obama in China, calls himself first Pacific president. Guess he forgot about Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon. Which is surprising since Reagan is one of his heroes. And Nixon was a Dick.
Speaking of which, isn’t it truly amazing how often obama likes to talk about, well, HIMSELF?
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theamericanway 11.16.09 at 8:35 am
Gotta love your humor Murphy.
Donation on the way.
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 8:52 am
dam Murphy, I can’t stand that picture, that is eggsactly how the obots in my area see him. Makes my skin crawl. gonna go shower.
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 8:57 am
Report: Health bill would reduce senior care
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33946165/ns/politics-washington_post/
A plan to slash more than $500 billion from future Medicare spending — one of the biggest sources of funding for President Obama’s proposed overhaul of the nation’s health-care system — would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.
–snip–
In the face of greatly increased demand for services, providers are likely to charge higher fees or take patients with better-paying private insurance over Medicaid recipients, “exacerbating existing access problems” in that program, according to the report from Richard S. Foster of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 8:59 am
CMS: House Health Bill will hike costs $289 Billion
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/67791-cms-house-health-bill-will-hike-costs-289b
Excerpt:
However, the CMS analysis clearly states that the House bill falls short in attaining a key goal of the Democrats’ effort to reform the nation’s healthcare system: “With the exception of the proposed reduction in Medicare… the provisions of H.R. 3962 would not have a significant impact on future healthcare cost growth rates.”
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 9:10 am
I made a post last week regarding the fact that Harry Reid plans to vote today on whether to bring the House health care bill (HR 3962) to the floor for consideration.
I’m trying to find news on that this morning to post here.
Meanwhile, I sent a list of the key senators (senators that are similar to the “blue dogs”) with their contact information to Murphy so that they could be posted in the Action Center. These are the senators that are wavering or on the fence. Right now, they’re saying that Reid has 57 votes to bring the bill to the floor (he needs 60). If you would like to contact them, please check the action center for their phone & fax numbers.
A tip I heard from a political savvy friend last week: don’t bother sending emails – most of them end up in their “junk email” folders and they don’t check those. Don’t know how true that is….I prefer to fax from my computer anyway.
theamericanway 11.16.09 at 9:42 am
NikkisMom; probably. The even ignore US Mail.
9:42 and today’s Rasmussen not yet posted. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
murphy 11.16.09 at 9:44 am
obama holds steady at -10 approval:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Notyoursweetie 11.16.09 at 9:48 am
Today in tabloids
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/today-in-nyc-tabloids/
2PumaSisters 11.16.09 at 9:50 am
Good morning Murphy & Pumas,
Just the sight of him and the sound of his voice
makes me sick.
bho thinks too much of himeself. Yuk, yuk, yuk!!
2PumaSisters 11.16.09 at 9:52 am
Sorry, shd b himself.
greenfun 11.16.09 at 10:10 am
Who’s to blame for Stupak? Vote Now! http://bit.ly/stupak
You can vote for Obama or Nancy Pelosi.
also Elizabeth Warren on the economy
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/546/index.html
murphy 11.16.09 at 10:19 am
thanks greenfun — voted and signed petition.
hiya 2pumasisters!
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 10:39 am
Thanks Greenfun,
Voted and signed.
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 10:44 am
Astronomy picture of the day….for a change of pace..
Very cool!
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap091116.html
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 10:49 am
Cops: School board chief apparently shot himself in head
Michael Scott, president of the Chicago Board of Education, apparently shot himself in the head along the banks of the Chicago River early this morning, police sources say.
Scott’s family had reported him missing on Sunday. Police used his cell phone to locate his body and his car behind the Chicago Apparel Center at 350 N. Orleans along the north branch of the river, police sources tell the Chicago Tribune.He apparently fell forward after shooting himself, and the gun was found near the body, the sources say.
Scott’s family, concerned about his whereabouts, had contacted police Sunday night, reporting he was missing.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/11/man-found-dead-near-merchandise-mart-downtown.html
word is the union had it out for him. We will see how they spin this one.
murphy 11.16.09 at 10:52 am
was just reading about that Prple — wow, the Chicago Way huh?
Social-Psyche 11.16.09 at 10:52 am
Just dropped in to post some `good` news, sort of, in the Woman Lynching forum, re. the Domestic Violence Manslaughter case of Amber Cummings in Maine:
Amber Cummings, charged with murdering her husband last December, has pleaded guilty to domestic violence manslaughter and will spend at most one year in prison. [snip] “He [James Cummings] had abused her for years. From the very beginning she had explained to police that she had been abused and was basically defending herself and her daughter.” [snip] Cummings told police that before his death her husband was plotting to build so-called dirty bombs and set them off during the inauguration of President Barack Obama. She said Cummings intended to bring her and their daughter along on his suicide attack.
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 10:54 am
murphy 11.16.09 at 10:52 am
was just reading about that Prple — wow, the Chicago Way huh?
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yeah, was it really suicide or a hit? hmmmmmmmmmm
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 11:09 am
Leonid meteor shower to peak Tuesday
(CNN) — This year’s Leonid meteor shower will peak early Tuesday, forecasters say, producing mild but pretty sparks over the United States and a more intense outburst over Asia.
“We’re predicting 20 to 30 meteors per hour over the Americas and as many as 200 to 300 per hour over Asia,” said Bill Cooke, of NASA’s meteoroid environment office. “Our forecast is in good accord with … work by other astronomers.”
The Leonid shower is made of bits of debris from the Tempel-Tuttle comet, which streaks through Earth’s inner solar system every 33 years.
It leaves a stream of debris in its wake. Forecasters, however, say it’s hard to know exactly how many of the meteors will be visible.
“We can predict when Earth will cross a debris stream with pretty good accuracy,” Cooke said. “The intensity of the display is less certain, though, because we don’t know how much debris is in each stream.”
The first stream will cross over Earth about 4 a.m. ET. That stream should produce about two or three dozen meteors per hour over North America, NASA said.
Experts say people who want to watch the shower, which is visible with the naked eye, should get as far away from city lights as possible. The darker the sky, the brighter the meteors will appear.
High-altitude sites are best for viewing, reducing glare from the moon, and there’s no particular direction one should look for the best shot at seeing one, they say.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/11/16/nasa.leonid.meteors/index.html
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 11:10 am
Nancy Pelosi on c-span this morning talking at the Harvard University Institute of Govenrnment talking about women and what they need to do to succeed in politics and how she governs differently because she is a woman. How women are about fairness and seeking truth. She also mentions that the original hate crimes bill included women and the opposition refused to pass the bill unless the women protection was removed. She talked about how the future plan is to work on DOMA. DODT, etc. but nothing about adding women back into the hate crimes bill. Students ask her questions at the end and most were about the HC bill and the Stupak amendment.
Here is the link for the live show that is almost over. I’ll post the link for the entire replay later when c-span posts it.
http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 11:12 am
oops the ANancy Pelosi interview just ended. I’ll look for the replay video.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 11:21 am
Here is the video of the inteview with Pelosi about the House Democratic Agenda.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/id/215377
murphy 11.16.09 at 11:25 am
Junior and her friends are planning a middle of the night picnic to watch tonight Dances — doesnt that sound romantic!? ahh, youth,
it’s wasted on those who dont cherish sleep.
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 11:30 am
Murphy,
Oh! Excellent !!!
Good for them!
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 11:32 am
She also mentions that the original hate crimes bill included women and the opposition refused to pass the bill unless the women protection was removed.
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Dems steamrolled reps for teh HC bill … is she saying she couldn’t do the same to include women in the hate crimes bill?
‘bastid’
murphy 11.16.09 at 12:03 pm
thanks BCL — great find, and link!
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 12:07 pm
You’re welcom, I only caught the last 10 minutes on c-span so I wanted to find the video to listen to the entire interview, too. I found some of the things she said in the 10 minutes I watched earlier that were unbelievable.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 12:07 pm
You’re welcom, I only caught the last 10 minutes on c-span so I wanted to find the video to listen to the entire interview, too. I found some of the things she said in the 10 minutes I watched earlier that were unbelievable.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 12:09 pm
Submit button on the blog working wonky today. It either takes a long, long time to post or it does a double post.
HP Boston 11.16.09 at 12:14 pm
I recieved a reply to all my emails to Niki Tsongas the rep in my district…..the usual long bullshit HC reform yada da …
I said:
What a load of crap! This bill is the worst! Why don’t you read it, there is no reform or savings, a rip-off for Insurance Co and a government take over of my privacy.
YOU go on this reform HC…if you were to you would run screaming against it!!
I will work to vote against ALL Democrats you have sold us out and so we will vote you out!
You work for Obama and Obamacare not for any of the citizens who will vote you out of office.
Throw the bums out is a cry I hear and yell all across America!!
I was disgusted with your actions and the lies when I attended the town hall in Chelmsford, SHAME ON YOU!!!!
Disgusted voter,
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 12:54 pm
Pelosi kisses Obama’s butt in the beginning of that video and kisses his butt at the end, and in between she talks about empowering women. Puke.
scarlet 11.16.09 at 1:03 pm
LEGISLATION
Recent Senate Votes
Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 – Vote Passed (98-0, 2 Not Voting)
The Senate passed this bill that would extend unemployment benefits in states with a jobless rate over 8.5% and tax credits for some homebuyers and businesses. The bill was sent back to the House for final approval.
Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2010 – Vote Passed (71-28, 1 Not Voting)
The Senate completed its work on this $64.9 billion legislation funding the Justice Department, Commerce Department, National Science Foundation and related agencies and programs. The House and Senate will now go to conference to work out differences between their versions of the bill.
Recent House Votes
Expedited CARD Reform for Consumers Act of 2009 – Vote Passed (331-92, 9 Not Voting)
The House passed this bill that would move the date credit card companies would have to comply with new credit card regulations from February 22, 2010 to December 1, 2009. The Senate has a similar bill, though it is unclear whether it will take action on either bill.
Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 – Vote Passed (403-12, 18 Not Voting)
The House gave final approval to this bill extending unemployment benefits and tax credits for some homebuyers and businesses, sending it to the President. The President signed it on Friday.
Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Act of 2009 – Vote Passed (230-193, 11 Not Voting)
The House passed this bill intended to bolster security at chemical plants. It now goes to the Senate.
Upcoming Votes
Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act, 2010 – H.R.3082
The Senate is scheduled to start work on this $133.9 billion bill funding military construction projects and the Department of Veterans Affairs.
(source: email from congress.org)
Middle age female 11.16.09 at 1:04 pm
Gee – I wonder why Obama wants the Gitmo detainees sent to ILL, outside Chicago?
scarlet 11.16.09 at 1:07 pm
INDIVIDUAL CARBON ALLOWANCES
Everyone in Britain could be given a personal ‘carbon allowance’
Lord Smith of Finsbury believes that implementing individual carbon allowances for every person will be the most effective way of meeting the targets for cutting greenhouse gas emissions.
It would involve people being issued with a unique number which they would hand over when purchasing products that contribute to their carbon footprint, such as fuel, airline tickets and electricity.
Like with a bank account, a statement would be sent out each month to help people keep track of what they are using.
If their “carbon account” hits zero, they would have to pay to get more credits.
Those who are frugal with their carbon usage will be able to sell their unused credits and make a profit.
Lord Smith will call for the scheme to be part of a “Green New Deal” to be introduced within 20 years when he addresses the agency’s annual conference on Monday.
An Environment Agency spokesman said only those with “extravagant lifestyles” would be affected by the carbon allowances.
He said: “A lot of people who cycle will get money back. It will probably only be bankers and those with extravagant lifestyles who would lose out.”
However, some have criticised the move as “Orwellian” and say it will have a detrimental impact on business.
Ruth Lea, an economist from Arbuthnot Banking Group, told the Daily Mail: “This is all about control of the individual and you begin to wonder whether this is what the green agenda has always been about. It’s Orwellian. This will be an enormous tax on business.”
Under the Climate Change Act, Britain is obliged to cut its emissions by 80 per cent on 1990 levels by 2050. This means annual CO2 emissions per person will have to fall from about 9 tonnes to only 2 tonnes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/carbon/6527970/Everyone-in-Britain-could-be-given-a-personal-carbon-allowance.html?state=target#postacomment&postingId=6564108
sistermoon3 11.16.09 at 1:27 pm
they found little shania davis’ body in some woods in Sanford, NC
I really thought maybe they would find her alive, but no. This is such a cruel, hateful thing for all involved. Why do our children suffer such atrosities? I just cant stand it.
about 25 miles from here, the place where she was last seen on video at a hotel there
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 1:30 pm
scarlet 11.16.09 at 1:07 pm
INDIVIDUAL CARBON ALLOWANCES
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I’m all for living green and don’t know alot about carbon allotments, but this sounds like the rationing in WWII.
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 1:44 pm
Why do adults perpetrate these atrocities on children?
and what kind of adults…
Police: Search is on for N.C. girl’s body
By Gabriel Falcon, CNN
(CNN) — About 200 people were searching Monday in North Carolina for the body of a missing 5-year-old girl after “reliable information” indicated that she may be dead, Fayetteville, North Carolina, police said.
The search focused on land near a roadway because “reliable information received that the body of Shaniya Davis may have been dumped there,” the Fayetteville Police Department said in a statement.
CNN affiliate WTVD-TV in Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina, is reporting that authorities have found the child’s body south of Sanford.
Investigators have been searching for Shaniya for several days.
Police charged the girl’s mother, Antoinette Nicole Davis, with trafficking and other offenses, authorities said. Davis was “prostituting her child,” said Fayetteville police spokeswoman Theresa Chance.
Other charges against the mother include felony child abuse, prostitution and filing a false police report, according to the Fayetteville Police Department.
The mother told police last week that the child vanished from their mobile home in Fayetteville.
Hotel surveillance video taken around the same time Shaniya was reported missing shows the girl with a man identified as Mario Andrette McNeill. He has been charged with first-degree kidnapping.
cnn.com
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 1:44 pm
sistermoon3 11.16.09 at 1:27 pm
I really thought maybe they would find her alive, but no. This is such a cruel, hateful thing for all involved. Why do our children suffer such atrosities? I just cant stand it.
they found little shania davis’ body in some woods in Sanford, NC
about 25 miles from here, the place where she was last seen on video at a hotel there
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I am really saddened to hear that. She was a beautiful child.
They can’t hurt her any more. May you rest in peace Shania.
and may your mother and whoever helped her rot in hell.
FLBarbara 11.16.09 at 1:53 pm
I haven’t been following the Reader of the free world’s trip. I know he is busy bowing to everyone he meets but was wondering has he apologized to Japan yet?
I know it’s coming how American acted “stupidly” and he was the only Senator who voted against Hiroshima so as a token of our sincerity Michelle will plant them a lovely Argulla garden and give the women Hula hoop lessons.Eat healthy and exercise so you won’t need health care..
How amazing the likeness Obama and his little lamb BO.
Good day all.
RememberNovember 11.16.09 at 1:56 pm
((NikkisMom)) #3, #4 and #5
Thank you for your vigilance re Health Care Reform –
Senior Pumas beware – contact your Senators – ask them to do what is right not just pass ‘anything’ to ensure that BO gets to put it on his resume for his first year in office
Do you think that once passed this could ever be repealed?
Rasmussen and AP polls suggest that people are becoming resigned to the current legislative plans. While it is the number one issue for Dems apparently it is only the number 4 issue for Repubs
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 1:57 pm
I want to invite all Puma’s to listen in tonight.
“Sins of Omission” Radio Show with Host Paulie Abeles
Type:
Music/Arts – Performance
Network:
Global
Date:
Monday, November 16, 2009
Time:
9:00pm – 10:00pm
Location:
GUEST: DR. LYNETTE LONG
Street:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nqr
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 1:59 pm
Here is a description of the show tonight with Dr. Long
WHERE ARE THE WOMEN? Women are everywhere in our society–comprising more than 51% of the population. And representations of women are everywhere used to promote and advertise items from cola to underwear to the American consumer.
But, critics claim, images of women still don’t appear where it makes a difference—on money, on statues, on the means we use to celebrate our achievements and history.
Do women deserve a place on the pedestal beside warriors and presidents in American iconography? Does it really matter?
Renowned psychologist and bestselling author, Dr. Lynette Long will talk about the insidious effect of not celebrating female achievement in our culture.
RememberNovember 11.16.09 at 2:07 pm
Thanks for the link Prplvette85 – re- Lynette Long – she has resurfaced? She seemed to be involved in the NOW election coverage but otherwise has been very quiet in the areas that I look, at least.
RememberNovember 11.16.09 at 2:07 pm
From Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform
[Health Care Reform
Support for Congressional Health Care Proposal Up to 47%, 49% Opposed
snip ....
But most fear that the plan might encourage companies to drop coverage for employees and shift their workers on to the government health care plan. A plurality of Democrats believe this would be good for workers, but most Republicans and unaffiliated voters disagree. As Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports, wrote in the Wall Street Journal: “The most important fundamental is that 68% of American voters have health insurance coverage they rate good or excellent. … Most of these voters approach the health care reform debate fearing that they have more to lose than to gain.”]
HP Boston 11.16.09 at 2:18 pm
FLBarbara 11.16.09 at 1:53 pm
Hi there FlBarb….
you funny Puma. Obie is such a stupidprick!
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 2:32 pm
RememberNovember 11.16.09 at 2:07 pm
Thanks for the link Prplvette85 – re- Lynette Long – she has resurfaced? She seemed to be involved in the NOW election coverage but otherwise has been very quiet in the areas that I look, at least.
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Not sure, but like the rest of us, the last election must have taken a toll on her. Maybe she has been writing a new book?
We will find out tonight!
Puma-SF 11.16.09 at 2:39 pm
Hillary Clinton vs Sarah Palin:
http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/11/16/hillary-clinton-versus-sarah-palin/
Murphy, you’ve got mail.
murphy 11.16.09 at 2:54 pm
thanks for the link Puma-SF
you have mail too!
FLBarbara 11.16.09 at 3:04 pm
Hey HP Boston
On my way out but trying to figure out this HC penalty.
If I as an American citizen do not have health care I pay a fine and go to prison? Do I go to prison once a year???
And for how long?
However if I am an illegal alien I am not fined and I do not go to prison even though I have committed a crime by virtue of my being in the US illegally?.
So am I right in saying I as a US citizen will be considered a criminal for not having health care?
But the illegal is not a criminal and pays no fines or jail time and still receives free health care?
Do I have this right and if so how do I become an illegal alien?
This can’t be right?
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 3:11 pm
Further comment by the Hillaryis44 admin under the article about Hillary vs Palin. Holy shit batman!
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Scott-Linked-to-Several-70184157.html
Michael Scott’s suicide marks the third suicide among prominent public officials in the last two years – and each of the men were being investigated by authorities or already convicted of wrongdoing.
Scott, former Balgojevich aide Chris Kelly and former Stroger aide Orlando Jones all died by their own hand.
Scott, who was found with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound Monday morning, was a mover and shaker in Chicago politics and a prominent member of the African-American community here.
Earlier this year, Scott was scrutinized over Olympics-related real estate dealings.
A key member of Mayor Daley’s Olympic committee, Scott also served as a consultant to a major condominium developer who proposed to build near the Olympic Village site.
Earlier this summer, Scott moved to sever his ties to another developer after the Tribune revealed his plans to build a retail and housing project near the proposed Olympic cycling venue on the West Side.
Scott’s business dealings led residents to suspect that Mayor Daley’s friends would profit the most from the proposed 2016 Olympic games, which of course Chicago failed to win.
Also recently, Scott made news when he was subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury looking into the admissions practices of Chicago’s elite schools.
Asked at the time whether he was aware of students being unfairly “clouted” into elite schools, Scott said he had no comment, but looked forward to answering any questions.
If Scott did indeed kill himself, he’s the second prominent public official with ties to development contracts to commit suicide in recent months.
Former Blagojevich aide Chris Kelly plead guilty in September for participating in an O’Hare kickback scheme. Days later, Kelly overdosed on pain medication.
Kelly was originally indicted on tax charges related to gambling debts.
Kelly and Scott were preceded by Orlando Jones.
Jones, a 52-year-old godson of ex-County Board President John Stroger and former top Stroger aide, shot himself in the head after a business lunch in 2007.
Jones had been under criminal investigation for real estate dealings in Las Vegas. He was approached by FBI agents two days before his death, but declined to speak with them.
HP Boston 11.16.09 at 3:11 pm
I think the answer is when the 2010 census come we should all claim we are Illegals and we will be “home” free!
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 3:34 pm
CNN Poll: Most Americans say Palin not qualified to serve as President
Posted: November 16th, 2009 02:28 PM ET
From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser
CNN Poll: Most Americans say Palin not qualified to serve as President.
WASHINGTON (CNN) – Fewer than three in 10 Americans think Sarah Palin’s qualified to be president, according to a new national poll – the least of any of the five potential candidates included in the survey.
But another woman tops that list in the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday: two-thirds of the public thinks that Secretary of State HIllary Clinton’s qualified for the Oval Office. That’s more than Vice President Joe Biden, who’s currently next in line for the presidency.
According to the poll, 28 percent of Americans say Palin is qualified to run the White House, with seven in 10 saying the former Alaska governor and 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee is not qualified.
cnn.com
lorac 11.16.09 at 3:59 pm
I wish the poll would have asked how many people think that BO is qualified for the presidency.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 4:08 pm
Ophra saying at the beginning of her Palin interview that she did not have any candidates on her show during the election. Did she ever have Obama on her show?
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 4:18 pm
Palin is as qualified as dumbya bush 1 and Odumber bush 2
and HRC is more qualified than all three plus many others all together
michelina 11.16.09 at 4:25 pm
THEY FOUND SHANYIA: God HELP this world, why do they
KILL THESE CHILDREN:——MY heart breaks for this father.
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Authorities also charged Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, with kidnapping after they said surveillance footage from a Sanford hotel showed him carrying Shaniya there. Authorities said McNeill admitted taking the girl, though his attorney said he will plead not guilty.
Davis reported Shaniya missing Tuesday. Authorities first arrested a man named Clarence Coe, but charges against him were dropped a day later when investigators tracked down McNeill after receiving a tip from a hotel employee.
Additional information led investigators to a search site near Sanford on Sunday. They continued searching Monday, scouring miles of landscape, roads, ravines and fields on four-wheelers and with helicopters.
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After Shaniya’s body was found, a solemn group of searchers met quietly at a nearby fire station to ensure that all volunteers were accounted for.
“We were hoping that someone could carry her home,” said Syd Severe, 42, who came from Raleigh to help with the search. “It’s just sick.”
A cluster of emergency vehicles and law enforcement personnel gathered where Shaniya’s body was found, about a quarter mile from N.C. Highway 87. Authorities blocked access to the road, a rural area popular with hunters that is less than a mile from a large lakeside community.
Shaniya’s father, Bradley Lockhart, said he raised his daughter for several years but last month decided to let her stay with her mother. He had pleaded for her safe return.
“I should’ve never let her go over there,” he told The Associated Press on Saturday.
Before Shaniya’s body was found, he said on CBS’s “The Early Show” Monday that he remained hopeful someone would bring his daughter somewhere safe, such as a police station or hospital.
“They can drop her off at Walmart, I don’t care,” he said.
A man who answered the phone at the Lockhart home Monday afternoon declined to comment
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 4:30 pm
Dances,
#52 – Go Hillary go!!!
P.S. Read the rest of the CNN article on the poll. The other Repub. in the poll are Romney and Huckabee… Can’t believe they are still bouncing these guys names out there!
We want to get rid of “O” not have him for another 4 years and the Repub’s are thinking these 2 are the candidates to do it??? What the h*ll are they thinking????
If no one strong opposes “O”, like Hillary, we are screwed. Palin won’t be able to pull it off, that’s for darn sure!
Run Hillary run, for everyones sake!
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 4:30 pm
LOL – Joe Biden offers to help out while Obama’s out of the country (Saturday Night live).
“Obama will sign anything that’s a stack of papers and says “Healthcare” on it”.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/109038/saturday-night-live-biden-cold-open
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 4:34 pm
#57 Oops… that should be – I read – not just the word Read
NewOrleansPuma 11.16.09 at 4:37 pm
Senn Liebermann’s and Sen Collins’ press release re their plan and response to Obama re hearings they will begin Nov 19 into the murder of American soldiers at Ft Hood
http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Press.MajorityNews&ContentRecord_id=f4f251a5-5056-8059-76dd-35946cab3b36
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 4:42 pm
You know, I sincerely hope Palin doesn’t run in 2012 – she’s simply not qualified and demonstrates a bit of an immature character by continuing to address each each and every attack aimed at her. Sorry, Palin is not someone that I think is qualified. BUT, I still think these kinds of attacks – especially by such prominent places, are disgusting and mysoginistic and these jerks need to cease & desist.
Al Gore’s Current TV calls Palin a “Gun-Ho” and a “TWILF”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/15/al-gores-current-tv-bashes-limbaugh-beck-palin-fox-news
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 4:45 pm
#60 – NOP – Great! Go Lieberman & Collins! Take THAT, Obammy!
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 4:51 pm
#40 – RemNov – I’m worried that they (congress) are wearing the people down and the people are becoming resigned to just accepting whatever shit they pass. I hope that’s not the case, but the Rasmussen poll does show that.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 4:53 pm
Ophra is actually asking Palin how did she tinnk she could handle the job as vice president with 5 kids. She says she knows that is a question that would never be asked of a man, but how would Palin handle the job. When Palin said that she would handle it the same as a man would. Ophra says with voice raised, ‘but they have wives’. Geez!
Susie1945 11.16.09 at 4:55 pm
NikkisMom – sarah palin is a hellofalot more qualified than the current fraud in chief – what the hell do you want? Name what your requirements are for a woman to run for president – any woman (besides Pelosi) could do a better job than the current fraud……………I’m getting mighty damm tired of people (especially women) saying Palin is not qualified – like I said – what do you require in a woman in order for her to run for President??
just curious……………I’d vote for her in a NY minute -how’s that??
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 4:58 pm
This is the Crisis – Not Fricken Health Care!
The numbers used in this story are from 2008, does not include this year’s numbers.
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14 percent of Americans short of food;
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – More than 49 million Americans — one in seven — struggle to get enough to eat, the highest total in 14 years of a federal survey on “food insecurity,” the U.S. government said on Monday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE5AF42220091116
CJK 11.16.09 at 4:58 pm
greenfun 11.16.09 at 10:10 am
Who’s to blame for Stupak? Vote Now! http://bit.ly/stupak
You can vote for Obama or Nancy Pelosi.
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Reposting from upthread. Voted. Signed. You can also vote for ‘all of the above.’ You can also edit the e-mail.
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P.S. Why no prowl re the sexist/misogynistic Newsweek cover and article? Why no prowl re the bogus CNN poll re whether SP’s ‘qualified’ to be POTUS? (As freakin’ if BO ever was, is or could be! The Fraud has done NOTHING besides run for office, including now!) Why no prowl against this trainwreck of a hc bill being ramrodded through Congress by selling out women’s right to privacy and surreptitiously overturning Roe v Wade? Who gives a crap about polls. This hc bill will be a disaster for the American economy and American women. There endeth the rant…
HP Boston 11.16.09 at 4:58 pm
Susie1945 11.16.09 at 4:55 pm
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Mee too…wtf who the hell say Huklabee or Romaney is any better not at all!!!
HP Boston 11.16.09 at 5:02 pm
CJK 11.16.09 at 4:58 pm
YUP! This HC fiasco is an Obama nightmare wish he was just a goat and we could milk him!
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 5:03 pm
Did anyone bite their tongues and turn on Oprah to see Ssrah?
Oprah asked the most old school sexist question: How could you be President with 5 kids?
And even worse, after Sarah said she’d handle it just like the men would Oprah went on to say “But they have wives”
I cannot believe that! Well Sarah has a husband you jackass! OPRAH=SEXISM.Back to boycotting her now!
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 5:06 pm
To clarify my point in #57.
The reason Palin would have great difficulty defeating “O” is because he will at that point have a veneer of experience. Please note I didn’t say he would have experience just that sugar coating.
So therefore someone needs to run that has some experience. IMHO – Hillary would be able to beat him. None of the people that the Repubs are trial ballooning right now will be able to pull the independent votes away from “O” as well as HRC.
Again this is my opinion only. Palin seems like a very nice down to earth person, however we are not the only ones voting and we want to defeat “O”.
tec1965 11.16.09 at 5:08 pm
i cant beleive some folks here claiming she is not qualified
bullshit she was tapped to be vp and the press did a hatchet job on her to hear so many left wing nutjobs calling her a beauty queen and an idiot pisses me off she is a very smart and capable woman who ran the state of alaska and to see some of the same discrimination here that i see on these shit left wing blogs makes me sick why do you think she is unqualified !!! obviously you bought the same misgynist hack jobs you stand against
every one who goes into the job has to learn the ropes why would she be any different do you think she was qualified to be vp ?
i hate to say it but i have more respect for her than i do for hillary since she sold us all out by giving up the fight in denver
now i dont know if sarah palin could win the white hpouse but thats not the point i am trying to make i just hate to see her being labeled as not qualified seemingly just because she is a woman espescially here
murphy 11.16.09 at 5:08 pm
That’s what wives “jobs” are BCL, to raise the family and free the man to pursue a career unencumbered. Just ask Michelle.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 5:10 pm
tech1965,
I didn’t say Palin wasn’t qualified because she was a woman.
murphy 11.16.09 at 5:11 pm
how qualified was Mike Huckabee? No one ever made a big deal out of his “qualifications.”
He was the governor of ARKANSAS for three years for crying out loud.
No offense to Arkansas, but.
murphy 11.16.09 at 5:12 pm
goofs, why, specifically do you think she is unqualified? And are your standards relative? i.e. Did you know how “unqualified” Mike Huckabee is?
Susie1945 11.16.09 at 5:14 pm
I can’t watch Sarah on the orca’s show ‘cuz I BLOCKED CBS back when we prowled david littleweaselman’s show – don’t remember what code I put in – tried to put in another one to unlock – didn’t work – instruction book says I will need to get a qualified technician to come & remove lock – someday maybe – don’t watch anything on that channel & am sure that sarah’s interview will be all over the net…….. msnbc is also blocked – don’t miss that either
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 5:15 pm
BCL, Sorry didn’t see your post before mine. I really can’t believe she said that.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 5:15 pm
Glad someone else picked up on it too.
catsrlove 11.16.09 at 5:15 pm
Hi Murphy and all, Haven’t been on the board for awhile, and wanted to check and see what’s going on. It’s all bad, isn’t it?
Happened to walk by my husband’s TV (I never watch what he does),and there was that little worm that impregnated Sarah Palin’s daughter on TV AGAIN. He is a piece of scum, and I think Sarah should file a restraining order to have him gaged unless he can show any proof of any of his accusations about the Palins.
He should be glad it wasn’t my daughter. I would have taken him to the deepest part of Alaska and left him there. Then he could find out how good his survival skills are.
I can not watch the news anymore. If I see that “bo bo’s” face , I get ill. I think about all of the things our Hillary could be doing as President. I didn’t want her to take that job in that phonies administration. She would have been one of the most important Senators we have. I know she must have had a good reason, but I can’t figure it out.
I see where LaRosa and those other nuts had their way and got Lou Dodds off CNN. He was the only one who fought against all the illegal immigration in this Country. Now I suppose they will all be given immediate citizenship. I can see CNN’s ratings going down the drain, and I love it.
Take care, and be safe.
NewOrleansPuma 11.16.09 at 5:18 pm
http://www.grants.gov/search/search.do;jsessionid=TrhpLBKMwcrzHqTXqG1cXSnckLdxzG7f101xCMPD2PqMtDkVKMhl!-1163459943?mode=VIEWREVISIONS&revNum=0
Well if this does not burn you then ..??
Grant Initiative from Barack et al …providing a total of 1 400 000 to develop iniatives for women particpation in civic engagement as well as youth entreprenure training…
Oh..sorry…don’t get excited this is money to be spent in..
ready? Saudi Arabia!!!
grants.gov is most fascinating since the Messiah arrived…
Please note when grant announcements allow only a month or two for submissions…this means…the grantor already knows who will get it…
Morevover please note the nature of organizations who can bid..
very important also…
Time spent reviewing various grants etc since the Master arrived is definitely worth doing.
Moreover the synopsis re this particular set of initatives must not be missed…This sucker really does see himself as savior of all…
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 5:21 pm
Hi Murphy,
I’m thinking strategically. After “O” and his fiasco’s, how many are going to want to vote for a “relative” new comer. That’s all, once bitten twice shy.
I think this will impact anyone running in the Presidential elections in 2012, not just Palin, everyone.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 5:22 pm
catsrlove
I agree with everything you said, especially the part about sees his face.
tec1965 11.16.09 at 5:26 pm
not refering to any one post goofsmom just noticed a patten and wondered why people think she is not qualified
she was subjected to the worst (or one of the worst )hatchet jobs by the scfp ans snl and just about every left leaning media that gave an appearence of her not being qualified and i for one just dont buy it she rose to the ranks of governing a stste and doing a fairly good job of it and i totaly respect the fact that she tool all that shit doled out to her and she still holds her head up and has not given up on this country and still strives to make it a better place
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 5:30 pm
Susie #65 – I never said Obama was qualified either. Just because she’s a woman, does not mean that she’s qualified. Just because I’m a woman, doesn’t mean I’m qualified. Just because Obama was African American didn’t mean he was qualified either. I care more about the country than the gender of who is running for president.
As I said before, she’s too immature. Matter of fact, she’s just as “thin-skinned” as Obama. Someone of presidential material, a leader, does not get down & dirty with the school kids that are attacking them – they rise above and stay on message.
“any woman (besides Pelosi) could do a better job than the current fraud”. You’re kidding right? Would you want the woman that just trafficked her daughter to run for president?
I’ll vote for *anyone* OTHER than Obama next time, provided that they’re not WORSE than Obama – and I can’t imagine anyone worse. I’ve tried to avoid this conversation about not believing Palin is qualified, but the fact of the matter is, if she believes she has enough support, she will run. And if she runs, she will lose because not all women belive she is qualified just “because she’s a woman” and we will be in for another 4 years of Obama.
Give us Hillary – she’ll win.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 5:32 pm
tec1965,
I too respect Palin for all the things you stated in #84.
I was just saying that the all the Candidates the Repubs are floating trial balloons for will and would have a tough time defeating the “O” machine. Palin, Huckabee, Jindal and Pawlenty re: experience… Romney because of HC program problems in MA, being a Morman, and a plethora of other items.
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 5:34 pm
P.S. – when I say “unqualified”, I’m not talking about her education level, familiarity with govt., etc. I’m talking about her emotional maturity level, etc. Anyone can read a book and learn the ropes of govt., but not how to suppress your personal defense mechanisms at every charge and keep governing.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 5:39 pm
I hate when people say she’s not qualified, especially obots. If she’s not qualified how is Obama? When he was senator he didn’t do a damned thing at least Sarah passed some bills and ethic reform and set up an energy cabinet… She has actually done something. So how on earth she is less qualified than Obama is beyond me.
NewOrleansPuma 11.16.09 at 5:40 pm
Total amount of Savior’s funding here is of course chump change but it is chump change being given back to his chumps probably as a little extra over what they sent to him for campaign…
President of US? Oh now…Messiah for the world…absolutely..
and to talk about civic engagement for women in of all places Saudi Arabi??? really really outrageous….
Susie1945 11.16.09 at 5:40 pm
Well Nikkismom – that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it – I don’t agree and that’s my opinion to which I am entitled – I will not vote for a male again for president so unless Hillary or Sarah runs in 2012 – I won’t be able to bitch about the prez cuz I didn’t vote for him – also, just for the hell of it – try to find Palin’s acceptance speech at the repub convention in St. Paul and then talk about her immaturity, etc. – what a feeble excuse……………… she graduated from College & her grades are available – you sound like an obot to me……………. MY OPINION AGAIN…………….free speech – feel free but bash somewhere else…………….
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 5:45 pm
Oh..sorry…don’t get excited this is money to be spent in..
ready? Saudi Arabia!!!
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One of the richest countries on the planet.
Like they need our money.
This dumbfluck has got.to.go.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 5:46 pm
shouldvevotedforhillary,
#88 – She would not be less qualified than “O” when he ran.
When he runs again, he can talk about all the experience he has garnered being President. He will be able to compare that to her 3 years experience as Gov. and her next 3.5 years of experience after she resigned her Governership doing ?
I don’t like having to bring these things up, but this will be what she will have to face if she runs for 2012. This is the reality.
HRC is out garnering political clout and worldwide political experience. Give me Hillary!
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 5:46 pm
Oh yeah…
dumya all-hat-no-cattle was all about emotional maturity… sorta the same way oblow is.
tec1965 11.16.09 at 5:49 pm
agreed hillary is gaining much clout but will she run against obama ? isnt he automatically the nominee??
Susie1945 11.16.09 at 5:51 pm
I’m still waiting for someone to tell me what qualifications they want in order for a woman to run for prez???????????????????????????????????????????
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 5:52 pm
catsrlove
Hi, how are you feeling. Oprah (there I finally spelled it right) kept badgering Palin until she issued an open invitation to Levi to come to Thanksgiving dinner.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 5:53 pm
I don’t think she needs more experience because Obama had no experience when he ran and no accomplishments.
I do however believe that she needs to make accomplishments and lobby for legislation and different bills. Maybe she could be like an Al Gore and try to help with clean green energy without being a public official. So if she proves to accomplish things as just an ordinary citizen I believe public opinion will turn and it will boost her chances.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 5:53 pm
Susie1945,
If neither Hillary or Palin run, you wouldn’t vote for President.
I’d have to… I couldn’t let “O” continue on. Sigh… That’s my problem, I just don’t agree with his policies and would have to “Vote the bum out!”
tec1965 11.16.09 at 5:53 pm
hi dances long time no see
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 5:54 pm
Susie, I didn’t attack you – why are you attacking me? If I’m entitled to my opinion, why does that make me an “Obot”? I didn’t call her names or insult her. Can you imagine a president that 49% of the country disagrees with, trying to address every perceived grievance against her? She wrote a frickin’ book about the damned wardrobe issues? Gimme a break!!
She gets called dumbya bush 1 by others on this forum and I say she’s unqualified and I’m the one who gets attacked?
Stick to the point. Speaking of “emotional maturity” … good grief!
tec1965 11.16.09 at 5:56 pm
anyone ?? could hillary run against him within the dem party or would she have to be an independant ??
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 5:56 pm
DWP – #93 – sorry, but I missed your point?
honora 11.16.09 at 5:56 pm
I can’t get the picture of that poor baby being carried by her murderer into the elevator out of my mind. She didn’t even look scared. She had no idea what her fate was, talk about lambs being let to the slaughter. I must admit the picture of the Obama with the lamb, gives me some comfort in that it does remind me of the real picture. God bless Shanlyn.
CJK 11.16.09 at 5:56 pm
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 5:06 pm
After the way HRC and WJC have campaigned for BO and supported BO in every manner possible, I sincerely doubt HRC has any intention of challenging BO for the 2012 nomination, as much as I would wish and pray for that to happen. Besides, as has been pointed out here many times, HRC is a D and not likely to buck the party. I’d love to see it, but, realistically, I just cannot believe it will happen. (On the other hand, Palin already has a track record for bucking the GOP party, and would be more likely to do so again, perhaps running as an independent or if drafted by a new party.) Remember, too, that HRC and WJC have seen/experienced every atrocity against democracy and the former D party that’s happened in these past two years as party insiders, not from the outside as PUMAs have. Clearly, they have made their peace with their compromise with BO and the Obamacrats. It pains me to say it, but they are obviously just as concerned/occupied with ensuring their own financial and/or political futures as the rest of the ‘political aristocrats.’ And I say that while retaining the huge admiration and respect I’ve always had for both of them. Perhaps they’ve just been overwhelmed by aging and appalling circumstances. I can certainly relate to that.
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 5:56 pm
P.S. Why no prowl re the sexist/misogynistic Newsweek cover and article? Why no prowl re the bogus CNN poll re whether SP’s ‘qualified’ to be POTUS? (As freakin’ if BO ever was, is or could be! The Fraud has done NOTHING besides run for office, including now!) Why no prowl against this trainwreck of a hc bill being ramrodded through Congress by selling out women’s right to privacy and surreptitiously overturning Roe v Wade? Who gives a crap about polls. This hc bill will be a disaster for the American economy and American women. There endeth the rant…
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Beginneth rant:
Why always bring things up that you want others to do? Not satisfied that we’re not doing enough for your liking? Do it yourself.
Begin by starting a new women’s party… complaining that others on this board are not on board with that idea should not be a deterrant for you… find people who are interested and do something about it, create something instead of expecting everyone else to satisfy your goals. Same with bumperstickers. Same with prowls.
It gets old… real fast.
Endth rant.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 5:57 pm
Also Palin has executive experience. Obama had 0 when he ran. So she knows how things run.
CJK 11.16.09 at 5:57 pm
Gotta go. BBL.
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 5:57 pm
BBL – when calmer winds prevail..
CJK 11.16.09 at 5:58 pm
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 5:56 pm
You’re absolutely correct.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 5:59 pm
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 5:34 pm
P.S. – when I say “unqualified”, I’m not talking about her education level, familiarity with govt., etc. I’m talking about her emotional maturity level, etc. Anyone can read a book and learn the ropes of govt., but not how to suppress your personal defense mechanisms at every charge and keep governing.
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She’s a woman who has 5 kids, a very supportive and independent husband, been mayor and governor, and attacks life with gusto, but does not play the usual political game. That all spells maturity to me.
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 6:00 pm
tec1965 11.16.09 at 5:53 pm
hi dances long time no see
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Hiya, Tec!
Good to see you!
Susie1945 11.16.09 at 6:00 pm
Have you read the book????? I haven’t received my copy yet? Do you believe everything the lame stream media says? They & the bots deliberately set out to ruin sarah palin the same way they ruined Hillary – I’m just telling you to do what we always do on this site – we research the facts and don’t repeat the obots mantra……….. no attack unless you want to think of it as that – your opinion – just said I was tired of the same ole shit being repeated over & over again about Sarah Palin……… also, if a man runs for prez in 2012 – I will need a really, really, really good reason to vote for him…… no more male votes for me – vote for women & vote the bums out…
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 6:02 pm
Soooo… here it starts.. a new “government task force” telling women to forget everything we have heard about mammograms and self breast exams. Getting involved in our healthcare and telling us about our own bodies…
New advice: Skip mammograms in 40s, start at 50
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091116/ap_on_he_me/us_med_mammogram_advice
NEW YORK – Most women don’t need a mammogram in their 40s and should get one every two years starting at 50, a government task force said Monday. It’s a major reversal that conflicts with the American Cancer Society’s long-standing position.
Also, the task force said breast self-exams do no good and women shouldn’t be taught to do them.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 6:03 pm
Susie1945,
Re: What qualifications?
The one’s needed to unseat a President. These qualifications can come from a array of strengths. Current and continuing knowledge and experience on the Economy, foreign affairs, military knowledge.
DancesWithPumas 11.16.09 at 6:05 pm
Nikkismom
Youre criticizing palin for lack of emotional maturity…
my point is bush 1 and oblot are no where near any acceptable level of emotional maturity. I also don’t know which candidates on which youre basing your model.
99.99999999% of have been male, and with the exception of Eagleton, were devoid of emotion… an absence which might appear as ‘maturity’ to some.
murphy 11.16.09 at 6:12 pm
It is a rational concern though — what WILL the lamestream media (love that!) say about Palin?
You can just FEEL the raging condescension just DYING to break free behind the not-quite perfectly measured and balanced reviews of her book and interview tours.
The only way Hillary can run in 2012 is if:
A. obama decides to not seek reelection (how likely is that?).
B. Hillary decides to challenge him anyway, a la Ted Kennedy in 1980 (how likely is THAT?)
C. Hillary decides to run as an independent, a la Ross Perot (how likely is THAT?)
I’m firmly in the Hillary’s not running in 2012 camp. sadly.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 6:12 pm
goofsmom
I think that she does have some knowledge and experience… She can add things to her resume like traveling to foreign countries to meet with leaders also like I said, doing things for clean energy. Also lobbying for some legislation among other things.
So yes she should do things like that. However, look at what we have now the entire country has gone mad and likes a guy with no experience, accomplishments, dirty past, etc
Shadowfax 11.16.09 at 6:13 pm
BigCatLover
Nancy Pelosi on c-span this morning talking at the Harvard University Institute of Govenrnment talking about women and what they need to do to succeed in politics and how she governs differently because she is a woman. How women are about fairness and seeking truth.
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…and within 2 minutes, her nose grew two feet longer.
People stood around amazed that this human pretended to defend and represent the women of her country…while she knuckle bumped the good old boyz in the backroom, wheeling and dealing to pass her pretend health care bill at any cost to women and elders. She stuffed her pockets with bought votes and dreamed of her never ending power over the citizens and congress. She was the puppet-master in her view.
Wake up Nancy – enjoy your last term in office!!!
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 6:15 pm
murphy
You forgot D. If by some miracle Obama is thrown out of office (how likely is that?)
Yes, I am coming to the realization that maybe Hillary won’t run again.
murphy 11.16.09 at 6:17 pm
shouldvevoted,
a-yup.
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 6:20 pm
Just had a funny fleeting thought..
if Conde Rice runs in 2012..
The Dems will be on their knees begging Hillary to run …
she’s the only one that could beat Conde, female to female
gojoyknocks 11.16.09 at 6:22 pm
Showing my emotional immaturity, Oprah is almost a big as her betrayal.
tec1965 11.16.09 at 6:23 pm
thanks murphy
thats what i was afraid of
i hope someone comes along who can beat the current empty suit in 2012 meanwhile i am praying the hc fraud does not pass* sigh *
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 6:23 pm
(((Murphy)))
#116 – Sigh… sadly I agree with your points.
So what do we do… If we want a woman President in 2012 it will have to be a Repub or Ind.
IMHO, the Repubs will not let Palin have the nod. Or, if they do it will be as the VP again.
I’m not worrying about voting the Presidential Election right this minute. I am concerned about the choices that are testing the political waters. Like I wrote earlier, I will vote against “O”. I would love to vote for a woman but I really don’t feel that we will get that option in 2012.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 6:25 pm
I habor a little tiny thought way back in the deep recesses of my mind that Obama may decide not to run again in 2012 because he is 1. bored with being prez or 2. thinks it’s too much work being prez or 3. has a pathological need to keep moving on to bigger and better things. Besides how much longer can they muzzle Michelle, she’s got to be pulling on the reins to break out. Of course, the group around O would fight to continue their power trip, but I can dream.
murphy 11.16.09 at 6:26 pm
{{{{gojoy!}}}
a big FAT hug to you!
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 6:28 pm
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 6:20 pm
Just had a funny fleeting thought..
if Conde Rice runs in 2012..
The Dems will be on their knees begging Hillary to run …
she’s the only one that could beat Conde, female to female
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I walked around smiling before the race began in 2008 hoping HRC and Condi Rice would both run, then whoever won, it would be a female. Anyone heard any rumors Condi is thinking about running.
gojoyknocks 11.16.09 at 6:31 pm
I foresee:
President Joe Biden will not seek his party’s nomination leaving the path clear for Vice-President Hillary Clinton. She will win the election but will not be sworn in because the world comes to an end on 12-10-2010.
gojoyknocks 11.16.09 at 6:32 pm
Make that 2012
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 6:33 pm
I walked around smiling before the race began in 2008 hoping HRC and Condi Rice would both run, then whoever won, it would be a female. Anyone heard any rumors Condi is thinking about running.
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No, but there are rumors about Dick Cheney running again, and Liz Cheney was on Fox and they asked her if she was thinking about running, and she avoided the questions. So I was just thinking maybe somewhere in that mix, Conde Rice might just be thrown in there somewhere. I know that they want a strong female on the Repub side. She is the only one I could think of. I really think the Repubs want the first female Prez. after the fiasco last year.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 6:35 pm
I heard Condi wanted to pull away for politics but I suppose it’s always a possibility. I wouldn’t want a Bushite being pres but like others said it might prompt the dems to reinstate a woman… But again, it’s not so likely.
murphy 11.16.09 at 6:36 pm
gojoy, a-yup.
(about the biden hillary thingy, not the mayan apocalypse)
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 6:38 pm
gojoyknocks,
#128 – That made me happy and a little scared at the same time… I’m not a 2012 end of the world believer.
Shadowfax 11.16.09 at 6:39 pm
The only way Hillary will run in 2012 is if the Democratic Party needs her to win, and pull them back from the brink.
Either the brink is caused by Obama ruining the economy more that he already has (God forbid), or the Repubs come out with a slam-dunk candidate that only Hillary can win against.
Hillary will never run unless she knows the DNC will not stab her in the back and steal the election again!!!!
If Obama pulls off one success in four years and the economy comes back…which in all financial cycles, it does…he is a shoe in for the Dem. candidate.
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Anyone have the link to Ocra’s dissing contest with Sarah? Ocra is disgusting.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 6:41 pm
Big Cat and prplvette,
I will eat a worm, for real and let Dances and or Casper tape it, if the Repub party runs a woman for President against “O” in the 2012 elections.
(Note: not a primary run, the real election)
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 6:42 pm
utoh… can’t get on my fb account.
is it just me?
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 6:43 pm
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 6:41 pm
Big Cat and prplvette,
I will eat a worm, for real and let Dances and or Casper tape it, if the Repub party runs a woman for President against “O” in the 2012 elections.
(Note: not a primary run, the real election)
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will it be at the bottom of a Tequila bottle?
gojoyknocks 11.16.09 at 6:44 pm
Hey Goofsmom…I was going for levity and blew the punchline. I’m out of practice, too much lurking.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 6:44 pm
We need Obama’s approval rating to fall to 40%… When that happens I’m sure we will hear criticism from democrats and that’s when people like Palin or Hillary will start to take notice and announce that they are running/stepping down.
Shadowfax 11.16.09 at 6:44 pm
goofsmom
Big Cat and prplvette,
I will eat a worm, for real and let Dances and or Casper tape it, if the Repub party runs a woman for President against “O” in the 2012 elections.
(Note: not a primary run, the real election)
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Ayup, the Repubs will only run a woman in the General Election if the Dems do it first. I will eat a bag of cupcakes with you and your worm Goofsmom, and we can ride in Dance’s cupcake car all the way to the ER.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 6:49 pm
We need to show women like Hillary and Sarah that they have our support too. Part of the responsibility falls on the voters. If we are out there advocating for them they will take notice and consider running.
murphy 11.16.09 at 6:51 pm
oh and btw, goofsmom, I totally get what you are worried about. How do you weigh your very strong desire to support a woman candidate against your very strong desire to see BO defeated?
As I’m sure other pumas also understand.
I for one am holding the line and will vote for the woman in the race whoever she may be, excluding satan, the monster-mother in North Carolina, Phyllis Schlafly, and anyone who openly advocates homophobia-racism-misogyny.
Luckily, there are like, ZERO women running for office who are either Satan, the mother in NC, Schlafly, or the prez of the KKK or some such. For some reason, Satan, child-murderers, and professional homophobes and racists tend NOT to ever be women. Color me surprised.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 6:54 pm
Okay we have 2 worm eaters. Any body else want to join the bet? Someone with a better memory than mine needs to remember who agreed to eat a worm if the repubs run a remale in the general election, ’cause I’ll forget by then.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 6:57 pm
Anyone know if the chances for Carly Fiorina to win her election in 2010 look good? That’s 2 years of experience under her belt before 2012. Stranger things have happened and he’s sitting in the Oval Office.
Shadowfax 11.16.09 at 7:00 pm
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 6:54 pm
Okay we have 2 worm eaters.
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Before you make a memory note, I agreed to eat a bag of cupcakes not a worm. That is one for worm eating…
catsrlove 11.16.09 at 7:03 pm
Big Cat Lover #96 I would never watch that big bag of hot air.
She influenced the election when she had that fund raiser. She has a large following; why I don’t know. She made a fraud’s
book #1 when she endorsed his book.
She made a fraud a President. Well, Levin is the biggest turkey around.. Couldn’t resist.
Again, I agree with your post #110. Sarah is mature; she just has something most politicians don’t – compassion, the need to tell the truth.
I have her book on order. Can’t wait to read it.
Please prplvette85, don’t even think about Condi running for President. I couldn’t vote for her if she were running against
“Bo Bo”. I would write in Sarah Palin’s name.
Haven’t been doing too well. That’s why I haven’t been on the board. The Fibro and Arthritis have been terrible. I had three
epidural in the spinal column earlier this year. They didn’t work. I will just have to live with it. I have to get George Strait’s new C/D. That will make me feel better. I have never
seen a better looking 56 year old man. My husband knows of my “secret love”.
Take care – it is dangerous out there.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 7:06 pm
Murphy,
#142 – The woman wins… I would and will support a woman candidate. (With all the same exceptions as you noted.)
If there are no women candidates, then and only then would I vote just to remove “O” from office.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 7:12 pm
(((gojoy)))
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Prplvette,
Dang, you are quick… pass the tequila…
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Shadowfax,
Step away from the cupcakes… hehehe… I’ll make you a worm shaped cupcake okay… No ER’s for me…
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 7:43 pm
This is another WTF… What Obama giveth the IRS taketh away…
How can we possibly trust them with HC? Hmmmm…
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Millions will have to repay part of tax credit
WASHINGTON — More than 15 million taxpayers may owe the government $250 or more because of how the IRS last spring set up President Barack Obama’s tax break that was designed to help consumers spend the U.S. economy out of recession.
Individuals with more than one job and married couples in which both spouses work may have to repay the government $400, either through a smaller tax refund or a larger tax bill, according to a report released Monday by the Treasury Department’s inspector general for tax administration. Social Security recipients who also earn taxable wages may have to repay $250.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gkep0UU55rYxFXyIKMRy9Zv0Oo-wD9C0SVBG0
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 7:58 pm
DWP – #115…
Not basing it on a man. Why would I? I’m basing it on the female we supported – Hillary. Hillary didn’t let the attacks on the fact that she liked wearing pantsuits distract her from her mission.
Why do you think Sarah Palin is dumb?
sheila7 11.16.09 at 7:59 pm
Hi PUMAS! Hope everyone is doing well.
I’m not going to inject myself into the drama too much but 2 things-
NikkisMom is NOT and obot.
I’m all for women in office and on a personal level Palin seems like a nice lady, but, I personally don’t think she would make a good President. That does not make someone an obot for crying out loud. In fact, I am not speaking for Murphy, just giving my opinion on what I think to be true, but I don’t think this is meant to be a Palin worship blog. It gets old for some of us. JMHO.
sheila7 11.16.09 at 8:00 pm
Oh! Hi NikkisMom!
We must have been posting at the same time.
sheila7 11.16.09 at 8:01 pm
* should say not an obot — not and obot
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 8:05 pm
Hey, goofsmom are you talking about WORMS like these???????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjNhyeje0g0 
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 8:06 pm
BigCatLover…. Got It… please see post #154….
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 8:07 pm
Hi Sheila! good to see you! Nope, not an obot. Not even close..
Hope things are going well for you in school. Lookout – we just had 3″ of rain – sending it your way.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 8:09 pm
Casper Cat,
ROFLMAO…. How would I catch one?? hehehe… I wonder if I would be able to dance like that after I ate one??? LOL…
Juliette 11.16.09 at 8:10 pm
tec1965 #72
I hear you and could not agree more. While I am still trying to recover from watching Bill and Hillary Clinton out on the campaign trail promoting the Shari-ah loving son of a polygamist, I now have to watch both Clintons rallying behind Obama’s hostile take over of our nations health care. Do Pumas support policies or personality? Palin is against the stimulus theft, she is against the Unhealth Care bill and against Cap and Trade. It seems to me she is fighting hard against the same distructive policies that we Pumas are fighting hard agaisnt, while the Clintons are promoting Obama crap health care bill. Could it be the Clintons just submitted to the will of Obama and are positioning themselves in the Obama political hierarchy? It is beginning to look that way to me.
Perhaps only 3 in 10 Americans believe that Palin is qualified to be president. But take in to consideration the flat out and numerous lies that were reported about Palin’s record and never corrected by the main stream media. People don’t think she is qualified because they have been programed by the MSM. If they judged her by her record of public service to the people of her state, which is the sole job of any governor, they would see that she always put her constituents first and was wildly sucessful in her position of govenor for all the right reasons.
If I had a choice today between Sarah Palin for president of HRC I would have to go with Sarah Palin. I am tired of fighting all of these big government power grabs that the democrats have been pushing through as law on week ends and in the middle of the night. I am not convinced that Hillary Clinton’s domestic policies would be much different than what Pelosi, Reid and Obama are pushing for. Surely the Clinton’s support of Obama-Pelosi Care will be used against them if Hillary runs in 2012.
I tend to agree with Murphy that Hillary won’t run in 2012. And as for Sarah Palin, I am no loyalist to any politician. I will be watching her over the next three year. I will judge her by her actions not by her image. If she continues to be an advocate for the people and stays away from the dirty money and influence of George Soros and friends, she will have my continued support.
Politics is the most corruptable career anyone can have. I have faith in Palin who is not afraid to work outside of the political structure to defend the rigths of Americans. I hope that she remains true to herself, and never gives in to a travisty of democracy, which the Obama administration has proven to be.
sheila7 11.16.09 at 8:12 pm
NikkisMom,
Yep, it’s been raining since last night here. It is pouring right now. I think it is supposed to rain all week too. Here we go again with the rain.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 8:12 pm
I just missed the Lou Dobbs interview on O’Reilly. Did anyone else catch it and did he say anything interesting about leaving CNN and future plans?
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 8:15 pm
Juliette
While Palin is against the healthcare bill, she’d probably be against the universal plan that most Puma’s want.
BTW, I think it is less than 3 year we have to wait. The primaries will start in 16 months.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 8:18 pm
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 8:06 pm
BigCatLover…. Got It… please see post #154….
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I’m picturing those worms in goofsmom’s stomach. LOL
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 8:18 pm
Big Cat Lover,
I saw it… Dislike O’Rielly but wanted to see if anything interesting came up…
Nope… nothing new and exciting.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 8:19 pm
They would tickle… hehehe…
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 8:21 pm
BigCatLover
I heard he left because CNN execs were telling him not to talk about Obama’s eligibility issue. Don’t know if he has anything in the works.
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“The beginning of the end, the New York Post is reporting, came in July when CNN President Jonathan Klein told Dobbs’ staff in a memo to stay away from so-called “birther” stories about doubts that Barack Obama was really born in the United States.
“It seems this story is dead because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef,” Klein said in the memo.
Dobbs and Klein have been at odds ever since, according to the Post.”
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Dobbs_quits_CNN/2009/11/13/286122.html?s=al&promo_code=911B-1
snowtigerredux 11.16.09 at 8:23 pm
evening Pumas.
Just a quick run by.
If Palin runs she will be crucified by the lamestream media. as will any woman who dares to challenge Carpathia.
Imagine what they would do to HRC if she jumped ship and ran?
A call out out any PUMA with a facebook account. we got a group,
Praying for the Victims of Islamic Terrorist Dr. Nidal Malik Hasan
http://www.facebook.com/groups.php?ref=sb#/group.php?gid=170468609770
and the islamics are there telling everyone what a wonderful religion islam really is.
(vomit)
Anyone who wants to join in and educate these whackos is welcome.
we need some women in there. Got one, A soldier in the middle east. And damn SHE should run for presidwnt,
Have to og have dinner. BBL.
((((PUMA))))
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 8:23 pm
DWP… if you are here… hope your are feeling better…
You have mail in the action mail center… 
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 8:24 pm
I would suggest that people stop jusdging Palin by what they’ve been told by a hostile press what is in her book. After you read the book, if she only talks about clothes and the McCain handlers, then you can say that makes her dumb or immature or whatever insult you want to use. Those of us calling out such kneejerk judgments based on rumors are not Palin worshippers, we are saying stop the quick and shallow judgements on females based on popular media reports. Read the book then discuss the facts in the book.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 8:30 pm
Was there any fact checking on Obama’s bullshit books?
BillieJo 11.16.09 at 8:32 pm
Just a drive by……
I decided to avoid the blog when I see Juliette trashing on the Clinton’s again.
Cripes Juliette, how many times to you need to repeat this rant? Yea, you are so freakin’ disappointed, again and again and again and again and again
and again and again and again and again and again
and again and again and again and again and again
and again and again and again and again and again
and again and again and again and again and again
and again and again and again and again and again
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sheila7 11.16.09 at 8:32 pm
BCL,
My opinion has nothing to do with anything the media has “informed” me of. That is the last place I would get info. It is just my own personal opinion. I disagree with her on many things. That’s all. No biggie.
I will say though that I struggle with supporting a woman just because she is a woman. I understand the concept, there is no other way to get equal representation, but I don’t see how that is different than African-Americans voting for BO just because he is black. And that is why we are in this mess to begin with.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 8:43 pm
sheila7 11.16.09 at 8:32 pm
If you did not claim that Palin just talks about her clothes and the McCain handlers mishandling her, then my comment is not directed at you whether or not you agree or disagree with her.
I don’t understand why the you struggle to support a woman just because she is a woman – if you can’t do that, then don’t do it. Why angonize over it. We all have our own values and ideas about right and wrong. Go with that and don’t worry if others are promoting another course of action. Do what makes you comfortable. I seriously doubt anyone here can support ANY woman just because she is female. There are some woman we each could never support.
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 8:46 pm
sheila7 11.16.09 at 8:12 pm
NikkisMom,
Yep, it’s been raining since last night here. It is pouring right now. I think it is supposed to rain all week too. Here we go again with the rain.
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Hi Sheila
Sorry I been missing you on the blog. I have had a cold since Friday, and this weather is not helping. It’s rainy, windy and cold here. How’s school?
I got to get online and do my CE for my license, I need 20 hours by the end of the month
murphy 11.16.09 at 8:49 pm
I wont vote for Satan if it turns out he’s actually a she, AND she’s running for office.
Which I highly doubt Satan is a woman. And it’s even MORE unlikely that Satan, be she she or be she he, is running in Massachusetts.
WAAAAY more likely to be running in Tennessee or Arkansas or one of those God states.
sheila7 11.16.09 at 8:50 pm
BCL,
I struggle with it because I do feel like there is no other way to achieve equality. The men aren’t going to do it for us. But, like I said I can’t support just any woman. It’s just something I have to deal with I guess.
sheila7 11.16.09 at 8:54 pm
Hi Prplvette!
Sorry you’re not feeling well. But….. SO HAPPY about Roxie getting her surgery.
School is going ok for me. Can’t wait until it’s done.
What is CE?
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 8:54 pm
#168 – BCL – I’m not going by what the media has said about her book. There have been excerpts released for the last few days….even by ‘Palin-friendly’ sites.
As a woman, I will defend her from the sexism and mysogynistic attacks. Maybe sometime in the future she will be ready, but if I had to choose today, I would struggle with it. That’s the way I feel about it today.
We shall see in 2012…who knows what the future holds? There are all kinds of ‘rumors’ floating around – Condi Rice, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin….are we going to support any of these women, even if they’re republicans? I don’t know – I suspect we each have to follow our own heart.
Whichever woman wins the presidency will be attacked like no man has ever been attacked and she will need to be able to withstand those attacks while not losing focus on governing at the same time.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 8:56 pm
Speaking of dumb, I left my cellphone in my slacks pocket which I then put threw the washer and dryer. Has anyone else done this and saved the cellphone. I’m going to try replacing the battery – where can you get cellphone batteries (my first cellphone, so I’m clueless).
Juliette 11.16.09 at 8:57 pm
Murphy
Wasn’t Bill Clinton governor of one of those “God States?”
snowtigerredux 11.16.09 at 8:57 pm
I say we run Murphy.
snowtigerredux 11.16.09 at 8:59 pm
Hey Murphy!! Wanna be prez?
sheila7 11.16.09 at 8:59 pm
BCL,
I think you can get batteries at the stores or kiosks whereever you live and also you can order them online at A T & T or Verizon, etc.
Simofish should know what to do with that.
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 9:00 pm
BCL #178 – try taking the covers off and drying it out with a hair dryer. There may still be some dampness in it….but sadly, if the dryer were hot enough, it could have fried the components in it.
Try any cellular store – AT&T, U.S. Cellular – or even ordering online for cellphone batteries – all you need is the manufacturer name and model of the phone to find them.
sheila7 11.16.09 at 9:00 pm
snowtigerredux,
Now there would be a woman I could vote for without struggling.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 9:01 pm
NikkisMom
I don’t like being in the position of supporting Palin constantly, but you say you are judging her (or maybe just her book) by the excerpts. That is still what the media chooses to release and discuss. It’s not the whole story of her book, what ever that is and I don’t know what that is,haven’t read the book.
snowtigerredux 11.16.09 at 9:02 pm
we need a slogan for Murhpy.
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 9:02 pm
snowtigerredux…. I agree 10000000000000000000%%%%%%%%
I have posted on the blog I will be the first to donate to “Murphy for President” campaign… WOW!!!!!!!!! I just love saying that….. 
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 9:03 pm
Here is a perfect example of what we are saying about the spin on Palin’s book – Larry King has 4 women on to discuss her book and what she said on the Oprah show. Now what is that all about. Mary Matalin, Katrina Vanderheuven, a women from the McCain campaign and I missed who the 4th one is.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 9:04 pm
BCL,
Ouch… Once a cell phone get’s wet it’s toast. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I know from experience, my story is even worse than yours. I wear my cell on a belt clip. Went to wash my hands, caught it with the sleave of my jacket and it flipped into the sink right into the stream of water from the faucet. It barely got wet, but that was enough. Had to get a new phone. They were able to transfer the history and contact information from one phone to the other.
P.S. there is a sensor inside the area where the battery goes that let’s them know that the phone got wet. Bummer, because that is not something that is covered.
snowtigerredux 11.16.09 at 9:04 pm
“Murphy For President”
“fuck You if you don’t like it!”
Hows that ? A little too aggressive?
NikkisMom 11.16.09 at 9:04 pm
BCL – #185 – no, no – not *just* by her book or excerpts – check out her facebook pages….everything….as a whole. Her reactions to every attack made on her…. I believe any person to be more complicated than a few ‘excerpts’ in their book.
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 9:05 pm
snowtigerredux
The slogan would be PUMA of course!
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 9:06 pm
#190
LMAO!!!
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 9:06 pm
snowtigerredux….. #190…. Too suttle… We need something more in your face and up close…..
Thinking!
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 9:06 pm
The 4th woman on Larry King is Naomi Wolfe. OMG
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 9:07 pm
snowtiger,
#190 – LOL… Love it!!!
CJK 11.16.09 at 9:08 pm
Juliette 11.16.09 at 8:10 pm
Hi Juliette, I respect you for standing up for what you believe, for fearlessly expressing your independent views, and for continuing to resist groupthink, groupspeak (which really boils down to peer pressure and the need to be accepted, no?). I happen to believe that SP represents the most realistic chance women have to achieve the WH in 2012. I doubt she will run as a GOP, but likely under another banner. (Who knows? If HRC can manage to free herself from the BO/Obamacrat albatross, SP and HRC could ultimately wind up on the same ticket if that much-discussed ‘summit’ over coffee does take place. This would be my dream ticket, which would be the Ds, Rs, the patriarchy’s and Islam’s worst possible nightmare!) At any rate, I’m going to take DWP’s advice, and follow the blogs that respect and stand up for SP as the accomplished, compassionate, intelligent executive woman she is, rather than blogs that tend to villify her because she was once an R, because of her faith, because she’s a wife/mother, because she’s straight, because she’s beautiful, because she’s real and intuitive, because she’s popular, because she hasn’t drained herself of all emotional responsiveness and become man-like as some women politicos have done in order to succeed in the patriarchy, etc., etc., etc. IMO, SP personifies feminism — the right to self-determination in all matters. I’ll be lurking, but focusing my energies on contributing elsewhere where I might be able to make some small difference. For now, I’ll be e-mailing up a storm, urging Congress to scrap any current hc bills being considered, and to start over and build carefully considered, true hc reform from the grassroots up. I’ll also be watching for all possible ways to support any viable challengers to Pelosi in 2010.
snowtigerredux 11.16.09 at 9:09 pm
Hmmmm How about…
Murphy For President!
A penis in one hand and a koran in the other.. and they are both Obamas!
“fuck you if you don’t like it!”
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.16.09 at 9:09 pm
BCL #188
Let’s have 4 pumas on Larry King to analyze and dissect every word of Obama’s bullshit books!
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 9:09 pm
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 8:56 pm
Speaking of dumb, I left my cellphone in my slacks pocket which I then put threw the washer and dryer. Has anyone else done this and saved the cellphone. I’m going to try replacing the battery – where can you get cellphone batteries (my first cellphone, so I’m clueless).
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what kind of cell phone do you have? I have some batteries, but I don’t know if they will fit.
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Sheila7,
Continuing Education. Have to take 20 hours every time I renew my multi lines insurance license.
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 9:10 pm
“What’s the difference between Theory and Reality?”….MURPHY! it’s not about Change it is about Action!!!! Simply put…. People First..PEROID!!!!!!!!!
Just thnking out loud…. 
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 9:11 pm
Blogtalkradio is on. Dr. Lynette Long is on tonight.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nqr/2009/11/17/sins-of-omission
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 9:13 pm
Casper Cat,
Like ‘em… especially “it’s not about Change it is about Action!!!..
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 9:14 pm
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nqr/2009/11/17/sins-of-omission
Cellphone is a LG and was a gift so I don’t know much more about it. Didn’t know if I could pick up a battery in a drug store or someplace like Radio Shack.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 9:15 pm
OOps the last post was in answer to prplvette’s question to me, not about blogtalkradio.
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 9:16 pm
I think Palin’s actual policies are fairly unknown by the general electorate precisely because the media refuses to report on them.
I have been following her notes on FB and find her ideas and insights to be brilliant. The really dumb people are the sheeple that follow BO.
I am waiting to see if she can stand without bowing to the pro-life fanatics on the right. I think she will uphold precedent and insist that pro-life is her personal choice which she encourages others to take but will not force on anyone.
sheila7 11.16.09 at 9:18 pm
Prplvette85,
Oh ok. Duh, I should have realized that was continuing education.
You better get working woman! You don’t want to be a procrastinator like I am!
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 9:18 pm
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 9:06 pm
snowtigerredux….. #190…. Too suttle… We need something more in your face and up close….. Thinking!
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LOL
Juliette 11.16.09 at 9:18 pm
I just had to watch OBAMPRA’s interview with Sarah Palin. Sadly it was more of a trial than an interview, but hey, nothing new about that. Oprah was quick to interject the lie that Obama was defending Palin when he told the press that family was off limits. What a bunch of crap. Obama never uttered a word in defense of Sarah Palin or Hillary Clinton. He meant HIS children and wife were off limits.
As far as Obamagirl (Oprah) is concerned, Sarah Palin should have stayed home and raised her five children, because unlike the male candidates, Sarah does not have a wife!
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 9:21 pm
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 9:16 pm
Palin talks about when she found out her last child had Down’s Syndrome, she was away from home by herself, and having an abortion crossed her mind because she had not told her husband yet. She said she understood how it can seem like the best way out of a problem pregnancy and why some women consider it.
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 9:25 pm
a very much needed repost….. Murphy…. take a look…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1TBybDpXKI very good!
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 9:25 pm
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 9:14 pm
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nqr/2009/11/17/sins-of-omission
Cellphone is a LG and was a gift so I don’t know much more about it. Didn’t know if I could pick up a battery in a drug store or someplace like Radio Shack.
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I have an LG battery for you! email me your address and I will put in the mail
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 9:26 pm
#209 Juliette
I guess you don’t recommend the interview. I missed it, but maybe I didn’t miss anything? I’m not into the “soft” media. When BO is ruining our economy and running around the world making us more vulnerable, not to mention bringing terrorists to New York…Who cares about Obampra’s stupid interview? Anyone?
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 9:29 pm
nromapapuma…. here is a snip…. take a look… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBZepWLCP8s From today
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 9:32 pm
Casper Cat,
Thank you for posting Vid at #211…
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 9:34 pm
#210 BigCatLOver
That’s the kind of thoughtfulness that I believe is truly Sarah Palin. I’ve been so proud of how she has conducted herself compared to other politicians like BO who gave Hillary the finger, etc. She’s a lady and a patriot.
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 9:38 pm
normapapauma…
sorry, for the typo in your name…. 
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 9:42 pm
prplvette85, you have email. Thanks.
Juliette 11.16.09 at 9:43 pm
normapapuma
Sarah Palin appointed a pro-choice Alaskan- supreme court judge before she was run out of town by the Obama thugs. An Alaskan news paper said that she resisted pressure from pro-life groups in doing so. I have posted a link to that article here in the past and so did persephone. (Sorry I no loger have the link address)
Palin’s policies don’t have to be unknown as her voting record is a matter of public record.
In reading a recent article in the Philadelphia Inquirer “How PA gas industry came to be tax-exempt,” I learned that the state of Alaska (based on 2007 market production,) taxes the Natural Gas industry 25%-to 50% while the second highest taxes paid were in New Mexico at only 8.67% to 9.5%. Texas and Oklahoma followed at a mere 7 to 7.5% and other states were as low as 2%. Pennsylvania, Virginia, New York and Maryland do NOT tax gas extraction.
I am not sure what the word “progressive” means to most democrats these days. But from what I can see. Sarah Palin is the servant of big industry but is someone who made sure that the people of her state were more than fairly compensated for the exploitation of their natural resourses. Maybe that explains why her approval ratings were in the 80-90% range.
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 9:46 pm
Casper Cat
No worries about speeling! Thanks for the snip-The interview seems very nice! I’m already sold on her anyway.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 9:48 pm
I’m going to hop in here and say something…
The Republicans will not vote in a woman candidate to run against Obama in the Presidential elections of 2012.
Palin is a Republican, therefore see above.
If and when she changes to an independent party, which party platform will she choose?
My point being, as things stand right now, this very moment, Palin will not be running for President in 2012.
Everything else is sheer speculation.
Sorry if I’m being blunt… these are just the facts.
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 9:54 pm
Juliette
You’re so well informed. Unfortunately we will witness sexism from our ex-Democratic Party. Any man is better by their standards. I hope we they will not stop us from having a woman President next time.
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 9:55 pm
Pumas… Please take a look… help me understand what Hillary is talking about…. ” Plan is NOT as important as the Political Coalition Support of the Plan”? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqOSq2crBOQ&feature=related Is this the reason the HC Bill os being forced through….
What the shit does that means…..? Murphy….. I need YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! Please take a look…. on the HealthScareBill……
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 9:58 pm
The Republicans will not vote in a woman candidate to run against Obama in the Presidential elections of 2012.
Goofsmom
Why are you so sure? Do you base this on Republican surveys?
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 10:04 pm
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 9:55 pm
Pumas… Please take a look… help me understand what Hillary is talking about…. ” Plan is NOT as important as the Political Coalition Support of the Plan”?
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I think HRC is talking about madated hc and the 3 possible ways you can cover everybody. I think she was thinking that getting everyone covered is more important than how it’s done – medicare like, employer mandate, or individual mandate.
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 10:08 pm
Clinton or Palin will fight sexism. Example: Runner’s Week Magazine cover is duplicated for Newsweek showing SP in shorts.
#223 Casper Cat-I never agreed with Hillary or Bill on everything. Health care is one of those issues. Agree to disagree with HRC on this.
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 10:10 pm
Thank You BigCatLover…. that really upset me…. I was just reading it as saying who care’s what’s in the Bill… JUST get everyone on board to pass it… Kind of like who cares about substances…. Just get it through…. I hope you are right… Thanks. ((((BCL))))
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 10:12 pm
CasperCat
I believe that interview was before the election, and if it was, then she had no idea the crap that the Congress would put together and call a hc reform bill.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 10:14 pm
normapapuma,
#224 – I am very, very sure because… well, I used to be one. I’ve seen them in action and face to face. It won’t happen. That’s why I am also very sure I won’t be eating a worm anytime soon.
What ever they were in the past, they are not now a party that would promote a women to the highest office of this country in 2012.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 10:15 pm
CasperCat
She says ‘once I get the nomination’so she was probably on the campaign trail when she made that interview.
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 10:15 pm
Carry on cats. (There sure are a lot of cats around here.) I’m off for the night. Thanks everybody!
Juliette 11.16.09 at 10:15 pm
goofsmom
Sure everything is speculation right know. But in your comment you end with “these are just the facts.” The only fact that I read was that Sarah Palin is a republican. Everything else, was sheer spectulation.
I cannot even spectulate over what either party will do as far as daring to put a woman up against Barak Obama. At least the republican party allowed the voters to choose their nominee, that’s more than we can say about the DNC. And at least John McCain was evolved enough to choose a female running mate, something we know is not true of the DNC’s selection Barak O’Burqa.
In any case next Nov. 2012, party will not be an issues in who I vote for. I will study the candidate’s individual records and scrutinize their biggest campaign donors. This is what too many Obama supporters failed to do. I will vote for the candidate who stands for American Sovereignty over a New Shari-ah accepting all powerful World Governance. I don’t like where America is headed and if I have to tug on the right side of the political (tug of war) rope I will. I quess most of us already have, in voting for McCain-Palin.
Lets pray for good people to have the courage to run for political office. It’s a tough and dirty game, especially in the new Obamanation.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 10:17 pm
goofsmom
The odds are in your favor that the repubs will not nominate a female for 2012, but your bet was so cute I had to follow up on it, but was not taking the bet. Still, you never know.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 10:18 pm
Casper Cat,
I looked at the sidebar note. The video is from and interview with the Des Moines Register on Friday July 20. While she was still a Senator and Presidential Candidate. Therefore, my guess is the vid is from 2008.
Rest easy, it is a recycle…
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 10:18 pm
#229 That really s_ _ _s! Hope and pray we women can do something to change that situation. Goodnight goofs!
Juliette 11.16.09 at 10:19 pm
Goodnight normapapuma.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 10:20 pm
Big Cat,
LOL… awww, come on… it’s just a little worm… hehehe…
Maybe even one from a tequila bottle like Prplvette suggested…
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 10:21 pm
Bishops assert moral duty in health care debate
BALTIMORE – The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops defended their involvement in the health care debate, saying Monday that church leaders have a duty to the nation and God to raise moral concerns on any issue, including on abortion rights and coverage for the poor.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091117/ap_on_re/us_rel_catholic_bishops
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yeah, this from men who molest boys, and worship statues.
normapapuma 11.16.09 at 10:22 pm
Goodnight sweet Juliette! Did Romeo say that?
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 10:22 pm
Nighty-night Normapapuma… sleep well, knowing we can change the world one person at a time…
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 10:23 pm
BCL you are right…. the interview was before the election… But, Hillary has traveled this path before… That is what confused me with the “Plan is not as important as the political coalition support for the plan”….. I understand the overall message in that statement… But, the Plan is what will have a hugh impact on the American People… Don’t get me wrong I Have supported Hillary for as long as I can remember… Then only time I did not support her is when she asked me to support BO… I said NO!!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!! and to this day I still hold that position…. I have Hillary Posters displayed in my home and I am very proud of her…. But, life is about choices and I made a choice in the 2008 election to NOT support the Selected Fraud… Yes, I casted a vote in protest and I will gladly do it again…. I am soooooooooooo disgusted with the current Dem party I feel just like HPBoston who so beautifully describes… ‘VOTE THE DIRTY, KICK TO THE CRUB SLIME BAGS OUT OF OFFICE’… Well, I added a few to “Vote the Bums Out”
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 10:23 pm
prplvette,
Yep, read that article and just about laughed my self sick. Hypocrites!
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 10:27 pm
Casper Cat,
#241 – Loved the additions… LOL…
Casper Cat 11.16.09 at 10:28 pm
normapapuma #231…. Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!! Yes! more Cats….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-L6rEm0rnY
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 10:29 pm
CasperCat
Me too and I agree.
BigCatLover 11.16.09 at 10:36 pm
Goodnight pumas.
CJK 11.16.09 at 10:36 pm
FYI. Hillbuzz gets it. These guys are feminists. They’re standing up for SP against Newsweek’s sexism/misogyny.
http://hillbuzz.org/2009/11/16/newsweek-recycles-old-fitness-photo-to-subtlely-attack-sarah-palin/
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 10:39 pm
Night-Night Big Cat… sweet puma dreams…
Juliette 11.16.09 at 10:41 pm
prplvette85 #238
It is perfectly acceptable and very safe to question and or criticize Catholic Bishops. But to say that they or any Catholics worship statues is a flat out lie.
Headclunker 11.16.09 at 10:42 pm
FECK obama Update
http://pumapac.org/forums/feck-obama-team/comment-page-3/#comment-394530
Buck Farack!
Rancho 11.16.09 at 10:46 pm
I’m in and out. Just got home and have piles of work to get to. I just received this email from the Alice Paul Institute. I’ll try to post one time every day until Friday. Can someone out there help me get the word out?
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You have until Friday, November 20th to vote to have Alice Paul inducted into the NJ Hall of Fame. Visit http://www.njhalloffame.com to cast your vote for Alice!
honora 11.16.09 at 10:47 pm
Juliette- You beat me to it. Night PUMAS
Juliette 11.16.09 at 10:50 pm
goodnight honora.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 11:00 pm
Rancho,
I’ll help ya…
prplvette85 11.16.09 at 11:02 pm
Juliette 11.16.09 at 10:41 pm
prplvette85 #238
It is perfectly acceptable and very safe to question and or criticize Catholic Bishops. But to say that they or any Catholics worship statues is a flat out lie.
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No offense if you are catholic.
but what do you mean acceptable and safe? and it is not a lie, they worship statues, the virgin mary mary for one. I don’t have to question the religion, my whole family was catholic growing up. Here’s a website for you.. you can order the statues for your nearest church.
http://www.marianland.com/giftsec.html
Finest Catholic Statues, Gifts, Church Goods, Church Statuary,
Church Supplies, Crucifixes, Rosaries, Nativities,
Plaques, Bibles, Missals and more …
http://www.marianland.com/giftsec.html
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 11:03 pm
(((Headclunker)))
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 11:10 pm
Juliette,
Sometimes people can take advantage of what someone has already learned the hard way.
Some people have to learn it for themselves. You have every right to find out for yourself. It’s a free country.
goofsmom 11.16.09 at 11:22 pm
(((prplvette)))
Juliette 11.16.09 at 11:24 pm
prplvette #85
Acceptable and safe, meaning it is your right to question and criticize, and it is safe, perfectly safe to criticize, and even slander Christianity without fear of say a Fatwa or being called anti-semetic.
I don’t know what kind of Catholicism your family was practising, but if you believe that having an artistic representaion of the Virgin Mary, Christ on the Cross or a number of Saints equates to worshiping statues, you are just plain ignorant on this subject.
Juliette 11.16.09 at 11:57 pm
goofsmom
I am not sure I understand what you are talking about in #257.
Do you mean your experience as a republican? If that is the case, no I have never been a republican, but I think that both parties went through major changes in the last couple of years. I strongly believe that the bulk of coruption can be found were the bulk of money and power is. I believe that the big corporatons, and Banks were all in betting on the democrats this year. MSNBC is owned by G.E. and CBS by Westinghouse, both defense contractors. This power can easily shift and so can my support. I am tired of fighting over republican verses democrat. I am against Cap and Trade, more Bailout money for Banks and hugh corporations, Health Care reform, (and we will never get single payer for anyone but govenment workers and unions, not a chance) and Card Check. These are the policies the democrats are imposing on the American people against their will. So what can I do for now. I hold no loyalty to any party. Certainly not to what the democratic party is now.
Juliette 11.17.09 at 12:05 am
prplvette
If I buy a Christmas Tree and set it up in my house instead of a Nativity, which is more popular in Italy, does that mean I worship Evergreen Trees?
shouldvevotedforhillary 11.17.09 at 12:12 am
BillieJo
People are genuinely disappointed. I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe.
goofsmom 11.17.09 at 12:21 am
Juliette,
IMHO, the Repub party didn’t change it just became more focused on the wrong things… ie incorporating religious views and positions in politics. They changed along time ago on their support of women, I would say after WWII. They needed us for the war effort, after the men came home, women went back to being less than’s.
It took me a while to see the truth for myself. For that I hang my head in shame. (I’m not kidding here)
I was young and to busy working, trying to make my way and like most people that are politically uninformed, just voted party line and went on my way, back to my life and not really paying attention. Well, when I woke up out of the “to busy with my life to pay attention” stupor and really started paying attention, I was appalled.
Republicans will use women to get to the WH but they will never put a Woman in the WH as President. They would have to change to much.
TerryDo 11.17.09 at 1:03 am
For those who are interested in the exclusive interview of Lou Dobbs by Bill O’Reilly here is the link….
http://video.foxnews.com/11663423/factor-exclusive
Juliette 11.17.09 at 1:10 am
Goofsmom
Thanks for sharing your experience with me goofs. I don’t think you have any reason to hang your head in shame, as we are all just students of life here. Politics is about 90% deception so you shouldn’t be so hard on yourself.
I grew up in Philly so as you can imagine, republicans were always a novelty to me. I know that I was indoctrinated into a very left leaning ideology as a youth both in school and at home.
The only republican in my life was my great uncle who came to this country with absolutely nothing and became very sucessful as a clothing manufacturer.He loved to talk to me about politics and he actually was turned off by the republican party during the Reagan years and became a fan of Bill Clinton. He died ten years ago and I miss talking to him about politics.
Well, goofs I respect you for depending on your personal experience to guide your views. It has always been my way.
I don’t have any experience as a republican, and I wish there was another party to go to. I did support Ralph Nader in 2000, but hird parties have a real hard time in this country.
My biggest problem with the democrats today is their political correctness-complacency concerning Islam. We can discuse gay rights,reproductive rights, womens rights and all the rest, but believe me they won’t mean a thing if we do not stand up strong against the creeping Shari-ah culture that is infecting America.
I have seen how women Christians and Jews have to live in Isalmic countries. That has been my experience and I will not invite that kind of oppression into my country.
Juliette 11.17.09 at 1:14 am
For anyone who didn’t see this I think you will find it very interesting. I posted it very late last night.
Brigitte Gabriel Blasts Political Correctness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYYrWrS6fU4
goofsmom 11.17.09 at 1:24 am
Juliette,
I wish there was another party also… one that really is for women. I’m staying focused on that. I have a feeling that it is key to all the other ills going on in the country.
Juliette 11.17.09 at 1:33 am
Its always a pleasure discussing the issues with you goofs.
I too believe that women are any nations most valueable natural resourse. Just look at the countries that don’t allow women to contribute in their own ways to society. Those countries suffer in so many ways. Everyone, be it man, boy or girl, lives like an animal in countries where women are not valued and have no rights.
Cape Hatteras 11.17.09 at 1:52 am
Has anyone else wondered if Nancy’s SOOO important visit to the Vatican last year may be connected to the Stupak Sellout ?
Juliette 11.17.09 at 2:06 am
I don’t know Cape?
I intend to email the Conference of Catholic Bishops and make it clear to them that they should oppose Obama’s government take over of Health Care, because it is just a 70 billion dollar give away to Insurance and Pharma companies. They should be concerned about people who depend on biologic drugs, who will be denied any hope of affordable generic forms of these biologic drugs that are prohibitively expensive. I have to do some research about Genetec, I think thats the name of the Pharma co. that is going to benefit greatly from this crap bill.
Cape Hatteras 11.17.09 at 2:20 am
Yes Juliette that 2000 pages of outrage includes more $$$$$ to ACORN and more pork than the Hormel factories .
What could the Pope offer her in exchange for fixing the RC church’s favorite political issue ?
Juliette 11.17.09 at 4:17 am
Hi Cape
I just sent my email to the Conference of Catholic Bishops.
I am not sure I buy into the Pope offering Nancy Pelosi something in exchange for the Stupak ammendment. The reality is that alot of these pro-life democrats are just that, and so are the majority of their constituents. I have a pro-life democrat senator in my state of Pennsylvania- Senator Bob Casey. His father was our governor and was also a democrat who was pro-life. I don’t belive that the Catholic Church has very much power over health care reform. The nation is just moving more to the right on this issue. I believe it has more to do with technology than religion, as in is clear that fewer Americans belong to a church than a decade ago. People see ultra sounds and it changes the way they feel about abortion. Some have witnessed late term abortions on an ultra sound screen.
I know that the Catholic Church along with other Churches would like to have influence concerning this bill. But the polls on how Americans stand on the abortion issue seem to indicate it is something else.
I like many of Catholics am pro-choice. I wrote to the Catholic Bishops only to stress the point that everthing about this bill and this administration is dangerous and wrong for America. I strongly recommended that they look at all aspects of this bill instead of focusing on abortion coverage.
God knows everything about it is dreadfully wrong.
TexasTigress 11.17.09 at 7:49 am
First signs of healthcare rationing targets whom ? WOMEN !
No mamograms until you are 50 !
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33973665/ns/health-womens_health
In fact , dont’t even TOUCH them !(no need for self exams)
Forget you have them – they cost too much money !
Fucktards.
Notyoursweetie 11.17.09 at 7:55 am
Oops! Obama created new jobs in the 57th state
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/more-stimulus-wackiness-new-jobs-in-imaginary-districts/
NikkisMom 11.17.09 at 8:24 am
#273 – TT- WTF?? Wow –
“Also, the task force said breast self-exams do no good and women shouldn’t be taught to do them.”
And screenings will now be every other year?
No thanks to the govt. getting involved in my healthcare decisions. This means now that the insurance companies will stop paying for my annual mammogram…??
prplvette85 11.17.09 at 8:40 am
Juliette 11.17.09 at 12:05 am
prplvette
If I buy a Christmas Tree and set it up in my house instead of a Nativity, which is more popular in Italy, does that mean I worship Evergreen Trees?
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Most Catholics have both. In Italy and in America. But they don’t pray to the tree. I don’t want an argument Juliette. Catholics pray to the virgin mary and all kinds of made up saints to get to their God. My family went to had the same Catholic religion as you do, directed by the Vatican, the same Catholics that take mob money in the name of God, the same Catholics that cover up priests molesting children in the name of God and the same ones that as you say use “artistic” statues to symbolize who they worship. No I am not ignorant. It is also the same Priests, who if you don’t belong to their church, or marry out of the church refuse to baptize a dying child. So don’t call me ignorant. You can choose what ever religion you want. It is a free country, but don’t try to school someone who has seen it first hand.
murphy 11.17.09 at 8:59 am
cannonfire has thought provoking post on this. Aside from what I think is a pretty good idea about how to cut this baby in half, he also quotes these statistics:
“Among evangelical Protestants, 23% support abortion rights and 71% say abortion should be illegal. (No surprise there.) Among those awful, awful Cat-licks, opinion is evenly split: 45% fer, 45% agin. Those numbers mirror the roughly even split we see in the overall population. Yet when liberals and feminists assign blame for atrocities like the Stupak amendment, guess which religious group receives the most venomous insults?
Catholicism. It’s the religion everyone loves to hate!”
Spare me the Feminism Hate joe, but his numbers are good. Nearly all of the Catholics I know are pro-choice, and the ones who aren’t are all pretty old.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/11/abortion-and-single-payer.html
murphy 11.17.09 at 9:02 am
Prple, yup — i know several women personally who quit the church after the priest sex scandal. older women, who devoted large parts of their lives to the church. they did it quietly, didnt make a fuss, and they still believe in the god defined by their religion, but they’ll be damned if they have to go through preverted men to get to god.
prplvette85 11.17.09 at 9:14 am
murphy 11.17.09 at 9:02 am
Prple, yup — i know several women personally who quit the church after the priest sex scandal. older women, who devoted large parts of their lives to the church. they did it quietly, didnt make a fuss, and they still believe in the god defined by their religion, but they’ll be damned if they have to go through preverted men to get to god.
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yes, my mother had the sense to get us out of the church long ago. Being Italian, my family was raised Catholic, all the other members of the family remained in the church.
The story of the child not being baptized, was mine. She was dying in Children’s hospital in LA with a Catholic church right down the street. The priest refused to come. That was 35 years ago. I never set foot in a Catholic church agian, not for a wedding, funeral nothing. Fuck them, their statues,and the little beads they pray to.
murphy 11.17.09 at 9:17 am
{{{{prplevette}}}}}
murphy 11.17.09 at 9:19 am
hey guess what? We were right! The Tea Party-goers were NOT republican operatives. They were pissed off voters. Still are even:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6722358.html
Notyoursweetie 11.17.09 at 9:23 am
NYC tabloids are onto the mammograms, Palin and Bloomberg
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/tabloids-on-palin-bloomberg/
prplvette85 11.17.09 at 9:27 am
Murphy,
funny how we were so right about a lot of things, that are just now coming out in msm. Puma’s ahead of our time
prplvette85 11.17.09 at 9:32 am
Just heard on Fox, that all the numbers of the jobs created, and the districts served by the stimulus money were all wrong. They had States with the number of districts that did not exist. The website recover.com is blaming it on the States. Can’t find link yet.
sistermoon3 11.17.09 at 9:51 am
remember the song, who let those dogs out?
question, if there is supposed to be seperation of church and state, then who let the catholic bishops intervene in the state’s
policies? In other words, who let the dogs in?
murphy 11.17.09 at 10:00 am
America 2.0 posted,
take it upstairs!
bring links.
prplvette85 11.17.09 at 10:00 am
Found a link:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125729438785426663.html
White House Tally Appears to Overstate Stimulus Jobs
The Obama administration said Friday that spending from the $787 billion stimulus program had directly created or saved about 640,000 jobs through Sept. 30. Republicans challenged the claim, saying there was no concrete way to tally jobs “saved.” Less than half the stimulus money has been spent so far.
Ed DeSeve, the senior adviser to President Barack Obama on implementation of the stimulus plan, said Tuesday in a statement responding to questions from the Journal that the administration knew the reports were not “100 percent accurate” but that the plan was supposed “to create jobs, not count them.” He said that even the “approximate” total pointed to “tremendous progress.”
DancesWithPumas 11.17.09 at 10:26 am
pro-life
why are ‘we’ still using the propagandist term “pro-life”??
when the opposition to “pro-life” would be “pro-death”?
-pro-choice [for women] vs. anti-choice [for women]
-pro reproductive rights vs. anti-reproductive rights.
-pro-rights for women vs. anti- rights for women.
-pro-freedom for women vs. anti-freedom for women,
etc.
DancesWithPumas 11.17.09 at 10:50 am
If I buy a Christmas Tree and set it up in my house instead of a Nativity, which is more popular in Italy, does that mean I worship Evergreen Trees?
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No. It means you’re particpating in a Pagan celebration that was stolen by thou-shalt-not-steal-lie christians.
murphy 11.17.09 at 11:04 am
dwp, re: #288 a-yup. It drives me bonkers.
Juliette 11.17.09 at 6:52 pm
prplvett85 #276
I will stand my ground as your statement that Catholics worship statuesIS based in ignorance. It is embarassing to see this kind of bigotry here on the Puma site. I guess you also believe that Catholics are practising cannibalism during Holy Communion.
If you are going to criticize a religion know the facts. I don’t spread lies about Islam, here. Why do insist on defending a lie?
Juliette 11.17.09 at 7:03 pm
Dances #289
Stolen from the pagans?!? I think you mean imposed upon America Christians by secularist who cannot tolerate any true religious representation of the birth of Christ.
Hey, by the way did you ever find that perfect world in which to experience communism?
prplvette85 11.17.09 at 10:23 pm
Juliette 11.17.09 at 6:52 pm
prplvett85 #276
I will stand my ground as your statement that Catholics worship statuesIS based in ignorance. It is embarassing to see this kind of bigotry here on the Puma site. I guess you also believe that Catholics are practising cannibalism during Holy Communion.
If you are going to criticize a religion know the facts. I don’t spread lies about Islam, here. Why do insist on defending a lie?
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I just stated the facts. Furthermore, I never said you spread lies about Islam, so why are you bringing that up? And the cannibalism thing, you’re coming out of left field with that one, Why do you want to continue to argue? You have your opinion, I have mine. If you read the bible it says put no idols before me. Statues are idols.
tell the truth shame the devil.
Supernatural350 11.19.09 at 11:57 pm
All we need now is one with bush as the devil and we have a complete picture lol.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/images/stories/108/FRbush_devil.jpg -that should do for now
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