than one nym. I think he was trying to imply that I had a racist “alter-ego” there and that he’d “confirmed” it somehow, but I had no clue what that card game bit meant. The thing is, he had a Zerobama logo with “I lie” on it, so I was super-baffled as to whether he was an Obot or not. *wotever*
Usually I just post a lot of hahahahahas! and “I told you so”s and buzz off, but sometimes I do post facts and then pre-emptively tell them they’re negative-rating facts, not me. I don’t generally hang out long enough for actual exchanges, but that story about Zero calling up conyers to whine was just too funny. (And yes, Murphy did link to it via Hillary is 44 upthread)
Zee 12.08.09 at 4:41 pm
kat in the hat mentioned upthread about getting girls off the “media grid” (or something like that, sorry I can’t remember the precise phrase).
Forgive me if we already have this, but I’ve just started posting in the women’s lynching forum, and it’s so solemn in there, reading all the horror stories. I was thinking we need one place to post positive stories, too, and kat’s comments made me think why not keep a running list and conversation on good books and movies for girls?
I’m constantly trying to find those for my niece, and just recently I screened Josie and the Pussycats. I haven’t decided if that’s a good one or not…my sis-in-law is very allergic to showing her anything with gangs of “mean girls” in it. Anyway. I know I would like a one-stop place to grow a list of good films and books for girls.
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 4:42 pm
Careful using the term “check mate”, it’ll be read as a threat of assination of obama. (Shah Maat = the King is dead)
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 4:47 pm
Zee
Great idea!!
goofsmom 12.08.09 at 4:48 pm
Puma-SF,
# 69 – Yep the 2 tax cheats are going to reform our tax codes… probably to allow more loop holes for themselves and like minded individuals.
Shadowfax 12.08.09 at 4:55 pm
Swannie
Murphy , you remain the consistent , focused and pragmatic voice of PUMA . You are the stable center , while other parts fly out in the whirling political centrifuge, and lose ground , direction, and cohesiveness when they separate out into smaller splinter entities..
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Yup Swannie, gotta agree that our Murphy is the center of the PUMA universe, even when she is behind the scenes. The splintering others are their own downfall.
Hip, hip for our ((((Murphy!)))
Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 5:11 pm
Yup, Murphy rocks my world.
Shadowfax 12.08.09 at 5:13 pm
Thanks KatInYourHat, worth posting what’s in the link: #77
Chess is a war game.
You win by playing your opponent, not the game.
The patient, wily, and deft player often triumphs more frequently than the flashy, lightening quick one.
A grand master will pick off the pawns as they cross into enemy territory and then concentrate on checking the King.
The Queen has the greatest maneuverability of all the chess pieces. She can be the most lethal.
The King, by contrast, is often barricaded behind a wall of defenders, with little room to escape-save in a bold and risky fashion.
The King is dying. Long live the Queen.
Quietly, and under almost everyone’s radar, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has been vanquishing her foes, while President Barack Obama has been multiplying his.
Furthermore, she has been paying off her debts, while Obama has been multiplying his (and the country’s) I.O.U.s.
Obama is down in the polls. Clinton is up. He is losing his liberal base and taking heat on health care, the wars, broken promises, gate crashers, the bailouts, and a grand design that leaves his base behind.
As New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd wrote Sunday, “The Obama White House is morphing into the Bush White House with frightening speed. Its transparency is already fogged up.”
On Tuesday night, Clinton may win promotion of another pawn to a valuable seat in the U.S. Senate-and enhance her position on the political chess board.
A non-Kennedy, non-Obama candidate may win the special election to replace the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, and become the first woman ever elected to the U.S. Senate from that ultra liberal state.
If Clinton supporter and Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley wins that will make the ninth score that Clinton has settled. And it will have happened in the state that the Kennedy family once ruled.
Monday, in a surprise announcement, former President Bill Clinton just endorsed Coakley and has recorded a message to be sent to 500,000 Massachusetts voters to get out and vote for Coakley.
Read more: http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-12-07/politics-city-county-government/politics-opinion/oconnor-king-obama-v-queen-clinton-check-or-checkmate#ixzz0Z8bUIQIk
RememberNovember 12.08.09 at 5:51 pm
OT – but what an inconvenient truth, Al Gore! Just when everyone in the climate field is gathering in Copenhagen the s**t hits the fan. Seriously, the whole world focussing on this meeting and the basic ‘presentation’ of the data is being questioned as being manipulated. Cries of “fraud” even. What to do? Cannot cancel the meeting, get the MSM (at least in the US) to ignore it – that’s a start …
Seriously the whole issue should be discussed. This is going to be cap and trade fodder after all. Below is a good article, written 2 days ago, that should help explain the issues being discussed in those emails, even if you are not a scientist.
[Understanding Climategate’s Hidden Decline
By Marc Sheppard
Close followers of the Climategate controversy know that much of the mêlée surrounds an e-mail in which Climate Research Unit (CRU) chief Phil Jones wrote about using “Mike’s Nature Trick” (MNT) to “hide the decline.” And yet, seventeen days and thousands of almost exclusively on-line op-eds into this scandal, it still seems that very few understand exactly which “decline” was being hidden, what “trick” was used to do so, and why Jones’s words have become the slogan for the greatest scientific fraud in history.
As the mainstream media move from abject denial to dismissive whitewashing, CRU co-conspirators move to Copenhagen for tomorrow’s U.N. climate meeting, intent on changing the world as we know it based primarily on their now-exposed trickery. Add yesterday’s announcement of a U.N. investigation into the matter, which will doubtless be no less corrupt than those being investigated, and public awareness of how and why that trick was performed is now more vital than ever.
snip ….. for the whole article go to:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understanding_climategates_hid.html
RememberNovember 12.08.09 at 5:56 pm
Hi ((Shadow)) – love the chess game
goofsmom 12.08.09 at 6:12 pm
One win for the women…
Nelson Fails to Add Abortion Limits to Health Bill (Update1)
Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Senate refused to add stricter limits on abortion funding to health-care legislation, jeopardizing Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson’s support for the overall plan.
The Senate voted 54-45 to reject Nelson’s amendment. While he said his proposal would simply preserve the prohibition on federal funding of abortion, opponents argued it would discourage insurance companies from covering the procedure.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aKa77q0tIhkg&pos=8
____________________________________________
IN YOUR FACE NELSON!!!
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 6:19 pm
No Uterus?
No Opinion!!
shouldvevotedforhillary 12.08.09 at 6:25 pm
Great post! Just phone banked for Coakley a little earlier. Most people I spoke with were voting for her.
Re: PUMA. I’m not sure why people want a new movement. Maybe it could use regrouping but PUMA still seems to fit me at least.
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And I don’t believe Christianity is the only religion to blame. There are far too many religions that are contributors.
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 6:28 pm
shouldvevotedforhillary
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any news / projections on the returns yet?
RememberNovember 12.08.09 at 6:29 pm
Great news goofs and love your comment on this issue Dances
Shadowfax 12.08.09 at 6:36 pm
((( RememberNovember )))
Hi ((Shadow)) – love the chess game
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Checkmate, he’s out!!! (The black king, huddles in the corner surrounded by his koolaid pawns until the white Queen pounces and takes him down.
goofsmom 12.08.09 at 6:36 pm
Dances,
Polls close at 8PM EST, they are expecting results before 10PM EST.
RememberNovember 12.08.09 at 6:39 pm
Fox reporting abysmal turnout in the Coakley race – too bad. Polls close at 8 pm.
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 6:39 pm
Thanks
OI was asking shouldvevotedforhillary if there were any projections as of yet.
RememberNovember 12.08.09 at 6:41 pm
Shadow
RememberNovember 12.08.09 at 6:50 pm
[Public option compromise takes shape
A potential deal took shape Monday that could eliminate the public option from the Senate health reform bill, as Democrats weighed big expansions of both Medicare and Medicaid in a bid to break an impasse over the government insurance plan.
But negotiators were still struggling to craft a compromise that could satisfy moderates worried about the too-heavy hand of government — and liberals who would be giving up on their cherished goal of a federal health insurance safety net.
After five days of intensive talks among five moderates and five liberals, the outlines of a compromise aimed at appeasing both ends of the Democratic political spectrum were emerging: a plan designed to expand insurance coverage without creating a new government-run program. ]
snip … for more see:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30318.html
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Hmmmmm – this might be a compromise that would work
shouldvevotedforhillary 12.08.09 at 6:50 pm
Yes, FOX said turnout was low. But it’s a senate primary race so that’s not too surprising. From everything else I have heard they are saying Coakley has the advantage.
Zee 12.08.09 at 6:52 pm
I voted late in the day…fewer than 150 votes recorded, but people were still trickling in. To compare, for the hotly contested mayor’s race our precinct had more votes than that in the first hour. I couldn’t phone bank this weekend…swollen throat. :/ But I got a ton of calls, so I think they had enough workers. (didn’t get the Bill Clinton robocall, tho!) What I’m afraid of is that people were complacent, thinking Martha was so way out ahead that she didn’t need *their* particular vote. Hard to believe the unions didn’t get the vote out, tho.
I’m so restless…can’t concentrate on anything but don’t want to turn the tv on before 8….
Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 6:53 pm
Hey Murph: Hillay Is 44 likes your starfish story:
http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/12/08/angry-obama-nobel-boob-prize/#comment-272166
Zee 12.08.09 at 6:53 pm
dances 80 and 81
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 7:02 pm
Zee
The fox is under the bridge.
DancesWithPumas 12.08.09 at 7:03 pm
shouldvevotedforhillary and Zee
Thanks for the info
Zee 12.08.09 at 7:06 pm
Ooooo. Grrrrrrrrllllll power! At….NASCAR!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/blog/from_the_marbles/post/Danica-Patrick-Kelly-Earnhardt-bring-girl-power?urn=nascar,207464
shouldvevotedforhillary 12.08.09 at 7:12 pm
Has anyone heard this? UCLA has made an announcement that stem cells can be engineered to kill HIV.
http://www.advocate.com/article.aspx?id=103765&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AdvocatecomDailyNews+%28Advocate.com+Daily+News%29
Puma-SF 12.08.09 at 7:21 pm
Ha! Dodd is losing to a woman!
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/08/dodd_stumbling_badly.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=political-wire
Zee 12.08.09 at 7:22 pm
Nice, svfh! That’s great to hear.
There’s been some nice progress recently, such as batteries being made out of paper, which will make electric cars, etc, more viable.
And so we move forward…
Zee 12.08.09 at 7:26 pm
PUMA-SF
Linda McMahon, CEO of WWE. The wrestlers, both men and women, have had some depressing things to say about her, tho. Regarding the work climate she created, a la health care support and vulgar sexist story lines.
murphy 12.08.09 at 7:32 pm
very good read by Stanley Fish in the NYT, and many of the comments will NOT make you want to pull your hair out in despair.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/sarah-palin-is-coming-to-town/
thanks Puma-SF for the link to Hillary is 44, unity is lovely, no?
murphy 12.08.09 at 8:23 pm
Go Martha posted!
take it upstairs!!
goofsmom 12.08.09 at 8:23 pm
News on Martha…
Massachusetts – 24 of 2168 Precincts Reporting – 1%
Name Party Votes Vote %
Coakley , Martha Dem 4,128 47%
Capuano , Mike Dem 2,312 26%
Khazei , Alan Dem 1,494 17%
Pagliuca , Steve Dem 869 10%
U.S. Senate – Unexpired Term – GOP Primary
Massachusetts – 22 of 2168 Precincts Reporting – 1%
Name Party Votes Vote %
Brown , Scott GOP 1,557 88%
Robinson , Jack GOP 203 12%
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http://www.myfoxboston.com/
Numbers are next to the heading Battle for the US Senate
Zee 12.09.09 at 9:22 am
Murphy….Go Martha is not showing up on my screen at 9:17am….sure it’s up yet??
Swannie 12.09.09 at 2:54 pm
FROM HILLBUZZ
http://hillbuzz.org/2009/12/09/a-promise-we-want-you-all-to-make-do-not-allow-trig-palin-to-be-attacked-on-your-watch-ever/
This will be brief, but we want to get you all on the same page.
We were told today that the Left is making the rounds on various sites like HuffPo, Daily Kos, etc. (all the usual suspects), talking about how great it would be for people to go to Sarah Palin’s book signings and throw eggs, tomatoes, rocks, etc. at her and her family. Our first impulse at this is to say, “Sarah, declare yourself a 2012 candidate already and get Secret Service protection NOW. Dr. Utopia got it earlier than anyone in history, so you should get it early too.”
Then, we hear news that the sickos on the Left are hoping people hit Trig Palin with whatever they are throwing.
THIS SIMPLY CANNOT HAPPEN
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