How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Democratic Party?

by murphy on November 21, 2009

in Clinton Derangement Syndrome, Madam Secretary, profound question of the day

Meeting with some people this morning who are trying to get more Democratic women into office in Massachusetts. Assuming you think there is ANY hope whatsoever left for the Democratic Party (and no matter what, obama will be out of office by 2016 at the latest — the Democratic Party will still be here long after he’s gone.), what do YOU think needs to be done to fix the Party? Be as specific as possible.

If you had an hour to sit down with the Party, what would you tell them they NEED TO DO in order to regain the respect and trust of Americans, especially American women (cuz that’s who I care most about, sorry Boys. ;-) ) ?

Also, here’s evidence that the national media and the obama Movement lied their asses off about Hillary Clinton.

“What was the most surprising thing you learned about Secretary Clinton during the weeks that you spent with her for your Vogue article, Jonathan?”

“Well, John, I was surprised to learn that Hillary Clinton is NOT a mean, old, ugly, cold, witch, cunt of a  castrating BITCH!”

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Rancho 11.21.09 at 7:44 am

Good morning Murphy and all! Snail Mail donation coming!
Hectic, busy day, so I’ll try to pop in later.

T quote you again Murphy . . .
“You know where I stand, Pumas: VOTE FOR WOMEN.”

(Just a final reminder. . . Now you can vote for the woman who was instrumental in winning your right to EVEN VOTE, Alice Paul!)

You have until Sunday, November 22nd to vote to have Alice Paul inducted into the NJ Hall of Fame. Visit http://www.njhalloffame.com to cast your vote for Alice!
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AND ANYONE CAN VOTE FROM ANY STATE!

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 8:01 am

They need to kick Obama and his thugs to the curb!

Well hey Murphy where to begin? It would be a monumental task to rid us of the poison they have sown. For 8 long years they have planned and set this train wreck in motion.
How to change as you often say starts with us, grassroots and RESPECT for women.
The SCFP has the country in a state of mind control, the marketing of the NEW Democratic party has raised the ire of the poor and the underbelly.
So very few have looked hard into the face of this evil power grab and believe we are in danger.
We have no trust in our government or the political parties.
In god and government they are not trusted or worth a dollar bill.
Vote for women, b/c we are the answer, the 51% that need to balance out this insidious male bashing and misogyny in every aspect of government.
Vote the bums out!
And tell them ISLAM and PC suck!!!

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Rancho 11.21.09 at 8:10 am

Just watched the CNN! clip. INTERESTING that comments come out supporting Hillary around the same time Sarah Palin is receiving so much press with her book.

YA THINK maybe “da mens” are recognizing that powerful, qualified women ARE tired of business as usual, and we are an emerging force that is growing in power and strength? (On CNN yet!) Maybe all this health care stuff with Stupak, mammogram, and pap test rationing might shake some of our sisters up! Maybe this could be the call that wakes up the nation about ERA not being ratified as a constitutional amendment?! I can only dream!

(I really don’t like hearing about Hillary’s crush, tho. It feels a little sexist to me, but I’m open to criticism. Maybe people feel that it softens her a bit, but if a man in politics was in the same position, how would he be portrayed?)

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 8:13 am

whoa…woman bashing! BY freaking males!

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 8:19 am

AND Murph as Light Pond says tell them we are bullshit!

“Pelosi delivers a bucket of snot and labels it Health Care Reform.”

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Rancho 11.21.09 at 8:39 am

“If you had an hour to sit down with the Party, what would you tell them they NEED TO DO in order to regain the respect and trust of Americans, especially American women.”

RATIFY THE ERA! Shake up the states that are holding out, and clueless that women in their states don’t have it! Focus on in inequality of representation, state by state. How can we ever hope to represent a nation that won’t protect and represent us?

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Rancho 11.21.09 at 8:40 am

Focus on in inequality=focus on THE inequality

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prplvette85 11.21.09 at 8:52 am

The Democratic party in my opinion is dead. It will only be revived, if and when there will be equal or more representation by women. They also need to stop all this political correctness. They need to stop buying and paying off lobbyists, and start listening to the voters. The need for fair elections, getting rid of the caucuses that are unfair. They are going to have to go back to grass root elections and candidates. They are going to need to be more bi-partisan. The world is forever changed after this fraud was elected. We can’t be a super power to the world, when America is run by wimps. People are now going to vote person, not party.

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Headclunker 11.21.09 at 9:19 am

What was really shocking to me was realizing that a party that WAS 54% female had Superdelegates that were 64% male. And even with a minority membership higher that the general population, they had Superdelegates that were 46% WHITE MALES.

Furthermore, the “vote” that supported BO’s nomination was gender biased.
Obama – Female 156, Male 327
Clinton – Female 125, Male 132
Undecided – Female 26, Male 55

The Superdelegates should more accurately reflect the demographics of the party. They need to review their policies on discrimination within the party.

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Headclunker 11.21.09 at 9:26 am

Next Suggestion: Audit BO’s Campaign Finances. They are disgraceful. The incompetent boobs still do not have their books balanced. Besides the millions in overlimit funds, there are people on the books that received more in refunds than they contributed. Can these people do math?

Even if the FEC does not Audit BO’s finances, the party should insist on proper accounting or intervene with their own auditing.

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Headclunker 11.21.09 at 9:43 am

The biggest issue right now is the economy. If the DemOrats do not take care of that business then there is nothing going to fix this for them. The next stimulus package should be one that invests in the American People instead of the Banksters. The last bill allocated about 1/4 of the funds to the American People and that has been greatly reduced by graft. Very little of it gets where in is needed and would actually stimulate the economy.

The next stimulus bill should exclude the Banksters. It should include a government infrastructure that oversees the funds to be directly allocated to areas that need development, bypassing State, County and Municipal allocation systems.

I work in environment health. We have major projects that would bring money into the area and improve public health. Guess what? No funding.

And this is Florida, where Charlie got us a big slice of Pork.

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 9:57 am

NO MORE STIMULUS MONEY!!! Bring our jobs back, I hate (and won’t) buy shoes made in China!!!
Tell them we are voting AGAINST them, we vote for women and if only Republican women are running they will get our votes!
And tell them thank you very much for bashing Palin we will now vote for her when we can!! They have made her a houdhold word…like air freshner!!

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 9:59 am

household

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Swannie 11.21.09 at 10:10 am

LISTEN TO GODDESS RADIO !!!http://audio.cygnusradio.com:8000/cyg1_hi.m3u

that would unglue quite a few democratic brains ;)

… then…Fix the economy , Kill this insuracare and pharmacare bill and pass health care incrementally and slowly and carefully , and include women. Decide on a strategy for Afghamistan and stop letting our troops die over there .Stop apologising for this country .
as a Party …end the caucuses in the primaries and have all of the states hold proper elections .. . the list is of course endless ..but that would be a beginning

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Zee 11.21.09 at 10:13 am

(((Murphy)))

Way to go!!!! Tell them that they’re doing the right thing, working on getting more women to run, and more women elected, because after last election season a lot of women are PO!!!!

And (sorry prplvette) they need to be more partisan, not less. Real values, not this muddled mess Zerobama’s made of the party, forcing Dems to go along against their own will.

We’re with YOU!!!!

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Zee 11.21.09 at 10:17 am

You know how Dean used to say “I’m from the Democratic branch of the Democratic Party” before he sold his soul to the Obamacratic blight?

Well, we’re from the PUMAcratic branch! And it’s the one with blossoms and delicious fruit on it.

Swannie….turning on the radio as soon as I let the pup out!

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Zee 11.21.09 at 10:20 am

Oh, and I just wanted to say, that link at the top needs a “trigger” warning on it.

It will trigger a flashback to all of the abuse from the last election season. Not only is all the mainstream media abuse listed, but also the comments are FROM that time, when all the Obots were still in full force.

I could only make it through about 50 comments and had to stop reading.

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sistermoon3 11.21.09 at 10:39 am

I truly believe that both parties have succombed to the “money, greed, more government” attitude as some levels. This whole healthcare bill is a pay off, we are witnessing it at the highest level down to the lowest level. To even think of putting in a bill that one lone state, Louisiana will not be affected by the Medicaid program while all other already in the red budget wise will be, to offer 100 million to one lone state in order to do what, get the the damned thing passed is beyond any constitutional question it’s pure bribery in my humble opinion.
Stop the lying, if you are gonna raise taxes, say it and explain it. Dont run on platforms and then do 360 turn arounds. Quit wanting government to answer problems and let the people have more of their incomes, doesnt it make sense that people spend when they have it. They cant live like that on and on and on.
It’s fascinating to me, that they (governments state and federal are already getting around 40 percent of our monies and they want more. Healthcare should have never been a partisan issue to begin with. It should have been debated in states as a pre-show of what would best benefit the people. Then it should have been
delievered to dc for honest debate. This is not a government takeover, this is a political takeover just because of mere numbers. Obama likes those odds, he works better when when he kills all other obstructions to his plans, i believe we have seen him pull this off way too many times by now to even think this party is the same as it used to be, it’s not the democratic party to me anymore, it’s his party and he’ll sing if he wants to. Sadly, he does have that reputation, and it’s not an honorable one. It puts a cloud on all the people are running for office and for the time being it doesnt appear to be dawning on many of them that this is why millions of americans are feeling let down, shoved out of the process that makes us feel free and that we are being heard.
Simply put, the party has to stop the greed, growing the debt, and putting country before party. That’s a big ticket isnt it?
Maybe it could be simply but by saying, “get chicago politics” out of dc.

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scarlet 11.21.09 at 10:39 am

H.R. 1503

To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee’s statement of organization a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution.

Sponsor: Rep. Bill Posey [R-FL15]

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honora 11.21.09 at 10:47 am

For me the electoral fraud was the last straw. The caucuses need to be eliminated. We need one person one vote in every state. We need to stop allowing NH and Iowa to rule the process. The weighting of groups the DNC likes in order to have the 50 state solution is a disaster.(Remember how the AAs in SC were so incredibly important to the DNC, yet SC has never and will not in any time soon go to the DNC in the general election. The DNC has enough real states with AA voters (like my state of Maryland, with not having to manufacture AA voters to make Clyburn a kingmaker.) No super delegates. Time the primaries so that a random collection of states is assigned to each primary. Proportional delegate selection for each state. Go back to the ’70s goal of real democratic selection of the nominee. So what if it takes a long time, the DNC has to stop ‘orchestrating’ the process and let the Democratic voters decide. No open primaries. I am sure that I will think of more later. (I am so mad at the DNC that I will vote women only unless they improve. However, I do think fixing the DNC would be a better way of making political change, then reinventing the wheel.

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Susie1945 11.21.09 at 10:51 am

Mornin’ PUMAs – Sorry Murphy – as far as the Democratic Party is concerned – frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damm……. I’m done with them – I will be voting person not party –

bbl – got a bunch of errands to do……………..

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sistermoon3 11.21.09 at 10:55 am

When we allow our Presidents, senators and representatives
to become only money-focused,
we allow them to fall into greed and deception.
It is a vicious cycle
Even the mere fact obama brought in nearly a billion on his campaign is quite a wake up call on the money factor and he’s been about nothing but money ever since he walked into the oval office. While this country is able to produce millionaires and billionaires in the world of business, that doesnt give the government the right to compete with any single person or group.
The government shoud be the defender of the people, not the lender to the people.

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Susie1945 11.21.09 at 10:57 am

Oh and one more thing – listened to part of that CNN shit tape above – what a bunch of condesending assholes – fuck them and their hole network – Hillary is head and shoulders above any fuckin’ male including Bill -

Tucker Carlson also needs to be castrated – didn’t like him when he was beating up on Hillary and he’s now doing the same shit to Palin – saying she’s gotta stop saying ’sexist’ – fuck him too asshole………………..

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Zee 11.21.09 at 11:12 am

Oh, Susie…I’m glad I didn’t watch that tape. I’m trying to stay positive here today!!! Listening to Goddess Radio…

Oh, and I hope Murphy tells them WE are the answer. We will lead the way.

I wonder what all those digusting O-posters from the link above would say now? What would they have to say now about their fraud vs Secretary Clinton? If they could be honest with themselves, I mean.

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murphy 11.21.09 at 11:14 am

Susie1945! Love ya hon.

Swannie– sorry for forgetting the link to goddess radio this morning. If dwp ever wakes up maybe she could update the post ;-)

I’m iphone blogging and it’s less than ideal.

Meetng went well– I like them a lot and I think they liked me. They’re privately funded, not a wing of the dem party. That’s good

what’s NOT good is that our damn gov’s wife endorsed capuano for senator over Martha coakley.

Jackass.

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Zee 11.21.09 at 11:20 am

You know, don’t forget that both Sarah Palin and Meghan McCain get a lot of bashing from their own, also. I wish the Republicans would also form groups to help get more women elected. If both the Dems and Republicans did this and got more women candidates into the pipeline I wonder how long it would take the “we aren’t just bashing her because she’s a woman” would wear thin even for the most clueless.

We’re going backwards, tho. Over at TGW someone just commented that both Publishers Weekly and the National Book Awards people had only male writers in their top ten lists.

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Zee 11.21.09 at 11:24 am

whoo-hoo, Murphy!!

“our damn gov’s wife endorsed capuano for senator over Martha coakley.”

Oh, what a surprise. Zero’s doing everything he can to send the little ladies out to undermine Martha….just like he got the obedient ones to go out and say stuff against Palin, remember?

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 11:26 am

Oh the Governor has a wife? Well who really gives a shit, he is toast!

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Headclunker 11.21.09 at 11:29 am

And One More Thing the Party Needs TO DO:

Hillary 2012!!!

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 11:32 am

Meetng went well– I like them a lot and I think they liked me. They’re privately funded, not a wing of the dem party. That’s good

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That is GREAT!! Gee I sound like Tony the Tiger…nah…HP the PUMA!!!

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Zee 11.21.09 at 11:38 am

Hahaha….here’s a story on why the males candidates vying for Kennedy’s seat are afraid to attack Martha…and are only squabbling amongst themselves:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/11/19/going_negative_has_risky_allure_for_coakley_rivals/

“The three trailing candidates are all waiting for one of the others to do their dirty work for them on the front-runner.’’

…On the few occasions when the candidates have begun to mix it up, they have tended to leave Coakley out of the fray.

During a radio debate last week, for example, the male candidates were frequently shouting over one another to drive a point home or get in a dig, going on for so long that at one point cohost Jim Braude said, “Gentlemen! Hold it, please!’’

…“The other dynamic at play is the front-runner is a female,’’ the aide added. “In an electorate that is likely to be 55 or 56 percent female, that presents its own set of challenges.’’

Yeah, buddy, you bet it does.

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hill4pres 11.21.09 at 11:40 am

if I got to sit with anyone in charge of the DEM party for an hour, I would tell them why I voted for McCain/Palin and how I left the party for a period of time. That I would gladly leave the party again – permanently – and feel no obligation to support the party, since they don’t appear to care to represent me. This doesn’t mean I would support Republicans – there are other parties and candidates. My disappointment at this moment is that Obama appears weak, like another Carter – which shows his inexperience. With Hillary we would have had a “fighter” in there. In the 2010 elections, I will vote for Francine Busby in my district, I’ll support Barbara Boxer and whoever the Dem is running for CA Gov because Meg Whitman supports Prop 8 and I cannot support a candidate who is against gay marriage. As far as the 2012 elections go. We’ll see. I am not opposed to Palin, necessarily, if she runs and if Obama still hasn’t done anything. However my views are more in line with the Dems – but if they don’t accomplish anything and we still have no jobs, well – what’s the point. With regards to bringing more women into politics and the Dem party. Well-the party did not stand up for Hillary and the sexism hurled against her, why would a woman even want to run?

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FLBarbara 11.21.09 at 11:41 am

Murphy

I am so glad the meeting went well.I know it will be the first of many doors that open for you.

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Zee 11.21.09 at 11:42 am

#28 HP

hahahaha! Too funny. Well put.

It burns the hell out of me, tho, that these jackasses are sending the ladies out to do their dirty work.

Swannie, great song!!!! “…and some people need to be forgot” indeed.

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Zee 11.21.09 at 11:47 am

h4p, it’s too bad Gavin Newsom had to drop out. Are there any women running on the Dem side for gov?

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Swannie 11.21.09 at 12:00 pm

you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! misting up this morning thanks FOR LISTENING HUGS and shoutouts coming up !!!

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FLBarbara 11.21.09 at 12:02 pm

I received the email from
Mitch Stewart
Director
Organizing for America
Asking me to “chip in” to stop Sarah Palin.
I wrote them back and asked what Sarah was doing other than speaking out against the Obama HC bill? Which by the way is how the majority of the country feels.
So you’ve launched a campaign and want 5.00 from me to “stop” someone from exercising their Constitutional right to free speech?

Is this the Democratic party???

Sorry I donated TO Sarah Palin someone needs to “stop” Obama and the DNC.
And I am delighted it’s a woman.
Karma ain’t it a bitch Mitch.?

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sistermoon3 11.21.09 at 12:07 pm

thanks swannie for the great music to listen to while i scroll, read and get informed by women about women, life is good:)

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sistermoon3 11.21.09 at 12:08 pm

by the way #37 Barabara are you serious, and what would the do with this money you would send them, buy duct tape to put over sarah’s mouth

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sistermoon3 11.21.09 at 12:08 pm

by the way #37 Barabara are you serious, and what would the do with this money you would send them, buy duct tape to put over sarah’s mouth

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Zee 11.21.09 at 12:26 pm

FL Barb, I got a similar email, but from someone else. Yeah, Palin is their fundraising catchword. :roll:

whoo-hoo! shoutout time on the radio!

Did anyone else see the gorgeous new moon last night?

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BigCatLover 11.21.09 at 12:28 pm

Since we have two major political parties and that is not likely to change any time soon, I would counsel the Democratic party to get the chip off their shoulders and stop reacting to all the crap the Republicans pulled when they were in power and using that as an excuse for all the crap the dems are now pulling. Then they need to reform their primary process by eliminating caucuses as they are too much an opportunity for fraud and are outdated. Then they need to do a purge of the leadership. Adopt a policy of finance reform because money can corrupt anybody and big money corrupts everybody. They need to get their credibility back by leveling with the people and exhibiting the transparency they promised but have not delivered. Flimflam men like Obama destroy all trust. That won’t be easy and may cause them some elections at first when they admit their mistakes, but it is necessary. None of this is easy, but it may save our political system. If one or the other party does not clean itself up, our political process is meaningless.

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sistermoon3 11.21.09 at 12:31 pm

amen bigcatlover

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Susie1945 11.21.09 at 12:33 pm

Hi PUMAs – back from errand running – just thought I’d drop this extra piece of shit – there are bookstores in San Francisco area that are refusing to carry Sarah Palin’s book – what a bunch of morons – guess free speech is going the same direction as the rest of the country – can we impeach that sorry piece of shit sittin’ in the White House – also saw over on Hillbuzz blog that they (whoever they are) think the fraud has lung cancer or something – guess his skinny ass is too skinny and the abs are disappearing – say it relates to the coke days – too bad………………….does this mean biden is gonna be prez? what a ham sandwich that would be……….

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 12:38 pm

Karma ain’t it a bitch Mitch.?
lol FlBarb :lol:

This Dem party is feeling it’s oats and ain’t nothing gonna change the ratbastards now! They suck as far as I am concerned…give it a lousy burial they desrve nothing from me ever!

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 12:41 pm

Hillbuzz blog that they (whoever they are) think the fraud has lung cancer
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What the hell are they smoking! He never eats that is why he is thin…scared shitless he will be poisoned!

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Zee 11.21.09 at 12:42 pm

Did they refuse to carry Ann Coulter’s books, too? This Sarah-bashing cult will be a full-blown religion before we know it. Especially if Zero goes dying of cancer on us and becomes a martyr.

Prepare yourselves….this is one omfg link….Mattel approves of a burqa barbie…

http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/11/mattel-backs-burqa-barbie-to-celebrate-dolls-50th-anniversary.html

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BigCatLover 11.21.09 at 12:45 pm

The only thing worse than the dems having the WH and both houses of Congress is the repubs having the WH and both houses of Congress. Voters need to split the power to check each party until they clean up their acts. Vote more women and candidate only, not party.

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Zee 11.21.09 at 12:46 pm

#45 HP

Well a Dem from FL put in a bill to do away with caucuses and to rotate the states which get first dibs during the primaries. I hope that is still on track.

And don’t worry, those of us actualizing the voting in of women will try to get Martha past the primary hurdle for ya! :)

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Zee 11.21.09 at 12:50 pm

Oh, Deb55 from the previous thread…thanks for that tidbit. Unbelievabullshit! Odinga converts to Chrisitanity after burning Xtians alive in churches? Methinks he converts to whatever brings him power, money, control…sounds like a family trait.

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Zee 11.21.09 at 12:52 pm

prplvette and goofs…regarding the dog advice from the last thread, thanks! Yes, it’s the pattern on the kitchen floor that scares him. I read somewhere that animals interpret straight lines as “cliffs.”

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sistermoon3 11.21.09 at 12:54 pm

that obama has cancer is tabloid fodder, maybe he does, maybe he doesnt but i saw it in the grocery store yesterday in the tabloid section, like we see other crap, sometimes there’s a tiny bit of truth every now and then it’s true, but i dont buy it and wouldnt wish it on anyone period

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BigCatLover 11.21.09 at 12:58 pm

I would think if O had cancer, his staff owuld not be publically commenting on his weight. I saw that as another attempt to get sympathy for poor BO because his job is soooo hard.

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 1:07 pm

(((Zee)))

#51 – :grin:

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 1:19 pm

((((MURPHY))))

I was great to read about your meeting this morning! Way to go, thank you for speaking for us. :)

Couple of questions for you…

After the meeting was over did you feel like there were others there that shared your point of view?

Would you say that you agreed with more than 50% of what was discussed or less than 50%?

Did you feel that the items discussed are things that can be changed quickly or would have to fight to get?

Final question, Did you feel that the group was made up of individuals that will work hard to get things done?

What I mean by that is I have been involved in action groups. I noticed that a quite a few of the people involved have great ideas and inputs but do not want to do the hard work necessary to make them happen.

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TerryDo 11.21.09 at 1:20 pm

BigCatLover 11.21.09 at 12:58 pm

I would think if O had cancer, his staff owuld not be publically commenting on his weight. I saw that as another attempt to get sympathy for poor BO because his job is soooo hard.
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So BCL ” …if his job is soo hard.” that begs the question, is Obama TRULY CAPABLE of being the President of American?

Answer.. NO he is not capable at all, that is why he has hired thousands of experts to analysis problems in each department of the government for him, and then they each in turn give him a briefing and a speech to read about how, he as president will handle, such and such a situation making it sound as if, Obama is well informed and they are his directives…. President O’Farce

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Swannie 11.21.09 at 2:05 pm

I think I am going to be sick and cry all at the same time …

A BURKHA is NOT traditional ISLAMIC dress it is a sign of slavery .. why dont they make SLAVE BARBIE ? oh wait they just did :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229760/Its-Barbie-burka-World-famous-doll-gets-makeover-hammer-50th-anniversary.html

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 2:09 pm

Well next they wil have to have beaten Barbie, Ken said she was a slut!
I hope they pack the stones in the box with Burka slave!

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BigCatLover 11.21.09 at 2:35 pm

Corporate American will do anything to sell some merchandise. Even enslave little girls.

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Swannie 11.21.09 at 2:39 pm

yep.. what is next…. SEX TRAFFICKED BARBIE?? Beggar Girl Barbie?

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 2:54 pm

I’m so confused… Well, let me clarify… I’ve been confused since the House vote on adding the Stupak amendment.

When did the Congressional leadership abdicate their constituancy for the will of religious leaders?

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FLBarbara 11.21.09 at 2:58 pm

WTF ?? What next?
Domestic violence Barbie she comes with a black eye, swollen lip and a broken arm.

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:01 pm

Oops, hit send to soon….

Continuing #61 – I have known about the Religious right but the rise of the religious left has caught me off guard. Not that the left doesn’t have religion, but it hasn’t been an issue when voting for bills before.

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CJK 11.21.09 at 3:05 pm

http://www.cftech.com/BrainBank/SPECIALREPORTS/impeachment.html

Here’s a really good, interesting article about impeachment. It includes a summary of what the U.S. Constitution says about impeachment, its history, the intent of the framers, particularly the history of the phrase ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ and the two key points the framers intended by using that phrase. In terms of damage to the government/state, it would appear that not only BO, but most of the Congressional Ds should be impeached.

Excerpt: “Two points emerge from the 400 years of English parliamentary experience with the phrase “high Crimea and Misdemeanors. First, the particular allegations of misconduct alleged damage to the state in such forms as misapplication of funds, abuse of official power, neglect of duty, encroachment on Parliament’s prerogatives, corruption, and betrayal of trust. Second, the phrase “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” was confined to parliamentary impeachments; it had no roots in the ordinary criminal law, and the particular allegations of misconduct under that heading were not necessarily limited to common law or statutory derelictions or crimes.”

Oh, and if I could sit down with Congress (not just the Ds), I would tell them we need to enact legislation allowing a nationwide recall election to remove any official elected or nominated to federal office (POTUS, Cabinet, Congress, Supreme Court) who has committed crimes against the Constitution and people of the United States.

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:06 pm

News Update….

Dems snare 60 votes to move ahead on health care

WASHINGTON – Democratic leaders secured the last two votes to move ahead on historic health care legislation, clearing the way for a Saturday night showdown on President Barack Obama’s top domestic initiative.

In long-awaited speeches, centrist Sens. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas and Mary Landrieu of Louisiana said they would stand with their party and vote “yes” on the crucial test vote despite deep reservations with elements of the 2,074-page bill to remake the nation’s health care system.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091121/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul;_ylt=AnfmChWjNEZNPLb9YuQay36s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTM1dGhvOHVnBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTIxL3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX292ZXJoYXVsBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDZGVtc3NuYXJlNjB2

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CJK 11.21.09 at 3:17 pm

goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:06 pm

Mary Landrieu and Blanche Lincoln — two women I’ve now added to the sycophantic BO supporter list. I will do everything I possibly can to ensure they are not re-elected. This legislation is a trainwreck for American healthcare, particularly for American women’s healthcare/lives, American seniors’ healthcare/lives and for the American economy. A vote to advance the bill is tantamount to voting for the bill! Those who ignore the will of the American people on this issue do not deserve re-election — including the women who are effectively voting to ration women’s and seniors’ healthcare. Congress is steadfastly refusing any language that would have Congress itself be covered by this legislation (giving up their Federal Employee Health Benefits, paid for in largest part by the American people!). This is just wrong. This legislation needs to be scrapped, and true reform built from the local/state level up.

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:18 pm

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CJK 11.21.09 at 3:19 pm

Can we initiate impeachment proceedings against POTUS and Congress now?!

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:21 pm

CJK,

I agree. I’ve been reading to understand what happens once the senate bill starts thru the debate process.

Did you know that any changes or amendments to the Senate bill have to have a majority vote… 60 of them have to agree to the changes or amendments. How likely do you think that is going to happen? This bill will be argued and debated but the likelihood of any revisions or amendments passing is extremely unlikely.

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:22 pm

CJK,

We the people can not impeach anyone, it has to start in Congress, they aren’t going to do that.

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Dragonfly 11.21.09 at 3:23 pm

fl barbara 62

you’re kidding? sick.

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CJK 11.21.09 at 3:26 pm

goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:22 pm

It actually begins in the House, with the proceedings then in the Senate. If millions of American citizens begin to agitate for impeachment, it can happen. It can start by writing in huge numbers to members of Congress who’ve been trying to stand strong against Obamacrat absolutism.

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Silence Dogood 11.21.09 at 3:29 pm

When will they support their constituents and stop being bought off by Pelosi, Reid, Obama, special interests, and the thug groups like ACORN and the SEIU?

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CJK 11.21.09 at 3:29 pm

Good grief, Congress initiated impeachment proceedings against Nixon and WJC for mere allegations far less damaging than the ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ we already know BO and the Obamacrats have and are committing against the government/state!!! One small example: look at the misappropriation of stimulus funds to BO’s election support organizations just for starters!

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CJK 11.21.09 at 3:32 pm

Also, the specific language (p. 432) in the Senate hc bill that applies only to the state of Louisiana, awarding/rewarding Landrieu’s state $100 million and exempting the state from the medicaid requirements the bill applies to all other states has to be somehow unconstitutional. Where is the outcry of outrage from the other state governors on this?

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Dragonfly 11.21.09 at 3:32 pm

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CJK 11.21.09 at 3:37 pm

goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:21 pm
“Did you know that any changes or amendments to the Senate bill have to have a majority vote… 60 of them have to agree to the changes or amendments. How likely do you think that is going to happen? This bill will be argued and debated but the likelihood of any revisions or amendments passing is extremely unlikely.”

That was my point exactly in #66:
A vote to advance the bill is tantamount to voting for the bill!

So, Landrieu and Lincoln are essentially voting for this bill. They’ve sold out the American people, their healthcare, the American economy for their pieces of silver and a pat on the head from BO and the Obamacrates (who will ultimately throw them under the bus just like they’ve done everyone else). I’m e-mailing these two again and again today. They’re condemning American women’s and seniors’ healthcare to being rationed by a faceless government bureaucracy, and condemning small businesses and the American economy to ruin.

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 3:38 pm

Jeezus I couldn’t be more pissed if the Rebublicans pulled this shit.

No votes from me no dem gets a vote…woman child or god!
All the mail they send goes unopened into the trash! They do not even get recycled! Garbage in garbage out!

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:39 pm

CJK,

#74 – I understand your point… but it still comes back to somebody starting the process for Impeachment. Frankly, it wouldn’t have wide support in either party, they all have their hands in the public tax dollar cookie jar. Dispite however much the GOP cries and moans about it, they won’t do anything. They are just as at fault, so again, why do you think any of the congresscritters would open themselves up to the possibility of facing the same alligations being leveled against them.

Why should we think the corrupt will police themselves. The only time that happens is when they come up for reelection and they can use it as a platform to get re-elected.

At this point all we can do is change the political landscape in DC by voting them out! Then maybe just maybe those that are left in DC will see that they do have to answer to the public.

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:46 pm

HP Boston,

#78 – In some ways the Repubs did pull this sh*t. Did you see anybody in the Repub party actively working to dissuade any Dem politician from supporting this?

Sure they went on talk shows and gave little newsbites but did any of them sit down with the Dem Senators and discuss the issues. Nope, they sat on their flipping hands and made attack statements.

Both parties are at fault… the only difference is that the GOP can say they didn’t vote for it. They also, didn’t do anything to stop it either.

Both parties suck!

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:46 pm

HP Boston,

#78 – In some ways the Repubs did pull this sh*t. Did you see anybody in the Repub party actively working to dissuade any Dem politician from supporting this?

Sure they went on talk shows and gave little newsbites but did any of them sit down with the Dem Senators and discuss the issues. Nope, they sat on their flipping hands and made attack statements.

Both parties are at fault… the only difference is that the GOP can say they didn’t vote for it. They also, didn’t do anything to stop it either.

Both parties suck!

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:47 pm

:oops: Don’t know how the double post happened. :oops:

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CJK 11.21.09 at 3:59 pm

Here’s the e-mail I sent to Landrieu and Lincoln:

“After the decision you announced today to vote to advance Sen. Reid’s HC legislation — a vote that, as you know, is tantamount to voting for the legislation — I have added you to my list of those members of Congress whom I will work tirelessly to unseat in the next election. [For Landrieu: The fact that you sold your vote for $100 million and special concessions to your state makes your decision even more reprehensible. For Lincoln: The fact that you sold your vote for the appearance of 'party unity' and obviously to try to obtain party leaders' support for your re-election makes your decision even more reprehensible.]

All of the so-called ‘healthcare reform’ legislation now before Congress represents a trainwreck for American healthcare, particularly for American women’s healthcare/lives, American seniors’ healthcare/lives and for the American economy, particularly for small businesses that are the lifeline of jobs creation and economic recovery.

All major, reputable polls indicate the majority of American citizens oppose the so-called ‘healthcare reform’ now before Congress. Those who ignore the will of the American people on this issue do not deserve re-election — particularly the women who are effectively voting to ration women’s and seniors’ healthcare and to ruin American healthcare (still the best in the world) and the American economy.

Moreover, Congress is steadfastly refusing any language that would have Congress itself be covered by this legislation (giving up Federal Employee Health Benefits, paid for in largest part by the American people!). If this legislation is so direly needed and so historic, why then does Congress not want it applied to its own membership?

This legislation is just plain wrong. It needs to be scrapped, and true healthcare reform built from the local/state level up. Thank you.”

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CJK 11.21.09 at 4:04 pm

goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:46 pm

Goofs, I’ve never been a fan of the Rs, but if you’ve watched Fox at all, you know that many Rs have been coming up with alternative reform plans, and trying to be heard in both the House and Senate. The Ds, under Pelosi and Reid dictatorship, have consistently frozen them out. They were locked out of conferences where both the House and Senate HC bills were being discussed and formulated.

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CJK 11.21.09 at 4:07 pm

goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:39 pm

I understand all you’re saying, but all it takes is one smart attorney backed by millions of outraged citizens to take the first steps.

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Deb55 11.21.09 at 4:09 pm

ZEE…for you

On the burning of people..WOMEN and CHILDREN ALIVE in the Church after Odinga (“O’”cousin) lost election..
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/01/01/kenya.elections/index.html

Here you can connect ALL the DOTS back to “O”..They back everything up..never reported in our news!!
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/senator-barack-obama-in-kenya-obama-and-odinga-the-true-story/

Now for the NEW story..”O” has achieved putting Odinga in Control of Kenya…have back story info..”O” threated to pull funding from Kenya if new constitution not written to give Odinga control as PM…Kenya President now has NO power..just a puppet!!!

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/692022/-/up89dk/-/index.html

“O” now has total control over Kenya’s politics..
Watch Sharia Law next step for all of Kenya!!

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stoney42 11.21.09 at 4:16 pm

I am beginning to think the Democratic Party is a lost cause. As long as Democrats in office (Congress, Governors, Mayors, etc.), continue to blindly follow BO and his regime, the party will decline. I believe more people will become independents and vote for the person and not the party.

Women – Wow, it is still an up-hill battle. All we can do is encourage more women to seek office, convience women to vote for women.

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CJK 11.21.09 at 4:19 pm

Just re-posting an excerpt from #64:
Re key points of the Constitution’s framers in using the phrase ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ as applied to impeachment:

“…alleged damage to the state in such forms as misapplication of funds, abuse of official power, neglect of duty, encroachment on Parliament’s prerogatives, corruption, and betrayal of trust.”

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 4:23 pm

goofsmom 11.21.09 at 3:47 pm

Don’t know how the double post happened.

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Okay Goofs your post was double on the mark!

I can not vote for any of these assholes….I can not even vote for Dem women running now, I am through! And the Repub party is just as bad so there is NO one to vote for, only against. I am against the Dems!

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 4:25 pm

CJK,

Yep, I do watch FOX news also. My point was that all the Repubs had to do is convince 1 or 2 of the Dems not to support and we wouldn’t be where we are today.

By proposing a different bill, that they knew would not be even entertained is a diversionary tactic. If they really wanted to stop this bill they would have figured out how to do something far more likely to succeed.

I don’t trust any politicians are working for the good of the people. The GOP are not potted plants and giving them a pass because they are the minority does not mean they are helpless.

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 4:35 pm

goofsmom 11.21.09 at 4:25 pm

CJK,

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Yup it was the same when the GOP was in the majority they did what ever the hell they pleased with nary a peep from the democraps….we railed agaist the repubs to no avail!!!And no help from the dems they cried and pissed and moaned and never did squat!

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CJK 11.21.09 at 4:37 pm

goofsmom 11.21.09 at 4:25 pm

Goofs, while I recognize that some Rs used the debate as a tactic to get media attention, I also saw that many were genuinely trying to be heard regarding viable alternatives, while also trying to convince Ds not to support the Obamacrats’ bills. You saw the D railroading that happened last year during the caucuses, primary, despicable RBC decision negating millions of votes, convention sham, etc. That’s D corruption (Chicago style) at its worst. Yes, the Rs are corrupt, too. But I’ve seen genuine efforts on the part of many Rs to stop the Obamacrats’ trainwreck so-called ‘healthcare reform.’ The Ds have thwarted these efforts. I’ve never in my life witnessed the Congressional process be so tyrannically controlled by one party (and yes, that includes the past 8 years). This D party, IMO, is no longer an American political party, but some sort of fascist cabal (Congressional junta?) that has committed a government takeover right under our noses and now rules with an iron hand. The Rs may not be ‘potted plants,’ but it seems they never even had a chance at initiating/sustaining any sort of intelligent, reasoned debate over this horrific legislation.

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Deb55 11.21.09 at 4:44 pm

SEIU threatens WOMEN Healthcare workers in Fresno CA..aren’t some of you here that way…. if they DID NOT vote for the SEIU..

SEIU workers open, handled, Marked and ALTERED voters ballots
SEIU used Threats of Reprisal and FORCE to intimidate voters

You must watch these brave women coming forward to report the strong arm of “O’s” SEIU….just like what happened to us, and they are fighting back!

The unions, which are part of the DNC’s voting block, are now totally run by THUGS!! And will support the “O” WH, at all cost.

http://www.nuhw.org/

Going back to the fundraiser…thinking of my answer and getting input from others on how to save the DNC…later

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CJK 11.21.09 at 4:45 pm

P.S. I also believe it’s time for a complete House and Senate cleaning. Vote’ em out, and push legislation setting term limits! IMO, Congress has become a corrupt bunch of ‘political aristocrats’ who believe they and their progeny are entitled to the seats they hold. I will work to unseat every member of Congress who voted for the Obamacrats’ hc legislation. At least, I believe that’s a good place to start. Many are up for re-election in 2010. Their vote for Obamacare is a vote against the American people, IMO. They’ve just handed in their Congressional resignations, IMO.

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HP Boston 11.21.09 at 4:50 pm

CJK 11.21.09 at 4:45 pm

Eggsactly!!!

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goofsmom 11.21.09 at 5:04 pm

HP Boston

#91 – my point exactly! ;)

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murphy 11.21.09 at 5:33 pm

Bulletin From Planet Dude posted,

take it upstairs!

(bring links please thank you)

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