Hey, Infiltrators!

Hey Murph, I was just checking out the Pumasphere website and I watched the video of your interview in Denver. I hadn’t seen it before and I’d just like to say “you rock” or perhaps “you’re smokin’” would be more appropriate. All you gotta know is “I got your back”.

Puma-SF
I just saw that video for the first time recently too. I agree, Murphy was awesome. I can’t believe the media barely reported on PUMA in Denver, especially the 18 million voices march where so many marched. I also recently just saw The Audacity of Democracy documentary as well. I think more people need to see it… Maybe if it was sold here at PumaPAC? I miss those primary days where everyone was organizing and calling and writing delegates.

lionpuma: I really miss those days as well and that video Murphy posted really got me thinking. I think that guy may have triggered something when he talked about how they hadn’t attacked Bill Clinton yet. I ended up really liking that woman.

Cinie: You are so right. Darragh is amazing. Her clarity is awesome.

Yup Cinie, we feel the same way about Murph.
She may look shy when you meet her, but this lady is a gem and even if we scrap here, every now and then, she is the glue that holds us together.

We enjoy your posts and blog too Cinie, hope you always feel you are welcome here too.

lionpuma

BillieJo, I hate when people say shy like it’s a bad thing. I think everyone has their own personality and Murphy seems to be more perceptive and quiet and I think those are great leadership qualities.
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I certainly didn’t mean shy as a negative on Murphy. She is a dynamo behind the soft image.

((((((Nighty-night Pumas and sweet dreams))))))

I promise not to be so cranky tomorrow… Love ya Pumas…

July 12, 2009
Cheney Is Linked to Concealment of C.I.A. Project
By SCOTT SHANE
The Central Intelligence Agency withheld information about a secret counterterrorism program from Congress for eight years on direct orders from former Vice President Dick Cheney, the agency’s director, Leon E. Panetta, has told the Senate and House intelligence committees, two people with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.

The report that Mr. Cheney was behind the decision to conceal the still-unidentified program from Congress deepened the mystery surrounding it, suggesting that the Bush administration had put a high priority on the program and its secrecy.

Mr. Panetta, who ended the program when he first learned of its existence from subordinates on June 23, briefed the two intelligence committees about it in separate closed sessions the next day.

Efforts to reach Mr. Cheney through relatives and associates were unsuccessful.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/us/politics/12intel.html?_r=1&hp

easy to edit video almost seamlessly to the point of changini the actual sequential actions. Nanoseconds of vid mechanically spliced out sequentially over a given duration can change the context easily.

Palin is going to stay in politics. Sorry, Goofsmom, she isn’t going to stump just for all women no matter what. Her aim isn’t to get all females in government. She is one (like me) who believes that is doesn’t matter if you are in a female body or a male body, we are all humans; and she isn’t out to get females in no matter what they believe or think. Palin is a fiscal conservative and it was just released yesterday that she is going to be out stumping- for all candidates of conservative values, whether they be republican or democrat.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/12/palin-stump-conservative-democrats/
I’m not surprised at that. Palin is the anti-partisan candidate, and this is one reason the dems (and some repubs) hate her so much. But due to her not only having a proven history of fighting both dishonest repubs and dems, along with her well-known name, she is probably the only person who MIGHT be able to pull off running as an independent and get enough votes to overturn both partisan parties. Right now things are “ripe” for an independent, more so than any other time in my lifetime. People right now are getting more and disgusted with BOTH political parties. The tea parties I’ve been to people are against repub and dem. The few that I’ve seen who had a repub congressperson get up on the platform, they got booed. If a well-known person, who has a reputation of fighting evil in both parties, came out and stood up as an independent, and had some top brains working for her, I think she would have a very good chance in this environment right now. But even so she would need as many people “pulling” for her, and working for her behind the scenes, as she possibly could get- people like puma people.

seems to me maybe some obots are hiding their true identity

uh oh , I think they’re on to me ….

I must say, I’m about a C hair away from giving up on Puma. I don’t know if I’m being manipulatated from the right or the left. All I know is I’m tired of the self righteous know it alls who can’t seem to listen or understand others points of view. Maybe I just lack conviction or maybe I’m overworked and just need a break.

On the other hand, I have been enjoying calling the Nineteen. I would love to see us gain this one victory.

The rain has stopped and I must go. Snail mail on its way Murphy.

Who are you calling an obot?
If being anti republican and anti democratic parties and partisanship an obot, then I, as well as several others in puma, are. That is what I posted about Palin. She has a known reputation of going against corrupt republicans and dems both. Now she’s staying true to that by saying she will campaign for both republican and democrat candidates who are honest and fiscally conservative. Right now I, along with a lot of America (as well as many in puma) have it up to here (imagine me holding my hand above my head) with both repubs and dems! Why do you think Palin isn’t accepted by the republican “establishment”? Because they view her as a threat, just as the dems do, LOL.

As for electing “any female no matter who they are”, that is not a very wise move. Take Pelosi for example. Last I heard she was female (hmm… maybe there’s some doubt there after all about that), but I sure as heck won’t vote for that scumbag! Palin isn’t going around supporting “any female of any party no matter what they believe.” She is truly not only non-partisan but non gender-biased either. She wants women in, but is going to stump for any gender and any party who are truly for saving America from the mess we’re in.

I am NOT an obot, nor do I believe posting that is acting like one. Is being honest “acting like an obot” here?

morning everyone — I remember that debate so well — it was the turning point – that was the night Hillary was asked about drivers licenses for illegals for the State of New York. She got blasted.

Good Morning

Hope this helps with the did she or didn’t she debate appoint a pro choice judge to the Alaska State Supreme Court.

Palin Alaska Supreme Court Pick: 2nd Woman, Former Planned Parenthood Board Member
Palin bucks pressure from Conservative Christians in appoinrment.

http://themoderatevoice.com/26930/palin-supreme-court-pick-2nd-woman-former-planned-parenthood-board-member/

Islam sucks and so does Bill Ayers

dung heap where HE belongs.

Dances, I posted that because of the proximity of it to my post. Since there were so few posts on here this morning at that point, and it showed up so quickly after I posted that, I immediately came to the conclusion that is was aimed at me. If it wasn’t, I apologize.

2010 will be here before we know it. We need to get going on working to get as many of these idiots (both parties have idiots in congress) OUT of office in 2010. Do we even know, as of yet, who is running for sure? As soon as we hear someone declare for congress in 2010 we need to start positioning ourselves and getting ready for the fight of our lives. We thought 2008 POTUS was tough. I think that battle was just getting us practiced up for the even bigger fights we’re going to have ahead.

Hope ,
in that case why ask the question in the first place.

Anyway, many Pumas catch up with previous threads to stay current. Could have been the commenter was referring to earlier comments/rants/discussions/debates.

Most commenters aren’t shy about addressing other commenters directly. Often, commenters will submit a general comment that isn’t directed at a specific individual but expressed a desire or criticism or pov that she wants everyone to consider.

Assume nothing… political or interpersonal

HP 32

What we need is an Hypocrisy Czar who can assign hypocrisy levels ranging from 1-10 to simplify things for voters who, at this point, don’t know who to trust.

Personally I respect Sarah Palin, but believe others are free to support her or not. No problem. This week, however, columnist Kathleen Parker advised Palin to go back to Alaska and “stay put”. That, to me, IS a problem. Whatever we can do to fight MSM-ostracism of any female candidate is a critical concern.

Hope all is well in pumaland. Been more of a lurker lately, but I found this shocking:

Check out how cute and cuddly the new science czar John Holdren is:

Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A “Planetary Regime” with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology — informally known as the United States’ Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;

• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation’s drinking water or in food;

• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;

• People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” — in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.

• A transnational “Planetary Regime” should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans’ lives — using an armed international police force.

Impossible, you say? That must be an exaggeration or a hoax. No one in their right mind would say such things.

Well, I hate to break the news to you, but it is no hoax, no exaggeration. John Holdren really did say those things, and this report contains the proof. Below you will find photographs, scans, and transcriptions of pages in the book Ecoscience, co-authored in 1977 by John Holdren and his close colleagues Paul Ehrlich and Anne Ehrlich. The scans and photos are provided to supply conclusive evidence that the words attributed to Holdren are unaltered and accurately transcribed.

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

simofish 07.12.09 at 11:45 am

HP – I am convinced there are NO good people to elect. When I think about it – they are all coin operated. They are NOT about the people but about the lobbyist. They are about their own individual power.

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I agree Simo we have been banished to the wilderness…..the people with the money (our money) have taken control.
I wish to cripes we could get everyone to hunker down for as long as they can hold out and just say NO!
We are all between a rock and a hard place trying to hold on to jobs that are disappearing and getting screwed at every turn. THEY have put such fear in all that no one dares to say or do anything, it was their goal, they rule with economic fear. I have no political party, I trust no one, I have a gut full of hate for the men who lie their way into office and then rape and pillage America.

Hey, SilenceDoGood…did you see the latest national poll? Only 3% of scientists self-identify as Republicans! lol

I’d worry more about forced pregnancy under an Obama administration that is appointing prolifers and antiabortion activists to key positions in the party and in the government….except, i’m not gonna worry about it. it’s not my future reproductive rights on the line and if the O-generation cares about their own, let them do the heavy lifting. I’d be happy to cheer them on, after they decide it’s an issue they give a damn about.

I just popped in to say TGW has a couple of really good posts up, including one where Eugene Robinson is whining that Sarah Palin trapped the media into being too afraid to attack her for fear of being called sexist.

He says when they did manage to scrape up the *temerity* to criticize her she played the victim.

Is this many living in a bubble or what? How did he miss the porno “Naillin’ Palin” or the tee shirt “Sarah Palin is a cun#” Or the cartoons in the mainstream press of her squeezing the Bible between her exposed thighs?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070603141.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

There’s a contact email for Eugene at the end of his column if anyone wants to write to him. I have written to him before, praising him….i really like his human interest stories, especially those no one else was paying attention to. But he really missed the boat here, probably because he was too immersed to have seen the all-pervasive sexism. That is no excuse, though.

Silence#41

It’s possible Holdren’s hypotheses have changed over the course of thirty years. I know mine have. But, while I value what Cinie had to say recently on her blog about anti-feminists, I think Holdren-types have much more power than any anti-feminist group. If anything, I think the swing will be toward “mandatory” abortions in light of global warming and carbon footprints. And that is also a violation of reproductive rights. It’s a confusing mess.

Haha….”We can be the ones infiltrating our own parties!”

a la “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for” — only we’ll make that a substantial change as opposed to merely a slogan!!

OK, now this is weird…every time I try to post it warns me that it’s a duplicate post, and the one time it didn’t warn me, it actually turned out to be a duplicate!

That formatted weirdly. Trying again:

“Check out how cute and cuddly the new science czar John Holdren is:

Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A “Planetary Regime” with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?”
These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology — informally known as the United States’ Science Czar.”
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Murphy addressed this canard in a previous thread.

” It’s a confusing mess.”

Well put, antiem. I think this is why Al Gore simply left overpopulation out of the equation in his global warming warning.

But we’re just as likely to swing to the Handmaiden’s tale distopia. Either way it unfolds we’re going to have a battle on this, since there are entire religions out there who plan on getting their way by outnumbering everyone else…which actually will be disastrous for all.

Cool….thanks, dances….I am going to take off, despite the interesting conversation…too much to do!!!

Why Is a Leading Feminist Organization Lending Its Name to Support Escalation in Afghanistan?

By Sonali Kolhatkar and Mariam Rawi, AlterNet
Posted on July 8, 2009, Printed on July 12, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/141165/

Years ago, following the initial military success of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and the temporary fall of the Taliban, the people of Afghanistan were promised that the occupying armies would rebuild the country and improve life for the Afghan people.

Today, eight years after the U.S. entered Kabul, there are still piles of garbage in the streets. There is no running water.

There is only intermittent electricity in the cities, and none in the countryside. Afghans live under the constant threat of military violence.

The U.S. invasion has been a failure, and increasing the U.S. troop presence will not undo the destruction the war has brought to the daily lives of Afghans.

As humanitarians and as feminists, it is the welfare of the civilian population in Afghanistan that concerns us most deeply. That is why it was so discouraging to learn that the Feminist Majority Foundation has lent its good name — and the good name of feminism in general — to advocate for further troop escalation and war.

On its foundation Web site, the first stated objective of the Feminist Majority Foundation’s “Campaign for Afghan Women and Girls” is to “expand peacekeeping forces.”
more at the link above

http://feminist.org/

HopePuma
I didn’t know Obama was for her. That doesn’t sound good, LOL. Although I do like the fact that she didn’t stop her speech to answer O’s call. BillieJo #9 Of course I know you weren’t using it as negative, I’m talking about anti Puma people.

((((MURPHY)))) Don’t be gloomy.

Critics target recipients of six-figure public pensions

Organization posts the names and incomes of 5,100 retirees in California who receive annual pensions of $100,000 or more. A judge denied pensioners’ request to block publication of such information.

By Patrick McGreevy
July 12, 2009
Reporting from Sacramento — Some Californians, angry that taxes have just gone up, IOUs are being issued and the state may be on its way over a cliff, find few things more infuriating than a big benefits package enjoyed by a government worker.

So some of the 5,100 state and local government retirees who draw more than $100,000 annually are trying to lie low, preferring that the details of their receipts be kept private. And they have asked the courts for help.

States still need to come up with $731 billion for long-term benefits

They have been prodded by the labors of an advocacy group that has made it a mission to inform the public of every dollar the retirees are paid. The organization, the California Foundation for Fiscal Responsibility, has an online database that includes the name and annual payout of every retiree in the six-figure club.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-me-public-pensions12-2009jul12,0,2407747.story

RE my statement that Obama wants Gillibrand to run unopposed, here are a couple links. I saw quite a few when I did a search, just pulled up a couple of the first ones on the list:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-05-27/columns/obama-the-political-fixer-works-new-york-s-senate-primary&page=1

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/Obama_clears_field_for_Gillibrand_in_New_York.html?showall

As I said earlier, anybody who Obama wants to run unopposed runs all kinds of “red flags” up in my mind about them. It’s up to each individual puma what you think, but if O is openly campaigning for them, I’m (personally) not going to be very excited about voting for them or supporting them. That is totally separate from Gillibrand herself, or what her positions are on anything; this is simply “If Obama is working hard to keep her in, there’s something there that I don’t know about that makes me (personally) very very suspicious.”

Simofish, knuckle bump…

hopepuma: What do you think about Maloney challenging Gillibrand? Now I see this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/07/10/2009-07-10_rep_carolyn_maloney_holds_off_on_senate_run_announcement_to_accomodate_bill_clin.html

murphy 07.12.09 at 1:29 pm

I mean really. It’s not like the cardinals are STUPID. They must know that population growth could kill us all. Can they be that stupid?

eh.
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I don’t think the Catholic church gives a ratsass about overpopulation Murph, what they care about are increased numbers of Catholics = more power to the guys in the Funny Golden Hats up top. If Catholicism raises it’s numbers to the majority on the planet, they see themselves as being the ruling religion. (I am an ex-catholic so I feel qualified to speak on this one.) Heh.
It’s all about power and greed. Check out the Vatican and you will see what it stands for with riches dripping from it’s ceiling and walls while trying to shoo away poor beggars outside it’s walls. Even made it’s own little plot of land its own independent territory, to keep from having to give some of it’s wealth to the rest of Italy.

“Vatican City en-us-Vatican City.ogg /ˈvætɪkən ˈsɪti/ (help·info), officially the State of the Vatican City (Italian: Stato della Città del Vaticano),[10] is a landlocked sovereign city-state whose territory consists of a walled enclave within the city of Rome, the capital city of Italy. At approximately 44 hectares (110 acres) (0.44 km2), and with a population of around 900, it is the smallest country in the world by both area and population”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City

Should it surprise anyone that Obama feels a candidate should run unopposed it is after all how he”won” his own Senate seat!!! LOL

He proved if no one runs against you
You win. Then he went on to prove you do not have to be on the ballott to win.
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Thanks CJK! Voted, for what it’s worth!

hi been a while but still checking in.
I for one am happy to hear about palin. so blather on about her.
anybody but obama is the mantra the whole country should chant.
I am convinced even having bush2 as presidentfor a third term is better than the dope we have now.

still love Hill and hope she runs again but palin so far sounds like a very reasonable second choice.

There has been a lot of breaking news coming out recently – African news site says Obama visiting Africa, “the continent of his birth” http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103638 you’d think mister transparency himself would let us see all of his records.

2PumaSisters- ssshhhh…. I agree with you (whispered).

#60 HopePuma, if Obama is indeed telling people not to run against Gillibrand, it would be a FIRST for him sticking up for a woman candidate…but then again, it’s another woman who plans on giving her the biggest challenge.

HopePuma: I’m reading Maloney’s book right now and she seems pretty awesome. This book is a great reference book as well. She lists tons of women’s groups and gives guidelines on how to help women in or out of politics. She is all for promoting women in politics which is why I found it a bit odd for her to run against Hillibrand. The book is called “Rumors of our Progress have been Greatly Exaggerated.

#62 murphy, brava and ditto: “… first of all, who gives a rat’s ass? ”

Indeed.

“..and I went right for the conection to the baseball team!”

haha, dances! I once asked a young kid if he liked pirates, and he immediately thought I meant the baseball team!

I don’t know what happened to the gretawire poll question re ‘who do you think will be the 2012 GOP presidential nominee?’ but it has been taken down, and now there’s some lame poll question re ‘who do you think is the most talented actor?’ What the heck is going on with greta? First, she posts some B.S. about the BO ‘bottom ogling’ photo as being a lie, and now she takes down a poll that had Palin and Romney almost neck and neck as the likely 2012 GOP presidential nominee. I think either someone is hacking her blog, there’s an obot snake on her staff or she’s caving to some kind of pressure. Anyway, ignore my comment #80 re the poll. The one I meant is gone…

I found Maloney’s book at my library and here is the subtitle:
why women’s lives aren’t getting any easier–and how we can make real progress for ourselves and our daughters / Congresswoman, Carolyn B. Maloney

Murphy, #78

Thanks for that link to SoD’s article re the Cap n Trade bill being just another big Wall St. Payday. Yep, looks like Al Gore and BO stand to gain ginormous amounts of cash from the bill (Gore from investments, BO from contributions from cronies getting rich off the bill), which will do zip to address global warming or actually stimulate viable green energy research and development. Al Gore is not only co-founder of Generation Investment Management (GIM), he’s also a partner in Kleiner Perkins Canfield & Byers, a venture capital firm, and a co-founder with Jeffrey Skoll of Capricorn Investments Group.