I’d Like to Give a Shout Out to Obama

Count me in – forgot about his shout out at the beginning – like I said – little boy trying to be a man

so – convert to ISLAM – huh…………………. remember Ft Dix 6 – tell me again how great ISLAM is…………

sucks big time – get rid of all of them – FBI says is not terrorism – then what the hell is it??????????????

Fort Hood gun rampage kills 12, wounds 31
The Army says the shooter, a major, is dead. Two other soldiers are in custody.
Congressmen react in Washington
What’s being reported elsewhere
Killeen coverage from KWTX.com
Map of Killeen, photos of Fort Hood
Live video from the Associated Press

http://www.chron.com/

So what will happen since they are “military”? just get thrown in the brig for life? Because if they are tried in Texas as civilians Texas will pull that lever… they don’t play .. they love the death penalty.

Fox News has a retired general talking now – says this was a deliberate execution – not someone suffering from stress – except that he was upset about the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan – again ISLAM sucks – hope they fry the bastard

Ok, I can’t get through the video. Uhh, umm, uhhh. STFU!

Hi prplvette85! Had to go earlier. Thanks for asking about school. It’s going okay. I had a really hard test today but now I have a few days of downtime.

sheila7; Jeez, where were the effing teleprompters? What an absolute idiot.

Here is a disturbing story from my area. This is about 20 minutes from my house. What’s it gonna take to get the violence to end? It’s really starting to get to me!

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-body-apartment-dumpster-custody-110409,0,4379664.story

Press is sure tip toeing around about this – nobody has said anything about the creep being ISLAM convert but they finally did admit – don’t want to speculate about motive – jeezus christ – motive was simple – kill as many as he could before they killed him – asshole was probably hoping & thinking about his 72 74 ?? who cares – virgins that are waiting for him in MUSLIM heaven – rat bastard – hope this means they will all be scrutizied very very very carefully -

Is this another one of those moments that joe blow biden was talking about? ya know – the test for the man-child???

They are saying tha Malik Hasan was a frickin Psychiatrist, he was assigned to work with the soldiers. Jeezeus

sheila,
Of course! They are part of the Security team!

Transcript of 911 call in Richmond gang rape:

http://pumaeyes.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/the-911-call-reporting-the-oct-24-gang-rape-at-richmond-high-school/

I hear ya SYD. It’s getting old. I already have the chocolate out. (M & M ’s ) Perhaps I’ll get the wine next.
I think I might watch a good movie tonight. I don’t think I can stand to listen to anymore of the crap going on in this world.

A doctor?? A doctor terriorist like they had in England.
A doctor terriorist with a gun? A crazy fuking muslim terrorist doctor with a gun!!
What the hell is happening in our country. Oh yeaah Obuma happened we are so fucked!

Shooter reportedly from Jordan.

I had the tv on when Obama came out to speak and he pulled a piece of paper out of his coat pocket. I said, Geez did someone have to write his speech of condolence for him. Turned to the shopping channel and then went to exercise. I guess I’ll watch the video now, but I don’t want to.

Well my wonderful puma friends (the only sane people left in this country)I think I will go watch that movie and give myself a break from all the disturbing news of the day.
(((PUMAS)))

Talk to you soon!

sheila7
That video is horrible. Only made it through less than half. Was he completely thrown or what.

The Colonel is implying that the shooter was transferred from Walter Reed for a reason. Colonel saying he had been called some names by other soldiers when he wanted us to pull out of Iraq.

sheila7: It’s absoulutely horrific.

Well,well – cousin of shooter is saying guy was/is born & raised American but has always been muslim – but shep just tried to get more info & guy said he had to go couldn’t talk anymore – hah? guy said nobody should think anything about this – like what for instance – home grown terrorist??? ISLAM sucks.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Hasan’s cousin is on the phone with Fox tv saying that Hasan wanted to be in the military but could not take the taunts about his ethnicity and had tried every avenue to not have to go to fighting in the middle east. HIs family is completely shocked. His cousin saying that Hasan was never violent, ever.

Also reports are that the other two soldiers taken into custoday today have been released and did no shooting.

Mama Puma#39

Real deep shit. Our prez is not Bush Jr., he’s Nixon Jr. I don’t think any amount of grooming, propaganda, or telepromptering can disguise this man’s apparent dissociative disorder. I cannot believe that he would joke around like a 13 year old before making an announcement about a tragedy as profound as this. I feel ashamed and appalled by his behavior.

I keep thinking about the reports that the soldiers were reportedly getting depressed and unmotivated by the lack of a clear mission in Afganistan and thinking that they must feel lost and afraid. Can you imagine how they feel now. They are in danger at home as well as in combat.

This incompetent boob has to go.

Digby implies that the shooter is a right winger:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/ft.html

Oh, for gawd’s sake….

Juliette, #47

I think they are already scrubbing it.

Bush embodied the Peter Principle – promoted to his level of incompetence thanks to a lot of American voters (and maybe the Supreme Court). But I think he was basically humane, whereas Obama is just mind-boggling. Is he stuck in adolescence? Does he have any real concept of his position? Is he out of his mind? Or just completely lacking in heart and soul? And I get the feeling that those in positions of authority in the current White House are already “working around” him and his glaring disabilities. We are in for a rough ride and what’s worse is everyone blogging here already predicted and attempted to prevent this.

BigGator5 11.05.09 at 7:59 pm

I am in love with a female soldier located at WSMR in New Mexico.

So while I do not think she was in a any danger, she is shipping out to Iraq in February like these soldiers and I would like for you all to say a prayer for her and those who will ship-out soon.
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Our thoughts will be with her. Please thank her for her service to our Country for me.

Today is a horribly sad day…

Sending thoughts and prayers to all at Fort Hood. Please join me in lighting a candle for them…

http://www.light-a-candle.org/Prayers/83249

Big Gator 5,

Sending prayers for your loved one…

Missing Missouri woman found dead, 3 arrested….

http://www.kansascity.com/842/story/1550513.html

Live News from Fort Hood….

Female office was the first responder that shot Hasan… Update she is not dead… she just came out of surgery and is in stable condition..

Shooter Hasan UPDATE… he is not dead… repeat shooter Hasan is not dead, he was injured, is hospitalized and is in custody…

Somehow – muslim and good american sounds like an oxymoron to me – just sayin’ -

Look at our local news-Democrats did not turn out to vote for some unknown reason! I didn’t vote. Hmmm. BO’s badministration is trickle down toxicity.

http://www.mcall.com/news/all-a9_5exec2.70760412nov05,0,6234857.story

goofsmom
Yeah, women officers!

Hey goofsmom – as far as I’m concerned – CAIR – too little too late & it’s all a lie anyway………………they still think of us a infidels and ready for killing

ISLAM sucks – send them all to hell

Good news for female first responder………….

I won’t even try to watch the video, CAN’T SEE OR LISTEN TO HIM. In another note, why do we had a muslim in that capacity in the military, Am I missing something here …?

The Capital hallways echoed with “Kill the bill!” according to Congressman…

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/05/republicans-protesters-try-derail-health-care/

My favorite part of the speech was “it is an honor for ME to be commander in chief”

Hasan, also took 1/2 million dollars of free education from the US government, medical school, internship and money to live on……………….

Poor Hasan, I hope you spill the beans and fry in Hell.

Violet Sox post has an interesting comment thread. I noticed the liberal PUMAs don’t believe more conservative PUMAs have a right to exist. Oh well. I’m a pro-choice real-life feminist who thinks it’s ok if other people are pro-life because it’s a CHOICE. Wow-what’s so hard to understand about that? I don’t hold it against them unless they actually try to change the laws. Why so paranoid?

This mass shooting hit me like a ton of bricks fell on me.
The one and only time I was ever on a military base was for my sons “graduation” and that is what was happening today at Fort hood .
BO is a total asshole , he has no true empathy in his heart.
And Dr Celebrity ambulance chaser Dr Fill my pockets with money was on Crap news network spouting some more crap about how dare we profile someone … this was not making someone stand in line longer for a plane ..this home grown terrorist was already known to be an enemy sympathiser , and there was someone else involved with him . These guys opened fire with hand guns and a semi automatic on unarmed people , but goddess forbid we profile him ……….

A win for women and girls in Polygamist case out of TX…

“ELDORADO, Texas — The first polygamist sect member to face criminal trial following last year’s raid at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in West Texas was convicted Thursday of sexually assaulting an underage girl with whom he had a so-called “spiritual marriage.”

Raymond Jessop, 38, didn’t visibly react when the verdict was read after just more than two hours of jury deliberations. Free on bond during trial, he was immediately handcuffed and led to jail. Jurors were expected to return to court Monday to begin deciding his sentence on the child sexual assault conviction. He faces up to 20 years in prison.”

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hBU8uyQITnik8O4KnPAr1aXka0PAD9BPOUBO0

#81 Juliette
Agree with your statement. Bush was so incompetent and BO is just as bad, except with a weird twist of radicalism. (OOPS. Can’t say radical-it’s a rightwing code word.)

Obama giving a “shout out” when he’s there to make remarks about the shooting? OHMYGAWD – what a classless, narcissistic asshole.

BTW, channel surfing – I never go to MSNBC, but was looking to see what new developments were out on the shooting. Saw Keith Olbermann with his “worst …whatever”…he had a pic up of Michelle Bachman with label of “Coup de Twit”. Another freaking asshole.

I used to wait until the end of Bush’s second term, thinking that things would never be as bad as his 8 years in office……………..I was wrong.

Hasan was in the military since before 911………..I stand corrected that this freak should have not joined the military in the past eight years, he was already in the service.

Thanks, Murph. ‘Night!

Thanks Normapuma #86.

FL Barbara,

Yep, kinda blows your hair back doesn’t it…

“For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting_suspect;_ylt=AsfllxYfxoBO5ISiSIrGUYWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNiZHNobjg0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTA2L3VzX2ZvcnRfaG9vZF9zaG9vdGluZ19zdXNwZWN0BGNwb3MDMgRwb3MDNwRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDdHJvdWJsaW5ncG9y

Thanks Goofsmom

That is very scary.

What a terribly sad thing to have our military killed by one of their own right here at home.
Some of the victims survived a war zone. How terribly sad for them and their families.

PELOSI IS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE 72 HOURS TO READ THE BILL – SEEMS SHE LIED SEP 24
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/11/pelosi_breaks_pledge_to_put_he.asp

Pelosi Breaks Pledge to Put Final Health Care Bill Online for 72 Hours Before Vote

Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD that the speaker will not allow the final language of the health care to be posted online for 72 hours before bringing the bill to a vote on the House floor, despite her September 24 statement that she was “absolutely” committed to doing so.

House members are still negotiating important issues in the bill–whether it will provide taxpayer-funding for abortions, for example. Pelosi is pushing for a Saturday House vote, and a number of big changes will be introduced, likely less than 24 hours before the vote takes place (if in fact it does). The Rules Committee hasn’t yet released its resolution, or rule, that must be passed before the bill can move from committee to the floor. The rule will set the terms of debate and determine what amendments are in order.

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OUTRIGHT LIE

Greta has given up on us I believe – if we do not protest Pelosi’s blatant lies perhaps we deserve the outcome. PLEASE call Pelosi’s office, call your Reps, email them and tell them we expect to be able to read the D*** Bill and we expect them to read and understand it before they vote (on Saturday?) and we expect AT LEAST 72 hours in which to do it. Thanks

FL Barbara,

Saw that CNN video clip too.. Really weird… Who knows what happened in those 6 hours to cause him to snap.

Strange he couldn’t see his own symptoms…

Thanks ((Goofs)) – we cannot be distracted while the devious dictate our fate
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What a sad day – my heart breaks for the family and friends of the dead and injured
Sometimes I wish I lived in the woods without phone,comoputer and TV – to be unaware, for even a day, of the dreadful tragedies ….

(((RemNov)))

Me too… no phone, no computer, no tv… AMEN.

eamil – email – Pffft

freddiebrown,

One redeeming thing is the House passing the bill doesn’t mean the end. The Senate version still has to come out. Then the Senate and House have to wrangle out a final version. Then they both have to vote on the final combined version. Then and only then can the bill go to “O”.

The Senate has already said they may not have their version this year… thank goodness.

We still need to raise our voices so that these criminal liars know we are watching their actions and will VOTE THEM OUT if they vote for this bill.

FL Barbara,

It is a small blessing that Hasan didn’t decide to become a suicide bomber. What he did do was horrific enough.

I think it was justice that the first responder who shot him and stopped his rampage was a WOMAN !!!

(((freddiebrown)))

Goodnight All
Sweet dreams

“Night FLBarbara – sweet dreams – and ‘night all – Goofs and freddiebrown – see you all tomorrow – sweet and peaceful dreams when the sandman comes

Nighty-Night RemNov… sleep well…

CNN Poll… Vote for your favorite Hero…

They have two women in the line up…
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http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cnn.heroes/vote/
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Just thought it would be nice to do something positive… especially after all of today’s events.

freddiebrown. I don’t have healthcare coverage, my sister’s husband who has cancer and whose health insurance provides insurance for the family may run out very soon. My mother’s healthcare and prescription bills are exhorbitant every month. additionally, her employer is changing administrators of their healthcare plan which forces her to change doctors and probably prescriptions again! Honestly, I have a problem with Pelosi from last year but this woman has stood up and has continued to push for healthcare reform literally while republicans have mainly stood on the sidelines and said “no.” You should see the outrageous ads that are being run in W. Tennessee right now that are directed at Representative Tanner and are full of outright LIES!!! We’ve not gotten this far on voting on healthcare issues in a long time and even then it was for SCHIP. I don’t understand why you are so against this bill. I honestly can’t figure out if you’re against the bill or simply against Pelosi.

If this country isn’t going to stand up for single payer, then every damn employer SHOULD have to provide insurance and they SHOULDN’T get 4 damn years to START to get ready. Every INSURER SHOULD be required to accept EVERYONE and they SHOULDN’T get 4 damn years to wiggle, squirm, deny coverage, delay coverage, and do all the tactics that they do in order to get ready.

A 680 billion dollar defense bill was passed and no one blinked. When the Republicans don’t show up for committee meetings, when they didn’t allow anyone to read their legislation before voting, when they wrote the 1000 plus page patriot act that essentially disbanded our constitutional rights, no one complained. Now I realize that two wrongs don’t make a right but seriously, it’s time to stop messing around and start really passing some healthcare reform. The last time we TRIED to have healthcare reform, I was 15 years old. If this bill goes into effect with its current timetable, I will be 35 years old when it STARTS to go into effect and 38 or 39 when it is fully implemented.

I think we can strongly dislike Obama. I think we can even dislike Pelosi but this legislation is a decent attempt to correct for the highly unregulated insurance industry. Maybe later we’ll get single payer but this at least makes healthcare more accessible for all people. The problem with the CBO is that they don’t account for long-term savings by getting treatment to more people earlier and on a regular basis. All they can count is that person A cost zero dollars because they weren’t going to the doctor and now they’re going to cost X dollars because they have access and insurance to go to the doctor, which is totally ridiculous.

thanks for your reply goofsmom. I agree about 2013 issue. I was pissed to find that out. I think it should go into effect immediately, just like Obama said when he was running that “people can’t wait another year for healthcare” and we’ll be waiting until after his “presumptive” re-election which is irresponsible and dangerous.

I agree, also, about the issues regarding Medicare. According to Democrats and an interview I saw on Bill Moyers, the overhead on Medicare was about 2%. If that’s all, then we aren’t really wasting money on Medicare and then there will be real cuts. If we can sustain these cuts while not having deep loss of access, then the overhead is greater than 2%. That is a descripancy that has been presented on both sides. But, even with all of that, I think the healthcare bill should pass, partially because I think that not passing something now will give us another 20-30 years before we get to it again.

clintondemocrate,

I agree completely with your concern re: if we don’t we never will. At the same time this bill just flat out scares me because frankly nobody really knows whats in it. I don’t even think the people touting it know what it says in its entirety.

Just think about it… different committees come up with sections of the bill. Then they take all the sections and kind of clump it all together. Then they throw in an addition 300 to 400 pages of amendments. After all that’s done, do the people on the different committees go back through and read what the other committees did to the bill. Did they even read the amendments that where added to the bill and how those amendments may have affected what they originally came up in with in their particular commitee.

The bill is over 2000 pages now… Even if Pelosi kept her promise and posted it online 72 hours prior to voting, how could any group of people read and really comprehend the complete ramifications of what they’re reading.

It just plain scares me with what they maybe agreeing to do with our health care and they don’t even know.

Would it hurt them to slow down and take a couple of weeks to read the bill, refine it and turn out something we could all welcome? That really all I’m asking for.

Pelosi and the House have time… the Senate version won’t be out for at least a month or two, so what would it cost them to be more cautious.

The only reason I see for the rush and hurry is because Pelosi made a promise to “O” to have the bill out and she is going to meet that deadline come hell or high water and damn the public along the way.

Oops Sorry for the extra “e” clintondemocrat…

clintondemocrat,

You are right on the money about waiting for years for our government to get it’s act together and do the right thing for the public. Healthcare should be a priority and something that is passed.

I think the Republicans would still yell about the bill even if it was 5 pages. Especially if one of the pages said Insurers must cover anyone with pre-exsisting, that there would be a cap on fees Insurers can charge the public, and finally a cap on Malpratice lawsuits. So you don’t digress.

Sadly if they don’t get the Senates version out by the end of the year, the HC bill will get caught up in the 2010 election cycle anyway. That’s why I feel the House needs to clean up their version so it can be something positive, instead of being used as a political whip against each other.

I feel in some ways they have already started using it as a barometer for their campaigns next year anyway.

So sad and the public loses out again…

Clinton democrat – How will Pelosi’s healthcare bill help with your concerns with health insurance/health care? If you don’t have health insurance now, under the bill you will be mandated to have it or pay a yearly penalty and employers will be mandated to give you health insurance or pay a yearly penalty which will be cheaper than covering their employees. It will phase in penalties for businesses that fail to provide insurance, starting at 2 percent for firms with a payroll of $500,000 and ending at 8 percent for businesses with a payroll of $750,000 or more.

I read the health care bill and don’t see how it will help you and that is the problem with the bill.

http://www.innovations.harvard.edu/xchat.html

link for registration for webinar on violence against women – also posted in women lynching forum

fl barbara 115

yes, I read also that this guy was making comments indicating his sympathy for the enemy

clintondemocrat 132 et seq

I have the same concerns. Have you seen Michael Moore’s Sicko? Compelling. I have also heard that the overhead on Medicare is about 2% and for private insurance companies more like 25%. The CEOs of the major companies, or the people sent in their place, admitted before a Congressional panel that coverage will be rescinded even if the patient made an innocent mistake, like failing to report a yeast infection. Thousands of people die because of lack of health care coverage. How do we call ourselves a civilized nation?

a friend told me she doesn’t want the government calling the shots on whether she gets health care. I told her, private insurance companies do that already! And they do it for profit so their criminal CEOs and execs can enjoy bonus money while people die because of their murderous policies.

HR 676 was the answer, but the Corporate State could never allow a bill to pass that required for profit health insurance companies to convert to non-profit status to do offer coverage.

((((((((PUMAS))))))))))

thank you Murphy and Dances and everyone for all you do.

Good morning ((((PUMALAND))))

yesteday was VERY disturging, I was effing all night.

I work with Homeland Security—-This was TERRORISM

It’s called DOMESTIC TERRORISM——I cannot wait to
see what Mr. Obama does with this,

Have to catch up

Good Morning Pumas.
I am trying to catch up on last nights posts. Some interesting conversations.
I just heard the unemployment news:
U.S Unemployment rate at 10.2 % highest in 20 years. This does not include people who have got a part time job or who’s benefits have run out.
FoxNews.

As far as this hr bill, They need to slow it down. Let it be read thoroughly. What is the real rush, except to appease the fraud we now call the prez. Just look at how the government handled the swine flu pandemic and the current Medicare program. This bill is too big, it not only effects the uninsured, it effects the literally everyone in the health industry, future lively hoods of Medical Students and the way current physicians run their own medical practices. It will be total Government control with the help of the IRS, from huge corporations down to the small mom and pop business. It’s like having a chip implanted in every American, a tracking system. It will effect wages and benefits of every working American, our children and grandchildren long after we are dead.

More on unemployment from government press release:

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION — OCTOBER 2009

The unemployment rate rose from 9.8 to 10.2 percent in October, and nonfarm payroll employment continued to decline (-190,000), the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.

The largest job losses over the month were in construction, manufacturing, and retail trade.

Household Survey Data In October, the number of unemployed persons increased by 558,000 to 15.7 million. The unemployment rate rose by 0.4 percentage point to 10.2 percent, the highest rate since April 1983. Since the start of the recession in December 2007, the number of unemployed persons has risen by 8.2 million, and the unemployment rate has grown by 5.3 percentage points. (See table A-1.)

Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rates for adult men (10.7 per- cent) and whites (9.5 percent) rose in October. The jobless rates for adult women (8.1 percent), teenagers (27.6 percent), blacks (15.7 percent), and Hispanics (13.1 percent) were little changed over the month. The unemployment rate for Asians was 7.5 percent, not seasonally adjusted. (See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Hasan was listed as a participant in a Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force last year. He participated in disaster preparation — he knew the drill. Here, he’s listed on a page with the ironic title, “Thinking Anew — Security Priorities For The Next Administration”

http://api.ning.com/files/FV-XKhSX7HI1QLmL*gx9PnagZzfJtD7himekVGZ1wDXPcXQRAiIIa8FsPR0ygKnOdjq4vCah-tOTY81bsM0pPNYPjL6C72lO/HasanHomelandSecurity.jpg

http://bobmccarty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf
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My thinking anew would be no muslims in homeland security, but that is not PC

Juliette 11.05.09 at 11:46 pm

Swannie #82

Yes I was watching that idiot Dr. Phil O’Shit on Larry King along with, (who the hell was that woman) and another guy who actually made sense. I’ts hard to tolerate any other news outlet other than Fox for more than a few minutes. I just go to CNN and MSNBC once in a while to see if there are any signs of lucidity. Seems they are still in denial.
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That woman was Shoshonne Johnson, a female POW captured in the early days if the Iraq war at the same time as the little blonde girl who the Bush admin tried to make a propaganda tool out of until she finally went public and told the real story of her capture. Shoshonne and Dr. Phil (who I do not agree with or watch) were upset because the other guest felt Hasan was simply a terrorist and was downplaying the PTSD angle. In other words, Shoshonne was defending the effects of PTSD. I know that Hasan had not been in combat, but they got upset because they thought the other guest was downplaying the role of PTSD in violence.

Muslim:C28B20N4629 “The Messenger said: ‘One who is wounded in the Way of Allah – and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way – will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.’”

Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.’”

Qur’an:2:217

Say: ‘Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter.
. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause have the hope of Allah’s mercy.”
so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”

I did not catch the Glen Beck interview with Katie Couric when it was on tv, but i just now watched the fairly long segment of it, and other than Katie having a Sharon Stone moment while crossing her legs, I forced myself to watch the entire interview
and I must say, it turned out to be one of the best interviews i have seen lately, even i am in shock.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5330485n

#137 well, we have played to long at the fair with them peresphone, period, it’s time for the UN to get off their asses and the countries of the free world to send a loud message.
It’s armed and dangerous.

And let’s face it, Secret Service would be to no avail if civilian policemen and women were not a part of that scenario.

sistermoon3
You misunderstood my question. It was why were civilian police called first? Of course fbi and secret service would not be a first responder, especially on a military base. And it has not always been common for civilian police to go on a military base.

It makes sense that after 911 he wanted out of the army, he was know being asked to fight his own.
If he took up a sword against his own he would rot in hell with his impending deployment the only way out for him was to do sadly as his religious belief required.
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Then why did he bother to “re-up”? Why didn’t he apply for Conscientious Objector discharge. Why didnt he just go AWOL. Why didnt he just commit suicide. Why didnt he go to Iraq and fight with his own against the US? He had plenty of options…
I hope he suffers a slow painful death. How about putting him in the middle of some arena and letting Fort Hood soldiers and the families of the now dead simply stone him to death? This punishment would be more closely aligned with his “religious” beliefs.

Islam sucks
Testosterone sucks

DWP
Agreed testerone sucks.
But I got to wonder why the military did not heed the dangers in sending a Muslim to a war against his own that he had gone through official channels to avoid. That is putting the other soldiers at the front in danger. He could have been sent anywhere – why Irag? I think that is a valid question, even though his actions were ridiculous and obviously motivated by his religion.

# 167 heres the link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting_officer;_ylt=ArH7U7fCkJymKmBHEgtsGKWs0NUE;_ylu=X3

BigCatLover 11.06.09 at 12:26 pm
DWP
Agreed testerone sucks.
But I got to wonder why the military did not heed the dangers in sending a Muslim to a war against his own that he had gone through official channels to avoid. That is putting the other soldiers at the front in danger. He could have been sent anywhere – why Iraq?
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I thought he was being deployed to Afghanistan?
If you make a career of the military… collect the $$$$, perks/benefits, etc. then it’s reasonable that you would be expected to participate in armed conflicts and wars, regardless of MOS. The one thing all military have in common at all ranks is weaponry and the training to use it.

Against his own?? Isn’t he an American citizen first and foremost? Didnt he swear an oath to protect and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic?
Don’t want to participate? Refund all the money taxpayers invested in your training and benefits.

http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=36899
local newspaper for Fort Hood and a statement from it-
In the morning, neighbors said Hasan handed Qurans and donated his furniture to anyone who would take it.

DWP
I heard Iraq, but the story keeps changing, so you may be right. Agree to all your points, and don’t want to get into a military dispute here. With military all over the world, why did it have to be to the middle east when it put our other soldiers in danger? If not in danger, then you’re sending someone who may not give them the needed counseling they need because he is too torn between allegiances.

Obama says he ordered all WH and federal building flags lowered to half staff from now until Veterans Day. Someone is trying to save his bacon (bacon, where is TT?).

Moment of silence would be 24 hours after the shootings occurred, I believe.

Islam and Islamic males suck

DWP
Not redundant but poignantly correct.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/83_say_proof_of_citizenship_should_be_required_to_get_government_health_aid

maybe if 83% of the citizens would demand proof of Obama’s citizenship stance we would get to find the damned truth out about one freaking thing about him

Robert gibbs is holding a press briefing on Fox now.

goofsmom 11.06.09 at 1:01 am
FL Barbara,
Saw that CNN video clip too.. Really weird… Who knows what happened in those 6 hours to cause him to snap.
I’d Like to Give a Shout Out to Obama
URL: http://pumapac.org/2009/11/05/id-like-to-give-a-shout-out-to-obama/
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I don’t believe he suddenly snapped. This was pre-meditated murder.
The morning of the massacre he gave out Qurans and all his furniture to anyone who would take it.

Think the link was nytimes

freddiebrown 11.06.09 at 1:08 am

Meanwhile, while the whole country is captivated by this sad situation in Fort Hood , Texas…. Ms. Pelosi in tandem with Mr. Obama and his supporters are going to push this Health Bill through, come hell or high water. Something needs to be done.
There is strength in numbers, we must unite, all of us against those who want to take our freedoms away from us.

The large numbers who are out there protesting are showing us the way to go. If the hacks in Washington do not listen, soon these large crowds will be armed!