I love Rancho’s slogan, “NOW Is THEN, and PUMA Is NOW!” Her comment:
“NOW is meeting this weekend:
http://www.now.org/organization/conference/2009/
Note the agenda . . . Start the day with Yoga!, then Saturday night vote for a a new president (7:00-9:00). Kim Gandy is stepping down.I still think Greta should do a special on feminism. The timing is perfect! The topic could be “Should NOW be called THEN,” or “What is 21st Century Feminism, and what are the issues women want addressed TODAY.”
Alice Paul and company broke from the mainstream conservative women’s-rights movement (headed up by Carrie Chapman Catts),and created a more radical wing! Let’s do it!”
Was sporadically involved in a conversation over at Violet Sox’s place about defining the Fourth Wave of Feminism. My new, working definition of feminism is:
“Feminism is human existence as lived by women.”
One common, and widely held definition of feminism and feminists is that it is the effort of people who struggle for women’s rights and women’s equality. In the United States we tend to automatically include the women of the Gulabi Gang in India or those women in Iran who have been inspired by Zahra Rahnavard to fight for a stronger political voice in the worldwide Feminist Movement. Uh-oh. So long as us Western women keep several thousand miles and several hundred years of social development between us and them, we’ll probably be okay and not have to confront any jarring contradictions. We’ll also remain open to the (very fair) accusation of being rich white elitists hopelessly removed from the every-day concerns and struggles of regular women (sounds familiar to the common complaint of Conservative American women about how liberal women treat them, no?).
For example, consider for a moment that Zhara Rahnavard strongly supports the tradition of Islamic women covering themselves for modesty. Rural Indian peasants likely have preposterously unenlightened views about “women’s work,” the “public/private spheres,” dowries, and child marriage. Your average Iranian or Indian feminist is likely 10 TIMES more conservative and backwards than someone like Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann. In the previous link, Rahnavard expresses her disdain for Western feminists who ignore women’s natural duty to their children and domesticity. Hmmm. . . So do we kick out Iranian feminists along with Sarah Palin? Or do we condescend to allow Rhanavard until she “knows better.” And if so, why don’t we extend the same patience to Palin? Can we talk to the Gulabi Gang as feminists or only as condescending Westerners? Because as soon as we try to talk to them as feminists, using the old definitions and assumptions, they’re likely to tell us to take a hike so they can get back to getting dinner ready or donning their hijabs so they can go grocery shopping.
So far, I like my definition. It excludes no one — no nationality or political party or culture. Well, except for one obvious group: men. Men cannot live the human experience as women. This keeps them out. Just like my white skin excludes me from being a member of the black civil rights movement, or the Native American civil rights movement. I can support their agenda — donate time and money, but I can’t suffer the injustices they suffer and I can’t really know their experience. So, Men: Thanks for all the support, please keep it coming. (If you detect a note of sarcasm, please just ignore it.) I’ll keep testing my definition against what I read and see, but until then,
Feminism is the human experience as lived by women.
Speaking of which, Rancho has also been keeping the fire burning for the Alice Paul Congressional Gold Medal. Contact your representative and ask them to co-sponsor this non-controversial and very meaningful measure to give Alice Paul and the legacy of the Woman’s Party the credit they so richly deserve.
Read the bill HERE. And contact your rep HERE. Use this letter as is, courtesy of Rancho, or edit it as you see fit.
Dear Congressman,
I am your constituent and respectfully request that you consider co-sponsoring HR 406, which would award a Congressional Gold Medal to Alice Paul, an instrumental woman in the struggle for American women’s Constitutional right to vote.
Currently HR406 has only 113 co-sponsors, and it will NOT be moved to the floor of the House for a vote until it has 290, which would be 290 of the total 430 representatives. When legislation on this bill was initiated in the previous Congress, it garnered near unanimous, bipartisan support with 406 co-sponsors.
You can read the text of the bill here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.406:
Currently, the breakdown of Co-Sponsors is:
-96 Democrats
-14 Republicans (2 are women)I’m asking you to please show your support to 51% of the American voting population (women) by recognizing Alice Paul’s impact on our country. I’m asking you to please consider co-sponsoring this bill as MY representative. I’m asking you to PLEASE represent ME, and all women in your district by being part of that bipartisan support!
Respectfully,
Your Name and Address
Also in comments, invalidresponse provided these moving videos that are zipping around the internet. Very persuasive, both in their use of irony AND in their sincerely sentimental appeal. SHARE them!
Oh, and Dan Froomkin, the guy who introduced me to blogging WAAAY back in 2001, was fired from the Washington Post yesterday. Read all about it HERE. What a shame.



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simofish 06.19.09 at 1:38 pm
have we come very far ??
http://www.billsretroworld.com/RETROLIFE.HTM
I want the Siamese Cat Lamps !!!!
murphy 06.19.09 at 1:45 pm
PROWL done. Took me two minutes to contact Rep. Tsongas and ask her to co-sponsor the bill. Those links in the post really work!
then i had to email her back and ask her WHY she doesn’t have “Women’s Issues” as a category in her list of constituent issues on her web form, a la Susie1945 (or was it webbie?)
either way — inexcusable!
murphy 06.19.09 at 1:46 pm
oh, and THANKS Rancho!!!
Have a GREAT vacation!!
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 1:51 pm
Are invalid’s links to the righteous videos posted or ar ethey just not showing up on this goofy computer?
webfoot 06.19.09 at 1:53 pm
mornin’ murphy-don’t know if I was the one that posted the question about listing women’s issues on the list of constituent issues. You do have me pegged though, because I do question that very point whenever I write to someone.
Regarding definitions of feminism, I found this website awhile ago. Today’s topic is a good day to post the link:
http://www.megaessays.com/essay_search/definition_feminism.html
webfoot 06.19.09 at 1:54 pm
Will be back later to join the discussion. My husband has advised me that I’ve worn out the keyboard for the computer so we are off to buy a new one. I guess a year plus of firing off all those emails was a bit much the poor keyboard.
Susie1945 06.19.09 at 1:55 pm
Hi Murphy – must’ve been webbie – do we know the names of the reps suporting? I know Klobuchar signed on & I think a couple of others had too – where can I find who the 96 dems and 14 reps are?
Also just heard on the news – Burris won’t be charged – prosecutors said not enough evidence – honestly now – did anybody really think there would be any charges – this is Illinois after all – what the hell is wrong with the people in that state – do they really think it’s a great honor to be so corrupt? Not much there to be proud of I’m thinking but that’s just me………
Heard Jindal is trying to clean up Louisiana – maybe Illinois could do the same thing – nah – no more pay to play – bambi & his buddies would go nuts……………..
ACORN gets to play with the census money – Michelle Bachman – my rep for my district is repub but she says as far as census is concerned – she’s only gonna tell them how many people live in her house – original census only called for count of people -she’s really radical right wing but I agree with her on this – $5000 fine or not – come get me…………..
I like the slogan too – BTW murphy – did you get any response from Greta?????
Susie1945 06.19.09 at 1:57 pm
I remember sending postcards to a list of congress critters for Alice Paul………..
Rancho 06.19.09 at 2:04 pm
Susie1945
“Where can I find who the 96 dems and 14 reps are?”
Here is the link: http://thomas.loc.gov/
click in bubble, Bill # then type in HR 406
THANK YOU SO MUCH MURPHY, particularly for tolerating my persistence! Must go now, last minute stuff.
Will try to check in tonight.
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 2:05 pm
Murphy – Funny – I guess it was me who commented about ‘women’s issues’. Not surprising that you were confused – twice yesterday I repackaged what webfoot had said earlier!
murphy 06.19.09 at 2:05 pm
Susie, right here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR00406:@@@P
(the link to the bill in the post also has links to every last thing you could ever want to know about HR 406. And any other bill in Congress. I love Thomas.gov)
dances, sorry I think it’s just you.
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 2:06 pm
Rancho – have a great time and thanks for your persistence
Puma-SF 06.19.09 at 2:13 pm
NOW is so yesterday. Prowl done.
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 2:16 pm
Murphy, I am reposting this from the post before last (Another Edition Of)
When I went back just now I realized how much effort CJK had put into posting about the Walpin issue. We sleepy felines on the blog last night were too tired to show the enthusiasm teh post desrved. CJK is busy today with life’s necessities, so here’s one of the posts:
[CJK 06.18.09 at 9:08 pm
Hey, murphy. What do you think about a prowl re the Walpin firing? My rationale is that we need to combat ageism with the same vigor that we combat sexism, as we did re the Letterman remarks about Gov. Palin and her daughter. We know BO’s really firing Walpin because 1) MO wants control of Americorps and its parent corporation and 2) because Walpin’s investigation dug up dirt on BO supporter Kevin Johnson and 3) because Walpin’s investigation in the past dug up dirt on MO in Chicago. Also, we know that two other federal IGs have been mysteriously fired in recent weeks. But, the rationale BO’s using for firing Walpin is that Walpin’s “confused,” “disoriented,” and may lack “capacity to continue to serve,” i.e., senile. This is the same kind of ageist, elder-hating, xenophobic code that BO used in the primary against Hillary and in the general against McCain. It’s just as unconstitutional to discriminate against or fire someone because of their age, as to discriminate against or fire them because of their gender, race, etc. Bigotry is bigotry, and IMO, it’s time to start calling BO and the bots on it every time they do it. Perhaps we might e-mail WH Counsel Gregory Craig with BCCs to Sen. Charles Grassley, R, Iowa; Rep. Darrel Issa, R, Calif.; Sen. Claire McCaskill, D, Missouri; and organizations such as AARP. Thoughts? Thanks.]
scarlet 06.19.09 at 2:19 pm
US Troops Out of Iraqi Cities? Think Again
Just last week, within a 48-hour news period, readers were treated to two diametrically opposed headlines, one touting “U.S. Forces Out of Iraqi Cities by June 30,” the other, the very next day, “U.S. Wants Sadr City Base Open After Deadline.” Both quote U.S. military brass directly, albeit two different generals, but the whipsawing here suggests someone up top is taking it for granted that Americans – particularly that flighty media – aren’t paying much attention to Iraq at all.
One thing is clear: despite Obama’s assurances in Cairo to the contrary, there will be U.S. combat troops all over the capital city of Baghdad, on the outskirts, and based just outside if not within the cities of Ramadi, Basra, Mosul, and others, after June 30. As Maj. Gen. David Perkins said in April, “We don’t want to rush failure here. This isn’t just, we’re going home. We’re just moving” (to other areas of Iraq).
http://original.antiwar.com/vlahos/2009/06/10/us-troops-out-of-iraqi/
Susie1945 06.19.09 at 2:20 pm
Well, guess I will be adding an additional little statement to the congress critters – tried to send letter via email to house rep from MN but not my district and had to enter my zip code and got a message saying no authorization to send email – well screw that – he’s from Minnesota and the fucker represents all of Minnesota – not just his district – remember when Feinstein & Pelosi & others all said – we don’t represent you – no email access for you – bullshit – these gd idiots need to be told over and over and over again – they WORK FOR US – if I wanna send them an email – they better damm well accept it………
I’m workin on a PROWL to every single one of those congress critters telling them to be very careful – elections are coming up & they could be polishing resumes………I’m serious – these people are acting like they are so far above us little people & treat us like fuckin’ little kids – ya know – we know what’s best for you – in a pig’s eye……………
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 2:21 pm
Scarlet and VTcat
Thanks for posts re Walpin. Political Courage? Give us a break.
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 2:30 pm
Susie1945
I understand your frustration. In fact my personal’issues’ campaign began when I noticed that Pelosi (not my Rep but she certainly represents CA and all of us, for that matter) did not list women’s issues as a topic of importance……
It’s all about getting re-elected by your own constituency
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 2:31 pm
A whole lotta crap is about to happen in the news:
Iran’s Ruling Cleric Warns of Bloodshed if Protests Persist:
Sharply increasing the level of confrontation, he said that opposition leaders would be “responsible for bloodshed and chaos” if they did not stop further rallies in protest of last week’s disputed presidential election. He called for all sides to halt any violence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/world/middleeast/20iran.html?_r=1&hp
‘Cleric” WTF, more a rabid murderer. Gotta give these voters kudos for standing up to their gov. when it means putting their lives on the line.
—–
and if that story doesn’t move you, how about this one?
U.S. Military Set to Intercept North Korean Ship Suspected of Proliferating Missiles, Nukes
The USS John McCain, a navy destroyer, will intercept the ship Kang Nam as soon as it leaves the vicinity off the coast of China, according to a senior U.S. defense official.
:snip:
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday the military is “watching” that situation “very closely,” and would have “some concerns” if North Korea launched a missile in the direction of Hawaii. But he expressed confidence in U.S. ability to handle such a launch.
Gates said he’s directed the deployment of the Theater High Altitude Area Defense, a mobile missile defense system used for knocking down long- and medium-range missiles.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/19/military-set-intercept-north-korean-ship-suspected-proliferatin-missiles-nukes/
——— What else could go wrong all at once???
Nothing like having Baracko in the drivers seat.
Wish I could pull the covers over my head and wake up when Hillary is President.
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 2:42 pm
Olive Garden
Just this minute received this email:
June 19, 2009
Dear XXXXX:
Thank you for contacting us and sharing your views.
Our advertising on The Late Show with David Letterman ended earlier this month. We take all guest concerns seriously. And, as always, we will factor those concerns in as we plan our advertising schedule in the future.
Sincerely,
Sherri Bruen
Guest Relations Manager
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My interpretation of this, despite what is being reported, is that Olive Garden did not necessarily take a stand but the contract happened to lapse at a very convenient time. Perhaps they will (or not) renew it. Probably will depend on their impression of public concern at the time.
Sunshinelvr 06.19.09 at 2:43 pm
I think we should write a formal letter of dismissal to ALL the Senators. Maybe it would help them wake up and stop letting iamsobeautifulwheresamirror? break the laws of this country as he is doing! Maybe they would realize that they need to step up and put a stop to all these czars.
A Sample:
Senator ________
It has come to my attention that you no longer are meeting my expectations or requirements as my representative in Washington. The lack of interest that you have shown in pursuing those Choices that would protect our country’s way of life, our personal freedoms and our best interests is disturbing.
However, I will not call you and tell you that you have only one hour to resign or be fired, I will allow you ample time to work out a notice. Americans are tired of the BS that you ‘Senators’ are allowing to pass through Congress. We are sick of bailing out mis-managed companies, we are sick of lining pockets, we are sick of cronyism, we are sick of paying for useless programs, we are sick of the czars, we are sick of speed readers, (wasn’t that special??) we are sick of expanding government –in short–we are already sick of this new administration who apparently believe that they can make their own rules and laws.’Senators’ are supposed to be the watchdogs of making sure the President stays with-in the guidelines of our laws and Constitution. What are you doing? What are you thinking? Do you remember us? We elected you as a representative of ourselves ! Do you honestly believe that if America is ‘allowed’ to stay on the fast track to spending money that we will even survive as a nation??? Get real! Wake up! Stop kowtowing and do your job! It is sickening to watch all you people bowing and scraping!! Grow a back bone!!
Susie1945 06.19.09 at 2:43 pm
This is what happens when you get a pretender in the WH – the fraud is in so far over his head – neither him or his BFFS know what the hell to do – too many chefs and not enough cooks – and Hillary is in the hospital – had surgery on her elbow this am
How’s that kool aid?????????????
Sunshinelvr 06.19.09 at 3:01 pm
I did the Alice Paul prowl and I am doing the walprin prowl.–because wrong is wrong.
CJK 06.19.09 at 3:06 pm
RemNov, #14, I’m lurking briefly, and saw your very kind comment. Just wanted to take a moment to say thanks and {{{RemNov}}}. At least I know there are a smattering of PUMAs out there such as you, Rancho, persephone, webfoot, FLBarbara and a few others, who see, as I do, the tremendous opportunity that a prowl would represent (and who are horrified by what the Walpin and other recent mysterious IG firings represent from the BO WH). Please see the very informative posts from Nikki’s mom, scarlet, VTcat, DWP on the “Naked Cookies” thread after lights out. (Sorry if I missed anyone. Rushing.) Thanks again. Back to necessities, and maybe some lurking later.
Dhyan 06.19.09 at 3:12 pm
Greta would do a great job if she ever got the green light to do a special on feminism. I doubt that she’d be allowed.
NikkisMom 06.19.09 at 3:12 pm
Re:
Sunshinelvr 06.19.09 at 2:43 pm
I think we should write a formal letter of dismissal to ALL the Senators. Maybe it would help them wake up and stop letting iamsobeautifulwheresamirror? break the laws of this country as he is doing! Maybe they would realize that they need to step up and put a stop to all these czars.
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I LOVE your letter! Wouldn’t that be a huge story to alert to the press about – “PUMA sends termination letters to all senators & congressmen” :LOL:
michelina 06.19.09 at 3:18 pm
Hi Remember:
It was on the news today, OLIVE GARDEN pulled their
ads.—–It was only a local radio station here
in WNY, but they are extremely reliable.
Sunshinelvr 06.19.09 at 3:19 pm
thank you NikkisMom.
I actually think we (as a group) should target all those Senators who are drinking so heavily of the kool-aid. To be fair, there are a few who are NOT just going along. We should each send them our own letter of termination. Maybe we could even make it registered, so they would have to sign for it!!
And sign it “American Citizen” and of course Pumapac.org!
michelina 06.19.09 at 3:21 pm
I’m ready for the Walprin prowl,
Who’s doing it to WHO????
Am I missing something (like usual)
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 3:27 pm
Hi Michelina
Thanks for the update
I try not to be cynical (!) but isn’t it possible that the company is taking advantage of a convenient blessing of timing, or perhaps they are taking advantage of the confusion so that both sides of the issue are happy? They ‘cancelled their ads’ makes us happy, but ‘they didn’t really cancel them’ makes those who believe this is all a storm in a teacup happy – or words to that effect!!
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 3:35 pm
Well, that did it!!! I had just typed “Beck” and my computer went berserk and all the programs and documents on my computer started opening at once. That must have been payback for something……..
I was writing to comment on Sunshinelvr’ GREAT letter, refusing to apologize about hearing another great letter on Beck’s program as I did a click-by the other night (!) and wondering if you had all seen it? It was an open letter to the country’s leadership from a Janet Contreras of Arizona (I will find a link) – it was very passionate, like Sunshinelvr’s letter.
simofish 06.19.09 at 3:35 pm
Islam sucks and so does Bill Ayers.
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 3:40 pm
Not sure I agree with everything she wrote but here’s the link:
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/26742/
Now, please don’t get on my case ya’ll for surfing the stations!
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 3:43 pm
BBL – having major computer problems
Can’t even get my Rep’s contact page to work
Sunshinelvr 06.19.09 at 3:50 pm
I heard Beck read that letter, RemVem. It is quite a letter!
and thank you for you kind comments on mine. It needs to be refined and polished, but I sometimes get carried away in my -ahem- passion!
Sunshinelvr 06.19.09 at 3:52 pm
note to DanceswithPumas..ignore email in action center. I thought I had offended someone because nobody commented for almost 20 minutes after I posted.
persephone 06.19.09 at 3:53 pm
glenn beck sucks but he can be useful at times, like a TOOL
happy friday, PUMAs
Sunshinelvr 06.19.09 at 3:54 pm
bbl ..tc Pumas! And you are exactly right persephone!
michelina 06.19.09 at 4:00 pm
He Persephone: Happy Friday to you also,
It’s slow around here on Fridays,
I guess it’s good sometimes, gives us a
break
michelina 06.19.09 at 4:01 pm
that was HI = He
persephone 06.19.09 at 4:05 pm
hey hi he michelina! how’s the baby?
waiting for info on Walpin prowl.
the Obots are putting out their “it’s been debunked” meme..
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 4:07 pm
Sunshinelvr 06.19.09 at 3:52 pm
note to DanceswithPumas..ignore email in action center. I thought I had offended someone because nobody commented for almost 20 minutes after I posted.
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Please remember that although almost everyone reads every single comment, many do not reply to every comment.
michelina 06.19.09 at 4:09 pm
Baby is wonderful, and another on the way in
February, hoping for a boy.
We don’t want it debunked, I realize it’s
not a woman’s issue, but it is REAL IMPORTANT.
CJK was spearheading this, but she’s busy today,
and I wouldn’t know who to write to to complain
except——The Senator what’s her name,
I only remember mine, and they are all
over woman’s issues, they’re great like
that.
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 4:14 pm
Murphy
dances, sorry I think it’s just you.
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Yup. It was the computer I was using at the time. Thanks.
stoney42 06.19.09 at 4:16 pm
E-mailed my rep. re: Alice Paul. This is about the 10th e-mail I have sent him of the last few months. Don’t have much hope for him to join in, but I’ll keep trying.
theamericanway 06.19.09 at 4:20 pm
Should we laugh or cry? (Maybe ’cause it’s Friday we should laugh). From Forbes:
…[Dr. David] Scheiner, 71, was Obama’s doctor from 1987 until he entered the White House; he vouched for the then-candidate’s “excellent health” in a letter last year. He’s still an enthusiastic Obama supporter, but he worries about whether the health care legislation currently making its way through Congress will actually do any good, particularly for doctors like himself who practice general medicine. “I’m not sure he really understands what we face in primary care,” Scheiner says.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/obama-doctor-knocks-obamacare-business-healthcare-obamas-doctor.html
michelina 06.19.09 at 4:20 pm
How’s THIS for UNFIREKENBELIEVABLE:—they really suck
Link: wivbtv.com—we should have their JOBS–
God we’re all nuts with this government.
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NY Senate takes the
weekend off
Should they get a paycheck?
Updated: Friday, 19 Jun 2009, 1:28 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 19 Jun 2009, 1:27 PM EDT
Rich Newberg
Posted by Emma Orn
BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) – After two weeks getting nothing done, New York’s stalemated Senators are taking the weekend off.
Should they get a paycheck if they can’t even agree on a presiding officer to authorize payment?
Governor David Paterson is asking the same question, pointing out that even though they can’t agree on the leadership of the Senate, they have agreed on a way to keep getting paid.
michelina 06.19.09 at 4:22 pm
SORRY—that’s: WIVB.COM
persephone 06.19.09 at 4:25 pm
Sarah on No Quarter is watching the Walpin story and has a good video of his interview with Lou Dobbs:
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/19/gerald-walpin-does-dobbs-open-thread/
Walpin says what he wants is a Congressional hearing and investigation.
The Obama Administration cannot be allowed to get away with this.
The “confused” comments about Walpin were obnoxious and offensive but I’m much more concerned that this is just the beginning of the removal of anyone who dares to expose their corruption.
michelina 06.19.09 at 4:26 pm
Gotta go ((((Pumaland)))))))
long hard working weekend ahead,
will be lurking
Peace and love to all
michelina 06.19.09 at 4:27 pm
Perse: it’s very IMPORTANT, yes!!
persephone 06.19.09 at 4:29 pm
bye mich, and congrats!
re: Walpin-maybe we can press congress for an investigation.
Puma-SF 06.19.09 at 4:29 pm
Hillary’s surgery was a success:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/19/clintons-elbow-surgery-success/
Susie1945 06.19.09 at 4:31 pm
Murphy – whatever you do – don’t make any chocolate chip cookies from the Nestle refrigerated rolls – just had announcement on the tube that they are infected with E.coli – WTF??? Don’t know which ingredient but maybe our State Health Department will figure it out before the CDC & FDA like we’ve done for the tomatoes, peanut butter, etc. Crackerjack job they do here….setting up as a model for the rest of the states….
Anyway – cookies are always better made from scratch – IMO
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 4:33 pm
CJK I love your letter and Sunshine you is cooking!
I want to fire every last one of the Washington assholes give em 2 seconds to beat it!!
Every once in a while one will step up and say hey I’m not for that and then vote for it anyway. When it comes time to be reelected they will claim they never backed such and such. We are being scammed right and left!
They are so sure the next election is bought and paid for they have no worries…and maybe they don’t.
Time to send the letters and fire the DORKS.
Send registered, receipt signature required.
Susie1945 06.19.09 at 4:33 pm
Another bit of good news??????
As long as protest continue in Iran – gas prices will continue to go up becuz everybody in the oil business is scared shitless that something will happen – what – that Iranian people will finally be free again like they were when the shah was in power – shitty man but women weren’t stoned, beheaded and they didn’t have to weaR shrouds – they could wear shorts and drive and everything – what a concept……………
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 4:35 pm
Wow thanks for the pic of Hillary Clinton. Murphy you smoke!!!
webfoot 06.19.09 at 4:35 pm
cjk-here’s a thought I had regarding Walprin’s firing. How about writing to one of the news stations that has interviewed him and ask them to forward the email to Walprin. Content of the letter along the lines of:
Dear Mr. Walprin,
I have been following the new reports of your firing from the position of Inspector General. I am deeply concerned at the apparent disregard of the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA). I have visited the offical website for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC)at http://www.eeoc.gov/. Based upon my review of the EEOC’s description of age discrimination, it appears that you are in a strong position to file an EEO complaint. I hope you pursue this legal course of action. In addition to clearing your own name of the allegations made about your mental state, you will be helping other Americans who have suffered the same discrimination to which you have now been subjected.
persephone 06.19.09 at 4:35 pm
murphy link from myiq at TC:
(and do hang onto that burka!)
Netroots Nation dives into inanity
Category: Politics • Religion
Posted on: June 18, 2009 5:09 PM, by PZ Myers
Netroots Nation, the big lefty political/blogging meeting, is organizing sessions for their conference in August. Unfortunately, they seem have given up on the idea of a secular nation, because this one session on A New Progressive Vision for Church and State has a bizarre description.
The old liberal vision of a total separation of religion from politics has been discredited. Despite growing secularization, a secular progressive majority is still impossible, and a new two-part approach is needed–one that first admits that there is no political wall of separation. Voters must be allowed, without criticism, to propose policies based on religious belief. But, when government speaks and acts, messages must be universal. The burden is on religious believers, therefore, to explain public references like “under God” in universal terms. For example, the word “God” can refer to the ceaseless creativity of the universe and the objective validity of human rights. Promoting and accepting religious images as universal will help heal culture-war divisions and promote the formation of a broad-based progressive coalition.
That makes no sense at all. Separation of church and state certainly isn’t discredited — if anything, the experience of the last few years makes it more important than ever. Voters can already propose policies based on religion, and they do, unfortunately…but whoever wrote this thinks there should be no criticism? That’s insane. This is a progressive organization that is proposing that we shouldn’t even criticize religious intrusion into government.
And then look what they do: they redefine “god” into a waffling, meaningless placeholder for anything anyone wants!
I’d like to know who came up with this garbage — it reeks of the Jim Wallis/Amy Sullivan camp of liberal theocrats, although neither is actually on the panel.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/06/netroots_nation_dives_into_ina.php
myiq’s post
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/left-behind/
theamericanway 06.19.09 at 4:37 pm
Earlier in this thread, notice was made of, perhaps, a quiet Friday night. So I went looking elsewhere and found something which I’ll get to. But first must say it’s anything but quiet here right now. Like persephone’s #49, this one involves Lou Dobbs:
On the Radio: Friday
Lou Dobbs wants some answers. He also wants to know what you think. Give him a buzz on “The Lou Dobbs Show,” and lend your voice to the national conversation.
It’s “Let It Fly Friday” in the Independent Nation! Lou will have the phone lines open all day long to get your take on what’s happening in America. Call him toll-free on the Independent Hotline at 877-55 DOBBS. (It’s the best bargain in broadcasting.)
http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/
persephone 06.19.09 at 4:39 pm
and for those of you too chicken to call radio shows (ME) you can listen to Lou live by clicking on the link in #60
webfoot 06.19.09 at 4:39 pm
oops, misspelled his name; that would be Walpin
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 4:40 pm
geeez… instead of “god” why not use statements like:
ceaseless creativity of the universe and the objective validity of human rights.
Print it right there on our currency:
“In the ceaseless creativity of the universe and the objective validity of human rights, we trust.”
or, let’s not and just say we did.
Susie1945 06.19.09 at 4:45 pm
Supremes shot down an age discrimation case today – what do they care – they get to stay in their plushy offices for the rest of their lives – it’s up to the discriminated against to prove they were discriminated against – burden of proof used to be on employer – no more – supremes have ruled…………..
persephone 06.19.09 at 4:51 pm
dances
I just told my Repub neighbors YESTERDAY that I refused to attend their damned town committee meetings b/c they just can’t stick to political issues and leave Christianity and God out of it.
I really let them have it and I’m sure their pissed at me.
and then i read this:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/left-behind/
what is this bullshit?
webfoot 06.19.09 at 5:10 pm
susie1945-Yet in June 2008 the Supreme Court ruled in favor of older workers. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/washington/20scotus.html The case a year ago was 7-1. The case this June was 5-4. The one dissenting voice a year ago was Clarence Thomas. And he is the one who wrote the opinion this year. Interesting.
Patty 06.19.09 at 5:22 pm
HELENA, Mont. (AP) — Job applicants with the city of Bozeman are finding that their private Internet discussions and pictures may not be so private after all.
The city is asking job seekers for the user names and passwords to Internet social networking or Web groups to which they belong. The decision is sparking an outcry from those who say the policy goes way too far.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j8jn3O0JgrEGN8znw-q2Y5-FcldAD98TQPT80
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 5:23 pm
what is this bullshit?
It is goddamn bullshit!!! Bought and paid for!
LJSNAustin 06.19.09 at 5:25 pm
I am soooooo over the dems.
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 5:29 pm
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LJSNAustin 06.19.09 at 5:25 pm
I am soooooo over the dems.
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I am too but no matter as they are now the Repubs!
They have morphed into one big party of let us do what ever we want and when we want. Now they are all fat, rich and happy!
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 5:36 pm
Sunshinelvr 06.19.09 at 2:43 pm
I have your letter ready to send to my senator on Monday.
I will send it registered mail, receipt requested.
Thanks it is a great letter and I only tweaked it a tiny bit….added I was sorry I ever voted for him, and I never will again.
simofish 06.19.09 at 5:38 pm
LJSNAustin / HP Boston — yep & yep
Patty 06.19.09 at 5:49 pm
Finally some good news for me.
A new Japanese study warns that being very skinny is even more dangerous, and that slightly chubby people live longer.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c7aaeb7940626693fa418a1eab2291f6.81&show_article=1
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 6:03 pm
Of all places to find this article… CNN
I mentioned this on the blog the other day, now it is mainstream info from CNN and not just from Twitter.
It also answers the question for me as to if women in Iran are feminists…
Women in Iran march against discrimination.
The young Iranian woman eyed the crowd and pondered the possibility that the rest of her life might be different from her mother’s. She could see glimmers of a future free from discrimination — and all the symbols of it, including the head-covering the government requires her to wear every day.
Women, regarded as second-class citizens under Iranian law, have been noticeably front and center of the massive demonstrations that have unfolded since the presidential election a week ago.
More: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/19/iran.protests.women/index.html
persephone 06.19.09 at 6:10 pm
A sales woman is driving through the Reservation toward home when she sees an Indian woman thumbing a ride on the side of the road.
As the trip had been long and quiet, she stops the car and the Indian woman gets in. After a bit of small talk, the Indian woman notices a brown bag on the front seat.
“What’s in the bag?” asks the Indian woman.
“It’s a bottle of wine. I got it for my husband,” says the sales woman.
The Indian lady is silent for a moment then says, “Good trade.”
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 6:14 pm
“Good trade.”
persephone 06.19.09 at 6:18 pm
good to know Obama is working hard:
Obama calls Lakers, Penguins coaches
Posted: 12:05 PM ET
From CNN White House Producer Jamie Crawford
WHITE HOUSE (CNN) – The head coaches for the Los Angeles Lakers and the Pittsburgh Penguins received congratulatory calls yesterday from President Obama.
The president — a basketball fan himself who still plays occasionally — called Lakers coach Phil Jackson to congratulate the team for winning the NBA finals, according to the White House. They also discussed the keys to the Lakers’ success, and “the President’s interest in the Lakers’ triangle offense.”
Obama also made a point to congratulate Jackson on his record-setting 10th championship as a head coach — four with the Lakers, and six with Obama’s hometown Chicago Bulls. He told Jackson he has admired him since his days as coach of the Bulls, and looked forward to meeting him and congratulating the Lakers in person at the White House.
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 6:30 pm
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persephone 06.19.09 at 6:10 pm
A sales woman is driving through the Reservation toward home when she sees an Indian woman thumbing a ride on the side of the road.
As the trip had been long and quiet, she stops the car and the Indian woman gets in. After a bit of small talk, the Indian woman notices a brown bag on the front seat.
“What’s in the bag?” asks the Indian woman.
“It’s a bottle of wine. I got it for my husband,” says the sales woman.
The Indian lady is silent for a moment then says, “Good trade.”
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Perseyes that’s my favorite joke! thanks for posting needed a good laugh!
persephone 06.19.09 at 6:32 pm
Why not ban full veil, says French government spokesman
excerpt:
Sarkozy’s leftwing urban policies secretary, herself a Muslim and former president of a women’s rights group, today gave her support to “a total ban” on the burka. “I am for the banning of this coffin which kills basic freedoms,” Fadela Amara told Le Parisien newspaper. “This debate has to clear the way to a law which protects women.”
the rest:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/19/veil-burka-france-muslim-women
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 6:36 pm
I guess O’bowToTheEast is slow on the draw…again…
The House voted 405-1 to denounce Iran’s actions and they were quickly followed by a Senate resolution that also condemned the Iranian crackdown.
While the King of the KoolAid drinkers just says, that the “world is watching”…
What else would you expect from a community organizer?
persephone 06.19.09 at 6:38 pm
HP do you know one about the three mice in the bar?
(not as funny for me read as it is to hear him tell it – he’s really good at being the mice and has had lots of practice since it’s the only joke he knows.
http://www.digitalroom.net/index2.html
persephone 06.19.09 at 6:39 pm
Shadow
just read that Ron Paul was the only vote against.
murphy 06.19.09 at 7:01 pm
AWESOME link pers. I heart French feminists. Yay Fadela Amara!!
Puma-SF 06.19.09 at 7:13 pm
Don’t forget about Ni Putes ni Soumises.
http://pumaeyes.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/bravo-ni-pute-ni-soumises-and-fuck-you-barack-obama/
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 7:29 pm
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persephone 06.19.09 at 6:38 pm
LOL
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 7:39 pm
Catsden
“I’ve been doing a lot of abstract painting lately, extremely abstract. No brush, no paint, no canvas, I just think about it.”– Stephen Wright
webfoot 06.19.09 at 7:48 pm
off topic-here’s an excerpt from ABC’s response to the RNC letter noting that using the White House to broadcast ABC shows was a merging of government and media. The RNC also noted that by only allowing BO’s viewpoints was biased, etc. The ABC website has the RNC letter as well as their response.
I wondered what I had been missing over the past couple years in ABC’s coverage of BO since they state, “Second, ABC News prides itself on covering all sides of important issues and asking direct questions of all newsmakers — of all political persuasions — even when others have taken a more partisan approach”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/pressroom/2009/06/abc-news-responds-to-rnc-letter-.html
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 8:09 pm
I think I have to go to sleep now.
g’night.
Rancho 06.19.09 at 8:22 pm
HOUSE AND SENATE PASS LEGISLATION INTRODUCED BY REP. BACA TO CREATE NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE DAY
O.K.! I DON”T believe this! Joe Baca (Sponsor of HR 406-Alice Paul Congressional Medal) . . .Got one pushed through for the Native Americans! Just waiting for Obama’s signature!
After it passed the House, it went to the Senate and was passed THE SAME DAY!
What gives! What’s so hard about recognizing A WOMAN!
On Tuesday, June 2, 2009, the House of Representatives passed H.J. Res. 40, legislation introduced by Congressman Joe Baca to designate the Friday after Thanksgiving as Native American Heritage Day 2009, a day to pay tribute to Native Americans for their many contributions to the United States. On Tuesday, June 9, 2009 the U.S. Senate also passed H.J. Res. 40. The bill now heads to the White House to be signed into law by President Obama.
Rancho 06.19.09 at 8:24 pm
Dances . . I think I’ll join you! I’ve got a BIG HEADACHE!
Can you believe it!
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 8:29 pm
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DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 8:09 pm
I think I have to go to sleep now.
g’night.
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Hey it must not be 5:30 there! Wake up woman..we need to have you open your card at midnight!!!
Rancho 06.19.09 at 8:31 pm
No criticism of Joe Baca. He’s certainly trying!
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 8:32 pm
Do not go to bed…tomorrow is another day and it will only get worse…shit is spewing from the admin faster than a super flusher toilet!!!
Rancho 06.19.09 at 8:34 pm
Joe Baca presenting legislation
http://www.house.gov/baca/
scarlet 06.19.09 at 8:36 pm
The Healing Has Begun… U.S. Senate Apologizes For Slavery
Russell Simmons
Today, we celebrate Juneteenth, a day commemorating the announcement of the abolition of slavery on June 19, 1865. Yesterday, after 144 years, the United States Senate apologized for slavery.
With my newly appointed position as the United Nations Goodwill Ambassador for the Permanent Memorial to the Victims of Slavery and the Transatlantic Slave Trade, I vow to work on behalf of our young people to make sure that we never have to feel this sort of pain again. As we all know, slavery and human trafficking exist all around the world, at record numbers. We must remember the past, however we also must work to prevent our mistakes from happening again in the future. I will work even harder in my roles as a United Nations Goodwill Ambassador, and I urge you all to take a moment to recognize the importance of the actions of the United States Senate. Let the healing continue…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-simmons/the-healing-has-begunus-s_b_217901.html
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 8:37 pm
Rancho 06.19.09 at 8:31 pm
No criticism of Joe Baca. He’s certainly trying!
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Yup he is doing the easy stuff…….
scarlet 06.19.09 at 8:39 pm
persephone 06.19.09 at 4:51 pm
dances
I just told my Repub neighbors YESTERDAY that I refused to attend their damned town committee meetings b/c they just can’t stick to political issues and leave Christianity and God out of it.
I really let them have it and I’m sure their pissed at me.
and then i read this:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/left-behind/
what is this bullshit?
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I read riverdaughter and followed the links and it sounds like the Alliance of Civilizations mentioned by Obama in his Cairo speech. Alliance of Civilizations = one religion. The only thing is it is not bullshit. It is real
Casper Cat 06.19.09 at 8:41 pm
Hey goofsmom… you have mail….
Casper Cat 06.19.09 at 8:45 pm
Rancho… have a wonderful time and most of all Relax and Enjoy yourself…..
We will be looking forward to your return….
Oh, one for the road…. Your favorite….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0EDX07Kgj0
HP Boston 06.19.09 at 8:54 pm
I read riverdaughter and followed the links and it sounds like the Alliance of Civilizations mentioned by Obama in his Cairo speech. Alliance of Civilizations = one religion. The only thing is it is not bullshit. It is real
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Scary stuff Scarlet…we shoud have become the Puma chuch …the church ladies = ONE RELIGION!!
Rancho 06.19.09 at 8:55 pm
(((Casper)))! Thanks! I needed that! See #89
I went to his site to make sure Baca has a category for “Women”s Issues”, (and he does), but then discovered this Native AMerican Heritage day. I believe both were proposed about the same time!
Get my email? . . Don’t forget
I’m gonna play it again, while I try to take a nap! BAAAAAAAD Headache!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0EDX07Kgj0
henry 06.19.09 at 8:59 pm
sorry if this all ready posted but good news deserves a repeat
http://lezgetreal.com/?p=15024
Susie1945 06.19.09 at 9:05 pm
The fraud is on TV again – tv & radio Correspondents dinner & is telling jokes I guess – I turned it off – he makes me wanna puke and sorry – I just had something to eat…………………
MKfromLA 06.19.09 at 9:05 pm
prowl done – contacted Xavier Becerra and sent Rancho’s letter and also noted that he is NOT among the list of sponsors
thanks Rancho
henry 06.19.09 at 9:17 pm
Remember when all of the major broadcast networks save ABC aired bambi collectively in prime time? Why would he now choose ABC over nbc for his infomercial? Was there a divvying up back then? I feel like every action taken by this administration has been orchestrated. The fly in the oval office was that a metaphor for those against him. Why would PETA issue a statement about that? Makes no sense to me, unless of course peta wants to ban pennicilin as that kills something living too. I believe the fly and the response were if not set up at least manipulated. These people play the media game better than anyone ever. I have attempted to show the I got 99 problems Iowa video to fence sitters and they tell me it is fake as the main stream media would never let that happen.
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 9:22 pm
I have attempted to show the I got 99 problems Iowa video to fence sitters and they tell me it is fake as the main stream media would never let that happen.
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Dimwits. No wonder we ended up with pieces of (strike) work like obama in the whitehouse… bush also! Thye deserve this govenment. Too bad we’re getting flushed down right along with the dimmers.
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 9:27 pm
95
Russell Simmons
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Isn’t he the gansta rap mogul… the one who supports and produces sexism and misogyny with his label?
henry 06.19.09 at 9:29 pm
Dances
Okay maybe I have flown the cookoos nest when it comes to bambi’s coverage, but I cannot believe that he was annoyed by a fly on camera in the oval office. expressed his annoyance, then managed to in one swat kill it.. Then during the letterman thing the bit comes out from peta. Seriously. I think they were in cahoots saying the Palin bit was silly just like this. msnbc-cnn et al gave the story of peta being upset airtime. Why would peta want to diminish what it is they do by being so ludicrous?
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 9:33 pm
Rancho,
You won’t be able to sleep. I tried it. Too bright out.
henry 06.19.09 at 9:36 pm
Dances
Had a late lunch with my family at Olive Garden today. Asked for a mail in comment card. Personally thanked the manager(he was not happy). abc should be next, but damn they are frigging huge.
henry 06.19.09 at 10:01 pm
Am I really alone in believing that bambi swatting a fly was a media set up in response to the letterman/Palin fiasco? He brushed Hillary off his shoulders like dandruff and the first big deal across all media happens and he swats it with zero effort. I’d love to know how in a room with some serious heat generated by lamps would a fly zero in on him?
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 10:02 pm
Personally thanked the manager(he was not happy).
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Not happy with the plan not to continue advertising, or not happy with pigboy letterman?
henry 06.19.09 at 10:09 pm
Dances
Don’t know — I said we opted to eat here this afternoon because I believe in what Olive Garden did. He didn’t respond in a bad way. I guess I would say he was grossly indifferent. That is why I asked for a mail in comment card. Don’t know his politics but it would be very easy for him to drop it in the trash. I know when I was a waiter and people would fill out the little cards left in the check book I always junked the critical ones. Who wouldn’t? Anywho sent the comment off and let them know I selected them because of thier stance.
henry 06.19.09 at 10:17 pm
Wow
when I come here conversation seems to stop.
My apologies if I say things that offend — not my intention. I learn a lot by coming here.
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 10:19 pm
Dances – you have mail
Henry, I posted a response from Olive Garden today that indicated they did not pull ads but their contract with the show came to a natural conclusion and they have not decided whetehre to renew or not.
Will be back later I hope – have had computer problems and been off researching Walpin/Americorps.
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 10:22 pm
Henry
No, I used to think that – people come and go. It’s hard not to take the silence personally but it has also been a very quiet few days
whetehre – whether – jeez
henry 06.19.09 at 10:28 pm
RememberNovember
olive garden here no there
the giant is abc and its assumption that there will not be a reaction. ABC owns Disney, touchstone. miramax, lifetime and so much more. Espn-espn2 more. Magazines. Never in the history of a broadcast boycott has there ever been offered a chance like what abc is giving us. Cancel trips- universal is just as much fun. Kill cable. BVlock the stations — nielsen may not report but trust me when they sit down for negotions cable will listen.
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 10:29 pm
You see Henry – I have the same effect!! It’s bedtime in the east and dinnertime in the west. BBL
henry 06.19.09 at 10:31 pm
BBL
what does that mean?
RememberNovember 06.19.09 at 10:33 pm
Well, I hope it means ‘be back later’! Anyone with different understanding please let me know. I really have to leave now for a while. see you later.
henry 06.19.09 at 10:35 pm
remember
my bad should have fig’d that out
best of luck to you
henry 06.19.09 at 10:42 pm
One more time I will ask, Am I the only one who felt that waffles killing a fly was a setup. Come on what are the odds of someone being able to do that on camera? And then peta screaming about the action. Then peta makes a big deal at the same time Palin/shallowman is digging himself out. I feel the media people set up the fly. Call me crazy, but if it did nothing else it made a joke of any criticism of bambi. When was the last time peta spoke out about an insect?
webfoot 06.19.09 at 10:50 pm
henry-I think BO’s killing of the fly was so that he would have something to list as an accomplishment. Hence the action to have the camera man get a picture of the corpse.
And I don’t leave the blog because you come on. If you will look at my last post you will see there was a large gap after it. And the post after mine is Dances posting that she is going to sleep. hmmmmm, I hadn’t made the connection until now. Subtle, Dances, real subtle.
henry 06.19.09 at 11:00 pm
webfoot
I just want to scream that the fly was a frigging tool. Here he is getting a little criticism via Palin and he he responds with killing a fly with his hand. Echoes of brushing something off. I do not buy the fact that this man is that able to catch a fly and oh with the media so close— bullshit. letterman made sarah once again an issue and just as he brushed clinton off his shoulder he was saying to his demented army she is a fly and I will crush her. Don’t know alot about flies but I doubt any of them would ever want to be under studio lights. Smell yes heat not so much.
webfoot 06.19.09 at 11:04 pm
henry-well technically he didn’t catch the fly; it had landed on him and he smacked it while it was on his forearm. So his reflexes don’t have to be that good. I had an aunt who could catch a fly in mid-air. She would then walk over to the door and let the fly go (PETA would be so happy). I think the whole fly incident (joking aside) is just another example of the media’s love affair with anything BO does.
simofish 06.19.09 at 11:05 pm
henry – 111
The reason he had to swat the fly ………. he’s so full of shit …… haven’t you noticed flies flock to shit.
webfoot 06.19.09 at 11:09 pm
Good night pumas…don’t think I will be back on tonight.
henry 06.19.09 at 11:11 pm
webfoot
I honestly believe the media latched on to the fly story in an attempt to diminish the letterman saga. Honestly ask yourself why in gods name would peta defend a fly? I f you say that is what they do then what about bacteria and viruses. The response was an attempt to make the outcry about letterman seem silly. Do you disagree. I went back over years never has peta cried out in this manner. The organization is behind bambi and they took one on the chin in attempt to make lettermans statement innocuous. Can’t verify it but I have been told that msnbc gave more positive airtime to the fly than to the Palin children?
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 11:14 pm
And the post after mine is Dances posting that she is going to sleep. hmmmmm, I hadn’t made the connection until now. Subtle, Dances, real subtle.
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LOL!
Trust me, it was purely coincidental
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 11:19 pm
Ain’t it great that having baracko in the WH, he allows this skateboarder to ride down the halls and tweet at the same time?
Nothin’ wrong with a little fun King of the Kool-aid gang, but how about doin’ a little work along with all the date nights and Wed night parties?
Too bad the citizens are unemployed and in deep shit while the WH gang is playing “Party like it’s 1999″ on their free iPods.
Hell of a life, huh?
http://www.tonyhawk.com/ (see photo on the left)
henry 06.19.09 at 11:20 pm
I cannot stop screaming about this —- why why would news media show icky killing a fly?
Think about it– it is the weirdest thing ever shown about a president. You can call me the most paranoid person on the planet but I have serious doubts about a fly getting into the most secure building in the world and then under intense heat setting down on the wanna be prez and then being killed with one fell swoop by the pretender, Sorry don’t buy it think it was a set up. And then Petas response was beyond a joke.They say nothing when he orders a burger but get up in arms when he kills a fly? Again how do they fell about antibiotics?
DancesWithPumas 06.19.09 at 11:21 pm
Tony Hawk isn’t the only one in the White House who’s skating!
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 11:21 pm
I can’t believe all the news on the fly. Superfly get’s dissed by PETA. Things must be really bad when that’s the best news that comes from the WH. Obots must be in a Kool-aid coma.
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 11:28 pm
How come they never poll me on how I feel about barako’s approval rating?
June 19, 2009
Obama Job Approval Slips to 58% for First Time
Lowest reading for Obama thus far in Gallup Poll Daily tracking
by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ — President Barack Obama’s job approval rating fell to 58% in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from June 16-18 — a new low for Obama in Gallup tracking, although not dissimilar to the 59% he has received on four other occasions.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/121028/Obama-Job-Approval-Slips-58-First-Time.aspx
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 11:29 pm
DancesWithPumas
Tony Hawk isn’t the only one in the White House who’s skating!
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No freakin’ kidding Dances!
henry 06.19.09 at 11:34 pm
I wish something could be done about abc, but sadly they are just to damned big. Abc-disney-lifetime-cruise ships- magazines and so on. They can take a hit and keep on trucking. The only achilles heel that they have are the resorts, but you’d be hard pressed to get anyone to cancel a vacation.
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 11:35 pm
On the health care issue, why doesn’t the O just take that simulus $ he wants to use to put all records online (and take away privacy) and use it to buy health insturance for American’s that are too freakin’ poor or unemployed to buy any. Like his bs promise of $2500 credit to buy insurance like he had as a senator???
Why the hell can’t he keep one simple promise????????????????????????????????
henry 06.19.09 at 11:36 pm
If I may ask why has there not been a follow up prowl for women appearing on lettermans show which appeal to women?
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 11:36 pm
simulus……….. the ‘t’ ran off with the spoon. STIMULUS
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 11:37 pm
I don’t watch letterman Henry. His is a jerk.
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 11:38 pm
BBL
henry 06.19.09 at 11:45 pm
Shadowfax
biggest problem with gov’t medical benefits is the huge industry behind. Close to a grand a day the government pays for people let out of jail for nonviolent offenses but get placed in half way houses. One house gets 291 per person so they throw in 10 people. Pick them up in a van, all ten, bill the state 50 apiece. Take them to a center. Charge the state up to 600 per person for therapy. tAKE THE SAME GUYS HOME AND CHARGE FOR THAT RIDE. No help for anyone save forced sobriety. Cost per day close to 10,000 for 30 guys. Think I am kidding look it up. Help these people yes but 400 dollars for a drug test which could be done with a dip stick. If they test positive then you send it to the lab instead every test goes to the lab. Waste Waste.
GOSUEF4HIL 06.19.09 at 11:50 pm
Obama on his way to fucking over health care
http://townhall.com/blog/g/3877cb58-d8b2-41f1-806a-6be13943cc9c
GOSUEF4HIL 06.19.09 at 11:51 pm
so- are his polling numbers finally dropping?
Has the supply of kool-aide been cut off?
I for one cannot wait to say I told you so
henry 06.19.09 at 11:53 pm
Okay here I am going to say something really really stupid– I have no health insurance but I would almost like to see it fail if Kennedy’s name is attached, Hillary if nothing else deserves that as her legacy.
Sunshinelvr 06.19.09 at 11:56 pm
Shadowfax 06.19.09 at 11:19 pm
Ain’t it great that having baracko in the WH, he allows this skateboarder to ride down the halls and tweet at the same time?
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this is sooooo obivious I just have to say it! baracko the wacko! wackobaracko! must be related to jacko!
Sunshinelvr 06.20.09 at 12:03 am
Hi Henry! I know what you mean about the health care. I do have health care, but some of my kids do not. I am really evil..I tell them to say “no habla english’ if they have an emergency. I kid you not when I was sitting at the hospital waiting to see my sister in the ER, over half the waiting room (for the ER was filled with Mexicans. To be fair, I do not know if they were citizens or not. they all appeared to speak very little english –plus the WHOLE family came. Not one of them was bleeding, crying, puking, coughing or exhibiting any signs of distress that war readily apparent. This is part of the reason health care is out of control.
Sunshinelvr 06.20.09 at 12:03 am
*was readily…typos typos!!
henry 06.20.09 at 12:05 am
Feminism
no clue as to what that means. 42 year old gay man who went to pick up my great niece years ago and looked at her and knew I’d never allow her to be subjected to the conditions she was in. Less than two with dirty socks- face covered in whatever the snack may have been that day, I walked in and this innocent creatures eyes changed immediately. Wrapped her little arms around me and said TT. Well that was her last day in subcare. Since then I just adore her. She loves the disney princess meme but I go out of my way to include Beauty and the beast.
Guess I want to say I love my little one and I want everything for her, but I don’t get feminism if it occludes me.
Sunshinelvr 06.20.09 at 12:05 am
and –no, I haven’t been drinking! Just taking my cough meds!
some GOOD stuff,-that cough med!!!
Deb55 06.20.09 at 12:10 am
Got to Love this One!!!
“O”‘s problems Growing….Gitmo detainnes DON’T want to leave…would rather stay at Gitmo!!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124545444915932855.html
henry 06.20.09 at 12:15 am
sunshinlvr
true story
a woman making 40k a year three children
father had been given a pass years before by the mother so no money
her boss says to everyone in the company — I cannot continue to pay for health benefits but what I will do is give you what I was paying so you can add it to your own payments. OOps one kid has anemia but the mother had been treated for clinical depression. Guess what clinical depression is a pre-existing condition so the mother and thus everyone in her family was dropped. She cannot pay. I looked. Thought wow with her and her child getting some coverage it would be a grand. Silly silly me using thier ids and insurance for comprehensive care it was close to 5,000. The scary thing is if he had been treated when he need it the story may have been different.
Sunshinelvr 06.20.09 at 12:20 am
Sad story Henry and probably happening more often than not. So far my insurance has been fairly consistent and not too shabby. Of course I have had it for going on 35 years, so it would be hard for them to say –pre-existing.
henry 06.20.09 at 12:23 am
A fly in the oval room?????????????????????????????????? And then superman kills it with one fell swoop??????????????????????????????? Come on. Does anyone believe this shit? How can anyone under that much pressure do such a thing. Set up to believe he is more than what he is!!!!!!!
henry 06.20.09 at 12:26 am
sunshinelvr
please tell me you think waffles grabbing a fly was nothing but manipulation.
I cannot get over peta being upset about a fly why not then protest penicillen?
Sunshinelvr 06.20.09 at 12:27 am
henry, I do have to agree- seems like much ado about nothing and I wouldn’t put it past his crew to try something like this to delflect attention away from the real story. However, I NEVER watch any TV when he is on..I change the channel or mute it completely. I do not EVER want to hear that voice.
And you are right about the health care. It IS Hillary’s baby to me, too, and giving it to Kennedy was just like slapping her in the face. I detest Kennedy almost as much as bracko!
Juliette 06.20.09 at 12:41 am
Remember November #14
On the Walprin firing.
I am outraged and will not shut up about it. When Bush pulled this kind of crap I was on the phones calling the White House, my Senators and Congress.
Did the same now. Email McCaskill. My Senators A. Spector and B. Casey Jr + Congresswoman Schwartz.
Monday I start calling the Attorney General’s office.
Attorney General Eric Holder 202-353-1555
Obama broke the law; one he co-sponsored!
202-514-2000
henry 06.20.09 at 12:44 am
I am 42
I had my chances London/New York/Paris/ Philly
lucky me–but now I care about a two and 3/4s thing. And the world I have lived in in I want hers to be better than mine. No way I can ever replicate her parents, but I can attempt to make eaCH AND EVERY DAY SOMETHING and she will always know that I care. Funny thing is her mommy wants her now that she is potty trained. I am her great uncle-spent two years doing everything. Fevers-pampers-nightmares. Suicidal girl who cuts herself gets her. Maybe I am small but I don’t get it. She gave birth so that gives her a right to destoy another human being. Oh or better yet her life is so sad that she has a right cause she gave birth to then validate her pathetic existence by using an innocent
Sunshinelvr 06.20.09 at 12:47 am
well.cough meds really kicking in..so good night henry, ario, dances, sandypuma, katinyourhat,trish,clinton democrat,antifish, simofish,HPBoston,webfoot,RememberNovember,MK,Pumabear, Murphy,Rancho,CJK,purplevette,CasperCat,Shadowfax,persephone,scarlett, Deb55,GOSUE4HILL, ALL other PUMAS and Lurkers! WE ARE THE ONES NO-ONE EXPECTED!!! Still THE ONES!!!!
Sunshinelvr 06.20.09 at 12:52 am
You GO, Julliette and I will call them, too. I searched and searched for an email for Walpen, but ciould not find one.He should set one up and help us figure out where to send our complaints about this..
And henry, I applaud you for your unselfish act of trying to help raise a little girl; trying to give her a better life; trying to show her there are better ways to act than how her mother may act; it is very commendable and more people should take the time to pay thiskind of attention to all little ones, our world world would certainly reap the benefits! Good night all. (((((HUGS!!))))
Juliette 06.20.09 at 12:53 am
Chris Dodd in charge of reforming Health Care.
God help US!
Juliette 06.20.09 at 12:56 am
Sunshine LVR
I want a Gerald Walpin for president bumper sticker.
I bet they would seel like hot cakes!
Maybe Glenn Beck has a contact for Walpin.
Juliette 06.20.09 at 12:57 am
seel=sell
henry 06.20.09 at 1:01 am
sunshinlvr
the choice was never mine
granted over time yeah I have made a decision but lucky lucky me. Although I now understand why someone would repeatedly hit their own head against a wall.
CJK 06.20.09 at 1:01 am
Hi PUMAs! I’ve been working on the following re the Walpin firing since I got back this evening, hence I’m emerging from lurking mode to ask/plead for your feedback. This is a LONG draft letter to EEOC Acting Chairman Stuart Ishimaru. I’m especially grateful to the following PUMAs who provided links and ideas, as well as support via the PAC blog: Dances With Pumas, FLBarbara, Juliette, michelina, persephone, PUMA-SF, Rancho, RememberNovember, scarlet, webfoot, and others. If any PUMAs are too tired or just not interested, just bypass this. But, I’d like any feedback any PUMAs care to give, including ideas to shorten, and definitely need e-mail addresses for AARP, Sen. Grassley, Rep. Issa, suggestions for other BCCs. Thanks.
DRAFT
Mr. Stuart J. Ishimaru
Acting Chairman
U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
131 M Street, NE
Washington, DC 20507
info@eeoc.gov
Dear Mr. Ishimaru:
I am writing to express my grave concerns about the completely unwarranted, patently illegal and unconstitutional firing of Inspector General Gerald Walpin by President Barack Obama and its implications for the future of equality of rights in America, concerns that I trust you share as Acting Chairman of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
First, Mr. Obama did not provide Congress with the mandatory 30-day notice and explanation of cause before firing an Inspector General that are required by the 2008 Inspectors General Reform Act, a law which Mr. Obama, ironically, co-sponsored, a law that works in concert with the Inspectors General Act of 1978. These laws were established to ensure the independence and objectivity of Inspectors General by requiring that the President appoint Inspectors General “without regard to political affiliation” and “solely on the basis of integrity and demonstrated ability.”
As you may be aware, Mr. Walpin’s firing was by way of a June 10 telephone call from Norman Eisen. Mr. Eisen, ironically, is the White House Special Counsel to the President for Ethics and Government Reform. He gave Mr. Walpin an ultimatum to either resign or be fired, giving him just an hour to deliberate. When Mr. Eisen called back 45 minutes later, Mr. Walpin refused to resign. He was placed on administrative leave and forbidden to return to his office. Congress was notified on June 11 that Mr. Walpin would be removed, and no cause for the firing was given other than Mr. Obama’s lacking “confidence” in Mr. Walpin. Only after Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., MO), who sponsored the 2008 Inspectors General Reform Act, pointed out that the President had failed to follow proper procedure, and asked for a written explanation of cause, did the White House even attempt to provide one.
The White House response still offered no reasonable explanation of cause for Mr. Walpin’s firing. A letter from Mr. Eisen to House and Senate leadership said only that at the May 20, 2009 board meeting of the Corporation for National and Community Service (CNCS, the organization that oversees AmeriCorps), “Mr. Walpin was confused, disoriented, unable to answer questions and exhibited other behavior that led the board to question his capacity to serve,” never clarifying these remarks. Mr. Eisen noted that after this meeting, the board “lost confidence” in Mr. Walpin’s “capacity to serve,” based on that single, isolated board meeting. There are reports that the meeting was extended and that Mr. Walpin’s notes had been rifled through while he was out of the room for a few moments and that the board refused him an opportunity to reorganize his notes.
In an effort to get to the bottom of Mr. Obama’s abrupt, unexplained firing of Mr. Walpin, Sen. Charles Grassley (R., IA), another co-sponsor of the 2008 Inspectors General Reform Act, had a team of investigators from his staff meet with Mr. Eisen on Wed., June 17. Mr. Eisen provided virtually no information and refused to answer most of the factual questions posed to him. Sen. Grassley, therefore, submitted the following written questions to White House Counsel Gregory Craig, asking for written responses by June 24:
“1) Did the [Corporation for National and Community Service] Board communicate its concerns about Mr. Walpin to the White House in writing?
2) Specifically, which CNCS Board members came forward with concerns about Mr. Walpin’s ability to serve as the Inspector General?
3) Was the communication about the Board’s concerns on or about May 20, 2009 the first instance of any communications with White House personnel regarding the possibility of removing Mr. Walpin?
4) Which witnesses were interviewed in the course of Mr. Eisen’s review?
5) How many witnesses were interviewed?
6) Were any employees of the Office of Inspector General, who may have had more frequent contact with Mr. Walpin than the Board members, interviewed?
7) Was Mr. Walpin asked directly during Mr. Eisen’s review about the events of May 20, 2009?
8) Was Mr. Walpin asked for his response to the allegations submitted to the Integrity Committee by Acting U.S. Attorney Lawrence Brown?
9) What efforts were made during Mr. Eisen’s review to obtain both sides of the story or to afford the Office of Inspector General an opportunity to be heard?
10) In addition to the claim that Mr. Walpin was “confused” and “disoriented,” the letter also says he exhibited “other behavior” that led to questions about his capacity. What other behavior was Mr. Eisen referencing?
11) If the initial and primary concern had to do with Mr. Walpin’s capacity to serve for potential health reasons, why was he only given one hour to decide whether to resign or be fired?
12) If Mr. Walpin’s telecommuting arrangements since the beginning of this year were a major concern, then why was Mr. Walpin not simply asked to stop telecommuting.”
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/NEW-White-House-refuses-to-answer-Senates-questions-on-AmeriCorps-IG-firing-48285832.html
Rep. Darrel Issa (R., CA), ranking member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, also sent a letter to White House Counsel Craig, requesting numerous documents, and stating the following:
“In order to dispel allegations that the removal of Mr. Walpin was the product of any inappropriate political motivation, please provide responses to the following by June 26:
1.A full and complete explanation of the White House’s reason for terminating Mr. Walpin;
2.A full and complete explanation of whom the White House consulted in order to evaluate the performance of Mr. Walpin;
3. Given the White House considered Mr. Walpin’s conduct as CNCS IG so unprofessional as to warrant his removal, please provide a full and complete explanation of why the White House gave him the option of resigning; and,
4.A full and complete explanation of why the White House decided to effectuate Mr. Walpin’s removal through an ultimatum delivered over the phone.”
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/NEW-House-Republicans-raise-questions-about-Walpin-firing-48154927.html
Mr. Walpin has served as Inspector General for the CNCS since January of 2007, and has done so with distinction. Please visit these links to see firsthand the outstanding quality of public service that Mr. Walpin has provided. http://www.cncsig.gov/PDF/StHope/StHOPEFIN.pdf
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/pcie_response.pdf
I have observed Mr. Walpin during several recent broadcast interviews and have seen no indication whatever of any lack of capacity. Quite the contrary, Mr. Walpin exhibits an exceptional capacity for clear, cogent, intelligent deliberation, commentary and dialog. Based on all available public evidence, the allegations in Mr. Eisen’s letter, that Mr. Walpin was “confused, disoriented, unable to answer questions,” appear to be blatantly false. As you are much aware, given your staunch opposition to any attempt by the EEOC to weaken age discrimination protection, words such as those used in Mr. Eisen’s letter to describe the behavior of an older American such as Mr. Walpin are code for ageism. As you’re well aware, such ageism is forbidden by the Federal Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA), as well as other federal laws enforced by the EEOC, and is being, thankfully, aggressively combated by the EEOC under your guidance.
Mr. Walpin is rightly fighting back against his firing, and is calling for a Congressional hearing and investigation.
With Mr. Walpin’s firing, Mr. Obama is in clear violation of:
q the 1978 Inspectors General Act
q the 2008 Inspectors General Reform Act
q the 1967 ADEA
q title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 Section 2000e-3 section 704
q the Civil Rights Act of 1991 as amended
q the U.S. Constitution, from which these federal laws emanate.
As you will note upon reading the articles at the following links, Mr. Walpin’s firing likely was motivated by purely political reasons, with an attempt to justify it after the fact with completely inappropriate ageist, elder-hating, xenophobic verbiage and rationale. We have made great strides in combating racism, sexism, religious intolerance, and other forms of discrimination in the United States. We must not allow age discrimination to stand unchallenged, particularly when it is perpetrated by those at the highest levels of government. We must remain as vigilant and vigorous in recognizing and combating ageism as we have remained in recognizing and combating other forms of bigotry.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124511811033017539.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Gerald-Walpin-speaks-the-inside-story-of-the-AmeriCorps-firing-48030697.html
http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1878088.html
http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1949795.html
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/First-lady-extends-her-reach-at-the-White-House_06_15-48031422.html
http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/16/obama-accuses-fired-inspector-general-of-americorps-of-being-confused-disoriented
I urge you to honor the profound trust that this nation has reposed in you in your position as EEOC Chairman – where partisan political interests have no place – and join Mr. Walpin and members of Congress in demanding a full Congressional hearing and investigation into Mr. Walpin’s unwarranted, illegal, unconstitutional firing. If this despicable act is allowed to stand, it sends a chilling message to other Inspectors General – all of whom must remain unfettered in their roles as watchdogs over expenditures involving hard-earned taxpayer dollars – and it sends a message of despair to any and all American citizens that their rights are expendable in the face of political cronyism and corruption.
Thank you for your attention.
Sincerely,
BCCs: Sen. Charles Grassley, Rep. Darrel Issa, ontherecord@foxnews.com, hannity@foxnews.com, glennbeck@foxnews.com, loudobbs@cnn.com, AARP
Juliette 06.20.09 at 2:50 am
Can anybody name the Chapter and verse in Leviticus that calls for the stoning of a woman for not being a virgin on her wedding night?
Cinie 06.20.09 at 3:16 am
Juliette, Deuteronomy 22:13-21
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:13-21&version=9;
Juliette 06.20.09 at 3:56 am
Thanks Cinie
I could not find it in Leviticus as the video mentioned.
Juliette 06.20.09 at 4:00 am
Smugglers try to get 180 Billion in US treasury bonds across Italian border into Switzerland.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a62
Shadowfax 06.20.09 at 4:26 am
Cinie has another great post and I agree with her 100% on this especially:
:snip:
There are other areas where PUMA supporters are currently championing causes that give me great pause personally. While I understand that David Letterman’s sexist “jokes” about Sarah Palin and family’s “sluttiness”, and his smug chauvinistic belief that penis-bearing insulates one from any real negative effect resulting from knowingly engaging in such verbal attacks against women, is seen by many women as a sort of last straw, deliberate line-in-the-sand crossing, I can’t help but wish that the troop rallying was on behalf of the woman whose broad-shouldered shit-taking is directly responsible for Sarah Palin’s current visibility, Hillary Clinton. Clinton’s relative equanimity in the face of much more vile attacks from left and right, and unfortunately, women and men, allowed her a largely unacknowledged dignity even when forced to bow out gracefully, paving the way for opportunist men to attempt to capitalize on her misfortune by elevating Palin to the national spotlight. For Clinton’s strength and sacrifice to be overlooked while Palin is defended as she is being further exploited by the men in her party looking for any positive promotional advantage they can glom onto, burns my frosted cookies. Though I “get it,” that after so much public abuse, this latest affront broke the proverbial camel’s back, so to speak, the fact that the acceptance of the same kinds of grievances that have constantly been lodged about sexism and misogyny over the past two years only comes on behalf of a Republican woman, frankly pisses me off.
http://cinie.wordpress.com/ (Bitter Knitters…)
Yes indeed Cinie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Notyoursweetie 06.20.09 at 8:17 am
If women would be one percent as outspoken as gays, they’d rule the wold…Instead, we have NOW
meanwhile from the brotherhood of powerful against the powerless
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/quick-lets-hide-cheney-from-the-daily-show/
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 8:27 am
Okay then! Today is JUNE 20th 2009….I think so yep checked two calendars so it must be Saturday too.
But hey I’m not gonna embarr-ass myself and wish Dances any kinda happy day, nah I am gonna let someone else take the plunge.
cjv 06.20.09 at 8:33 am
OK then, I’ll take the plunge as I remembered this to be her b’day as well (easy, becus someone else I know extremely well, all my life, has a b’day today, also)
Happy Birthday Dances!!!!!
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 8:35 am
Happy Birthday CJV!!!!!!!!!
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 8:38 am
Gee I hope Murphy is busy baking a cake now.
Come on Murphy one little cupcake? A naked chocolatechip cookie?
cjv 06.20.09 at 8:44 am
Delle 06.20.09 at 8:46 am
Barry continues to say that he doesn’t want to interfere or take sides in the Iranian issue.
Well, he can say anything he wants. His actions reveal whose side he is really on.
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/why-is-obama-cutting-off-financial-aid-to-pro-democracy-groups-in-iran/
Can’t offend the mullahs, you know.
scarlet 06.20.09 at 8:57 am
LEGISLATION
LEGISLATIVE BRANCH APPROPRIATIONS ACT 2010 HR 2918
What recession? House office budgets go up
More at the 411 on the 111 pumapac forum:
http://pumapac.org/forums/411-on-the-111/comment-page-5/#comment-341691
scarlet 06.20.09 at 9:23 am
DTV Weak? Try Double Rescan
By Mark Fleischmann
June 18, 2009 — Has your television reception survived the DTV transition not quite fully intact? Here are a few tips from the Federal Communications Commission, including one we haven’t heard before.
http://www.hometheatermag.com/news/061809dtvweak/
And if rescanning doesn’t work, then those without TV over the air will have no choice but to start paying for TV service or go without. AT&T is smiling. Rescanning is not working for many in the Chicago area. They have lost ABC and CBS. Pfffft! This is progress?
MamaPuma 06.20.09 at 9:23 am
Happy Birthday Dances
I’m sorry that you are now older than me!
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!
Love
Mama
LJSNAustin 06.20.09 at 9:26 am
Shadow #169 and Cinie: with due respect and speaking only for myself, I know that I logged untold HOURS complaining, blogging, and sending emails regarding the shit that was thrown at Hillary during the course of the primaries. I am fairly certain that many of us on this blog and around the country did the same. So I feel a bit insulted by the implication that we’re doing more for Palin than we do/did for Hillary. I also think that the “sleeping giant” awoke perhaps too late for us to really come together to support Hillary in the manner in which we have now done for Palin. Plus, I just don’t give a damn that Palin is a Republican. I just don’t. She is a woman and the power we have just displayed with this Letterman thing shows me that’s what it’s going to take for us to even BEGIN to turn the tide against misogyny. We, unlike NOW/THEN, cannot pick and choose to only support “Democratic” women.
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 9:39 am
LJSNAustin 06.20.09 at 9:26 am
Yes, yes and yes…had we had Pumapac for a year or even less time we would have been better equipped to fight for Hillary…we needed numbers and my voice and your were flies on the arm of a shit pile!
persephone 06.20.09 at 9:39 am
#165 wow!!
I’m offline for a bit but taking your letter with me to read.
I’ll sign, or send-whatever the final draft is.
bbl
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 9:41 am
They have lost ABC and CBS. Pfffft! This is progress?
——–
I say this is a blessing…take em who cares.
persephone 06.20.09 at 9:48 am
LJSNAustin 06.20.09 at 9:26 am
Shadow #169 and Cinie: with due respect and speaking only for myself, I know that I logged untold HOURS complaining, blogging, and sending emails regarding the shit that was thrown at Hillary during the course of the primaries. I am fairly certain that many of us on this blog and around the country did the same. So I feel a bit insulted by the implication that we’re doing more for Palin than we do/did for Hillary. I also think that the “sleeping giant” awoke perhaps too late for us to really come together to support Hillary in the manner in which we have now done for Palin. Plus, I just don’t give a damn that Palin is a Republican. I just don’t. She is a woman and the power we have just displayed with this Letterman thing shows me that’s what it’s going to take for us to even BEGIN to turn the tide against misogyny. We, unlike NOW/THEN, cannot pick and choose to only support “Democratic” women.
___________________________________
well said, and thanks for saying it. ITA.
What happened to Hillary happened faster than her supporters were able to organize. Who knew what the extent of it would be?
Still, there was plenty of outcry-squashed by the Obama machine.
If Letterman had Axelrod working for him our voices would have been lost in the wind.
If we could do the primary all over again…
gojoyknocks 06.20.09 at 9:49 am
Happy Birthday Dances! Wishing you a year filled with happy surprises. You know, if I had your address, you too could be sporting Gay Gal’s jewelry.
Hey Mama, I think of you often.
gojoyknocks 06.20.09 at 9:52 am
OOPS! Happy Birthday CJV. May this be the year that all of your dreams come true.
murphy 06.20.09 at 9:53 am
LSNJ, yup. That’s exactly WHY we started Puma PAC — to defend and fight for Hillary’s right to compete. All the way to the convention and after. It’s also why so many of us volunteered and worked as hard as we could during the primaries.
Were we late in organzing a “movement” of support for Hillary to fight the Obama Movement? hell yeah! That regret is one of the prime motivators for why we fight now. To be ready for the next time a woman runs for national office. I think one our primary jobs is as path clearers — you know the people with machetes who cut and hack at the vines to make a path.
I’m not jumping on a Sarah Palin for president bandwagon — I’m with Cinie on that. Puma PAC is independent really of party politics. The Democrats don’t want us (not that we want THEM in their present incarnation) and we don’t want the Republicans.
Which is freeing, no? Which I’m sure Cinie agrees with.
I like her post. It’s a good reminder, and I agree with her on some of the points. I am completely underwhelmed by the Iran protests. Doesn’t smell like democracy to me. Or if it is, they’ve chosen a strange hero to rally around. But I may be wrong. Maybe Zahra Rahnavard is Abigail Adams in a hijab.
I’m proud of our actions wrt Letterman. We were precise and clear in our protests. It had NOTHING to do with how freaking awesome Sarah Palin is or is not (if you happen to think Sarah Palin is totally freaking awesome, that’s awesome — I think she’s damn cool too). We protested because of the SEXISM and the MISOGYNY. If Jay Leno turns around and pulls something similar on Nancy Pelosi we’ll be all over it like white on rice.
I have total faith in the consistency and purity of our goals and what motivates them.
I only wish we had recognized earlier (like in 2007! or at least early 2008) how coordinated, underhanded, well-funded, and cult like the Obama Movement really was AND that we had organized around Hillary back then to make sure the best nominee of our lifetimes was nominated.
Now I gotta get back to the kitchen to frost that cake!
Cinie 06.20.09 at 9:53 am
LJSNAustin, one can support Palin as a woman and not embrace or endorse her politics. And, while PUMA was active and instrumental in the Palin/Letterman situation, the GOP forces opportunistically supporting Palin shouldn’t be overlooked. I know PUMA women supported Clinton, I’m one of them. What pisses me off is that the efforts you describe fell on deaf ears when it was about Clinton, now that the woman standing on her shoulders reaps the benefits seems wrong to me.
murphy 06.20.09 at 9:55 am
hey there gojoy! was up in your neck of the woods on Tuesday. Have a splendid day!
persephone 06.20.09 at 9:57 am
standing on her shoulders? oh please.
give Palin some credit. it doesn’t mean you have to take it away from Hillary.
happy birthday Dances and CJV
Cinie 06.20.09 at 10:03 am
Murphy, you know me well. I would never disparage you or PUMA Pac and all the efforts everybody makes on behalf of women and integrity in general. My point was more about feminism, the media, and the GOP, not about some kind of inadequacy or shortcomings of PUMA. That’s just not where I’m coming from at all. I tried to make it very clear that while I applaud everyone who stood up against Letterman, I wish Hillary had enjoyed the support of forces other than PUMA that Palin seems to.
CJK 06.20.09 at 10:05 am
LJSNAustin 06.20.09 at 9:26 am
Completely agree! Also, I question the following from #170: “For Clinton’s strength and sacrifice to be overlooked while Palin is defended as she is being further exploited by the men in her party looking for any positive promotional advantage they can glom onto…”
I don’t think there are all that many GOP men trying to leverage Palin for promo advantage. In fact, I think there’s a big power struggle going on within the GOP to discredit Palin so that some of the perennial GOP men candidates can take the lead for 2012. I think her popularity with everyday Americans scares the crap out of them. Actually, I think Palin has encountered just as much, if not more, recalcitrant and sexist male opposition (from both parties) as Hillary did. It’s just different in tone. The sexism/misogyny that Palin’s been slammed with has been much more blatantly sexually aggressive, offensive and demeaning. I, too, spoke out whenever Hillary was the target of sexism/misogyny/ageism. I do not and have never overlooked her strength and sacrifice. I do, however, think she has done herself, her loyal followers and her future a tremendous disservice by now so slavishly bowing and catering to the far less qualified man she beat out fair and square in the popular primary vote.
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 10:06 am
HA! we are all standing on some woman’s shoulders, I think you are on mine!
cjv 06.20.09 at 10:15 am
CJK 06.20.09 at 10:05 am
“I do, however, think she has done herself, her loyal followers and her future a tremendous disservice by now so slavishly bowing and catering to the far less qualified man she beat out fair and square in the popular primary vote.”
I could not have said it any better. There had to be something behind the scenes that we will likely never know about that influnced her decision to make that move. I recently watched carefully on one of her public statements and it appeared as if she was reading from a teleprompter, speaking every word as if it was not her own. In other words, she was stating what she may have possibly been told to say. I wonder if that is the case. I am sure her future is now essentially limited.
persephone 06.20.09 at 10:16 am
CJK
Some day Hillary will write a book about what went on behind the scenes in the Obama administration..
CJK 06.20.09 at 10:22 am
cjv 06.20.09 at 10:15 am
“…as if she was reading from a teleprompter, speaking every word as if it was not her own…stating what she [has] been told to say.”
That has to be the only explanation. We all know she still has a brilliant, fiercely independent mind of her own. One would only hope we soon begin to see evidence that she’s continuing to use it by hearing her once again speak out on behalf of the American people whom she has served so well throughout her life, only recently appearing to have abandoned us to complete what can only be called her ‘man’datory servitude.
sistermoon3 06.20.09 at 10:23 am
When the dnc “chose” obama on may 31st 2008 and forced hillary to basically shut down her campaign it wasnt personal it was they didnt want hillary, they wanted barak, end of story. Thus, the puma’s began. NOw, Barak offered Hillary the sos, a peace offering at best and to hopefully drag pumas back to his part of town. You know it, i know it we all know it. He doesnt choose folks because of their abilities (while we know with out it being said Hillary could handle the presidency better he can)
They didnt want her. The media while in my opinion was nasty at times to Hillary, they were and still are to this very day obnoxious when it comes to sarah palin. She has been called so many things that i have lost count, and she can still smile, that alone is gigantic in my opinion, obami cant even take a little criticism from fox news, so who is acting like the true
statesperson here. I sho aint obambi.
Cinie, you surly have to admit had women not gotten upset with what david letterman said that would have been even more offensive. If Todd Palin hadnt defended his family i would have lost all respect for him as well. Sarah’s not standing on anyone’s shoulders. She is basically standing on her own. She makes one freaking appearance in new york and all hell breaks loose. She couldnt even get credit for the reasons for the trip.
Bambi and Michelle jet to go out to eat in new york, and it’s all how romantic wow, arent they wonderful and so in love.
Sarah and her husband go and it’s get out of town bitch and take your little hussie daughter with you while you are at it. Amd hey dont dare go to a baseball game, you are not allowed.
It’s pure sickening
CJK 06.20.09 at 10:23 am
persephone 06.20.09 at 10:16 am
I hope I’m around to buy one of the first copies of that book!
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 10:26 am
Hillary was totally swiftboated, she was the strongest candidate and and the power brokers were left scrambling to destroy her..
All the men were easy to pick off as each had known baggage and
scandals in all thier closets.
She is a politician she is doing the best she can with the hand they dealt her, she is in the game her choice to play or fold. I say that woman has courage and guts and it steams them every day that she stands tall and does the best job of them all!!
Swannie 06.20.09 at 10:30 am
I wish it had been Hillary too , and I have a handwritten note from Sarah Palin thanking me personally for contributing to her defense fund . I cried when I got it, and I intend to frame it . I wish from the bottom of my heart and depths of my soul it had been HIllary to whom David letterman apologised ; but lets face it , so many people owe Hillary personally ; and the women of this country and the world generally , an apology ; they need to pass that act in congress as well as the apology for slavery .
But I am so grateful the camels back was broken I dont care who added the hair , and at least it was Sarah , because she is willing to openly criticise “daddy dearest” and owes him no loyalty .
what some people do not realise abuot those jokes
is that the awareness has changed permanently
and the same reason people dont make racist jokes or antisemitic jokes, and even gay jokes … is why lettermans joke crashed
because a joke is a joke doesnt cut it anymore. Some jokes arent funny if they are hurtful beyond a boundary
and it is difficult to be at the edge of awareness for all of us …and we are… but we are dragging the knuckledraggers along kicking and screaming
when so many idiots dont get it
Cinie 06.20.09 at 10:30 am
What the hell are you people talking about with this Palin love fest? I never said anything against her, or the campaign against Letterman, and if you’re offended it’s because you want to be. And, I’m insulted with all this Clinton bashing going on. And for anybody who doesn’t admit that Palin was selected by McCain in a blatant political ploy to exploit her gender in order to co-opt Clinton’s supporters, you can try that revisionist history with somebody who’ll stand for it. No wonder you don’t recognize the reasons so many Goopers came out against Letterman. It sure wasn’t that their consciousness was miraculously raised.
CJK 06.20.09 at 10:33 am
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 10:26 am
I agree, but would love to have seen her display that well-known “courage and guts” by abandoning the Party that abandoned her and playing the game by throwing in with the team of millions and millions of loyal followers who supported and voted for her in the primary. She could have mounted an awesome independent campaign. Even if she’d ultimately lost, she would’ve been positioned for a run in 2012. Now, what are her options?
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 10:41 am
Cinie 06.20.09 at 10:30 am
I get all that…but we damn well like Sarah Palin and I know it was a political stunt..it is all politics…we are no more a 2 party system in my opinion, it is one big garbage heap. Pick a woman and go with it the power pack has chosen Palin…well so be it.
I never have or will disparage Hillary, I admire her, some have been receptive to the years and years, and years or filth thrown on her by the political machines. It is distrubing.
stoney42 06.20.09 at 10:44 am
Happy Birthday Dances and CJV!!
MKfromLA 06.20.09 at 10:45 am
Is DancesWithPumas out there?
Happy Birthday DWP!
MKfromLA 06.20.09 at 10:46 am
Happy Birthday CJV!
MKfromLA 06.20.09 at 10:46 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG76k4vClXI&feature=related
cjv 06.20.09 at 10:46 am
Cinie 06.20.09 at 10:30 am
I didn’t get the impression that anyone was bashing Clinton. I know my intentions were not. It appears more like a dissapointment on the choices she ultimately made and thus trying to figure out and exercise some ideas/thoughts on her motives for doing so.
cjv 06.20.09 at 10:47 am
Thank you all. I wonder if Dances is awake yet!
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 10:48 am
CJK 06.20.09 at 10:33 am
We will have to see what unfolds..I am sure she has been threatened, she and her family. She spoke up for the attacks on her only child she may have had to save her life??? The truth is always stranger than the fiction…I believe the worst.
CJK 06.20.09 at 10:49 am
Nothing I have posted has been meant to “bash” Hillary. I stand in awe of her brilliance, her command of every issue, her strength, her integrity. I lament that such woman power has been forced into subservience to the inferior male, for whatever reasons.
murphy 06.20.09 at 10:52 am
cupcakes posted,
take it upstairs!
all y’all are gonna have to repost your comments in the Open Thread upstairs,
sorry!
Happy Birthday CJV!
sistermoon3 06.20.09 at 10:55 am
Remember Bill Clinton being asked after the dnc picked obama about the situation and he said oh ask me about that after January and then i will comment. well, they shut him up with offering Hillary the sos didnt they.
Nobody knows more than Obama and his team about political ploys if you ask me he is the king of ploys. McCain would have lost no matter who he chose, but sarah palin scared the crap out of the obama camp and til the day i die i feel like this whole economy collapse was far deeper from within the politics of this nation than anyone will ever know. This nation was dealt a dirty hand.
Remember the first bush, read my lips no new taxes? Obama was gonna lower taxes, hold on to your seats you aint seen nothing yet
CJK 06.20.09 at 10:56 am
P.S. Maybe it’s time to stop referring to anyone who’s not a Democrat as a “Gooper.” I was a Democrat for 40 years, and voted Democrat all that time. After the abandonment of Hillary, the debacle of a Democratic primary and the decline of the Democratic Party as we’ve known it into fascism, I switched parties. I did that to lodge a vote in protest for the only ticket with a viable woman candidate on it, and I’m not ashamed to admit it.
GOSUEF4HIL 06.20.09 at 10:56 am
My comments on cinie’s post-
I too agree that I wish we had been more vocal for Hillary- although going through the primaries- I think we were in a state of utter shock that “our party” and the “liberal MSM” would be so outrageous to Hillary and therefore we remainded reactionary. Looking back- it was the only way we could have behaved- we were reacting on an almost daily basis to the constant barrage of attacks on Hillary- both from within and outside of the party- but it was when Repbulicans started saying that although they did not like HIllary, even they were shocked at her treatment- that is when the cloud started lifting fo rmany of us.
By the time the primary was over and she suspended and then went out to support him- I think we all were in a rage but were seeing more clearly.
We will not allow it again- and yes- for now it is Sarah Palin or anyone else who is trying to do her job gets attacked for being a woman- we will speak out.
I also wish we had rallied like the Iranians in Theran- we learn from our mistakes and we move on.
That’s my rant for the day-
BBL-
HP Boston 06.20.09 at 12:45 pm
CJK 06.20.09 at 10:56 am
P.S. Maybe it’s time to stop referring to anyone who’s not a Democrat as a “Gooper.” I was a Democrat for 40 years, and voted Democrat all that time. After the abandonment of Hillary, the debacle of a Democratic primary and the decline of the Democratic Party as we’ve known it into fascism, I switched parties. I did that to lodge a vote in protest for the only ticket with a viable woman candidate on it, and I’m not ashamed to admit it.
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I didn’t go quite that far but I changed to unaffiliated and I will stay that way till I die. I will never bring myself to vote for a piece of garbage. I did caste my vote for Palin as a protest to a corrupt DNC and scumbag thug.
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