Raise Your Hands

here’s a link I posted last night — it’s funny

http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf

Repost:
HP Boston 08.11.09 at 12:39 pm

no one can do ANYTHING alone. (((MURPHY)))

Oh my goddess I was just thinking that all morning…some family dynamic here!

We did go to different schools together!

HOME VISITATION PROGRAMS FOR FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND FAMILIES EXPECTING CHILDREN – Sections 1904 and 440

I read an article about these sections, but they neglected to say that the program is voluntary. I am not sure if it is voluntary on the part of the families or on the part of the states to participate in this program, but I think it is voluntary on both.

Section 1904
http://www.amchp.org/Advocacy/Home-Visitation/Documents/Home%20visiting%20language%20House%20Tri-Comm%20Bill%20%20%207%2015.pdf

The bill offers funding to states to send government officials into private homes to teach moms and dads how to rear children according to state-approved criteria developed by “experts” and covering every imaginable aspect of parenting.

Home visits by state officials are, among other things, supposed to promote “activities designed to help parents become full partners in the education of their children.” (H. R. 3200, page 844)

The ultimate goal of the bill is for states to reach “as many families with young children and families expecting children as practicable…” (page 842), but the most vulnerable would be targeted first – low income families, non-English-speaking families.
(prejudicial stereotyping and generalization of low-income families and non-English speaking families?)

Once trapped in a system of government “help” and surveillance (required under the bill in order to monitor the effectiveness of the program), it would be very hard for families to break free, both psychologically and literally.

This section would provide a well-trained and competent staff to help parents with:
knowledge of realistic expectations of age-appropriate child behaviors;
knowledge of health and wellness issues for children and parents;
modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices; and
skills to recognize and seek help for issues related to health, developmental delays, and social, emotional, and behavioral skills…”

Within five years after the date of enactment of the section the Secretary shall submit to the Congress a final report on the evaluation conducted on this program. Then, maybe, Congress will mandate it for all families?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfoGCYFRQlM
Dingell compares town hall mobs to the KKK
Video: Dingell says town-hall protests remind him of the Klanposted at 11:36 am on August 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Share on Facebook | printer-friendly Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Steny Hoyer have called the constituents speaking out against ObamaCare at town halls “un-American,” and that didn’t slow them down. Will calling them “racists” do it? MS-NBC’s Ed Schultz tosses a softball to Rep. John Dingell (D-MI), last seen being flummoxed by his own constituents last week. At the time, Dingell dismissed his critics as “infiltrators.” Today, they’re the equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan (via The Weekly Standard):

Akk… watching O’liar… damn… turning on closed captioning can’t stand it…

So, from what I’m seeing from the Obama fest, this is going to be yet another speech, not a townhall. He came out like a rock star running along the line shaking hands of the prescreened group of ‘citizens’ sitting behind him. They are applauding everything he says.

What a fuckin’ POS – is this health care reform or insurance reform – he needs to get his fuckin’ stories straight & tell me this place is not an obot packed hall……………
tired of hearing about his mother – crock of shit –
can we impeach him now???? he’s still doing his fuckin’ campaign shit – BTW – there is no bill in the senate so what the hell is he campaigning for? to hear himself speak????

Jeepers he is really outdoing himself this time with the schmoooze… Will he do question and answer or not….. let’s see where his cajones are, with him or in MO’s purse!!!

Q. staged from state rep of dover… why are repbulicans so nasty and not letting us get bill passed…

Yep, that was the 1st question… shows ya how this townhall is going to go…

Ok I was distracted. What was the point he was making about the cost of Medicare and the fear that it will go away?

He completely missed the question the man had on the fact that govt. Medicaid acts the same as private insurance controls by telling him he could not have the drug he had been taking. Obama went off on a tangent about generic drugs.

Obama denying that he supported single payor plan. I heard Linda Douglas (from the fishy site) say also this morning that Obama NEVER said he supported singkle payor.

BigCatLover – guess this means that the video of him saying he wants is is a fraud huh?????? Was it his standin???

According to Linda Douglas, he mentioned it during the campaign, but never ever said he wanted it. Duh.

Universal Plan from a Republican – do you support a Universal Plan or are you open to the Insurance companies being involved. A single- payer plan like they have in Canada – government pays for the plan like Medicare for all. He says he is not for a single-payer plan (he is not telling the truth if I recall correctly and certainly that is not how HR3200 is set up – see his 2003 speech – must go back and check) -he wants everybody to get affordable health care from Insurance companies – if I hear one more time that you can keep the plan you like I will go postal – he wants public option in the menu.

How can a private company compete against the government plan – if public option not paid for by Taxes (important) then private insurance companies should do just fine. Important that this plan should NOT be supported by taxes – must be self-sustaining.

These questions are SO planted….

I was just going to ask if someone has that video from 2003 – I hope that’s what you ahve Puma-SF!

why are republicans so mean??
wHAT? Is he taking questions from kindergarteners??

Wow, the insurance comapanies are going to add subsidiaries to the kitty and then savings, and then there is a little left over that will need new sources to pay for it. Incomes over $250,000 will have the deductions limited on income tax and that will pay for it? That was Obamas preferred was to pay fo rhc, but Congress has other ideas so it is still up in the air. It’s not his fault if this payment plan is not passed.

((((Mama))))

Yep, Fox got tired of the bloviating… Had to switch to CNN…

Silly thought for the day: When is somebody going to ask BO the following question — It is unprecedented in our lifetimes for a POTUS to push so relentlessly for any piece of legislation. This raises the obvious question, what is your real reason for pushing so hard — to the point of asking neighbors to report neighbors to a WH website for speaking out in opposition to HR3200 — for this particular piece of legislation? You’ve risked violating every American citizen’s First Amendment rights. What do you stand to gain/lose from the passage/failure of HR3200?

He wants to make sure that people don’t think these questions are planted by taking a couple questions from those who have serious concerns…….yeah…

Where are the doctors and nurses going to come from to cover all these people? $500 billion in savings to come from Medicare (ME – but we are going to cover MORE people in Medicare and Fraud apparently accounts for only 1% of Medicare costs). Concerned about a board sitting and making judgements about withholding care. She is asking too many questions – he will cherry pick.

BO- Constant nurse shortage – severe primary care physician shortage – they are not paid as much as specialists. Better equity of pay among surgeons, other specialists and primary care physicians (ME – this is a GOOD idea but lots of his ideas sound good but that’s not in the Bill)

BO – Congress and government workers are huge pool – have tremendous leverage – drive down costs from Insurance companies – negotiated for coverage for pre-existing conditions etc.

RemNov
Then why doesn’t he inlcude them in a pool for a public option?

Yep ((goofs)) that’s the problem – what he says is not what the bill is designed to do. Thanks for the BUSTED video Puma-SF. Can someone save that – I don’t have the software to do that. Thanks

One more comment and I’ll shut up. Those of you who turned it off too early missed him pick up a little girl from the audience and hold her. The audience went ‘ahhh’.

BCL – EXCELLENT point about including government employees and CONGRESS in the pool for a public option. However, their answer is that BO says if they like their plan they can keep it. Do you think they would ever raise the public option to the level of Congress’ coverage? That’s how it should be.
Sorry missed the poiunt myself about insurance company subsidies – was arguing with my husband about pay equity for physicians – he is right that is socialism – but I think PCPs should still have incentives to practice. BTW I seem to remember in the bill there was going to be a greater use of physician’s assistants and nurse care practitioners – so it might take a few steps before we get to see a physician.

Puma-SF – yes poifect! Thanks. Can you keep a copy? – I don’t have the software.

I missed the little girl……

I guess my response to President Obama: Read the bill

Oh this is Hillsboro, Mo. The one sheila7 is at.

McCaskill pledging to not vote for a bill that pays for abortion. Will this come back to haunt her as a dem, or is it worded in a way she can deny it later.

DWP
He chatted with her and the adults around her for a while before he picked her up, so I would have to say it looked like he asked first.

RemNov
The crowd is huge and the camera is on their backs so can’t really see shirts.

#61
It also teaches children that they own their bodies and have a choice as to what others van and cannot do with them without their permission.

Sorry, sitting next to stack of tires … Waiting for mine to be changed. Typing on my iPhone

Susie1945 – I’m trying to control my own blood pressure – have just had my husband ranting and raving – and then I read you – I am worried about both of you…. take care. From your name I am guessing we are in the same age bracket and I am not sure there will be any coverage for us….

You know I am joking – actually it is probably better to let it all out…

Here’s a link (H/T to webfoot!) re the Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) program. I believe Congress and POTUS are included under this plan. http://www.opm.gov/insure/

Apparently, during open enrollment, federal employees can pick and choose from among private health plans. They pay about 25 percent; the government (you and me via tax dollars) pay about 75 percent.
Why can’t that program just be extended to be available to all of us at the 25 percent rate the federal employees are getting???

I never watch BO. Saw some sound bites on tv though. Seems like it was pretty much staged, as usual.

Is anyone else as sick and tired of BO/Axelrove’s slick PR emotional button pushing as I am???!!! Geesh. BO is the ultimate patriarchal chauvinist/sexist/misogynistic pig. What’s next? Will they stage a show of BO helping a frail little old lady across the street as lots of paid onlookers gaze on rapturously??? GMAFB…

BigCatLover 08.11.09 at 2:48 pm

Hey, BCL. Webfoot would know the answer. Are you around today, webfoot? I do believe Congress and POTUS are considered federal employees.

Hey RemVem – don’t worry about me – I’m fine – I just have to rant & rave to someone every once in a while – I used to be able to do that at work but since I’ve retired – I rant here – nobody tells me to shut the fuck up – they either read it or not and pass on to the next comment – works for me………….
I’m 64 and I have no insurance currently – COBRA was too expensive & anything else was just for bad things – nothing cheaper that covered stuff like dentist, glasses, physicals or just doctor visit – like when I screwed up my knee (cost me almost 400 bucks – was told I should have negotiated – hell, I just paid it) – found out that all those years (about 40+) of wearing stillettoes are what have screwed up at least one knee (arthritis) so far – it’s better now that I’ve been doing leg exercises – course – since not working I mostly go barefoot around the apt so that’s probably helping too…………oh well now that bloviator is done – will go have some late lunch…..

BCL/CJK

Looks like one and the same plan?

http://www.heritage.org/research/healthcare/bg1123.cfm

Congress’s Own Health Plan As A Model For Medicaire Reform
by Stuart Butler, Ph.D. and Robert E. Moffit, Ph.D.

…snip…
As Congress begins work on a reconciliation bill to put into place legislation to flesh out the entitlement spending targets of the recent budget agreement, lawmakers are considering ways to reform Medicare. These reforms not only must achieve the short-term budget targets, but also must begin the task of achieving structural reforms that will bring about long-term savings through efficiency while modernizing and improving the program.

An increasing number of lawmakers, among them Senators John Breaux (D-LA), Connie Mack (R-FL), and Ron Wyden (D-OR), have shown an interest in reforming Medicare by introducing key features of the health care system that covers Members of Congress and over 9 million other federal employees and retirees. This program—the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP)—has been attracting a great deal of attention recently, including a day of hearings before the Senate Finance Committee. Using the FEHBP as the foundation for Medicare reform would be compatible with the outline of reform now being prepared by the leadership in both houses of Congress.

Sorry – forgot to snip!!

‘the health care system that covers Members of Congress and over 9 million other federal employees and retirees. This program—the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP)—has been attracting a great deal of attention recently,’

Assume BO is on the same plan PLUS!

((Susie1945))

Yep, I found myself yelling at the tv!…..Good job my dog is hard of hearing else i would upset her! One more year until Medicare? This is why we need real health care reform. Take care…:)

We have a group here in my are called Volunteers in Medicine. It offers help for the uninsured. Not sure if there is a family income limit. You can see if there is one in your area and get details as to how it works – http://www.volunteersinmedicine.org

Okay, BCL, RemVem, and anyone interested in the FEHB. Here’s a link to a pamphlet with the ‘facts’ in pdf format. http://www.opm.gov/retire/pubs/pamphlets/forms/ri75-13.pdf

Apparently, FEHB is available to Congress and POTUS, as I understand it, because it is available to ‘permanent federal employees with a regularly scheduled tour of duty, et al.’ (See first page after Table of Contents.) I’m paraphrasing from notes since I couldn’t copy and paste for some reason: It is the largest emoployer-sponsored group health insurance program in the world, with approx. ’9 million participants, including employees, annuitants and their families as well as some former spouses and former employees. It offers fee-for-service, HMOs and plans offering point of service products.

Go to the link and read all about it. My question remains: Why could this program not be made available to American citizens at the same 25 percent rate as federal employees??? As taxpayers, e’re already footing the bill for the other 75 percent of coverage for federal employees, which apparently (as far as I can tell from the pamphlet) includes Congress and POTUS.

BCL & RemVem – I’ve noticed too – my callusses – wahtever- are gone – no fallen arches (yet) – when my xsister in law from alaska was here – she asked me to set up appointments for pedicures – love them – so toes are painted with bling – too bad nobody sees them unless I go do a little shopping & stuff -

Ridiculous, when you think of all those years squeezing our feet into shoes (probably designed, back then, by men – I may be wrong)……now we are free

Was that ‘footing the bill’ an intended pun CJK?

I can relate to the problems/foot deformities, etc., that result from wearing attractive but unhealthful footwear for years! Reminds me of a line from ‘Mrs. Doubtfire,’ ‘They should kill the bastard who invented high heels.’ And he/she was only wearing oxford-type stacked heels!

RememberNovember 08.11.09 at 3:16 pm

Again, I can relate completely. I don’t know how I will continue to make it. Perhaps this Orwellian government we now have doesn’t really want the ‘boomers’ to make it??? Whatever happened to groups like the Gray Panthers??? Seniors have no organized group to represent us. As has often been noted here, AARP is a tool for the insurance industry, and its stance re HR3200 is beyond hypocritical. Maybe we need a special contingent of senior PUMAs???

Oh shoot! I need to learn how to knit, otherwise my profile will not be complete!

DancesWithPumas 08.11.09 at 3:23 pm

Hey, Dances. Glad your car got new shoes. How the heck did you pick up a nail in the sidewall? Is your vehicle plastered with PUMA bumper stickers? Any chance the nail was vandalism?

Knitting is really easy (unless you want to follow a pattern)– knit one, purl two…I only know how to make slippers or a verrrryyyy long, skinny scarf! Madame Dufarge…

RememberNovember 08.11.09 at 3:12 pm

Ridiculous, when you think of all those years squeezing our feet into shoes (probably designed, back then, by men – I may be wrong)……now we are free
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That’s why I went on a rant here a couple days ago when they has photos of Susan Boyle posed in the really high heels. Poor lady.

Just checking back before I left and find posts i swear were not there before…hmmmm.

Great idea CJK – how about Gray Pumas or Grey Pumas? Pumas without Shoes?!!! What do you think BCL/Susie1945?

CJK – will check your FEHB over lunch. BBL

Latest Rasmussen report is out:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of those under 30 favor the plan while 56% of those over 65 are opposed. Among senior citizens, 46% are strongly opposed.

Predictably, 69% of Democrats favor the plan, while 79% of Republicans oppose it. Yet while 44% of Democratic voters strongly favor the reform effort, 70% of GOP voters are strongly opposed to it.

Most notable, however, is the opposition among voters not affiliated with either party. Sixty-two percent (62%) of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. This marks an uptick in strong opposition among both Republicans and unaffiliateds, while the number of strongly supportive Democrats is unchanged.

Okay, Dances. We really need a bunch of orange and gray PUMA gear for the new Gray PUMAs. We’ll need a special logo, too.

RememberNovember 08.11.09 at 3:32 pm

Okay, RemVem, looking forward to your report back re FEHB.

I’m lurking too… I’m waiting for Shelia7′s live report from the Mo. Townhall… apparently they removed someone in handcuffs… but this is not a confirmed report…

goofsmom
ooh, is that part on video (removal of the guy in handcuffs).

NikkisMom
Interesting statistics.

Linda Douglass is on CNN talking aobut townhalls. She’s all over the airwaves today. CNN host keeps interrupting her with pointed questions.

Big Cat,

Flipping stations… CNN just showed a couple of “proObama” supporters that were removed (Showed two women)… apparently per CNN they were kicking up a fuss because they were not able to bring in their “proObama” signs… that of course does not make any sense to me as they were already over 1 1/2 hours into the townhall…

FN’s is reporting it as a man… Both MSM’s have video clip…

That’s why I’m saying it’s unconfirmed.

NikkisMom,

Thanks for reminding me Shelia7 will need to drive home to report… my bad…

In his speech today, Obama said he is not on the federal employees plan but with his wife’s plan with the University of Chicago.

And You Thought a Prescription Was Private

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/business/09privacy.html?_r=3&partner=rss&emc=rss

Congress not listening to the people’s objections to health care reform

August 11, 2009 by James Shott
http://news-political.com/2009/08/11/congress-not-listening-to-the-people%e2%80%99s-objections-to-health-care-reform/

O/T sort of… White house and Community organizations on Fatherhood initiatives…. I would like other Pumas to take a moment and read this… I have a tendency to read everything with cynacism and a negative slant these day… especially if our government is involved. Does anyone else see how this initiative could be misused?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111770004&ft=1&f=1003&sc=YahooNews

CJK #133 – don’t let her fool her. Do you recall when the IG guy was fired and Claire stood up to Obama one day, then folded the next? She’s a democrat in a conservative state…and she strongly supports Obama.

We’ll see…the truth will come when she votes! Can’t wait for her 8/25 townhall!

scarlet 08.11.09 at 4:26 pm
Kenneth Gladney Explains Town Hall Brawl
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/11/kenneth_gladney_explains_town
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Can’t watch it right now, will when I get home though.
Meanwhile on the same page, another clip by MSNBC Host: “Socialist” Code for “N-Word”

Gimme a effin’ break already.

NikkisMom 08.11.09 at 4:39 pm

Yep, NikkisMom, I figured McCaskill was just another DINO (Dem in name only) who’s really a BOSO (Barack Obama Sycophantic Operative)!
After the about face she did re the IG Walpin firing, I knew she was not to be trusted…Another DINO to be made extinct in 2010 (if she’s up for re-election then).

(The following is meant as tongue-in-cheek; nothing of a racist nature intended. I’m just really sick of the babble being created by endless labels, sick of the race-baiting gimmick and sick of the BO demagoguery. Apologies in advance if I inadvertently tred on any delicate sensibilities in trying to express my relentless desire for people to think for themselves and stop allowing some ridiculous talking head or group to hand them their opinions to swallow whole! Perhaps DWP said it best, ‘gimme an effin’ break already…’)

LOL, Dances! So, I wonder what ‘un-American’ is now considered a code word for??? If MSNBC now considers the word ‘socialist’ to be code for the ‘n-word,’ does it now consider the word ‘un-American’ to be code for that word, too??? Was Pelosi really calling the people who oppose HR3200 the ‘n-word’ when she said they were ‘un-American’??? How the heck is anyone supposed to remain ideologically pure when it’s just soooo confoooosing these days to try to keep up with the label-mongering-machine going on in MSNBC and DC???

Give ‘em HELL Hillary!!!!!

Good to see you too CJK, who are the Gray PUMAs…(I like the Siver Surfer PUMAs better as a name…

Murphy, you have mail. Tpt/ny is in Cambridge.

This is so effing outrageous.

MSNBC Host: Word “Socialist” Code For The “N-Word”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3dFh8YYd70

DancesWithPumas 08.11.09 at 5:19 pm

Hey, Dances. Thanks for that info. I already knew it, but glad you posted it for those who may not.

.08 cents
The thing I like about “Gray Pumas” is the link to The Gray Panthers and Maggie Kuhn is apparent. I like the continuity and the honoring of this great woman. Plus, it works with the Speak Your Truth t-shirts.
“Silver Pumas” brings up associations with the Golden Girls (who were women, by the way, not “girls”.)

Note: My head of hair is threaded with gray, and I have a patch of white at the front by my hairline. I earned every single strand, and wear them proudly… like combat medals.

148 Puma-SF
Thanks for the link. I couldnt retrieve it from here when I commented on “socialist code for n-word”.
Man, I can’t stop chuckling when I type that… even though it’s pathetic.

Goofs
I spent half of my childhood in a neighborhood of survivors. Tatooed numbers on arms were common. At least half of my friends were children of survivors, which brought with it a whole ‘nother bag of tragedy.

Comparing anyone to Hitler, or anything to rape, raises my cackles immediately.

Citing Hitler and the “6 million people” he killed, on a blog whose front pagers are/were mostly Jews… is mindboggling. Really.

I’m back PUMAS!!!!!

Goofsmom,
It is now confirmed, she was taken out in handcuffs. I was sitting about 7 people down.

I’ve got to get my thoughts together and I will report. Give me a few minutes.

BigCatLover 08.11.09 at 5:43 pm
This is a craw and cacles day for DWP. Get out of her way.
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LOL!
Craw, cackles, and way too much caffeine…

DancesWithPumas 08.11.09 at 5:32 pm

Hey, Dances, I’m with ya all the way there. I do like the sound of ‘Silver PUMAs’ better, but I do really like the continuity of ‘Gray PUMAs.’ What say you PUMAS? (I don’t really have gray hair as yet, but plenty of battle scars and perhaps a smidgeon of wisdom…)

Goofs,
I’m not denying that Jews as an ethnic, cultural, religious group were demonized and targetted… just do not want to dishonor the other FIVE MILLION who also met their eventual deaths at the hands of Hitler.
To over look the 5 million is, in my opinion, on the same level as those who deny there was a holocaust at all.

Shelia 7,

Yea, you are home safe… standing by for the PUMA cub news reporter….

goofsmom 08.11.09 at 5:33 pm
DancesWithPumas 08.11.09 at 5:38 pm

So far, what BO has done/is doing is in no way comparable to what H did in Nazi Germany. But, one cannot help but see frightening similarities in the demagoguery and the use of oratorical skills to incite the mob and gather support for a single-minded (and as-yet still-hidden agenda).

PS
I know the person who sent that unsolicited email had the best of intentions, but, all, in the future, please spare me. If I ever need a shot of fascist backstabbing moderators, I’ll stop over there on my own.

Hey, Dances. Looks like BCL, RemVem, stoney42, CJK, Shadow, DWP are the first members of the Gray PUMAs, correct? Did I miss anybody? We need PUMA gear in orange and gray…

Don’t forget me………………….I’m old enough and gray enough to be a gray PUMA…………….

I want to know who can find me in the “Hands Up” photo above. Obviously I can be a Gray Puma

DancesWithPumas 08.11.09 at 5:54 pm

Wow, Dances, now you have us wondering who sent you the e-mail and where it was from??? You don’t have to tell, but maybe you could give us a hint??? (Today, the question mark is now gaining favor over the exclamation point in my comments. I think maybe the sockpuppets are confused…)

I of course meant to say, “Obviously, I can NOT be a Gray PUMA.”

Listen,if I can stand up with the 12 year old girls above than obviously I am waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy toooooooooooooo young to be a Gray PUMA

CJK,

I see the point you are making… and yes “we the people” should always be alert to tyrants and those looking to be emperors…

As far as BO and social cleansing etc… I’ve seen these comparisons made… It’s not the same and still can not be compared… BO would still only be a Stalin like personality not H, never H.

Besides, at this point we still have some control of government and we are, as a populis relearning the use of our voices… Since our government has not shot us, put us in a prison camp or used us for medical experiments for having our own opinions yet, I can’t compare “O” to Hitler…

sheila7 08.11.09 at 6:15 pm

Great reporting, sheila7! Glad you’re back safe and sound. Were you wearing your PUMA t-shirt? News coverage?

(even extending to decisions by some bureaucrat/insurer, as in HR3200, about their individual personal healthcare, including end-of-life care and perhaps even possible euthanasia/assisted suicide),
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The other possibility is that this is not a ‘final solution’…
but rather the bill saying that it will reimburse doctors for consultations, not more than every 5 years, for people with life threatening illnesses, in order for them to decide on a path forward.

Nothing personal to you, but I am up to here with all the crap every whacko who comes along, feels like posting to this blog, mostly because they get to exploit a larger audience.

Sorry, I’m not going to just swallow all the sky is falling, dr demento, soylent green bullshit anyone feels like spewing.

I think Mama is 4th from the left in the photo. Am I right, Mama?

sheila7
So once again it was the obots that got violent.

BigCatLover,
Yes the only violent ones were the obots. However, there were some loud rightwingers.

sheila7

What did you say… I am soooooooo proud of you!!!!!!

So, as far as me getting called on. When you went in if you wanted to ask a question you wrote it down and then they put them in a fishbowl. So I did.
Well, she pulled someone with the same question before me. A little while later I heard her say my name and I stood up. I told her she already answered my question and she asked if I would like to ask another so I said yes. But, I was taken off guard and couldn’t think of something good to say so my voice was shaking as I thought up a question real quick. plus, it was a very large gym and I had to speak very loudly and I don’t have a loud voice. So, I was somewaht disappointed in myself because all I could think to ask was how this would end up being paid for if there was to be no tax increase on the middle class? Kind of lame.

Nothing wrong with that question at all. What was her answer.

DancesWithPumas 08.11.09 at 6:21 pm

“for people with life threatening illnesses”…
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I read this section of the bill and posted in the ‘good plan or rubbish’ thread. It does not specify that a person has to have a ‘life threatening illness’, in order to qualify for this counseling.

just wanted to make sure we don’t skew what is actually written in the bill.

NBC reporting that Obama skirted the crowd on the strrets in NH and came in a back way to a friendly crowd (admintting it was a prescreened crowd).

oops… are are… should read… and are

Sheila 7,

That was a great question… we need to know how much and who is going to have to pay for this bill… don’t second guess yourself you did great…

sheila7 08.11.09 at 6:28 pm

I think that was a great question and was one of 2 or 3 I was going to ask when I hit the Poplar bluff townhall, just in case one of mine was a duplicate of someone else’s!

How did she respond?

NBC just showed the incident at your meeting sheila7.

Sheila7
If you read upthread when I was live blogging Obama’s townhall, he answered the same question and mentioned that the $250,000 income would have curtailed tax breaks.

Sheila #211 –

I’ve heard that anyone whose health insurance is worth more than $25,000 will be taxed on their “cadillac plans”. Maybe that was it….

BBL – dinner time!

Bring Me a Higher Love

Think about it, there must be higher love
Down in the heart or hidden in the stars above
Without it, life is a wasted time
Look inside your heart, Ill look inside mine
Things look so bad everywhere
In this whole world, what is fair?
We walk blind and we try to see
Falling behind in what could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Wheres that higher love I keep thinking of?

Worlds are turning and were just hanging on
Facing our fear and standing out there alone
A yearning, and its real to me
There must be someone whos feeling for me
Things look so bad everywhere
In this whole world, what is fair?
We walk blind and we try to see
Falling behind in what could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Wheres that higher love I keep thinking of?

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring be a higher love
I could rise above on a higher love

I will wait for it
Im not too late for it
Until then, Ill sing my song
To cheer the night along
Bring it…oh bring it…

I could light the night up with my soul on fire
I could make the sun shine from pure desire
Let me feel that love come over me
Let me feel how strong it could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Wheres that higher love I keep thinking of?

Be back in a bit. My neighbor just came over to ask about what happened.

Dances #188
I am not so sure that you are right about the eggzagerations

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel is the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

http://yedda.com/questions/Family_Member_Dementia_Alzheimers_149538416114885/

“[Health services should not be guaranteed to] individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”

“http://www.conservativepup.com/dr-ezekial-emanuel-putting-seniors-and-infants-last/.htmlhttp://www.conservativepup.com/dr-ezekial-emanuel-putting-seniors-and-infants-last/.html

The paper appearing in The Lancet is titled “Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions” and discusses existing methods for determining who gets priority in allocation of limited and scarce medical resources, such as, who gets an organ, who gets the ICU bed, and who gets a vaccine which may be in limited supply. He discusses why each of these are flawed for various reasons, and then proceeds to present his own alternative system–the complete lives system.

I like the term ‘brown shirts’ and I’m stickin’ with it. Heh.

sheila7 08.11.09 at 6:42 pm
I saw the woman in all black.

MamaPuma 08.11.09 at 6:53 pm

Shadowfax
Golden Child and can we have feather boas and pink tiaras?
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Oh sweet Mama, you can have any color tiara and boa you want, I prefer gold tiara and black boa, please.

I would like to have met the parents of these Emanual boys.

Wow, Don’t Tread On Me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpIZOecBUSc

New England PUMA meet up in Maine
PapaPuma and I are inviting our PUMA friends to join us in Maine on Sunday, 8/16/09 or a potluck meetup. We are thinking 11am – 5pm and it is a spectacular natural vista with ocean and cliff walk. Our place is a modest time share but we can host outside (inside pool is weather is bad).

Murphy, SisterPuma, Zee, Gojoy are already lined up. Write to me at MamaPumaMass@aol.com for all the details. You are genuinely welcome. I can not wait to see everybody.

We really do not have any kitchen facilities (tiny fridge and hot plate for kitchen) but my mother always loved a picnic. Murphy has introduced her to you as Gingy and let me tell you she was a piece of work. She died in 2005 at 101.

The pool is wonderful and the ocean is beyond belief.
Love
Mama

OR

Politcians are Coin Operated

^ask not as sorry was angry typing fingers at work

prplvette85 08.11.09 at 8:18 pm
That was a joke knowing how you feel. Guess I didn’t make that clear in my comment. Whew!

thank you Scarlet. I didn’t think she was talking about the 250,000 but it was hectic in there.

thanks prplvette85! I wish you could have been there too. I am proud. I’m also proud to be a part of such an intelligent group of people. Love you PUMAS.

BigCatLover 08.11.09 at 8:25 pm

prplvette85 08.11.09 at 8:18 pm
That was a joke knowing how you feel. Guess I didn’t make that clear in my comment. Whew!
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sorry BigCat…
i was just venting… I am just so angry at this whole thing..
I have no townhalls to attend.. I feel like a caged Cat
It’s been a while since I felt like I was actually out there being heard, instead of just blogging or writing, emailing etc. This cat needs some real action!

NikkisMom,
I didn’t see any SEIU thugs. In fact I didn’t see any “organized” groups. I take that back, I did see a group that were in pink shirts. I don’t know who they were and to my knowledge they weren’t obnoxious. They were across the gym from me.
There were a LOT of police there. They were directing traffic, K9 unit was there with the dogs out, police checking bags as we went in and I saw at least 7 policemen in the gym. I’m sure that helped cut down on the outbursts.

NikkisMom,
Something Claire said;
One guy asked “How do you expect to keep your job if you vote for this bill? Missourians don’t want this.”
She said, “Well, I’m going to try my best and my hardest but in the end if I have to come home, that’s okay too.”

Oh I forgot something else Claire said.
She said no bill will come out of congress with single payer reform. She said she is against it and every Senator she has spoken to is against it. It will never pass.

MamaPuma

Having read Ezekiel Emanuel’s papers I share your concerns. It’s money (after the H1N1 vaccine) that will be in short supply and That’s when decsisions will have to be made about who gets what care.

How nice of you to host the Maine Pumas – sounds lovely. I am on the other coast but it would be nice to meet you all one day.

Helloooo Sheila7 – must be dinner time and I am of to eat too – see you later

BigCatLover 08.11.09 at 9:37 pm

prplvette85 08.11.09 at 9:23 pm
I didn’t think any of my reps were going to have townhalls either, at aleast I voulcn’t find them. then on the news today they said my newly elected rep was going to hold one but it wouldn’t be on health care. She may get a surprise when she gets there. But, the news did not say when or where she would be, so I’m still looking. That may be true in your area too, especially if your rep is a democrat.
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tomorrow is my day off. I think I will go knock on some Politician doors! see what kind of trouble I can stir up.
Gonna go check the action center and see if we have any anti healthcare posters I can print out…
hint….hint…..

Thud…no water

Hey FLBarbara,
I’m back!

Heads UP!!! take a look… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLDbPRvk8XY&feature=related

Hey, Sheila7…. You courageous Puma…. Thank You for attending, participating and sharing…. Just remember, Never give in or give up…. We are moving forward…. Again, Thank You!!!

Hey Caspie and Sheila7 – now we have a pride of Pumas

RememberNovember…. May I ask You…. does your name have a special meaning…. Besides, my birthday… Well, thank you for that…. I am just joking with you… but, only on the second part of the question….

I always liked your name REmNov. I assumed it meant we will remember in November (election time).. Is that right?

Sheila7,

I’m back… I have a great idea… send your picture to Dances… Then she or Murphy can post it for all the rest of us to see… Attach to an email and put something like uhhh… Shelia7 in her Puma Shirt in the subject line…

actioncenter@pumapac.org

Good evening (((PUMA Pride)))

Caspie

Double meaning for me (no triple – your birthday too ). First for Hillary for the election 2008 and also, being originally a Brit…”Remember remember the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot, I see no reason why gunpowder treason should ever be forgot” (commemorating Guy Fawkes failed attempt to blow up Parliament). Now it has a new meaning – Remember November (2010 and 2012 – we are watching you and we have the power to change your job descriptions)

MamaPuma,

I can definitely make the internet picnic…

Aha! Are you the original one here? I remember someone with your name from early on.

Hi Goofsmom

I think Dances wants photo’s of PUMAs in their shirts.

God it is so damn hot here in NY and parents do not have air.It is in the 90s feels like hell.

My phone is taking along time to load.

FLBarbara…. This ONE is for YOU!!! Hope you enjoy!!! Oh, put your dancing shoes on… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEeYz1m1FI4

FL Barbara,

Yep, I thought Dances wanted the photo’s also… that’s why I suggested it… I’m jumping up and down to see Sheila7…

Juliette,
Thank you, that was sweet.
LOL. I bet Specter is thinking that too.

Casper and FL Barbara,

I was thinking of this when I read FL Barbara “thud”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8__EwAT8VM

Casper Cat
Can’t view on my phone what song is it?

MamaPuma

You are so sweet. Thank you for the invite.

Juliette

Was wondering where you were.

FLBarbara…. Just watch, relax and vision it is cooler…. Well, this should do it…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz2SeEzxMuE Hope this helps…

OH, Sorry… FLBarbara… the song is by Cher… Strong Enough!! Hope you can view it soon… Maybe, put your phone in the freezer for about 15 minutes and it will cool off and you can resume …. Just a thought….

FL Barbara,

Did I say Hi goofs ? You all came back together…

Ha! Sheila7 – I’ve just had my husband go back and forth “quick stop” three times trying to catch you –I’ll check the recording myself tomorrow

Hi RemNov…

You have 1 more reason to remember in Nov. I’m like Casper… hehehe… Scorpio…

Going to close down for the night – I always say that and then often come back – anyway – sweet dreams Pumas, ‘night

Casper I love that song. I put my top down on my car and drive the beach (FL)
Listening to Cher and Tina Turner.
I do not mind the heat outside but
You need to have air inside.but then again many people aren’t as blessed to have such a thing as air conditioning.

Going to take a COLD shower while listening to Cher.
I am strong enough to live without you strong enough. LOL
Good one Casper Cat .

Good night RemNov.
I think I’m going for the night too but like you I often come back.
However, I am one tired PUMA tonight.
Goodnight PUMAS. Thanks for all the nice thoughts. You’re the best!

FLBarbara…. Glad to hear you enjoyed it!!! Oh, Yes Tina and Cher are the Best!!! I just love everything they do…. Have a great/cool shower…. Oh, Pumas NO peaking….

Good Night PUMA PAC
Sweet Dreams

Thanks for the songs
Casper Cat

Okay.. I’m lurking…

Good morning, Goofs and Puma-SF…
just woke up from a 5 hour “nap”…
now I’m gonna be up half the night.

Wow, a five hour nap? You are going to be up all night.

It’s so foggy here I can’t even see one lousy star.

Puma-SF,

Go here they have some pictures up:

http://www.space.com/

You know what they say about the coldest winter. I really appreciate gravity when I look at pictures like that.

Where’s Dances? Do you think she fell back to sleep?

CJK,

Yep, good article from BostonBoomer, and true…

OMG… I just stopped laughing so I could finally post this… Was anyone just watching Animal Planet…

I don’t know who was the genius that came up with this but it was like a real life Far side Cartoon…

It was a show on lions.. They wanted to see how a mini pride of young male lions acted in establishing dominance on who eats first. They had two guys in a polymer/plexiglass box and put some kill out about 5 to 6′ away from the box to observe…

What idiots it was so funny watching these guys were freaking out… the show is still on go see..

Deb 55,

Yep, I’ve been seeing that about too…

Have a good night…

Night Puma-SF,

Sorry about the O/T lions story…

Goofsmom,
Are you still here?

Actually it’s a little before the 1:02 mark. But the whole video is interesting. It turns out this lady is an activist here. Her sign was about Rosa Parks but her friend’s was BO.

Hehehe… I see ya in the video at the 1 min mark… if you pause it right there you are pretty clear… Can’t read your shirt but can see you…

Very cool….

oops posted at same time LOL.

I need to try to get some sleep. I’m exhausted but kind of keyed up from the day I guess.

The clip on Greta’s show did show the guy taking the sign from her and the CNN clip showed everything that happened after…

I would be keyed up too…

lol. posted at the same time again.

Beddy bye time for this Puma too…

Sweet dreams (((((PUMAS)))))

Luckyseven,

I found a different source that has the same story… A Florida news station…

Please remember to shorten the posts to topic, synopsis and link…

This allows everyone to read the story if they choose too..

http://www.wftv.com/news/20349388/detail.html

One tabloid cover clues me in as to the purpose of the townhall propganda
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/tabloid-gets-to-the-purpose-of-the-townhall-propaganda/

sorry …forgot to add goofsmoms link at #324

Go here they have some pictures up:

http://www.space.com/

Thanks Goofsmom!!

sheila7 08.12.09 at 2:58 am

Wow – you were up late! You’re probably sleeping in right now. I see you in the video – the lady in the shorts & white t-shirt is you, right?

Crazy Obots – *sigh*. Overall, it looks like Claire ran a smooth townhall compared to the videos of the other meetings on YouTube. Did you meet any other democrats at the meeting?

I was surprised to see a guy in a suit in the meeting with the hot weather we’ve been having! I saw the video where they told Claire that they didn’t trust her. She truly looked shocked!

Thanks for the report! With your information, I now know that I need to go prepared with 4 or 5 questions.

Sheila7
I just saw a report on fox news about the town hall you attended yesterday, and I could see you close up! I wish I would have recorded it! Could almost read your shirt if I would have had my glasses on lol!
BABY YOUR A STAR!!