Learn more about this film and the September worldwide movement in support of it HERE.
For New York area Pumas, there will be a special FREE screening of the film Monday, September 21st at Hunter College the School of Visual Arts, with the director and producers, including Abigail Disney (niece of Walt and Lily, and also featured in the same NYT magazine as one of a new breed of rich women who now donate their charity to WOMEN’S organizations). Click HERE for more info. I’m tempted to go myself.
In the recent New York Times Magazine issue devoted to the plight of women worldwide, Deborah Solomon interviewed Liberian president Ellen Sirlieaf, first woman head of state in Africa in history. She asked Madam President whether if women ruled the world, war would still exist. Sirleaf’s answer:
“No. It would be a better, safer and more productive world. A woman would bring an extra dimension to that task — and that’s a sensitivity to humankind. It comes from being a mother.”
I love that answer. If women ruled the world, there would be no war. I don’t know if she’s right, but I would really like to find out.
But my favorite quote from the interview is in the last question:
Q: Why do you think we’ve never had a female president in the United States?
A: “I have to ask you that question. You’ve got to vote for her.”
Something tells President Sirleaf may be a Hillary supporter. That makes her a Puma in my book.
“You’ve got to VOTE for her.”



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Juliette 09.01.09 at 7:56 pm
Looking forward to seeing this film.
Thanks for giving it attention Murphy.
Headclunker 09.01.09 at 8:11 pm
President Sirleaf knows. We are half of the whole. Our society will not grow and prosper without our inclusion.
You’ve got to VOTE for her.
Swannie 09.01.09 at 8:31 pm
We are more than half of the whole ( I have not forgetten Heidi Lis 51% ) and if some of that half be the loyal opposition , at least they will be the WOMEN of the loyal opposition . I realise that some people do not get that some women will be of different minds ,and yet deserve support as women . We need all of them .
NYCgirl 09.01.09 at 8:31 pm
Murphy,
I just saw this post come up on Twitter. If you come into town for the movie, I hope you will give me a sound.
NYCgirl
normapapuma 09.01.09 at 8:58 pm
Goofsmom,
#27 prior thread-The address for Planas is not taking on my email about ERA sponsorship. Will try again after I check it…
NYCgirl 09.01.09 at 9:02 pm
According to this info on the movie’s site, the NYC screening on 9/21 will be at the School of Visual Arts, not Hunter College as Murphy said in her post:
http://www.praythedevilbacktohell.com/nonflash/screenings.htm
NYCgirl
FLBarbara 09.01.09 at 9:13 pm
normapapuma 09.01.09 at 8:58 pm
It works for me
jc.planas@myfloridahouse.gov
If not let me know I will see if there is another one.
normapapuma 09.01.09 at 9:23 pm
FLBarbara
ok-sent!
Thanks.
I just don’t get it… BO’s numbers are going UP with Dems and down with everyone else. What does this MEAN?
RememberNovember 09.01.09 at 9:23 pm
been posting away happily unawares downstairs…..here’s the last post. I’m sure Dances will find the other one!
Murphy – love the president Sirleaf quotes above.
Guess I watched the same coverage as some of you re – the NEA – the part of the taped conf call that got my attention was how they were ‘just learning how to communicate “safely”‘. I am seriously beginning to think this has all been a major conspiracy a long time in the making – hate to even admit to myself and there’s no-one to tell – all my friends definitely lost their way last November. Mind you, one or two are now bringing things up for discussion and there is a wee bit of back peddling. Have to bite my tongue not to say ‘We told you so’. If it wasn’t for Pumas I don’t know where I would have turned since last November. Thanks all!
Back to work…
LJSNAustin 09.01.09 at 9:30 pm
Yes. It’s worth repeating over and over again:
You’ve got to VOTE for her!!!
admin 09.01.09 at 9:35 pm
reminds me of Bill Clinton’s quote, “We don’t just need a new style of leadership, we need a new GENDER of leadership.”
love that guy.
normapapuma 09.01.09 at 9:36 pm
#9 I would hope there would be backpeddling, but not among Dems according to the polls. I guess my exile will be really looong.
Juliette 09.01.09 at 9:39 pm
Remember
Thanks for reposting your comment about the NEA. This is a really important story. Maybe it’s important to me partially for selfish reasons but it should also be important to all Americans who value freedom of expression.
I had a response to your comment down stairs.
FLBarbara 09.01.09 at 9:41 pm
“YOU’VE got to VOTE for HER”
perfect perfect perfect
BillieJo 09.01.09 at 9:46 pm
FLBarbara 09.01.09 at 9:41 pm
“YOU’VE got to VOTE for HER”
perfect perfect perfect
————
Then you have to count all the votes fairly and not give some of her votes to him just ’cause he would make a good puppet.
DancesWithPumas 09.01.09 at 9:46 pm
I’m sure Dances will find the other one!
———–
Huh? Whaaa?
normapapuma 09.01.09 at 9:50 pm
This is OT, but I love this brave woman! God bless and protect
her.
http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2009/09/rima-salha-host-of-death-industry-in.html
motherearth 09.01.09 at 9:57 pm
YOU’VE GOT TO VOTE FOR HER !!!
Love it
normapapuma 09.01.09 at 10:00 pm
On that happy note of a female Muslim crusader against terrorism, I’m going off to sleep. Good night!
DancesWithPumas 09.01.09 at 10:20 pm
“YOU’VE got to VOTE for HER.”
http://www.cafepress.com/DancesWithPumas/6873271
BillieJo 09.01.09 at 10:58 pm
BillieJo 09.01.09 at 10:55 pm
Greta just said Blago will be on her show next Tuesday…it’s been a long summer without Blago news.
Juliette 09.01.09 at 10:59 pm
Have to turn in early tonight. Had an exhausting day.
Can’t wait to go grocery shopping at Whole Foods tomorrow for the sheer pleasure of pissing off Obotts.
Yes I’ll be participating in the BUY Cott.
Love Whole Foods. Hate Obama Facists.
Goodnight Pumas.
FLBarbara 09.01.09 at 11:28 pm
BillieJo
You will never get an arguement from me on than “YOU need to count all the votes”
For HER.
pumacraig 09.01.09 at 11:29 pm
I went to the Buycott at Whole Foods tonight we did good here in St. Louis. They estimated 800 buy-cotters attended between 5pm and 9pm. They ran out of shopping carts. Protested Sunday. DNC is having a bus tour like the Tea Party Bus Tour. The bus was painted and looked like NOOBAMA’s campaign bus with his logo on it etc. The folks that got off the bus were not Electric Union workers for sure they were SEIU and Acorn. (FYI: I am for unions just not for NOOBAMA’s unions) Even though they were bussed in and more then likely paid. We had more folks then they did. We out numbered them. There were Hillary Democrats like myself, Independents, Conservatives, and Libertarians, Greens Republicans. What was great is that know one payed attention to what party each belonged too. It was about taking our country back and stopping NOOBAMA etc. There was old and young protesting. It was great!!!!
DancesWithPumas 09.01.09 at 11:46 pm
MURPHY
21, 2009 Presented by Assumption College
Kennedy Building, Room 112
500 Salisbury Street
7:30 pm
Contact: Amy Gazin-Shwartz, agazin@assumption.edu
WORCESTER, MA
PUMAS
National Listing of viewings:
h/t NYCgirl
http://www.praythedevilbacktohell.com/nonflash/screenings.htm
sheila7 09.01.09 at 11:48 pm
pumacraig,
I didn’t watch the news tonight. I wish I would have known you were going.
it sounds like you must be doing better healthwise.
DancesWithPumas 09.01.09 at 11:54 pm
Well, I have to feed my 16 cats, pluck my chin whiskers, wash my support hose, soak my dentures, and maybe bitter knit a kleenex box cozy…
Goodnight Pumas
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 12:00 am
September 25, 2009
Presented by The Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice at the University of San Diego and the Bearing Exquisite Witness Arts Festival
Peace and Justice Theatre at the Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice
5998 Alcala Park
Contact: Melissa Lucas, (619) 260-
SAN DIEGO, CA
Yesssssssssssssssssssssss!!
Juliette 09.02.09 at 12:05 am
Pumacraig
Still awake. Had a phone call. I saw your lovely comment from a couple of threads ago. Nice to meet new Pumas. Glad you had a sucessful BUY cott. I don’t think anything organized is going on at The Whole Foods where I often shop. I am just going tomorrow although I am not in dire need of groceries. I hope this BUY cott doesn’t make me fat.
Goodnight again Pumas.
I have the same feelings about unions. They started out for all the right reasons. Now so many of them, especially the SEIU are just Obama’s paid thugs.
sheila7 09.02.09 at 12:17 am
Goodnight Dances
Goodnight Juliette
sheila7 09.02.09 at 12:18 am
Going to bed myself. Long day today and long day tomorrow.
Goodnight PUMAS.
pumacraig 09.02.09 at 12:34 am
sheila7
No I am not doing good health wise. My muscle disease has progressed and my lungs do not function properly and I was in a wheel chair at the protest. But I have to do what ever I can to take back our country. When I die and that will be sooner then later. I want to go knowing I did all I could to change the course our country is on. I see you are very busy. I don’t talk or see the others anymore. Hope to see you at other protests.
pumacraig 09.02.09 at 12:44 am
Juliette 09.02.09 at 12:05 am
Thank you Juliette. I think its great you are going to buycott @ whole foods even though it isn’t organized. You will make a difference by going. I don’t write often on site. I write when I think you all might like to hear whats going on in St. Louis Missouri. I read what you all have to share everyday. Have a good nights rest.
Swannie 09.02.09 at 12:46 am
Puma craig..sending you strong healing .. you are stronger in spirit than many people …
RememberNovember 09.02.09 at 12:58 am
(((pumacraig))) – sending Puma love…….
We have not “met” before but look forward to seeing you here.
Glad you are supporting WF – did my own buy cott but nothing organized – WF business in doing very well, thankfully.
See you next time
pumacraig 09.02.09 at 12:59 am
Swannie
Thank you for the healing. My friends say I am just very stubborn!(:
pumacraig 09.02.09 at 1:08 am
RememberNovember
Thank you for the puma love it is a real good love! Yes WF is doing real good thanks to Pumas and others. We only had 1 guy in the store with a Obama t-shirt on. We all were asking where is SEIU and Acorn? We were a little disappointed they didn’t show up! LOL
That BO, DNC grass root movement is not as big as media and BO, DNC etc. wants us to think. Have a good nights sleep
Puma-SF 09.02.09 at 1:08 am
We need more women in law enforcement as well. You can credit two women for finally ending the nightmare of Jaycee Lee Dugard.
RememberNovember 09.02.09 at 1:31 am
Puma-SF – were the Berkeley campus police women?
I thought it was pretty good observation skills that focused in on the children’s interaction with their father…… Makes more sense if that’s the case (being sexist again)
RememberNovember 09.02.09 at 1:33 am
pumacraig – just watched interview the St Louis spokeswoman for the Whole Foods buy cott. She mentioned the one guy with an Obama t-shirt! “night – sweet dreams
RememberNovember 09.02.09 at 1:38 am
‘night (((Pumas))) – ‘night lurkers
– come join us sometime
Puma-SF 09.02.09 at 1:44 am
Yes, she was a woman. She noticed the odd behaviour of the children so approached hime and asked him who he was. He gave her his name and said the two girls were his daughters. She looked him up found out he was on parole for rape and kidnapping and immediately called his parole officer who said “he doesn’t have two daughters”. If she had just been a regular citizen her report would have gone nowhere just like the other woman who reported suspicious behaviour.
theamericanway 09.02.09 at 7:59 am
This is probably gonna fry Murphy’s grits:
Obama hosts dinner for Islamic holy month
By ANN SANNER (AP) – 9 hours ago
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Tuesday praised American Muslims for enriching the nation’s culture at a dinner to celebrate the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
“The contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog because Muslims are so interwoven into the fabric of our communities and our country,” Obama said at the iftar, the dinner that breaks the holiday’s daily fast.
The president joined Cabinet secretaries, members of the diplomatic corps and lawmakers to pay tribute to what he called “a great religion and its commitment to justice and progress.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j7cbfd9xAtkkEln6abema8aVCtvwD9AET4UO0
SYD 09.02.09 at 8:22 am
Nice to hear about the Buycott! Thanks PUMAcraig.
Our Whole Foods is not having a Buycott that I know of. But, I am attending their wine tasting for the first time this Friday.
This could become a weekly habit….
prplvette85 09.02.09 at 8:38 am
I just found a Whole Foods Store in a town not far from me whoo hooo!
I am going today, taking some Puma business cards, wearing my Speak even if your voice is shaking shirt, and will strike up some conversations about women running for office and the need to vote them in! Finally something I can participate in again. I am in Puma fighting mode woot..woot!
prplvette85 09.02.09 at 8:41 am
*clarification…. fighting in the sense of getting the word out..ERA, kill the HR3200 bill, voting women in……
but then again…I will be surrounded by obots
prplvette85 09.02.09 at 8:46 am
theamericanway 09.02.09 at 7:59 am
The president joined Cabinet secretaries, members of the diplomatic corps and lawmakers to pay tribute to what he called “a great religion and its commitment to justice and progress.”
————————————————
let us not forget how he was really raised….and where he lived.
islam sucks
throw the bums out
impeach obama
VOTE WOMEN IN
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 8:46 am
Puma SF
amen on the two police officers, read an early article about their observation of subtle cues that led them to following up on the mutant barbarian. Only one article mentioned they were women, had they been male… there would have been more made of them and their gender.
Agree. We need more women in law enforcement AND every other area to elevate civilization beyond this Dullard Barbarian Age
not only is it brutal it’s fracking boring
admin 09.02.09 at 9:11 am
Holy smokes. I am flabbergasted right now. The two Berkeley police officers were WOMEN?? Having been in Berkeley for all of 30 hours I felt proud that it was the campus police who started the ball rolling on that evil man.
But with my unconscious sexism I assumed it was a dude policeman.
shoot! Thanks Puma SF — that is awesome. I mean, nothing related with this story is awesome, but you know what I mean.
sistermoon3 09.02.09 at 9:20 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDEAYgm0Dv8&feature=player_embedded
this teacher, i suppose is still at the school which is only
3 or 4 miles from my house, i will never forget how badly i felt for the young girl in that classroom.
And now, this up and coming speech to all k-12 students from the pres on sept 8, if i were a parent i would take my child shopping that day, or to the library, or heck anything but allow them to be put through that kind of scenario, i wonder if schools are sending out letters to parents which they officially have to do if they indeed are going to let his speech be part of the ciriculum that day. Now, i dont know about any of you feel about this, but i cant help think, would Obama like for his girls to have to listen to another president while in school, would Michelle, oh i think not.
If Obama and michelle say, and i agree, hands off our children, then for God sakes Obamas, hands off ours, this is simply freaking alinsky playbook, and hey, let’s just check out how wonderful the chicago schools are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
The “do what we say” presidency is beyond all things i thought were possible in this country. Oh and hey, do you think the other side should get a spot for all the children across the country? I mean, hey well, that’s my feelings about this matter and they aint good
sheila7 09.02.09 at 9:33 am
Morning PUMAS!
I watched the two women cops on some show the other night. Yep, they rock. They said something just wasn’t right.
pumacraig,
Sorry you’re not doing better. But, glad to see that doesn’t stop you. Hang in there.
Notyoursweetie 09.02.09 at 9:37 am
Brooks & Obama look down their perfectly creased pants at us
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/brooksclinton-could-sort-of-talk-like-us-but-obama/
sheila7 09.02.09 at 9:40 am
WTF!
Obama Praises Islam as ‘Great Religion’
President says Islam is “part of America,” hails the religion’s “commitment to justice and progress”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/01/obama-calls-islam-great-religion-ramadan-dinner/
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 10:14 am
@ #53
from article:
“Obama also noted the contributions of Muhammad Ali…”
yeah, one would think he might have felt wary about mentioning Muhammad Ali. It reminds people of the time when Tony Rezko was director of the Muhammad Ali Foundation. Rezko was a partial owner of the same food company as Jerbir Muhammad, who managed Muhammad Ali. Jerbir Muhammad was the son of Nation of Islam founder Elijah Muhammad. Louis Farrakhan is the national representative of Elijah Muhammad.
All were Chicagoans, like Obama. Yay!
sistermoon3 09.02.09 at 10:22 am
WH senior aide: Obama considering major speech on health care
LOLOLOL that’s a title of a headline on cnn
they actually think its NEWS
hell, what does he ever do about anything, ah, he makes a speech
he doesnt write legistlation, he doesnt work on legislation, he does require any time to actually work, unless you call listening to people that tell him what to do each day.
and what does the secretary of education do, oh i know
let’s let him make a SPEECH on education to the ummmmmmmmmmm
kidsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
sheila7 09.02.09 at 10:24 am
kat in your hat,
Oh that’s lovely. So glad we are doing things the Chicago way in our country now. Not.
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 10:25 am
PumaSF
see Murphy’s comment? My bet is most people didn’t know the officers were women.
I’m almost positive that more women would tune into “very subtle clues” (as reported in the article I read) than most men would.
GOSUEF4HIL 09.02.09 at 10:32 am
Off topic and I haven’t been here in a few days…
but this is music to my ears:
http://www.examiner.com/x-6572-NY-Obama-Administration-Examiner~y2009m9d2-New-Zogby-poll-numbers-get-even-worse-for-Obama?cid=examiner-email
off to work, BBL today for sure
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 10:43 am
Love the Quote of the Day (lefthand sidebar).
Altho… I could have done without the “it comes from being a mother” part.
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 10:44 am
sheila, I know, it’s so blegh!!!
____________
Concerning the two women police officers saving the day…I too imagined male security guards for first reports, though vaguely, I am not sure if that is all me or if a reporter assumed they were male as well and wrote it that way. I read about the two women officers in an article a few days and I thought about it all. Here’s a photograph of them: http://tinyurl.com/lsbqdo
Also, a neighbor called the police in 2006 because she/he suspected something odd at that house/ secret backyard. Wonder if it was a woman neighbor?
Dances says “very subtle clues”– have you read the play called “Trifles” by Susan Glaspell? Very good. It’s all about how the men, detectives/ residents, couldn’t figure out a motive for murder (a husband murdered by wife) and the wives figured it out together based on very subtle clues, things only a woman might notice.
____________
Q: Why do you think we’ve never had a female president in the United States?
A: “I have to ask you that question. You’ve got to vote for her.”
That is so simple and brilliant. I’ll remember that.
sheila7 09.02.09 at 10:49 am
Dances,
It is a great quote. You know though, I don’t think it is necessarily being a mother but more a maternal instinct that women have.
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 10:55 am
Sheila, understood. I’ll go with intuition… deeper inner knowing.
sheila7 09.02.09 at 10:56 am
Yep, intuition. Women definitely have it.
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 10:58 am
psssst… yoohooo, pan politico palinists… just so you know:
(CNN) — Sarah Palin’s political action committee is handing out cash to some of the most conservative members of Congress, a new report filed with the Federal Elections Commission reveals.
According to the latest disclosure with the FEC, SarahPac has donated to money to Minnesota Rep. Michelle Bachmann, Tennessee Rep. Marsha Blackburn, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch and Senate hopeful Rob Portman of Ohio.”
snipped
cnn.com
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 11:02 am
Diane Sawyer is taking over Charlie Gibson’s position as World News anchor on ABC. Good! (Gibson wants early retirement.)
scarlet 09.02.09 at 11:10 am
Bush’s third term? You’re living it
This dark fantasy of a third Bush term is also an accurate portrait of President Barack Obama’s first term to date. In following Bush, Obama was given the opportunity either to restore the rule of law and the balance of powers or to firmly establish in place what were otherwise aberrant abuses of power. Thus far, Obama has, in all the areas mentioned above, chosen the latter course. Everything described, from the continuation of crimes to the efforts to hide them away, from the corruption of corporate power to the assertion of the executive power to legislate, is Obama’s presidency in its first seven months.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KI03Df02.html
scarlet 09.02.09 at 11:20 am
Poll: US Opposition to Afghan War Continues to Rise
57 Percent Now Oppose War’s Continuation
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/09/01/poll-us-opposition-to-afghan-war-continues-to-rise/
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 11:30 am
@ #65
“With Sawyer’s new role, two of the three major network’s evening news broadcasts will now be anchored by females, a first in television history.”
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=8471429
Yess!!!
Zee 09.02.09 at 11:37 am
Anglachel had the most hilarious SPANKING of the Obot Whole Foods Nation:
http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2009/08/whole-foods-nation-betrayed.html
http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2009/08/what-do-you-want.html
But if there is anything more fruitless and confused than being a Whole Foods dupe who overpays for marginal elitist goods…it’s joining a BUYCOTT to mimic the dubious previous behavior of the Whole Foods nation who became enraged at the behavior of the corporate head of Whole Foods.
Why would anyone want to support a store like Whole Foods? What kind of point is it you’d be “proving?” That you’re FOR Whole Foods? That you approve of the concept of food snobbery AND approve of the corporate stance?
When you flipflop to do the opposite of whatever your perceived “enemies” are doing that minute, all you are proving is a lack of core principles. This is what it’s like:
If all the lemmings STOP jumping off a cliff…would you suddenly START jumping off cliffs, just to show *them* off?
Zee 09.02.09 at 11:43 am
#42 Puma-SF
Thanks for noting the role of the women officers. Most of the neighbors let the weird backyard goings-on slide, which is a tragedy. But even worse was the deputy who didn’t thoroughly investigate when he was called to the house.
Zee 09.02.09 at 11:46 am
Campbell Brown had two women commentators on to discuss the role of the wife who helped kidnap Jaycee (and she is charged as a primary offender, not an accessory). It was good to see an all-female panel for a change.
Zee 09.02.09 at 11:53 am
On the Whole Foods front, sheesh….what could be simpler than to sit back and laugh your hiney off at them? It would rankle them all the more to sneer at them, “I was never duped by Whole Foods in the first place.”
And so much the better if the stores failed…because you know they’re just dying to be appeased so they can return…and then what? You’ll be shopping side by side? Ridiculous. Save your money.
normapapuma 09.02.09 at 11:56 am
The healthcare debate is finally getting around to something I’m interested in-fear of bankruptcy even if you have “insurance.” Extending this system of “insurance” to everyone without addressing it’s inherent flaws doesn’t sound logical to me. It’s like, misery loves company. Maybe we need insurance counseling? Hope Congress is forced to face these questions.
http://amjmed.blogspot.com/2009/08/medical-bankruptcy-in-united-states.html
Zee 09.02.09 at 11:56 am
#49 agreed!
It was a female Berkeley officer who found my brother-in-law’s runaway son, too….on the opposite side of the country! I was astonished. They really do keep a sharp look-out for kids and young people.
Zee 09.02.09 at 12:12 pm
More on the Kennedy Patriarchy:
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Teddy-Jr-is-family-choice-as-tensions-with-Vicki-surface-56650617.html
Sources say late Senator’s wife is far from a family favorite…Teddy Kennedy Jr. is emerging as the clear choice for the Kennedy family to contest the Massachusetts Senate seat vacated by the death of his father …
The powerful family’s choice comes amid huge swings of escalating tension over the role of Vicki Kennedy.
…”This is the family business, and they are in no mind to hand it off elsewhere,” said a family friend.
========
There is more dirt tossed around in the article, but a-HEM. Newsflash to Kennedy clan. It’s NOT “the family business” it’s the PEOPLE’s business, and the people’s choice who will represent them. And in case they missed the Boston Globe poll, right now Martha Coakley’s #1 as the desired replacement.
I had to kick the asses of some Obots who were posting how WONDERFUL it would be for Teddy Jr. to step in. I haven’t forgotten their bogus argument against Hillary’s run for president: they didn’t want a “dynasty.”
Hillary wouldn’t have been a dynasty, nimrods, and where is that precious argument now? It’s a-ok if the dynasty is Kennedy, Bush…or, heaven forbid this future, Romney?
FLBarbara 09.02.09 at 12:20 pm
ZEE
Wondering what besides the “political” is wrong with shopping in Whole Foods?
I live on the Barrier Island in Florida and besides being convenient, their meats, produce and bakery and even their floral dept was top quality. I never had a problem with their products. Have I
missed something I should know about their products?
waterpanther 09.02.09 at 12:32 pm
60
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 10:44 am
Dances says “very subtle clues”– have you read the play called “Trifles” by Susan Glaspell? Very good. It’s all about how the men, detectives/ residents, couldn’t figure out a motive for murder (a husband murdered by wife) and the wives figured it out together based on very subtle clues, things only a woman might notice.
_______________________________________________________
The prose version is called “A Jury of Her Peers.” I used to teach it in the American Literature sophomore survey, and students’ reactions were interesting to watch. Only a very small number of male students thought the “Jury”–the other women who not only find but actually remove the evidence that could have convicted the accused wife–were wrong. Most agreed with the women that the abuser got what he had coming.
michelina 09.02.09 at 12:35 pm
Hello ((((pumaland)))
I’m a little behind on things (crazy month)—
What is this BUY COTT, and how do I go about it.
michelina 09.02.09 at 12:36 pm
ps: Bless you pumacraig
FLBarbara 09.02.09 at 12:49 pm
Michelina
From what I can figure out, there is a boycott of whole foods because the head of WF said the Obama health care sucked.
So a group now is BUYING there to counter the Boycott.
I was just wondering why other than the “political” reason Zee seems to be against shopping there. Was it related to their products? Something I should be aware of since I do shop there in FL. Have you heard anything about their products? Or is it all politically related?
Puma-SF 09.02.09 at 12:55 pm
The thing that’s pissing me off now is they are trying to blame his wife saying she is the real “evil” behind him. WTF? Isn’t she a victim herself? Yes, she was the one who actually did the kidnapping but come on. I’m not buying it.
michelina 09.02.09 at 1:05 pm
PUMASF: She had many an opportunity to do what is
right with JayC and her children—
He was listed and noted as a MONSTER and she
belongs in the same category—she’s hardly a
victim.—I just don’t understand her ROLE in this
at all
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 1:07 pm
@#77 waterpanther, yes that’s right! “Jury of Her Peers” Full text: http://www.learner.org/interactives/literature/story/fulltext.html
I suddenly wanted to read “Trifles” but could not find full play, so thank you. I love the story. That’s great you taught/ teach English!! Here’s another story I know you know: “Sweat” by Zora Neale Hurston. So good. I cannot find full text online. There’s a quote from it that I love but cannot remember…something about the abuse, like: Don’t beat a person and then get angry at her for turning ugly. (That’s not the quote–at all–but it’s sort of the meaning of the line I like.) My American and Women’s lit books are currently elsewhere. Going to read Glaspell now…
michelina 09.02.09 at 1:07 pm
HE was in JAIL for 5 months for a parole violation
She could have made this right— A LONG TIME AGO
spTEWWWWWWW!!!! on both of them.–being a female
does not absolve her from her evilness.
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 1:16 pm
Puma-SF 09.02.09 at 12:55 pm
The thing that’s pissing me off now is they are trying to blame his wife saying she is the real “evil” behind him. WTF? Isn’t she a victim herself? Yes, she was the one who actually did the kidnapping but come on. I’m not buying it.
———————
Do we know her actual part in this? I don’t. In spite of not knowing the facts, I’d still hold her accountable. Some women are evil.
I don’t know who, nor the reason she is being portrayed as “the evil behind him”. If she is evil, so be it.
I want to know why she is deemed responsible for his behavior. Why aren’t the freaks, all freaks, held accountable for their own behavior. Why can’t men understand that they have to hold themselves and each other accountable for their barbaric behaviors? They need to get over the thought that women are their mommies and blame them for everything they themselves are responsible for.
sistermoon3 09.02.09 at 1:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt66eWnjoTo&feature=player_embedded
the above video is of one of obama’s brilliant czars
he’s the ummmm green jobs czar
he sounds like a very intelligent person huh?
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 1:22 pm
FLBarbara 09.02.09 at 12:49 pm
Everyone disses WF b/c they can’t afford to shop there…As do people who look at fancy homes and cars that are more than impossible to afford. WF it is a destination for me, you can partake of the salad bar at lunch time and also dine on samples but $5.00 designer bread is way to expensive for a daily budget shopper. The have superior products. As is “fine” wine. I get mine in a box!
I peer into the coach handbag store, can not afford it but people who can are not called bag snobs as are the WF crowd. Well maybe sometimes……….
Notyoursweetie 09.02.09 at 1:23 pm
Tabloid: how low can Murdoch go?
http://wp.me/p38IU-2kw
sheila7 09.02.09 at 1:24 pm
Zee,
I also don’t know anything about Whole Foods. Why would one not want to shop there? I wasn’t even aware my area had one until recently.
I deliver meals to lower income eldery people and the food is donated by Whole Foods. From what I understood they do a lot for the community here. What don’t I know?
sistermoon3 09.02.09 at 1:25 pm
there is not enough blame to go around on the the young lady being kidnapped and held for 18 years and having two of his children, there is just simply not enough blame.
It’s the most disgusting thing i have heard in seen in many moons.
sheila7 09.02.09 at 1:27 pm
HP,
I have a Coach bag. However it is from the outlet mall. Does that still count?
sheila7 09.02.09 at 1:29 pm
Sistermoon,
I agree, extremely disturbing. I shed tears for her and others that suffer like her. When the news came out I just kept saying, “Poor Baby”. She was just a little girl. It’s too disgusting for words.
waterpanther 09.02.09 at 1:31 pm
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 1:07 pm
I suddenly wanted to read “Trifles” but could not find full play, so thank you. I love the story. That’s great you taught/ teach English!!
________________________________________________________
You’re welcome, kat. Maybe it’s because I taught a large number of “non-traditional” students–older, lower income, non-white–but I saw a lot of awareness of patriarchal oppression in both men and women in my classes. When we did Wuthering Heights in BritLit II, they invariably spotted Heathcliffe as an abuser when he starved the lark hatchlings, an insight that’s later borne out by his treatment of women.
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 1:34 pm
sheila7 09.02.09 at 1:27 pm
I have one TOOOOOO
IT is small, very small and under $100.00..lol
sheila7 09.02.09 at 1:34 pm
A majority of independents disapprove of BO. heehee
http://news.aol.com/article/obama-approval-rating-among-independents/652324
sheila7 09.02.09 at 1:36 pm
HP Boston,
LOL. I have a medium sized one but I didn’t buy it. My best friend told my husband I was really eyeing it when we were at the mall but decided I couldn’t afford it. So, hubby went and bought it for my birthday.
normapapuma 09.02.09 at 1:38 pm
Sheila7
From what I’ve heard-Whole Foods is a do-gooder.
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/company/index.php
normapapuma 09.02.09 at 1:42 pm
#95 Went ahead and answered the little poll. Hysterical!
Of course, I’m in the 20% that has not changed they’re opinion of him since the election…already knew!
Zee 09.02.09 at 1:55 pm
#76 FL Barbara
There’s nothing wrong with shopping at a store you’ve always shopped at. But allllllll through the primary we’ve been sneering at the “arugula” crowd and the Whole Foods Nation. To suddenly flipflop and go out of one’s way to buy at a previously disdained store and make a STATEMENT about buying there smacks of a mindless “we’ve always been at war with Oceana” mentality that is simply a matter of aboutfacing because now it’s been determined that the Obots are upset with Whole Foods.
Personally, as a matter of politics, I prefer laughing in their faces.
If someone’s always been a Beck groupie, or someone’s always been a Whole Foods fan, that’s one thing. But I prefer a core belief to flipflopping because it’s been determined that “now the Obots like this instead of that” or “the rightwinger is really cutting down Obama on tv!!”
The reason I detested the Whole Foods Nation, whose identity was bound up in their supposedly superior consumer choices, hasn’t changed. Their choices in supermarkets and presidential candidates was all about brand.
We don’t always have a good choice, so I can’t speak as to why it’s your best choice in Florida. But what I’m talking about is not new: it’s been the subject many, many times. The Whole Foods Nation is self-absorbed and brand-conscious as a *whole* and the parallels as to their voting, for the most part, for Brand Zero, is the *reason* given for this ridiculous “buy-cott.”
I don’t mind consumers who continue patronizing any store that carries that carries the food of their choice, but imo taunting the Whole Foods *zealots* who feel betrayed when in fact they were duped doesn’t include rushing out to declare we were all along “at war with Oceania.” Another analogy would be Obots who feel “betrayed” by Obama. If they declared they now detested Obama and would never ever vote for him again, and would protest him instead….would we all run out and buy “Vote Obama!” bumperstickers?
I’m sure there were plenty of PUMAs who said “I shop at Whole Foods for their (fill in the blank)” when we used to sneer at arugula and the Whole Foods Nation. I’m sure some spoke up that they love arugula. That’s to be expected.
The issue is not Whole Foods per se, but with being defined by one’s own core beliefs instead of whatever someone determines the Obots are for or against this month that used to be the other way around and letting THAT be your guide as to what you are for or against today.
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 1:56 pm
96
sheila7 09.02.09 at 1:36 pm
You deserve good thing Sheila!
You have a great guy. Great gifts keep on giving I bet you think of him every time you touch that fine leather.
Puma-SF 09.02.09 at 2:01 pm
Sorry, work is getting in the way. BBL
sheila7 09.02.09 at 2:06 pm
(((HP Boston)))
I do think of him quite often when I use the purse. I will say that sometimes you do get what you pay for. It was expensive but it still looks like the day I got it. It is in perfect condition and I’ve had it over a year now.
Off to school. Ugh. Bye PUMAS!
FLBarbara 09.02.09 at 2:06 pm
HPBoston
Thanks for the scoop on whole foods.I thought it may have something to do with their products.
So its considered a “designer supermarket” LOL
As I said I shopped there in Fl cause it was not only convenient for location and prepared easy to serve meals. I had so much company, sometimes driving to the airport dropping off and picking up at the same time. Prepared foods by someone else was a way for me to enjoy and spend time with my company.
Maybe their prices up north are more than down south?
Haven’t been in one in NY, where everything is more expensive.
Even Coach handbags LOL
I do know that as Sheila said they did donate food to the AIDS food bank and the womens shelter women in distress in Florida.
So I learn something new everyday. which is a good thing.LOL
Thanks
Zee 09.02.09 at 2:09 pm
#81 PUMA-SF
Yes, there are a lot of ramifications of that—”blaming” the wife, because the wife gave the rapist/kidnapper cover. But I wouldn’t describe her as a victim. I think she “met” him when he was in jail as a rapist, so she went into that relationship. And she actively kidnapped and kept the kidnapped girl, and even took the abused girl’s daughters….born of rape on a child.
Even in the case of the austrian father imprisoning and impregnating his daughter over 20 years or so of her life….supposedly, the mother “didn’t know.” But after the reunion, the daughter did kick her out of her rehabilitation and life. Perhaps figuring the mother must have known, because the father actually brought in some of the resulting children for him and his wife to raise, and the mother bought his excuses without demanding to see/find her daughter.
The Austrian wife was more passively involved, but this American one definitely was actively involved.
I don’t know what to think that CNN had an all-female panel discuss it…but I did think they discussed it in a very thoughtful manner, as opposed to the typical blowhard making bombastic sweeping denunciations.
normapapuma 09.02.09 at 2:10 pm
Can’t afford Whole Foods, though I do eat whole wheat!
pumacraig 09.02.09 at 2:11 pm
I am not rich by no mean and I buy what I can at WF. I have a income of $764.00 a month. I am poor in money not spirit or life. I do not eat meat that has hormones and antibiotics in it. I believe this is harmful and causing some, not all of our society’s problems with being over weight and antibiotics resistance. I also like my vegetables to be free from pesticide. I also don’t want to eat chemicals. I like my food to be as pure as possible. WF here in St. Louis tells you where the product comes from. For me it is to keep my body as strong as I can. I will go without nice clothes and other things to be able to eat as healthy as I can. I support myself I have no family to help. It is not easy but I found away to eat healthy. I do eat small amounts it helps to keep down on cost. Kids are having a hard time with weight these days as well as adults. I think some not all of the problem is the Hormones (steroids) given to the milk cows to make them produce more milk is a big part of the problem. Drink steroids three or more times a day add a little cheese and meat wallah!! Sorry got off my own subject!! It happens!! I am just saying poor folks can benefit from organic eating. And WF makes it easier for me to do.
Zee 09.02.09 at 2:14 pm
#103 FL Barbara…don’t know if you have any Trader Joe’s down in Florida, but they are my favorite…especially for their yummy prepared foods (packaged, but prepared). Luckily, there are none near me, but I go in for a treat now and then when I stumble onto one. Some of their stuff is pricey as well, but they make up for it with a wide selection of off-the-beaten path wine for $3-5!
Zee 09.02.09 at 2:24 pm
pumacraig and others. Please. As Joseph Cannon, anglachel, and many others have pointed out, Whole Foods has no lock on “organic” food. You can get *local* fresh pesticide-free produce at farmers markets in many towns, in the country and in the cities. And it’s CHEAP.
Shop there for whatever reason you want, but it won’t be because there are no other places to get organic (all our local supermarket have those sections now)….and in my opinion it undercuts the ability to laugh in the faces of the arugula crowd if people suddenly START buying there because some idiot CEO doesn’t like this or that Zerobama is doing. He’s corporate, and so is Zero. So, what next? When —just like lawyers after a trial—he and OpHRMA agree on something are all the shoppers going to whirl about and flip the buy- and boycott positions yet again?
normapapuma 09.02.09 at 2:25 pm
#106
Pumacraig,
That’s outstanding money management. Makes me think half our healthcare “crisis” is poor money/insurance management.
People saying they have a pre-existing condition when they never had health insurance or set money aside for health care until the day they get sick is an example to poor money management. If you have low income it’s one thing-but poor money management accounts for a lot of problems out there. Just musing…
pumacraig 09.02.09 at 2:29 pm
My buycott participation at WF was to protect free speech. The man wrote something in a news paper (free speech). He is attacked buy Obama supporters for his article in that paper. His stores are protested by OBOTS (which is OK free speech). But trying to get him fired as CEO and destroy his business via boycott went to far in my books. Protest against what he said, but don’t try and destroy what he built WF. None of us here like it when OBOTS try to destroy what Murphy as built here. We will fight them with all we have to protect what we have here and Murphy. That is why I participated in the buycott to protect free speech. Thats why I went.
normapapuma 09.02.09 at 2:30 pm
#108 Zee
I think for some it’s just convenience?
Time to go. Have a good one and may Zerobama tank with Democrats too!
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 2:30 pm
I shopped at Whole Foods today. They are the nearest natural foods and supplements location near me. But they are EXPENSIVE. The store was a Wild Oats that was bought out by WF. Before I retired I bought alot of foods at that location but can’t anymore. Anyway, I have not read the CEO’s op-ed, but it sounds like another corporate fat cat has come out in public against a single payor/public option which I support as an option. Don’t want to support him (as a large corporation head), but don’t want to support Obama outraged jerks either. So my official stance is – staying neutral.
Zee 09.02.09 at 2:36 pm
#87 and #89
HP…I’d forgotten about the sampling!!! If you live near a WF, find out when their sampling days are and go then! I actually used to be a sampler…I hated working at Whole Foods because I’m a foodie and would *spend* every dime I made there. That’s why I said I’m *glad* there are no Trader Joe’s near me. Thank goodness. When the other stores catch up on the prepared foods side of things, I’m doomed.
Sheila, a lot of food corporations donate foods. Also, they throw out a lot of food. In some cases, bakeries which are not allowed to donate their food put their perfectly fine daily-discarded breads in large clear bags, separate from icky trash, so that homeless people can find and get perfectly good food. I love organizations which make a point of distributing food that companies can no longer sell. Are you familiar with “Bread not Bombs?”
michelina 09.02.09 at 2:36 pm
pumacraig: Thanks for making me understand, I think
it’s cool you made that choice, and for good reason,
it’s like Joe the Plumber all over again,
INTIMIDATION—-goood for you.
FLBARB: we don’t have one in our area, but you
made it sound interesting, I will check it out–
We have WEGMAN’S and they seem to be on the same SCALE
as WF——they are privately owned, and are considered
the BEST EMPLOYERS in the US—–FACT——-they treat
their employees wonderfully.
Zee 09.02.09 at 2:38 pm
111 normapuma…if it’s a matter of convenience, then they’re not buy-cotting, are they?
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 2:38 pm
Oh yeah, Zee made my other point – that many of the brands carried by WF are now available in supermarkets. Hate the quality of much of the stuff in supermarkets, but you can get healthier foods if you shop carefully. Their supplements are another matter, the ones I’ve tried tend to be of poor quality.
Zee 09.02.09 at 2:40 pm
BigCatLover…when I worked as a sampler one of the now-trendy drinks you can get in many places was unique to Whole Foods…it was a veggie-fruit combo. Now you can get them in many places. But, alas…all that trendy stuff is expensive wherever it is. These days I stick to plain tomato juice! V1, haha. (yes, I know tomato’s a fruit…)
Zee 09.02.09 at 2:46 pm
#110 pumacraig
“The man wrote something in a news paper (free speech). He is attacked buy(sic) Obama supporters for his article in that paper.”
Oh, PLEASE.
Rightwingers have used boycotts, letters and intimidation forever. PUMAs use their letter-writing and boycott powers, too….and more power to boycotts of all stripes! Citizens’ marketplace, hm? Capitalism at work, is it not?
This is not a “free speech” issue, but nice try! lololol
I don’t base my actions or change my opinion on a corporation based on whether Obots love or hate it this particular week.
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 2:47 pm
Zee – I’m not aware of a sample offer at my WF for $5.00, that would be cool. However, they do sometimes have samples sitting around. Last November they offered a turkey dinner for free for the 2 days before Thanksgiving. I just happened to go one of those days and was pleasantly surprised because I love turkey, but my family often goes to other families houses for that holiday so I don’t often get it.
normapapuma 09.02.09 at 2:48 pm
#103
Fl said she shopped there for convenience, not buycotting.
Whatever…I’m neutral too, but Pumacraig has a good reason.
bbl.
FLBarbara 09.02.09 at 2:58 pm
Thanks for answering my WF question.
I must have missed the Argulla comments.
I first went there about 10 years ago in FL,it was a wild oats, when my DR put me on an organic health diet loaded with soy and it was the only place to get it so I continued when it became WF.In my neighborhood there are no a lot of choices to shop as a matter of convenience. For me it means travel over bridges, where boats have the right of way, so they open the bridges every other minute in season. you could wait an hour to cross one way. I also had to do 7 11 a lot for stuff which is also expensive but beats gas and time traveling.
Things in NY are more convenient but still expensive to live here.
Ohhh well that’s life
Gotta run. Have a good day all.
Zee 09.02.09 at 3:00 pm
again, normapuma…I’m not talking about *shopping* there…I’m talking about the absurd “buycott” by people who previously detested the designer store.
And no…Pumacraig’s reason is silly. If only boycotts *could* “destroy a business”—whoo-hoo! That would be great. Put the fear of the consumer in them. That’s *capitalism,* isn’t it? The power of the purse? (Coach or otherwise!) You can’t have it both ways, depending on which side of the boycott you’re on. People are free to organize and boycott.
I’m loving this, actually…if protests and boycotts are gaining ground and citizens of every stripe are this restless…can strikes be that far behind?
Ooooo….a women’s strike, maybe?
FLBarbara 09.02.09 at 3:04 pm
I really don’t want to rat someone out, but someone while campaigning on those cold winter nights loved the Veggie Chili from Whole foods. LOL which is very good.
Zee 09.02.09 at 3:06 pm
#119 BCL
$5 sample? No, I was saying that Trader Joe’s had interesting wine selections as low as $3 to $5 a bottle…the Whole Foods samples are free.
They have in-store sampling and also corporate sampling. At least in the city here, it’s fairly regular and some people do time their visits to get a fair amount of free food…
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 3:07 pm
Ooooo….a women’s strike, maybe?
Ayup..it is time, it is time 52% of the population!
Let the the country come to a screeching halt!
No one in the grocery stores!!!
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 3:09 pm
#119 BCL
And I was saying WF sell bread at as muchc (or as little?) as $5.00………..
Zee 09.02.09 at 3:09 pm
ok….enough with all this talk of food!! I’m just waiting for HP to open a deli. Meanwhile, I can’t even watch those top chef shows…I have to go do non-food related things! Damnit…I’m remembering those grill-roasted new potatoes….
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 3:10 pm
much….
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 3:12 pm
Zee I don’t want no stinking deli!!
BCL I cook a great turkey dinner!
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 3:12 pm
zee
HP posted this upthread:
‘WF it is a destination for me, you can partake of the salad bar at lunch time and also dine on samples but $5.00 designer bread is way to expensive for a daily budget shopper.’
that’s what I was referring to with the $5.oo sample comment.
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 3:13 pm
I misunderstood and thought she said she could have a $5.00 samples lunch.
scarlet 09.02.09 at 3:13 pm
Whole Foods ‘buycott’ turns grocery store into cultural battleground
…Steve Moore of The Wall Street Journal stated that Mackey is anticipating that the scandal will actually improve his company’s sales, and one can imagine the health benefits that Mackey’s new customers will reap. In the meantime, Trader Joe’s CEO Don Bane is hopefully keeping his head down and his opinions to himself.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/09/02/whole-foods-buycott-turns-grocery-store-into-cultural-battlegr/
Over 1,000 Turn Out For St. Louis BUYcott Protest At Whole Foods Market– Spending $50,000
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/over-800-turn-out-for-st-louis-buycott.html
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 3:14 pm
HP
What are you doing for Thanksgiving???
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 3:14 pm
#119 BCL
And I was saying WF SELLS bread at as much (or as little?) as $5.00………..
Zee 09.02.09 at 3:15 pm
whew…HP is here…yes, a women’s strike. The thing is, our country is so big. It’s easier for smaller countries to organize. But if the latest national craze is media coverage of town halls, protests and boycotts? So much the easier.
It used to be only local coverage, so this national coverage is something new.
I was flipping through the news channels this morning and just missed Medea (CODEPink) on some interview. Wonder what the topic was.
Zee 09.02.09 at 3:18 pm
#129 FINE, HP, have it your way.
I just briefly envisioned you as a potato-salad nazi (a la the Seinfeld Soup Nazi). We all have to behave or you declare “no potato salad for YOU!”
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 3:21 pm
HP
I think we finally got that straightened out. LOL My favorite bread at WF is $5.49 so I’m right ther with you. (I don’t buy it of course).
Zee, I agree that it’s good that people are finally standing up and complaining even if they are sometimes unfocused and not even sure what they are upset about. It’s about time the self satisfaction is wearing away and people are demanding to be heard.
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 3:24 pm
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 3:14 pm
HP
What are you doing for Thanksgiving???
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I do not know as yet. The conversation in the family has not started, Is my son and his wife going to her family dinner?
Is my daughter hosting it at her house? Am I having part of the family here at my home? Will we all be together?
I cook part of the meal, daughter-in-law does some, daughter will also. All comes together Goddess willin’ and the creek don’t rise!
Zee 09.02.09 at 3:28 pm
BCL, I agree…it’s very interesting how the tables have turned. And if they keep turning the result may be better responsiveness to citizen input.
omg, I went to a trendy part of town because my son lived there for a summer job. I walked into a “When Pigs Fly” bakery and did try some samples, but I just couldn’t justify buying that expensive a loaf of bread. I then went next door where they had amazing home-made cupcakes of all types! There were no prices, so I thought, how expensive could one cupcake be and bought one.
I’ve blocked the price out of my head, but it was around $5 give or take.
Unbelievable. Yummy…. but come on.
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 3:28 pm
Obama to reset health care debate, aides say
President Obama, facing wavering support to overhaul health care, is looking to recapture momentum on the issue, key White House aides said. “The president is considering all of his options on how to advance the debate and get reform passed. This includes possibly laying out a more specific vision,” said one administration official
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Ya think??
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 3:29 pm
HP – I never know what we’re doing either until the last minute. With divorces, remarriages, inlaws it gets complicated and sometimes I’m not included or they go out of town. I always get Christmas Eve with the grandkids and I try to be happy with that.
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 3:30 pm
Wait… more specific *vision*?? How about laying out the specifics??
persephone 09.02.09 at 3:32 pm
John Mackey CEO Whole Foods:
excerpts:
Mackey began his first health food store, Safer Way, in his garage in Austin in 1978,[2] with his girlfriend Renee Lawson Hardy, whom he had met while working at a vegetarian co-op.[3] They dropped out of university (Mackey never got a degree[5]) and borrowed $10,000 and raised $35,000 more to start the business.[3] The store was strictly vegetarian, like Mackey,[2] and was the first vegetarian supermarket not just in Austin but in all of Texas.[3] The two ran a supermarket on the first floor, a health-food restaurant on the second, and lived on the third story. In two years, Safer Way merged with another natural-foods store and became Whole Foods.[3]
Letter to employees
According to the BBC, John Mackey wrote a letter in 2006 to all of his staff announcing that he would reduce his own salary to $1 a year, donate his stock portfolio to charity and set up a $100,000 emergency fund for staff facing personal problems.[8] He wrote: “I am now 53 years old and I have reached a place in my life where I no longer want to work for money, but simply for the joy of the work itself and to better answer the call to service that I feel so clearly in my own heart.”
While CEO of Whole Foods Market in 2008, he earned a total compensation of just $33,831, which included a base salary of $1, and a cash bonus of $33,830.[9] He has instituted caps on executive pay at the company
Whole Foods Market is one of only two Fortune 500 companies listed among the 25 Best Companies to Work For in 2005, a fact which Mackey ascribes to his pro-employee philosophy.
________________________________________________________
He is a real entrepreuner. He built a brand.
He pays his taxes and is a great employer.
And goddessdammit he has the GUTS to disagree with Obama.
I will support the Whole Foods buycott.
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 3:33 pm
My favorite bread at WF is $5.49—– so BLC is MINE!!
to see it at a dollar more!
When PIG’s FLY raisin bread it is $4.49 at my store and I could not find it there one day so I checked WF and was shocked
Zee 09.02.09 at 3:34 pm
A better way to protest the Zerobama health plan, without enriching some jerk CEO of a designer brand store:
http://www.madashelldoctors.com/
And…these doctors will do more to SHAME Zero, since it appears any schmoe can get a beer summit at the WH, but OpHRMA won’t meet with these doctors to discuss single payer!
persephone 09.02.09 at 3:44 pm
Oops forgot the link, sorry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mackey_(businessman)
Zee, Mackey is a really good guy. He doesn’t care much about money.
He believes in the free market and knows that it can work.
A great example for American small business and NOT a mindless Obot.
If Whole Foods profits from the “buy-cott” that’s great-the profits will probably be distributed to the employees.
Or maybe Mackey will donate the $$ to whoever runs against Obama in 2012 hee hee
michelina 09.02.09 at 3:45 pm
ZEE: they charge almost $ 5 for a cup of CAFE MOCHA w/CARAMEL
CHILLED–which is COFFEE with CREAM at STARBUCKS
what’s the difference, ????
I would never spend that kind of money for coffee.
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 3:45 pm
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 3:30 pm
Wait… more specific *vision*?? How about laying out the specifics??
—————————————
George Obama thinks he is the “vision”!!!!
King had a dream……Obama is a nighmare.
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 3:50 pm
michelina 09.02.09 at 3:45 pm
ZEE: they charge almost $ 5 for a cup of CAFE MOCHA w/CARAMEL
CHILLED–which is COFFEE with CREAM at STARBUCKS
what’s the difference, ????
I would never spend that kind of money for coffee.
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Well I see McDonalds is a copycat of “designer” coffee…
The daily mantra is oh if you want to save money do not go to Starbucks for coffee..never to they market the voodo of hey do not buy cigarettes or a six pack! WTF!
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 3:51 pm
Oops, so it’s a buycott, they want you to buy at WF? I’m confused. Obots are boycotting but others are buycotting? So when I went shopping there, I was actaully opposing obots? That’s what I get for throwing my 2 cents in when I don’t understand the issue. Didn’t have a stance one way or the other when I went there.
Zee 09.02.09 at 3:54 pm
persephone, he sounds like that guy in Massachusetts who rebuilt his burnt down factory and guaranteed everyone their job back….instead of walking away with the insurance money and calling it a day. (Fabric company, not sure if they are still in business.)
But privatizing only works if all the CEOs were like that…instead of being the exception.
I’d rather have governmental regulations. Just not OpHRMA’s idea of it…which is to kowtow to the Big PhRMA interests.
So I take back the “jerk!” And I’m going to stay on the sidelines, too…I love seeing the Whole Foods Nation freak out, but I still think laughing at them beats invading their s(h)tores….
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 3:55 pm
persephone 09.02.09 at 3:32 pm
John Mackey CEO Whole Foods:
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Great info, I am pleased WF is not owned by an obie lover…Makes me feel good! I hope he does use big bucks to fight that one and support women. We should ask him…………
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 3:56 pm
But, when I went to WF I was supporting someone who opposed single payor, which I support. Help, my brain hurts.
Zee 09.02.09 at 3:56 pm
#147 michelina
“I would never spend that kind of money for coffee.”
Apparently, you would if the Obots suddenly started boycotting Starbucks.
That’s what I mean.
FLBarbara 09.02.09 at 4:00 pm
Oh my I have really done it now I am sitting here researching women running for office in Fl and drinking a starbucks mocha frappucino ice coffee. I am just sooooo bad, but it is so damn good.
LOL
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 4:00 pm
ZEE we should open a store…make Puma cupcakes at $5.00 ea.
Woot….use the money to shop at WF……..
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 4:02 pm
FL Barbara and HP
Activism is hard.
admin 09.02.09 at 4:02 pm
Puma cupcakes??
i so want to open a cupcake store.
MamaPuma 09.02.09 at 4:04 pm
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 1:16 pm [edit]
Puma-SF 09.02.09 at 12:55 pm
The thing that’s pissing me off now is they are trying to blame his wife saying she is the real “evil” behind him. WTF? Isn’t she a victim herself? Yes, she was the one who actually did the kidnapping but come on. I’m not buying it.
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Do we know her actual part in this? I don’t. In spite of not knowing the facts, I’d still hold her accountable. Some women are evil.
I don’t know who, nor the reason she is being portrayed as “the evil behind him”. If she is evil, so be it.
I want to know why she is deemed responsible for his behavior. Why aren’t the freaks, all freaks, held accountable for their own behavior. Why can’t men understand that they have to hold themselves and each other accountable for their barbaric behaviors? They need to get over the thought that women are their mommies and blame them for everything they themselves are responsible for.
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Dances
In Massachusetts it is a crime to stand by and allow abuse of a person to whom a duty is owed. That means that you can drive by an accident scene without helping (no duty because you don’t know them) or refuse or fail to help a drowning person (no duty because you don’t know them), but you can not do that to your children, spouse, parents etc.
There is a phrase used that is appropriate here and it is “she knew or should have known” and that phrase answers to the excuse of “I didn’t know” when it is impossible to not know. Did she think the children were left by the stork?
NikkisMom 09.02.09 at 4:04 pm
Zee #69: “Why would anyone want to support a store like Whole Foods? What kind of point is it you’d be “proving?”
Zee #22: “again, normapuma…I’m not talking about *shopping* there”…
Zee, your posts are somewhat confusing. It appears that you had 2 points in your first post – “why support them” (ie, you don’t like them), and “the hypocrisy of the buycott”…if your intent was to *only* point out the hypocrisy demonstrated by the buycott, then why the statement in #69?
Why support Whole Foods?
-CEO John Mackey only pays himself $1/year for last 2-3 years.
-full time workers are given free health care.
-Mr. Mackey has setup a $100,000 need-based fund for his employees.
-The WF store supports local farmers & their produce
-He is a strong animal rights advocate and refuses to sell animal products in his store from vendors that have not adhered to strict anti-abuse guidelines.
-They offer domestic partners same sex benefits
-created the Animal Compassion Foundation in January 2005
Sounds to me like there may be some valid expenses behind their “high costs”.
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 4:05 pm
Or muffins…..I can help I KNOW the muffin man.
Zee 09.02.09 at 4:06 pm
I know! $5 cupcake with a free cuppa coffee!
We should re-invent the cupcake…call them PUMApaws…
persephone 09.02.09 at 4:07 pm
If it weren’t for private enterprise there would be no Whole Foods or Trader Joes.
Those businesses were built by creative innovators.
Small businesses create most of the country’s jobs.
They aren’t “teh evilz”
NikkisMom 09.02.09 at 4:07 pm
BCL, Mr. Mackey’s article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 4:07 pm
I love muffins – not so much the cupcakes.
persephone 09.02.09 at 4:10 pm
i so want to open a cupcake store.
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do it do it do it!
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 4:11 pm
NikkisMom, thanks, I should have looked that up from the beginning. I’ll go read it now. BBL
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 4:12 pm
BLC I like both! I really LOVE Starbucks!
I go there rarely b/c it in the North part of town and out of my way but if I see one I am there……….I do not care for Dunkin Donuts which is a New England ICON!
persephone 09.02.09 at 4:12 pm
BigCat
you supported free speech, a concept lost on the Obots.
John Mackey didn’t defeat single payer, Obama did.
Zee 09.02.09 at 4:14 pm
omg….just got the Obamacare email. One word subject line: Power.
Scarlet will probably post it later.
Has anyone noted the icOn image? It’s the Zerobama symbOl with a doctor’s staff on top…underneath three stars. It hovers before a horizon full of the ghostly silhouettes of people in front of a rising sun with glowing rays shooting out. The horizon is the curvature of the earth, and the people stretch beyond the outline of the US. They seem to curve up beyond Canada, out over the ocean, and/or surround the sun.
What next? Where are all the people who were outraged by the symbolism in Bush’s “Total Information Awareness” all-seeing eye?
persephone 09.02.09 at 4:15 pm
Critics Decry Obama’s ‘Indoctrination’ Plan for Students
A suggested lesson plan that calls on students to write letters to themselves about what they can do to help President Obama following his address to students nationwide is troubling and establishes the president as a “superintendent in chief,” education experts told FOXNews.com.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/02/critics-decry-obamas-lesson-plan-students/
FLBarbara 09.02.09 at 4:18 pm
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 4:02 pm FL Barbara and HPActivism is hard.
It sure is. I am off to CVS to get my parents meds filled.
Anything I should know about CVS before I go there?
I just had a banana nut muffin, but not saying where I bought it. LOL
MamaPuma 09.02.09 at 4:19 pm
Zee
Has anyone noted the icOn image?
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Can you send me to a place where I can see that logo.
Zee 09.02.09 at 4:21 pm
#159 mamapuma…OT, but did you see that video clip recently of a Wisconsin lawmaker who mowed down a bicyclist because he was “distracted” and sailed through an intersection?
He was charged with failing to yield or some such. The bicyclist is fairly ok…went to the hospital but survived his injuries.
If any of us slammed into a cyclist, would we get away with saying, “sorry I was distracted?”
Just curious…
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 4:22 pm
FL Barbara – LOL.
Okay I read the WF ceo op-ed. I disagree with about 70% of what he said, but I support his right to say it. I’m done now.
Zee 09.02.09 at 4:23 pm
ok, mamapuma…you can see it here:
https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/dnc08power?source=20090901_ms_power_nd&returnlink=false
but it’s a donation page. goddess only knows if they track who looks at that page….
Zee 09.02.09 at 4:25 pm
#172 FL Barbara…
anything to know about CVS? yes! Be sure to get one those CVS care cards…you can put it on your keychain. They give you lots of discount coupons for future purchases…
admin 09.02.09 at 4:28 pm
I like one of the lines in your link Pers, “teach your children that the government is supposed to listen to the people, not the other way around.”
FLBarbara 09.02.09 at 4:31 pm
ZEE
Thanks I have one of them. I get lots of coupons and extra care bucks too.LOL
sheila7 09.02.09 at 4:36 pm
shadowfax,
you have mail.
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 4:38 pm
Send your kids – but go with them. This is a great teaching moment, really. This is the time to explain to your kids that the Government is here to listen to us – not the other way around.
1. Go with you kids – you want to know EXACTLY what is being said to them
2. Tell the school you intend to do so (but don’t be disruptive)
3. Brief you kids before you go, and debrief them afterward (deprogram if necessary).
This is a great time to discuss you view on what role, exactly, the government should have in the lives of its people.
We are not here to serve Government. And really, we are not even here to serve society. Yes, we want to help neighbors, be good citizens etc – but our purpose is not to SERVE our community / country.
from a poater at vodkapundit…………….
Zee 09.02.09 at 4:43 pm
160 Nikkismom
Sounds to me like there may be some valid expenses behind their “high costs”.
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Now you all stop before I bust a gut laughing and everyone gets mad at me!
So what you’re saying is that the Whole Foods Nation people who gave allllllll those same social-good reasons as why they were smugly superior to shop at that expensive “Organic Brandname” store were right all along?
You’re listing all the reasons they were proud of. If you make it a POLITICAL statement to shop there, it’s for the very same reasons they always had.
The very same reasons we used to roll our eyes at. The very same reasons they thought they were doing such a “progressive” thing by voting for Obama! Because they had progressive “values.”
So, while the Obotic Whole Foods Nation made it a political and lifestyle statement to be defined as Whole Foods loyalists who bought “organic” bottled water and voted for Obama and were furious when the CEO turned out to be conservative regarding government control of health care….so far, so consistent, even if ridiculous….the only thing the buycott people can do is not only completely make an *aboutface* on their opinion of the Whole Foods lifestyle, but then quote all the crunchy-granola reasons it’s awesome to join the recently vacated Whole Foods Nation?!
A-yup. We’re at war with Oceana, all right. We’ve alllllllways been at war with Oceana.
Until next week, when we’ll be allies with Oceana again….forever and ever.
I need a Star Bucks Green Tea Frappuccino….
Zee 09.02.09 at 4:53 pm
I know some don’t like Anglachel here, but I really think reading her whuppin’ of the Whole Foods Nation would clear up a lot of confusion.
The reason it’s so hilarious of a situation is because the people who made Whole Foods a *lifestyle* choice were only “progressive” to the point where they could be seen and identified amongst their own kind as “doing their part” by spending extra money on fancy things. As opposed to buying healthy produce at farmer’s markets and supporting local producers.
Anyway…I’m a snob, too. I’m a “local” snob. I find and support the local stores to the best of my ability.
sheila7 09.02.09 at 4:55 pm
Zee,
So let me get this straight. You don’t like Whole Foods?
NikkisMom 09.02.09 at 4:55 pm
ACLU movie –
http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf
admin 09.02.09 at 4:57 pm
i thought my eyes were going when i saw a reference to the Whole Foods Buycott. wha? huh!
now whole foods is suddenly a bastion of heartland, populist values??
Shop at whole foods if u want to, but lets not revise or forget history.
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 5:06 pm
sheila7 09.02.09 at 4:55 pm
Zee,
So let me get this straight. You don’t like Whole Foods?
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Disclaimer: I shop at WF when I want something specific, can’t afford to shop there for all my grocery needs on a weekly basis.
Have a WF about 8 blocks from my home, farmers market one block away on Sundays only, but my favorite, with average prices, organic, is Henry’s (used to be Boney’s). Just in case any of you want to shop in San Diego.
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:06 pm
Well, sheila…let me try again: I find it hilarious that the former disdainers of the Whole Foods Nation are adopting the very same talking points the WFNation used to use to justify their lifestyle….and are now suddenly embracing a store they once used to equate with everything that was pretentious about the Obot generation.
The only opinion I myself have of Whole Foods is that I like Trader Joe’s better…even if I had the money to exclusively shop at either.
sheila7 09.02.09 at 5:08 pm
I think I got it the first time. I was just kidding around with you.
I know nothing about either. I shop at the grocery store up the street.
sheila7 09.02.09 at 5:10 pm
BBL. Bye PUMAS.
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:12 pm
#186 admin!!!
That’s the word…populist!
Thank you. If we’re going to get into the politics of shopping, let’s support a *populist* approach. I definitely think we shouldn’t limit where we buy…but if you have a choice, make an effort to try the local place as opposed to the brand-name. If the food is good, I will purposely favor the local place over the chain. The small health food grocery and supplement store I use is a mom and pop with only a couple of stores. All the employees are cheerful as get-out, and they offer killer products, the most deadly of which is the evil caramel with sea salt at the check-out.
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:14 pm
sheila…sorry! I knew you were joking but I thought it was literally about not liking Whole Foods!
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:18 pm
Should we send out a search party for Mamapuma? She went to the Brand Zero donation center to look at that logo a while ago…
MamaPuma 09.02.09 at 5:19 pm
Zee 09.02.09 at 4:23 pm [edit
Thanks Zee
I really can not believe that logo. that scares me. WTF does it mean. Is this Pres/Doc/Obama/Astrologer. Is this Starstruck/Hippocratic/President/OverTheFlag. This stuff is raw ingredients for satire, irony, guffawing out loud.
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:24 pm
Well…it serves me right. I should’ve sat back with the popcorn…I mean, the organic dark chocolate almonds…and waited for Zero to invite Mackey to the White House to settle their differences over Soy Lattes, and just quietly enjoyed everyone aboutface again.
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 5:26 pm
Who pays the logo designer for the Obama propaganda machine. Is that coming from tax payer money. It’s creepy that they stick a logo on everything and give it a propaganda name, like Organizing for Healthcare. Organizing for America, Organizing for Healthcare – it’s Orwellian.
admin 09.02.09 at 5:27 pm
whole foods is SOO expensive.
it used to make me sad to shop there, thinking that only rich people can afford to eat healthy, organic food.
too weird to think of them becoming a populist icon.
i want to take a road trip to Polyface Farm and stock up on a year’s worth of food, after reading about them in The Omnivore’s Dilemma and seeing the dude in the movie Food Inc.
tried to convince the family to take a side trip to Charlottesville VA while we were in NC, but they weren’t persuaded.
http://www.polyfacefarms.com/
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:31 pm
Exactly, Mamapuma!!!
It’s unbelievable.
And the Bush-Obama power-trippers think they have gotten this hero-worship down to a science?
What would be great to happen is that they try one too many about-faces on their followers until no one knows which way they were originally facing….and then there’s only one way to turn: on the powers-that-would-be.
How could it not occur to the Obots that this symbolism is as creepy as that all-seeing eye that was illuminating the globe?
Bush had to can that “Total Information Awareness” — which is to say, he had to rebrand it in a toned-down fashion.
Now suddenly over the top global imagery is the norm?
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:34 pm
BCL…it’s like that Nike symbol. The simple swirl immediately brands a garment as Nike.
But the Zero Brand logo is garish beyond.
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 5:35 pm
Polyface Farm – OMG. Did you read the customer responses in the Our Story section?
BigCatLover 09.02.09 at 5:38 pm
Zee, it’s the constant redrawing of the logos for every situation and the naming that is so bizarre. For a president to even have a logo is odd.
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:38 pm
oo…thanks, admin!!! I will pass on that Polyface Farm info to my family in VA. We’re all foodies…and have been known to drive across state lines in pursuit of stellar eats. Being an omnivore does have its dilemmas…some foods I can’t justify anymore.
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:40 pm
BCL…I know! Remember the most ludicrous logo thus far??
The Office of the President-Elect!
And how it was applied to the podium *crooked*—-hahahaha!
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 5:43 pm
I have only been to Whole Foods a handful of times, usually when I visit fam in Scarsdale. I generally order all my groceries online, other people do the shopping and delivering from local supermarket. (Saves me a lot of time, energy and annoyance–also, impulse buying.) Otherwise, I just grab a few things from local fruit stands, bagel shop, etc. Only snooty places I might go to is a local gourmet deli and maybe Dean & DeLuca once in a blue moon. I avoid Starbucks like the plague. (But I don’t drink coffee, so that’s easy for me to say.)
Went to Whole Food’s website, here’s this: “Nutritional Support for Women” http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/nutrition/nutritional-support-women.php
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:50 pm
Well, before I run I wanted to add that I loved the reference to Abigail Disney, Murphy!
Her work had caught my eye the other day, too.
I have a feeling we’ll be seeing more on this Vicki Kennedy-Teddy Jr. “battle” for the Senate seat…because it’s assumed the seat will of course go to a Kennedy, and the upstart Vicki is not a “real” Kennedy.
Let’s hope Martha Coakley throws a serious wrench into The Narrative.
persephone 09.02.09 at 5:51 pm
now wait a minute
whole foods buys and sells produce from local farmers!
(and their store brands are moderately priced and good quality)
just because entitled assholes shop there doesn’t mean it’s affiliated with Obama
but jeezus, someone disagrees with the president and their business is punished by consumers?
that is fucking rabid!
the guy didn’t say let’s nuke Iran for chrissake.
he doesn’t want government run health care.
so for that he deserves to have his business hurt?
a taxpaying citizen who bends over backwards for his employees?
i dont want government run health care either.
our government could screw up a high mass.
this is a ripoff and a power grab and an overreach and there are a million other solutions that wont give government contracts to the mega-profiteering insurance and pharma. this is hostage-taking.
I’m a small business owner, should my clients boycott me?
Zee 09.02.09 at 5:54 pm
For those who missed the Kennedy link:
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Teddy-Jr-is-family-choice-as-tensions-with-Vicki-surface-56650617.html
They screeched about Hillary’s sense of “entitlement” and “dynasty” but this is no problem:
”This is the family business, and they are in no mind to hand it off elsewhere,” said a (Kennedy) family friend.
persephone 09.02.09 at 5:59 pm
lots of details on Obama’s school address:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/obama%E2%80%99s-classroom-campaign-no-junior-lobbyist-left-behind/
totally creepy
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 6:00 pm
@#93 waterpanther “…I saw a lot of awareness of patriarchal oppression in both men and women in my classes.” Yes, that’s interesting, and it makes sense to me.
“…[they] spotted Heathcliffe as an abuser when he starved the lark hatchlings, an insight that’s later borne out by his treatment of women.” Yes, foreshadowing there, and interesting. I know a white man who does not see Heathcliffe in quite the same way. hmmm.
Also, personally, I spied a man kick his dog at a BBQ (he was off to the side of the house) and I went to the side of the house and sharply told him how I’d seen that and to leave the dog the %$&* alone! Imagine my devastation when one of my oldest girlfriends from childhood became engaged to him. He’s bad in other ways too. Too many bad signs with that one.
Headclunker 09.02.09 at 6:03 pm
The Mind of the Obot
I came across an Obot that spoke his mind about women. The post is too poisonous and lengthily to copy directly but here is a link: http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/1354055619.html
It was posted in response to this post on Feminism: http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/1353031214.html
I find the poison post very interesting in that it shows what kind of stinking thinking goes into misogyny. Kind of like the talking points for the mind of a misogynist. These guys LOVE BO.
Zee 09.02.09 at 6:04 pm
“I’m a small business owner, should my clients boycott me?”
Persephone, that’s a good question…and I’m inconsistent on the answer in my own dealings. I used to patronize two shops of very overt and open Republicans during the Bush era. I loved the owners for themselves and what they provided and we found common ground where we could. I am for supporting good, local, small businesses. But…I have to say. When certain places post *local* posters for one mayor over the other….I have found myself *not* patronizing the ones promoting the candidate I don’t like.
And why not? Why shouldn’t I choose not to do business with someone? It’s a risk…no one’s forcing those businesses to take sides on a political race or issue. But if they do, they can expect fall-out. Mackey’s a big boy. If he wants to enter politics, he can expect political fall-out.
Are you really arguing otherwise?!
persephone 09.02.09 at 6:16 pm
Are you really arguing otherwise?!
hardly! I’m gloating that for speaking his truth he is being rewarded
his stores are packed with shoppers who are saying hey, it’s ok to disagree with the president. in fact, thanks for speaking up.
mixing business and politics is tricky business, for sure.
i hate the promoting of candidates.
but what mackey did was different.
making a reasoned argument not only about HC policy but made the point that he would not be silenced.
we need more people like this-willing to oppose obama on principle. Let his rabid supporters show their thuggish true colors before the next election.
i know i said it already, but mackey didn’t screw the left, Obama did.
they should be directing their anger at the president.
we are not getting single payer. it will not happen.
when will these fools blame something squarely on Obama?
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 6:25 pm
Headclunker #210. Ohhh, that is certainly frustrating to read! I can argue every stinking sentence. *breathing in and out deeply…inhale/ exhale*
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 6:35 pm
OH the Kenadies had better watch out…a baseball player is gonna jump in the fray!!! Hit it, catch it be a Senator….
Zee 09.02.09 at 6:43 pm
#212 persephone…that’s one way of looking at it. But while you’re “gloating” I’ll be snickering at all the conservatives suddenly embracing the Whole Foods Nation. Kind of like when they all suddenly became soooooo concerned with “women” in Afghanistan and Iraq in order to justify Bush’s war (now Obama’s war). When I pointed out to any who brought that up that the women in Iraq went *back* under the veil thanks to our interference, they shrugged. They didn’t really give a damn.
Personally, I prefer to stick with a core value than to adopt others for political expediency. But that’s me!
Meanwhile, just so you know I also think it’s creepy that Zero is addressing the school children, I made the effort to find another source than…Michelle Malkin and her “Kill the ACLU” blogrollmates.
http://www.examiner.com/x-19823-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m9d1-Big-Brother-alert-Sorry-but-Obamas-planned-address-to-all-the-nations-schoolchildren-is-creepy
This guy still calls himself a PUMA! Fair warning…if you look at his list of articles, you’ll find some Palin criticizing going on. But it’s policy-based, not the usual gutter “she’s so stooooopid and hot…hot but stooopid.”
I just find it amazing this guy is proudly and independently maintaining his PUMA stance from his own perch.
persephone 09.02.09 at 6:44 pm
#214 what??
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 6:49 pm
@#210 That guy is likely not an obot, but more of a fringe conservative loonbag. Everything he says is…ahhhhh! “It is proven that men have built and invented 99% of what we see.” That’s bull, and he’s too stupid to understand the status of women in this country’s history. Weren’t allowed of the dang HOUSE and birthing bed…and weren’t all Richies, going to school, only to not be “allowed” to work, let alone INVENT and BUILD on a scale equitable to men. Too busy BUILDING AND INVENTING HUMAN OFFSPRING! Oh, and even if he is right about some stats concerning fatherless homes, how can he explain that it’s the pathetic MEN who abandon their families or use girls and women as injection sites and scram. Right, yeah–all the woman’s fault. Divorce, pre-marital sex, non-marital sex, unprotected sex, dead-beat dads, SPERM…all of it is Her issue and Her fault. ya ya ya. 100% her fault. ohhhh
persephone 09.02.09 at 6:55 pm
thanks zee
but he doesn’t have all the info about what will actually happen-Malkin does. she’s got the whole agenda laid out.
that’s why I posted her, and b/c I knew it would drive you nuts
how do you know that guy is a puma? drag him to murphy’s next meetup, we’ll put him to work..
and re: WF, not just conservatives are buy-cotting. there are dems and indies doing it too.
my aunt and her same sex ptnr, huge obots, had full health insurance from WF way before it was cool to cover domestic partners, sent me an email telling me to go buy something at whole foods-i was shocked!
if those two are mad at obama he is in deep shit. they were disciples.
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 6:56 pm
Schilling has ‘interest’ in Kennedy’s seat
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 7:00 pm
BOSTON (AP) – Curt Schilling, the former major league pitcher who won the allegiance of Bostonians by leading the Red Sox to the 2004 World Series, said Wednesday that he has “some interest” in running for the seat held for nearly 50 years by Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy.
Schilling, a registered independent and longtime Republican supporter, wrote on his blog that while his family and video gaming company, 38 Studios, are high priorities, “I do have some interest in the possibility.”
“That being said, to get to there, from where I am today, many, many things would have to align themselves for that to truly happen,” he added.
Any other comment “would be speculation on top of speculation,” Schilling said, adding, “My hope is that whatever happens, and whomever it happens to, this state makes the decision and chooses the best person — regardless of sex, race, religion or political affiliation — to help get this state back to the place it deserves to be.”
Schilling refused to comment when his office was contacted by phone.
BOSTON (AP) – Curt Schilling, the former major league pitcher who won the allegiance of Bostonians by leading the Red Sox to the 2004 World Series, said Wednesday that he has “some interest” in running for the seat held for nearly 50 years by Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy.
Schilling, a registered independent and longtime Republican supporter, wrote on his blog that while his family and video gaming company, 38 Studios, are high priorities, “I do have some interest in the possibility.”
“That being said, to get to there, from where I am today, many, many things would have to align themselves for that to truly happen,” he added.
Any other comment “would be speculation on top of speculation,” Schilling said, adding, “My hope is that whatever happens, and whomever it happens to, this state makes the decision and chooses the best person — regardless of sex, race, religion or political affiliation — to help get this state back to the place it deserves to be.”
Schilling refused to comment when his office was contacted by phone.
BOSTON (AP) – Curt Schilling, the former major league pitcher who won the allegiance of Bostonians by leading the Red Sox to the 2004 World Series, said Wednesday that he has “some interest” in running for the seat held for nearly 50 years by Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy.
Schilling, a registered independent and longtime Republican supporter, wrote on his blog that while his family and video gaming company, 38 Studios, are high priorities, “I do have some interest in the possibility.”
“That being said, to get to there, from where I am today, many, many things would have to align themselves for that to truly happen,” he added.
Any other comment “would be speculation on top of speculation,” Schilling said, adding, “My hope is that whatever happens, and whomever it happens to, this state makes the decision and chooses the best person — regardless of sex, race, religion or political affiliation — to help get this state back to the place it deserves to be.”
Schilling refused to comment when his office was contacted by phone.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10014410/Schilling-has-'some-interest'-in-Kennedy's-seat
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 7:01 pm
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 7:05 pm
@ #210
That guy probably had a heart attack when he read these latest breakthroughs in science:
“DNA swap could cure inherited diseases” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6811080.ece
How do you like that? Two Mothers and one father. Possible cure for all inherited diseases? Found in WOMEN! Cure is in HER.
AND: how do you think he likes THIS:
“Scientists Create ‘Artificial Human Sperm’”
http://tinyurl.com/lo35jj
The Future CUMeth!
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 7:12 pm
@#222 Listen, “fake” workable sperm *will* be used away from men, without men. All these advances…I swear, in my lifetime, maybe when I am old–women will be having children without any assistance from men. I am *not* saying that it’s completely a good thing, but these advances will happen. It’s happening.
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 7:17 pm
@ #220 Yeah, Curt Schilling is a born again Christian and he loved/loves Bush.
(2004):
Schilling delivers for Bush on ‘Good Morning America’
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10/29/schilling_delivers_for_bush_on_good_morning_america/
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 7:42 pm
SPELLING BEES: WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCEMENT ON OBAMA ‘SCHOOCHILDREN’ SPEECH…
‘SKIP DAY’…
Ed.gov:
http://www.ed.gov/news/events/advisory.html
Saw it on drudge. “Schoochildren” /spelling bees. LOL! Sorry if someone already posted it upthread. I am blog hopping. (I’m sure someone will fix it after mistake being posted on drudge.)heee
Deb55 09.02.09 at 7:49 pm
Will try to read and catch up this evening..but wanted to pass along an email I recieved this morning…for anyone here who still thinks the UK healthcare is good.
Please read..this is what many are concerned will happen under our healthcare bill.
What they do NOT want you to know. Is already happening in the UK..death sentences to the sick..and Doctor’s are trying to stop this!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6127514/Sentenced-to-death-on-the-NHS.html
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 8:03 pm
Difficult to read the blog with the sun reflecting off the bay and sandy beach. At least the sailboats are quiet and this gentle warm breeze is refreshing. Dinner isn’t bad either.
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 8:06 pm
Got this tweet about yesterday’s article:
from TheOpEdProject:
In the LAT, Laura Ling & Euna Lee write about the story that took them over the Chinese border into North Korea. Spectacular writing. Here’s the Ling-Lee op-ed: http://bit.ly/12z5cI
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“We had traveled to the area to document a grim story of human trafficking for Current TV. During the previous week, we had met and interviewed several North Korean defectors — women who had fled poverty and repression in their homeland, only to find themselves living in a bleak limbo in China. Some had, out of desperation, found work in the online sex industry; others had been forced into arranged marriages.”
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 8:19 pm
Mama
I hope I didn’t sound like I was giving the co-freak a pass.
She’s 100% responisible for her participation in this barbarous scenario, just as he is.
I just object to the woman being referred to as the evil behind the other freakzoid*.
*This crap is so common, here and around the globe, it’s beginning to seem like the good menare the freaks of their species
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 8:28 pm
#227
Dances, I want what you got! lol. Sounds very nice. Tryin’ to get me envious–you. It’s cool here where I am, in the 60′s now. Will be going out for a lovely stroll to the sidewalk cafe I enjoy. Ahhh yes, the peaceful and relaxing serenity of police sirens, speeding and screeching yellow cabs, subway trains screaming underfoot…mmmm, the solitude…getting felony assaulted (shouldered) by hurried passersby and hit on by loud drunken wooohoo!–new york CI-TAY BAY-BAY! tourists.
jus’ playin’ It’s sweet where I am–going out for a bit though.
bbl.
Headclunker 09.02.09 at 9:30 pm
kat in your hat 09.02.09 at 6:49 pm #217
@#210 That guy is likely not an obot, but more of a fringe conservative loonbag.
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kat,
I am guessing from the style of his post, but I am pretty sure that the same guy bloggs for BO there, quite a bit. Notice how he blames single mothers for the high numbers of men in jail without reference to the disproportionate minority make-up? A right wingnut would make it a racist issue before he would make it a sexist issue. I say he is an minority male follower of Obla-bla.
waterpanther 09.02.09 at 9:45 pm
Headclunker 09.02.09 at 6:03 pm
The Mind of the Obot
I came across an Obot that spoke his mind about women. The post is too poisonous and lengthily to copy directly but here is a link: http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/1354055619.html
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Nah, that’s a right-wing religious nut.
Headclunker 09.02.09 at 10:27 pm
waterpanther 09.02.09 at 9:45 pm 232
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I sent him and email and asked him. Let’s see if he answers.
pumacraig 09.02.09 at 10:29 pm
Zee 09.02.09 at 2:46 pm
#118 Thank you for your opinion I respect what you have to say.
pumacraig 09.02.09 at 10:34 pm
michelina
#114 Thank you and your welcome. I believe everyone must follow there own hearts.
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 10:42 pm
pumacraig.
How brave you are to protest for free speech. AND I defend your right to protest. We have lost many of our freedoms, we must fight back, you take care and shop where ever you choose.
I am proud to call you Puma, you rock!
HP Boston 09.02.09 at 10:52 pm
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 8:03 pm
Difficult to read the blog with the sun reflecting off the bay and sandy beach. At least the sailboats are quiet and this gentle warm breeze is refreshing. Dinner isn’t bad either.
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Oh you poor baby……life has been cruel this summer.
Glad you have settled in on your nonsmoking quest.
Enjoy Danceswithwarmbreezes.
Good night from the cool east coast, ah warm days and cool nights this is when I love NE the most.
goofsmom 09.02.09 at 11:21 pm
((((((PUMAs)))))))
Checking in… Busy day…
admin 09.02.09 at 11:25 pm
Distracted posted,
take it upstairs!
Juliette 09.02.09 at 11:30 pm
pumacraig
I did go to Whole Foods tonight although it was not an orginized event. I shop there from time to time and tonight wore an anti-obama t-shirt. Obots are crazy and don’t seem to mind that they would be desroying a business started and owned by an exemplary CEO John Mackey, that is they would be if their lame boycott was working LOL.
Thanks for posting the facts on Mackey, Nikkismom #160.
And Pumacraig-
I am truely sorry for your hardship. You are an inspiration and I look forward to reading more of your comments here at Pumapac.
Juliette 09.02.09 at 11:36 pm
Sistermoon #50
Thanks for posting the video of that ass whole Obott who is unfortunately allowed to teach small children. I was so angry when I saw it last year. Can you find out if she still teaches at the school that is so close to you? I would really like to know. This stuff pisses me off more than I can say. If she still works with children she should be stopped. We have to many “teachers” like her in Philly where I live.
pumacraig 09.02.09 at 11:38 pm
HP Boston
#236 Thank you. I have to have help getting my food and I get food from Trader Joe, Farmers Market, Schnuckes etc. Because of my muscular disease (its in the Muscular Dystrophy family)other people do my shopping for me. So it depends on where they want to go. If I were not ill I would grow my own food. I make my own home made bread now. To get anywhere I have to get friends to take me and my wheel chair so for me it wasn’t about WF it was truly about free speech. That was my reason for supporting the buycott. Its OK for others to disagree with my beliefs and opinions and even laugh at them. I will respect and protect there right of Free Speech, no hypocrisy here. We pumas have been here before! I remember when BO was selected over Hillary’s 18 million win. We Pumas individually had to decide if we were going to vote for McCain in protest, Bo, or stay home or vote for a third party. I remember the heated discussions we had at times. As long as BO is in office I expect for Pumas to have difficult discussions and decisions to make. Thats why I respect all opinions here and have no desire to argue my point. I will follow my heart always. I don’t know if I will be alive in 2012 but my crazy unrealistic dream and wish is to see Hillary in that WH. Well good night fellow Pumas sweet dreams.
DancesWithPumas 09.02.09 at 11:40 pm
HP
Left work and went directly to a beach… spent 4 hours. Glorious… especially on a week night when crowds begone.
Juliette 09.03.09 at 12:22 am
Goodnight Pumacraig.
Praying for you to stay well and with us waaaaaaaaaay past 2012.
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