It’s WORSE Than We Expected

All those years teaching–I loved it when I could eyeball a student’s average.

MURPHY ,GREAT POST !!!

Here are the names of the BLUE DOG DEMS … I for one am calling my rep and demanding he not vote for the
HEALTH CARE ROBBERY BILL …mine is FRANK KRATOVIL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition

[edit] Members

Map showing districts represented by members of the Blue Dog Coalition.Jason Altmire (PA-4)
Mike Arcuri (NY-24)
Joe Baca (CA-43)
John Barrow (GA-12)
Melissa Bean (IL-8)
Marion Berry (AR-1)
Sanford Bishop (GA-2)
Dan Boren (OK-2)
Leonard Boswell (IA-3)
Allen Boyd (FL-2)
Bobby Bright (AL-2)
Dennis Cardoza (CA-18)
Christopher Carney (PA-10)
Ben Chandler (KY-6)
Travis Childers (MS-1)
Jim Cooper (TN-5)
Jim Costa (CA-20)
Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-3)
Lincoln Davis (TN-4)
Joe Donnelly (IN-2)
Brad Ellsworth (IN-8)
Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8)
Bart Gordon (TN-6)
Parker Griffith (AL-5)
Jane Harman (CA-36)
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD-AL), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Administration
Baron Hill (IN-9), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Policy
Tim Holden (PA-17)
Frank Kratovil (MD-1)
Jim Marshall (GA-8)
Jim Matheson (UT-2)
Mike McIntyre (NC-7)
Charlie Melancon (LA-3), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Communications
Mike Michaud (ME-2)
Walt Minnick (ID-1)
Harry Mitchell (AZ-5)
Dennis Moore (KS-3)
Patrick Murphy (PA-8)
Glenn Nye (VA-2)
Collin Peterson (MN-7)
Earl Pomeroy (ND-AL)
Mike Ross (AR-4)
John Salazar (CO-3)
Loretta Sanchez (CA-47)
Adam Schiff (CA-29)
David Scott (GA-13)
Heath Shuler (NC-11), Blue Dog Whip
Zack Space (OH-18)
John Tanner (TN-8)
Gene Taylor (MS-4)
Mike Thompson (CA-1)
Charlie Wilson (OH-6)

LEGISLATION

HR 3200 – LONG TERM CARE AMENDMENT & MENU LABELING
Around midnight Monday night (7/20/09), the House Energy and Commerce Committee was debating an amendment on long term care. Originally, part of that amendment dealt with something much different.
On Page 65 of the amendment by Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ) you find a new subtitle on “Menu Labeling.”

&
H.R 3200, America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, Day 3

More at 411 on the 111 pumapac forum:
http://pumapac.org/forums/411-on-the-111/comment-page-6/#comment-353775

MURPHY …. I know you have a nice voice .. I would love to hear you record some of your posts… here is a LINK to some awesome FREE professional recording software that you could uase to do so http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

If you decide not to record your posts would you mind if I read them aloud and saved them with all credit to YOU of course??

I like this post, Murphy. SO many links! Thanks. Oblow is such a nightmare–ruining every single thing. It gets worse everyday. Obots should be ashamed–falling for the hype and believing the obvious lies. Easily seduced weak-minded propaganda eaters.

As far as voting for women, I have made up my mind to always vote for the woman first. That’s that.

bbs

Deranged change is more like it.

– Swannie #8 — great idea!!

– Scarlet. Thank you for the info Scarlet. Glad I didn’t have that info as a teen.

–KIYH #10… amen sister!

– RemVem #11. Guess we have to recreate the entire internet by downloading articles, polls, youtubes, other videos, Osleiwiehney’s speeches. I think we’re gonna need a bigger harddrive.

Hizb ut-Tahrir: Spread Islam or Die Trying July 19, 2009

Hizb Ut-Tahrir held its “The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam” conference at a Hilton Hotel in the suburbs of Chicago

During its first open conference held outside Chicago, a speaker identified as Imam Jaleel Abdul Adil encouraged his audience to never stop working to make Allah’s teaching “supreme on this earth.”

Transcript:
“And this is our charge today – we have to keep working until Allah (swt) has allowed us, us today in the United States and around the world, living in this blessed time, that we have the honor of working to establish Allah’s (swt) word supreme on this earth, we have the honor of sharing solutions that no one else has. We have to take advantage of this and be inspired – that if they offer us the sun, or the moon, or a nice raise, or a passport, or a house in the suburbs or even a place to pray at the job – on the condition that we stop calling for Islam as a complete way of life – we should never do that, ever do that unless and until Islam becomes victorious or we die in the attempt.”

See video here:

http://www.investigativeproject.org/1098/hizb-ut-tahrir-spread-islam-or-die-trying

Nikkismom – yes

Dances – doesn’t it make you mad when something is scrubbed? I save a lot but somethings I figure just won’t disappear – but they do

Scarlet – thanks for the e message from BO

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Grandfathered Coverage (you know, the insurance you have, you like, you keep) UNLESS see (2) underlining mine. From HR3200 pages 16 -17

[SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT

COVERAGE.

(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV-
ERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of
this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov-
erage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health
insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance
coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the
first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:

(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT…….
….snip……

(2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR
CONDITIONS.—Subject to paragraph (3) and except
as required by law, the issuer does not change any
of its terms or conditions, including benefits and
cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day be-
fore the first day of Y1.

(3) RESTRICTIONS ON PREMIUM INCREASES.—
The issuer cannot vary the percentage increase in
the premium for a risk group of enrollees in specific
grandfathered health insurance coverage without
changing the premium for all enrollees in the same
risk group at the same rate, as specified by the
Commissioner.

The way I read it – it is totally deceptive to suggest that people (70 percent Americans rated their coverage as good or excellent liked) can keep their insurance – few people are questioning because they have bought into BO’s oft repeated ‘you like it, you keep it’ ‘you like it, you keep it’

very quick drive by since I am sitting in an official office in San Fraincisco — don’t want to get busted.

Has anyone seen this?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=8129947&page=1

I mean come on — I will make the same offer as Murph – $10.00 to name one article blasting men about their appearance.

RememberNovember 07.21.09 at 3:21 pm
Dances – doesn’t it make you mad when something is scrubbed? I save a lot but somethings I figure just won’t disappear – but they do
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Yes, it makes me angry. Especially in light of the fact that they don’t report on anything of any real consequence anyway… when they do… it gets flushed. Interesting that.

NikkisMom 07.21.09 at 3:28 pm
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There are links to health care bill and other legislation that we are interested in on the 411 on the 111 pumapac forum. start at the bottom and go up.

Excellent post, Murphy! BO’s imminent implosion. Perhaps there is hope for this country and all of us who love her, after all!

Because I promised, and in case any PUMAs are interested, below is a draft of a possible letter to send to Reps/Senators calling for a full Congressional hearing/investigation into the Walpin firing. Many thanks to RememberNovember for suggesting some excellent edits. Also, many thanks to all PUMAs who participated in the previous ageism protest, and thanks to webfoot for her outstanding help. I’ve previously posted the response letter I received from the EEOC.

Because the ageism protest letters may have gone to a somewhat limited number of Congressional members, I drafted the letter below in the belief that a more general approach might be in order. I’ll leave it to Murphy and PUMA legal brains to assess/determine.

As has been pointed out in recent threads, Mr. Walpin has filed a lawsuit seeking reinstatement. A good summary at this link: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/AmeriCorps-IG-sues-government-over-unlawful-firing-51094442.html

This comment likely will be my final participation here, though I may lurk from time to time as I’m able. I’ve enjoyed the camaraderie and openness to different perspectives demonstrated by most of those with whom I’ve had the privilege of discussing/sharing. Murphy, thank you for all you have done/continue to do on behalf of/in support of all women. I hope the PUMA (People United Means Action) Political Action Committee (PAC) remains strong and true to its mission, and I wish you well. {{{PUMAs}}}.

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Draft of possible letter

Dear Member of Congress:

I am writing as an American citizen and taxpayer to urge you to demand a full Congressional hearing and investigation into President Obama’s firing of Gerald Walpin, Inspector General of the Corporation for National and Community Service (CNCS/Americorps).

Available facts indicate that Mr. Walpin’s firing was patently unwarranted, illegal and unconstitutional. Mr. Obama and his administration appear to have violated federal laws, regulations and statutes, as well as the U.S. Constitution from which such rules emanate including, but not limited to, some or all of those listed below.*

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, which Mr. Obama signed into law in February, includes $201 million for CNCS to expand AmeriCorps. In diligently striving to ensure accountability and transparency to the American people, prior to his firing, Mr. Walpin had uncovered and documented funds misuse by at least two organizations receiving Amercorps funds, including one founded by a political supporter of Mr. Obama.

Mr. Walpin is rightly fighting back and has been calling for a full Congressional hearing and investigation. Our nation has made great strides in combating various forms of discrimination. We must not allow age-based discrimination and politically motivated reprisal to stand unchallenged, particularly when perpetrated by individuals at the highest levels of government.

If allowed to stand unchallenged, Mr. Walpin’s firing would send a chilling message to some 69 other U.S. Inspectors General whose watchdog activities must remain unfettered, particularly when their work is so vital during these disastrous economic times, when millions of Americans are stretching ever-shrinking paychecks and millions more are without employment. Allowing this despicable act to stand unchallenged would also send a dreadful message to all Americans that their rights are expendable in the face of political corruption and cronyism.

It is your job to serve the best interests of all American citizens whose hard-earned tax dollars fund your salary and benefits. I urge you to honor the trust that American citizens and taxpayers have placed in you as their public servant and immediately demand, and participate in, a full Congressional hearing into the firing of Inspector General Gerald Walpin.

Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely,

*
– the 2008 Inspectors General Reform Act, a law that Mr. Obama co-sponsored as a Senator
– the 1978 Inspectors General Act
– the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
– title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 Section 2000e-3 section 704
– the Civil Rights Act of 1991 as amended
– the Age Discrimination Act of 1975
– Section 188 of the Workforce Investment Act of 1998 (WIA) Title I

Apologies for the duplicate post! Did not intend to click twice. Have a great day, PUMAs!

Nikkismom:

It’s been driving me crazy trying to find a version of HR 3200 for you with the page numbers on but if you go to this link:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

and click on GPO’s PDF Display in the box top left you will leave Thomas’ page and then click on “continue to GPO site” on the right and a PDF copy willbe downloaded to your computer. This version was printed July 14

Also, this is a useful comparison at Kaiser Family Foundation, which I believe is a non partisan organization? It has a PDF downloadable comparisons of plans (updated as of July 17) in middle of page:

http://www.kff.org/healthreform/sidebyside.cfm

Hope that helps

RememberNovember 07.21.09 at 4:25 pm

Thanks, RemVem! I was hoping you’d see the letter, which your suggestions helped to strengthen. Unfortunately, no gainful employment as yet…sigh…I will miss you. Thanks again for your help and for your commitment to open debate/discussion and independent critical thinking. Forgot to post the link to Rep/Senate contact info by states, in case anyone else is interested in sending the letter. Thanks PUMAs!

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

RemNov-#30 -

yes, yes, yes! That helps me a lot!

Thank you!

Committee Rejects Amendment to Ban Fairness Doctrine
July 20, 2009

WASHINGTON: The House Rules Committee has rejected a bill that would have blocked the Federal Communications Commission from reinstating the Fairness Doctrine or enacting proposed localism regulations for the next fiscal year.

Reps. Mike Pence, R- Ind. and Greg Walden, R-Ore. had introduced their Broadcaster Freedom Amendment to the Financial Services Appropriations bill.

Pence said he was “profoundly disappointed.”

Among those reacting to the vote was WorldNetDaily, an organization that has been vocal against what it calls congressional attacks on freedom of speech and press.

Separately, two FCC nominees, Meredith Attwell Baker and Mignon Clyburn, said during their Senate nomination hearing this week that they opposed the re-instatement of the Fairness Doctrine in any form, as did Chairman Julius Genachowski and Commissioner Robert McDowell during their recent nomination hearing. (– From Radio World)

http://www.televisionbroadcast.com/article/84158

Press Release
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 21, 2009 Contact:
Robert Zirkelbach
(202) 778-8493

AHIP Statement on Status of Health Care Reform Process

Washington, D.C. – Karen Ignagni, President and CEO of America’s Health Insurance Plans, issued the following statement today on the status of the health care reform process:

“Now is the time for bipartisan health care reform that makes care more affordable, improves quality, and covers all Americans. Our community has proposed guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions, discontinuing rating based on a person’s health status or gender, and a personal coverage requirement to get everyone into the system. We have proposed far-reaching administrative reforms to slash paperwork, reduce medical errors, and ensure doctors and hospitals can focus on patient care.

“A government-run plan is a roadblock to reform. Policymakers and stakeholders should focus on the unprecedented consensus that exists on bringing everyone into the system, guaranteeing coverage for pre-existing conditions, providing a helping hand for working families, strengthening the health care safety net, and bending the health care cost curve.

“Health plans will continue to advance comprehensive, bipartisan reform that preserves employer-based coverage and ensures those who like their current coverage can keep it.”

Providing Health Benefits for Over 200 Million Americans.
http://www.ahip.org/
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Maybe all their “proposals” are too late.

cerebal = cerebral

Thanks Nikkismom – for links

CJK
I have to run and can’t read this thread now so I don’t know what’s up with you but I will hold my breath until you come back!

Great Post Murphy!!!!!

After the grades you posted we can see why TheGreatandWonderful”O” doesn’t want his school grades released….

I also applaud you on this statement in your post… “How can it be difficult, after considering the historical record of women’s oppression in this country to NOT conclude that the ONLY way to keep our rights as fully-fledged citizens secure is to make damn sure at least SOME women are holding the reins?”

AMEN….

((((Texas Tigress))))
Loved your post last thread… You spoke from your heart and I agree 1000%.

I WON’T VOTE FOR A MAN UNTIL WOMEN ARE EQUAL!!!

(((((((((((((((((((HAPPY BIRTHDAY PERSEPHONE)))))))))))))))))))))

XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX

Whew!!!

Thank you for saying something HP, I was starting to think I scared everyone away….

I’m laughing about this one…. Democrats Irked by Obama signing Statement… Seems they feel upset that “O” is using the same tactics as GWB by adding statements to legistation he signs… Hehehehe… They thought they had elected a Dem…

“O” = GWB III

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jTUXZ57-4A_UnsbDtQDPlUwZlbIQD99J2TQO0

Happy birthday to the brilliant, funny, feisty, and drop dead gorgeous Persephone. A living, breathing, work of art.

Persephone – Have a wonderful birthday and many more.

AARP supports Obamacare. Don’t know why since it seems some health care for seniors will be eliminated.
E-mail for the President of AARP, if you care to express your opinion to her. Her name is: Jennie Chin Hansen.
DearJennie@aarp.org

thanks everyone, for birthday wishes
wow!

It’s been a really nice birthday, despite the torrential downpours.
At HP’s suggestion, we picked up some boiled lobster for dinner.
Made a salad from the garden, chilled a Prosecco-perfect.

Rancho, YOU deserve a medal for all your hard work!

{{{Rancho!}}}

Muslim woman to be flogged for drinking beer in nightclub

Consuming alcohol is a religious offence for Muslims in Malaysia, who make up nearly two-thirds of the population.

An Islamic court in Malaysia has sentenced a Muslim woman to be flogged for having a beer in a nightclub, a court official said today.

It is rare for a woman in Malaysia to be sentenced to caning – a punishment usually reserved for men.

Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno was sentenced yesterday to six lashes and a fine of 5,000 ringgit ($1,400) for consuming alcohol, said a Shariah High Court official who declined to be identified because he was not authorised to make public statements

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1201141/Muslim-woman-flogged-drinking-beer-nightclub.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0LwVVpfLa

Good one, persephone and Happy Birthday. Your dinner sounds marvelous.

Lobbyists Spend Millions to Influence Health Care

By Dan Eggen
Drugmakers, hospitals and insurers continued to pour millions of dollars into lobbying during the second quarter of this year, hoping to limit the damage to their bottom line as lawmakers and the Obama administration wrangle over landmark health-care legislation.

New disclosure reports that began arriving Monday in Congress showed familiar players at the top of the health-care influence heap, including $6.2 million in lobbying by the dominant Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) and $4 million by the American Medical Association.

More at:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/health-care-reform/2009/07/health_care_continues_its_inte.html?hpid=topnews?hpid=topnews

I have health insurance from my husbands Veterans disability, its called ChampVA. And I have absolutely no complaints. Its simple, straightforward, I choose my own doctors, there is no approved list or preferred providers, there is no referral for a specialist, it pays 75% up to an out of pocket yearly deductible of $3000 for the whole family, and then everything else is for the remainder of the year after that is covered at 100%. There is no lifetime limit, and it includes prescription benefits. Most times I pay only a buck for my prescriptions and if I use the meds by mail program it costs me nothing. If the healthcare reforms were modeled after ChampVA, we’d be pretty blessed, although I am sure someone somewhere would think the out of pocket per year was too high. You’re never going to please everyone I don’t care what they pass. What I do know, is my son who is a cancer survivor at 26 will never be able to get insurance coverage without a 2 year pre existing conditions clause, and what exactly is he supposed to do for those 2 years?

Stoney 48 and Perserphone:

Why is AARP supporting fraud Obama’s Healthcare plan..because the underwriter of the AARP health insurance plans that AARP sells and from which they receive many millions of dollars from older Americans….the underwriter…United Health Care Insurance and their subsidiaries…supports it. This company had the audacity to suggest when asked as some of you may remember not to long ago by the fraud to share cost cuts ideas said among other things..that less time for the elderly in hospitals would save millions….

This company is one which has encircled and taken over every many of health care for the eldery…and have stringent denials
regarding provision of care.

If you have AARP coverage or/and someone you know does…urge them to throw this issue in AARP face and rebel.

This is outrageous.

their care

Happy Birthday Persephone…and many more.

Cheers to you..what you having? Next one is on me.

Mayo Clinic who Obama is always touting about in his speeches has come out against his Health care bill saying it would be the worst thing to happen to the American people.

Dear Leader is not having a good day, week or month. LOL

I next to never watch BO on tv. But I will tomorrow night. I want to see if he has the nerve to call on a reporter or reporters with pre-arranged questions. He got caught on it last time. Also am curious to see if he gets any tough questions.

NewOrleansPuma 07.21.09 at 9:09 pm

Howdy stranger…so good to see you here.
I receieved a renewal notice today went in the trash as they all do…funny how the mags keep coming and the renewals keep coming an I always throw them in the trash!!

FLBarbara 07.21.09 at 9:28 pm

Mayo Clinic who Obama is always touting about in his speeches has come out against his Health care bill saying it would be the worst thing to happen to the American people.

Dear Leader is not having a good day, week or month. LOL
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Holy Tamales FlaBarbara…do you have that link?
That was the ONE thing I hung a tiny piece of DNC cells worth of hope on that if he used Mayo as his example, maybe, maybe something good would come out of it……………………..RATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jdona 07.21.09 at 8:38 pm

I have health insurance from my husbands Veterans disability, its called ChampVA. And I have absolutely no complaints.
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That sounds darn good to me too jdona. I have Kaiser, from my job, in a nice area and I have never had a bad experience with the doctors. One young female doctor had a cold bedside manner and I swapped her out.
My son has a chronic illness with no insurance and he is in the same boat. Socialized medicine may not be perfect, there are ways to get around it, but NO INSURANCE for the sick is inhuman!

Good to see you blog and I hope your son remains healthy and has a happy and long life.

BillieJo #80: here’s a link http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/21/mayo-clinic-calls-house-plan-bad-medicine/

Mayo Clinic’s reaction to House Tri-Committee bill

Although there are some positive provisions in the current House Tri-Committee bill – including insurance for all and payment reform demonstration projects – the proposed legislation misses the opportunity to help create higher-quality, more affordable health care for patients. In fact, it will do the opposite.

In general, the proposals under discussion are not patient focused or results oriented. Lawmakers have failed to use a fundamental lever – a change in Medicare payment policy – to help drive necessary improvements in American health care. Unless legislators create payment systems that pay for good patient results at reasonable costs, the promise of transformation in American health care will wither. The real losers will be the citizens of the United States.

http://healthpolicyblog.mayoclinic.org/2009/07/16/mayo-clinic%E2%80%99s-reaction-to-house-tri-committee-bill/

scarlet 07.21.09 at 10:42 pm

Mayo Clinic’s reaction to House Tri-Committee bill
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Bingo, you went to the source too Scarlet….

Great, BillieJo. Thank you for the direct link.

((((((New Orleans Puma))))))

Miss you…..

Thanks for the Mayo links…was just something I heard in passing on the news.
Just wanted to add to Obama is not having a good week list.

(((NOP)))

I am loving Dances store !!! I am so broke right now after paying for my BBQ — I am saving my pennies !!! I am so getting a bumper sticker — speak your truth !!! LOVE IT — fuck !!

Murphy

“Bolshevik Oligarchy”
Brilliant!

“While the Right Flank screams, “Bolshevism!” the Left Flank screams, “Oligarchy,” both are right.
Even more brilliant.

I’ve been trying to decribe Obama’s vision of government without contradicting myself. Thanks for figuring it out.
Obama’s America is the worst of the Flank Right and the Flank Left’s worst nightmares.

Since Obama’s report card is a disaster; please could we cut off his allowance?

Juliette,

#98 – Excellent point…. I agree “O” shouldn’t get an allowance. Plus he should be grounded, no phone, no cable, no computer and especially NO BLACKBERRY !!!

Hi Goofs

I got back to you a little late last night. I hope I answered all your questions in the previous thread.
If you read my comment to BillieJo #99, you might want to check out this interview with Democratic Rep. Jackie Speier of CA.
I don’t live in California, and I don’t know much about her but I was rally impressed with her today.

Juliette,

I read your message from last night, thank you, you did answer my question.

I saw your comment on Ms. Speier, I will see what I can dig up on her for you and I will check out that interview tomorrow.

Thank you for calling her to my attention.

Night PUMAs, tomorrow is another day of watching Baracko run around with his hair on fire…
Sleep well.

Yes BillieJo you can only vote for The Rep in your district, but you can support any Representative you want to by other means like bringing positive attention to them. Thats all pretty premature though. I just thought she might be of interest to you as she spoke very courageously about Americas financial troubles and the out of control FED.

Letter to my representatives in the Congress and Senate

I am not in favor of Obama’s health care plan or cap and trade.
Do not vote for either of these current proposals.

NJ will vote for our change when the next election occurs and Corzine’s position is very much on the line. Corzine is identical to Obama and NJ does not like the policies that have taken NJ down a very dangerous path. Obama is taking the nation down the same path.

This is not the change that we want. Obama is taking down this country as fast as he can and there will be a huge revolt if he is not stopped now. The 2009 governor elections are just the beginning of that revolt.

We also don’t want Obama changing the census to be under Rahm and run by ACORN.
Obama bringing Chicago tactics to the national level is a disgrace.

We may have to watch the Dems plans play out until everyone is wide awake to what Obama is up to here. Then he and everyone who votes for more outrageous programs, just because Obama chides them, will be replaced by people who do care about this Republic.

The Stimulus has not worked. We don’t need to throw away more money on iffy big changes that appear to have no benefits other than to increase the power of the President and Federal Government.

Supporting Libby #110 is my comment to this from Barbara Boxer via NYTimes:
…”It doesn’t scare me at all,” Senate Environment and Public Works Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said yesterday when asked about the GOP attacks against the health care and climate bills. “There’s blood in the water on everything you do here,” she added. “We’ve got a whole party that is trying to do one thing, and that is bring the Democrats down. And that’s what they do. So almost everything we do, there’s blood in the water……”
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2009/07/22/22climatewire-battle-over-health-care-leaves-blood-in-the-61585.html

Just the Republicans against this monstrosity legislation? In your dreams, Babs.

Interesting comments on this Drudge link to an article in which Obama admits that he has no freaking clue what is in the Healthcare bill he is demanding be passed immediately …

http://www.heritage.org/2009/07/21/morning-bell-obama-admits-hes-not-familiar-with-house-bill/

Here’s a novel idea: Why don’t the congressmen come up with a national lottery and pick – I dunno – maybe 10,000 to 20,000 names from that lottery to participate in a national healthcare plan they’ve designed, for the next year or two. The participants would have to meet a list of rigorous qualifications (ie, Am. citizen, unemployed or below a certain income level, with no other health insurance options). Pick a board of ‘overlords’ – with equal number of republicans & democrats that would be responsible for reporting the outcome at the end of the trial and closely integrated within the system….somehow.

Then at the end of the trial and publishing of the report, let the American people decide if they want to join the plan too.

You know, we’re always advised not to dive head first into waters where we don’t know the depth of the water. Why does Congress insist on diving head first into this unknown territory? What’s wrong with a cautious approach?

Obama keeping K Street awash in Cash:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25194.html

President Barack Obama’s sweeping agenda is keeping K Street awash in cash. But the Democratic takeover of the White House is also creating new winners.

The Podesta Group posted a 57 percent increase in lobbying revenues for the first half of this year, compared to the same period in 2008. But the firm led by Tony Podesta, whose brother John headed Obama’s presidential transition team, appeared not to be Washington’s highest-paid lobbying shop.

That prize seemed likely destined to the powerhouse law lobbying firm Patton Boggs. While its lobbying revenues tumbled 11 percent for the first half of this year, compared to last year, it still managed to take home a street-beating $18.5 million.

That ROCKS , Airforce ! Wooo HOOO ! Congrats to you and yours !

How many of you think obama will get his healthcare bill jammed thru?

#113 Dragonfly , The Obama weight loss program , TV induced Bullimia.

airforcehusker 07.22.09 at 10:41 am

Many thanks to all of you who kept my family and me in your hopes and thoughts….here is the good news.

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That is good news…we need some. Your family must be jumping for joy, I often wonder how families stand the strain of living apart.
I too think osakashit will hold a loaded gun to the heads of many to pass his newest and criminal scam and then go on to the next big boondoggle. We are in a world of hurt so very bad for our health.

T-shirt… OBAMA IS TOXIC!

Check out some of the crap in the house healthcare bill. Talk the mother of big brother bills. From http://blog.flecksoflife.com/

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill – HC will be provided for ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill – Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accts for elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill – Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example – Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ #AMA – The Govt will tell YOU whatyou can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who don’t prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to the Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty youu have, you’ll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131 Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps into Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! WTF.

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Canyou say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV to kill you

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs.

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs

Pg 503 lines 21-25 Govt may secure data directly from any depart or agency of the US incl your data.

PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from HC consumer reps – Can you say unions & ACORN?

PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.

PG 621 Lines 20-25 Govt will define what Quality means in HC. Since when does Govt know about quality?

PG 624 “Quality” measures shall b designed to profile including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc

Pg 628 Sec 1443 Govt will give “Multi-Stake Holders” Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality” Measures

Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those Multi-stake holder groups incl. Unions & groups like ACORN deciding HC quality.

Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Govt may implement any “Quality measure” of HC Services as they see fit.

Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Govt wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Govt.

PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Govt will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live

Pg 676-686 Govt will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, incl. teaching hospitals.

HP,

Here’s the direct link to the blog post:

http://blog.flecksoflife.com/2009/07/19/the-first-400-pages-of-the-hc-monstrosity/

transparency:

White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives
Citing an argument used by the Bush administration, the Secret Service rejects a request from a watchdog group to list those who have visited the White House to discuss the healthcare overhaul.
By Peter Nicholas
July 22, 2009
Reporting from Washington — Invoking an argument used by President George W. Bush, the Obama administration has turned down a request from a watchdog group for a list of health industry executives who have visited the White House to discuss the massive healthcare overhaul.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington sent a letter to the Secret Service asking about visits from 18 executives representing health insurers, drug makers, doctors and other players in the debate. The group wants the material in order to gauge the influence of those executives in crafting a new healthcare policy.

Vistage CEO ProgramThe Secret Service sent a reply stating that documents revealing the frequency of such visits were considered presidential records exempt from public disclosure laws. The agency also said it was advised by the Justice Department that the Secret Service was within its rights to withhold the information because of the “presidential communications privilege.”
more:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-healthcare-talks22-2009jul22,0,1752248.story

Must admit I just grabbed this headline and ran with it:
President Obama Uses Magnetism, Political Capital to Push Health Care Bill
Swaying public opinion would go a long way toward convincing resistant lawmakers that a massive health care reform bill is vital and needed immediately. The task could be a heavy lift for the president, who so far is getting little love from either voters or Congress.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/22/president-obama-uses-magnetism-political-capital-push-health-care/

Guess that’s all he has left for a defense of the indefensible. Like Hillary told us: All he has are words, and words mean nothing. Guess that’s what he is offering tonight.

From BJ’s Free Us Now Email update:

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It has come to my attention that Lou Dobbs spent at least 20 minutes of his radio show defending Orly Taitz and Alan Keyes and joined millions of others in asking for the following :

Among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his
1- Kindergarten records,
2- his Punahou school records,
3- his Occidental College records,
4- his Columbia University records,
5- his Columbia thesis, 6-
6- his Harvard Law School records,
7- his Harvard Law Review articles,
8- his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago,
9- his passport,
10-his medical records,
11-his files from his years as an Illinois state senator,
12-his Illinois State Bar Association records,
13-any baptism records,
14-his adoption records, and
15-his long form birth certificate.

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Okay, OBurka, where is the transparency??????????????

silence dogood
thanks for the intel – now to digest it (and once again lose my appetite)

Obama may have to wait for health care passage
‘No one wants to tell the speaker that she’s moving too fast,’ says Rangel

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“No one wants to tell the speaker (Nancy Pelosi) that she’s moving too fast and they damn sure don’t want to tell the president,” Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., a key committee chairman, told a fellow lawmaker as the two walked into a closed-door meeting Tuesday. The remark was overheard by reporters.

Obama has scheduled a prime-time news conference Wednesday, expected to focus on health care. It’s turning into a major test of his leadership. One Republican senator says if the party can stop Obama on health care, it will break him

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32082529/ns/politics-white_house

US Bombs Poppy Seeds in Afghanistan ‘Show of Force’
by Jason Ditz, July 21, 2009

Today’s air strikes were the latest, and likely most heavy-handed exercise of US military power in the war on drugs in Afghanistan, as the poppy seeds which have become a significant portion of Afghanistan’s largely agrarian economy often get exported for use in opium derivatives.

State Department official Tony Wayne says the attacks are part of the campaign to win the “hearts of minds” of Afghanistan’s civilian population. He claimed farmers were being “intimidated” into growing poppies instead of wheat, which the US has been attempting to subsidize as an alternative crop.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/07/21/us-bombs-poppy-seeds-in-afghanistan-show-of-force/

Our President does not know what is in HR3200

Silence Dogwood – thanks for the list of problems with HR3200. Did you retype all those twitters? If so, thanks again.

The author did not include the one I was talking about yesterday on pages 16- 17 of HR3200. The grandfather clause that does NOT appear to protect those of us who are happy with our present insurance (70% of the population in May this year) and allow us to keep it.

This is what tripped up the President yesterday in a conference call to ‘liberal’ bloggers (see TT’s link #114)

One blogger asked “Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?” President Obama replied: “You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about.” If you want to hear for yourself the audio is at (is it still there?):

Can you BELIEVE this? The president does not know what is in the Bill and none of his people seem to have told him. The poor blogger has not received kudos from his buddies (to put it mildly) at Daily Koz (only the second time I’ve been there) for exposing the President to potential ridicule. Actually I have respect for the blogger for trying to get an honest answer to an honest question.

At the end of the Conf Call BO reiterated:

“If you have health insurance, and you like it, and you have a doctor that you like, then you can keep it. Period.”

How can BO keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress? The devil is in the details.

Please ask your Senators, ask your Reps and ask them to READ the Bill and to SLOW down so that health care reform is done properly. For me it is all a matter of trust and I just don’t have it – scares me. Thanks

OMG Here is the audio link for #144 – was still there a minute ago. The relevant section is around 17 minutes. :

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/obamas-blogger-conference-call

Yes HP Boston ((Hi)) – precisely By the way what is the difference between ((((HP)))) and {{{{HP}}}}. Is the latter more of a squeeze?

AirforceHusker,

That is wonderful news… Congratulations to you and your family….

How can BO keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress? The devil is in the details.

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He knows he can’t be impeached “for telling lies”……..
He is the devil with NO details.
All his lieing will be scrubbed and the beat goes on..

RememberNovember 07.22.09 at 2:28 pm

Yes HP Boston ((Hi)) – precisely By the way what is the difference between ((((HP)))) and {{{{HP}}}}. Is the latter more of a squeeze?

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YUP and it hurts!

RemNov – How ironic is it that Oshithead spent more time picking out a dog for the white house than he is allowing for everyone to consider the health care bill in congress.

It’s almost like he’s saying, “Let’s get this through before everyone realizes what a complete disaster I’ve been.”

Hi Nikkismom – you are so right – that is what you do for important decisions in your life – consider them carefully before you decide.

I am coming around to the idea that he genuinely wants to correct all the problems with health care and that he really believes that is what Congress is doing – else how cold he keep repeating the mantra: you like it, you keep it. But he looks reeeeeally bad for saying one thing while being unaware that Congress is moving in a different direction. If he is just playing dumb………

Perhaps we should urge him: the American peop[le deserve equal time with Bo the dog!

Thanks for all your research on the health care issue

ooooooooooo! thats nice thanks RemVem…

Action Pumas, action …. off to make calls, email….. See you all later

Shadow: I’ve been waiting for us to do the breakdown,
we just haven’t gotten there yet.

Murphy must be busy, but I’d like to join you and
others to do it.

OT: Though maybe one of our PUMA’S would know
where to go, I don’t—-I’m sure any info would be
helpful.
________________________________________________________
Lexi Needs A Kidney
Posted on July 22, 2009 by freemenow

By: Sharin
fairsharfairshar@aol.com

Lexi, who is my granddaughter, has started dialysis and she is now on the National Registry for a kidney.

If you know of anyone who would be willing to give one of their kidneys to Lexi, who is 11 years old…was diagnosed with cancer (neuroblastoma) when she was 3 years old and because of where the cancer was, her kidneys are destroyed and she is desperate, then please let me know.

She is B positive so we need someone who is either B or O positive, and then there are tests they would need to take to make sure they are compatible with Lexi…which takes a month or two of testing. Lexi’s insurance will pay everything.

If you are interested or know someone who is interested, please let me know and pass this around to others, your other groups, etc.

Thank you and thanks so much for all your prayers and well wishes.

Shadowfax – Oops, forgot to add my name too…

Volunteer to read 10 pages of the Heath Care bill.
We need to know what this bill says…
Let’s start the list of volunteers and see if we can get a PUMA pile before we start to assign the pages.

Could someone post the link to the full version of the bill here:

Just mention if you want to join us but don’t post the list too often or Dances will swipe ya. (Maybe re-posting the list after 5 or more show up.) How long is this text of false promises…over a thousand?

Billie Jo
Goofsmom
michelina
Shadowfax

Okay, I’m not even supposed to be here…shhhh…But there are several issues of immediate concern to me today, and so thought I’d share.

1) Re BO’s ‘healthcare reform’ and ‘crap n tax’ plans, has anyone noticed that the BIG CORPORATE interests are not visibly/vocally lobbying like the dickens against either of these??? So, IMO, it should be rather obvious that the major players in these two industries will be making megabucks at the expense of everyday Americans if these plans pass. Otherwise, BIGTIME lobbyists for both would have been wining and dining and paying off Congress to oppose them. That’s not happening. Add to that the fact that BO has had secret meetings with representatives from both industries, and refuses to divulge who attended or what was discussed. Thus, can either plan be any good for the everyday American??? I say e-mail and fax the heck out of your Congressional Reps and Sens against both plans, and do not wait!!!

2) I’m concerned about what will happen to any of various pending lawsuits involving BO and cronies in the event his pal Sotomayor is approved for SCOTUS. There are articles indicating that Sotomayor initially may have tried to ‘bury’ or ‘hide’ the Ricci case — perhaps the most significant race case in decades — from further judicial review; and indicating that some 1200 pages of Clinton-era White House communications re Sotomayor’s nomination to the circuit court of appeals were withheld from the public. Again, if you’re concerned, e-mail and fax your Reps/Sens.
http://ninthjustice.nationaljournal.com/2009/07/how-ricci-almost.php
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124718350736220343.html

3) I’m appalled by the repeated frivolous ethics lawsuits against Gov. Palin, and I’m concerned that not enough is being done by women’s activist groups to help/support her. To any PUMA legal brains out there: Isn’t there something that can be done to help her combat these blatant attempts to suppress her First Amendment rights and to obstruct her political/career aspirations as well as obstruct her ability to do her current job as Governor??? I e-mailed Gov. Palin with some thoughts/ideas.

Shhhh….

whispering…. Hi (((CJK)))

RE: 170 –

1) I’m concerned about this too… Have been emailing already..

2) Not as concerned about this… It is an issue but being the newbie to the group can’t see Sotomayor having that much influence.

3) Not a legal brain so can’t help on that one…

Good to see you… Sneak in anytime ya can…

CJK 170

Hello there. I should try to generate some ideas for Sarah as to your comment 3 – not sure when I will have time this week. I did want to share something about comment 2. I read the Ninth Justice article – thanks for the link. Several weeks ago I reviewed the Ricci case (both at the district court level and the appellate court proceedings). Honestly, Sotomayor is getting unfair criticism regarding Ricci. Several reasons – first, the lower court opinion is well reasoned. Ricci wanted to be promoted based on his scoring well on a test that was, beyond dispute, a test whose results could not be used for promotion without the certain result of a valid claim of discrimination. The test was a bad test – not Ricci’s fault, not Sotomayor’s fault. It is just a test that should not have been used. They should have promoted Ricci, perhaps, but why not use a valid promotional tool? Secondly, Sotomayor and the other two judges could not have hidden the case from anyone. What Ricci’s lawyer said SO MANY lawyers say because MANY case are affirmed without a reasoned analysis. In Florida, if your appeal is “affirmed per curiam” in the way the Ricci case was affirmed, no review would be possible. Sure, the lawyer griped that there was no opinion. That happens just about every day. Affirming without opinion happens so often that no one can conclude from that practice that a case could be hidden. Everyone is on notice of that frequently occurring. In any event, Ricci had two levels of review of the short affirming opinion, and he took advantage of both – he could apply for “en banc” review and he could apply for Supreme Court review. The court en bank voted to affirm – 8 to 7. So, 7 other judges agreed with Sotomayor. It is very hard to get Supreme Court review, but the manner in which the 2nd circuit opinion was written had nothing to do with whether the Court was going to grant review. The briefs submitted by Ricci’s lawyer and the other briefs in favor of review provided everything necessary for the Supreme Court to consider the issues.

Sotomayor’s participation in the reversed ruling is being made much of, but frankly she was just one of three judges affirming an opinion that had a basis in law and one of eight judges agreeing that the case should not be reviewed on rehearing. What Sotomayor is being criticized for is refraining from being activist – yet everyone thinks she is an activist and should be criticized for that too.

Once again, and I don’t direct this at you, CJK, but in terms of the Republicans and media who are out there criticizing Sotomayor, it is a double bind that only applies to women. Have we ever seen a male jurist up for confirmation being placed in such a double bind? No. The only one that comes to mind as being harshly criticized was Bork, and with good reason.

Sorry for being so long-winded, but this really gets to me. I think it is clear that Sotomayor is NOT an activist. She has primarily agreed with employers, for example, with respect to employment discrimination claims. I think she will follow the law and I hope she will apply the law in a way that promotes fairness and is true to the spirit of the Constitution. There are no guarantees, of course, but there appears no reason to deny her confirmation.

RemNov,

HI….
#175- Want to hear more, when you get back, about your niece and the Health ins co.

Anybody but me see red flags on this????

Link to an article about the latest absurdity emanating from the frivolous ethics suits against Gov. Palin: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/21/ethics-probe-implicates-palin-taking-private-donations-pay-legal-debts/

Question: If this investigator thinks there’s ‘probable cause’ that Palin ‘may have violated ethics laws by accepting private donations to pay her legal debts,’ what would he say about BO using nearly a million bucks which likely came from private donations to his political campaign(s) to pay legal expenses to fight lawsuits insisting he produce his original certified BC???

Shhh….

CJK

#178 – WOW… excellent point… love it.. (shhhh… whispering)

Dragonfly 07.22.09 at 4:45 pm

Thanks, Dragonfly, for that analysis. I’m not an attorney (as you likely may be), and probably don’t understand some of the finer points, but my ultimate question would be, why DIDN’T Sotomayor question the test? My hunch is that had Ricci been a person of color or female (instead of being a learning-impaired white male), Sotomayor very likely would have questioned the test as a promotional tool. So, IMO, her activism appears to be evident; but appears to be quite selective, hence the question of whether she can apply the law equitably/impartially concerning all persons across the board.

((((((oscarp ))))))) (did I ever tell you that I always pronounce your name ” O’scarp ” ?
Anyway – how the heck are you ?!!!!!!

Good to see you Oscarp and TT!!!

Does this look like the complete version of the HR3200 bill?
So many lines of just freakin’ titles…

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111OxgINH:e0:

Can someone verify is this is true…..

Obama signed an executive order to keep him from having to release his actual birth certificate
http://current.com/items/90468136_obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate.htm

#190

Interesting. Good find. I’m guessing that is indeed his signature on the last page. I’m also guessing this covers way more than his birth certificate.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/e9-1712.pdf

Looks like there won’t be a vote on health care before the recess:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/07/22/no_pre-recess_vote_on_health_care.html

Row leads to book burning demand
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/wisconsin.book.row/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

‘morans’

The blue dogs contact info(stopping govt. run healthcare).

http://www.northgeorgia912.com/congress_contact_info.xls

lionpuma
Here’s the executive order http://nodis3.gsfc.nasa.gov/displayEO.cfm?id=EO_13489_ the simple question is if he has nothing to hide then why hide it?
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Doesn’t this line at the bottom basically say he can’t hoodwink, pull a legal fast one or hide something that is illegal from the citizens of this country?
……..

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

181 oscarp – hello fellow Floridian! great to see you again.

182 CJK – it is really hard to grapple with the questions raised in a brief comment, so I am sorry for causing any confusion with my general comments. I will try to answer your very good question. Ricci scored well on a test that had a disparate impact on persons of color. The test could not legally be used to promote anyone because allowing the test to be a promotional tool would have resulted in blacks and hispanics saying that the promotion was tainted. The city did the right thing by not using the test. No one was promoted either because of the test or because the test was not used. In this way, the city was trying to avoid a lawsuit altogether.

Ricci said that the city’s refusal to use the test was a race-based decision. In a way, yes, it was, but every employer has the obligation to refrain from using testing tools that have discriminatory results.

A very well respected judge on the Second Circuit wrote a concurring opinion in support of not reviewing the decision, so Sotomayor is in good company. Part of the basis for the 2nd circuit not reviewing it concerned the request for Supreme Court review – the issues were already well defined, so there was no need for the Second Circuit to get into it with an opinion. One of the judges who disagreed, who is quoted in the article you linked, said that was a mistake because the panel Sotomayor was a part of approved without analysis the trial judge’s opinion, which according to some did not accurately address Constitutional law.

So, definitely there are reasonable and bright judges splitting up on different sides of this issue. The Supremes’ decision changed the law, and that was something the Supremes could do, not something a three judge panel in the Second Circuit should be doing. That’s why I think what Sotomayor did shows she is not an activist judge.

Persephone agrees with you, I think. I haven’t seen her weigh in on this in a while, though. I may be completely wrong about her – I have not studied it as much as it could be studied.

It is pretty rare for someone not to be confirmed. Certainly, I question anyone Obama selects, but I am trying not to hold that against Sotomayor.

Thank you (((Shadowfax )))

Link didn’t work, but it did remind me to try thomas.loc.gov., then HR3200. It didn’t list page numbers, but did itemize issues when I clicked on headings. VERY CONFUSING . . .

Now that it’s on hold until after August recess, hopefully that gives everyone a chance to read it!

ipotter,

I think that this whole thing comes down to him needing to hide something. Maybe i am skeptical but i call them the way i see them.

Shadow – your link to HR3200 through Thomas has timed out. I was not able to find a copy with page numbers except through the route I described above, now below:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

and click on GPO’s PDF Display in the box top left you will leave Thomas’ page and then click on “continue to GPO site” on the right and a PDF copy will be downloaded to your computer. This version was printed July 14
_________________________________

So now i have it on my computer, for those that don’t want it on their computer….

SCARLET………….Helloooooooooo….we need your help please?

To address comments to AARP on their position on health care reform call: 1-888-687-2277 and follow the voice commands to get a person (eventually press zero)

Their position is quite like BO’s position that they want coverage for all and for those who like their coverage – they can keep it. We all want that don’t we? It is just that the president and AARP don’t seem to know that the Bill does not supportt what they are saying.

The email address someone posted above for Jennie Hansen, President of AARP (Dearjennie@aarp.org) bounced back to me and I could not get another address from the person I called. The fax number is 1-202-434-7599.
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so voice: 1-888-687-2277
Fax: 1-202-434-7599

Hi goofsmom – re niece – cannot compromise her position – sorry but it makes sense? They cannot all run the program though so why are they all so relatively quiet?

Hillary (in Thailand) bows slightly to the the ladies, and they bow back….this photo is so cute…

http://apnews.myway.com/image/20090722/Thailand_Clinton_Asia.sff_TOK209_20090722030543.html?date=20090722&docid=D99JEHBG0

hi PUMAs

I hear Susan Boyle has been in the USA and upstaging Obama?

Here is another British woman who smokes.

I hope you can see the video.
click the link here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/entrepreneurs/evan_week2.shtml

or here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/entrepreneurs/sharonwright.shtml

(or if you can’t see it in the US, look out for it on youtube soon)

Sharon Wright is an inventor, I don’t know if you get Dragon’s Den over there, but it is a show were entrepreneurs and inventors make their pitch for business support. It is more interesting than it sounds, trust me on this.

She invented the magnamole, which is an improvement on how cabling is done. Might sound a bit boring, but it isn’t if you watch the video. This woman is awesome, a single mother of 39 and should be inspiring.

This is the product website.

http://www.magnamole.co.uk/

In the five year history of Dragons’ Den, it is hard to remember a more perfect pitch than that of Sharon Wright. Would-be entrepreneurs should take note of it as a textbook example of how it should be done.

I haven’t been active in Obama’s Birth Cert issue, but I’ve wished those who have a passion for it well. In light of that: (and I hope this hasn’t been posted already.)

July 22, 2009, 3:45 pm
‘Birther’ Boom
By Eric Etheridge
“Slowly but surely, this meme is going mainstream,” says Allpundit.

“Did Lou Dobbs really GO THERE? Seriously? This is getting absurd,” says the First Read team at MSNBC.

Six months into his presidency, the charge that Barack Obama is — literally — un-American is gaining not losing steam. Yes, the Birther bump is growing.

Need some backstory? Allow The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder to explain: “Birthers, for the uninitiated, is a term used by the media to ridicule those who believe that the president’s Hawaiian birth certificate is fake and that because he was ostensibly born in Kenya, not the United States, he was never eligible to be president in the first place.”

more at:
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/birther-boom/

Does anyone know what time Obarkolounger is going to contaminate the airwaves? I don’t watch tv, just curious.

Rem-Nov
I was the one that gave the e-mail address for Jennie Hansen, President of AARP. I have e-mailed twice and both went through. Be sure to use a capital “D” in Dear and a capital “J” in Jennie.

Hi Dances,
It says 8pm and I assume that is eastern time.

I guess everyone ignored my post then or wasn’t really interested. Shame.

^^

Anyway, best part of the week was Lou Dobbs has picked up the birther issue, and Hillary Clinton rocks as usual in Asia.

ARP out.

ARP – hi nice to see you! From what I gather the President originally wanted his speech at 9 pm but (is it ABC? – the new Obama network) balked because Susan Boyle is scheduled to be on then so the WH agrred to the earlier time slot – well that’s my story and i am sticking to it!!!

Shadow will send a bit later. Been thinking – the version I have was printed July 14 and is the one passed out of the House I believe but there are now 5 versions – I guess we should wait to see how this might go – else we should probably read all – especially if it goes to reconciliation –

I am planning on reading this version anyway just to find out what to watch for. Did you see the Hillary news above?

Shadowfax – you have bulky mail!

turned the tv off….I am going for a walk in my PUMA shirt and see if I can stir up some controversy.
Of course, I am taking all necessary protection, Dog, mace etc……

I have great health insurance, and so does every Member of Congress’…
This ‘is not a game’…

Thanks to all who responded to the snakesalesman on tv question.

hey….ya think I would get in trouble if I sent bambi a gold shovel and a sackodogshit?

IS it me or is obama calling out the american people. In other words take more program or else. This is my way or the highway.

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
I CAN’T STAND HIM! Why doesn’t everyone see what we see? it just makes me crazy!

I am a god and know better than you do what is best for you or your family……what obama is really thinking.

And, He’s calling on reporters from a list he has in front of him on the podium. How much longer is he going to get away with that?

airforcehusker,
you are right. he is so arrogant!

Press conference can be summed up with this.

I have the worst economy but it has recovered.
America sucks because you all dont love me.
Health care will come to you if you bow before me and accept only my proposal.
Lastly you american people are stupid and need to wake up to who great i am.

DWP if you are here… There is a message waiting for you at the command tower! So, I gather your ingestion of the MD’s plastic toy passed…. Phew! I was worried…

airforce and remvem
I’m gonna have to get my news from you, I can’t listen to him a second longer.

There are some better at summarising than I am

American will have to give up paying for things that dont make them healthy.

Does this mean he will be telling us what food or drink we will be allowed to consume. interesting

If the repubs have a good idea we’ll take it

dems have regional differences – Medicare in some communities reimbursements low – part of give and take – legitimate concerns but will add to price

DWP…. Thanks… you know sometimes the little/small stuff in life is priceless…. Glad you liked it…. hope you are doing well and staying cool….

No sane person can believe BO. I think he is digging a hole for himself with all this blah, blah, blah. He is not making any sense at all.

Jake Tapper – sacrifices of Americans (including end of life decisions)?

Well does it make you healthier?, if not wasting money, raises your premiums and everyone’s premiums

Why pay for things that don’t work (if doctors and patients agree on what works – I think that’s what he said – [yeah - it will be a bureaocrat's decision I fear]

blue pill and red pill and both work one is half the cost why pay for the more expensive? (Which little blue pill is he talking about?!!)

DWP… hope my posting about the ‘plastic toy passing’ wasn’t too personal?… Just glad all went well….. But, I did have Matzo Ball Soup on stand by… Just in case…

CC
LOL!!

Oh I give up! We inherited an enormous deficit and long term debt projections – health reform designed to lower the debt

We inherited an enormous deficit and long term debt projections
he will use this until he is blue in the face. Afterall is is easier to blame others than lead. He is not a leader.

Chicago Tribune reporter said he promised to hold hearings covered by C-span so all could see. His answer, well our kickoff event was covered by c-span. WTH

He’s claiming that his plan would contain same benefits as Congress gets and so would the public option.

Woman – great question re transparency. Who is she?

Would not provide list of who in the health care industry visiting WH (a la GWB) why not? No need to – most of you in the press have been around taking pictures [if that’s the case then why not release the list?)

C-span – all negotiations not on CV-Span as promised – why not?

Well the first meeting here was on Cspan but then it became complicated with various committees meeting…

TARP – let me take a look at what said not to be

BigCatLover 07.22.09 at 8:47 pm
He’s claiming that his plan would contain same benefits as Congress gets and so would the public option.
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Then why doesn’t congress want to opt in?

Because congress views itself as the royalty and we are the peasants.

RememberNovember brings up the rear! so glad the rest of you are fast!

RememberNovember 07.22.09 at 8:48 pm

Woman – great question re transparency. Who is she?
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Christine somebody from Chicago Tribune. Her questions were the best of the bunch.

BCL
Sounds sorta like when he said lesbian and gay federal employees would be getting the same govt benefits as hetero couples… he was right, except he failed to say… they wouldnt be getting all of the same benefits. What was it… 40 out of 200, something like that.

What was that race question about….and what for.

airforce
the professor couldnt get in his front door… so he went in the back. Then tried to get the front door to see what the problem was with the lock. Apparently he was with a friend who was helping him. Someone thought it was a break-in and called the cops.
Simple… open shut (no pun).

I knew he would bring up race… that always seems to work.
Has he started blaming HRC and women in general yet?

Hi PUMAs…

Rancho 07.22.09 at 6:59 pm

Hi, (((Remember November)))!

(I’m checking in and out with plumbers . . .major water line problem at home)

You’re RIGHT! I personally called all their offices in Washington D.C. yesterday, just to be an “annoying reminder.” That was real interesting. I
started out by saying, I recognize that Rep. XXXX is not my Representative, however I represent PUMApac, and ONE of our missions is to work for support and recognition of women in politics, past and present, and that is why I’m calling. It helped open the door.
A couple tried to tell me that I needed to contact my own rep. however, I told both “Women need to support women, and since there are so few in Congress, I feel she IS my representative!” SILENCE, then they took down information.

Timing is really bad right now, and they are all going on break for a month!
3 isn’t a lot, BUT it’s three more women with their eyes open a bit, perhaps.
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You are one quick thinking PUMA on her feet. You need to keep that dialogue written down so you can post it next time we make calls for the ERA. That was great!

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BTW, thanks Shadowfax for adding me to the list of HR32bullshit reading.

Do we really have until August to read it?

Dances, yes i got that but i was still asking myself what did this have to do with healthcare and why we are gathered tonight. Is this an underhanded slight to say america is still a racist country and if you dont support his proposal well than your racist.

” I’ll be honest,I’m the President of the United States, I have a doctor with me at all times so I don’t need this coverage. I want everyone to have what I have. What an arrogant pig!

Would it be considered raaaaaacist if instead of a “jib jab” video we did a “shuck and jive” tap dance video?

Plus I read that the professor wouldn’t give his ID to them There had been a lot of break ins in the neighborhood, what were the cops supposed to do. Give me a break. And yes, airforce, dances is right , that’s how he brings race into the picture.

ABC post press conference chat mentioned that Obama said he wants the bill passed by the end of the year, so I think August is no longer the deadline. We have more time to read the bill.

Lynn Sweet asked the last question that resulted in his answer about the Cambridge police incident, but I didn’t catch the question when she asked it.

sheila
and I read that he did show his driver’s license and harvard identification.

but why is this dimmer getting into a local incident?

OH, maybe I read the wrong thing but regardless you’re right, why is he involved at all?

prplvette85

turned the tv off….I am going for a walk in my PUMA shirt and see if I can stir up some controversy.
Of course, I am taking all necessary protection, Dog, mace etc……
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You go girl! Way to work off your frustration on the obots.

DWP… Sorry, I cannot help with the sick twisted comedy hour of BO…. I am watching SG-1 a sci-fi channel… and, taking care of the cats and dogs and doing laundry…. I just cannot, watch that parasite……. Oh, got a letter from Gore asking me to give $$$$ for his support of BO and his other bullshit…. Usually, I throw it in the trash… But, if a self stamped, self addressed envelope is included…. I cannot refuse to respond….. I said BO is a FRAUD! And, so is the current Democratic Party….. Never will they get my vote or $$$ Ever!!! Oh, I used RED felt marker and mailed it back today….. Petty, Yes… But, it made me feel better for a moment….

BillieJo,
She was asked about running again and she said words to the effect I don’t know, I don’t see me there but I don’t know.
Woot! Woot!

CC
Not petty. Just one more way to hopefully get through to those we employ.

BillieJo
Careful there… you could end up with that other saka Dean.

“I’m the President!” “I’m in charge here.”
Listen to me” “Gitter done!” waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. waaaaaaaaaaaaah. waaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I want my daddy… waaaaaaaaaaah

The Gates issue is clearly controversial – it’s a case of Gates said/ the cop said. I think perhaps it would have been Presidential to suggest he shouldn’t comment in an ongoing police incident, instead of calling the Cambridge police stupid and bringing up racial problems in this country again. Gates is apparently making a video about this and may write a book – apparently his focus has been on race relations at Harvard. He was listed as one of the top 25 most influential people in the US (date?)

In response to Stoney42′s question and the fact that BO always calls on specific press – I would be amazed if he did not know the content, or at least area of questions ahead of time.

I found a site that apparently has the text of HR3200. Does this help?

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

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Noticed something sort of interesting. HR3200 was the National Insurance Act of 2007 (which never became law):
“To authorize the issuance of Federal charters and licenses for carrying on the sale, solicitation, negotiation, and underwriting of insurance or any other insurance operations, to provide a comprehensive system for the Federal regulation and supervision of national insurers and national agencies, to provide for policyholder protections in the event of an insolvency or the impairment of a national insurer, and for other purposes.”

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DancesWithPumas 07.22.09 at 9:25 pm

BillieJo
Careful there… you could end up with that other saka Dean.
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Nope, I will keep weeding out the dorks until I get one that looks like Brad Pitt when he was in Fight Club.

#329 BillieJo
LOL

This is for BillieJo – is she around?

Clinton doesn’t slam door on a White House bid:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j39p6fCh6ssqm9IjMYvt9V_klHeQD99JQUCG0

I guess you are here BillieJo and celebrating already –

RememberNovember,
Thanks for the link. I love Hillary. Love what she said. That is one resilient woman.

Hep me…. Hep me… I’m blind and deaf from watching “O”… I desperately need emergency Puma medical care… Or, do you think “O” will just send his doc over…

Don’t count on it goofs!

(((antifish)))

great to see you

goofsmom,
i’m sure he’ll send him right over, after all he wants us all to have it as good as he does

Hey (((sheila))) great to see you too!!!!

I’ve been busy rebuilding a deck. Never imagined how much work that involves. Still a lot left to do.

(((BillieJo)))!!! Still constructing, but I should be done in a couple of weeks. It’s hard because my son is only off two days a week to help and he’s really not that in to it, so we get about six hours of work done before he’s ready to go out somewhere.

((Antifish)0 – so nice to see you – perhaps we should put little snippets out about Hillary every so often, so that you come out of lurking mode

Yes it was nice to see NOP and Katinyourhat’s names earlier – any one else lurking out there? How about a Hillary moment? Come visit – we need to relax and think about something good after the day we’ve had.

Rancho – sorry to hear about your plumbing problems and I agree with BillieJo – great thinking in conversation with Reps office when you are not a constituent – will remember that!

Well back from my walk. I ran into another woman walking her dog. She saw my Puma shirt and we started talking. Of course she voted for bambi, but as we were talking she agreed that indeed he has not “followed through” on his campaign promises. Ya think?! Turns out…lo and behold..she is one of our councilwomen.I knew I recognized her. She is the daughter of a prior mayor of Gary. She is going to run for Mayor against Rudy Clay in 2010. I told her even though I do not agree with her as far as Bambi is concerned, I would support her because I am a woman,and after what happened to Hillary during the last election, and to Sara Palin I am supporting only women as long as they are qualified. I believe that only a woman can get this City on the right track with the budget, and bringing in jobs and diversity. I told her I will however watch her voting record, but what I know of her voting record in the City Council so far I pretty much agree with. I know her father did more for this City than any other Mayor. She said she would check out our blog, and will contact me so we can sit down and talk further.
Not bad for a pissed off Puma’s nights work.

antifish 07.22.09 at 9:55 pm

(((BillieJo)))!!! Still constructing, but I should be done in a couple of weeks. It’s hard because my son is only off two days a week to help and he’s really not that in to it, so we get about six hours of work done before he’s ready to go out somewhere.
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Oh Anti, I have a son too and know just how that goes. Those damn hormones. My son had to move home for the summer, couldn’t find a job and has little jobs now and then, what ever he can find before going back to school. Keep those boys working and off the streets.
I am just glad to have our Anti back.

sheila, yes, if only, that would be a great help. Thanks for the thought.

I’ll manage though. It’s not that I don’t have the carpentry skills, it’s that I’m old and decrepit. If I put in a full day of labor in this oppressive Georgia summer sun, I can barely function the next day and need two days to recuperate. Oh well, it will be finished when it’s finished. There’s no rush.

Hey (((prpl)))!!! Good to see you are back here too!

Don’t know how to make a HillaryHope – where’s FLBarbara? She’s a good barkeep, no?

Well, I will leave for awhile because i am so tired and may interrupt some serious blogging here – need a glass of something See you all later and besides prplvette85′s new friend might visit the blog and I’d hate her to think we are a bunch of drunks…..

By the way, we have been missing you Murphy – hope you are having a well-deserved rest.

RememberNovember 07.22.09 at 10:02 pm

prplvette85 – That was just meant to be!
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I think so too! And I am ready for Hillary in 2012! I am looking forward to all of us gearing up for battle!!! I still have my Hillary/Puma plastic tote box filled and ready for service! We are all a lot wiser, more educated and already know what we will be up against….

lock and load Puma’s…lock and load!

Well off to shower and bed. I didn’t sleep well last night.
I am sorry I missed ((((Kat and NOP)))) If you are lurking…miss you both. Good night and sweet Puma dreams.
ciao for now

(((goofsmom))), good to see you too, thanks!

Goodnight Remember!

Maybe we need a Hillary – 2012 T-shirt.

I still sometimes make a donation of $20.12 to HRC’s campaign fund.

Anti- just take construction at a pace you can handle. Just don’t go on it if it’s not safe…
I’m in the same boat, let the big boys do the heavy lifing…you be the brains.

Thanks, BillieJo. Yeah, I let my son do all the heavy stuff. Can’t handle it myself anymore. Just need to work on not staying out in the sun too long. Gives me horrible headaches…

I really hope Hillary runs again too. Keeping my fingers crossed…

Night antifish…