This Is Not About Grilled Cheese Sandwiches

DWP – pls save me some stickers. Haven’t had time to get $1 stamp yet.
I especially like the Hopey Changey one.

freddiebrown- You can just use a bunch of smaller stamps that add up to $1. That’s what I did!

let’s break it down to fines then, something is NOT right.

Freddie
what Honora said …
3 or 4 stamps on the return envelop does it

I was watching a soap on CBS and they just broke in to show Obama’s speech at Ft. Hood. Not the rest of the memorial service, just Obama’s speech. Unbelievable.

Re: freddiebrown #5 – here’s some information that I’ve not heard elswhere, plus some dissing of the principals….

Pelosi Dances on Health Care’s Grave
What was Speaker Nancy Pelosi thinking as she reveled in the passage of the House’s health care bill? Does she really imagine that this monstrous legislation will improve the lives of most Americans? Does she expect that creating 111 new government bureaucracies and offices will make it easier for most of us to receive medical treatment? Does she think that sharply raising marginal tax rates for our highest-earning citizens and small businesses will spur productivity and hiring?

No, I imagine that she was thrilled by the taste of victory. Somewhere along the way, this push became all about personalities and contest; the original goal of reining in health care costs was abandoned, and the prize at the end became passage of a landmark bill. Nancy Pelosi envisions herself forever sculpted into liberalism’s Mt. Rushmore.

President Obama also has been caught up in the grandeur of the moment. With his usual modesty, he exhorted his colleagues to “answer the call of history.” He said “When I sign this in the Rose Garden, each and every one of you will be able to look back and say “This was my finest moment in politics.” He has been imagining the photo-op; he probably already has his tie picked out.

“Today’s may be a tough vote, but it was in 1935 when we passed Social Security” said Michigan’s John Dingell. (Was he really in the House in 1935?) That aspiration — to profoundly change the way our country works — was what was on the minds of those who voted for this bill. Some who voted “Yea” voiced displeasure with the actual bill, such as Jim Cooper from Tennessee, but held out hope “it will get better in the Senate.” What if it doesn’t? What if, just like Social Security, the emerging health care apparatus ultimately threatens the solvency of the United States?
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Whether you are for or against it, this is truly a monumental disruption of our economy. Once enacted, we will never go backwards. There has never been a social program of this scope that has been rescinded. If unhappy, Americans can vote their legislators out of office but, make no mistake, the damage will have been done. It’s like a neighborhood fighting a 60-story skyscraper. You better kill it before the first shovel goes in the ground.

Liz Peek is a financial columnist. She writes frequently for the Fox Forum and Women on the Web.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/09/liz-peek-pelosi-health-care-dance-grave/

TheAmericanWay –
…Somewhere along the way, this push became all about personalities and contest; the original goal of reining in health care costs was abandoned, and the prize at the end became passage of a landmark bill…..
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I agree with the above. The Obama/Pelosi legacy – it will be etched in history. Fuck the ignorant people – they’ll get what they get. All for healthcare, healthcare for all. Right.

I’m stuck at a show today with my lap top. Thank goodness for internet card – I don’t twiddle thumbs well. Listening to New Roger Waters album (Pink Floyd). So good. Economy sucks big time. I would like to give this business up and vegetate for a while.

Cinie fantasizes women coming together and proclaiming:
No Healthcare, No Vote.

http://cinie.wordpress.com/

Periodtheend.

How many koolaid drinkers will have a”Stupak Epiphany”?

Seems appropos after yesterday’s rather strange blog site outage here at PUMA PAC.
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The outage wasn’t exclusive to Puma Pac, neither was it strange. Although outages happen with much less frequency, they still occur, for a variety of technical reasons that are beyond our control, ISP problems, server maintenance schedules, et al.

Shadowfax

Can’t stand to see him and his wife’s face anymore. I love how they are constantly calling all these interviews with them “exclusive” it’s not so exclusive if they give interviews every damn day.

You know what Dances…nothing personal but listening to someone who loudly proclaims that they are not a feminist, telling feminists and women what to do … is right up there on the top of my list with listening to people who dont vote ; whine about what the voters did to the country … my “I dont want to hear your whiny crap list ” …
I WORKED for the ERA I WORKED for womens reproductive rights .. I carried one of the big bloodied hangers in Washington DC .. I sat with my gay and straight, black, brown, white, and red sisters in those old “rap sessions ” where we hashed out womens issues from the ground up ; I helped the guerilla theater people put together their shock shows, I worked on WOMENS NIGHT ( it was every tuesday ) at the Peoples Free Clinic in Baltimore to provide free health care to women . I have worked with and for planned parenthood ; I have stood by and watched a poor, unmarried , blind African American women with two children already ASK the doctor for information about the timeline for a pregnancy termination, only to be ignored and told her myself what she needed to know under threat of being thrown out of my nursing program . ( I wasn’t , I was the valedictorian )
This fucking assault on womens health care by congress and the sneaker of the house is very personal to me . I have already cried too many tears about this and know too many women that have had illegal abortions and almost died , to worry whether some anti – feminist, anti “ism” idiot thinks some women are too timid , or not . I could give a flying fuck in a rolling donut hole actually . Remember this ?? You are either on the bus or off the bus ?? Some people couldnt recognise a bus if it ran over them . And Dances … women have been thrown under the bus and backed over by BO MO And SNEAKER OF THE HOUSE So please excuse me if I dont waste my time listening worthless crap, and hackneyed ideas . We have work to do to let our “elected officials ” know they are history if this garbage law is enacted into law.

Some Vaguely Heretical Thoughts on Health-Care Reform
by John Cassidy, a liberal at the New Yorker

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2009/11/some-vaguely-heretical-thoughts-on-health-care-reform.html

excerpt: The President is on the verge of fulfilling his campaign pledge to extend health-care coverage to many of the uninsured. He is doing this, however, not by transforming the existing system of private insurance, which gave rise to many of the current problems, but by extending it. The White House has reached a deal with the big health insurers, such as Aetna and CIGNA. In return for the industry’s agreeing to cover people with preëxisting health conditions, and making various other more minor concessions, the government will force more than twenty million new customers into its arms.
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The future cost savings that the Administration and its congressional allies are promising to deliver are based on wishful thinking and sleight of hand. Over time, the reform, as proposed, would almost certainly add substantially to the budget deficit, thereby worsening the long-term fiscal crisis that the country faces.
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What about the proposed cost savings? They, too, are questionable. Most of them consist of reductions in Medicare outlays, which, according to this C.B.O. analysis, would save four hundred and twenty-six billion dollars between 2010 and 2019 compared with current plans.

Democrats Raise Alarms Over Health Bill Costs

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/health/policy/10cost.html?hp

As health care legislation moves toward a crucial airing in the Senate, the White House is facing a growing revolt from some Democrats and analysts who say the bills Congress is considering do not fulfill President Obama’s promise to slow the runaway rise in health care spending.

What does she need 20 assistants for? Hillary who was traveling the world, promoting peace in foreign countries and who was championing health care only had 3. I find it hard to believe our tax dollars need to pay for 20 assistants to throw tablecloths from the 1960’s on her.

#35 LOL!
time to fire up the old sharpener

Swannie 11.10.09 at 4:53 pm

Wow, Swannie! Awomen! Awomen! I hear ya, and I’m with ya!

persephone 11.10.09 at 5:05 pm

Yep. Where were these ’some D’s’ last freakin’ Saturday when this monstrosity of a bill was being debated and voted on? Were they spending hours on the phone calling their Representatives or at their computers for hours e-mailing them urging a no vote on this train wreck for the American economy and American women?

Swannie, you got beef with me, at least have the decency to woman up and tell me to my face, or keep your opinions to yourself. You don’t like me, don’t read me. I don’t trash you personally, extend me the same courtesy…Sister.

Oh, and the “I am not a feminist” stuff? No, I don’t accept that label, but, ain’t I a woman, too?

Swannie 11.10.09 at 5:20 pm

Maybe to MO (given her well-known disdain for America and Americans) this is a party? (Oops, sorry if that’s too cynical…NOT)

NikkisMom 11.10.09 at 5:11 pm

Every Representative who voted for this bill needs to be greeted in their districts this week by thousands of women demonstrating their anger at having Roe v. Wade surreptitiously overturned by HR3962 and the ‘Stupid Prick’ (H/T Pers for the rename!) Amendment. And, they need to be greeted by thousands of e-mails and phone calls to their district offices telling them exactly what women think of this so-called ‘historic’ bill!

#28 Swannie
I take it you won’t be reading Cinie’s post then.

thank you for all the work you’ve done and all the work you do.

CJK I thought of that … you just typed it right out of my head

Dances, you are so very welcome … I wish I didn’t feel like so much of it was in vain , now . I just feel like women have been sold down the fucking river, and all the while we PUMAS have been warning people to little avail . I hope some of them are waking up … because we just cannot allow 30 years of work to amount to next to nothing .

shouldve
Ok, that meakes sense. I guess I was so gobsmacked that Amy Sisking might be suggesting that they would accept a Palin Presidencey (even tongue in cheek), I thought I must have been reading it wrong.

Swannie 11.10.09 at 5:36 pm

This is why I continue to believe (despite being shot down every time I say so) that women need their own party. What better time than now to try to gather women together under their own new women’s party? Women’s outrage at this bill/amendment is spreading like wildfire across the blogosphere. It’s obvious that neither major party — nor the WH or Congress — represents (or will ever represent if we continue the status quo) women’s equality, freedoms or rights. Our issues will always be used by the current system as carrots and sticks for votes. IMO, it’s past time to stop pretending that we can assure women’s equality, freedoms and rights by working through/within this broken, corrupt, patriarchal system. A party of our own would empower us to add a desperately needed new dimension to the entire process and national dialogue. Gotta go. BBL.

Brava, Murphy! Dead on!

Oh, and can I first add that it feels like wading through quicksand, trying to keep up these days?

I just saw the disheartening headline elsewhere that polls show that any generic conservative will beat Snowe in ME. I didn’t read it yet…no clue if it’s because she’s a woman, but that would be a safe bet these days, hm?

#2 and #3

Ditto to dances…great post, thanks again, Murphy, and thanks for post #2, also.

Zee 11.10.09 at 6:05 pm

Zee, I believe the opposition to Snowe is because her vote was the lone GOP vote that enabled the hc bill to get out of committee in the Senate.

Oops, maybe I should have a profanity warning on all my posts because I’m that pissed off with all the crap from the last two weeks..!

CJK, ooo! Me, too…I hated that obligatory “did not like” disclaimer. Her loss.

#18 freddiebrown…trade show? :::sigh::: the economy does suck. But I tell you, I want to vegetate, too… and then start a new business!!

The problem is… innovation is killed when we don’t have time to veg and regroup, but are constantly stressed to keep head above water. Imperialist pigs love that, tho…a citizenry too broke and exhausted to examine and hold accountable the chiselers posing as public servants.

Hiya Dragonfly!!
A few commenters mentioned it but I haven’t verified it for myself yet.

Hey, Dances. I may not have time this evening to verify, but definitely interested!

Wtfc!!! Have the Clintons lost it?? Have the basturds threatened to kill Chelsea?? Is Bill serious!? This Bill is toxic Bill ALL OF IT!! I am pasr exploding I am revolting….I will vote for a grasshopper before ever a Dem again!!! Maybe that’s what you want us to do Bill?
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Bill Clinton urges passage of health care bill
Former president calls reform “an economic imperative

updated 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – Former President Bill Clinton told anxious Senate Democrats on Tuesday to pass a health care bill soon because the U.S. economy can’t resist the toxic combination of exorbitant medical costs and nearly 50 million uninsured for much longer.

“My argument was that this is an economic imperative,” Clinton said after the closed-door meeting.

Addressing Democrats’ insecurities about the complex legislation, Clinton said he told the senators “there is no perfect bill — you’ll always have unintended consequences. There will be amendments to this next year. But the worst thing to do is nothing.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33824081/ns/politics-health_care_reform

Dragonfly

Yes, someone posted , or I read, a document listing Hasan’s name as attending some hoemland security transition team – I’ll post it – am still looking for it

There will be amendments to this next year. But the worst thing to do is nothing.”
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Holy crap there is more!!!?

Bill Clinton is not alone in this…I can’t remember which woman rep wrote about this, but it was on a site called “The Hill” or something similar…a policy wonk site.

The point she made was that the HOUSE should vote this bill in, in order to water down and weed out the insupportable parts later on…apparently, there will be something she called the “final final” bill, and that’s the one she vowed not to vote for if Stupid-Pitts was still on it.

Sorry…have been too busy to obsessive read up on this as I would like to.

Dragonfly

Courtesy of Persephone here is the link to Hasan pssibly being on Obama’s Homeland Security Transition team.
page 34:

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf

55 dances…oh, why stop? Isn’t more like 150 years? Or from day one, over 200 years? Didn’t Abigail Adams entreat the founding FATHERS to “remember the ladies?”

56 CJK, I feel like Alice fallen down the rabbit hole…you’re beginning to make sense even to me, who is allergic to the phrase “third” party…

HP… I think Citizens for Legitimate Government might have a run down on all the Hasan “oddities.”

ohh we ran into each other…sorry scuse me..pardon.

81 persephone…I agree completely.

But just look at how their social advisers left them scrambling last minute for JUNK from the WH tourist trap shop when their distinguished guests from England brought thoughtful and historically appropriate gifts for the new supposed First Couple of our entire nation. Inexcusable.

There have been admin spokesperson all over the tv recently implying that the hc will get ‘adjusted’ (my word) or somehow improved and expanded later. I think all Obama’s supporters think they know something that we don’t and they are in on the ‘plan’. They may be getting punked.

RememberNovember

I think that if this HC bill passes then the Stupak amendment will pass without a doubt. That’s why I am really hoping by some miracle that the senate does not pass this bill.

((HP)) – were you ’scusing me? No problem – great minds think alike even if they can’t remember where they put it!!

OK, gonna go brave Dobbs…later, PUMAs!

Zee

Dobbs isn’t too bad. I found him to be the only fair one on CNN during the primaries.

CJK

Ditto. And it’s not as if either of the Clinton’s roles have anything to do with having to promote this damned bill.

Oh…I just turned on CNN…Michelle’s arms were covered!

Also, Zero had a haircut, super-close to a shave. No gray. Will be interested to see if the gray comes back as it grows back out, or if they’ve started him on that Grecian Formula for men. Hahaha! That dates me, I’m sure.

Anybody have a link to Dobbs? I’m without TV programming, so have to try to view via computer. Thanks.

CJK – I agree – Scrap the Crap

I doubt if this will hit the MSM pages but heard this story several places today:
Don’t know this site but it accurately reports what I heard earlier:

http://rawstory.com/2009/11/feds-wanted-data-visitors-news-site/

Privacy watchdog Electronic Frontier Foundation has released an extensive report on a “bogus” attempt by a US attorney in Indiana to get Indymedia.us, an independent left-leaning news site, to hand over all the data it had about all the users who visited the site on a particular day.

Further adding to civil libertarians’ and privacy watchdogs’ concerns is the fact that the Justice Department ordered Indymedia to keep silent about the request.

“This overbroad demand for internet records not only violated federal privacy law but also violated [Indymedia's] First Amendment rights, by ordering [it] not to disclose the existence of the subpoena without a US attorney’s permission,” the EFF’s Kevin Bankston wrote.

And while Indymedia is an unabashedly left-wing news site, advocating causes such as gay rights and anti-globalization, some of the site’s defenders in the wake of the subpoena controversy are right-wing pundits who are drawing a parallel between the Indymedia case and the war of words between the White House and Fox News.

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BigCatLover 11.10.09 at 7:23 pm

Thanks, BCL. Will try again. If not successful, will have to read a recap here. Hope some PUMAs are watching. Thanks again.

Social-Psyche
Are women full citizens, or not? The Democrats hem & haw and say Sorry ladies, not today. Republicans barely can say the word “woman” much less in a context of human and constitutional rights.

I’m an independent, unhyphenated American woman. Sez me, Murphy’s post nails it. This is about our rights under a Constitution that *should* include us– yet does not, and will not, until the ERA is passed into law, enforced from top to bottom,
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Yup, I was wondering if I missed something, since the only right women have in the constitution is the right to vote. That is why we need the ERA passed in 3 more states….

—-1. The Equal Rights Amendment is needed to affirm constitutionally that the bedrock principles of our democracy – “all men are created equal,” “liberty and justice for all,” “equal justice under law,” “government of the people, by the people, and for the people” – apply equally to women.

In principle:

It is necessary to have specific language in the Constitution affirming the principle of equal rights on the basis of sex because for more than two centuries, women have had to fight long and hard political battles to win rights that men (at first certain white men, eventually all men) possessed automatically because they were male. The first – and still the only – right that the Constitution specifically affirms equally for women and men is the right to vote. Alice Paul introduced the ERA in 1923 to expand that affirmation to all the rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/why.htm

New York is gonna be broke like California:

Paterson: NYS Will Be Broke Before Christmas
Delivers Scary News To Legislature, Says Only Way To Fix Problem Is To Have Immediate Cuts To Education, Hospitals

http://wcbstv.com/cbs2crew/david.paterson.special.2.1300362.html

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Two of our largest states are falling. Too bad obots, no free rent, tv nor gas this Holiday. You voted for the inexperienced, fraud…big blue states are in the front of the line and first to fall.

“An unfortunate event”? WTF? This asshole hits a woman so hard that the “workers in the back” heard it, and he gets released without bail? Damn – what a fucktard – a Columbia “professor” no less.

Professor busted for punching a girl

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/prof_busted_in_columbia_gal_punch_JmsXQ3NzaAt8uG6uUySGTN
A prominent Columbia architecture professor punched a female university employee in the face at a Harlem bar during a heated argument about race relations, cops said yesterday.

Police busted Lionel McIntyre, 59, for assault yesterday after his bruised victim, Camille Davis, filed charges.

McIntyre and Davis, who works as a production manager in the school’s theater department, are both regulars at Toast, a popular university bar on Broadway and 125th Street, sources said.

Ooooh don’t – can’t stand ticks

Shadow – in some respects once more women realize what the Stupak amendment really means and we educate them about the rights they do not have in this country perhaps this will be a blessing for the ERA. I think it is an opportunity on one front and an absolute necessity on another.

NikkisMom

That is disgusting! WTF is this world coming to?

(((RemNov)))

Made sense to me…

DWP (89)— Running to hide… I promise to cut my hair, when I feel 40! Just turned 52 and it hasn’t happened yet.

RememberNovember 11.10.09 at 8:23 pm

Can anyone explain why the Ft. Hood shooter, who was presumably under scrutiny by U.S. national security organizations at the time, was even invited to participate in the proceedings of the George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Indstitute event called “Thinking Anew — Security Priorities for the Next Administration”? Also, this overall transition effort by the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute apparently went on from April, 2008 through the proceedings of this event in May, 2009. This began well before anyone presumably had any idea who would win election in Nov., 2008 (in fact, before anyone knew who would win the D primary). Yet, some of the wording in the intro seems to indicate that the institute seemed to ‘know’ there would be a D in the WH, and that the ‘lexicon’ for discussing Muslims would be changed. Questions: Is a transition effort always started this far in advance? Who actually invited the participants? (I’m not impressed by the work of this institute. JMHO.)

#131 – pulling up my hair in a pony tail….

John Allen Muhammad – the DC Sniper – DEAD

GOOD!
Goddamned freak.

No, Goofs…
not youre kind of style…
You know, those who never got over th eattention of their looooong hair when the were twelve

Mixed about this one… Happy he got jail time…. pissed that it was only 10 years…

10 years for polygamist sect member in sex assault:

ELDORADO, Texas — The first polygamist sect member to face criminal trial following the raid of a West Texas ranch was sentenced to 10 years in prison Tuesday for sexually assaulting an underage girl with whom he had a so-called “spiritual marriage.”

Jurors who last week convicted Raymond Jessop, 38, handed down the sentence that includes an $8,000 fine. His attorneys had sought probation for the conviction that could have brought him up to 20 years in prison.
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Of course they are planning an appeal… Jessop still has other charges to face. Barbarian freak!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hBU8uyQITnik8O4KnPAr1aXka0PAD9BT1RK80

psst Murphy, I don’t think Dances means you…

murphy 11.10.09 at 10:11 pm

Murphy, you look beautiful just as you are! I had a very dear friend (a talented, self-supporting, independent graphic artist/designer with her own studio at home, a single mom raising a son). When I met her she had the most gorgeous long blonde hair. Always looked professional, neat, tidy, sophisticated; certainly did not look like a case of arrested development. IMO, she always looked absolutely lovely. She finally gave in to one of her male companions and cut and died her hair. It gave her a hard-edged look that was not appropriate to her. Her life took a definite turn for the worse afterwards. Be who you are, not who someone else says you should be. Just sayin.’

Make that ‘cut and dyed her hair.’ Good grief…

CJK,

… Ah don’t feel ignored… I post stuff all the time, I know people see it, kinda all that matters…

As far as long hair in the more mature of women… I know exactly what Dances was talking about, just had to rib a little… I have seen my share of “arrested development hair” and I want to include the whole “arrested development look”… Scary!

Murphy… Just got in…take a look…. HC what Hillary wanted to do… what do you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsIt6cds5X4 Thanks….

Here is another… A must watch…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0v0lm7vdB0&feature=related Thank You….

WRT appearances, I keep up mine because my hairstyle is a real classic that is always “done”: I love my Medusa `Do and I’m sticking with it.

Murphy, I don’t know if you want new links to only blogs specifically or if website links in general are also OK… but the current wonderful digression on hair etc. reminded me of a blurb I just saw at Miscellani’s “Portal of The Two Moons” page at my friends’ new feminist blog–

http://www.ilcorpodelledonne.net/?page_id=91
Women’s Bodies / Il corpo delle donne
a documentary film by feminist Lorella Zanardo
This project…started with the observation that women–real women–are an endangered species on television, one that is being replaced by a grotesque, vulgar and humiliating representation. We sensed the enormity of this loss: the erasure of women’s identity is happening right before our eyes, but without a proper reaction, not even from women themselves. This led us to select television images that share a common manipulative exploitation of the woman’s body, to let people know what is happening…especially those who watch it but “don’t see.”

Maybe you would consider links here to either/both sites…?

Yes! Murphy you are soooooooooo right…. Absolutely above his pay grade! Clueless!!! Freaking Fraud…. and, yes goofsmom ‘Yea, Hillary… We need you!!!!

murphy 11.10.09 at 10:49 pm

Hey Murphy. Maybe the movie was filmed at the salon you saw!? It was filmed in the northeast. I go with reason #2: god created the internet so women could organize themselves into a unified bloc. I would add ‘powerful’ unified bloc! Thanks for helping in that effort!

I have to be honest… I would NOT hire ( BO with his experience… NOT) to poop scoop my backyard or cat boxes…. I have higher standards and qualifications when I hire a pet sitter…. Oh, the Fraud has a big ‘ZERO’ no qualifications for anything other than, smoking pot or doing drugs, lying and the Bullshit goes on and on….. What a sad day in America… Really…. What a freaking piece of kick to the curb piece of crap!!! Oh, I got a self addressed, self stamped envelope from Barbara Boxer herself wanting $$$$$$$ because she is concerned with Carly Forinia…. I sent it back with a copy of two bumpersticker… NOBAMA and I don’t have any change left in my pocket.. Oh, and I said No Boxer in 2010 she voted for BO and supports the current HC criminal Bill…. Well, I will NOT support YOU!!!!!!!!!! Enough already…. I mean it Never again… Did I mention I am a Scorpio…. When a Scorpio has had enough…. One NEVER goes back…. NEVER….

Casper Cat,

Love it !!! Wish I could be a fly on the wall when they open it… hehehe… I know she had aides that open her mail but what a stir it will cause…

Have we missed your bday?

Yes, eggsactly. I found Zanardo’s film, and the English version no less, only because Miscellani’s Two Moons page told me about her work.

Btw a link to Puma PAC is on that same miscellani.org page, so you’re in good company.

Wow, Social-Psyche, that is a great video at the link in #152! Thank you. Just some quotes that particularly impressed me:

“Why aren’t all Italian women [I would add ALL women] in the streets protesting the way they are represented?”

“The truth is removed [about women's appearances] and replaced with a mask.”

“The woman appears to fulfill men’s every wish, and renounces the possibility to be an equal ‘other.’”

“Being authentic is a fundamenmtal right of being human.”

This documentary is an indictment of all popular media’s portrayal of women as cookie-cutter ‘Stepford Wives,’ a portrayal that strips each woman of her individual identity and personhood, essentially making her ‘disappear’ as an authentic, complex, unique person, so that she becomes merely a mass-produced object for men’s consumption.

CJK in #166:

A male documentary filmmaker, Erik Gandini, also has contributed to the discussion, from a different angle:

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=48442
“Women Are Not Wallpaper”
A documentary titled Videocracy by Erik Gandini shows the face of Italian television, about 90 percent of which is controlled by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi through his private media empire Mediaset and the state television RAI.[...] Gandini talks about the humiliating use of women’s bodies on screen and the brainwashing Italians have been subject to for three decades by Berlusconi’s TV empire.
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IPS: The film shows very hard images of women. What do you think of the role of women in Italy? Why do you think Italian women do not rebel?

EG: In entering the world of Italian television, I reveal women as wallpaper, not as thinking human beings with their own will. I have two daughters, and if they grew up thinking their body is an instrument to reach success in Italy, I’d suffer an endless sadness.

The time has come for Italian women to get furious and change the situation. [etcetera]

For someone who did not want H.R. Clinton to be his vice-president because President Clinton would be to involved with the White House and there can only be one president at a time yade yade ya… I find it amazing how Obama constantly telephones President Clinton for his advice, how he meets him for luncheons to pick his brain, and now how he probably pleaded with President Clinton to address the Senate about the Health Care bill. I find it just too comical!

simo
Thank you!
and Happy Veterans Day

TerryDo,

Yep, pretty amazing… but I’m glad he didn’t pick Hillary and have Bill that available. Now, we can see everytime he calls out for President Clintons help.. instead of sneaking into a side room at the WH.

(((simofish)))

You have mail….

CJK in #173:

women here also need to ‘repossess the visual language’ of TV and films in order to empower/re-empower ourselves as authentic individual human beings.

And at the same time, CJK, we’ll break that sexist-sadistic-corporatist use of subliminal messages, superficial sight gags, body parts etc. that has stunted our society and reduced our visual language to screams and grunts.

TerryDo 11.11.09 at 12:06 am

Hi TerryDo! It’s an excellent interview. I believe Gandini is furious and is trying to change the situation for women by making films such as ‘Videocracy.’ He has two daughters, and doesn’t want them to be brainwashed by the Burlosconi/state-run media into believing their bodies must conform to the images of women presented there in order to be successful as people. I do agree that men need to be as furious as women about women’s portrayal by the media, and certainly must help change this. Thanks.

‘Night lovely, wonderful PUMAs everywhere. Pleasant dreams.

TerryDo in #175:

“What I say to you Mr. Gandini is that the time has come for Italian men to get furious and change the situation for women also”.

Maybe I’m just a cockeyed pessimist, TerryDo.

I have no such expectation or, ahem, hope of men anywhere, as a group, giving up their entrenched male privilege and dominance, and just handing half their power to women in a nice & neat gift-wrapped package.

TerryDo, women will have to take back our fair share of power. That means men will lose some of what they call “theirs”– which is probably the only such change that will make men furious.

“Women don’t live in a vacumn and most men have been the contributors to these monstrosities perpetrated upon women.”

In fairness to Erik Gandini, the context of both his film and his interview is Berlusconi’s monopoly of the media. Both women and men live under that monopoly, but Gandini recognizes how much women have lost. He points to Berlusconi as chief monster manipulator of images that degrade women. He does not seem to be letting all other men off the hook, BICBW.

Social-Psyche and CJK

The simple problem with men is that they do not want their daughters, wives or girlfriends to look like or act like those young ladies in the documentary. However they will watch those television stations and support the advertisersm while truly believing they have their female family members protected.

The simple truth about most men is that they love sex and they receive their sexual pleasures from women and women are all very tantalizing and irresistible to them…

The dilemma is that we are sexual beings and sex is one of the pleasures of mankind and it sells.
I find it odd that when a Madame runs a home, which is illegal gets caught, she is arrested thrown into jail and yet the Larry Flynt’s of the world get to use the Constitution, as their given right to freedom of speech to exploit and degrade women.

But the reality is our fathers, brothers, uncles, grandfathers, boyfriends et.al enjoy watching women’s exploits on TV, movies and they will not stop it because they believe it is someone else’s daughter and thus it does not affect them.

So, until men get furious and change the situation along with women, there will be little change.

TerryDo,

Very well stated… thank you…

As it is now clear that both Bill and Hillary Clinton support H.R.3962 and have congratulated congress and O’Bullshit for pushing this 70 billion dollar give away to the insurance companies that will be a death sentence for people who depend on their biologic drugs one day becoming available in affordable generic form, am I still supposed to kneel at the alter of the Clintons? Did they both just buy a shit load of health insurance stocks recently? Has anybody been watching Healthcare stocks soar the last wo days? Healtcare my ass. This was a sellout!
If we cannot call out our leaders, even the ones we have supported, we are no better than those brain dead Obotts I encountered when I infiltrated Orginize For America.
The Clintons could have at least stayed silent on this issue rather than support congress’s sell out. They could have danced around the questions as politicians always do.
Yes Hillary Clinton is doing the best she possibly can as SOS in this terrorist loving Shar-iah compliant administration. I acknowledge and support her past and present efforts for human rights and childdren. But for both Clintons to sing the praises of the passage of this piece of crap Healthless Care bill is unaceptable. People will die becuase of this bill. Everything about it stinks.

Puma-SF posted an excellant link @ #85 to an interview with Dennis Kucinich (who voted NO on HR3962) and Jane Hamsher on Democracy Now.
I supported Kucinich in the 2004 democratic primary. He is probably the only elected democrat left that isn’t afraid to stand up to the Obama-Pelosi dictatorship. Unfortunately he does not reach the height requirement for the democratic nomination and will probably never be the party’s (choice.) But he has a lot of guts, like Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Ralph Nader and John McCain, who disagree on many issues but are not afraid to call fraud fraud no matter what party it exists in.
Listen and learn Bill and Hillary:
This is how you hold your party accountable:

Link also available @ #85

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/9/house_passes_healthcare_bill_with_amendment

Social-Psyche,

Excellent points as well… Thank you..

goofsmom #187

Your a class act.
I know that my comments often anger and befuddle you. But I think you are a fine example of an American citizen, and I will always respect you for that.

Happy Veterans Day America.
And may God keep you, our brave men and women safe and strong as you defend this great nation.

damn!

I missed Social Psyche and she was doing her Helen Reddy!

Why oh why is this bill being shoved at us in this form and then that form and with this and that in it, but it will come out…does Bill know something about this bill we don’t?
Are they going to own the insurane companies in the end bill? Punk the Pharma guys? Who the hell know what will end up in this freaking bill, but I KNOW it will suck!!!

Clinton Pays Visit, But Healthcare Bill Not Likely This Year
Former President Bill Clinton traveled to Capitol Hill Tuesday to push his colleagues to do something he could not do in 1993-94 — pass a healthcare overhaul bill.

It was clear that Clinton still has the power to mezmerize Dems. Sen. Ben Cardin, D-MD, emerged positively bubbling over with effusive praise of the former president.

A number of participants afterward said Clinton urged them to complete a bill ASAP, because if they do not they will become defined by the defeat.

The former president, a student of politics, told his fellow Dems that ‘not getting it done is not a good political option’ — and that if they do get it done, ‘The public will see the sky didn’t fall down.’ Cardin said the later was a “near quote.”

It seems almost impossible for Congress to get a bill to President Obama’s desk this year. Members will be off for the rest of the week in observance of Veteran’s Day. The Senate’s number 2 Dem, Dick Durbin of Illinois, told reporters, “Our goal is to make sure it is out of the Senate this year…I wish we could complete it this year. But if we don’t, we will get it done.”

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/11/10/bill-clintons-visit/

HP #198 – I think they’re throwing out the headlines of “not likely this year”, to lull the public into a false sense of security during the holidays so they will stand down, then they’re going to pull a Saturday vote like the house did last weekend.

Something’s up and I don’t trust them. They would rather pass a piece of shit bill and “win”, than do what’s right for the People.

the hell with the constitution

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/to_hell_with_the_constitution.html

this totally summarizes how i feel about Obama

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/when_our_military_is_attacked.html

If you honestly think it’s just peachy to fine people for not having health insurance, please say “I second that”

when the Iranians start playing with their nukes, Hillary can say “I told you so”

The US has also quietly reversed it’s (wrong) position on the Zelaya situation.
Again, HRC can say “I told you so”-b/c she did.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/11/senate-dems-aim-curb-feds-powers/\

i suggest that these two guys be sent to a medical facility and be put on xanax or valium immediately, they actually do think they are running the country and not the people, funny how after they shoved the stimulus bills through, the omnibus bill, and what the hell ever else oh yeah a healthcare bill that doesnt help women, just people with a dick and balls, they now want to restructure everything. Me thinks they have gone mad with power just like their dear precious leader. Where were they when some other president was seeking regulations? What a bunch of hypocrites. And, of course it’s another 1,000 plus pages that no one will probably get to see. I think we are in a crisis alright, it’s called, a governemtn takeover crisis.

all right one more then i have to go find my amelia goggles

Freedom to Confuse
By David Harsanyi

“If liberals are so disturbed by Congress’ dictating whether abortion is a legitimate health care issue or not, it only makes sense that they should be equally troubled by government management of other health care decisions.

Undoubtedly, this is zealously naive thinking on my part. Reaching such a conclusion demands a modicum of consistency. And as we’ve seen, health care “reform” is an ideological crusade immune from logic.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/11/freedom_to_confuse_99102.html

I leave you with another big fat “DUH” for anyone who thought we could trust these f*ckers wiht health care to begin with!

Everyone say it to every one! say it all day every day! say vote the bums out! paste it on your back…they are not listening to us. We will vote them all out in 11 months! I get to vote against the Dems in January it will feel good for my health! Fuck em………….walk away.
My rage is real…where is yours???
VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!

I am angry that our good soldiers are being killed on their own bases in America. Veteran’s all across America must be
crying today. I am. Terrorists are in their midsts with guns!

It makes no sense to grant even further power to men through such expectations of them. Twiddling thumbs Until Men Change is a non-starter.

I can understand a sort of “Gee, wouldn’t it be nice if men joined us…” but I wouldn’t spend more than 2 seconds on it before kicking myself back to reality.

Focus on women. Da menz will take care of themselves, you can bank on that much.
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Exactly

Clinton argued that even “the most cold-hearted person” ought to support health care reform simply from an economic standpoint. He reminded Democrats of the political momentum their failure to pass reform in 1993 delivered the House of Representatives to the Republicans the following year.

“The point I want to make is: Just pass the bill, even if it’s not exactly what you want,” Clinton told Democrats. “When you try and fail, the other guys write history.”

LISTEN: President Clinton talks health care on the Hill

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said Clinton described the ongoing tea party protests against the Democratic agenda as a sign their party was making progress.

Whitehouse quoted Clinton arguing: “The reason the tea-baggers are so inflamed is because we are winning.”
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1109/clinton_we_are_winning_c3243bd1-33d6-42a7-ab70-5bae329fdc6e.html

I guess I can understand why BC feels this way since the media is still yammering on about the Clinton hc bill being defeated, but it was defeated because the repubs were determined to make his admin fail in every way because he was so intelligent and popular and they had to stop his admin from succeeding on anything. But the repubs failed to achieve this.

More about Clinton;s speech:
He stressed to Democrats that they can always go back and retool initiatives and amend whatever overhaul they pass, calling it, “a big complex organic thing.”

“There is no perfect bill because there are always unintended consequences, so there will be amendments to this effort,” Clinton said he told Democrats, “whatever they pass next year and the year after and the year after.”

And as if the Clinton-Obama dynamic needed any more of a spotlight, the former president’s cell phone started ringing as he finished speaking to reporters.

“It’s my secretary of state calling,” he said.

“because there are always unintended consequences”

..and in this case those could be devastating to our economy. What happens when future illegal immigrants find out that the U.S. is offering them “free health care”. There’ll be a stampede at the borders.

No easy way out for dems on abortion:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29393.html

More on the history of Waffles playing both sides of an issue.

sistermoon3 11.11.09 at 10:38 am

we are a country who got rid of, or at least shut the fucking
KKK up and made them go hide in dark corners where they should be.
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No our Country did not get rid of the KKK, the KKK is still alive and not hiding.

My rage is real…where is yours???
VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!

I need to get the “magic” marker out for the above to be written all over it!!!

HP Boston 11.11.09 at 11:05 am
My rage is real…where is yours???
VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!
I need to get the “magic” marker out for the above to be written all over it!!!
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I hear ya HP, wish I was rich, I would buy billboards all over the U.S.
VOTE THE BUMS OUT!
VOTE WOMEN IN
ISLAM SUCKS
IMPEACH OBAMA

DUH….I need to get the “magic” marker out for the above to be written all over my white tee shirt!!!

“O” race relationship healing Not working real well.

Black Prof hits WHITE WOMEN over “white privilege”.

“A prominent Columbia architecture professor punched a female university employee in the face at a Harlem bar during a heated argument about race relations, cops said yesterday.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/prof_busted_in_columbia_gal_punch_JmsXQ3NzaAt8uG6uUySGTN

Camille Paglia is certifiable! It is OBAMACARE! Pelousy is a tool!!

BBL can’t stomach any more of this utter bullshit that is running down the leg of this admin and its lap dogs…they should lick faster!!!

Pelosi’s hard-won, trench-warfare win sets a new standard for U.S. women politicians and is certainly well beyond anything the posturing but ineffectual Hillary Clinton has ever achieved.
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what? if it wasn’t for the earmarks and money and backing in the next elections from o’fraud, this would have never got passed. What a bunch of bullshit. Nancy on your knees Pelosi is no Hillary Clinton.

if it weren’t for Hillary Clinton,
they would have had no idea on how to get a healthcare bill passed. who the fuck are they trying to kid? this shit really pisses me off. How can people be so fucking gullible?

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16738
Timeline of events
Profile of Major Nidal Malik Hasan
By Doug Hagmann Wednesday, November 11, 2009

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/PDF/NEINHasanProfile.pdf

Northeast Intelligence Network
http://www.HomelandSecurityUS.com
Subject ProfileAmerica’s largest military base.

Reposting because it’s way back in the thread….
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Happy Veterans Day

To Puma Veterans and Active Duty, all Puma family’s of Veterans and Active Duty Military and to every Puma who has had a loved one that has served.

THANK YOU ALL

Social-Psyche

http://www.ilcorpodelledonne.net/?page_id=91
Women’s Bodies / Il corpo delle donne
a documentary film by feminist Lorella Zanardo
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That is one great video, makes me so freakin’ upset and know it is destroying women’s self image………….
I was born soon enough to see tv come in to American’s homes…my first tv program was Mickey Mouse. Ed Sulivan, watching the Beatles with my folks saying, these boys need to cut their hair!

What a tool of degradation it has been over the years for women, no wonder young people voted for the ‘trim black’ man over the more qualified, wonderful Hillary. They find little substance in themselves, appearance is everything. A woman that has some wrinkles, a little extra weight beyond Barbie is someone to tear down and make fun of. Bitter knitters.

This is a generality of course, but look how many got mad at the Fraud for wearing ‘mom’ jeans.

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My hat is off to our vets and all that have died for our country.