Found THIS story about human slavery over at TC this morning:
“One hundred forty-three years after passage of the 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and 60 years after Article 4 of the U.N.’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights banned slavery and the slave trade worldwide, there are more slaves than at any time in human history — 27 million.
Today’s slavery focuses on big profits and cheap lives. It is not about owning people like before, but about using them as completely disposable tools for making money.”
Which led me to THIS excellent group in California that is actually making strides against human trafficking, especially sexual trafficking.
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hillarysmygirl16 08.28.09 at 2:09 pm
Thank you for posting this. Human trafficing happens in every country including this one. Women and girls are sold as sex slaves every day and some are right here in the USA. They are often plied with drugs to keep them undercontrol and beaten. This must be stopped. Slavery must end once and for all.
Sunshinelvr 08.28.09 at 2:21 pm
Hey! I got an email –(amazing things happen every day!
)- and here are a few of the jokes it contained. ,,Maybe someone will get a laugh.–
If 4 out of 5 people SUFFER from diarrhea… does that mean that one enjoys it?
Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut, and still think they are sexy.
The shinbone is a device for finding furniture in a dark room.
Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car..
scarlet 08.28.09 at 2:27 pm
Demand to know if slave labor is in our supply chain
SIGN A PETITION DEMANDING THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR RELEASE ITS LIST OF SLAVE-MADE PRODUCTS!
Legislation has been put into place—thanks, in no small part to the work of supporters, clients, and staff of CAST—that safeguard the rights of trafficking victims. The most ground breaking of these, was the Trafficking Victims Protection Act (TVPA) of 2000, whose revision by Congress in 2005, among other things, stipulated that the Department of Labor provide a public list of “problem” products that may be produced by slave labor.
This list never materialized, and in 2008, the TVPA was again revised, giving the department a deadline of one year to make the list public.
It is now the middle of 2009. Still, there is no public list.
http://www.castla.org/demand-transparency-of-our-supply-chain
Sunshinelvr 08.28.09 at 2:37 pm
OT again!====
The woman applying for a job in a Florida lemon grove seemed to be far too qualified for the job.
The foreman frowned and said, “I have to ask you this; have you had any actual experience in picking lemons?”
“Well, as a matter of fact, I have!” she replied. “I’ve been divorced three times, and I voted for Obama.”
simofish 08.28.09 at 2:48 pm
Everytime I have a shitty day or hating my job or when my house was broken into I think how blessed I am with my life. I could have been born into a life tht lead me to be chained to a bed being raped multiple times daily. The Mrs cringes when I say this. Many people cringe, but I say it often.
In the scheme of things I have a great life.
Nothing pisses me off more than sex slavery.
I am on Amtrak heading to Reno to see Blondie in concert tonight. We’re in the sleeper car chilling out in this private alcove. It’s so cool !!
Islam sucks !! Fuck Obama & Bill Ayers.
GOSUEF4HIL 08.28.09 at 2:50 pm
I am by far an economist- I understand very little beyond what goes out should be less than what comes it…
However, I am thinking someone needs to contact the Nobel Prize committee and see about revoking Krugman’s:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
I just DON’T get it!
GOSUEF4HIL 08.28.09 at 2:51 pm
… than what comes in
sorry for the typo
simofish 08.28.09 at 2:59 pm
Micheal Jackson’s death ruled a homocide
Shadowfax 08.28.09 at 3:38 pm
simofish
Micheal Jackson’s death ruled a homicide
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Fu@kADuck, F, F!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope they hang both criminal doctors by the n@ts until they cry like little boys and beyond.
We all are better doctors then they were, even without medical school.
I hope his mom sues them all the way to Hell and back.
Simofish, hope you and Mrs. C. have a great time.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 4:16 pm
Shadow
jackson homicide link:
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/08/28/arts/entertainment-us-jackson.html?_r=1&hp
2PumaSisters 08.28.09 at 4:52 pm
Hello Murphy and Pumas,
Simofish #5…I am also counting my blessings.
We have so much to be grateful for. Have fun!!
Sex trade,slavery, rape, sex without consent SUCK.
persephone 08.28.09 at 4:56 pm
Rep. Diane Watson Raises Race, Praises Fidel Castro in Obamacare Debate
It was just mentioned to me by our esteemed speaker, “Did anyone say anything about the Cuban health system?”
And lemme tell ya, before you say “Oh, it’s a commu–”, you need to go down there and see what Fidel Castro put in place. And I want you to know, now, you can think whatever you want to about Fidel Castro, but he was one of the brightest leaders I have ever met. [APPLAUSE]
And you know, the Cuban revolution that kicked out the wealthy, Che Guevara did that, and then, after they took over, they went out among the population to find someone who could lead this new nation, and they found…well, just leave it there (laughs), an attorney by the name of Fidel Castro…
more:
http://www.kabc.com/Article.asp?id=1475675&spid=31959
maybe she ought to consider flying to cuba for her healthcare.
please report back, Rep. (or is it comrade?) Watson.
Shadowfax 08.28.09 at 5:21 pm
Thanks for the link Dances, I also read that the Dermo Dr. that Debby Rowe worked for had a huge load of drugs that tied to MJ, so I hope both doctor’s have to pay for contributing to his death.
Over and over, if a person has the big bucks, doctor’s forget what they are trained to do, heal and save lives…instead they are criminal and have to pay by more then just their freakin’ license. so many celebs have died at the hands of multiple ‘doctors’ and it has to stop.
persephone 08.28.09 at 5:23 pm
Obama and the Thugs
excerpt:
But something had changed between the last election and 2008. My friend told of a morning from hell, in which the women were rudely accosted on the street by young male thugs (her word), who called them “c*nts,” “whitey whores” and “stupid bitches.” These young males got in their faces and jostled them with angry shoves. My friend said that in all the years she had been doing just this simple patriotic activity, she had never had such a frightening experience. It was to be the first of several, which have left her shaken to this day.
Later on into the fall campaign, I spoke with Dr. Lynette Long, a former Hillary supporter compiling data on what she deemed, “Caucus Fraud.” She referred me to a set of video testimonials, in which middle-aged women mostly, gave grizzly accounts of the same thuggery employed against them in caucus settings.
The data compiled by Dr. Long, along with the video-recorded testimonials of dozens of caucus-goers, are indeed convincing. According to Dr. Long, in a personal interview, reports from caucus attendees are pretty horrifying at worst, wholly undemocratic at best. Female Clinton supporters reported being called “c*nts” and other sexual epithets, being spat upon by Obama supporters, being threatened physically, and an overall environment of hostility. Not exactly the democratic process to which we are accustomed.
In the end, it was the caucus states, where such strong-arm tactics were employed by Obama supporters, which finally gave Obama the victory. As Dr. Long points out, the only caucus in the entire nominating contest that Obama lost was Nevada. In every other caucus, relying heavily on thug intimidation, Obama prevailed.
more:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/obama_and_the_thugs.html
Shadowfax 08.28.09 at 5:59 pm
Good post over at Cinie’s…
My PUMApology Of Sorts
http://cinie.wordpress.com/2009/08/28/my-pumapology-of-sorts/
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 6:02 pm
I’ve heard good things about Cuban healthcare, also Mexican health and dental care (at a third of the price of US medical care).
One doesnt have to be communist to acknowledge good things under, so-called, bad regimes.
persephone 08.28.09 at 6:22 pm
So you’d try and sell a roomful of US Citizens, oh, wait-evilmongers-Cuba’s communist healthcare system, along with the notion that Fidel Castro is brilliant, at an Obamacare Town Hall?
(in the United effing States of America, land of the free, did I say that already??)
must go bang head.
Puma-SF 08.28.09 at 6:27 pm
Here’s another excellent post by Hillay Is 44:
http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/08/28/the-day-universal-health-care-died/
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 6:28 pm
Shadow…
…
I’m conflicted about saying this… but I’ll say it now with the caveat that I can eat my words later. ‘)
I’ve read Cinie daily for the past bit of time and always looked forward to her next post. I found her research skills impeccable, her point of view unique (to me), and the consistency of her humor unbeatable. I always learn something new with each and every post of hers.
Whenever Cinie’s name was brought up in a negative light on this blog, or she encountered knee-jerk snarks and insults, which always made me wince or roll me eyes, Cinie always discussed the matter in a civil manner. Relative to my short fused hot temper, she always astounded me with her cool because in the same circumstance, I know I would have gone ballistic at some point.
Over the past several weeks or so though, I’ve become aware of what I perceive as a pattern. When the site-whose-name-shall-not-be-named began trashing and undermining Puma PAC, I noticed that Cinie would come here, ask about the “blog wars” and how they began, even though she seemed acquainted enoight, in my opinion, with the daily posts at tswnsnbm, given her almost daily commenting there. I found this curious.
The last time I read Cinie on this blog she still seemed mystified as to where /how the perceived “blog wars” originated.
Yet, al three times she announced that she would have to cross off yet another blog from her reading / participation. Guess which one she wrote off.
This without, according to her account, knowing how the “war” began. Yet, Puma PAC was the blog she chose to distance from.
Seems to me, if you read the posts that insulted, silenced, and attempted to undermine Puma PAC, Puma PAC Puas, and Murphy, over at least a period of two to three weeks, I’d think it would be obvious where the responsibility for the “war” lies.
Unless one subscribes to the idea that when one is attacked, one should just be silent and be a well behaved doormat, instead of explaining or countering misstatements, or challenging twisted respresntations of actual occurences.
So, at this point, I’m disappointed in Cinie, and frustrated not understanding her reasoning.
Nice of her to apologize to liberal Republicans though… whatever the fuck that is.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 6:30 pm
persephone 08.28.09 at 6:22 pm
So you’d try and sell a roomful of US Citizens, oh, wait-evilmongers-Cuba’s communist healthcare system, along with the notion that Fidel Castro is brilliant, at an Obamacare Town Hall?
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No. I’d just post a comment stating:
“I’ve heard good things about Cuban healthcare, also Mexican health and dental care (at a third of the price of US medical care).One doesnt have to be communist to acknowledge good things under, so-called, bad regimes” on a blog as additional information.
persephone 08.28.09 at 6:31 pm
Not reading another post anywhere ever about those “Republican Astroturfers.”
It’s a great big pile of bullshit.
My experience with the so called astroturfers campaign consists of an email
sent out by the 85 year old president of the Republican Town Committee, usually a night or two before a local event, that says something to the effect of “Ladies, bring your walkers and meet me in front of the church if you’re interested.
Astroturf my ass.
Now go and look at the Obamaloons with their Organizing for America website giving you a google map of events nearest your zip code, pro-Obamacare talking points, lyrics of songs to sing if the anti-reform evil mongers are asking hard questions, carpooling info, printable posters, etc.
Liars.
http://www.femisex.com/content/benign-vs-malignant-a-new-day-liberal-politics
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 6:44 pm
Democratic and Republican Astroturfing are not mutually exclusive. Why would you believe republicans didn’t/aren’t astroturfing just because their methodology may not be as sophisticated… or, it might be more sophisticated in terms of stealth operations. I don’t trust either side… and I surely don’t trust many Pumas. I believe some and disbelieve most at this point.
jes’ my .14 cents
MamaPuma 08.28.09 at 6:46 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 6:30 pm
persephone 08.28.09 at 6:22 pm
So you’d try and sell a roomful of US Citizens, oh, wait-evilmongers-Cuba’s communist healthcare system, along with the notion that Fidel Castro is brilliant, at an Obamacare Town Hall?
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No. I’d just post a comment stating:
“I’ve heard good things about Cuban healthcare, also Mexican health and dental care (at a third of the price of US medical care).One doesnt have to be communist to acknowledge good things under, so-called, bad regimes” on a blog as additional information.
____________________________________________________________
I have heard good things about Cuba’s approach to health care for 3rd world countries. I have heard the “Good Doctor” in Haiti Doctor Farmer say that Cuba has a good attitude toward providing health care to 3rd world countries.
I have never heard that Cuba provides good health care by any European, Canadian or American standards.
Shadowfax 08.28.09 at 6:47 pm
Dance- I know what you are saying but I feel all PUMAs have enough frustration dealing with the destruction of their party and the corruption that caused Hillary to be pushed out of the election that may have led to the WhiteHouse.
I don’t give a hoot if a PUMA gets mad here, or somewhere else, or if a blog war is declared or not. There are certain people that have attacked Murphy and I won’t forget that and still expect them to apologize to her for their nastiness. Cinie is not included in this group in my eyes.
I think Cinie is fair and has her own beliefs and she treats me with respect and I feel the same towards her.
She has the right to blog there, here or anywhere and I will welcome her thoughts.
I don’t always agree with Cinie, I don’t always agree with anyone…that doesn’t mean I don’t respect her and I do enjoy reading her posts, love her humor and enjoy hearing what she has to say.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 6:51 pm
Shadow
I think your response may be spiraling into responses to things I did not say or intend to communicate.
I said I was disappointed and frustrated.
Everything else was just context.
BigCatLover 08.28.09 at 6:51 pm
I once told Cinie on this blog that she was the most stubborn woman ever with this astroturf thing. Look at the article she cites for her new outrage – that the health insurance industry is having 50,000 of it’s workers go to these town halls and disrupt the proceedings. Health care workers are white collar, mostly office, some medical. Would 50,000 of them be willing to give up an evening or even an afternoon to show up at a town hall. Probably not. Even if they were paid, these are not really low paid workers that need an extra $50 that much. It’s more hyperbole from the left.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 6:53 pm
Would 50,000 of them be willing to give up an evening or even an afternoon to show up at a town hall.
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If it meant being employed or not, I’d bet a percentage would attend.
Shadowfax 08.28.09 at 6:56 pm
Dances- I know what you were saying and I am just stating how I feel on the connection with the subject matter and other wingnut site.
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 6:57 pm
#21 Perse
I agree the astroturf charge is bogus and pretty ridiculous. Judging by the polls (cited here numerous times), people really ARE mad.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:00 pm
Astroturfing doesnt discount the people who attend because they are seriously angry. All scenarios are possible and probable.
BigCatLover 08.28.09 at 7:00 pm
DWP
I disagree. Times are different than when a boss could get away with that kind of thing. Where I used to work they used to make employees come in on a Sat morning to count ballots in the Board elections. Had to give that up 10 years ago when the employees complained.
persephone 08.28.09 at 7:00 pm
aahh, Cuba.
a dollar per ten hour day wage rolling cigars…40 year old car…a rice cooker from Brother Fidel.
And oooh, the health care..
(-:
this was written a few years ago, but I doubt much has changed:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/references/for_cubans_a_bitter_pill.htm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:01 pm
I don’t see leftists as wingnuts, sorry. I see certain individuals as nutcases, regardless of party or movement.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:05 pm
Truth be known, I’d hook up with an oboma voter (not an obot… they’re mindless) before I’d hook-up with a republican.
HP Boston 08.28.09 at 7:06 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:05 pm
Truth be known, I’d hook up with an oboma voter (not an obot… they’re mindless) before I’d hook-up with a republican.
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I’d much prefer a Republican they are more than mindless and
do not have BO!
persephone 08.28.09 at 7:08 pm
In my area a lot of older people who are genuinely afraid of what will happen to their Medicare beniefits under Obamacare, are going out and making their voices heard.
Polls indicate this to be the case all over the country.
And they should be afraid.
persephone 08.28.09 at 7:10 pm
wait
are you two taking about hooking up, as in hooking up?
TMI!
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:11 pm
Agree re: being fearful.
We should champion single payer…
take action from that angle instead of just blowing back against obamascare
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:12 pm
platonic hooking up… as in teaming up
persephone 08.28.09 at 7:15 pm
I won’t be championing anything that gives the government more money, power, and control.
They’re piss drunk on what they have now!
If Obama and his gnomes really gave a shit about Americans having affordable health care there’s a whole lot they could do to earn the trust of the people before they take a hatchet to a mostly good system.
There are other solutions.
It’s just not the huge emergency Obama is trying to sell us.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:17 pm
I’d much prefer a Republican they are more than mindless and
do not have BO!
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The rep[ublicans were a huge help in giving this country obama…
and clinton’s impeachment
and a few ill conceived wars
and voice to the religious right (“who are neither religious nor right”)
and the beginnings of this fantastic economy
and our huge debt
and providing obstacles to civil and reproductive rights…
and dumping the mentally ill on our streets
and going along with the 2000 corrupt election that delivered us their boy georgie dumya bush
I will never team up with republicans, ex-republicans, would be republicans. I have never been open to developing friendships with republicans and I never will be.
Their loss.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:19 pm
There are other solutions.
It’s just not the huge emergency Obama is trying to sell us.
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agreed.
note: the medical / insurance industries are the government…
it’s just takes less keystrokes to type “government”.
BigCatLover 08.28.09 at 7:24 pm
Hillary is 44 article (linked by Puma SF) is really insightful about Teddy’s king making efforts in this last election. His phony outrage at the Clintons was over the top during the campaign and seemed to come form nowhere at the time. I’ve learned to pay attention when my insticts say ‘huh, that’s odd’. Just didn’t know why he was doing it at the time. Wonder if BO and company will continue to struggle without the way paved by EK.
http://www.hillaryis44.org/2009/08/28/the-day-universal-health-care-died/
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 7:24 pm
#291 previous thread. Krauthammer wrote:
Isn’t there a catch? Of course, there is. This scheme is the ultimate bait-and-switch. The pleasure comes now, the pain later. Government-subsidized universal and virtually unlimited coverage will vastly compound already out-of-control government spending on health care. The financial and budgetary consequences will be catastrophic.
However, they will not appear immediately. And when they do, the only solution will be rationing. That’s when the liberals will give the FCCCER regulatory power and give you end-of-life counseling.
“bait-and-switch” …This whole health care debate has Obama written all over it.
HP Boston 08.28.09 at 7:25 pm
Well no shit Dances the Republicans suck as do the Dems…..can not find anything good to say about either trash heap!
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 7:44 pm
I’m really tired of partisan politics.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:46 pm
HP
Aside from parties, I mean individuals. I’m on the side of those who believe, as I do, in the principles we thought the Dem Party stood for…
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:47 pm
I don’t believe I’ll ever tire of my partisan positions.
CJK 08.28.09 at 7:49 pm
persephone 08.28.09 at 7:15 pm
Awomen, pers! Awomen!
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:17 pm
So, Dances, does that mean I should just scrap the PUMA PAC ‘Vote for Women’ 2010 project you conned me into being the ‘admin lead’ on??? As I’ve posted more than once here, I was a lifelong Dem, and was completely turned off by what the Party did to HRC and the entire primary process last year (and to the founding principles of this country), and by what the Party has become under BO. After voting for HRC in the primary, I registered R last Nov and voted McCain/Palin. If HRC doesn’t (by some miracle) run in 2012, I would campaign for/vote for Palin in a heartbeat if she does (by some miracle) become the R nominee. In addition, I would vote for Rs (who are not anti-abortion, anti-gay Huns) who challenge sycophantic BO supporters and pushovers of any party. So, does this mean I’m some kind of R pariah you would never team with, preferring to team with an Obama supporter rather than me???
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:50 pm
However, they will not appear immediately. And when they do, the only solution will be rationing. That’s when the liberals will give the FCCCER regulatory power and give you end-of-life counseling.
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Ooooor, another solution woudl be to scale back on stimuloss, or war mongering.
End of life counseling… I thought that meant reimbursing doctors for time spent discussing options for those with potentially life threatening diseases, or terminal illness. I support that.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:56 pm
CJK
I thought your willingness to join with others on the 2010 Women project was based on your personal passion and beliefs and positions.
I havent thwarted you or your team in any way, have I? I havent thwarted other teams either, at least not intentionally orbased on my personal beliefs.
When I support or assist Puma PAC, I do so from a neutral stance regarding the beliefs of others.
When I comment on my personal thoughts, I’m representing myself, not Puma PAC, not Murphy, nor anyone else.
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 7:57 pm
At this juncture, I just listen to an idea and decide if I agree or disagree wihout regard to what Party the person is in. I don’t care because politicians from both Parties have used and manipulated people to gain power.
I think both Parties have lovely *platforms*-but the individuals are the key factor.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 8:05 pm
Lots of democrats/exiled/ex-democrats voted for McCain last year, as a protest vote. I voted for McCain as a protest. I’m still a registered Democrat and didnt have to change party to vote for a Republican.
I will vote for women, within reason. I do have personal lines I will not cross. I will never vote for a man again. But, I abhor the idea of voting for anyone who has supported the party that has worked actively to deny me my rights as a woman, a lesbian.
waterpanther 08.28.09 at 8:09 pm
Your American doctor may have trained in Cuba, Mexico or some other “third world” country. Because American health care has become an industry rather than a profession or service, it benefits the retailers–the doctors–to keep competition down by restricting the number of graduates from American medical schools, which is done by limiting the number of places available. Patients are now “medical consumers,” and marketers put pressure on them through advertising to to demand high-end treatments where perhaps something less expensive might be just as effective. Consumer and marketer both pressure the retailer to provide the high end product, and both doctor and patient get caught in a closed feedback loop. Consumers get tests and medication they don’t need and costs are driven up for everyone.
Incidentally, Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate than the US, a lower incidence of preventable childhood diseases and a higher rate of vaccination.
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 8:09 pm
Dances-End of life counseling by government/VA:
“Your Life, Your Choices” presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political “push poll.” For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be “not worth living.”
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2009/08/government-run.php
Juliette 08.28.09 at 8:13 pm
Persephone
I’ve really enjoyed your comments and am in total agreement with them.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 8:18 pm
norma
Thank you for the info.
Aside from some long time, tried and true, ‘real life’ friends, a couple of family members, and 9 Original Pumas. I do not trust anything or anyone in terms of political positions, opinions, background, etc.
Not directed at you personally, just sharing where I’m coming from.
persephone 08.28.09 at 8:23 pm
So, does this mean I’m some kind of R pariah you would never team with, preferring to team with an Obama supporter rather than me???
________________________________________________________
CJK
she hates me too, sniff
persephone 08.28.09 at 8:25 pm
but in my case it’s her loss
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 8:27 pm
Dances
Understood. That’s healthy suspicion! That’s why I would study individuals before just the party affiliation.
CJK 08.28.09 at 8:27 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:17 pm
Dances, these are your words, from #41 above.
“I will never team up with republicans, ex-republicans, would be republicans. I have never been open to developing friendships with republicans and I never will be.”
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 7:56 pm
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My willingness to work on the ‘Vote for Women’ 2010 project IS MOST ASSUREDLY based on my own passion, beliefs and positions. Precisely because I have always been a women’s rights activist and a staunch believer in the U.S. Constitution and our country’s founding principles, it was a matter of conscience for me to abandon the Party formerly known as Democratic after its complete abandonment of women’s rights (except for the single issue of abortion, which it used/uses as merely a political football, not out of any real concern or empathy for women’s rights), after its complete abandonment of HRC, after its complete abandonment of the Constitution and our country’s founding principles. I consider myself a social liberal and fiscal conservative, and yes, now a registered R. I do not believe there is any hope for saving the Party formerly known as Democratic so long as it continues to allow itself to be defined by BO and his thugocracy. On the other hand, I tend to believe there may be hope for saving the R Party, which at least appears to be somewhat open to reform (I viewed Palin’s VP nomination in that light). Also, I believe there are many other members of the R Party very much like me. But, historically, I had defined myself politically as a Dem, but as a Dem of the Party of FDR, JFK and WJC. The Party now in power IS NOT THAT DEM Party, and, in my view, it never again will be!
As I’ve said before, it is as blind to be a lock-step Dem as it is to be a lock-step Repub. I hold no illusions about where the R Party has been in the past. But, I am also painfully aware that every step the Party formerly known as Democratic takes under BO is destroying this country that I love. If we allow America to be destroyed, none of our own ‘hot button’ issues will matter one iota any more. Why not build alliances with those of like mind, regardless of what party they may or may not belong to? Why not approach every potential friend, team member, ally, etc. first as an individual, rather than immediately rejecting them out of hand by judging them based on the history of one or the other major political parties?
No, you have not thwarted the work of our small project team. However, every comment you post here has a strong impace on all of the work (prowls, projects, links to activist sites, support/encouragement of PUMA PAC individuals/groups), which, as you are well aware, also goes on here.
You are an accomplished, bright, witty, lovable, formidable woman, Dances. I ask only that you please use your power here on PUMA PAC for the greater good, recognizing the tremendous impact you have on all of us.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 8:28 pm
Persephone
she hates me too, sniff
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Where do you get this stuff?
You’ve mentioned it enough times that I have to ask.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 8:29 pm
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 8:27 pm
Dances
Understood. That’s healthy suspicion! That’s why I would study individuals before just the party affiliation.
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True.
Therefore I will examine both democrats and green party candidates.
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 8:38 pm
#63
You crack me up!
stoney42 08.28.09 at 8:39 pm
I am a Democrat. Voted first time ever last election for a Republican – My BO protest. Having said that, I have friends that I have know for 30 – 40 years that are Republicans. They are wonderful friends. It never occured to me that I should not be friends with them because of their party affiliation.
Juliette 08.28.09 at 8:42 pm
If any other Pumas are ACLU members I would like to ask you to please call the ACLU and ask them to hold President Obama accountable for his constant and deliberate attacks on free speech. From his personal detruction of Joe the Plumber through a Ohio state employee who was an Obama maximum supporter, to his firing of Gerald Walpin to his appointment of Mark Lloyd to the FCC’s diversity scheme, to his administrations “Fishy”.gov site to his justice department’s refusal to prosecute Jerry Jackson, the New Black Panter Party Memeber and ELECTED MEMBER OF PHILADELPHIA”S 14 THE WARD DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE.
Barak Obama is clearly no advocate of free speech. I was and remain a member of the ACLU and called them today and yesterday to demand they go after Obama as aggressively as they did GW Bush. The woman I had the displeasure of speaking with was clearly an Obott. She defended Obama on every issue and said that they just didn’t find any cause for alarm. The idiot didn’t even know who Mark Lloyd was. Nor did she realize that in fact the ACLU did call Obama out on the unsolicited emails and list and for the Fishy informants program.
Obama’s justice department is just cool with the voter intimidation by one of there very own certified “poll watchers,” Jerry Jackson who stood in front of a Philadelphia polling center dessed in black panther military fatigues waving a night stick. Is Eric Holder a RACIST? Or does he just like winning at any cost?
An NEA (National Endownment for the Arts) officail came out a few days ago with a statement that Obama’s white house held a conference call with the NEA in which they asked them to support artistic projects that would support the Obama administraton’s cause. They mention how the HOPE poster and the WILL I AM “music” video helped Obama’s campaign. The NEA officail was not happy at all with the conference call and said tha this was not why the NEA existed.
Oh and of course there is the idiotic boycott of Whole Foods for CEO John Mackey’s crime of speaking out against Obama Scare.
Mackey is as progressive a CEO as you can get. I think this one has George Soros written all over it. I bet anything old George the Nazi informant bought up a shit load of stock from any and all Whole Foods competitors before letting loss the rabid Obama worshipors on facebook to destroy a exemplary American company.
CJK 08.28.09 at 8:44 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 8:05 pm
“But, I abhor the idea of voting for anyone who has supported the party that has worked actively to deny me my rights as a woman, a lesbian.”
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Just want to point out that many candidates/elected officials of both parties have, at one time or another, in one way or another, worked against LGBT rights (not that this excuses it in any way, but it is not limited to the R Party). Also, BO, a Dem, has been a huge disappointment on LGBT rights. He promised to strike down DADT and DOMA, and has not, instead pandering to the fundie religious wingnuts of both parties. Would you really prefer ‘teaming up’ with an Obama supporter instead of a pro gay rights/pro gay marriage Republican? (And, lest you think that I can’t possibly understand what it feels like to have my rights denied, I would point out that I am a woman whose rights are still not explicitly included in the Constitution, and, I am essentially bisexual, and have long been active in the struggle for LGBT rights.)
persephone 08.28.09 at 8:46 pm
August 26th, 2009 3:12 pm
A Communist in the White House? 1992 and 2009
The year was 1992. Bill Clinton had won the Presidential election, and he was preparing to make appointments to fill Cabinet positions. The leading candidate for Secretary of Education was an African-American woman who was head of his transition team for education, labor and the humanities, Johnnetta Cole. She was President of Spelman College in Atlanta, a highly regarded institution for black women, and sat on the boards of many corporations, including the Atlanta based Coca-Cola, and Merck pharmaceuticals. She currently is Director of the Smithsonian Museum of African Art. If you Google or Bing her name, there will be scores of sites linking to her solid establishment pedigree.
Only one thing is left out, and seems nowhere to be found. That is her longstanding ties to the Communist Party of the United States. That was not the case as Clinton was preparing to assume the presidency. Using material furnished to him by various sources, David Twersky, then Washington editor of the Jewish Forward, revealed the hidden story of Cole’s then recent past. Cole, he revealed, had held leadership positions in the pro-Castro Venceremos Brigades, a group that sent American volunteers to work in Cuba in support of the Cuban regime. She also held a major position on the Executive Board of the U.S. Peace Council, the pro-Soviet affiliate of the World Peace Council, the “peace” organization of the Communist bloc. As the Twersky articles reverberated through Washington, Cole responded that “right-wing extremists” were after her because she had opposed the war in Vietnam and Reagan’s invasion of Grenada.
Cole was being more than disingenuous. The Forward was not a right-wing paper; indeed, it had editorially endorsed Clinton for president.
more:
http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/08/26/a-communist-in-the-white-house-1992-and-2009/
communism sucks.
Sunshinelvr 08.28.09 at 8:51 pm
I have family members who are die-hard Republicans. We have quite a few lively discussions when the subject of politics comes up
And how is it decided on “original Pumas?” and one other question -this was probably answered somewhere, but I haven’t been able to find it –what happened to the bumper stickers we were doing?
boogieman7167 08.28.09 at 8:53 pm
BILL WOULD GIVE OBAMA ‘EMERGENCY’ CONTROL OF INTERNET
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html
this is very alarming
waterpanther 08.28.09 at 8:55 pm
The Republican Party made its Giant Leap Backward in 1980, and has pretty much continued in that direction ever since. I happen to find Palin personable in her own right, but I hold no illusions about why she was chosen as McCain’s VP. I will be very surprised if the R candidate in 2012 is anyone but Mitt Romney–or Jeb Bush if something hamstrings Romney between now and then.
The Republicans show no sign of repudiating the religious right or the laissez faire capitalists who want to destroy the social safety net. Women’s and LGBT issues? They’re not even on the Republican radar. Education? Let’s teach Genesis in the science classroom. Energy? Forget alternate, sustainable sources. The oil companies whores in the party are honest enough to stay bought.
The only way the Republican party will change is a complete turnover of the membership accompanied by ousting the party patriarchs. Anyone want to bet that will be allowed to happen?
CJK 08.28.09 at 8:56 pm
persephone 08.28.09 at 8:23 pm
she hates me too, sniff
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Nah, pers. She’s just thinkin’ that all Dems are her friends and all Repubs are her enemies. Just ain’t so…
zephyr 08.28.09 at 8:59 pm
So what do you think?…this is from an electronic/computer news/sales website….not a partisan organization.
Bill to give President Control of Internet during Cyberattack
S.773 being revised by Jay Rockefeller and Olympia Snowe
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1
CJK 08.28.09 at 9:01 pm
Anyone want to bet that the Dem Party patriarchs will be ousted???
Witness the hoopla being accorded TK this week. Patriarchy, paternalism, sexism/misogyny are not the exclusive province of the R Party. Anyone who would argue that BO and the Dems are “repudiating the religious right or the laissez faire capitalists who want to destroy the social safety net” is seriously delusional, after what we’ve witnessed during BO’s first seven months as POTUS and the power-mad giveaway-to-the-fatcats-with-a-nod-to-the-poor spending orgy taking place every day in this Dem-controlled Congress.
Cinie 08.28.09 at 9:02 pm
Dances, you say you’re disappointed in me. Fair enough. However, to clarify, I more often agree with the opinions expressed elsewhere than those expressed here. When I come here to express those opinions, I try my damnedest to be as civil as possible because I detest being in the middle of blog wars, which happens to be the guise under which most of these contrasting opinions are most often discussed. It’s not that I don’t know how they happen, it’s that I don’t want to get in the middle of them just to have a conversation. It seems to me, my visits here tend to inflame them, so, I try to limit myself to lurking, unless specifically addressed or called out. Or, it’s one of those times when I just can’t help myself.
And, BCL, if I was so stubborn, why would I even try to consider another point of view?
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 9:04 pm
I’m an Original PUMA (Exiled Democrat). You’re correct, even though it’s exceedingly presumptuous of you to tell others what (you think) I’m thinking, I hold no illusion that all democrats are my friends, but I know no republican or republican voters are my friends.
The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
Now I’ll continue creating my own blog where I can speak freely without having to silence myself for republicans / non-OPs.
CJK 08.28.09 at 9:06 pm
As I’ve tried to say before, the old political/ideological labels simply do not work anymore for open, intelligent debate and discourse today, here and now. I’ve gotta go. It’s hot. My blood pressure’s going up. May be risking a TIA if I stay. BBL.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 9:07 pm
Cinie,
Thank you for your response. My disapointment has evaporated, as has my frustration in not understanding your reasoning..
Thank you also for your, as ever, graciousness.
Best to you.
Sunshinelvr 08.28.09 at 9:07 pm
that definition makes me one, too..an OP and I have been on this blog for over a year.
But you can’t leave here, Dances. This place would never be the same.
and does anyone know about the bumper stickers? I wanted one or two.
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 9:08 pm
I hope and pray we will find the strength to influence the outcomes next time, though we were ripped off last time.
Repubs are struggling with their right-wing nuts and Dems with OBAMANATION.
boogieman7167 08.28.09 at 9:10 pm
zephyr i did not think that anyone could abuse power & the Constitution . more the bush admin but u was wrong BO seems to be outdoing that at almost light speed
CJK 08.28.09 at 9:10 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 9:04 pm
Well, excuse the fuck out of me. I am a Republican now, and I thought I was your friend and you were mine… I don’t ask that you silence yourself for Rs or non-OPs (BTW, I don’t know whether I’m an OP or not; though I’ve been following this blog from the outset). All I asked was that you approach each commenter as an individual first, without prejudging them based on party labels or lack thereof…Also, I wasn’t being presumptuous. I was trying to be humorous. Guess I failed.
goofsmom 08.28.09 at 9:12 pm
Dances,
I understand what you are saying…
(((Pumas)))
I will be off blog and email for a week or so, due to technical difficulties… Please know I will be sending you all good thoughts, prayers and strenght…
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 9:13 pm
Freedom Friday-I love the sound of that! Lifelong Dem now exiled, possibly forever, I will be free!
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 9:18 pm
the old political/ideological labels simply do not work
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I use labels as shorthand for a basic set of identifiable principles.
I actually don’t get how you identify as PUMA when you so often defend Republicans / the Republican Party and believe the Republican Party can be resusitated. Why would anyone even want to resusitate that party knowing what they stood for /against during our lifetime…
and puhlease… let’s not time travel back to “the party of Lincoln”.
Whether the party of my choice is demonstrating the principles I believed they represented or not, I am most closely aligned with those voters who believed, as I have, in the principles of the party.
PS People consistently vote for the party that most closely represents widest body of their positions, that’s the reason I’ve never been open to culitivating friendships with Republicans.
goofsmom 08.28.09 at 9:18 pm
Dances,
You have mail….
prplvette85 08.28.09 at 9:22 pm
How about everyone go re-read our Mission Statement?
This is what the OP’s are about.
http://pumapac.org/we-can-do-it-the-puma-pac-citizens-action-network/
ciao for now
Hiya Dances!
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 9:26 pm
and I thought I was your friend and you were mine
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Seriously, no offense but, I don’t even know you, nor do you know me.
We’re co-commenters on a blog. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don’t agree. Sometimes the banter is light, other times heated or strained. Sometimes we’re friendly, sometimes not.
It takes time, exposure, and a myriad of experiences before I determine whether or not I want to develop a friendship. Sometimes an instant rapport occurs, but it still takes time, exposure, and a variety of experiences for me to cultivate a true friendship. When I speak of “friends”, I’m speaking of true and lasting friendship. I don’t confuse “friendly” with “friendship”.
zephyr 08.28.09 at 9:27 pm
I know boggieman …..and what’s more alarming is the insiduous manner in which it is being carried out. I hope
this gets more press and people rise up in droves about this.
As the info gets out to the techies….think more people will wake up.
As to the other discussion on D’s vs R’s, I do believe a new breed of independent voters are gaining momentum as witnessed by the Tea parties and 9/12 protesters….most people I talk with don’t care about the antics of either party but DO care about whether our Constitutional rights are being stomped on and are ready to fight for them.
prplvette85 08.28.09 at 9:29 pm
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normapapuma 08.28.09 at 9:29 pm
#73
It seems like a reasonable thing to protect our cyber networks, not sure how that would work…The four questions not answered are interesting.
waterpanther 08.28.09 at 9:31 pm
CJK 08.28.09 at 9:01 pm
Anyone want to bet that the Dem Party patriarchs will be ousted???
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Who said they would be? And by the way, one “?” is quite sufficient.
Anyone who would argue that BO and the Dems are “repudiating the religious right or the laissez faire capitalists who want to destroy the social safety net” is seriously delusional, after what we’ve witnessed during BO’s first seven months as POTUS and the power-mad giveaway-to-the-fatcats-with-a-nod-to-the-poor spending orgy taking place every day in this Dem-controlled Congress.
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Same question. I don’t see anyone here arguing the virtues of Obama on that score. Straw man much?
The problem is that the Democratic Party has shifted so far right that in many respects it’s indistinguishable from the Republicans. There has been no corresponding shift leftward, or even a minuscule creep toward the center, by the Republicans. Indeed, the Dems’ occupation of some former Republican turf will likely push the R’s even further right, as we’ve seen with health care reform.
Neither major party at this point has anything positive to offer to women, LGBT’s or middle and lower-income Americans.
prplvette85 08.28.09 at 9:34 pm
Pssst… the donate key is right up there^ …. for just the cost of one pack of cigs… you too can help..
just sayin
NikkisMom 08.28.09 at 9:34 pm
The animal shelter where I volunteer was started by 3 republican women. During their first year when they were trying to raise funds to build the shelter, they drove around the county picking up stray dogs & cats. They worked out of the backs of their cars, sitting in the ditches with the animals, pulling ticks off the dogs, applying emergency aid whenever they could, thrashed the local vets into heavily discounted vet care, and through their churches, they setup a huge network of foster homes until they could get the shelter built. They earned a lot of people’s respect, including mine.
I never once thought about questioning their politics. I didn’t care and don’t care now – I was more interested in what they had in their hearts for these animals. They have been the leaders in saving over 1500 animals in this county alone over the last 2.5 years and have setup numerous spay/neuter clinics. We don’t discuss politics and they don’t push religion on me. One of them helped me, with a severely abused GSD that I adopted. The lady (a professional dog trainer) worked with me and my dog for over 6 months, to bring her out of her shell – for a one-time fee of $25.00.
I’m not naive – I know not all republicans are so kind – but, I’ll choose a person based on their human characteristics before I choose them for their politics – I don’t think “politics” makes the person – afterall, aren’t we all “humans” first?
BTW, I also have a girlfriend that voted for Obama and she’s a lesbian. While her vote for him has certainly strained our relationship, we still manage to do fun things & not discuss politics (although I did nudge her when Obama defended DOMA
) I couldn’t help myself. 
NikkisMom 08.28.09 at 9:39 pm
zephyr #89
“most people I talk with don’t care about the antics of either party but DO care about whether our Constitutional rights are being stomped on and are ready to fight for them.
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exactly my experiences too.
CJK 08.28.09 at 9:47 pm
If anyone had bothered to read my previous comments on this blog, they would realize that I have often said that until/unless there is a viable major third party, we are pretty much stuck with the corrupt two-party system for the time being. I have never said the R’s were ‘better’ than the D’s. Right now, in order to have any vote matter, one must vote either R or D. If there were a New Woman’s Party, THAT would be my party. I do not believe EITHER the R or the D parties, as they currently stand, represents the majority of American voters, whom I believe are much more centrist/moderate in their views. For now, I will evaluate each candidate, regardless of party, on their track record and/or on their statements on the issues. Any sycophantic BO supporter/pushover is automatically discounted, however. But, by all means, continue to bash me for speaking out on behalf of the idea of allowing other points of view to be heard/discussed before pre-judging based on ‘party history.’ (In particular, I truly appreciate and benefit from the comments laced throughout with dripping condescension.)
P.S. NikkisMom–Wonderful story! “I’ll choose a person based on their human characteristics before I choose them for their politics – I don’t think “politics” makes the person – afterall, aren’t we all “humans” first?” Thank you. My point exactly, but you said it so much better. (((NikkisMom)))
gojoyknocks 08.28.09 at 9:48 pm
prplvette85…I’ll bite. Snail mail donation headed out in the a.m.
murphy 08.28.09 at 9:50 pm
as cinie said,
“PUMAs can be any one of a number of things, united in their “catness,” wherever you find them, whatever you call them. Me, I’ll stick to the disillusioned, disenfranchised, liberal Democrat who’s pissed at the Obots and the FreedomWorker Riders, side of the aisle, thank you very much.”
i’m good with that.
CJK 08.28.09 at 9:50 pm
P.S. WP, I realize one “?” is sufficient. I used three for emphasis. Again, excuse the fuck out of me. I hold a B.A. in English, magna cum laude, from a well-respected private college. Of course, I cannot possibly match your vast knowledge and experience as a teacher of every conceivable subject known to humankind, either heretofore in history or hereafter throughout eternity…
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 9:52 pm
Sunshinelvr 08.28.09 at 9:07 pm
But you can’t leave here, Dances. This place would never be the same.
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I’m not leaving. I’ll be damned if I’m going to be chased away, surrender, or have this blog be taken over by Republicans and Republican talking points. It isnt my blog. The only power I have is in commenting.
I told Murphy, almost from the beginning of teh blog, that she could ban me at any time, and there would be no hard feelings toward her. I also told her that I wouldnt be leaving unless it she requested that I leave, for the good of the blog, for the good of the PUMA movement.
I’m creating a blog where I won’t be censored by other commenters, where I will talk to myself if need be. I’m tired of countering republicans and republican talking points. We’ve spent months doing that with obama and his minions. I’ll be damned if I’m going to waste my breath ad nauseum countering basic fundamental differences in mindset between republicans and democrats…VOTERS, aside from the profession politicians.
prplvette85 08.28.09 at 9:53 pm
Thanks Gojoy! ….now who will match?…
Btw.. my vet just called my boxer has cancer.. I have to take her to an oncologist… this fkng sux.. I am going for a walk…bbl
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 9:53 pm
OK Purplevette-You got me!
Confirmation number: 3WE496620D140800J.
BillieJo 08.28.09 at 9:54 pm
I had a weird encounter with an obot coworker today.
I was wearing my black Hillary t-shirt, the $50 donate to reduce her debt shirt. (“For everyone that has been counted out….”)
The obot read the front of the t-shrit and he tried not to act like he was looking at my boobs while reading.
After he was finished reading my shirt, that I straightened out so he could see the silhouette of Hillary, with a smile on his face he said…”That was what Obama said, right?”
I looked at him like his hair had just caught on fire and said, “What the hell, does this look like Obama on my shirt?”
He looked again confused, I told him it was H-I-L-L-A-R-Y!!! She said this, not Obama. He looked at me shocked, looking at my shirt and then smiled and said, oh………yea, I see it is Hillary by the shoes. (Little low heels).
Talk about me having self control…………. OY!
murphy 08.28.09 at 9:55 pm
no one’s bashing you CJK.
I for one read all of your comments word for word and enjoy them. I like your politics very much.
I think we’re all figuring out where the heck we stand on all of these issues. It’s a new thing to not feel aligned with a set party ideology.
and remember — anyone who is quitting smoking is 1000000% immune to anyone being annoyed-pissed-irritated-mad at them, they/we have total immunity. . .
becuase quitting smoking makes everyone a bit cranky. or at least a little crabby.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 9:55 pm
I am really trying to articulate something so profound, so enlightening, so useful… so meaningful… ah here it is
FRICK IT, IT IS FRIDAY NIGHT, THE FIRST ROUND’S ON ME!!!
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 9:56 pm
now I am going to bed, I gotta work in the morning
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 9:56 pm
But, by all means, continue to bash me for speaking out on behalf of the idea of allowing other points of view to be heard/discussed
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I’ll be goddamned… wow!
Uhhh, arent you the one who who wanted me to censor myself because of some misperceived power I have…. for the greater good or something or other?
You didnt like what I said and gave me a rash of yogurt for it… so, who’s zooming whom?
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 9:57 pm
Murphy,
Keep your eyes on the road, wouldja please.
murphy 08.28.09 at 9:58 pm
you have to work on Saturday Deadgirl??
no fair!
so it’s not even Friday night for you, which makes your gesture that much more gracious.
{{{deadgirl}}}
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 10:00 pm
Dances, Sorry Republicans make you upset!
NO one leave. I’m going to bed & hope you’ll be here tomorrow!
murphy 08.28.09 at 10:01 pm
will do DWP — not leaving until 3am or so — Danny wimped out on us so we’re not too worried about weather.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:04 pm
CJK 08.28.09 at 9:50 pm [edit]
P.S. WP, I realize one “?” is sufficient. I used three for emphasis. Again, excuse the fuck out of me. I hold a B.A. in English, magna cum laude, from a well-respected private college. Of course, I cannot possibly match your vast knowledge and experience as a teacher of every conceivable subject known to humankind, either heretofore in history or hereafter throughout eternity…
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whoa.
In spite of your B.A. in English, magna cum laude, from a well-respected private college, you just demonstrated how much you havent learned.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 10:06 pm
Hey ((((Murphy))) !!! I get to work every day for the next 7, (which will make 12 days 10 hours each, consecutive) then next Sat bright and early, I am heading out to North Truro/PTown for what is left of the summer, on Labor Day weekend… I hope those storms push some of that Gulf Stream north, since they are usually good for at least some pools of hot water that break off and push northward thanks to good old physics. Summer seems to be wheezing and dying off here already… that will make about 5 weeks total summer in NE this year. Please Summer, come back for my last break until Oahu for two weeks at Christmas.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:09 pm
waterpanther,
You’re brilliant. You have research to back up your comments, and I for one, appreciate your presence on the blog, it goes a long way toward balance.
Don’t let anyone shame you for your intellect… no matter how many credentials they flash.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:10 pm
murphy 08.28.09 at 10:01 pm
will do DWP — not leaving until 3am or so — Danny wimped out on us so we’re not too worried about weather.
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excellent. Everyone can quit worrying now.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 10:10 pm
If I did not have to work like this, at this time, I would have joined Cindy on MV this week…
waterpanther 08.28.09 at 10:10 pm
yea, I see it is Hillary by the shoes. (Little low heels).
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I knew teh Precious had man-boobs, but I didn’t realize they were that bad.
murphy 08.28.09 at 10:11 pm
what dwp said about wp.
a-yup.
aw shucks deadgirl — hawaii??
dang.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 10:18 pm
scoping out my future home… I need ocean, and beach, and sun year round or I will end up on The Hill, here in my quaint hoity town… these 5 week summers are killin’ me… so is the corporatization and stocking up of useless management tools in the tippy toppy of the I.L., turning it into an Ivy covered CC. Bunker Hill CC will have more cache by the time this madness infecting has run its course.
(Thanks LALA Larry, you really fucked this place UP, with the help of your cronies.)
waterpanther 08.28.09 at 10:19 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:09 pm
waterpanther,
You’re brilliant. You have research to back up your comments, and I for one, appreciate your presence on the blog, it goes a long way toward balance.
Don’t let anyone shame you for your intellect… no matter how many credentials they flash.
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Right backatcha, Dances. You’re one of the most insightful commenters on the PUMA blogs.
As for the credentials–I’m not going to get into a contest over that. I could see that pair of fives and raise it considerably, but what would be the point?
Juliette 08.28.09 at 10:19 pm
Hey CJK
I am still registered as a democrat and have seriously considered changing to republican for the first time in my life. They say all politics is local and as of yet I have never heard of a KKK member standing in front of a polling center in Philadelphia wearing a white sheet and waving a night stick.
I havn’t ruled out becoming an independent either. But I just can no longer relate to my party since it has been bought and paid for by the most powerful financail swindlers on the planet.
What ever party winds up with me they had best not take me for granted like the democrats did. I do not pray at the alter of any political party. I have tried to hold every president we have had in my adult life, democrat or republican, accountable for thier actions. I am going to continue to look at candidates as individuals but I do think that the imbalance of power in the democratic party has been a corrupting forse. That reason alone may convince me to vote for republicans in the 2010 election, if for no other reason than to stop the Obama policies in their tracks, policies which are nearly all crap.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:22 pm
waterpanther,
As for the credentials–I’m not going to get into a contest over that. I could see that pair of fives and raise it considerably, but what would be the point?
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I know. I was restraining myself, besides, it wasn’t mine to share.
waterpanther: “GIN RUMMY!!!”
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 10:24 pm
This weeks Economist:
Big Is Back – The Return of The Corporate Giant
I think maybe they really meant to say:
“The Return of The Robber Baron’s and the Monopolies of the 19th Century…”
CJK 08.28.09 at 10:25 pm
Okay, I take enough shit in the real world from many people, including my current significant other, his ex-wife and his grown-up adopted kids. I have no job, no income, am severely hearing impaired (as of 2005). Last year, I went bankrupt and my home was foreclosed. (I’ve bought three homes on my own, with no help whatsoever, and the third one was the only failed investment.) Since then, I’ve depended on the ‘kindness’ of others for my basic support. So, I do not need to take shit from people on a blog whom I had believed to be enlightened women. Dances, so sorry I’m not ‘brilliant’ like WP. (BTW, goofsmom and michelina can go on with the ‘Vote for Women’ 2010 project. I’m sure they’ll do an outstanding job. I wouldn’t want to sully the project with the fact of my 2008 R registration.) Dances, hope you and WP continue to have fun stroking each other’s ‘brilliance,’ not to mention egos. BTW, a blog isn’t a place where one always uses impeccable grammar, punctuation and syntax. A blog attempts to be conversational. Here, however, I’ve learned that any effort at real conversation (other than inane banter)ultimately results in futile confrontations. Now, I’ve got to get ready to leave here tomorrow and hit the road once again, in search of some form of support.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:25 pm
They say all politics is local and as of yet I have never heard of a KKK member standing in front of a polling center in Philadelphia wearing a white sheet and waving a night stick.
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The KKK doesn’t waste time profiling… they go directly for the rope and tree.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 10:26 pm
folks… try NOT jumping from the frying pan INTO THE FIRE
or from the fire into pool of boiling oil
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 10:29 pm
The Party of Lincoln, is not what it was… in fact, they were completely infiltrated and replaced with the Oligarch’s who brung us this:
“The Return of The Robber Baron’s and the Monopolies of the 19th Century…”
Same things been done to the Dem’s. I mean, why stop with one half when you can have it all, and control an entire country of over 250 Million?
O-L-I-G-A-R-C-H-Y
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:29 pm
Why continue with teh ping – pong parties, with flips and flops at midterm? Either start a new party ($$$$$$$$) or bulk up the existing parties… The Green Party is a feminist party, they had women candidates for Pres and VP. Why not go that route?
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 10:31 pm
m’kay, discuss (or, er disgust) amongst ya selves while I catch some zzz’s
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:31 pm
DG
exactly!
we commented at the same time…
goofsmom 08.28.09 at 10:31 pm
Dances,
Excellent idea..
CJK 08.28.09 at 10:33 pm
P.S. Dances and WP, I realize a B.A. in English doesn’t mean shit to either of you, who’ve obviously reached far more dazzling pinnacles of educational accomplishment. I wasn’t implying that it was the be-all, end-all credential to have. I recognize that, in the scheme of things, it is at the lower end of educational credentials. I was merely responding — facetiously, I thought — to WP’s sarcastic remark that one question mark was sufficient. I’m sick to death of WP’s sarcasm and condescension. So WP was/is a teacher. BFD. I’ve had the honor and privilege of knowing many brilliant, truly remarkable teachers. I’m sure no one in WP’s classrooms is/was ever allowed to be a star of any magnitude, since it was absolutely mandatory that WP’s brilliance outshine all others.
boogieman7167 08.28.09 at 10:36 pm
i dont think a 3rd party is the way 2 go . a voteng block 1 that one that both partys will fear . a 3rd part on out country scares nobody .
Juliette 08.28.09 at 10:37 pm
Dances
I was refering to party approved and protected voter intimidation. Now that Attorney General Holder has refuses to prosecute Jerry Jackson The New Black Panther Party for Self Defence member I feel that the democrats are supporting and protecting voter intimidation. Jerry Jackson was appointed to be a poll watcher by the Democratic Party and is also an elected member of Philadelphia’s 14th Ward Democratic Committee.
This in addition to all the intimidation dring the caucus fiascos and the SEIU’s bullying of citizns protesting Obama sell out health care reform just makes me want to lessen the power that the democrats now hold. I believe in peoples right to vote and protest without intimidation. How should I expect the democratic party to change if I continue to support them even after they have become so ridiculously corrupt?
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 10:44 pm
I’m not an “original Puma”, so I’m sure I’m one Dances detests. I have been too busy to be in here the past several days, but just came in now this evening and seem to have stumbled into a big of a “family squabble”. My two cents, for whatever it’s worth is this:
There are good democrats and there are good republicans. There are likewise bad ones in both parties. There is no one party that can rightly claim to hold exclusive rights to having “good people” and no one party that can hold exclusive rights to having all “bad people”. People are- people. The people who vote one way or another are not the party that they voted for, in most cases. The majority of people in America are not mindless robots with no other personalities or personal interests than the political party that they vote for. They generally do not 100% agree with the people in the parties that they are voting for. These voters are all people and therefore deserve respect. I am talking about voters here, and not the people who are the “elected officials” of the parties.
I have friends who are registered democrats and friends who are registered republicans. We have other things in common that make us friends totally separate from politics. Politics generally are not the “sum total” of most people that I know, nor even is it a major part of their personality or interests in life.
Stop looking at parties and those who we are voting in or out; and look at those who are doing the voting. You’ll find many good people, and bad ones, who vote for any and all political parties. Judge who they are, person by person, not by the party they vote for, but what things are most important to them as individuals, and what things you may have in common. You’ll find that some republican people aren’t as terrible as people as you might think if you only look at the political party they vote for.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:46 pm
CJK
Let it go. waterpanther isn’t attacking you, she was countering your comments.
“Dances and WP, I realize a B.A. in English doesn’t mean shit to either of you, who’ve obviously reached far more dazzling pinnacles of educational accomplishment.”
Can only speak for myself. You trump me.
I grew up painfully poor. Dropped out of high school. Left home at 16. Went back to school on my own dime… worked three jobs. Only one in my family to earn a degree.
My grades were not spectacular, excelled in some areas, bearly scratched by in others.
Where I am smartest is, I know how much I don’t know, and appreciate any credible person who can teach me / from whom I can learn.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 10:46 pm
Dances, I broke from the Green’s in the early Oughts (00-01) because of their moving hardcore into collectivism… primarily in regards to people being frowned on for not carpooling if they had a car, and living alone and consuming energy and taking up space that could actually be utilized by many, conserving energy, stopping suburbanization, and restoring the environment. WHY would I object to that? Primarily because of the awareness that my next roommate might be another in a long line of rude, arrogant, mouthy assholes, who would likely end up “planted” in the backyard, which is fine, til the neighborhood’s stray cats dug em up… anyhoo (I don’t have a temper or anything like that). I mean, I believe in preventing crime before it ever happens.
But now that I am going to undertake a new career, as a hotel maid in Waikiki, I have learned that probably 50% of Oahu is shared living situations. So I wrap my mind around that, and start learning to deal… and it was at that point, well, I said, if I can collectivize my life (having let my brother and his kid and at one point my dad too, invade) then I could perhaps join the Green’s again.
My name is DeadGirl and I was a selfish self centered space hogging gas guzzling planet polluting capitalist and I repent.
Juliette 08.28.09 at 10:48 pm
HopePuma
Very well said. I totally agree.
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 10:48 pm
I hope what I posted makes sense. It’s difficult sometimes for me to put into words what I am feeling. I struggle sometimes to get my feelings and thoughts into words on a blog. Especially when the italic doesn’t stop after just one word, like what happened at the end of that post, LOL.
BillieJo 08.28.09 at 10:51 pm
I don’t get it, if someone on the blog wants to be praised as becoming a new Republican, why are you on this blog?
If you admire the Republican’s fine, why don’t you blog with them so you are among folks that have the same agenda?
Do you really think all the Hillary Dem PUMAs are gonna give you a high fives for converting to the Republican party?
Jeeze, enough of the pro Republican dribble.
BBL
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:55 pm
How should I expect the democratic party to change if I continue to support them even after they have become so ridiculously corrupt?
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agreed.
My reaction was knee-jerk… the comparison to kkk was apples and oranges in my opinion.
Another, probably poor analogy, I wouldnt be interested in anyone who was a KKK member because they only participated once a month, year, every four years, or ever 25 years. Any support enables a group. Would you ask an African-American to overlook someone’s participation in the KKK because that person shares a mutiual interest in stamp collecting, or hockey, or literature. Woudl you ask them to overlook the fact of kkk membership? To me, it’s almost the same. Republicans have been and are my enemies, as a woman and a lesbian, mutual love of camping or anything else wouldnt override the fundamental fact of what they support.
I would give a bag of zucchini to my neighbor even if they were republican… but, I wouldnt develop a true friendship with them because I wouldnt have anything much to say, or be open to hearing after, “Hi. Howya doin’? Here, have some zucchini.”
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 10:55 pm
Hi (((BillieJo))) L8rz too
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 10:56 pm
When you meet someone, or work with someone, do you ask what political party they are with? Or do you just see them as people and judge them accordingly? Why are we so stuck on if a person is a registered R or D, or nothing at all? Why are we not taking people as they are- people- as long as they are in agreement with the primary reasons and basis for this blog? People don’t generally walk around with labels that say “I’m a democrat” or “I’m a republican”. Why are we sticking those labels on them? Those labels do not make the person. Or do you think that somehow they do? I, personally, do not know anyone whose whole being, life, and personality; what things they like and dislike; are based even partially (much less primarily) on the party they vote for. Do you?
BillieJo 08.28.09 at 10:57 pm
((((DeadGirl))) High fives!
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 10:57 pm
My name is DeadGirl and I was a selfish self centered space hogging gas guzzling planet polluting capitalist and I repent.
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LOL!!
I loved living collectively, here and in NY.
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 11:01 pm
Maybe I’m wrong, but I get the gut feeling that outside of Juliette I am being “snubbed” and ignored. Or is it just people are slow in reading and responding? It is wrong to express a personal opinion in here? If so, I’m sorry. I missed that in the rules somewhere.
murphy 08.28.09 at 11:01 pm
we’ll be here for you when you get back CJK.
safe travels.
BillieJo 08.28.09 at 11:01 pm
HopePuma
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This blog isn’t like real life, although we are real people.
The reason your post doesn’t really apply is because this blog IS about politics, that’s what we talk most about. And……….politics between Repub party and old school Dems is very different.
BillieJo 08.28.09 at 11:02 pm
Hey you sweet {{{{Murphy}}} PUMA, I’ve missed you.
Hope you and your darling family are having a great time and thanks for all the wonderful photos.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:03 pm
To sum it up, the Core of the Republican Party, the Base, and The Platform, is anti-woman, anti-LGBT, enforcing biology as imperative, etc etc etc and Pro-Executive privilege with extra-Constitutional powers granted to its self (E.B.) continuously over time. Slippery Slope. Ugly policy platform. No rights for the “wicked” who will burn in hell anyway.
FUCK THAT. FUCK THEM.
CJK 08.28.09 at 11:04 pm
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 10:56 pm
HopePuma, very well said. I agree. With that, I leave you. Best wishes to all lovely, wonderful PUMAs. Goofsmom, michelina, best of luck on the project. I’ll e-mail you, and then sign off for good. Thanks, Murphy. You are one special woman, with very special gifts. Stay healthy, strong and good. Women voters really need you and your uncanny ability to bring diverse factions together. It could mean the very survival of this country as we know it. Bye.
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 11:05 pm
But aren’t most in here people who have been disenfranchised by the dem party and are, essentially, drifting without a real party now? Doesn’t that point out even more than ever that we need to find people of “like minds” who agree with us regardless of who they voted for to “flock together” on the blog? If you are only going to accept dems, then… I’m sorry but I’ve been too hurt by the dem party to be part of the group. I can no longer call myself any particular party name, because party “labels” suck. I learned that. Didn’t most of us in here learn that? So why, then, are we still using the “same ol’, same ol’ ” labels that went so awry?
Juliette 08.28.09 at 11:05 pm
BillieJo
Will the republicans forse my young nieces and nephews into Universal National Service? This is my greatest concern right now. The thought of Obama and Emanuel indoctrinating Americas youth makes by blood boil. Obama intends on being our president until he draws his final breath. He is setting up all of the frame work now, for that to become possible. I sure as hell will not allow him to use my young family members to his sick advantage. He is by far the worse president this country has eevr seen. And unfortunately for all of us he is a democrat.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:06 pm
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 10:56 pm
When you meet someone, or work with someone, do you ask what political party they are with? Or do you just see them as people and judge them accordingly?
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I do it the other way around.
I learn who they are through conversation and interaction and know which party they belong to.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:07 pm
Dances, I only want to live in a collective like in college days (dazed and confused daze) All hot. All party. All the time. Clothing optional. (yeah, uhuh, right… they don’t call me deadgirl for nothing anymore)
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:10 pm
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 11:05 pm
But aren’t most in here people who have been disenfranchised by the dem party and are, essentially, drifting without a real party now? Doesn’t that point out even more than ever that we need to find people of “like minds” who agree with us regardless of who they voted for to “flock together” on the blog?
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I’ve never met or heard a republican of “like mind”.
I’m not the flocking type.
murphy 08.28.09 at 11:11 pm
Juliette,
Do you not have spell-check on your computer or do you spell atrociously on purpose?
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:13 pm
Oh yeah, my most recent brilliant thought, before I try to shut down machinery in head, which occurred to me while I was standing in a customer service line at the store to return some very dry lactose free cheese (got double my money back for it cha-ching LOVE yucky bone-dry lactose free lacey swiss cheese now))
anyhoo… it occurred to me, how women will finally achieve equality.
okay, I know this will upset certain people who have gone through their biological imperative stages, or are about to, but… here goes
women have to stop having children, or at least get the men to stay home and raise them. This will raise their visibility in the swarm of huMANity, and we will easily outsmart, and overtake them. SO, I am not telling you to eat your babies, or sell them (well, sell the boy children to Chinese and South Asian couples who need them cuz that will help our efforts to).
In just a few generations, we will rule Merka. For Sure. No Shit. Do it. Its your duty!!!
murphy 08.28.09 at 11:14 pm
I want a cigarette REAALLY bad.
ahem.
the craving DOES pass by just like you said HP — in the time it took me to type this my craving is long gone,
but coming around again.
oy vey.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:14 pm
LOL
DeadGirl!
In NY we had a three or four (think it was 4) story tenement building. Each had their own room, some had two rooms because of teh way the entries were configured. We one large kitchen, livingroom, some work spaces (one member was a guitar maker, another a crafts person, etc) a quiet room, etc.
In No CA we had an 8 bedroom house. Shared food… lived socially but independently. All women, mixed sexual orientation, in No CA. Mixed gender and orientation in NY.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:16 pm
ok, just one more…
Dances, same here… FLOCK them…
zephyr 08.28.09 at 11:16 pm
So Dances, what party do you think I’m in?
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:16 pm
Murphy
Jump rope or walk briskly… your body really wants to be oxygenated. It’s a confused signal delievered by years of associating smoke with breathing fresh air.
Even if you do jumping jacks for three minutes… the craving will leave you.
zephyr 08.28.09 at 11:17 pm
From my experience….you may have cravings all your life…that’s why I still do the gum!
Juliette 08.28.09 at 11:18 pm
I can’t remember Dances,
or perhaps you never mentioned. Who did you vote for in the presidential election?
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:19 pm
#157
I literally just lol’ed
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:19 pm
Juliette
I cast my protest vote for McCain…
BillieJo 08.28.09 at 11:21 pm
Juliette
BillieJo
Will the republicans forse my young nieces and nephews into Universal National Service?
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No one should let their children join up with the brown shirts army of the Jackass. NO ONE!
Did you forget that I don’t support Baracko?
Seems as though you only think a person has the choice of being a Repub or an obot.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:21 pm
zephyr 08.28.09 at 11:16 pm
So Dances, what party do you think I’m in?
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I haven’t thought about it. You haven’t been commenting for a while, nor do I know you in real life. The only thing I know about you, aside from the nico gum thing, is you are a Gemini, and remember that from one evening many months ago we we all got of into astrology and goofing around with it.
CJK 08.28.09 at 11:22 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:19 pm
Sorry, but just had to say this, I seem to recall, Dances, that on another thread, you admitted having voted for Obama. What is the truth? Did you vote fo Obama? Or did you cast a protest vote for McCain?
invalidresponse 08.28.09 at 11:22 pm
Are you fricken kidding me????? Is anyone actually reading what the woman is saying here or just rushing to make their next point???? geeeezzzzzz
ie. zephyr 08.28.09 at 11:16 pm
Juliette 08.28.09 at 11:18 pm
……insert eyeroll here……
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:22 pm
Now with Hope…
I keep having this deep lingering thought that she is KarenWI using an alias.
BillieJo 08.28.09 at 11:23 pm
Murphy, go get yourself some nicotine gum!
It tastes a little funky at first, but it sure does the trick.
Doesn’t cause cancer and is much easier to stop doing, but then again, I enjoy it when I need a fix.
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 11:24 pm
Who is KarenWI? I’m in Illinois.
Juliette 08.28.09 at 11:24 pm
Murphy
I am going to distract you from that cigarette craving by bringing up the topic of Employee Free Trade Act.
I am interested in your point of view. I have to tell you I am dead against it and really fear that is passing into law will result in a extremely powerful army of paid Obama supporters.
What are your thoughts?
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:25 pm
CJK 08.28.09 at 11:22 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:19 pm
Sorry, but just had to say this, I seem to recall, Dances, that on another thread, you admitted having voted for Obama. What is the truth? Did you vote fo Obama? Or did you cast a protest vote for McCain?
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Someone, who knows me, emailed and said I made a typo. I typed that I “did” vote for obama, when it should have read I “didn’t” vote for obama.
goofsmom 08.28.09 at 11:25 pm
Dances,
#172 – Nah… I think it’s Luckyseven…
CJK 08.28.09 at 11:26 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:25 pm
Hmmmmmmm….
invalidresponse 08.28.09 at 11:26 pm
CJK 08.28.09 at 11:22 pm
I find it hard to believe that you truly don’t know the answer to that question
Juliette 08.28.09 at 11:27 pm
Dances #167
Yes. So did I. So I guess we both to that extent supported the republican party, no?
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 11:27 pm
Now, that being said, I said my “two cents” and need to go to bed. I, also, need to go to work tomorrow unfortunately. Goodnight all.
murphy 08.28.09 at 11:27 pm
Don’t anyone be mean to Dances you guys or I’ll be really mad.
Dont forget what she’s doing — QUITTING SMOKING — may be the MOST important thing she does in her whole life. the last few comments seemed like ganging up and I hate hate hate ganging up.
Juliette 08.28.09 at 11:27 pm
Goodnight HopePuma
murphy 08.28.09 at 11:28 pm
she shouldnt have to fight two or more arguments at the same time.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:29 pm
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 11:24 pm
Who is KarenWI? I’m in Illinois.
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Don’t give it a thought…
I’m the person who spent an hour or more shopping for chopsticks and bought a table runner made of rocks.
invalidresponse 08.28.09 at 11:29 pm
ok, murphy.. Dances is quitting smoking…..what the fuck is their excuses????
murphy 08.28.09 at 11:30 pm
shucks Juliette — i do not know. I have to learn more. thanks for the question. I am in general a knee-jerk supporter of labor unions.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:30 pm
murphy 08.28.09 at 11:27 pm
Don’t anyone be mean to Dances you guys or I’ll be really mad.
Dont forget what she’s doing — QUITTING SMOKING — may be the MOST important thing she does in her whole life. the last few comments seemed like ganging up and I hate hate hate ganging up.
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Thanks, Murphy, but really, it’s fine. I’ve done my share of ganging and mean comments… let it roll.
while you do jumping jacks.
CJK 08.28.09 at 11:30 pm
The paranoia about potential trolls (obots? rightwing wackadoodles? widdershin shills?) is absolutely overwhelming and stifling. Does anyone actually bother to read any individual human being’s comments anymore, or simply post response comments in ‘knee-jerk reaction mode’? Geesh. To think I actually foolishly believed at one time that this blog could be my ‘home.’ Futile. Utterly fucking futile.
murphy 08.28.09 at 11:31 pm
an EXCELLENT question invalid!
{{{{invalid}}}}
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:32 pm
Juliette 08.28.09 at 11:27 pm
Dances #167
Yes. So did I. So I guess we both to that extent supported the republican party, no?
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1. No. They lost.
2. It was a onece in a lifetime protest vote, not meant to be supportive at all. Meant to be non-supportive of obama inc.
Juliette 08.28.09 at 11:32 pm
Murphy
I spell atrociously on purpose.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:33 pm
DG 158
Okay. I’ll quit having children.
Good idea.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:33 pm
Yeah, Murphy, I think it is a concerted effort to get her back on the nic…
where is the can opener? gotta can o’ whoop-ass to open
murphy 08.28.09 at 11:34 pm
oh shush CJK. it’s still your home. take a break — come back or not — that’s what a real home is. we dont need you but we’re so happy when you’re here.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:34 pm
Dances, I cannot imagine such a thing, you little old lady in a shoe person type!!!
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:35 pm
invalidresponse 08.28.09 at 11:35 pm
I’ll sign up too DG… no kids for me!!
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:36 pm
CJK 08.28.09 at 11:22 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:19 pm
Sorry, but just had to say this, I seem to recall, Dances, that on another thread, you admitted having voted for Obama. What is the truth? Did you vote fo Obama? Or did you cast a protest vote for McCain?
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I did not vote for obama. I cast a protest vote for McCain,
but, I could be lying.
Juliette 08.28.09 at 11:36 pm
If I vote for republicans in the 2010 election it will be in non support of Obama Inc. It will be supporting the republicans whether or not they win just as supporting McCain Palin 2008 was supporting the republican ticket even if they lost.
goofsmom 08.28.09 at 11:36 pm
(((((Murphy and invalid)))))
Thank you for saying what I wanted… but didn’t want to prolong the discussion…
After as long as you all have been on the blog, me included, the fact that Dances voted any particular way in 2008 does not make her any differnt that who she is… you all are so interested in smackdown that you lost the battle, with your own final points… now pat yourselves on the back and feel proud of yourselves but you didn’t win with me.
grrrrrrr…..
zephyr 08.28.09 at 11:36 pm
Have voted for democratic candidates for the last 42 years of elections until the last one…voted McCain as protest vote. Never was a party member….so probably don’t feel as disenfranchised as some. Consider myself an independent now.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:38 pm
so we have THREE former little old lady that lived in the shoe types. We need more volunteers!
we also have to recruit some male house mouses… if they want us to carry their Q for what seems like eons at a time, then they must be willing to stay home and care for them. Face up to their responsibility as their Mather
goofsmom 08.28.09 at 11:40 pm
Deadgirl,
I’m signing up for the no kids also…
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:42 pm
yowza!!! this is really a growing movement. A little like Ellen Jamesiens!!!
goofsmom 08.28.09 at 11:43 pm
DeadGirl,
LOL….
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:45 pm
zephyr,
given the lack of optons… independant may be the only way to go.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:46 pm
…carry their Q for …
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damn! I used to love the Q in this font until TT and DG ruined it for me.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:47 pm
hey… while checking on the latest intertube linkage on Garp and the E.J.’s I found an interesting enough essay… check it out I find the topic interesting, and the handling of it unique
http://www.engl.duq.edu/servus/Order_and_Disorder/lorenson.html
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:48 pm
Quick Dances, you run and find the bug spray and I will get the bleach!!!
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:50 pm
or maybe a source of heat works best…
QQQQQQQQQQQQQJuliette 08.28.09 at 11:52 pm
BillieJo #167
No one should let their children join up with the brown shirt army of the Jack ASS.
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I agree BillieJo. But how on do you suggest I stop Obama, Emanuel, Pelosi and the others from coming for my nieces and nephews. Obama has said he wants mandatory national service.
No way am I going to let that happen, even if it means voting for more republicans.
And yes BillieJo in KNOW you didn’t vote for O’Burka and that not all democrats are Obots.
HopePuma 08.28.09 at 11:52 pm
Sorry… just went and got ready for bed. If it makes Dances feel any better, my Yahoo ID is [redacted for confidentiality purposes. dwp] and XXXXXXX is my last name. I live in Chicago Illinois. I have no idea who she was thinking I was, but anybody can find me in the Yahoo ID’s. Now, I really DO need to get to bed. 5a.m. is going to come pretty early. Goodnight for real now, LOL.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:53 pm
Good Night Hope!
invalidresponse 08.28.09 at 11:54 pm
bleach, bug spray, heat source,,,, can’t help ya…this is ONE topic thankfully totally out of my realm of expertise
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:55 pm
PS
Dances, that on another thread, you admitted having voted for Obama. What is the truth?
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I didnt “admit” anything. I TYPOED.
CJK 08.28.09 at 11:58 pm
goofsmom 08.28.09 at 11:36 pm
Goofs, just so YOU know, I don’t care how Dances voted last year. It doesn’t matter to me at all. By asking the question, I was trying to show the problem with placing too much emphasis on political party labels, and not enough on the individual and her/his wonderful contributions/potential contributions. I will, however, accept your disdain of me, if that is what you choose. You and michelina have email. Thanks for all you do.
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:58 pm
hhhhmmm, people asleep at the wheel, if they were not aware that
Dances is an Obot Infiltratorall along… sheez.how do people remember this stuff anyway? If you ask me what I read or wrote an hour ago, can’t tell ya to save my life, even if you waterboard me and threaten my junk with a snapping malicious police dog.
DancesWithPumas 08.28.09 at 11:58 pm
Goodnight Hope
Juliette 08.29.09 at 12:02 am
Murphy #187
Employee Free Trade Act will be a major issue in who wins the 2010 race for US Senate in Pennsylvania. Arlen Spector is against it but will most likely bow to pressure by the dems to support it. I am with George McGovern on this one, and believe in the secret ballot.
Hey, where has Henri been? He would probably have an oppinion on this.
invalidresponse 08.29.09 at 12:07 am
ok, yes the gig is up you have nailed them….
Murphy is a republican and Dances is an obot
they formed this perfect union because they had nothing better to do, and they love to watch other people yell and scream their talking points at each other. In forming this perfect union they, quite by accident, developed this “hotel California” effect that forces people, completely unhappy being here, to return time after time after time to fight the same battles and repeat the same arguments hoping one day that EVERYONE will see things their way and and declare them the winner, and from that day forth they will live their lives exactly how the winner see fit for them to…… /snark
DancesWithPumas 08.29.09 at 12:08 am
DeadGirl 08.28.09 at 11:58 pm
hhhhmmm, people asleep at the wheel, if they were not aware that Dances is an Obot Infiltrator all along… sheez.
how do people remember this stuff anyway? If you ask me what I read or wrote an hour ago, can’t tell ya to save my life, even if you waterboard me and threaten my junk with a snapping malicious police dog.
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I wouldnt have realized my typo (pr freudian slip, or true identity slip up), if someone hadn’t emailed and brought it to my attention.
DancesWithPumas 08.29.09 at 12:09 am
221
Those are a few of my favorite things…
invalidresponse 08.29.09 at 12:10 am
Juliette 08.29.09 at 12:14 am
CJK
I hear ya. You have the right to join any party you wish to and you will always represent Pumapower to me. From now on voting will be a strategy for me. No party will have my support unconditionally. Voting in a republican primary actually makes more sense to me as long as they do not adopt the democrat’s idea of having far too many caucus states.
Voting in a democratic primary is an exercise in futility. The DNC decides who we get.
DeadGirl 08.29.09 at 12:17 am
That’s SOME major snarkitude you got there IR!!!
But yeah, Dances and Murphy are paid 30% of the RNC fundraising for their efforts. And THAT remark, I guaranty will be the headline at the StupidAssholes and their RumpHoles sites, in the morning.
BillieJo 08.29.09 at 12:28 am
Juliette
I agree BillieJo. But how on do you suggest I stop Obama, Emanuel, Pelosi and the others from coming for my nieces and nephews. Obama has said he wants mandatory national service.
No way am I going to let that happen, even if it means voting for more republicans.
And yes BillieJo in KNOW you didn’t vote for O’Burka and that not all democrats are Obots.
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I’m not gonna tell ya how to vote, and if you think the only way you can stop Obama is to support the Repubs then that’s your thing, not mine.
I don’t see becoming a Republican as an answer to my problems with Obama. I honestly believe that the Jackass is running the train off the tracks and that at some point, the good Dems will win out.
If not, if corruption is the only thing any party will represent, then I will join the CherryPicking Party. Only vote for people I think have supported my beliefs over a long period of time. There aren’t any Repubs that fit that bill.
DancesWithPumas 08.29.09 at 12:29 am
225
Vote GREEN
invalidresponse 08.29.09 at 12:34 am
‘night sister Pumas….may tomorrow be another day…
waterpanther 08.29.09 at 12:42 am
Buenas noches a todas las pumas. . ..
And let’s remember, at the end of the day, one of the founding principles of all civilization:
Forgive us our typos as we forgive those who typo against us.
Amen.
Juliette 08.29.09 at 12:42 am
Thanks for your responce BillieJo.
DeadGirl 08.29.09 at 12:45 am
WP awesome end to the bloggerz prayer!!!???
Juliette 08.29.09 at 12:46 am
responce=response
Hope I caught that before Murphy read it.
DancesWithPumas 08.29.09 at 12:51 am
Juliette 08.29.09 at 12:46 am
responce=response
Hope I caught that before Murphy read it.
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LOL!
CJK 08.29.09 at 12:51 am
Juliette 08.29.09 at 12:46 am
Yay, Juliette! I love ya, typos, atrocious spelling and all! Thanks for all the time and care you take in doing your own, independent research and critical thinking on so many issues, candidates, etc. THAT, IMO, is what real PUMA power is all about. Hang in there. I’ll be cheering you on from the sidelines! Ya got guts kid!
DancesWithPumas 08.29.09 at 12:51 am
‘night, Pumas
Juliette 08.29.09 at 12:53 am
Just wondering.
As some have mentioned Romney just might be the Republican nominee in 2012. Well what if a PA democrat switched parties to be able to vote against Romney in the republican primary.
I know a couple of PA democrats who switched to the democratic party to make sure McCain was the republican nominee. I totally understood his strategy.
The thought of a choice between Obama and Romney in 2012 is just sad. I would vote for Ralph Nader again like I did in 2000.
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 12:53 am
CJK,
I don’t hold you in disdain or any negative emotion… Labels are horrible things even when we use them on ourselves, by reading them into things that are not said.
We all agree both parties are bad and corrupt. The whole point is to choose wisely and more women…
prplvette85 08.29.09 at 12:54 am
normapapuma 08.28.09 at 9:53 pm
OK Purplevette-You got me!
Confirmation number: 3WE496620D140800J.
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Thanks normapapuma!
I am back from my walk, havent smoked, almost drank, didn’t crying…going to bed.
Lots of people talking smack here tonight…how about some donations?
I am too tired, and angry and pissy right now from not smoking and my dog being sick. no energy… nite all
Juliette 08.29.09 at 12:54 am
correction
switched to the republican party to make sure…..
prplvette85 08.29.09 at 12:56 am
p.s. as Murphy always says..”be wonderful to each other”
and help keep the lights on!
ciao
Juliette 08.29.09 at 12:59 am
Love ya too CJK.
Hope you will soon be cheering me on from right here where you belong. You have done so much meaningful work here at Puma.
Take a break if you need it but know I will miss your honesty and dedication to keeping our elected officials in check.
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 1:00 am
prplvete,
Nighty-night… try to get some rest… lighting a candle for your puppy… xoxoxo
Juliette 08.29.09 at 1:03 am
Goodnigth Dances
Just one more to make you LOL.
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 1:05 am
Nighty-night Dances, sweet dreams…
BillieJo 08.29.09 at 1:06 am
a choice between Obama and Romney in 2012 is just sad.
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If those are the choices I will throw up.
I don’t think the Repubs are stupid enough to have Romney as their choice.
Is that the best America can put forth?
Hell no, we have to make sure it’s HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BillieJo 08.29.09 at 1:07 am
Night PUMAs.
CJK 08.29.09 at 1:10 am
prplvette85 08.29.09 at 12:56 am
prplvette, I just want to say I’m so sorry about your dog. I had a black lab for 16 years, and he was diagnosed with bone cancer 18 months before we finally had to say good bye. We were constant companions and had a blast during that time, even though he underwent surgery and chemo (CSU Vet Hospital in Ft. Collins, CO, is wonderful). He remained the same happy, tail-wagging puppy throughout that time that he had always been. He was my best friend and always will be. I offer my thoughts, prayers and good vibes to you and your puppy friend. ‘Night.
Juliette 08.29.09 at 1:10 am
Are you still there goofsmom?
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 1:13 am
Juliette,
Yep, Hiya…
Juliette 08.29.09 at 1:21 am
Hey goofs
I hope you didn’t think I was trying to be a wise ass with Dances. I was just trying to explain my thinking by pointing out the fact that many of us here have supported the republican party with our vote in the last election. As for principles, I don’t think either party has mush of them.
Another thing I think many of us don’t consider is that different states have different rules as to voting in the primary. In Pennsylvania for instance you can only vote in the primary for the party you are register as, not sure yet how it works for Independents. Come the general election of course you can always vote for whom ever you choose. I really think that Obama will be the democratic nominee in 2012. If so I will absolutely register as a republican to help nominate their most central candidate.
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 1:22 am
I’m not sure when my technical issues will set in… so I will be on blog as I can… then once the technical starts, I’ll be off maybe a week or two… don’t know for sure yet…
Juliette 08.29.09 at 1:23 am
has mush of them
Come on Murphy, do you really want me to use spell check?
Juliette 08.29.09 at 1:29 am
BillieJo
That is why I tried with others to get Hillary to stay in the Senate. I don’t know BillieJo. I don’t think it has ever been done before, as least as long as I can remember. That is a member of the presidents administration running against him after his first term. Correct me if I’m wrong.
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 1:31 am
Juliette,
I understand that line of thinking… just some thoughts here… If the Reps take alot of seats in 2010, I will bet my 1st born that they will not place a moderate or more liberal republican (h/t Cinie) anywhere near a ballot for people to vote in the primary’s to run.
We must stand our ground against the dems but I personally don’t think the reps will be any good choice or replacement…
JMHO though…
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 1:35 am
Juliette,
If the reps win a number a seats in 2010… I don’t think that there is a snowball’s chance in heck that the reps will run a more central/moderate or a more liberal republican (h/t cinie) in 2012. They will use their gains to catapult another version of Bush/Obie to the seat of power and continue corportism and corruption. Why, because we have not stood up and stopped it… JMHO.
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 1:37 am
LOL… guess that a big typo…
Juliette 08.29.09 at 1:39 am
Yes I understand that Goofsmom. And that is why I think it is so unfortunate that McCain did not beat Obama. But if many disenfranchised democrats registered as republicans we could get another moderate nominated in the primary. I am speaking of course under the assumption that Obama will be the 2012 democratic candidate. I just can’t be a party to this growing political machine that Obama and George Soros have set up through ACORN, Act For America, Americorp and all the other thug orginizations. If I were still young and voting my heart I would support Nader until he stops running. I guess I am jaded but it’s all about stategy from now on.
Juliette 08.29.09 at 1:42 am
I love typos Goofs. But lets not forget who is the queen of typos.
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 1:49 am
Juliette,
The reps. will not give a moderate a chance in the primaries next time… you think the dems were bad in this last election… the rep. corporate machine will eat its own to not have a moderate named in a primary…
Juliette 08.29.09 at 1:59 am
God, then we are screwed. I said this to many of my friends who supported Obama. That this was maybe the only chance we would get at having a moderate head the republican party and that an Obama presidency would lead to more political bipolar swings i.e. a far right president in 2012.
Of course I no longer see Obama as left or right, just a big old whore to G.E., Goldman Sacks, big Pharma and the rest.
Juliette 08.29.09 at 2:03 am
Well Goofs
Its getting late even for me. I guess we are not going to solve this problem tonight. Lets pray that 2012 is not a contest between the two sons of a polygamist. Oh Please God!
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 2:06 am
Juliette,
The far right president won’t be any different… same as “O”…
We are not screwed as long as we don’t let them continue to play their bipolar games…
We can’t give up or give in… We must be resolute… Vote in more indy’s, more women and make the madness stop… If not now when…
Juliette 08.29.09 at 2:24 am
I’m working hard every day Goofs, to make the madness stop. My Democratic elected officials in PA are not listening, just voting Obama’s will. I had hopes for my democratic Congresswoman Alyson Scwartz but she has proven to be an Obama sychophant, and will vote with him on every issue. I guess she knows she can count on Acorn and Jerry Jackson (Black Panther) types with night sticks at the polling centers to give her her next victory even if her constiuents want to show her the door.
It’s a sad situation Goofs but I am not giving up, thats why I’m still here in Puma land.
Juliette 08.29.09 at 2:33 am
Got to go Goofs if you are still there.
Thanks for being a diplomatic Puma. I really appreciate that and always enjoy discussing the tough issues with you.
Goodnight.
goofsmom 08.29.09 at 3:48 am
Juliette,
Sorry I missed your las message… you are welcome. I enjoy discussing issues with you too…
Nighty-night…
HP Boston 08.29.09 at 1:20 pm
Juliette 08.29.09 at 12:54 am
correction
switched to the republican party to make sure…..
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Republican my ass…SWITCH TO INDEPENDENT!!!!!!
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