Sunday Night Open Thread

#1? Goodie! I was looking for an excuse to donate.

Oh, Murphy I just got it…. “favourite”… Yes, I agree DWP would never make a typo like that….. great fireworks display… Thank You!!!!!!!!!!! And, the Cupcakes too….

Here, here are some typos for yous:
damn voi nel nome di Gesù, Giuseppe e Maria

CC
LOL!
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Got it!

Just doing some trolling in the internet during a quiet time in the news. I ran across this story about Palin that I thought was very interesting. Some quotes from it are:
“Palin enters the arena where the fight is not between liberal and conservative; nor is it between Republican and Democrat. The fight is between elite and the common person who works every day and continually asks how Washington D.C., under both parties, is so out of control.”
and
“Nobody is better positioned, as a candidate or commentator, to take on the elites and the nonsense they put forward.

What an irony if the only American President who can make a 3 point shot were taken out by a point guard who came up to his shoulder. And if the guard was a chick — who went to a no name school?”

This story is at: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/sarah_palin_all_in.html

I have been enjoying the cupcakes and fireworks and I got lost over at violets. So very fascinating as to why women who claim to be feminist are the ones bashing Sarah.Many are the ones spreading the rumours on purpose and not giving her a chance, many are repeating the talking points of the hacks without checking out the truth.

This women hating baffled me with Hillary and really has me baffled again.

What is it? How can you claim to be a feminist and spread rumours that cause another woman harm?

Sunday Night Open Thread
by Paddy_OBloggin on July 5, 2009
Time for a topic change.

Excerpted Letter to the Editor:
Re “Political Shifts on Gay Rights Are Lagging Behind Culture” (Political Memo, front page, June 28):

Since his election, President Obama has had unprecedented opportunities to lead and educate on civil rights for gay Americans. His response has been alternately silent, glib, clumsy, indifferent, condescending and cavalier. In his administration’s brief supporting the Defense of Marriage Act, the tone was antagonistic.
Continued:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/opinion/l05gay.html?_r=1&hpw

Cross-posted at PumapAC’s forum: Prop Hate

Interesting article on the “Second Stimulus”
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/07/second-stimulus-plan.html

The unemployment analysis sits there like a large pink elephant with FAILURE written on it. I mean, unemployment is such a major factor, that there is no way they can claim anything else. The Market stopped disintegrating but sure has not recovered and could easily go into another decline. Maybe that is why they do not want to talk too much about the large pink elephant and what it means.

I just do not understand how they could think that a second “stimulus” will work when the first did not? Isn’t that the definition of insanity…doing the same thing that did not work before.

The stimulus funds have simply just not reached the places they need to get to to stimulate the economy. They never did have the financial infrastructure to disseminate the funds appropriately (in other words, they do not know what they are doing). That is how they end up in the pockets of the grafters. Somehow, the grafters in office do not seem to mind.

They will not succeed unless they start investing in the American People. That is what H would have done. But these rubes in office just don’t get it.

Good night to all Pumas!!!

I still think that if they had given each American $50,000 it would have cost the country less, and it would have gone towards paying off those mortgages and back into the economy. Giving that money to the big corporations is just going to the bigwigs and corporate jets and parties and not helping things one iota. Or, just leave everything alone and it would have eventually worked itself out. The $50,000 would have been nice though.

PumaBear, just as HP said downstairs, the point of it is to get away from party platforms and “inherited” congress seats (Like the Kennedy’s for example), and for “We The People”. Palin is more like “one of us” than she is like the Kennedy “family” or Bush “family”. She’s like “the common person”. That was the point in that article. Did you read it?

Busy day tomorrow. Goodnight pumas.

FLBarbara…. YOU are sooo right…. I too hope for that day!! No, I am not that tough… Just hell bent and determined!!!!!!!!!!! And, I will not continue to put up with all of this sexist shit!!!!!!! Period!!!! Oh, glad you like the music… Thanks, and I want to say a Big THANK YOU for all that YOU do….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKaZ1Smgmlo How very sad….

FLBarbara…. Have a wonderful night… Yes. Please watch the Youtube tommorrow….It is very good… And, very much of what you are doing….. good night… and, remember…. tomorrow is another day!!!!!!!!!!

persephone #289 previous thread 7-5-09

I added my name to that petition. Thank you for posting the link. This is the kind of thing I want to spend my PUMA-time doing.
I’ll send the link to friends and family.

Thanks again!

HopePuma, I don’t go person by person in politics unless those persons are fairly close on the issues I value. To me it’s a no brainer whether or not to choose Trent Lott over Nancy Pelosi. I can’t stand Nancy on a lot of things but I would vote for Gumby before I’d vote for Trent Lott. Same for Palin. If she doesn’t share my values, at least most of them, I have no reason to vote for her, support her and certainly not put her on a pedestal.

I am not a Republican. I might have been a Republican when it was possible for a Republican to be a liberal. In today’s climate-no way.
I don’t go person by person in politics like I don’t go article by article in my political reading habits. I usually know the outrageous political persuasion of a publication by (yes)the cover or skimming the titles. If it’s a right wing thing I look to see what “they” are thinking or persuading not what I am thinking. If it’s a leftie thing and it’s all over Obama, I’m done. It’s as easy as that. There are plenty of things to read without getting immersed in the dull but belligerent squalls of the propagandists.

CJK #4

Thanks for that important information.
I’m telling everyone I know about this Shar-iah compliant finance and and Kevin Murrey’s Establishment Clause lawsuit.

Keep up the great work CJK.
Going to visit those links in a minute, hope the one from Fox News is actual T.V. coverage of this issue.

Palin represents a chance to really change the political order .
If the child of teachers can reach the White House without big money sponsers or family conections, that is the ideal of citizen office holders the founders wanted .
Consider how a woman president from the republican side would end the conventional wisdom that only one party has a lock on The Womens Vote. Imagine if BOTH parties had to earn really EARN womens votes.
Also imagine her example to opressed women around the world .

Most women in these oppressive societies probably dont understand the issues in American politics , however imagine showing them that a mother of five married to a manual larborer can become president of a superpower .

Juliette 07.06.09 at 12:50 am

Thanks for noticing, Juliette. I think this issue is more important than most people seem to realize. My links may not be the absolute best, but I think the concepts remain valid, nonetheless. I’ll continue my research and contine to post what I discover. I’m hoping the Murray vs feds/AIG suit grows to include the ‘sharia-compliant’ banks and other entities that received TARP funds. IMO, there is no way that any company receiving hard-earned American taxpayer dollars (to bail them out because of their own incompetence) should be blatantly promoting a particular religion by ‘complying’ with its dogma. (Taxpayer dollars should never have been used to bail out private firms to begin with, IMO.) Moreover, how do we know that these big banks and other firms didn’t get in trouble to begin with largely BECAUSE of the complicated deals they had to put together to ‘comply with sharia law?’

CapeHatteras,
Palin IS the political order. She ran as the V.P. for McCain and stood by the principles he espoused. What has she said since that undercuts her campaign stands?

I’m no longer impressed with interesting “biographies”. We should have gotten over that with Obama. Biographies are so doctored and phonied up they mean nothing by the time an individual is selected to represent a Party. What would you now make of the fact that Nixon was the child of lower middle class Quakers from Whittier? Pretty much nothing except he ran from that history like his pants were on fire.

How about Johnson? How about How about Andrew Jackson, he ran on a populist “I am one of you” platform.

Having money or not having it means nothing either as Roosevelt will attest.

As I said, I am only interested in a candidates values as they are relevant to me and as they contrast with those of the competitor. That’s it.

Most women in these oppressive societies probably dont understand the issues in American politics , however imagine showing them that a mother of five married to a manual larborer can become president of a superpower .
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CapeHatteras, women in many countries, even Pakistan, have already had a woman as head of state. They probably wonder what’s taking us so long. And they are pretty sophisticated, some of them more than us, and understand American politics very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZegHk4qDaQ

Queen of scat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbL9vr4Q2LU&feature=related

Okay. I guess I can take a hint. Time to take my ‘one-note samba’ and get some sleep…

you’re = your

Libby #50

“Did you ever read about the disaster Obama and friends left in Chicago before he was elected Pres?”
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Your right Libby. The evidence was all there and Fox unfortunately got on the story a little too late and still has not covered all of the dirt. Obama left Illinois’s 13th district in a hell of a mess. He left his pal Tony Resko to take the heat.
I was as mesmerized by Obama as most people were after he gave the key note speech at the democratic convention in 2004. That is why I did not write him off and began to study his record. Quite a disillusionment followed of course.

I hope we can all work together to stop Obama from turning America into something that resembles Illinois 13th district.

I don’t know if anyone has posted this yet so I apologize if this is a duplicate.

I believe that it is important to support this eligibility bill.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102837

July 7, 2009
Ethnic Clashes in Western China Are Said to Kill Scores
By EDWARD WONG
BEIJING — The Chinese state news agency reported Monday that at least 140 people were killed and 816 injured when rioters clashed with the police in a regional capital in western China after days of rising tensions between Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese.

The casualty toll, if confirmed, would make this the deadliest outbreak of violence in China in many years.

The rioting broke out Sunday afternoon in a large market area of Urumqi, the capital of the vast, restive desert region of Xinjiang, and lasted for several hours before riot police officers and paramilitary or military troops locked down the Uighur quarter of the city, according to witnesses and photographs of the riot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/world/asia/07china.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print

What in the world have the Republicans and certainly the right wing of the Republicans ever done for me?
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Someone asked this up thread and I say nothing but shit.
Then I as a OLD time, middle of the road Dem ask the same thing of them, and that too is SHIT!
As women we have been thrown scraps like the dogs they ALL perceive us to be……they will even let the barbarians from Islam have at us!! Islam sucks, be very afraid!
I guess I might feel a bit better fighting off the right wing christian fanatics as more manageable than Islamist extremists!
A graphic stoning picture puts the reality front and center.

FBI says ‘no truth’ to online Palin rumors
The FBI gave a rare response to rampant Internet rumors, saying it is not investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on public corruption charges. FBI Special Agent Eric Gonzalez said, “There is just no truth to those rumors out there in the blogosphere.”

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/06/sarah.palin.fbi/index.html
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What we know:
Sarah Palin is resigning as Governor of Alaska.
The FBI is not investigating Sarah Palin.
/end

good morning HP and DWP who’s got coffee?

Skipping coffee this morning. Want to be as dulled as possible to ward off palin political fantasies, speculation, psychic readings, etc.

thanks murphy heehee!

a friend sent me one of those ann taintor cards featuring a smiling 50′s housewife complete with beehived hairdo and horn-rimmed glasses.

the caption is “i spit a little in his coffee every day!”

Criticism of Sarah as a quitter can be challenged by the following example:
Thomas Jefferson, during a time when the patriots were going through battles with England, took a bold step. He served in the 2nd Continental Congress from June 20, 1775 to the fall of that year. He “shocked his colleagues by suddenly resigning from Congress” and returned home to Virginia. There were two reasons for this action. One was two recent deaths in his family and lingering illness of his wife. The second reason was for the greater good of the nation. It was his hope that “somehow he might guide Virginia (the largest of the states) so that her example might be a model for the other states” in preparation for the reformation after the conclusion of the war.
He needed to prepare for an example of how a state could deal with the freedom that would come when the war was won. He turned down an appointment to serve as a commissioner for the US in Paris and proceeded to get himself elected to the state assembly in Williamsburg. He flooded the Virginia House of Delegates with new bills that would eradicate ancient or future aristocracy– ” a foundation laid for a government truly republican.” He wanted to protect the rights of the people” before “they will forget themselves” and their rights forgotten. He later was elected Governor of Virginia in 1779. His drafts served as a frame of reference for the reformation. We know he was later elected President of the United States. His quitting the Continental Congress benefited the United States for the greater good and didn’t destroy his political career. So, Sarah, you stand in good company!!!

HP I’m on my way over! ( i wish, must work today!)

check out THIS story:

US-Russian Arms Negotiators “Under the Gun,” Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Ratification for Treaty

MOSCOW — With the clock running out on a new US-Russian arms treaty before the previous Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START, expires on December 5, a senior White House official said Sunday said that the difficulty of the task might mean temporarily bypassing the Senate’s constitutional role in ratifying treaties by enforcing certain aspects of a new deal on an executive levels and a “provisional basis” until the Senate ratifies the treaty.

read the rest:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/us-russian-arms-negotiators-under-the-gun-might-temporarily-bypass-senate-ratification-for-treaty.html

Until Sarah Palin speaks out about what Sarah Palin is going to do, I’m not going to engage in speculation. I’ve read through all the comments about Sarah Palin, and I think it boils down to this:

What WE “don’t” know about Sarah Palin:

- whether she’ll be running for any political office, working for a news show or staying home to raise her kids. IOW, what her real reason was for leaving her seat. She has put the state of Alaska in capable hands, so there’s no problem with her resignation, as far as I can see.

What WE DO know.

- We may or may NOT support her in a presidential run, if she chooses to take that path. Everyone can make that judgment for themselves based on the FACTS that they learn in the future about Sarah Palin. The FACTS only – not stuff that the Obots pull out of their ass every half hour and gaze at longingly, trying to mold it into ammunition.

- Whether I share the same beliefs with her or not, I will support her RIGHT to run as a woman without all the sexism, misogyny and attacks on her children and I will judge her based on what she has DONE (ie, bills she has passed, or legislation she supports or what SHE SAYS. I will defend her against the mysogynistic attacks and stand up for her right to run for a political office and defend her right to espouse her views.

Last thing – I’m always amused when the Obots call her an idiot, c***, b*****, etc. They call her these things, yet SHE was the Governor of Alaska – - wonder what they’ve ever accomplished?

We can speculate (which is *fun* sometimes), but wastes valuable time when we have OneBigAssMistakeAmerica in the White House trying to drive legislation down our throats or up the other collective end, if you know what I mean ,that will bankrupt our country for generations to come.

That said, I’m warming up my fax machine and stretching my fingers….time to start hammering the Senate on …well, everything.

HP #72

Obama’s website carefully removed the Thomas/Reid video, leaving a big gaping hole in the archives.

Like dominoes, it has now disappeared from other sites that had linked to it.
But they can’t scrub them all…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q37kt0ga0OA

the caption is “i spit a little in his coffee every day!”

Or the cream…….had a boss needed that every day.

correction: Gibbs kept trying to BLOW Reid off. LOL

BCL
Loved it when Helen Thomas said: … worse than Nixon…
LOL!

EMAIL YOUR QUESTION!!!………….the buffoon kept laughing and dancing as all good lackeys in the Admin do…but this is no joke! We are not laughing and you are to glib Gibbs.

I have to go feed my grandkitty while her family is out of town. BBL

DWP #80, I just downloaded and saved the Reid/Thomas video from YouTube.

LJSN
Excellent!! It’ll be safe until ogimmeabreak appoints a czar to inspect our harddrives.

LJSN
I’ll be in touch with you via email late this afternoon.
Thanks again.

Juliette–

PUMABear’s and my comments to you are not hostile; they’re skeptical. You’re claiming authority on Islam without telling us why we should accept that authority. You say you’ve “spent time” in four unnamed Middle Eastern countries. What do you mean by “spent time?” Visits? Semester abroad? Layovers in airports?

Now you’re telling us that you’ve not only “studied” Islam but in effect practiced it. Unfortunately, that’s not consistent with the misinformation you’ve been presenting here.

You seem to have similar problems defining your attitude toward Obama. On the one hand, you say you supported Dennis Kucinich, easily the most liberal/left of the Democratic primary candidates. Yet you label Obama, who is a corporate capitalist well to the right of Obama, as a “communist.” (Though you’ve also called him an “oligarch,” which is pretty much the opposite of a communist.)

Given your inconsistencies and misinformation, I don’t think it’s out of line to ask you to tell us why we should trust you and not our lyin’ eyes.

DWP, now THAT is service!

The United States of Goldman Sachs posted,

take it upstairs!

Waterpanther #93

I never claimed to be an authority on anything and whether or not you or Pumabear choose to believe that I am knowledgeable on the practises and laws of Islam doesn’t matter to me in the least. I just won’t allow my comments to be twisted or to be multiplied into some kind of hater.
As for Oligarchy v. Communism. In evey communist country a hand full of select people remained much more well offf than the population at large. Obama learned how to manipulate the poor from Rev. Wright. His tactics are text book Saul Alinski and most evident in the lefts attacks and dismisal of Sarah Palin as stupid, a hick etc. etc.. Obama is a politician who political facade is pretty much the flavor of the day, that is until, he gets elected. He has excellerated the growth of government to resemble the communist model, but these days the government and big business are devoult bed fellows. Communism and Oligarchy can no longer be considered opposites when big government and big business Oligarchs are married to each other.
I posted links for you and Pumabear so you can see how Shii-ah Muslims often hold their hands in prayer. My comment to Air force was just a tounge in check responce to his post about Obama’s figure being added to Disney’s hall of presidents. Your responce to my comment has been a a bit extreme. Participating in any Muslim pracise for the sake of learning does not make you a Muslim. I have prayed with my Jewish friends at Saders, that doesn’t make me jewish. My comments about Islam have all been correct. If you want to larn about Islam through a google search fine. I learned by temporary immersion into that faith and that world. I was not looking for anyhting negative in that world, but what I found was beyond negative.

Waterpanther #100

My links didn’t show what they I said they did.
I suggest you look at them again.