Obama FAIL

First again – repost from downstairs

Repubs need to change their party big time if they want any of us – I don’t want the government having anything to do with my body – so back off you zealous fanatics over abortion – I also don’t care if men marry women, women marry women or men marry women or women marry men – tried marriage twice and believe it’s overrated – as far as their bibical crap is concerned they need to recheck – egyptians (around way before their bibical messiah & the current resurrection) married their fathers, their brothers, their sisters, etc. and everyone talks about how great their civilization was – if they want marriage to be between a man & a woman – then do it – but don’t force your frickin’ beliefs on the rest of the people who don’t believe that. I want smaller government – jeezus – 20 czars and counting – help, help, help…..
also the government couldn’t even keep a whorehouse in Nevada operating so if anyone thinks health care is gonna be great – think again (medicare, medicaid anyone??)
will stop now…………………..

donation to follow

Murphy – how did you like my email????? got a cupcake for me??

prowl done
*flips bird to barney*

Has anyone else heard that rahm emanuel is telling repub senators that if they get this healthcare plan through they will go light on them in the 2010 elections, ummm does the blagovitch
scandal ring a bell, seems i remember first, he said he hadnt had any contact, then i remember he had had contact um then i remember obama has his people investigate it LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
damn, we sure do love us some pay to play from chicago style politics now dont we, it’s almost sooooooooo transparent you
need sunglasses

LEGISLATION

PRESERVING ACCESS TO TARGETED, INDIVIDUALIZED, AND EFFECTIVE TREATMENTS AND SERVICES (PATIENTS) ACT OF 2009

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White House Document on Global Warming

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CASH FOR CLUNKERS BILL

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Life style and hospitality taxes

See more at 411 on the 111 pumapac forum:

http://pumapac.org/forums/411-on-the-111/ post 211-214

Susie
Ever see the “Sorry I’m Late” video of oblamesomeoneelse?
Not sure of the title… saw it last year. Always late, always voting ‘present’.

Susie1945,

Obama, Biden and Hillary all say marriage is between a man and a woman? I don’t understand why the Repubs are the fanatics if both parties agree on that issue. Especially when I see how Obama is handling these issues. And I still don’t understand how Hillary lost to Obama. IMO if Hillary had won this election some of these issues would be non-issues by now.

I believe in what the Bible teaches me but as I enter the voting booth I remember what Jesus said regarding casting stones. My son and my niece are both gay and I see how they sometimes struggle, although not as much as say 20 years ago due to the gay movements.

However I don’t like how the gay community uses foul language against women or anyone who doesn’t say the words they want to hear. I would not use disparaging language against anyone for not agreeing with me. When I hear my son and niece using this language I remind them this is not how to win support.

I would like to believe that I support all “human rights” even when I may not agree. I may not vote yes because of my beliefs but I may not vote no either if I believe I am casting a stone.

Finished prowl.

I also added Greta, Hannity, O’Reilly, Glenn Beck and Fox and Friends email address to my BCC line so they can see our support of LGBT.

Can these email address’s be added to the PROWL?

Hi Murphy & all Pumas,

Prowl done!

Sorry but i was downstairs and all i heard was crickets crickets….hahah

Anyhow back to our discussion. Yes many shot themselves in the foot by simply believing the newsmedia and the lie that obama was not beatable. I know of many who simply didnt vote because they thought it was to no use or would make no difference. I dont believe for a second that any of these people will be sitting at home next time around. I am wondering and i maybe wrong but i dont see North Carolina, Ohio, Indiana etc being obama states next time around. If they are well than this country is over and the legacy of obama will steer this country to the hope and change for the next 20 years…look at reagan etc. That is what scares the hell out of me is the idea that after 4 years you will have 4 more years with this clown.

FL
Got it, thank you! I forwarded to Ms Murphy too!

white house: “Walpin was dazed & confused.”

Walpin’s response: “I wouldn’t say president obama was unfit to serve based on his statement that there are 57 states.”

ROFLMAO- obama picked the wrong person to try to fire!!! Pop some corn – this is going to be entertaining.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/17/fired-ig-calls-white-house-explanation-baseless-says-hes-targeted/

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Fired-AmeriCorps-IG-responds-White-House-charges-are-false-48257187.html

Hi Murphy – got a reply from CNN – mccafftery has new site:

http://www.cnn.com/caffertyfile.

From margaretandhelen:

“Helen, dear, I sent an email to that talented Susan Boyle telling her that I thought she had the voice of an angel and that I wanted her to sing at my funeral. Her response said she was free next Thursday.”

lolol!!

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/

DancesWithPumas 06.17.09 at 3:01 pm
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I like the wit and humor in the website link. Thanks for sharing.

off topic-excerpt from the Everett Herald. Apparently Kool Aid supplies must be running low and the bots are getting desperate.

“Fight over Kool-Aid led to stabbing, police say
Herald staff
EDMONDS — An argument Monday night over who drank whose Kool-Aid left one man with a stab wound and another man behind bars.
Police were called around 10:40 p.m. to a home in the 21800 block of 96th Avenue W., Edmonds police Sgt. Don Anderson said.
A 24-year-old Seattle man had suffered a cut to his arm during an argument with a man, 45, who lives at the Edmonds home, Anderson said. The fight reportedly started over Kool-Aid, the drink made from a powdered mix. The Edmonds man was jailed for investigation of first-degree assault.”

I ALWAYS have Kool-aid made at home.
(not political Kool-aid)

I actually think it is addicting,
better than some of the crappy water
we have

I can’t get into Martha Helen’s blog,

Can you share a little more??

REALLY: I know the caffeine is additcting,

Sugar is too:—–it’s a natural substance
is it not???

refined sugar is addictive

Well I’ll be DAMNED, I knew it was
addicting:

Beware of the KOOL-AID addiction:

BWahhhahahhahahah—–that is
really funny to me.

NAAHHA !! I wouldn’t do jail either
FIRKEIN idiots

Goforth, who is white, was issued a verbal and written rebuke for sending the e-mail from a statehouse account on May 28. Goforth called it a “bad decision” and said she sent it to the “wrong list of people,” The Tennessean reported.

Democratic legislators have called for Goforth’s resignation, but Black defended her decision not to fire her, telling the newspaper that Goforth has always been a friend to “people with black skin.”
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What the hell is wrong with these racist / sexist ignorant freaks??

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/17/gop-state-senate-aide-reprimanded-racist-obama-e-mail/

Goforth needs to Gosouth.

WTF

We need our own country.
I want to be the one who decides who’s allowed in.

Betty Jean will be LIVE on Greta tonight at 10pm

persephone… LOL!
You’d be one of the first to gain entry…
we need someone for Secretary of Treasury.

I’ll take care of the KOOL-AID,
since i’m such an expert—in our own “new”
country

Okay, you can maintain the kool-aid concession stands… just know that we provide koolaid for free, along with road maintenance, health care, education, and other stuff.

That’s all good for me, as far as “free”, but how do we
pay for it.

this is a democracy now, tell me your plan.

Clinton Affirms Iranian People’s Right to Choose Leader as Massive Opposition Protests Planned

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton affirmed Iranians right to choose their own leader in the violent wake of a contentious presidential election amid accusations from Iranian leaders that the United States was meddling in the country’s internal affairs.

“The people of Iran reserve the right to have their voices heard and their voices counted,” Clinton said at a news conference Wednesday afternoon. “The result of any election should be the will of the people.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526829,00.html

“The result of any election should be the will of the people.” HRC
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Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.Yep. Yep.
Including the DNC PRIMARIES!!!!!!!!!!! (lackwitted fraudulent cheats.)

DWP #71 & boy did we get screwed becuz our will was ignored….

Gay critics say ‘too little, too late’ from Obama

(CNN) — President Obama’s decision to grant some benefits to the same-sex partners of federal employees is seen by some as his attempt to extend an olive branch to the gay and lesbian community, but critics say it’s “too little, too late.”

“It seems to me at least to be a nice gesture, but a disappointment,” said Richard Kim, a senior editor at The Nation magazine.
The memorandum Obama is signing Thursday is not expected to grant health and retirement benefits to same-sex partners, as that is prohibited under the Defense of Marriage Act.

snip

Charles Moran, the spokesman for the Log Cabin Republicans said the lack of full benefits in Thursday’s memorandum shows a lack of commitment to the gay community.
“That’s the part that just shows that the Obama administration really isn’t serious about their promises to the gay and lesbian community. Things like the health benefits, things like retirement benefits and coverage for spouses. These are the core issues,” Moran said.
“Why start the marathon if you’re not serious about ending the race?” he added.

White House officials involved in discussions with gay-rights advocates say that Obama favors extending full health care benefits to same-sex couples but that will take legislation to accomplish.
Moran said Obama has had multiple opportunities to fulfill his promises to the gay and lesbian community — including by repealing the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy and standing against the Justice Department motion filed last week in support of the Defense of Marriage Act.
“Here we are, several months after he’s been inaugurated, and we’ve gotten basically nothing. So it is too little, too late,” Moran said.
White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama will keep his word.
“[Extending benefits to same-sex couples] is a matter of fairness. The president is committed to ensuring that fairness as well as working on and fulfilling other promises that he has made in the campaign around things like ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ ” Gibbs said.

The president has faced sharp criticism over the Justice Department’s filing in support of DOMA, which opposes same-sex marriage. The act used the government’s interest in opposing incestuous marriages to support its position against same-sex marriage.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/17/obama.gay.critics/index.html

Prowl begun yesterday:

Write individual letters to Greta Van Sustern.
We’ve spent the past four days sending thousands of email protesting Litterman’s sexism… Let’s send thousands of email to Greta, requesting that she invite Murphy to her program:
ontherecord@foxnews.com, gretawire@fox.com, Foxreport@foxnews.com
HANNITY@FOXNEWS.COM,
blindcopy: prowl@pumapac.org

The point of power is always the present moment!
Thanks!

chance to be prez………….

Hey PUMAs – remember back when Congress flew lawmaker back to dc from his mother’s funeral so he could vote on crappy package that we had spent days decoding? only to have the fraud wait another frickin’ 3 days so he could fly to Denver and sign it & so that fancy nancy could get on a jet & fly to Italy?

Well, they did it again – repubs were trying to block ACORN from getting any more of our money – house sent everybody home – said they would wait until today and then the bastards decided to vote – 100+ members couldn’t make it back to house to vote – dirty rotten ratbastards – we need to vote them ALL out and start over again
Also, just watching BECK – I know, I know – my bad – had the Inspector General who was just fired by the fraud – Beck gave him the test that hospitals give people they suspect have dementia – guy had no problems – why aren’t we raising hell with faxes & emails to Congress over this –

Also, ACORN is having a birthday party tonite in dc – guess we’re paying for that too……………….what the hell is wrong with this country – do these assholes keep getting relected because we think – oh yeah our guy or gal is good but it’s one of those others that is lousy – well guess what – they are all lousy and have forgotten exactly what the hell it is they are supposed to be doing in dc – they WORK for us

I like sending the emails, faxes, etc. – it makes us seem more like a PAC doing things – rather than just reading & writing about shit – like writing about it is gonna make it stop…..IMO

Harriet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wukFKfd6_xw

via bqueen

Well, we kinda missed on the vote – it’s done – most of the assholes are probably already at the party -

I think I’d like to send a prowl to all 535 members – whoops 534 – we here in MN haven’t selected our 2nd senator yet – neither one is worth sending – just a kind of heads up saying that we know the elections are coming next year and that they might wanna start polishing up their resumes because they might be looking for new jobs – course they already have made more money than they need plus they get a really really really good pension – omg pensions????? how dare they??? – us peons had to give those up for a 401(k) – damm that really worked well -

I’m not really good at writing these things – I usually copy Murphy’s and maybe add a sentence or two – but let me think about it. My best thoughts are the ones I don’t write down – maybe I need one of those little recorders so I can say them as I think them – hah………….like at 3 in the morning…..

Ok the national news is on and I’m not sure who to watch.
I ditched cable all together to save money.
NBC, CBS or ABC?
Or should I watch Jim Lehr?

Come to think of it I do get most of my news here at the Pac.

LOL Patty – just skimmed your comment and first thought into my head was “at the hop” – that makes me really, really, really old- Danny & the Juniors…………………

Yikes . . open congress link didn’t connect. I’ll have to look into that.

WOW !!! it took me forever to log in,
with 12 letters and numbers and caps and characters,
I can’t do it right the first 10 times.

Any way, I’m here,

WHAT’S UP !!

Rancho, Great letter. Have you mailed it already? If not, could I suggest correcting the spelling of “Feminism” and also, perhaps, delete “it feels like”.

I love “should NOW be called THEN” !!

Yikes! Another error RememberNovember . . and spell check didn’t catch it . .

Should have had all of you “proof” before I sent!

(My daughter’s been tapping her foot . . .we have a “date”. She’s pissed because I was working on the letter. “What’s more important . . me or PUMA!)
AUUUUUUUUGH! I was rushing to send it out, and now she’s not ready to leave!)

I love “should NOW be called THEN” !!

I WISH I SAID THAT! AWESOME RANCHO!!!!

Susie1945 06.17.09 at 6:37 pm

no, no, no and no………………………watch cartoons – you’ll get more info

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Love it! WATH CARTOONS- YOU’LL GET MORE INFO
on my bumper or a t shirt!

WATCH

Don’t worry Rancho – she probably reads so fast she wouldn’t even notice a typo!

Nice letter HP. Hi Yes, what a great bumper sticker – Should NOW be called THEN!

RememberNovember 06.17.09 at 7:41 pm

Nice letter HP. Hi Yes, what a great bumper sticker – Should NOW be called THEN
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Thanks RemNovem
I just read my letter again.. I sound like a 5th grader!!!

I liked your letter HP – read good to me but then again I think most everybody in this PAC writes outstanding comments, letters, blogs, etc.

I always try to remember the 5 w’s – who, what, where, when & why – used to pertain to journalism but we know that died in 2008 – now ‘reporters’ just bend over or else kneel and kiss the frauds asss………………

The Rules Committee wrote up a new set of ground rules
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Rewriting the rules in the middle of teh process… sounds familiar.
Imagine a baseball game where the batter strikes out and they change the rules then and there to make it a 6 strikes you’re out rule, because the commissioner prefers one team over the other?
Obama struck out, fair and square.
Scum.

Does anyone else feel overwhelmed by so much corruption, so much partisanship, so much self-serving?
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The sense of overwhelm doesn’t dampen my motivation. If anything, it energizes it.

Dances,
The sense of overwhelm doesn’t dampen my motivation. If anything, it energizes it.
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Yes, it usually motivates me too but once in a while……..

FLBarbara

Now the game sounds more like ABC than Congress!

but they did send the opposing team home didn’t they?

I think we need to do a prowl about Calvin Klein – have you seen the ad that that piece of shit has posted in New York? I remember the Brooke Shields ads and this is just a little bit too much……………

So freakin’ sad..

On Drudge, a title to a link, “WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN…”
below a little photo of Hillary alone at the Whitehouse, the link is about something else…

Maybe Drudge admires Hillary as much as I do?
::sigh::

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Shadow
so freakin’ sad…
http://www.drudgereport.com/

I couldn’t help this:

http://www.drudgereport.com/ NBC HQ has Swine Flu

oh the irony is just too much – too many pigs??

roflmao

ABC REFUSES OPPOSITION ADS DURING WHITE HOUSE SPECIAL
Wed Jun 17 2009 15:15:00 ET

ABC is refusing to air paid ads during its White House health care presentation, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, including a paid-for alternative viewpoint!

The development comes a day after the network denied a request by the Republican National Committee to feature a representative of the party’s views during the Obama special.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaot1.htm

I just fear she wouldn’t trust her party again…

Talk with you all later….

NikkisMom #29

Walpin’s response: I wouldn’t say president Obama was ………

I really like this guy. He’s not taking any shit from O’Burka.
I have called and emailed Fox News to congratulate them and encourage them tho continue reporting on the Walpin scandal. I heard Lou Dobbs also covered it, but I just can’t stand CNN and don’t wish to acknowledge them with an email

RememberNovember 06.17.09 at 8:00 pm

yup RN the same way i feel most days….shoveling shit against the tide!

I was a little sad watching BJ on Greta’s tonight. Not a mention of PUMAs nor Hillary…more appearing to be a conservative now. She did say all women should unite to fight against sexism, but if I didn’t know her, I would think she was another Republican just defending another Republican.

I should correct that in saying
The only real accomplishment from an elected official I have seen has been by Gov. Palin.
We know that PUMAS have accomplished much this week.

Night, little d.

Juliette,
I see you are a strong Palin supporter and yet at the same time don’t forget a majority of PUMAs are still Hillary supporters and don’t see Hillary in the pitiful way you do.
I am proud of Hillary, she has fought this battle mostly on her own for decades and Sarah is getting some of the support now from women that are sick and tired of what happened to the women before Sarah.

Just sayin…

I am sorry for Hillary Clinton. She will have a failed foreign policy hanging around her neck for the rest of her political life. She will continue to be damaged by the men she supports. This administration has been very quite about the two American hostages in No. Korea, another mistake which will ultimately hurt HRC.
The only real accomplishment I have seen recently has been by Governor Palin, who seems to have affected change in what is tolerated in the way of hate speach against women and girls.

Hello Pumas,
Its been a long time since I have blogged,but I still come on from time to time to see whats goin on.I did send the e-mails to CBS and Letterman. WOW what a great job everyond did.
I am now hitting the WHITE HOUSE with a series of E-Mails concerning the fireing of INSPECTOR GENERAL GERALD WALPIN,due to the fact that he probed into the misuse of taxpayers money by Obamas good friend SACRAMENTO MAYOR,former NBA player,JOHNSON.
Now nobody is looking out for taxpayers money,and watching Obamas friends.

ShadowFax #147

I never said that Hillary was pitiful. I worked my ass off for her campaign as a volunteer! I just think that her reputation is being damaged by Obama’s failures in foreign policy.
I wish she had stayed in the Senate. I would have worked with others to her get the position of Senate Majority Leader. In that case she would be a viable candidate in 2012 against Obama.
Know I don’t believe, as a member of Obama’s toxic administration she will be a viable candidate in 2012.

On another not, This issue with David Letterman has caused me to question my loyalty to my party-the dems.. I defended President Bill Clinton’s behavior as a womanizer and sexual harasser. Now I am feeling I should not have. I was younger then and maybe a little naive. I just really wish the dems had more respect for women. Sarah Palin has demanded respect and she has mine. I still respect and admire Hillary. I just wish she did not support Obama in his defeat of democracy. I am not real happy with anyone who supported Obama.

Sorry-oye I’m tired!

Finally Bush has something to say to Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/18/bush-takes-swipes-obama-policies/

Finally Bush has something to say to Obama.
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Finally?
We heard him stumbling through the past 8 years. He’s lied to us more than enoough. The creep needs to put on a conical hat, go sit in a corner somewhere for teh rest of his life, and think about the thousands of deaths for which he is responsible. He’s the last person who has a right to say anything about anyone. If I never hear from king george again, it’ll be too soon.

The following is a partial repost of my letter to Greta yesterday
Rancho 06.17.09 at 7:09 pm #92

……In addition, I would respectfully like to request your insight and support regarding a bill currently in committee, HR 406.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h406/show
This bill would give the Congressional Gold Medal to suffragist Alice Paul, and Puma P.A.C. has been working to see that this medal is awarded to her through passage in the 111th Congress. http://pumapac.org/2009/03/24/we-can-we-must-and-we-will/ Rep. Baca first introduced legislation to award Alice Paul the Congressional Gold Medal in 2005, after seeing the movie “Iron Jawed Angels” with Hillary Swank. http://www.hbo.com/films/ironjawedangels/synopsis/

The legislation garnered near unanimous, bipartisan support in the 110th Congress with 406 co-sponsors in the House, but since the legislation timed-out in the U.S. Senate, it was reintroduced by Congressman Baca in January. Currently it only has 110 co-sponsors, and it will NOT be moved to the floor of the House for a vote until it has 290, which would be 2/3 of the 430 total Representatives.

There are bigger issues at stake in our country right now than awarding a suffragist a medal, however co-sponsorship of HR 406 could show our country that our representatives are demonstrating bipartisan support of legislation that recognizes a strong, committed, and passionate woman that worked fervently for her country. As stated in the Congressional findings, (Sec. 2, #13 “Few people have played a greater role in shaping the history of the United States than Alice Paul.” The recent trashing of Sarah Palin and her family by David Letterman, the media, and society in general is a loud indicator that people need to unite and stand firm on those principles that we know are morally right to defend. Giving a Congressional Medal to Alice Paul is the right thing to do, and its passage can be part of the educational process for our entire country. You are not obviously in a position to co-sponsor, but you do have the nation’s ear, and perhaps mention of this bill might challenge some Congressmen in the House to do the right thing, reach across party lines, and co-sponsor this bill so that it could be moved to the Senate for discussion and support. We can’t let it time out again!

Your consideration of all of these issues is gratefully appreciated.
XXX
Puma P.A.C. Member
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FOLLOWING ARE NEW JUNE CO-SPONSORS TO H.R. 406
Rep Coble, Howard [NC-6] – 6/3/2009
Rep Marshall, Jim [GA-8] – 6/3/2009
Rep Grayson, Alan [FL-8] – 6/10/2009
Rep Ellsworth, Brad [IN-8] – 6/16/2009
Rep Green, Al [TX-9] – 6/16/2009

IS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THE LIST?
http://thomas.loc.gov/

I did a breakdown of the co-sponsors so far:

-96 Democrat (31 are women)
-14 Republican (2 are women)
-77 men
-33 women

Alice Paul and others broke from the mainstream women’s-rights movement and created a more radical wing, daring to push the boundaries of political protest to secure women’s voting rights in 1920. In light of what Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin have had to endure, do we not see history repeating itself!?

I can’t let this go. My own Republican rep. has NOT signed on to co-sponsor, even tho’ he DID in the last session of Congress. (I met with his senior field rep. yesterday, and it seemed like I had his ear. We discussed Sarah Palin at length and how PUMA, a predominantly Dem. organization overwhelmingly reached out in support of her! THIS FEELS VERY BIPARTISAN TO ME. My fervor for this might be a bit annoying for some, so my apologies in advance. Some others have asked, so I felt you all were due for an update.

I am personally having some second thoughts about abortion. I have a good friend whose grandson was born 3 months prematurely and is now doing fantastic. It was a real baby when it was born, not just some tissue. Other friends of mine who are now pregnant are showing me ultrasounds taken in the first and 2nd trimester that show extreme details. You can see the fingernails and toenails and even eyelashes. These friends said they saw them yawning and stretching, and even indicated that there are brainwaves in the first trimester. I don’t know how they know that, but apparently they were at least told that by their obgyn. I’m not judging those who are having abortions. I am personally having some serious second thoughts about them and wondering if maybe (just maybe) they should reevaluate how “human” a fetus really is based on modern technology. I’m beginning to think that this is a far more complex issue than what I first thought.

LEGISLATION

HR 2749 – The Food Safety Enhancement Act of 2009

More at 411 on the 111 on pumapac forum:

http://pumapac.org/forums/411-on-the-111/comment-page-5/#comment-341113 posts 216-218

Hope

Was going to respond by raising the issues of autonomy and privacy but I will instead refer you to a post by Violet Socks.

http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/category/blogging-for-choice/

Here’s an excerpt:

Listen: 30 years ago I took the pro-choice side in a high school debate on abortion. I gave a good solid presentation, listing all the reasons why it was right and necessary for women to have the right to an abortion: because it’s a matter of fundamental bodily integrity, because the decision to bear a child belongs solely to the person doing the bearing, because women will seek abortions no matter what and if they’re illegal then thousands of women will suffer or die from back-alley hack jobs, etc., etc. When I sat down, I was genuinely curious to see how my debate opponent would answer my arguments.

She didn’t even try. She didn’t address a single point, didn’t discuss a single question of law or rights or statistics. Instead, she pulled out a piece of paper and started reading: “Mommy, I’m 8 inches long and I have all my organs! I love the sound of your voice…” It was the Talking Fetus pamphlet! Yes, that thing. It was making the rounds 30 years ago and it’s still out there today. It’s like the Christmas fruitcake that won’t die.

Anyway, my debate opponent read this thing with a trembling voice, her eyes welling with tears as the wee diary-keeping embryo drew ever closer to its destiny with Jesus. By the end she and the whole class were sobbing — snot dripping out, the whole bit. I leaned my head against the wall and wished our teacher would schedule a lesson on propaganda.

I don’t remember if, when I got up to respond, I actually said, “You do realize that this wasn’t really written by a baby, right?”, but I was certainly thinking it. It wouldn’t have mattered though. At that point my classmates would have sooner voted for roasting live kittens than for abortion, and in fact in their minds it was pretty much the same thing.

And that’s still how the anti-choice people think, which is to say, they don’t really think. They just fantasize about talking fetuses and cry. So, instead of trying to fight them with reasons, maybe we should just circulate some really, really sappy pamphlets. I know: we could do one written from the point of view of a woman bleeding to death on the floor of a motel bathroom as the illegal abortionist hightails it out of there
with the cash and the coathanger in his pocket. It could end with the dead woman in Jesus’s arms, asking “Whatever happened to Roe v. Wade?”

LOW-LEVEL TERRORISM

Pentagon Exam Calls Protests ‘Low-Level Terrorism,’ Angering Activists

A written exam administered by the Pentagon labels “protests” as a form of “low-level terrorism” — enraging civil liberties advocates and activist groups who say it shows blatant disregard of the First Amendment.

The written exam, given as part of Department of Defense employees’ routine training, includes a multiple-choice question that asks:

“Which of the following is an example of low-level terrorism?”
— Attacking the Pentagon
— IEDs
— Hate crimes against racial groups
— Protests

The correct answer, according to the exam, is “Protests.”

“Its part of a pattern of equating dissent and protest with terrorism,” said Ann Brick, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, which obtained a copy of the question after a Defense Department employee who was taking the test printed the screen on his or her computer terminal.

“It undermines the core constitutional values the Department of Defense is supposed to be defending,” Brick said, referring to the First Amendment right to peaceably assemble.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526972,00.html

Gay critics say ‘too little, too late’ from Obama!

Sounds like some Americans are waking up to the fact, that they may have thrown their vote away. Too dam bad they could not have figured that out earlier. In this CNN article, it states that over 70% of gay/lesbians voted for El Smuckoo. Too dam bad! I think I’ll send a letter to LGBT head and see if they’ll put a PUMA logo on their website. That would scare the hell out of the OBOTS, wouldn’t it?

I come here to express opinion because I think it’s safe to do so. I know we don’t agree on all the issue but we have common issue’s. Can we post opinions with out attaching each other?

#168 that is priceless.

If science leads us to the conclusion that all males should submit to de-testosteronization or that the number of males born should be limited, would it make sense for the state to impose that or for us to support the State’s intrusion into men’s private bodies?
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maybe…let’s ask Dances what she thinks

I understand what y’all are saying regarding a woman’s choice of what happens with her body. I agree. I’m 1000% in favor of a woman’s right over her body. The thing I’m questioning is if a baby is a “little human” and not just tissue, would they have the same constitutional rights that we do? You know “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”? Modern DNA technology has proven some on death row to be guilty beyond doubt; and others on death row were exonerated based on technology that wasn’t available when they were convicted. Shouldn’t we use modern technology that wasn’t available when Roe Vs Wade was passed to either prove or disprove that the baby is truly human or not? If modern technology can prove that a fetus is only tissue, and not “living” like a little tiny animal, that would put to rest all abortion doubters. On the other hand, if modern technology proved that the fetus is truly “living”, are we doing wrong to innocent lives by purposely avoiding examining it that way? Modern technology could very likely put any doubts to rest one way or the other. If it is a “baby” and not just tissue, are we doing wrong by ignoring their right to life? Does this deserve the same attention with modern technology that someone on death row has? I’m not sure anymore. I think it would be wise to use the modern tools available now to set the issue firmly to rest.

Changing the subject, “Biden and Hillary want Obama to strike firmer tone on Iran”:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us/politics/18prexy.html?_r=2&hp
This paragraph:

“Even while supporting the president’s approach, senior members of the administration, including Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, would like to strike a stronger tone in support of the protesters, administration officials said.”

That’s our gal!!!

HopePuma:
That’s why I think someone tripped or pushed her yesterday. Take her out of the limelight.

no, Hope-an insensate fetus should not have constitutional rights.

a sensate fetus that cannot survive outside of the mother’s body should not have constitutional rights.

a 6 month old fetus the mother CHOOSES not to carry to term-nope, no constitutional rights.

It’s nobody’s business but the mother’s.

You cite “modern technology” in your comment.

Because we have “modern technology” that can keep a fetus alive outside the mother’s body-should Roe be overturned?

We could offer women the option of having fetuses surgically removed and kept on life support until they can eat and breathe on their own?

Note to self-reread Atwood’s *A Handmaid’s Tale*…

Rancho, that’s too deep for me, LOL. The “soul” is a part that nobody has even proven really exists, have they? I probably phrased that wrong. Rather than “human” I should have said “living”. IF a baby is “living” when in the womb, such as even a nonhuman animal like a dog or cat, would we want to tear it apart limb from limb or inject something into it’s brain or heart to kill it? Think of doing this to your pet, not just a human. What we need to determine isn’t at what point a non-proven “soul” enters, but at what point is it even “living” like a puppy or kitten? We send people to prison for being cruel to animals. Here again I get to the thing that I am personally struggling with. Is a fetus just tissue or is it alive? If it is alive, then we are murdering it. If it isn’t, then we aren’t. Can modern technology determine if it is “alive” (soul or not) or disprove it being alive? Do we need to err on the side of caution by using modern technology to make sure it isn’t truly “alive”?? Do we owe them that much “just in case”? Or, if modern technology proved it was not living, it would put to rest the whole debate for good.

Good points Persephone. I need to add that to my “think tank” to “chew” on along with the other things I’m “chewing” on this topic. I knew just saying what’s on my mind would help clarify things here.

DancesWithPumas 06.18.09 at 10:55 am

maybe…let’s ask Dances what she thinks
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I’d like to see aggression socialized out of males, and a reverence for life bred into them.

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Yup and pass a law to beat it into them!! Or surgically remove the pituitary gland!!

Because cats are independent and do not really need people. These same yound men often grow up to torture people.

OOPS! Betty, not Billie

Appreciated Greta’s question re. NOW’s lack of support

BigCatLover 06.18.09 at 11:23 am

Because cats are independent and do not really need people. These same young men often grow up to torture people.

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So are they only seeing pain in their lives? Is it an imbalance of hormones, should they be tested and treated “periodically” and rendered sterile if tendencies continue? Does it make them feel powerful?
Our culture does make men desensitized and insecure, so they must gain power over others. We teach them to be strong, unfeeling and to kill.
Dances has the answer we as a culture reap what is sown……

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/8/an-open-letter-to-our-nations-leadership

This is a must sign and a must read for everyone, plus get out to your email list…

Glenn Beck: The Letter

June 17, 2009 – 10:36 ET

Sign the petition: An open letter to our nation’s leadership
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GLENN: I got a letter from a woman in Arizona. She writes an open letter to our nation’s leadership: I’m a home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life. Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I no longer felt the Democratic Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. Now I no longer feel the Republican Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views or works to pursue the issues important to me. There must be someone. Please tell me who you are. Please stand up and tell me that you are there and that you’re willing to fight for our Constitution as it was written. Please stand up now. You might ask yourself what my views and issues are that I would horribly feel so disenfranchised by both major political parties. What kind of nut job am I? Will you please tell me?

Well, these are briefly my views and issues for which I seek representation:

One, illegal immigration. I want you to stop coddling illegal immigrants and secure our borders. Close the underground tunnels. Stop the violence and the trafficking in drugs and people. No amnesty, not again. Been there, done that, no resolution. P.S., I’m not a racist. This isn’t to be confused with legal immigration.

Two, the TARP bill, I want it repealed and I want no further funding supplied to it. We told you no, but you did it anyway. I want the remaining unfunded 95% repealed. Freeze, repeal.

Three: Czars, I want the circumvention of our checks and balances stopped immediately. Fire the czars. No more czars. Government officials answer to the process, not to the president. Stop trampling on our Constitution and honor it.

Four, cap and trade. The debate on global warming is not over. There is more to say.

Five, universal healthcare. I will not be rushed into another expensive decision. Don’t you dare try to pass this in the middle of the night and then go on break. Slow down!

Six, growing government control. I want states rights and sovereignty fully restored. I want less government in my life, not more. Shrink it down. Mind your own business. You have enough to take care of with your real obligations. Why don’t you start there.

Seven, ACORN. I do not want ACORN and its affiliates in charge of our 2010 census. I want them investigated. I also do not want mandatory escrow fees contributed to them every time on every real estate deal that closes. Stop the funding to ACORN and its affiliates pending impartial audits and investigations. I do not trust them with taking the census over with our taxpayer money. I don’t trust them with our taxpayer money. Face up to the allegations against them and get it resolved before taxpayers get any more involved with them. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, hello. Stop protecting your political buddies. You work for us, the people. Investigate.

Eight, redistribution of wealth. No, no, no. I work for my money. It is mine. I have always worked for people with more money than I have because they gave me jobs. That is the only redistribution of wealth that I will support. I never got a job from a poor person. Why do you want me to hate my employers? Why ‑‑ what do you have against shareholders making a profit?

Nine, charitable contributions. Although I never got a job from a poor person, I have helped many in need. Charity belongs in our local communities, where we know our needs best and can use our local talent and our local resources. Butt out, please. We want to do it ourselves.

Ten, corporate bailouts. Knock it off. Sink or swim like the rest of us. If there are hard times ahead, we’ll be better off just getting into it and letting the strong survive. Quick and painful. Have you ever ripped off a Band‑Aid? We will pull together. Great things happen in America under great hardship. Give us the chance to innovate. We cannot disappoint you more than you have disappointed us.

Eleven, transparency and accountability. How about it? No, really, how about it? Let’s have it. Let’s say we give the buzzwords a rest and have some straight honest talk. Please try ‑‑ please stop manipulating and trying to appease me with clever wording. I am not the idiot you obviously take me for. Stop sneaking around and meeting in back rooms making deals with your friends. It will only be a prelude to your criminal investigation. Stop hiding things from me.

Twelve, unprecedented quick spending. Stop it now.

Take a breath. Listen to the people. Let’s just slow down and get some input from some nonpoliticians on the subject. Stop making everything an emergency. Stop speed reading our bills into law. I am not an activist. I am not a community organizer. Nor am I a terrorist, a militant or a violent person. I am a parent and a grandparent. I work. I’m busy. I’m busy. I am busy, and I am tired. I thought we elected competent people to take care of the business of government so that we could work, raise our families, pay our bills, have a little recreation, complain about taxes, endure our hardships, pursue our personal goals, cut our lawn, wash our cars on the weekends and be responsible contributing members of society and teach our children to be the same all while living in the home of the free and land of the brave.

I entrusted you with upholding the Constitution. I believed in the checks and balances to keep from getting far off course. What happened? You are very far off course. Do you really think I find humor in the hiring of a speed reader to unintelligently ramble all through a bill that you signed into law without knowing what it contained? I do not. It is a mockery of the responsibility I have entrusted to you. It is a slap in the face. I am not laughing at your arrogance. Why is it that I feel as if you would not trust me to make a single decision about my own life and how I would live it but you should expect that I should trust you with the debt that you have laid on all of us and our children. We did not want the TARP bill. We said no. We would repeal it if we could. I am sure that we still cannot. There is such urgency and recklessness in all of the recent spending.

From my perspective, it seems that all of you have gone insane. I also know that I am far from alone in these feelings. Do you honestly feel that your current pursuits have merit to patriotic Americans? We want it to stop. We want to put the brakes on everything that is being rushed by us and forced upon us. We want our voice back. You have forced us to put our lives on hold to straighten out the mess that you are making. We will have to give up our vacations, our time spent with our children, any relaxation time we may have had and money we cannot afford to spend on you to bring our concerns to Washington. Our president often knows all the right buzzword is unsustainable. Well, no kidding. How many tens of thousands of dollars did the focus group cost to come up with that word? We don’t want your overpriced words. Stop treating us like we’re morons.

We want all of you to stop focusing on your reelection and do the job we want done, not the job you want done or the job your party wants done. You work for us and at this rate I guarantee you not for long because we are coming. We will be heard and we will be represented. You think we’re so busy with our lives that we will never come for you? We are the formerly silent majority, all of us who quietly work , pay taxes, obey the law, vote, save money, keep our noses to the grindstone and we are now looking up at you. You have awakened us, the patriotic spirit so strong and so powerful that it had been sleeping too long. You have pushed us too far. Our numbers are great. They may surprise you. For every one of us who will be there, there will be hundreds more that could not come. Unlike you, we have their trust. We will represent them honestly, rest assured. They will be at the polls on voting day to usher you out of office. We have cancelled vacations. We will use our last few dollars saved. We will find the representation among us and a grassroots campaign will flourish. We didn’t ask for this fight. But the gloves are coming off. We do not come in violence, but we are angry. You will represent us or you will be replaced with someone who will. There are candidates among us when hewill rise like a Phoenix from the ashes that you have made of our constitution.

Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian. Understand this. We don’t care. Political parties are meaningless to us. Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution and that is all that matters to us now. We are going to fire all of you who abuse power and seek more. It is not your power. It is ours and we want it back. We entrusted you with it and you abused it. You are dishonorable. You are dishonest. As Americans we are ashamed of you. You have brought shame to us. If you are not representing the wants and needs of your constituency loudly and consistently, in spite of the objections of your party, you will be fired. Did you hear? We no longer care about your political parties. You need to be loyal to us, not to them. Because we will get you fired and they will not save you. If you do or can represent me, my issues, my views, please stand up. Make your identity known. You need to make some noise about it. Speak up. I need to know who you are. If you do not speak up, you will be herded out with the rest of the sheep and we will replace the whole damn congress if need be one by one. We are coming. Are we coming for you? Who do you represent? What do you represent? Listen. Because we are coming. We the people are coming