That’s Violet Sox’s line, and it’s a good one. So, can someone please answer this question: If the Democrats won’t stand up for women, why should women stand up for the Democrats?
The Stupak Amendment:
Here’s the Roll Call on the vote. Sixty four Democrats voted for it. The obama Democratic party has now proven itself to be so profoundly anti-woman that I’m beginning to think the jackass wasn’t just talking about Hillary when he used 99 Problems But a Bitch Aint One as his campaign song.
In terms of the bill itself, as someone whose opinion I respect greatly put it, “Big fat government is here to stay and from here on in they will make your most intimate decisions-to the tune of 20% of your pretax income!”
Dakinkat wants a new Woman’s Party. Coming at it from a slightly different angle, Uppity says: “Prepare to support a whole lot of unwanted babies with your tax dollars!” I’m not sure how realistic that is since not many abortions were being paid for by insurance anyway. Public insurance (Medicare, Medicaid) has NEVER covered abortions, so the women poor enough to NEED help paying for abortion services weren’t getting it to begin with. Anyway, the point isn’t really about counting how many more or fewer abortions there may be under this or that regulation. The point is
WHY THE HELL DO AMERICAN WOMEN NOT HAVE A CRITICAL MASS OF POWER IN WASHINGTON D.C. TO PROTECT EVEN BASIC FREEDOMS???
How freaking pathetic are we as a voting bloc for christ’s sake?
For a much needed laugh, check THIS out at TGW:
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admin 11.08.09 at 2:21 pm
Someone downstairs asked how many women in congress voted for the Stupak Amendment.
the answer is, out of 240 YES votes for Stupak, 221 Men voted in favor of limiting women’s reproductive privacy, along with 19 women who also voted in favor.
There are 74 women in the House. 19 of them voted against women’s freedom.
Do the Math:
25% of the women voted against women’s freedom.
61% of the men voted against women’s freedom.
Every time, every place, every where: Women stand up for Women and Men DO NOT.
this is NOT about women being their own worst enemies. This is about men being women’s enemies.
CJK 11.08.09 at 2:31 pm
Hi, Murphy. Respectfully, if 25 percent of the women we elect to Congress are going to vote against women’s freedom, how can we realistically say ‘women stand up for women every time, every place, every where’? and how can we realistically support every woman candidate without first thoroughly researching her stand on the issues of vital importance to women? I don’t ever say or believe that women are ‘their own worst enemies,’ and will never say it. But, I don’t necessarily believe all men are women’s enemies. I think what happened yesterday is about our entire current government being women’s worst enemies, and, in fact, being all Americans’ worst enemies. I’ll mail my contribution via snail mail tomorrow. Thanks for all you continue to do, Murphy! I wish you’d run for Congress!
Rancho 11.08.09 at 2:34 pm
The someone was me, Murphy
I do agree . . . because their numbers DO make a statement
“this is NOT about women being their own worst enemies. This is about men being women’s enemies.”
BUT
the few women reps. we have need to be held accountable too. They have the added burden of NOT giving in to the boys club, and representing all women. I can’t understand WHY they wouldn’t unless for personal religious convictions? It dumbfounds me, like the 15 women who voted to cosponsor Arnold Palmer’s Congressional medal but not Alice Paul’s!
(I’m just curious why
CJK 11.08.09 at 2:35 pm
P.S. I have male offspring who believe completely in women’s freedom (including reproductive decisions), as well as several former male partners who believe the same. I’ve carefully educated every one of them. Current partner is, unfortunately, still in learning mode.
Rancho 11.08.09 at 2:40 pm
Thank you Murphy, for your wonderful work and all that you do for PUMA.
You keep our fires burning!
Repost to you FLbarbara from below. I wanted to make sure you saw it.
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((Flbarbara)))
“Kudos to them for doing so”
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I didn’t see that part, just saw what looked like Obama’s twin, listened a bit then had to turn it off. I guess I just overreacted from the day, and that is GOOD that Larry King was addressing domestice violence! I do agree with you
I just couldn’t stomach any sympathy for Obama via his brother. MY problem at that moment and time.
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Really gotta go. Will try to check in later.
CJK 11.08.09 at 2:43 pm
LeeinUSA 11.08.09 at 5:09 am
Thanks to LeeinUSA for the list of all House members who voted for the bill last night. I’m printing the list, carrying it with me wherever I go, and committing myself to work against their re-election. I’m cross checking to confirm whether those who voted for the ‘Stupid’ Amendment are the same as those who voted for the bill (presumably, it’s the same list). For me, this is not negotiable. Every Representative who voted for this bill/this amendment is deliberately, wrongheadedly voting against the best interests of women and all Americans in order to sycophantically serve the Fraud occupying the WH to try to ensure their political survival. In fact, they have just ensured their certain political demise.
admin 11.08.09 at 2:53 pm
sorry, what I meant to say is: Women ALWAYS stand up for women more than men stand up for women.
Women are not simply more likely than men to stand up for women, they are WAAAAY more likely than men to stand up for women.
FLBarbara 11.08.09 at 2:58 pm
Snips from Obama letter about History making HC bill.
In one breathe he says
“Each “yes” vote was a brave stand, backed up by countless hours of knocking on doors, outreach in town halls and town squares, millions of signatures, and hundreds of thousands of calls.
The Democratic Party and Organizing for America have built a massive neighborhood-by-neighborhood operation to bring people’s voices to Congress.
Please donate $5 or whatever you can afford so we can finish this fight”
In the next he says.
“Even after last year’s election, many insider lobbyists and partisan operatives really thought that the old formula of scare tactics, D.C. back-scratching and special-interest money would still be enough to block any idea they didn’t like.
Please donate to OFA’s
Let’s keep making history,
President Barack Obama”
So……
Aren’t the DNC and OFA “insider lobbyists”? Are the DNC and OFA not “partisan operatives”?
If I am donating money to OFA to ensure the HC bill is passed would it not be considered
“back-scratching and special-interest money”?
HYPOCRITE.
CJK 11.08.09 at 3:13 pm
admin 11.08.09 at 2:53 pm
Hi Murphy/admin (?) How then does one explain Pelosi’s behavior? After her performance as House Speaker this year, I could never say she is waaay more likely to stand up for women. She has sold out women (including HRC) at every opportunity, most notably in getting the health bill passed by sacrificing women’s freedom of choice. During my activist days, I personally experienced women backstabbing women quite frequently. Though times have perhaps changed this somewhat, I cannot support a candidate exclusively on the basis of gender. I have to research and understand her core values, to the extent possible.
FLBarbara 11.08.09 at 3:20 pm
Me thinks Arnold Palmer got the congressional medal of honor rather than Alice Paul it’s simple
Arnie plays the game with the balls
Alice refused to play the game with the balls.
Even little balls trump no balls.
Alice had guts, but as we know it takes balls. Sorry Alice.
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 3:26 pm
Great thread Murphy,
I just have one question… where is the Women Voting Bloc and how does one sign up?
I read all the links posted and IMHO before we try to become a new party, we need to try and become a recognized voting bloc, which we are not.
We were quitely stipped of our freedoms last night and I still see women debating today about whose fault it was. All I can say is it is ours for not being able to be a cohesive voting group. (Not pumas, just speaking in generalities and observations)
Like Rancho, I am feeling sick to my stomach and helpless and the way political parties manipulate the womens vote with their promises of how they represent us. They don’t and until we divorce our selves from these parties and their talking point we will continue to be… well, less than’s.
Okay I’m ranting and will stop
CJK 11.08.09 at 3:27 pm
I checked the list posted by LeeinUSA early this morning against the Blue Dog Dem list posted by NikkisMom yesterday, and, presuming both lists are accurate, it appears that the following 28 Blue Dog Dems voted for Pelosi’s hc bill. (Haven’t yet cross checked with the list of those voting for the ‘Stupid’ Amendment. But, to me, voting for the bill with the amendment amounts to the same thing as voting for the amendment.) Please feel free to offer corrections as needed if you have different info re votes of House members from your locale. Thanks.
Blue Dog Dems Who Voted for Pelosi’s bill
Hill, Baron (IN-09)
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)
Baca, Joe (CA-43)
Berry, Marion (AR-01)
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02)
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03)
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18)
Carney, Christopher (PA-10)
Cooper, Jim (TN-05)
Costa, Jim (CA-20)
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28)
Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA-03)
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02)
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08)
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)
Harman, Jane (CA-36)
Michaud, Mike (ME-02)
Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05)
Moore, Dennis (KS-03)
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08)
Pomeroy, Earl (ND)
Salazar, John (CO-03)
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47)
Schiff, Adam (CA-29)
Scott, David (GA-13)
Space, Zack (OH-18)
Thompson, Mike (CA-01)
Wilson, Charles (OH-06)
CJK 11.08.09 at 3:33 pm
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 3:26 pm
Hi, goofs! Yes, I agree! I believe the ‘Women’s Voting Bloc’ is right here at PUMA PAC. I also believe that we must divorce ourselves from slavish allegiance to any current political party. I’ve often said we need a new woman’s party, and have often been shot down for saying so (same old hackneyed argument — the country can’t support a third party; it just splits the vote). We’ve just seen that this current government (of all existing parties) does not support women in any way. We need our own party, plain and simple. Who better than PUMA PAC, with Murphy’s leadership, to get it going?
LJSNAustin 11.08.09 at 3:34 pm
Doesn’t matter in the big scheme…Pelosi and other outliers…VOTE FOR WOMEN.
CJK 11.08.09 at 3:35 pm
FLBarbara 11.08.09 at 3:20 pm
FLBarbara, did I mention that you not only inspire us but you also give us some great laughs?! ROTFLMAO!
LJSNAustin 11.08.09 at 3:35 pm
Oops, didn’t preface my comment #14. I am addressing CJK’s comments about Pelosi and the other women in the House who voted for the damned bill.
CJK 11.08.09 at 3:40 pm
LJSNAustin 11.08.09 at 3:35 pm
But if we research a woman candidate and know upfront that she won’t support women’s issues (but will be as much of a sell out as Pelosi, for example), why vote her into office to start with? She’ll just become one of the 25 percent who will vote against women’s freedom. We will have gained nothing. In general, however, I agree that we should always first consider voting for the woman candidate. But, if she doesn’t support women’s freedom/rights, why vote for her, and not consider a male candidate with a better track record of supporting women’s freedom/rights?
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 3:40 pm
CJK,
I’m not advocating a 3rd party… I’m advocating a cohesive Women’s voting bloc. It’s two different things….
sistermoon3 11.08.09 at 3:42 pm
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppsne/donation-faq-22168.htm
time to throw your money, if you have any to Planned Parenthood organization, it’s tax deductible. I for one will do my small part before year’s end. Women can make a difference and the government can stay out of my damned business on any of this foolish healthcare bill. There’s more ways than one to skin a cat and supporting the clinics that perform these abortions will be even more vital than ever now. as for that letter obama sent out, im not surprised, all he’s done since he’s been in office is to get taxpayers money isnt it? Everytime it’s been a crisis.
I was watching George Stephanopholus show this morning and i couldnt believe Sam Donaldson was saying, oh we need a second stimulus to help with jobs, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Sometimes after thinking these people had brains for all these years, only find they have lost their minds assuming they ever had any astonishes me. I tell you who is overpaid. Journalist that spout that shit.
CJK 11.08.09 at 3:42 pm
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 3:40 pm
I didn’t mean to imply you were advocating a third party, goofs. Sorry if that’s how it came across. But, with only two major parties currently in existence, what are women to do if not form their own party? How can women become a cohesive voting bloc without their own party to act as a unifier, a means for raising necessary funds and backing candidates who unequivocally support women’s freedoms/rights?
CJK 11.08.09 at 3:45 pm
Gotta go. Interesting discussion. BBL.
honora 11.08.09 at 3:54 pm
I know that it is frustrating to women when the women that they support turn around and do not support women. I think we must try not to hold the women representatives to a higher standard than we do the men representatives. I understand wanting to, but we must remember that these women are forced to play in a male arena (even Pelosi). If we got to the 30% level then these women would be able to ‘act like women’ without being marginalized. We need to focus on getting more women and we need to act electorally like a block to support women.
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 3:55 pm
CJK,
There are many voting blocs that are not political parties. They are coallition of voters, some are race based, some are lifestyle based, etc. So why can’t there be one that is gender based. They contribute to individual politicians and throw their voting bloc support behind them.
Just thoughts…
LJSNAustin 11.08.09 at 4:20 pm
CJK #17, it’s all about getting equal representation. Until we have that, to me, nothing else matters. If it’s between a woman who will not support womens’ rights and a man who will (hmmmm…), at least with the woman we will get closer to having equal seating at the table. With a critical mass of women in public office, THEN we can talk about issues. Just my two cents. I’m sticking to it.
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 4:26 pm
LJSNAustin,
Ditto… and Amen….
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 4:34 pm
Have you all noticed the slight change in the obumamaniacs tilt on women.
We suddenly have some talk on the tvee and the media assholes have quietly even spoken almost nicely about women.
Well just as I was going to kiss their hairy butts pooofff, they fuck us over again. The slimy dirty rascals……
I say leave em in the dust…sign on as an independent voter and let them suck off some other group. Be free to vote for who we choose even if we do it as a write in!!!
If they ask who ya voting for say one thing and vote the other. All women should be independents!
And I am furious!!!!
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 4:47 pm
(((HP Boston)))
Agreed… Independent of the male dominated political parties. VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!!
VOTE FOR WOMEN!!!
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 4:57 pm
Hi Murphy – thanks again for turning on the action pages (Women in 2010, etc.). I have two more requests for reinstatement of 10 a link on those pages to get us back to the main blog, and 2) the recent comments sidebar that helps us figure out where people are on the blog. That is, if there is a discussion going on on a private page it would help us to know to get our tails over there!! Thanks SO much for all you do to make this blog a place for action.
murphy 11.08.09 at 4:57 pm
One woman alone, or with a few other women beside her, will always be outnumbered, outmanueverable — if she champions women’s issues those issues will ALWAYS be vulnerable to a gang like the blue dogs. You can make fun of Nancy Pelosi’s face all day long. It does not change the fact that she is ardently pro-reproductive-freedom. She did NOT vote for the Sestak Amendment. She fought bitterly to kill it, but she LOST. Why? Because they’re aren’t enough WOMEN IN CONGRESS to stand beside her. Why aren’t there enough women in congress to strengthen and help keep Nancy Pelosi honest and working for women?
BECAUSE WE DON’T VOTE FOR THEM!!! If Pelosi had had 20 or so more women in the House to help her kill Sestak, we would not have LOST yesterday.
We lose every time because we get disunited, distracted, embarrassed, and disheartened.
murphy 11.08.09 at 4:58 pm
oops, I forgot to say:
VOTE FOR WOMEN.
FLBarbara 11.08.09 at 5:04 pm
While it is frustrating to feel that women WE elected have not supported “US” Truth is there’ re many women today who feel the women they elected did indeed support them.
A woman who believes government should pay for abortions for women will feel betrayed but the woman who is against that she is feeling pretty good today.
The problem remains abortion is a tool used to divide women and their voting as a majority bloc IMHO
We want the women we elected to be held accountable for voting for and somewhere else there is another group of women discussing the accountability of those women who voted against it.
So basically all of us are talking about voting women OUT of office for betraying us.
And the Men well they just sit there laughing their asses off and crap no one is talking about being betrayed by them.
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 5:13 pm
((((Murphy and FL Barbara)))))
Excellent points!!!
murphy 11.08.09 at 5:15 pm
flbarb — I agree that abortion is used despicably to jerk ALL women around. All I’m saying is that since only 19 women versus TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY ONE MEN voted against women’s right to privacy I don’t want to get distracted by the circular firing squad.
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 5:16 pm
Women of 2010 – you all have mail…
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 5:18 pm
I am only talking about the Democrats, the party that betrayed all women and cut Hillary from the the office she was more than qualified to fill.
If all the dogs are running in the pac they should bite the blue ones in the ass cause they do not belong there!!
They are scum one and ALL. To pass a bill so rife with NON health care money flowing in the toilet, well thats a crime, just shoot those bastards. I will not vote for them, nor support them ever.
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 5:23 pm
Different strategies are not mutually exclusive. If you can’t grasp the concept behind the 30% solution and are too politically pure to vote for any women versus voting for only idealogically pure women, then vote for those women. If you support the concept of gaining a larger female voting bloc in Congress and other governing bodies, then look for the long term goal and vote female. Use common sense and do what makes sense to you. Do not let someone who says you must do it this way or you can’t do it another way distract you from the long term goal. A female voting bloc will be just as effective at wielding power as a female party. The point is to push women forward and give them power and numbers. There is not only one way to achieve this, but there are myriad distractions along the way that keeps it from ever happening.
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 5:26 pm
Yes, Murphy I applaud Pelosi for her unwavering support of women’s reproductive rights. She did howver, vote for the Bill with Bart Stupak’s amendment attached. Perhaps she plans on getting it out of there in the FINAL final Bill
FLBarbara 11.08.09 at 5:28 pm
It continues to be the abortion issue
The Great wall that divides us.
We are the majority and we agree as a majority on all the “basic isses” that effect us wether we are in the home or in the office.
Pay, violence,etc.
But we become the minority because we can’t agree on the abortion issue.
While it is an important issue, we have to find a way to not have it be the Great wall the divides.
How?
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 5:28 pm
((BCL)) excellent points
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 5:29 pm
(((BigCatLover)))
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BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 5:23 pm
The point is to push women forward and give them power and numbers.
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Yep, exactly…
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 5:30 pm
((Goofs)) – you have mail
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 5:32 pm
Ya what the hell is the difference,a not so perfect woman candidate…hell I listened to the slick pol Bonner playing his role as the republican nay sayer…what a heap of garbage he is…….give me Nancy anyday!. Ah but Nancy kiss a jackass on the lips!!, ugh have you no sense of decorum….
Well I suppose it beats a frog(hardly) and honey there ain’t no princes.
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 5:37 pm
Well HP that’s my dilemma – I applaud Pelosi’s support of women’s reproductve rights but she has gone off the tracks with power corruption and I just cannot forgive her for railroading Hillary’s demise, etc.. So on balance I can no longer support her. Nothing is black or white – it’s all shades of grey.
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 5:37 pm
HP Boston
I think Nancy thinks Obama saved her bacon by twisting arms to get this bill passed so she can take the credit and get the praise from the pundits and uniformed public for still having enough power to pass the hc bill. But to give him a full on kiss looked completely powerless. She needs to understand how that looks to the boys.
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 5:41 pm
“full on kiss”??? That’s where the koolaid comes in – give us a break. Do you remember when he was addressing both Houses and she was holding on to his hand for the longest time from her seat behind the podium. She is infatuated with this guy – makes me squirm in embarrassment for her – can’t she see that?
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 5:42 pm
Well I have always thought that we should tell the men we will outlaw abortions…so your girlfriend is going to have (that) baby, your wife is going to have (your) baby…wow Mom is having one at 40 (your) baby brother….we know you are gonna love it! Your sister is pregnant too she is 14, oh well you will help her raise a baby oh it’s twins. YaY
YA RIGHT.
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 5:43 pm
Oh I should quit criticizing her and go get some fresh air to my brain. see you all later
BillieJo 11.08.09 at 5:43 pm
A strong third party that supports women’s rights is the one party I would step up and fight for.
I would like to see us try to move forward on that.
Pretty soon the Dems and Republican’s will be passing bill’s to put us in burqua’s.
I will not give Nancy any free passes because she is a woman. She pushed this lousy bill though at the cost of women.
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 5:45 pm
Hi BilliJo – YES, sorry cannot stop -BBL
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 5:47 pm
HP Boston
That might just work. It would be worth it to see the looks on their faces. LOL
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 5:57 pm
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 5:47 pm
I know ! they do not care about children only their own. I mean if they gave a shit truly we would have abortion available and free for the poor. Men bleat about welfare moms with kids …you’d think they would want to give em gift cards for abortions!!!
It is a power play to keep women from having a choice…that is the reason men want to keep it unavailable it gives them control. So have no sex tell em it is abstinance the answer to the whole thing!! OUTLAW abortions.
The freaky religious cults just want to control women too!
BillieJo 11.08.09 at 5:59 pm
Just a question about a women that had a miscarriage at 10 weeks, she couldn’t get an abortion since she wasn’t sick….right?
How about a rape victim?
How about a poor woman that couldn’t afford another child and who’s husband ran out on her?
I don’t think these would be covered under Nancy’s new Health Care bill…would they?
Guess this bill would be considered Pro-Life.
Every sperm is sacred after all.
Hale, Oh Mighty Sperm Donor’s!!!!
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 6:03 pm
Honora
http://www.cafepress.com/DancesWithPumas/6834850
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 6:09 pm
Dances,
Excellent! Graphic really grabs attention…
(((Honora)))
Thanks for coming up with that bumper sticker saying…
“You voted for Change and all you got was a coathanger”
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 6:13 pm
So we should all run for office…no sex. no abortions.
It will be a HELL NO platform. Law and order platform too.
Rape will be punishable under the Bobbett Bill and boiled but only in pure olive oil.
Violence in the home will hold a mandatory jail sentence and the full report published on the front page of every paper.
No second chance a felony charge of assault and battery.
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 6:28 pm
boiled but only in pure olive oil.
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not wasting my olive oil on that!
plain old tap water with the sledge from lake Michigan here
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 6:28 pm
Puma-SF
http://www.cafepress.com/DancesWithPumas/6954315
murphy 11.08.09 at 6:28 pm
BCL said:
“Different strategies are not mutually exclusive. If you can’t grasp the concept behind the 30% solution and are too politically pure to vote for any women versus voting for only idealogically pure women, then vote for those women. If you support the concept of gaining a larger female voting bloc in Congress and other governing bodies, then look for the long term goal and vote female. Use common sense and do what makes sense to you. Do not let someone who says you must do it this way or you can’t do it another way distract you from the long term goal. A female voting bloc will be just as effective at wielding power as a female party. The point is to push women forward and give them power and numbers. There is not only one way to achieve this, but there are myriad distractions along the way that keeps it from ever happening.”
exactomundo.
martha coakley will be not halfway through her first term as senator (the first woman senator from MA, if she wins) when obama loses office in 2012. if he loses reelection in 2012 he is OUT for good. So, I’m not too worried whether Coakley supports obama today. Even if he wins a second term (gawd forbid) he will still be gone for GOOD during her first full term in office.
I’m thinking long term.
murphy 11.08.09 at 6:29 pm
HP #55- yeah!!
dwp # 57, wowee!!
murphy 11.08.09 at 6:32 pm
FL BArb, by putting more women in power everywhere and without exception. Even if that means a few clunkers. Even if that means a few obama supporters. Even if that means a few forced pregnancy types.
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 6:35 pm
It was a beautiful day here, so I put the bumper stickers on my car, printed out some flyers and Roxie and I went around town passing out flyers. Got flipped off a lot driving and flipped right back… the peace sign lol, that really seems to piss them off. Went by the welcome to Gary sign, but I think I need my friend with the bucket truck. I might be able to reach if I stand on top of my jeep, but not sure. Too much traffic to really check it out.
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 6:40 pm
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 6:28 pm
boiled but only in pure olive oil.
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not wasting my olive oil on that!
plain old tap water with the sledge from lake Michigan here
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I knew I’d hear a nay on the pure anything!
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 6:43 pm
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 6:35 pm
Wish I could follow you around every day filming you on your daily rounds… from rambo mama to bucket trucking
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 6:46 pm
Prpl
And it was a beautiful day in the Great Metro West!
Went out to lunch with my guy and sat on a bench in the sun with delious sandwiches from Paneras yum……..
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 6:46 pm
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 6:43 pm
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 6:35 pm
Wish I could follow you around every day filming you on your daily rounds… from rambo mama to bucket trucking
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lol DWP, I have to keep myself amused. I have no fellow Puma’s here!
If I don’t do the little things, I feel useless!
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 6:47 pm
Look what I found in my Junk email folder, a letter from dipshit.
“This evening, at 11:15 p.m., the House of Representatives voted to pass their health insurance reform bill. Despite countless attempts over nearly a century, no chamber of Congress has ever before passed comprehensive health reform. This is history.”
and Obama will be history in 2012.
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 6:50 pm
It is bull shit from dip shit and it still has a ways to go!
Down the toilet with the ALL the dipshits…2010 and 2012!!
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 6:50 pm
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 6:46 pm
Prpl
And it was a beautiful day in the Great Metro West!
Went out to lunch with my guy and sat on a bench in the sun with delious sandwiches from Paneras yum……..
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Nice HP! love Panera’s yum is right
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 6:57 pm
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 6:47 pm
Look what I found in my Junk email folder, a letter from dipshit.
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at least you have your email trained, it went to the right place
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 7:00 pm
prpl #69
I did respond though…
“Go to hell, dipshit” in the subject line.
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 7:03 pm
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 7:00 pm
prpl #69
I did respond though…
“Go to hell, dipshit” in the subject line.
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ohhhhh now you will be on the list right next to me!
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 7:04 pm
prpl
At least I’ll be in good company.
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 7:08 pm
House health care bill has nowhere to go in Senate
WASHINGTON – The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091108/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul
Silence Dogood 11.08.09 at 7:11 pm
This bill is not about care but about government control. It must be defeated in the senate, otherwise we are another step closer to full blown socialism. There is no choice in this bill.
Both the AMA, who only rep 17% or doctors, and the AARP have soldout support for cash. AARP stands to make billions from the more expensive medi-gap insurance.
Neither represents the people.
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 7:11 pm
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 7:04 pm
prpl
At least I’ll be in good company.
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Thelma and Louise
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 7:13 pm
From prpl’s link:
The problem is that the Senate won’t run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.
If a government plan is part of the deal, “as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote,” said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.
“The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said dismissively.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091108/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul
persephone 11.08.09 at 7:14 pm
Even if that means a few obama supporters. Even if that means a few forced pregnancy types.
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*wailing*
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
murphy have you never seen pure evil?
think Donna Brazile. Alexis Herman!
women enabled Obama. they helped him cheat, they voted for him, and they supported his effing piece of sh*t hc takeover.
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 7:16 pm
Silence Dogood 11.08.09 at 7:11 pm
Both the AMA, who only rep 17% or doctors, and the AARP have soldout support for cash. AARP stands to make billions from the more expensive medi-gap insurance.
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Yep. I got my renewal for AARP in the mail on Saturday, going to cut them up and send a copy of the I Have No More Change Left in My Pocket!! bumper sticker. I made copies of all of them for just such an occasion! Don’t want to waste the real thing on them
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 7:20 pm
Sending letter of thanks to Joe Lieberman and Linsey Graham! Kill the Bill!
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 7:21 pm
I made copies of all of them for just such an occasion! Don’t want to waste the real thing on them
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Oh! Good idea!
normapapuma 11.08.09 at 7:25 pm
#77persephone
lol-You sound like me! (I think my head’s exploding with the Obamacare passage.)
Puma-SF 11.08.09 at 7:26 pm
Great job, Dances. I’ll put my order in today. Thanks so much.
persephone 11.08.09 at 7:31 pm
norma
seriously
has anyone ever cracked up from following politics?
just when you think things can’t get any more ridiculous
cant get my head around that it’s easier in italy the land of the pope for a woman to get an abortion.
who are these people??
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 7:36 pm
Puma-SF
Just so you know… there’s a $10. t-shirt there. Just scroll down.
normapapuma 11.08.09 at 7:44 pm
#83 persephone
I’m just against the whole government-run concept. Don’t want their rules/don’t want their taxes to give health care to people THEY want to support for political purposes.
Gotta go type a worksheet…Working 7 days a week so I can pay for my own damn healthcare.
Puma-SF 11.08.09 at 7:58 pm
Great job, Dances. I’ve forwarded the link to people from the march. Here’s a great post and two female horses are up for horse of the year:
http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/11/08/horses-women-healthcare-gays-dimocrats-beasts-and-george-w/
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 8:00 pm
By defusing the abortion issue — at least for now — the House may have helped the long-term prospects for the bill. Catholic bishops also eager to expand society’s safety net may yet endorse the final legislation.
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Well isn’t that precious!
If you do not get the wonderful insurance by bishops…well then 5 years in jail and or a 250,000 dollar fine. I pray the Congress, the prezshithead and the freaking bishops all go straight to HELL!
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 8:09 pm
A horse named Dancing in Silks won a race
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 8:10 pm
Mexico the great bastion of poor catholics have passed abortion rights!!
Susie1945 11.08.09 at 8:11 pm
Hi PUMAs – Why are we surprised that women got shafted again? The Dems, for the most part, have been doing this for years and we just sat there and took it – Repubs are not a hellofa lot better – they shaft us too – but they do it with a little more finesse
Saw this interesting little article – is it too little too late or do we still stand a chance of women taking over?
http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/06/women-are-overtaking-men-in-the-u-s/
I can’t even begin to wrap my mind around Botox Nancy kissing the fraud – makes me want to puke…………….
persephone 11.08.09 at 8:13 pm
Who knew the bishops were still running the show
murphy 11.08.09 at 8:15 pm
We have abortion rights too. Constitutional abortion rights. What’s being debated here is whether or not insurance can pay for it, not whether it’s legal.
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 8:16 pm
persephone 11.08.09 at 8:13 pm
Who knew the bishops were still running the show
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ofraud
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 8:17 pm
If we keep demanding women to vote for they will start putting women in place…they want votes..so keep singing that song Pumas. Keep chanting we will vote for Palin we will vote for Lady Liberty, we will vote for women!!! It will keep them off balance. Go underground scope out the best people to support and do it . Let’s keep em guessing and drop the Parties..be independent. No good candidate then DO NOT VOTE!!
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 8:24 pm
murphy 11.08.09 at 8:15 pm
We have abortion rights too. Constitutional abortion rights. What’s being debated here is whether or not insurance can pay for it, not whether it’s legal.
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Yup it is just that they keep putting road blocks in our RIGHTS! Speed bumps, nutjobs, churches, bishops, pharmacists, judges, nurses, doctors, presidents, congress critters,insurance co and men and women who of course should never procreate!
persephone 11.08.09 at 8:27 pm
under the house plan no insurance companies will be allowed to cover abortions.
no plan, subsidized or otherwise, can legally cover abortions.
what will happen to women’s repro clinics that serve poor women? they will close.
honora 11.08.09 at 8:34 pm
Dances—Thanks so much it is beautiful. I can’t wait to get mine.
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 8:37 pm
The bigger problem is our loss of ALL privacy, choice and the mandatory plans and the huge sums of money we must pay for our family and 5 other families. Our freedoms have been taken from us in the name of heatlh care wich is going to kill me!!
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 8:37 pm
persephone 11.08.09 at 7:14 pm
Even if that means a few obama supporters. Even if that means a few forced pregnancy types.
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*wailing*
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Hey Persephone – I am with you on this one
HP Boston 11.08.09 at 8:37 pm
which will kil me…………
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 8:38 pm
Beautiful picture of Hillary in Berlin at the Freedom’s Challenge Dinner
http://secretaryclinton.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/hillary-clinton-at-freedoms-challenge-dinner/
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 8:39 pm
honora
Thanks.
I’m thinking it would be less expensive for all if we could raise $95 and order a hundred to send out for free… the way we did with the bumpersticker contest.
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 8:40 pm
Speaking of female horses, a 5 year old filly/mare horse named Zenyatta won the biggest race in horse racing yesterday, the Breeder’s Cup Classic against the best male horses in the world. She raced against the boys for the first time in her career after winning 13 of 13 races before that. She came into the paddock prancing and pawing the ground. At first I thought there was someting wrong with her leg, but I guess this is common behavior for her. She came out on the track still prancing and the crowd loved it. She balked going into the gate and was foaming at the mouth she was so fired up. After a long delay at the gates, they were opened and she looked like she was not going to run. She was just giving the boys a head start. Halfway around the track she was 12 lengths behind the rest of the pack. I thought she had tired herself out so much she was done. But, she slowly crept up on the pack until she was in the middle, then her jockey took her to the outside and she picked the leaders off one by one and won the race by a full length. The crowd when wild. She pawed the ground in the winners circle until they took her away to hose her down. She’s been known to bump male horses so hard in races that she knocks them 3 horses over. She’s now up for horse of the year against the other super female horse, Rachel Alexandre.
prplvette85 11.08.09 at 8:40 pm
“We need to form an even stronger partnership to bring down the walls of the 21st century and to confront those who hide behind them: suicide bombers, those who murder and maim girls whose only wish is to go to school, leaders who chose their own fortune over the fortune of their people.”
Clinton will lead the U.S. delegation to Monday’s ceremonies in Berlin…
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 8:41 pm
I’m willing to widen my margins and vote for women … within reason. I still have a line drawn… I couldnt bring myself to vote for certain women… no matter what. I know I will never vote for a male again in this lifetime… not even kucinich.
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 8:45 pm
Read stories about Zenyatta here:
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 8:46 pm
Again, Murphy, I agree with Persephone – we need to find out exactly what the Stupak amendment will mean if it survives. My guess is that it will be removed at some point but if it isn’t we need to worry. Some discussion I heard last night suggested that even if a woman paid for her premiums herself she would not be able to get an abortion in any health plan that is part of the government health exchange. I believe that eventually all plans will be part of the health exchange (at least that is BO’s long term single payer plan).
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 8:48 pm
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 8:41 pm
I’m willing to widen my margins and vote for women … within reason. I still have a line drawn… I couldnt bring myself to vote for certain women… no matter what. I know I will never vote for a male again in this lifetime… not even kucinich.
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Why not Kucinich, because he’s male?
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 8:50 pm
BCL
Yep. Done with male politicians
honora 11.08.09 at 8:54 pm
So the Dem women fought until they capitulated, or maybe not. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29305.html#replyform I left my calling card in the comments.
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 8:54 pm
DWP
I’m not likely to ever be in a position to vote for Kucinich but I would support him with money if I had any money. If he had a female run against him, I would have to think hard about voting against him unless the woman was really really good. He supports everything I support. That’s rare.
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 8:54 pm
It will be poor women who are forced to accept government subsidies for health care that will not be able to have abortions.
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 8:57 pm
BCL
Agree. But males have been running things forEVER, and the world isnt any better for it. Until women represent 51% of teh positions of power… no more men for me.
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 9:01 pm
BCL
How many good women have we missed out on by virtue of the fact of they’re women? Kucinich’s are a dime a dozen in many female communities.
persephone 11.08.09 at 9:02 pm
RemNov
All plans will quickly become part of the exchange-it’s absolutely the only way to do it and that’s how they did it here in MA.
We will still have so-called “private” plans but they will be regulated and administered by the government.
Which means the government gets to decide what the “rulz” will be!
And people thought this was a swell idea!
Pro choice doctors have been able to get insurance companies to cover termination procedures in many cases by classifying them as “medically necessary.”
That’s the kind of language we’ll be hearing going into the Senate battle.
Even if the dems try and soften Stupak/Pitts
(hereinafter referred to as Stupid-Ass)by including some exceptions, it will be the government deciding what is “medically necessary??”
My god how dare they. It is just none of their goddamned business and grown women should not be having their reproductive choices scrutinized in this century!
persephone 11.08.09 at 9:03 pm
{{honora}} good job
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 9:05 pm
DWP
I like to reward good behavior even when it’s a male doing the behavior.
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 9:06 pm
BCL
Acting human is reward in and of itself.
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 9:10 pm
Yes, Persephone – it is truly outrageous. Why would any insurance plan as part of the exchange offer abortions when the companies know that people in those subsidized plans will not even be allowed to
pay for an abortion with their own funds.
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 9:10 pm
I’m wondering if women of unwanted pregnancies will be more willing to have their impregnators pay for their medical procedures now?
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 9:11 pm
Oh, Hillaryis44 has video of the race. I’ve been looking for a video of it all day. Gotta rewatch this spectacular horse. BBL
persephone 11.08.09 at 9:16 pm
question for my Senator- John Kerry.
Right now around 20 states provide supplemental funding so that
abortions are covered for Medicaid recipients.
(VT, CA..don’t have complete list, will try and find it..)
Under Stupid-Ass, what happens to those states?
Some of those states have been court ordered to pay for abortions for low income women, on the legal premise that Hyde discriminates against poor women.
Are those court orders now null and void under the “new and improved” HC plan??
persephone 11.08.09 at 9:21 pm
Information re: states that currently fund abortions, either voluntarily or by court order:
http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_SFAM.pdf
excerpt:
HIGHLIGHTS:
32 states and the District of Columbia follow the federal standard and provide abortions in cases of life endangerment, rape and incest.
3 of these states also provide state funds for abortions in cases of fetal abnormality.
3 of these states also provide state funds for abortions that are necessary to prevent grave, long-lasting damage to the woman’s physical health.
1 state provides abortions only in cases of life endangerment, in apparent violation of the federal standard.
17 states use state funds to provide all or most medically necessary abortions.
4 of these states provide such funds voluntarily.
13 of these states do so pursuant to a court order.
murphy 11.08.09 at 9:23 pm
this article in Salon from last week is good:
“1. Abortion is legal medical care. “Abortion is a legal right, and it takes medical care to exercise that right,” says Judy Waxman, vice-president of health and reproductive rights at the National Women’s Law Center. (For their healthcare reform campaign, click here.) The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists also chimes in here (PDF).
2. Abortion is common, mainstream medical care. It is one of the most common surgical procedures in America.
3. Abortion is already broadly covered. Between 50 and 85 percent of women who have private insurance, including employer-sponsored plans, have coverage for abortion care.
4. Covering abortion does not raise the abortion rate. As Gloria Feldt points out, “Countries like France, Germany and the Netherlands routinely cover abortion in their national health plans, and have some of the lowest abortion rates in the world.”
it goes on.
http://www.salon.com/news/abortion/index.html?story=/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/10/28/why_abortion_must_be_covered
Rancho 11.08.09 at 9:31 pm
Women Are Overtaking Men in the U.S.?
The United States may have officially entered the age of woman.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, this fall, for the first time in U.S. history, women have surpassed men and now make up more than 50 percent of the nation’s workforce. In 1967, by comparison, they accounted for just one-third of all workers.
http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/06/women-are-overtaking-men-in-the-u-s/
• Double the number of single women are now purchasing homes in America than there are single men.
• Four out of every 10 women are are now their family’s primary breadwinner, a sharp increase from past decades.
• The New Hampshire State Legislature is now made up of a majority of women, a first for a legislative body in the U.S., and the number of women in government continues to edge up nationwide.
• Women now account for 30 percent of math Ph.D.s, up from just 5 percent in the 1960s.
• On average, women read nine books every year. Men only read four, and women account for 80 percent of the U.S. fiction market.
• The World Bank recently estimated that the global earning power of women will reach an estimated $18 trillion by the year 2014, up $5 trillion today.
Interesting article to feel a bit encouraged about . . .
persephone 11.08.09 at 9:35 pm
1 state provides abortions only in cases of life endangerment, in apparent violation of the federal standard.
and that would be South Dakota
the whole country could potentially turn into South Dakota.
I can’t believe in 2009 we are even still having this asinine conversation.
murphy 11.08.09 at 9:37 pm
“I can’t believe in 2009 we are even still having this asinine conversation.”
How about having this conversation with a majority Dem congress and a Dem in the White House??
BigCatLover 11.08.09 at 9:40 pm
Were dems always this hypocritical or only under Obama’s admin thumb.
RememberNovember 11.08.09 at 9:47 pm
Thanks ((Rancho)) – for some encouraging news – am going to leave on the upside – see you all tomorrow – have a good evening
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 9:50 pm
Night RememberNovember – sweet dreams….
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 9:52 pm
Just to share….
Very good! Murphy hope you watch it too! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frFp0NU43dk&feature=related Sorry, the audio is not very good…. But, what a great message…. 
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 9:55 pm
Just a reminder….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eseoMOEaFnM&feature=related I will NEVER, NEVER,NEVER FORGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 9:59 pm
Casper Cat,
#131 – Great to see that video again…. We need it today…
KEEP GOING, DON’T STOP, PASS THE ERA – VOTE WOMEN
Rancho 11.08.09 at 10:09 pm
Just received this youtube . . It got me going again! (And I’m really trying to be “up”.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc
Rancho 11.08.09 at 10:14 pm
Hi cssper! . . .I sent you an email via yahoo last week. Guess you were busy.
How ya doing?
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 10:30 pm
Hi (((Rancho)))
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 10:33 pm
HI Rancho…. my desk top computer has been down for a while…
Big problem with U-Verse…… I have been working on my laptop ( very old) and the email addy is not the same…. Tomorrow, I will have my desk top up and running….. I have been thinking about you and wishing you well…… 
And, yes I am all over the place…. With the high employment rate and the way things are right now…. Well, in my business alot is going on…. In the last month I have had to file (myself) 6 evictions and 2 foreclosures….. 
This has never happend in the 20 + years I have been a Real Estate Investor…. Thank God I went to Law School and specialized in Real Property Law and Contracts…. Phew!!!!!!!! The $$$ that I invested in myself has saved me $$$$$$$$$$$$$….. 
But, I am not complaining…. it is part of the business…. 
tomorrow I will be shampooing carpets and washing windows to have a home I have ready to show by tuesday…. that’s ok…. I love what I do… I guess in a twisted way!… 
Oh, but, I have to tell you there are many, many months where I do nothing…. But, right now… I am very busy….. 
I am so grateful for the fact that I own everything that I have….. 
No, mortgage or anything… Just taxes at the end of the year…. 
After-all, what I do has allowed me to retire at 35years old…. Now, at 47 I am still plugging away….. 
We will meet soon… 
((((((Rancho)))))
Rancho 11.08.09 at 10:33 pm
Hey goofs! I sent you that email, too! We’re trying to find a time to get together. I have an incredible restaurant out my way that I would love to treat you to. Problem is, time is limited, and I start conferences soon.
Rancho 11.08.09 at 10:36 pm
Wow Casper! .. Sending good thoughts your way . . .It would be so hard to do evictions with everything the way it is right now for everyone. Yes, you are in a fortunate position
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 10:39 pm
Casper Cat,
Talk to me about U-Verse… Have appointment scheduled for install this friday…
Rancho,
Let’s see what we can do to get together before you get too swamped…
Rancho 11.08.09 at 10:42 pm
Testing and meetings this week, but Friday early afternoon is o.k.
If that doesn’t work, I’d have to wait until after Thanksgiving. Conferences start Monday and go 1 1/2 weeks.
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 10:51 pm
Rancho,
DANG IT! Friday I have the ATT UVerse install… They are supposed to be between 11-1.
Let me see if I can’t get it changed… Want to see you both so much…
Plus Casper having so much of a problem with her install is making me a bit wary…
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 10:52 pm
Rancho…. I am the most generous landlady you have ever met….
But, when the tenant tells me they cannot afford the place anymore… I really do try to work with them to create the best outcome for both of us… Unfortunately, some people just don’t care that a Eviction will be on their credit report and application where ever they move or rent… I do my best to explain that to them…. But, I can do only so much…. In fact, a place that I just rented with a one year lease…. the woman that applied for the place passed all of the application process and then she called me later that night after I had already called her to tell her the place is yours if you still want it… she said I need to be upfront and honest with you.. I said ok… she said “I am gay and I have my wife of 5 years with me and 4 cats”… I said wonderful!… are the cats spayed/neutered? she said yes! I said Thank You…. she paused… “so, that’s ok with you?” Oh, YA! the cats are spayed I replied… I am a huge supporter of animals and S/N…. So, I said do you still want the place… She said YES!!! In fact, she is moving from Buena Park near Knotts Berry Farm.. And, I took care of her cats while she could move in…. 
Tell, me how many landlady/landlord would do that????? I will tell, you NONE!!!!!!! 
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 10:54 pm
((((Casper Cat))))
You are an excellent landlord…
Rancho 11.08.09 at 10:56 pm
LOVE IT, ((CASPER!)) Are the cats spayed/neutered?
You are a very kind and generous person, and I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT!
Goofs . . . don’t change Friday if it works for Casper. It could be 2:30 or 3:00 . . an early dinner or very late lunch.
What do you think, Casper? This Friday?
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 10:58 pm
goofsmom… Yes, I think the problem with U-Verse is the breezeway and the distance between… Oh, but when they installed in months ago they said it would not be problem…. Well, IT IS A PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, lets make it a date with Rancho… I will gladly pick you up…. If Friday is the date… come hell or high water I will make it…. 
Would love to see Rancho and You too…. Please let me know…. YOU have my cell number… 
Rancho 11.08.09 at 11:00 pm
Yeah . . it’s a “triple date!” What time for sure?
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 11:01 pm
Friday’s good by me… You two pick the time.
We can even make it earlier Rancho…
Sounds like I may want Goofsdad to do the install instead of ATT. In which case any time friday will be good.
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 11:04 pm
(((Rancho))) Friday it is a date… For Sure… I need to take a break and would love to spend sometime with Pumas family….
What time and where…?
Rancho 11.08.09 at 11:04 pm
I don’t officially get done until 2:30. 3:00-4:00 would be good by me.
Wow! This will be great to see you both!
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 11:05 pm
Ok, Rancho….. It’s on YOU now… Where and what time… goofsmom can I pick you up along the way?
Rancho 11.08.09 at 11:07 pm
Come to my classroom? You name the time. My favorite little restaurant is ’round the corner. I/we usually go their to celebrate special occasions.
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 11:07 pm
Ok, 3:00 is ok by me…. goofsmom how does that sound to you? Just a thought we could meet at Rancho school and I will take my van and we could go to the resturant from there? Just a suggestion….
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 11:08 pm
Casper Cat,
I would love it!…
Rancho,
Let’s say 2:45…
PUMA Party… WOO HOO…
Hey Dances,
You want to play hooky from work and come too?
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 11:09 pm
Casper and Rancho,
3 PM it is…
Rancho 11.08.09 at 11:11 pm
o.k., o.k. ;P 3:00ish. If we aren’t hungry we can nibble on amazing treats, and sip a little wine. Not too much ’cause you need to get home!
We can take our time getting there and have an early dinner too. It just gets too dark too quick lately.
Rancho 11.08.09 at 11:13 pm
Yeah Dances, COME ON UP!!!
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 11:13 pm
goofsmom please call me tomorrow night after 6:00 pm and give me your addy….
I will need to pick you up at least 45 minutes before…. so, about 1:45 on Friday… Is that ok….? 
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 11:14 pm
Casper Cat,
Absolutely perfect…
I’ll call ya then…
Rancho 11.08.09 at 11:20 pm
WOOT, WOOT!
Dances . . . yoohooo! Are you lurking!
Nothing better than a PUMA get together!
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 11:21 pm
goofsmom look forward to hearing from you…
Oh, I will bring a camera so we can take pictures…. 
Casper Cat 11.08.09 at 11:22 pm
I would love for Dances to join us….Hey, Dances if you can come to Riverside to my house and I will take us to Rancho ’s place and have a great time…. what do you think?
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 11:24 pm
You want to play hooky from work and come too?
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Thanks anyway but I have a 5 day weekend and will heading North (SFO – Bodega Bay- and Oregon if I make it that far) beginning Wednesday.
Have fun all y’all.
Rancho 11.08.09 at 11:26 pm
Shucks, Dances! We’ll be thinking of you. It sounds like fun. Maybe next time we can all meet in Riverside?
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 11:32 pm
Dances,
Oh, Darn…. I’ll miss you… Sound like you are going to have a very pretty drive… Enjoy your trip…
DancesWithPumas 11.08.09 at 11:39 pm
Rancho
Sounds good.
simofish 11.08.09 at 11:53 pm
Caspercat — If you’re having a problem with U-Verse – you need to e-mail me ASAP — sd1939@gmail.com and I will help you solve the issue. Once you e-mail me I will give you my phone number so we can talk and I can run your issue up the flag poll to have it resolved.
I love my u-verse !! I want everyone to love theirs too !!
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 11:55 pm
simofish,
Is it okay if I email you too?
simofish 11.08.09 at 11:57 pm
goofs — absolutely !!
In fact – anyone who has any issues with AT&T — e-mail me.
goofsmom 11.08.09 at 11:58 pm
Reuters has a good article explaining the challenges in the Senate for the House version of the HC bill…
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE59M4PB20091108
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 12:09 am
simofish,
I’ll email ya tomorrow… thank you…
Zee 11.09.09 at 12:17 am
111 BCL
I made it this far thru the thread, but I can’t hold my tongue on this:
“If he had a female run against him, I would have to think hard about voting against him unless the woman was really really good.”
He’s had TWO progressive women challenge him in two different primary runs. He refused to debate either one, even tho he WHINED his ass off about being shut out of debates himself. He’s a PIG. On his third wife. This time a trophy child bride with no brain….if you doubt that, she appeared with the Breatharians at some stupidass New Age conference. Breatharians are nutcase predator New Age cultists who preach that you don’t need food or water, only air and sun.
I could go on. I met the jerk, and recognized immediately what the short-man-syndrome narcissist was all about, and researched him. Suffice it to say, it’s a waste of time to worship him…it was even a waste of time to have researched all the crap he’s really about before he latched onto this Cult Hero bs because even if he were sincere, which he’s not, he’s forever marginalized and a good thing he is, too.
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 12:23 am
Hi ya Zee,
There you are…. been waiting for ya….
Zee 11.09.09 at 12:28 am
I just want to add that before my Kucinich rant, all my other thoughts were kudos, kudos, brava, brava, ditto, ditto. It’s good to see some long lost PUMAs here, and brava-ditto-kudos to dances and Murphy! Vote for women. Period. Alice Paul’s calling was “votes for women.” Ours is “VOTE for women.”
I’m just beside myself tonight. Besides my fury over the Stupid Amendment, I went to a memorial for an icon in our community tonight. All I wanted to do was sit with friends and talk about him, and art, and memories and tributes, but after the memorial I couldn’t find my friend’s house because construction of a hotel, unbeknownst to me, had completely altered the landscape and I couldn’t find the darn place.
So then I just came home and saw the most infuriating thing on CNN, but that’s another post…
Zee 11.09.09 at 12:28 am
Well, it’s been a night, goofs….
Zee 11.09.09 at 12:35 am
Hmmm…not sure what a U-verse is? Are Goofs, Ranch and Casper meeting in real life? Whatever, have fun! It sounds like fun! More PUMA meet-ups!
CJK 11.09.09 at 12:43 am
Just a random thought: Wonder what would happen if all PUMAs went out on the same day and changed their voter registration to ‘independent.’ Also, wonder what would happen if, before changing their registration to ‘independent,’ all those PUMAs tore up their voter registration cards and sent those torn up registration cards in big bundles to the HQs of the two major parties with a cover letter saying (quoting Murphy) ‘If the D’s (or R’s) won’t stand up for women, why should women stand up for the D’s (or R’s)?’ Just wonderin’… ‘Night lovely, wonderful PUMAs everywhere.
Zee 11.09.09 at 12:48 am
OK…if PUMAs are not already infuriated enough with how much Islam sux, patriarchy sux and the media suck? I come home tonight and my housemate has the news on. Fine. I normally spare myself the stress, but hey.
How many people remember the DC sniper? I remember because I have family there, and was terrified until he was caught. Well, I never really followed the story, outside the fact he was military, like Timothy McVeigh.
Well, hello. He was Islamic. And tonight CNN told the rest of the story, because he’s two days away from execution.
Only here is how they told it. Take your stress meds now. “Meet the woman who says she is the reason WHY this happened.”
I kid you the fuck not.
Then after the break we get the interview with the ex-wife. She most definitely did NOT say she was the “reason” why this shit shot 10 people dead. CNN said that. Because, of course, if a man terrorizes a city and murders a lot of people, the REASON has to be a WOMAN.
What his ex-wife said was that after the Iraq war her husband was a broken man and took it out on her, in every way. She told him she was leaving. He said she would not be raising their kids without him and that she was now the “enemy” and they were at war and he’d kill her.
She went into hiding with the kids. And this is supposedly why he was killing all these other people. Even tho he’d told her before he could hold an entire city hostage and they’d think it would be a group of terrorists but it would be only him.
But it’s all her fault. CNN says so.
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 12:52 am
WTF….
He was a broken man after the war… and it’s her fault… give me a fricken break…
snowtigerredux 11.09.09 at 12:52 am
Evening,
After a long day of working for not enough money I was lurking along here and ZEE? Please tell me your joking. Thats beyond even the stupidity of CNN.
Btw, I am wearing a cup in case of reflex action.
Zee 11.09.09 at 12:53 am
CJK, I love HP, but there is no way in hell I’m ceding the Democratic Party to the Obots.
The idea is to form a voting bloc and reclaim BOTH parties.
Primaries are the key, and we need to run in primaries, support primary challengers and vote in primaries.
It’s the DEMS who will be voting to send Martha Coakley to Senate to SPITE the Kennedys and Obots. She stood by Hillary to the end.
My dachshund barks like hell at the UPS Truck and thinks he’s defending the home from a monster, but it’s just a vehicle. Same with the parties. They’re just VEHICLES. They don’t have the ability to be the enemy. We just have to be the ones driving them.
Zee 11.09.09 at 12:55 am
goofs and snowtiger, I could not give enough of a barf bag warning for this CNN shit.
I could not believe it. I’m grateful they interviewed the ex-wife, but the framing of the story is inexcusable.
snowtigerredux 11.09.09 at 12:57 am
HOw do you think you are going to get into the drivers seat there Zee? I remember well getting enough delegates to have an open convention and what happened? oh yeah, they changed the rules on us.
Being an independent I’m just curious. I gave up the parties a long time ago.
snowtigerredux 11.09.09 at 12:59 am
Zee, This whole “blame women” thing is out of control. I swear. I mentioned after Obumbles got the election that it would come to this.
I shudder to think where they will go next.
Zee 11.09.09 at 1:00 am
Oh, and snowtiger..? Hmmm…after several months of working hard for NO money I may rethink my stance about working for “not enough” money. I should amend that. I’ve been essentially PAYING to work, for all the study and prep I’ve had to do for no return…it’s bad out there for sales and promotions…
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 1:05 am
((((Zee and snowtiger))))
snowtigerredux 11.09.09 at 1:05 am
Zee 11.09.09 at 1:00 am
Oh, and snowtiger..? Hmmm…after several months of working hard for NO money I may rethink my stance about working for “not enough” money. I should amend that. I’ve been essentially PAYING to work, for all the study and prep I’ve had to do for no return…it’s bad out there for sales and promotions…
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I feel you Zee. I would hate to be in sales right now. My store is 50% off and I haven’t seen a profit in four months. I had to put one
of my two employees on half time. A young girl who is going to college. The other one is a 62 year old woman who’s social security is 5 dollars a month less than her rent.
Dangerous times.
snowtigerredux 11.09.09 at 1:06 am
(((goofsmom)))
Zee 11.09.09 at 1:09 am
snowtiger, it’s way more work than most of us would be able to do. I’ve outlined how it’s done. Scarborough used to give seminars on this…it’s a concerted effort from school boards on up. He used to fly back to Florida from DC in order not to miss a single school board meeting.
But it’s no more work, in fact less, than starting a “new” party from scratch. No getting around it.
And look at the women who ran against Kucinich. I railed about that on every online site and not one other person was interested in assailing the media to shame Kucinich into even one debate, despite the fact he whined incessantly about being shut out of debate himself, so it was a natural for a story.
It’s all about narrative and grassroots. A “new” party isn’t going to get either. But if women become the new narrative group to watch…the parties won’t be able to shut them down as easily as they have in the past.
Zee 11.09.09 at 1:12 am
((snowtiger)) It is dangerous times and main street is HURTING. I swear, I’m probably the worst salesperson of all times…all I want to do is BUY from all the hurting businesses I am supposed to be selling to!!
As Dorothy Parker said, I’ve never been a millionaire, but I bet I’d be DARLING at it. ;p
snowtigerredux 11.09.09 at 1:20 am
Zee, it may be more work to start another party but, fighting the current power brokers in the democratic party seems to be a losing proposition. we can all attest to that.
As far as “women voting block”. Never going to happen. Not unless you can come up with one single issue to unite the vast majority of women around.
Like the Jewish voting block and support for Israel.
snowtigerredux 11.09.09 at 1:22 am
Zee 11.09.09 at 1:12 am
((snowtiger)) It is dangerous times and main street is HURTING. I swear, I’m probably the worst salesperson of all times…all I want to do is BUY from all the hurting businesses I am supposed to be selling to!!
As Dorothy Parker said, I’ve never been a millionaire, but I bet I’d be DARLING at it. ;p
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Lol!! I am going to commander that quote.
snowtigerredux 11.09.09 at 1:44 am
Time for me to get some sleep. Night all.
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((PUMAS))
Zee 11.09.09 at 1:51 am
Night, snowtiger! I’m fading so fast, too…I need another Sunday…!
As far as the single issue women can unite over?
Mandatory Semen Insurance. Every zygote, fetus and child covered…by the sperm donor.
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 1:56 am
Nighty-night snowtiger and Zee… sweet dreams…
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 1:58 am
Seems the Fort Hood gunman Hasan attended the same mosque as 2 9/11 terrorists during 2001…
Link
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihGepAkECGoDagETVBMpPb3w7Y3gD9BRM8K00
Puma-SF 11.09.09 at 2:01 am
Here is a video of an interview with the rape investigator in the Richmond gang rape case. You will learn what a strong women Jane Doe is as well as lots of facts about the case:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7103002
How about a t-shirt with no more jane does? You know Jane Doe with a big red circle and a line through it?
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 2:04 am
Puma-SF,
I like the T-Shirt idea.
Puma-SF 11.09.09 at 2:09 am
goofs, I like it, too. I’d wear it for sure. You should watch the video. It was a great interview and you really learn a lot about the case as well as the young woman. This investigator has a tough job. She’s been doing it for 19 years, geez.
DancesWithPumas 11.09.09 at 2:10 am
Mañana on the t-shirt
DancesWithPumas 11.09.09 at 2:11 am
‘night
Puma-SF 11.09.09 at 2:13 am
Wow, you are quick. I can’t wait to see you, Dances. Sleep well.
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 2:13 am
Nighty-night Dances… Sleep well…
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 2:16 am
Puma-SF,
I was just watching the vid… Jane Doe sounds so strong and it is wonderful that there is so much community involvement in solving the case and bringing these thugs to justice.
The Sgt involved seems very, very support of her also. What a tough job to do for 19+ years. Being a woman and seeing this happen to women and girls every day. I know I would never be able to do her job.
Puma-SF 11.09.09 at 2:22 am
I am so thankful that she is there. I think having a woman makes it easier for Jane Doe. But you’re right it must be horrific for her. They are both incredibly strong women. I”m not hearing good things about the Rape Crisis Center, though. I think I’ll find out what’s going on.
Zee 11.09.09 at 2:23 am
More on the ex-wife of the DC sniper. She wrote a book, “Scared Silent” on domestic abuse. She was the “enemy” and her husband’s refrain was “I don’t care because you don’t matter.”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113506785
Zee 11.09.09 at 2:26 am
Trigger alert on the link above. That whole story is infuriating.
Puma-SF, I’m just loving everything I hear about the Richmond Jane Doe and her family. I wish her the best in her recovery.
Zee 11.09.09 at 2:28 am
ok, good night for real…
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 2:30 am
(((Zee))) sweet dreams…
Puma-SF 11.09.09 at 2:45 am
Night, Zee. Night, goofs. Yuck, tomorrow’s Monday.
goofsmom 11.09.09 at 2:50 am
Night-night Puma-SF…. sleep well…
MamaPuma 11.09.09 at 9:11 am
Good morning Puma World
I was just catching up and reading some of last nights comments when light dawned and I realized that we were threatened a year ago with loss of abortion rights if we voted for a republican.
Now that the Democrats have majorities in the Senate and House as well as the white house can somone please show me that they have protected women from attacks on reproductive rights?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????????????
persephone 11.09.09 at 9:21 am
“The House bill makes a mockery of President Barack Obama’s promise that those who currently have health insurance they’re satisfied with will not be forced to change. By setting up a government panel to mandate coverage levels, it will strip employees and employers of the right to negotiate their plans that suit their own needs. It also mandates that employers cover 72.5 percent of employee insurance or pay an 8 percent fine. Many employers will find the fine less expensive than the mandated policies and dump their employees into government sponsored plans.
It returns an HMO-style management system for determining what procedures and treatments are covered, what fees are paid and who can provide care. Americans have unpleasant memories of how such a system worked in the 1980s, and have no reason to think government can execute it any better.
The bill reaches well beyond the stated goals of providing everyone access to affordable health care and controlling the soaring costs of insurance. It diverts billions of dollars into ill-defined community health programs that are bound to become a major pay-off to Democratic interests. It also contains a series of gratuitous racial preference requirements.”
http://detnews.com/article/20091109/OPINION01/911090306/1008/Narrowly-passed-House-health-care-bill-lacks-broad-support–radically-disrupts-health-care-system
persephone 11.09.09 at 9:25 am
Berlin Wall blunder
World leaders past and present will be in Berlin today for the 20th an niversary of the fall of communist repression’s most visible symbol: the 112-mile concrete wall that split the city for more than a quarter-century.
Conspicuously absent: the president of the United States, Barack Obama.
Obama’s folks say he’s too busy to accept German President Angela Merkel’s invitation to attend today’s festivities
It’s pathetic that Obama won’t be there — and telling, as well.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/berlin_wall_blunder_p8phFezf5ZBp00v0Dj5SXO#ixzz0WMtasCyB
persephone 11.09.09 at 9:32 am
For anyone watching the teevee right now, Hillary press conference live on Fox.
She is in Germany (instead of Obama?)
NikkisMom 11.09.09 at 9:47 am
#213 – persephone,
It doesn’t seem to matter how many articles are written about how bad this bill will be for us, or how many people call & fax their congresscritters, or how many people march on Washington – they just keep moving on this monstrosity.
Even after hearing Lieberman & others calling it “DOA” in the Senate, after Saturday’s passage, I’m not so sure.
More people need to understand this is a bad bill, but how do we get that message out to them? The media is helping these losers. Maybe we need to prowl the media to help them understand *WHY* they’re losing so much viewership and $$$. They’re accomplices in this whole debacle.
NikkisMom 11.09.09 at 9:52 am
9/11 Cleric calls Ft. Hood soldier a Hero:
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=10066
excerpt:
Nidal opened fire on soldiers who were on their way to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. How can there be any dispute about the virtue of what he has done? In fact the only way a Muslim could Islamically justify serving as a soldier in the US army is if his intention is to follow the footsteps of men like Nidal.
NikkisMom 11.09.09 at 9:59 am
“They were aware months ago…”?? WTF? Why didn’t they arrest him then? Oh yes, now I remember – they were too busy investigating U.S. citizens & asking them to report their neighbors who were dissenting against the healthcare bill to the white house, and working to get Fox News banned from the airwaves and investigating the “Nazi” and “stinky” protestors.
Good grief
Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan tried to make contact with people linked to al Qaeda.It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873
persephone 11.09.09 at 10:03 am
Nikkismom
Those media cheerleaders make me sick.
They don’t seem to care about ratings or money-they have their marching orders and their Obot advertisers.
At a total loss here-doesn’t even feel right to rally people against the Senate bill. In my state we have John Kerry and some fool illegally appointed by the MA dems to vote in Ted Kennedy’s place.
No representation whatsoever.
Meanwhile, praise for Hasan is showing up in all sorts of places..
Some good questions here in “Going Muslim:”
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/08/fort-hood-nidal-malik-hasan-muslims-opinions-columnists-tunku-varadarajan.html
HP Boston 11.09.09 at 10:26 am
MamaPuma 11.09.09 at 9:11 am
You hear them say they are Democrats…the WH, House, and the Senate. Looks to me as if they are just all pet goats!
I would guess they all work for Saudi Arabia, have for a very long time and why we still are so dependant on oil and oil money. Now they are here and mean to move from the desert……….IMO
Notyoursweetie 11.09.09 at 10:42 am
The words from the amendment are exactly the same words Obama used in his healthcare speech. As Nancy sez, he provided the “vision” that made this possible. Women better get their act together by the time this come for vote in the Senate. If we sty quiet, next comes the regulation of the size of the stick we should be beaten with.
Here, in NYC, tabloids do Forst Hood
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/tabloids-and-ford-hood/
NikkisMom 11.09.09 at 11:00 am
BCL – is this the photo of Nancy kissing Obama that you mentioned the other day?
http://www.daylife.com/photo/06PG4B95k56RN
Cape Hatteras 11.09.09 at 11:33 am
Here is another reason to be angry . Typical government action, agonize over how to rename a problem , but no thought on how to fix the problem. Rage alert.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1226321/PC-brigade-ban-police-saying-gang-rape-emotive.html
prplvette85 11.09.09 at 11:48 am
Iran accuses 3 detained Americans of espionage
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091109/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_us_hikers
TEHRAN, Iran – A senior Iranian prosecutor accused three Americans detained on the border with Iraq of espionage on Monday, the first signal that Tehran intends to put them on trial.
The move could set up the Americans — who relatives say were hiking and strayed across the border from Iraq — as potential bargaining chips in Iran’s standoff with the West. The announcement came as Washington and Tehran are maneuvering over a deadlock in negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called for the release of the three. “We believe strongly that there is no evidence to support any charge whatsoever,” she told reporters in Berlin. “And we would renew our request on behalf of these three young people and their families that the Iranian government exercise compassion and release them, so they can return home.”
HP Boston 11.09.09 at 12:03 pm
I am beginingg to feel sorry for Hillary as she is out there on her own shoveling shit against the tide.
It is timee for her to tell OBUMA to go fuck his sorry self!!
Get off the sinking, stinking ship Hillary!! You, I and all women have to give up on these sexist pigs, they hate us.
They hate you! brush em off and get the hell away from them, NOW!
HP Boston 11.09.09 at 12:05 pm
Cape Hatteras 11.09.09 at 11:33 am
JFC what the hell planet have we landed on??
DancesWithPumas 11.09.09 at 12:13 pm
Cape Hatteras
Indicating /assuming gangs members are of any one race is racist in and of itself, isn’t it? No mention that they are by far comprised of males.
DancesWithPumas 11.09.09 at 12:16 pm
“gang”, “fairytale”, “no obama”, “disagreeing with the presididnt”, are raaaaaaaaaaaaaaacist.
Fluck the sexist shmucks.
persephone 11.09.09 at 12:38 pm
Phillipines
A month after his abduction, a Mindanao elementary school principal was beheaded by alleged members of the al-Qaeda linked Abu Sayyaf bandits and his head was left at a gas station in Sulu province early Monday, a ranking military official said.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/176559/abductors-behead-school-principal-in-sulu
persephone 11.09.09 at 12:39 pm
cuz infidels are hot?
Alleged Fort Hood Shooter Frequented Local Strip Club
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573052,00.html
Deb55 11.09.09 at 12:49 pm
OT: sorry..got this in an email.. thought those here may find intresting.
“U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda”
How sad..our men and Women died because of PC.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873
persephone 11.09.09 at 12:52 pm
like murphy, uppity speaks the truth:
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/besides-loving-him-his-strip-clubs-the-fort-hood-animal-has-an-imam-who-was-spiritual-advisor-to-two-911-killers/#comments
Deb55 11.09.09 at 1:06 pm
Intresting…France to cut HealthCare going broke.
That make 3 countries I am now aware of ..UK, Canada, now France.
“The commission rules out funding public spending by raising taxes because France’s taxes are already among the highest in the European Union. Instead, it recommends cutting national healthcare costs and budgets for local governments.”
http://www.france24.com/en/20091109-european-commission-wants-france-reduce-public-spending-deficit
NewOrleansPuma 11.09.09 at 1:09 pm
Can anyone say why M Coakley did not show up for a debate sponsored by of all groups..The League of Women Voters?
Ms. Coakley cited a long standing previous committment?
But I have not seen what that was.
The League of Women Voters is no slouch group to avoid. I am simply curious frankly.
NewOrleansPuma 11.09.09 at 1:22 pm
214 persephone ..Obama is not there because the survival and mememory of the unification of a Western Country and Western Civilizaton is not and never have been his priority.
He has shown his international priority… and his personal ones..bowing to the ignorant uneducated King of Saudi Arabia..Citing as is always his way with nothing but generalites of banal and inane content..
the many contributions of Muslims in this country? Has he or anyone else bothered to name one? No. Why? because somehow all those so called devout Muslims either are afraid of the jihadists or there devoteness ends up like this no count Major in the Army..who should have been kicked out of the Army as soon as the Army over 6 months prior to his murderous jihadst rampage saw and heard of his antiAmerican rantings…
Sen Liebermann is the only person who noted that this should be looked at and investigated as an internal jihadist terroist act and he will call hearings to follow up.
Too bad this no count Major is still on this earth…no wife..for which he said he wanted and now poor thing..
no 60 virgins waiting for him as a martyr..I said this guy is a looser on every front below and above. He should prosecuted as a traitor for that is what he is.
Going to a Muslim country..Egypt to make his first
NewOrleansPuma 11.09.09 at 1:24 pm
Sorry for typos and errors here..
BigCatLover 11.09.09 at 1:26 pm
Zee
I could go on. I met the jerk, and recognized immediately what the short-man-syndrome narcissist was all about, and researched him. Suffice it to say, it’s a waste of time to worship him…it was even a waste of time to have researched all the crap he’s really about before he latched onto this Cult Hero bs because even if he were sincere, which he’s not, he’s forever marginalized and a good thing he is, too.
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If you knew me you would know I don’t worship ANYBODY. All I said is that he agrees with my positions on things. You got a problem with the guy, you take it up with him. Stop coming on this blog and ranting at us. Grow up!
BigCatLover 11.09.09 at 1:30 pm
NikkisMom 11.09.09 at 11:00 am
BCL – is this the photo of Nancy kissing Obama that you mentioned the other day?
http://www.daylife.com/photo/06PG4B95k56RN
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The photo I saw was a full length one that showed them from head to toe, but it was from behind Pelosi just like this one is.
NewOrleansPuma 11.09.09 at 1:38 pm
i.e. memory…their devotedness…
..no 60 plus virgins waiting for him as a martyr..I say this guy is a loser …on every front..
…delete last phrase..
Moreover..the Army will now attempt to cover up and/or dissemble their severe errors in not getting rid of this jihadist fanatic…based on what they had on him…
The so called devote Muslims seek to devour anyone who dares to reject their perversions….of thought and action…That is their contribution on this earth. ..in this 21st century.
And for the record. Sharia law was designed by Saudi Arabians well after Mohammed in an attempt (a successful one) to control other Muslim tribes…something no one except Muslims who hate Saudi Arabi and its family of Kings.. might have the courage to tell you..Who might that be?
Iraquis…who fought against Sadaam years ago and lost family members to Saddam and came to this country years ago…Talk with some of them..if you wish..very interesting indeed
What some of them think of the Saudi King and his family…they think he and that family are in fact behind the jihadsts….and that is not a hard idea to take in…
persephone 11.09.09 at 1:40 pm
murphy
BOSTON — U.S. Senate candidate Martha Coakley says she wouldn’t have voted for the health care bill that passed the House over the weekend because of an amendment restricting abortion funding.
Rep. Michael Capuano, another Democrat vying to succeed the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, voted against the so-called Stupak-Pitts Amendment but in favor of the overall health care bill that narrowly passed the House late Saturday.
The amendment would prohibit abortion coverage for any health insurance product subsidized in any way by the federal government.
http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1210648
Capuano is a bit of a hog:
http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1210518
persephone 11.09.09 at 1:42 pm
Mikey missed 128 house votes this year-he must have been busy eating:
http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1210516
sistermoon3 11.09.09 at 2:07 pm
so pereshone, i would assume that if an insurance company is NOT subsidised by the government plan, they can cover abortions, would that be correct?
I read someone’s twitter, they had it right
SNEAKER of the House pelosi
prplvette85 11.09.09 at 2:21 pm
The amendment would prohibit abortion coverage for any health insurance product subsidized in any way by the federal government.
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aren’t they all subsidized in one way or another?
just sayin
persephone 11.09.09 at 2:22 pm
#242
i believe the *Stupid Pricks* amendment applies to all insurance companies that are part of the “exchange”
which, they all will.
further cause for concern. states that now supplement federal medicaid funding and pay for abortions will have to start all over (possibly in court)and call it something else.
still trying to get answers about this.
Report 11/1
State funding of abortion under Medicaid:
http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_SFAM.pdf
Cape Hatteras 11.09.09 at 2:26 pm
Everyone should watch “V” tomorrow. Last Week they showed the Evil Space lizards who brought Hope&Change had a Universal Health Care plan and a youth organzation for gullible punks.
Will this week we find out they are also antichoice?
Shadowfax 11.09.09 at 2:33 pm
HP Boston 11.09.09 at 12:03 pm
I am beginingg to feel sorry for Hillary as she is out there on her own shoveling shit against the tide.
It is timee for her to tell OBUMA to go fuck his sorry self!!
Get off the sinking, stinking ship Hillary!! You, I and all women have to give up on these sexist pigs, they hate us.
They hate you! brush em off and get the hell away from them, NOW!
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As much as I worry about Hillary’s safety out there in dangerous world, I love the fact that she is so courageous. She has the guts and brains to keep on keeping on no matter what dirt clods are tossed at her. She never gives up, she always speaks up for us and does us women proud. As long as she stays safe, I want to see her out front of the parade, with smarts, integrity and strength.
Go Hillary Clinton, go!!!!!!
We love you.
Shadowfax 11.09.09 at 2:35 pm
Cape Hatteras
Everyone should watch “V” tomorrow.
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My son asked me the other day why I wasn’t watching ‘V’…then he said, the say it is against Obama and I thought for sure you would watch it.
Maybe I will check it out.
NikkisMom 11.09.09 at 2:35 pm
While this article is about Owens abandonment of his key promises, it also mentions some of the things that are in the healthcare bill. No wonder they wanted to push this through so quickly on a Sat. nite.
http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7623:owens-to-break-campaign-promises&catid=60:st-lawrence-news&Itemid=175
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The House Health reform bill contains sections that cut Medicare benefits, tax existing health care benefits, and increases taxes on the middle class, yet Mr. Owens stated today that he will now vote in favor of those things contrary to what he had promised the voters of NY’s 23rd Congressional District that he would vote against.
…snip….HR 3962 contains potentially hundreds of billions of dollars in planned cuts to Medicare,…
…snip….HR 3962 also includes a range of various taxes on middle-class families as well as language to repeal tax relief already in place. ..
…snip…HR 3962 now also contains language that allows illegal immigrants to be covered under the legislation.
The Associated Press said this morning that: “House leaders said that, in keeping with the Hispanic Caucus’ demands, there was not likely to be any prohibition added to the House bill against illegal immigrants shopping in the exchange.” link –> http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7590:house-dems-push-for-votes-on-health-bill-&catid=54:worldnational-news&Itemid=153
admin 11.09.09 at 2:38 pm
Bulletin to Planet Dude posted,
take it upstairs!
admin 11.09.09 at 2:44 pm
please bring links.
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