What If We Had a Feminist Movement and Told Women to Keep Out?

by murphy on June 5, 2009

in Join us!,NEW Era for Women,Puma PAC,The Habit of Freedom

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Early meetings and CUPCAKES for lunch with HP and Persephone will keep this short.

. . .Whoa, got sucked into a blog civil war over at Twisty’s (of all places!) that erupted after Twisty used the word “cuntalina” to describe a woman with whom she violently disagrees. I was pretty shocked last week to read the original post with the word right there in the opening phrase, but I’m not too surprised by the reaction. When you’re practicing feminism at such rarefied heights it’s pretty easy to inflict nosebleeds. The whole episode probably means more to me than it does to you (but, hey who DOESN’T feel a guilty pleasure listening in on someone ELSE’s family argument?), but the comments, and Twisty’s reaction to them, offer, to me at least, a perfect illustration of how difficult it is to say I’m sorry to people who don’t like you or want to see you trip, even if (especially if!) you know you’re wrong. Being a blogger means saying I’m sorry. A lot. To people who really, really don’t like you.  And believe me, when you have a lot of readers and you take loud or radical or unpopular stands there are LOTS of people who don’t like you.

And some days it really kinda sucks.

But you know what REALLY sucks? How instantly one person’s mistake, lapse, egregiously revealing sin (however you choose to judge a PhD.-level feminist who refers to another woman as a cunt) becomes an indictment of individual feminists and of feminism itself. People in that environment actually DO get “kicked off the island” of feminism. Smart people, incredibly talented writers with razor-sharp wit and the keenest eye for sexism in all its pernicious forms West of the Mississippi and South of Carthage.

H’asta la vista Twisty, and thanks for all the tacos!

This theoretical approach to cultural studies is Aesthetic Feminism and it reallly kinda burns my oatmeal. It exalts vocabulary in theory above communication in real life. It knocks itself out describing on paper in minute, fustian detail the power dynamics inherent in static, proscribed relationships (Man versus Woman!) and ignores actual lives as lived by actual people. 

It’s like people were afraid that real live women would let us down if we made them central to our understanding of the Feminist Movement, or even better if we just went ahead and let real, live women BE central to the feminist movement. So we ran to Lacan and Foucault and Butler and a buncha other famous writers you might have never heard of who have written fascinating books about really interesting stuff. Why? Because feminism retreated from the streets in the early 1980′s and sought refuge in probably the silliest place to expect comfort or support: the hallowed halls of male-dominated academia. (Yeah, the institutions which canonize the misogynistic claptrap of a mediocre thinker like Aristotle are going to welcome with open arms women who know that Aristotle HATED women’s guts.) So feminism ran away from women and tried to make a place for itself in the universities, where it was instantly dispatched to the Gender Studies ghetto and from which it sends forth paper airplanes every now and then which are scrawled with messages basically boiling down to: “I would consider the real world but I find I cannot stop looking over my shoulder to make sure my Feminist credibility is still there and it doesn’t make my ass look fat.”

What is illustrated by the thread at Twisty’s place is what I can’t stand about post-modern feminism: it’s the victory of the reductionist thesis paper over the awkward, contradictory, but wholly lived life. It’s what happens when theory is refined down to a precision point so fine that it is impossible to see with the naked eye and even more impossible to care about.

Thanks a lot Feminism. When you ran away you left a BIG hole in our world. A hole that now gets filled with Mommy Blogs, non-stop coverage of the Mom-In-Chief, and Celebrity Worship so frenzied that it’s become nearly impossible to persuade the average woman she should care more about her own life than she does about Angelina Jolie’s.

The fact it is even possible to formulate the question, “Is this or that woman a feminist?” without being laughed out of the conversation for making such an absurd, non-sensical statement shows how utterly the Feminist Movement abandoned us. 

ALL women are feminists. Every single last one. Even women who hate women. Even women who hurt women. ALL women are feminists. Just like all people born in this country are American Citizens, even the murderers, the child abusers, and the very very stupid and boring people. ALL women, simply by having the great fortune of being born a girl, are heirs and members of the Feminist Movement. ALL women are in our club. You don’t have to pass a test. You don’t have to know who Judith Butler or Twisty Faster is. You don’t have to care. You can use whatever words you want to. You can be as stupid or as ugly or as fat or as brilliant, young, educated, and perfect as you are.

Feminism is not a stance. It’s not a theory or a lifestyle or an ideology. Feminism is human existence as lived by women. It encompasses ALL women and girls, everywhere in the world, and it cannot be reduced, diminished, or defined for the purpose of keeping some women out. (And those women who attempt to do that are still, of course, feminists.)

So, stand up, walk out of the common sitting room, quit looking at your own ass and the asses of the women around you, and realize that Feminism is our BIRTHRIGHT, our inheritance, the one indissoluble asset which we can never lose and which can NEVER be taken from us. Oh, and WELCOME TO THE BIGGEST CLUB ON EARTH.

Oh, and have some cupcakes.

 

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admin 06.05.09 at 9:55 am

sorry, I sorta failed on the whole “keepin it short” business.

Pers and HP, I hope you werent expecting a CLEAN KITCHEN!!

:oops:

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LJSNAustin 06.05.09 at 10:05 am

After making those brilliant cupcakes, murphy, I don’t see how your kitchen COULD be clean! Donation on the way, even though I’m not officially first.

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 10:09 am

” quit looking at your own ass and the asses of the women around you”

ummmm . That’s just metaphorical right ? I mean it’s not an order or mandatory or anything , right ?

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 10:11 am

I like big butts and I can not lie

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greenfun 06.05.09 at 10:13 am

Obama administration and FKD sell out homeowners to the banksters
Department of Now It All Makes Sense Barack Obama
Fri, 06/05/2009 – 7:25am — lambert
Even the Times is noticing. Carl Hulse:

Mr. Obama did not mention that the measure he was signing, the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, was missing its centerpiece: a change in bankruptcy law he once championed that would have given judges the power to lower the amount owed on a home loan.

[Cramdown] had been stripped out three weeks earlier in a showdown between Senate Democrats and the nation’s banks, including many that are getting big government bailouts.

Getting fucked over by the banksters is one thing. Paying them to fuck you over is quite another. Read more…
http://www.correntewire.com/obama_administration_and_fkd_sell_out_homeowners_banksters

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murphy 06.05.09 at 10:14 am

as my frustrated six-year old artist daughter said to me once when I couldn’t understand what she was trying to say, “It’s a metaphor, YOU IDIOT!”

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 10:16 am

whew

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LJSNAustin 06.05.09 at 10:19 am

TT (or shall I call you “she who IS Texas”?), I’m glad you got clarification on that. I was having a bit of trouble with it myself.

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 10:27 am

LJSN – it’s ok , she was being metaphorical – no reason to panic .

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gordana 06.05.09 at 10:30 am

Watching Elie Wiesel and THE FRAUD at Buchenwald … one reading while the other speaking from HIS HEART.. makes me ashamed… that he has the hutzpah to even show his face there. But, I’m not surprised it’s just more of the same shit, only a different day.

Islam Sucks….

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 10:33 am

Some dude on the news just pointed out how Obama talked about women’s “right’ to wear the hijab , but never mentioned their right NOT to wear the hijab …

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 10:35 am

No she wasn’t. The E is now T :D

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 10:37 am

LOL ! damn , ya got me ;)

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scarlet 06.05.09 at 10:40 am

The Senate Judiciary Committee has released Sonia Sotomayor’s official questionnaire.

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/nominations/SupremeCourt/Sotomayor/upload/Questionnaire-2009.pdf

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 10:41 am

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persephone 06.05.09 at 10:42 am

murphy don’t you dare clean or I’ll never come back!
a dirty kitchen is a sign of.. I don’t know but whatever it’s a sign of I have it too!

how odd, I somehow saw that cuntalina comment, chasing my hat around the blogs one night.
and it shocked me shit out of me.
had no idea where I’d landed but didn’t think I’d be going back..
so what was the outcome??
almost linked it here…

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 10:43 am

Playboy removed the article from their site but it was titled ” Conservative women we’d like to ‘Hate F**K’

Is Hate F**K the new ‘cool’ term for RAPE ? Apparently .
I’m pissed .

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 10:43 am

Great post Murphy!

I have never been able to define my sense of being a “feminist” without finding myself to be unqualified or at best unworthy of the identity somewhere amongst more qualified and worthy feminists.

Whew! The pressure is off! There is a Goddess! :D

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persephone 06.05.09 at 10:51 am

bwahaha from murphys link:

i>But seriously, get off my fucking case already with this hypervigilant radfem hall monitor shit. The policey, self-righteous, gotcha bullshit around here generally is chapping my entire hide. When and if I commit some egregious ideological error that threatens the very fabric of the cosmos I’ll make Twisty fucking cop to it, as you fucking well know if you’ve been reading this blog for more than five minutes. But this cuntalina uproar is fucking absurd. Jayzus in a jetpack.

In conclusion: I’m not your fucking enemy, my dear asses, but if you like to think otherwise, I invite you to demand explanations and nominate Twisty for Misogynist of the Year to your heart’s content on some other fucking blog. The BDSMers hate Twisty, too, and will be happy to join you there.

ok, beverage committee must go chill…

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henry 06.05.09 at 11:02 am

Alice Rodham Puma
Sadly I do not believe they are still together but the gay penguin thing has been going on for awhile

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/07/MNG3N4RAV41.DTL

couldn’t find the article but I remember during thier peak they increased attendance by something comparable to the Gates show in central park.

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 11:03 am

“Playboy removed the article…”

I started to read that article… then two paragraphs down and a forward scroll… “fuck this!”

My sensibilities about not wading any further into the cesspool of a mind whose paternal ancestors obviously didn’t teach him that farting, in his case, is always a sign to head for the toilet.

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 11:05 am

…kicked in.

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 11:08 am

WBD – lol ! Eloquent as always :)

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henry 06.05.09 at 11:09 am

Elie Weisel spoke with sad ass?
Is that even possible? Does not compute. Refuse to believe. Toni Morrison was shatterring but Wiesel ever contributing to this sham I find beyond comprehension.

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 11:13 am

henry 06.05.09 at 11:02 am:

henry: BTW – you didn’t offend last night – I forgot to say goodnight.

I thought your post about Islam was excellent.

Sorry I left you hanging, my friend.

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 11:14 am

Eh hum …

I hear chickens ….

“Did AOL fire Tommy Christopher for criticizing Playboy?”

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/05/did-aol-fire-tommy-christopher-for-criticizing-playboy/

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simofish 06.05.09 at 11:15 am

Morning Puma’s —

Islam SUCKS and so does my JOB

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 11:16 am

TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 11:08 am:

I was practicing not trying to be a feminist. :D

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persephone 06.05.09 at 11:18 am

the State Dept sat on this until after Obama’s Cairo speech:

Europe and Eurasia: British Hostage Killed in Mali
Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:19:34 -0500

British Hostage Killed in Mali

Ian Kelly

Department Spokesman, Office of the Spokesman

Bureau of Public Affairs

Washington, DC

June 4, 2009

——————————————————————————–

We are shocked and saddened by the murder of British citizen Edwin Dyer at the hands of al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, operating in northern Mali. Our deepest condolences go to Mr. Dyer’s family and friends.

We condemn the recent killing, kidnappings and operations of al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb in northern Mali. This vicious and tragic act of terrorism highlights the need to continue our work against those who seek to spread violence and chaos throughout the region. We support efforts to bring the perpetrators to justice and encourage governments in the region to continue to work to counter and defeat these extremist elements.

also neglected to mention that Dyer was BEHEADED.

Too bad Obama didn’t address that.

Islam sucks.

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 11:19 am

simofish 06.05.09 at 11:15 am :

“and so does my JOB”

ahhhhhhh, simofish. I hate that for ya.

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persephone 06.05.09 at 11:19 am

#29 cont.

to the State Dept’s credit-at least the used the word TERRORISM.

rant over.

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 11:22 am

Re: Tommy
When you prostitute and allow yourself to become a mouthpiece for the talking points of a corporation (or political agenda) you are forever bound to their service .

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persephone 06.05.09 at 11:23 am

TT

there was another article on Hotair about Playboy’s *right* to run that article.
Wish I could find it for ya but I’m going over to murphy’s now-somebody has to peel her off of that Twisty blog.. ;-)

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henry 06.05.09 at 11:25 am

Wow I cannot grasp the fact that the man who penned Night and The Oath could ever speak with the fraud. Is it too early for a gin martini? PS did you know that weisels foundation lost almost everything to Madoff?

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 11:29 am

Re: Cimbalo, Christopher, AOL, Time Warner, Playboy…

That “media relationship” thing is not only deplorable, it’s more in line with communist country censorship-journalism than we might want to believe.

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simofish 06.05.09 at 11:40 am

Thanks WBD — jeez I wish this economy was better. I am lucky to have a job – I get that but it SUCKS — but the silver lining – nothing SUCKS as bad as Islam

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 11:41 am

Tommy Christopher? Isn’t he the one who fed all the anti PUMA rhetoric and yes to democracy crap way back when… well, I have to say I kind of find it funny, although I shouldn’t because unemplyment isn’t but now he knows how pro- Clinton bloggers felt.

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 11:42 am

Is it him? the same one who is in Brad’s so called film.

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LJSNAustin 06.05.09 at 11:45 am

If the bar is open, I’ll have a mimosa please.

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 11:46 am

Anyway it’s still wrong that he should get sacked for that, but he has his sheep that will keep him in donations I’m sure.

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 11:47 am

ARP – I have some very deep seeded resentment of Tommy , and I seriously doubt that his diluded mind will equate this egregious account of censorship with the fact that he allowed himself to become a shill ..
So , while the actions of AOL are deplorable , I will say with all honesty , it couldn’t have happened to a better person .

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 11:53 am

Good Morning

LJSNAustin

The PUMA bar is always open

One Mimosa coming your way.
Clink

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 11:58 am

I was thinking after ObowtoIslam’s speech yesterday. How proud he is of his Muslim roots yesterday BUT It is very interesting that during the campaign you could not mention Muslim and Obama in the same sentence.
You could not mention Hussein without being called a racist.
He had his Muslim grandmother in Kenya under lock and key, he denied his father was Muslim he said even in his books his father was an atheist.
He said he was too young to remember his life in Indonesia.

Boy how things have CHANGED.
Amazing.

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:59 am

HP and Pers! Don’t leave! I’ll be there in 10 mins!
Doc’s appt ran late!

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 11:59 am

That sorta sums up how I feel too TT, it’s wrong, but yeah…

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 12:02 pm

Make mine a Bloody Mary , Fla. (spicey please )

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 12:03 pm

spicy

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persephone 06.05.09 at 12:04 pm

Ok murphy I’m on your front steps!

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 12:08 pm

You got it TT very spicy.

Just so you all know happy hour is at 1pm EST Two for One. The buffett is at 4PM but cupcakes served all day with a Puma business card.

FL and MI residents half price on Tuesdays.

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simofish 06.05.09 at 12:14 pm

I want to hang out over at Murphs house today !!!

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henry 06.05.09 at 12:14 pm

FLBarbara
Do you get an extra long shot if you live in an area which traditionally votes democrat?

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 12:23 pm

Henry

Those residents get a shot called the ACORN You have to prove you were dead during your states primary.

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henry 06.05.09 at 12:26 pm

If I have to battle a Black Panther wielding a baton spewing obscenities is the next round on the house?

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 12:26 pm

Simofish

I would love to go to Murphys house too. It’s a sucky rainy day..again in NY

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 12:30 pm

I can’t go to Murphy’s cause now I know she will be trying to catch me looking at everyone’s butts .(it’s completely involuntary )

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 12:34 pm

Henry

No, the New Black Panthers are here to stay…you need to get used to them. They are not there to intimidate you because of your choice of drink.
They are there to help you decide prehaps in another choice of drink.
No worries Henry

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DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 12:35 pm

Curious about what everyone thinks about Murphy’s statement “all women are feminists”.
What say you?

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simofish 06.05.09 at 12:36 pm

TT — for you baby, just for you !!

http://www.travelblog.org/Photos/2160773.html

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scarlet 06.05.09 at 12:41 pm

MICROSOFT MAY MOVE JOBS OFFSHORE

June 3 (Bloomberg) — Microsoft Corp. Chief Executive Officer Steven Ballmer said the world’s largest software company would move some employees offshore if Congress enacts President Barack Obama’s plans to impose higher taxes on U.S. companies’ foreign profits.

“It makes U.S. jobs more expensive,” Ballmer said in an interview. “We’re better off taking lots of people and moving them out of the U.S. as opposed to keeping them inside the U.S.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aAKluP7yIwJY

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 12:42 pm

ATTY Gen Holder statement on the President’s commitment to protecting Musilms in the US .

“The President’s pledge for a new beginning between the United States and the Muslim community takes root here in the Justice Department where we are committed to using criminal and civil rights laws to protect Muslim Americans .” http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090604.html

Where does that leave his “committment” to WOMEN or the LGBT community ?????
These ‘committemnts’ do NOT jibe

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 12:44 pm

simo- thanks for the new screensaver ! lol !

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scarlet 06.05.09 at 12:44 pm

CREATING JOBS

Austin, Texas Requires Green Audit for Real Estate or Face Criminal Charges

Local government of Austin ‘green’ ordinance requires mandatory $300 ‘clean energy audit’ according to NBC affiliate; Non-compliance classified as Class C misdemeanor.

The government is continuing to encroach on freedoms more and more in the name of climate change. Case in point: An ordinance that went into effect June 1 stating if you sell your home in Austin, Texas and you fail to get a clean energy “green” audit, you will likely face criminal charges.

According to a June 1 segment on the Austin NBC affiliate KXAN, a clean energy audit will cost homeowners about $300 “to inspect windows, insulation, duct work and air filtration.”

But the KXAN piece didn’t condemn the added bureaucracy imposed on home sellers, but instead bragged the ordinance created jobs.

Local governments are more and more taking a more proactive role in fighting so-called anthropogenic climate change. Earlier this year it was reported that the City of Madison, Wis. had been eyeing Draconian climate change ordinances that would regulate development, tree removal, fast food restaurants and parking.

http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090603164852.aspx

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 12:47 pm

DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 12:35 pm

I think it’s quite a contraversial statement to make, because there are women who actually seem to revel in disliking all other women, and also self loathing women so I don’t really know how that works, but it all comes from being conditioned into that state of being anyway. Murphy did mention that and refutes the claim that they are not feminists, and I suppose unless they live their lives as an absolute doormat in every single way then at some stage they must stand up for their own rights. It’s an interesting point of view and I don’t fully agree with Murphy on that but I do see why she says it.

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 12:54 pm

It leaves women and the LGBT community under the bus.
Where else?

He has made a “commitment” to everyone but 51 percent of the population.

51 percent of the population is not a priority. He “won” with or without us and he will win again unless we come out from under the bus and start driving the bus to Washington.

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 12:56 pm

D- I had a feeling you would seize that one ;)

I like that I have never considered Murphy’s position on feminism before . I like to have my perceptions challenged .
I am trying to let it sink in and then see where I sit with it .
It’s an interesting concept , and quite possibly a ‘game changer’ .
I need time to digest the implications .
Regardless of where I end up on the issue , I am impredded by the radical notion .

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goofsmom 06.05.09 at 12:56 pm

Dances,

#57 – In Re – It’s difficult to respond to your question. I feel Murphy is right in the fact that feminist shouldn’t be an exclusive sorority.
_____________________________________________
“ALL women are feminists. Just like all people born in this country are American Citizens, even the murderers, the child abusers, and the very very stupid and boring people. ALL women, simply by having the great fortune of being born a girl, are heirs and members of the Feminist Movement. ALL women are in our club.

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 12:56 pm

impressed

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 1:13 pm

I am not really sure if all woman are feminists. I guess it depends upon your definition of what a feminist is.

If you believe just because you are born a female you’re a feminist, then yes.

IMHO. I believe a feminist stands for women being able to make choices for themselves in how to live their lives
If you want to raise a family, or if you want a career, or if you want both I stand by you.

The problem is many woman label each other. working, stay at home and fight against each others right to chose.
We put each other in separate boxes instead of one large box. It is why we do not get anywhere as a gender.

The boys club welcomes everyone..no boxes, no labels. They understand the power is in the force not the label.

Feminist label keeps some women in a box and some woman out of the box.

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goofsmom 06.05.09 at 1:19 pm

FL Barbara,

I agree the label has been demonized and maybe that is the whole point. To change the way the term Feminist is used. Making it into the “All Girls Club” so we can come together and stop putting ourselves into boxes. The boxes and labels are our worst enemy.

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 1:29 pm

Dances:

It was liberating for me – with all due respect for the women and men who have devoted their entire lives to equality and recognition for Women – for a plethora of reasons that I won’t go into

In fact, now that I think about it, there were many progressive feminists in my life, especially as a child.

Had my perspective been broadened then, so would have the opportunity for dialog and a greater appreciation for the stands they were taking, their accomplishments as teachers, doctors, secretary, mothers, cafe owners, etc., I now think.

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 1:32 pm

Goofsmom

Yes the Feminist label has turned into one some women fear and others revere.

I have been told by women you don’t look like a feminist.
What does a feminist look like?
The Box again, I love fashion,I campaigned in heels, I love a day of beauty, makeup and nails done. I do it for me. I own my own business but I moved to Fl for my husbands job.It was my choice.
I travel the world fighting for womens rights not as a Feminist but as a woman who believes in equal rights for woman.
Yet to some woman I am a barbie doll and the door to the Feminist club stays shut.

We have to allow all women in and I believe that is Murphys point.

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CJK 06.05.09 at 1:36 pm

Some thoughts re Murphy’s idea that all women are feminists: Perhaps there are different ways of being feminists, just as there are different ways of being citizens (e.g., there are natural born citizens and naturalized citizens; there are effective, responsible citizens who value the great privilege of citizenship by taking the time to know and understand their country’s founding principles and by exercising their right to vote in order to uphold and strengthen those principles and thereby strengthen their native-born or adopted country;, and there are ineffective, irresponsible citizens who don’t value the privilege of citizenship, don’t bother knowing/understanding their country’s founding principles or exercising their right to vote). So, perhaps there are feminists who value the great privilege of being women, etc., and feminists who don’t. Along that line, I would also venture that there are what I might call rogue/traitor feminists, feminists who actually hate women and do not wish for women to be strong and successful, because, caring only about themselves and nothing for other women, they believe their only path to any kind of power is to condone/support/advance the corrupt male power structure.

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honora 06.05.09 at 1:39 pm

Pink champagne and chocolate cupcakes on me. Rasmussen has the percent of people ‘stongly approving’ of Obama as equal to the percent of people that ‘strongly disapprove’ of Obama. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SINCE ELECTION DAY that the number has been equal. At times the poll was +30 strongly approving over strongly disapproving. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history We were right all the time!!!!

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 1:42 pm

I read the other day:

“If no one told me who I was, who would I be?”

It, too, was a liberating consideration.

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 1:43 pm

BBL

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emme 06.05.09 at 1:46 pm

scarlet 06.05.09 at 12:41 pm
MICROSOFT MAY MOVE JOBS OFFSHORE
*******************
Ugh! I don’t care WHERE Microsoft sells their products – whether here OR oversees. But, American products should be MADE IN AMERICA. American workers are the best workers on the planet. I think we should tax the pants off of ANY American corporation who plans, is in the process of, or is already “offshoring” our jobs in the name of CORPORATE GREED. Microsoft is already choking on their profits. A pox on them all.
:mrgreen:

Oops – sorry – good morning PUMAs!

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 1:47 pm

Put it another way, I don’t think anyone should be excluded from the feminist “club”, but I don’t know how you account for those who swear they are not feminists and try work against women who are, and often quite deliberately.

That said it does annoy the hell out of me to hear or read certain sections of the feminist movement trying to define what feminism isn’t and in doing so trying to exclude feminists who are just because they have a different angle on things, like for example … not supporting Obama.

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emme 06.05.09 at 1:47 pm

oops again – good afternoon!

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Cinie 06.05.09 at 1:53 pm

I’ve never called myself a feminist, for one thing, I’ve always felt that to do so separates out being a woman from being a proud woman. So, in a strange way, though I reject the label, I still agree with Murphy. All women are feminists. It’s just that for me, self-identifying as a woman is more than enough.

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 1:54 pm

“If no one told me who I was then who would I be?”

Great quote

Maybe a Feminist should be a woman who doesn’t believe she is who they told her she is.

She is the one outside of the box they put her in.
She doesn’t care about the labels they force her to wear.
She knows who she is because she believes in her own ability and capability

And she can run barefoot,or in workboots or in heels and be comfortable with herself..

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emme 06.05.09 at 2:00 pm

FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 1:54 pm
“If no one told me who I was then who would I be?”
******************
Thanks FLBarbara – I love your post! Just printed it our for my desk at work.

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emme 06.05.09 at 2:03 pm

I can type today – meant printed it OUT for my desk

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FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 2:08 pm

Emme

That quote was from wontbackdown.

I love it too makes you really think.

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DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 2:20 pm

TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 12:56 pm
D- I had a feeling you would seize that one
————–
I brought it up because everyone seemed to be talking about everything but Murphy’s powerful post.

I quoted that specific line because I wondered about the definition of “feminism”, and because it triggered a reminder of Nov 5, when everyone was declared a “Puma”… regardless of their party affiliation, political motivations and goals, political agenda, political positions, etc.

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goofsmom 06.05.09 at 2:50 pm

Dances,

So true, everyone was and is a puma… :)

Wontbackdown,

Loved the quote too…

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goofsmom 06.05.09 at 2:54 pm

Maybe we should name a third party “Women”. Short, sweet, to the point and all women can join, cause their all women.

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goofsmom 06.05.09 at 2:54 pm

Oops… their = they’re

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goofsmom 06.05.09 at 2:56 pm

I like the idea… The Republican Party, The Democratic Party and best of all The Women Party.

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 3:00 pm

A woman scorned: Flint quits accusing Brown of running a two-tier government and using women as ‘window dressing’

By Nicola Boden and Ian Drury
Last updated at 7:02 PM on 05th June 2009

A sixth minister (Caroline Flint) resigned today with a devastating attack on Gordon Brown accusing him of running a ‘two tier’ Government and treating women in his Cabinet as ‘female window dressing’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1190834/Brown-launches-emergency-reshuffle-James-Purnell-quits-tells-go.html

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 3:04 pm

goofsmom 06.05.09 at 2:56 pm

Me too!

How about: NAWP: Non-Affiliated Women’s Party ?

NAWP = the feminist slang of “Nope” ;)

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grlpatriot 06.05.09 at 3:05 pm

Brilliant post, Murphy. I agree wholeheartedly.

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goofsmom 06.05.09 at 3:10 pm

Wontbackdown,

LOL… Nope to the good ol’ boys club… hehehe…

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persephone 06.05.09 at 3:13 pm

dances-wdyt about every woman being a feminist??

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persephone 06.05.09 at 3:15 pm

TT #60

Good to know our justice dept is committed to protecting Muslims. and Black Panthers.

Going to throw up now.

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 3:25 pm

wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 3:00 pm

yup, Chairman Brown is almost finished anyways, but he has reduced the number of women in the cabinet even further today. The Labour Party have done very very badly in the local election results today and are expected to do even worse in the European Elections.

Here is the full text of Ms Flint’s resignation letter for those interested:

“Dear Gordon,

I believe the achievements of the Labour Government to date have been monumental and you have played an immense part in the creation of those achievements.

However, I am extremely disappointed at your failure to have an inclusive Government.

You have a two tier Government. Your inner circle and then the remainder of Cabinet.

I have the greatest respect for the women who have served as full members of Cabinet and for those who attend as and when required.

However, few are allowed into your inner circle.

Several of the women attending Cabinet – myself included – have been treated by you as little more than female window dressing.

I am not willing to attend Cabinet in a peripheral capacity any longer.

In my current role, you advised that I would attend Cabinet when Europe was on the agenda. I have only been invited once since October and not to a single political Cabinet – not even the one held a few weeks before the European elections.

Having worked hard during this campaign, I would not have been party to any plan to undermine you or the Labour Party in the run up to 4 June.

So I was extremely angry and disappointed to see newspapers briefed with invented stories of my involvement in a “Pugin Room plot”.

Time and time again I have stepped before the cameras to sincerely defend your reputation in the interests of the Labour Party and the Government as a whole.

I am a natural party loyalist. Yet you have strained every sinew of that loyalty.

It has been apparent for some time that you do not see me playing a more influential role in the Government.

Therefore, I have respectfully declined your offer to continue in the Government as Minister for Europe attending Cabinet.

I served six years as a backbencher and, therefore, I am not unhappy to be able to devote myself to promoting my constituency’s interests and to support the Labour Government from the backbenches.

This is a personal decision, which I have not discussed with colleagues.

Yours

Rt Hon Caroline Flint MP”

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DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 3:33 pm

persephone 06.05.09 at 3:13 pm
dances-wdyt about every woman being a feminist??
—————
I think the majority of feminists are “everyday women”, not having the benefit, again, of what that term means as you use it.
Just like naming all people present on this blog, “Pumas”, naming all women as “feminists”, is difficult to grapple with because it means pro-forced pregnancy women and now feminists, anti-women women are now ‘feminists’, at least as proclaimed by Murphy.
In the same way anti-reproductive rights people, people who were republicans, and still are, people who were never democrats, people who wouldnt have voted for HRC anyway, were suddenly “Pumas”, as declared by Murphy. The closest I come to accepting that statement is: all women and men benefit from feminist accomplishments.

Might as well say all people are ‘feminists’, all people are ‘Pumas’, which would include bush2, bush3 (obama inc.), the religious right, believers in Islam, etc.

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mimi1020 06.05.09 at 3:33 pm

Good afternoon PUMAs!

I just love reading your posts. they make me laugh, they make me mad, they make me sad, but mostly, they make me laugh!

Anyways, just wanted to check in to let you all know that the fundraiser went great! All is going well and I am staying strong.

When you guys have a chance, check this out! http://tr.im/nygn
ok, back to stealth mode.

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DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 3:33 pm

persephone 06.05.09 at 3:15 pm
TT #60
Good to know our justice dept is committed to protecting Muslims. and Black Panthers.
———-
Hey now! They’re feminists, and Pumas.

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LJSNAustin 06.05.09 at 3:34 pm

I like murphy’s premise that all women are feminists. My interpretation of it is that, simply by virtue of our being born female, we inherently identify with other females and care about our self-survival. We care about our own advancement and the advancement of our gender. Then as we mature and get out in the real world (as early as Kindergarten probably), the patriarchy begins to take hold. This is where the wheat starts to separate from the chaff, or as FLBarbara puts it, we put each other in boxes with labels. Somewhere along the line, we completely forget who we are.

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michelina 06.05.09 at 3:45 pm

Okay, time for my personal feeling.

Yes, murphy said all “females” are feminist.
A whole lot more truer than her saying
“all republicans are PUMA’S”

don’t think so dances—-been lurking too long.

She’d like to UNITE all people to be PUMA’S,
but I don’t see murphy speaking in any GENERALITIES
whether right or wrong EVAH!!

don’t get your oxymorons???

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goofsmom 06.05.09 at 3:57 pm

Michelina,

RE: Dances # 98…

Murphy said “ALL women are feminists. Every single last one. Even women who hate women. Even women who hurt women. ALL women are feminists.”

Therefore, Dances statement would be correct Muslim women would be feminists and women of the Black Panther movement would be feminists. I didn’t find it oxymoronic at all, more a furthering of the discussion…

Which Dances has a point… and so does Murphy… so I am pondering….

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michelina 06.05.09 at 4:02 pm

Being a Hillary responder, and a PUMA from day one,
her is my interepretation:

Hillary was put down for POLITICAL and at times
personal reasons.

Political: Repugs threw their support behind
Mr. Obama, knowing that Hillary would beat the
pants off McCain—the Good old boys on BOTH
sides couldn’t handle it and and neither could
of the women.

These people who set out to STOP Hillary, were
scared to death that she would UNITE the biggest
majority in this country. US—-WOMAN—-and
they would be viturally POWERLESS to stop her.
That’s where Obama fits in and the DNC—-as far
as the other women who betrayed her (part of politics)
I’ll wager it’s more Personal—–their greed and
lust for their own personal gain got in their way.

I do know this much, God help this country the day we all do
unite against the demons who stop our empowerment and our children’s.

Every day I see a little more support for the woman’s movement,
woman’s rights etc………and whether we like their opinions
or not—–they are feminists.

It took a long long time for Alice Paul to win, but in the
end, it wasn’t the president, it was the WOMeN (rich, powerful
women) in power, who pushed it over the line.

PS Alice Paul reminds me of Murhpy—–it’s so strange.

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michelina 06.05.09 at 4:05 pm

Hi Goofmom:

NO, I don’t think murphy said that muslim women
are feminists. but if you’ll excuse me, the one’s
who put their life on the line, to educate, and Love
who they chose (MALI)—-what would you call them????

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michelina 06.05.09 at 4:05 pm

chose = choose

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goofsmom 06.05.09 at 4:11 pm

Michelina,

From Murphy’s post:
“It encompasses ALL women and girls, everywhere in the world, and it cannot be reduced, diminished, or defined for the purpose of keeping some women out.”

I read the part “everywhere in the world” and “ALL women and girls” to include aforesaid muslim women. JMHO

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michelina 06.05.09 at 4:15 pm

Granted Goofsmom:

Opinions are what we’re doing,
and I agree that alot of Muslim woman
are feminist, they would just be killed
if they said so—this is what we are taught.

Don’t forget, they are taught from DAY one,
at birth, who and what they should be, and
they all don’t fit that mold. The men, use
violence and cruelty to keep them down, as our
men do here.

We may not be able to help them out in the
third world, but we can HELP each other HERE and
at home.

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HP Boston 06.05.09 at 4:21 pm

I get it Murphy…we are so linked as women it is scary, as the hours we just spent each women nodding say yes me TOO! I was there,I saw that, that happened to me…we experience the same things. What shapes us and makes us seem different is time and place and the powers that wish us labeled, boxed up as a new toy for ??? you name it! We are pitted against each other b/c society wants us divided, its the good girl/bad girl.
fat/skinny/rich poor it’s a class system.
I also think it is b/c of economics..women were unpaid labor for so long it is still expected we will be the caregivers and the volunteers…we are being pushed back into domesticity and then we are the good FEM beings to the world!
Yes we are all feminists no mater what roll or road we choose.

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goofsmom 06.05.09 at 4:21 pm

Michelina,

“We may not be able to help them out in the
third world, but we can HELP each other HERE and
at home”

Absofreakinglutely!!!!

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HP Boston 06.05.09 at 4:29 pm

michelina 06.05.09 at 4:02 pm

These people who set out to STOP Hillary, were
scared to death that she would UNITE the biggest
majority in this country. US—-WOMAN—-and
they would be viturally POWERLESS to stop her.
That’s where Obama fits in and the DNC—-as far
as the other women who betrayed her (part of politics)
I’ll wager it’s more Personal—–their greed and
lust for their own personal gain got in their way.

——————–
SPOT ON!

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michelina 06.05.09 at 4:33 pm

Gotta go PUMA FEMMEinists

(((((((((PUMALAND)))))

will be lurking—–gotta work all damned weekend

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 4:49 pm

just a little bit of light heartedness

but us wimmins really shouldn’t get so uppity, you know democracy is in safe hands with men running the show. ;)

as this Australian MP demonstrates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CisHakr5yg

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Juliette 06.05.09 at 5:04 pm

Did anybody hear what Gov. Sarah Palin had to say about the O’Burka administration forsing Governments to take the stimulous money? So. Carolina’s supreme court ruled that that state must take O’Bullshits monopoly money. People are starting to see that Obama is not a president, he’s a dictator! Neil Cavuto was brilliant today demanding answers to why all of these new Czars answer to no one but O’Bloody Hell!
God, the same kind of blind ignorance and superfisciality that gave us 8 years of Bush has now given us this piece of shit dictator.

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ron4Hills 06.05.09 at 5:08 pm

I so hope that I am not breaching any internet protocol or being a sexist pig, but I saw a picture posted on another blog that is supposed to be Murphy and I can’t help saying , “Oooh, pretty.”

I read the post and I really liked it.

The one and only thing about the PUMA phenomenon that has made me sad is the way we seem to periodical attack each other and splinter off.

I don’t think I have ever read “Twisty” but I hope to get a chance in the future.

Let the Obamatrons and Republicans destroy their own. We need our friends even when they occassionally offend us. Don’t we?

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DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 5:34 pm

Warning: May be restimulating to survivors of rape/sexual abuse.

Child rape survivor saves ‘virgin myth’ victims
LONDON, England (CNN) — Hope was 14 years old when her uncle raped her.
“He trapped me to the ground and covered my mouth with his hand,” said the 18-year-old from Zimbabwe. “He threatened to kill me if I ever told anybody.” So, she kept quiet.
“After a while people around the villages started saying that I looked pregnant,” she said. Hope was not only pregnant, but her uncle had infected her with HIV.
Like many young girls in Zimbabwe, Hope was the victim of a widely held belief that if a man with HIV or AIDS rapes a virgin he will be cured of his disease. This so-called virgin myth, perpetuated by Zimbabwe’s traditional healers, has led to the rape of hundreds of girls, according to UNICEF. Some of those victims are too young to walk, much less protect themselves.
Betty Makoni has fought for nearly a decade to protect her country’s young girls from sexual abuse. And she’s witnessed some of the worst cases of the myth in action.
“The youngest girl I ever came across was a day-old baby who was raped,” said Makoni, 37.
Continued at:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/06/04/cnnheroes.betty.makoni/index.html

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 5:52 pm

So nobody found that youtube funny at all?

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 6:01 pm

Sorry DancesWithPumas I didn’t mean to ignore your post either, but I suffer from depression and these things really get me down sometimes and I am having to put up with a lot of shit in real life too so I was just trying to lighten the mood a little. I don’t know how to respond to things very well sometimes.

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Headclunker 06.05.09 at 6:15 pm

BO Approval Index Hits 00000000000000000000000000000000000!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

I guess the pretty words did not cover the ugly thoughts. Or maybe people are beginning to figure out that the BO “Controlled Inflation” Economic Recovery is just another way of picking their pockets.

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Juliette 06.05.09 at 6:15 pm

Alice Rodham #93
Thanks for posting that letter by Rt. Hon. Caroline Flint.
I only wish that Hillary Clinton had handed a letter like that to the DNC and Hussien Obama. I don’t know much about Caroline Flint, except that I like her for standing up for herself and her female colleagues.
CHeers to Caroline Brown

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Juliette 06.05.09 at 6:18 pm

Oh NO! I meant Cheers to Caroline Flint (not Brown!)

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HP Boston 06.05.09 at 6:33 pm

DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 5:34 pm

Warning: May be restimulating to survivors of rape/sexual abuse

———–
Whoa! This is the second time I have heard this godawful shit.
I am numb from the the image in my mind of tortured babies….
so reinforces my belief…NON belief of that good daddy in the sky!

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TexasTigress 06.05.09 at 6:37 pm

dances – ” and because it triggered a reminder of Nov 5, when everyone was declared a “Puma”… regardless of their party affiliation, political motivations and goals, political agenda, political positions, etc.”
___________\\

I remember that day . You may recall I did not like that day …
I am not sure this is the same , but I am still considering the whole notion . (you know it takes me time to process things)

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HP Boston 06.05.09 at 6:40 pm

Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 5:52 pm

So nobody found that youtube funny at all?

——————-
lol funny, but sad for the poor idiot who can not read!

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mick 06.05.09 at 6:46 pm

I realize I missed the bumper sticker contest but I came up with these two today.

“If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.”

“Somewhere in Hawaii/Indonesia/Illinois/take yer pick, a village is looking for its TURNCOAT UNPATRIOTIC APPEASER.”

:-)

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Alice Rodham Puma 06.05.09 at 6:56 pm

Dances, that’s the second time today I’ve cried my eyes out.

the other time was this

http://freemenow.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/kill-a-wife-1-yr-kill-a-dog-2-yr

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murphy 06.05.09 at 7:03 pm

hello everyone,

I havent been able to read the blog much today and have to run back out for another 2 hours, but I’m not ignoring the discussion — it’s just been a hell of a day and a week.

(cupcakes and mimosas were heaven of course!)

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mick 06.05.09 at 7:15 pm

FLBarbara 06.05.09 at 1:13 pm

AMEN! I agree 110%.

Bottomline is this statement ~
“I believe a feminist stands for women being able to make choices for themselves in how to live their lives.”

What works for me, may not work for you or the next woman. I’m a very independent conservative woman and I have never had a man tell me how to live my life, not once. BUT I have had other woman try to tell me that I “need” to think this way or that way in order to be a “feminist”, and often times it was my Liberal friends. It drives me crazy when another woman tells me that I’m not a feminist because I don’t meet “their” definition of that that means. Just crazy talk.

Btw, great post Murphy.

________________________________________

FLBarbara

I am not really sure if all woman are feminists. I guess it depends upon your definition of what a feminist is.

If you believe just because you are born a female you’re a feminist, then yes.

IMHO. I believe a feminist stands for women being able to make choices for themselves in how to live their lives
If you want to raise a family, or if you want a career, or if you want both I stand by you.

The problem is many woman label each other. working, stay at home and fight against each others right to chose.
We put each other in separate boxes instead of one large box. It is why we do not get anywhere as a gender.

The boys club welcomes everyone..no boxes, no labels. They understand the power is in the force not the label.

Feminist label keeps some women in a box and some woman out of the box.

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BillieJo 06.05.09 at 8:34 pm

Murphy – you have mail.

My idea on all women being feminists…………..the closer to 52% of the voting public under the umbrella, the better the chances we have of passing the ERA on a federal level, the better chances we have of fighting for equal pay, rights, liberty and getting Hillary or at least another good women in the WhiteHouse. Making the group a little exclusive click serves no one and accomplishes nothing that moves us forward. Yes that means Republican women, women of all religions and women that are uneducated, petty and even mean. All women need to fight together or we are having this same discussion 20 years from now, with a new generation fighting the same problems.
Open minds, open hearts, we could be a power to deal with.
Divide and concur.

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BillieJo 06.05.09 at 8:35 pm

Headclunker 06.05.09 at 6:15 pm

BO Approval Index Hits 00000000000000000000000000000000000!
——–
That made my day girl. Thank you.

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gojoyknocks 06.05.09 at 8:40 pm

“Feminism is human existence as lived by women.”
Perfection.

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BillieJo 06.05.09 at 8:40 pm

mick 06.05.09 at 6:46 pm

I realize I missed the bumper sticker contest but I came up with these two today.
————-
Those are great ones Mick……………
Maybe they can fit on the list of potential t-shirts?

I was on one of the rude boy blogs a couple of weeks ago, they made fun of some of my bumper stickers being to long…wondered if I drove a grey hound bus. It was really very funny and I laugh just thinking of it. Long winded but I needed to get the whole thought in and didn’t win. Hehehe.

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BillieJo 06.05.09 at 8:44 pm

ooops too long

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wontbackdown 06.05.09 at 9:19 pm

Bill Moyers with Independent Journalist Jeremy Scahill

June 5, 2009

Independent journalist Jeremy Scahill has some disappointing analysis for supporters of Barack Obama.

“It’s time to take off the Obama tee-shirts. This is a man who’s in charge of the most powerful country on earth.”

::snip::

According to Scahill, President Obama has moved from inheriting policies to adopting them, “Obama is sending one message to the world, but the reality on the ground, particularly when it comes to private military contractors, is that the status quo remains from the Bush era.”

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/06052009/profile.html

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persephone 06.05.09 at 9:34 pm

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Juliette 06.05.09 at 9:54 pm

With every MArxist policy Barak O’Burka pushes through it becomes more and more apparent just how difficult it will be to vote this guy out of office. Every dollar printed and spent comes back to him in a loop. Similar to his days it the IL state senate when a large grant he awarded to a hospital on which Michele Obama was a board member, came back to him in the forem of a tripled salary for his wife by that same hospital, every stimulas, tarp, bailout, foriegn appeasement and the like will equal fortified support for him in 2012. This election was in no way democratic. The next one will be just like the faux elections in Egypt.

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mick 06.05.09 at 9:55 pm

You Go Girl!!

Megyn Kelly responds to the vile piece in the Playboy rag advocating rape against her and other conservative women.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/06/05/megyn-kelly-strikes-back-playboy

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DeadGirl 06.05.09 at 10:15 pm

heh… posted this on Madam Secretary… a couple of days not blogging and I lose my bearing…

THIS is really about this current post of yours.

Well, Murphy, I got home after a few days in the Hospital, and here you have written a stunningly accurate and wonderfully worded indictment, and yes, explanation of, what feminism is, and what it THOUGHT/THINKS it is… and by the time I see it, you moved it on upstairs, but i still wanted to comment on it.

I actually stand by Twisty being able to say what ever she wants to, on her log, but hey, thats me. I once called my own self a cunt, by way of explaining how what we come from, is not who we are. Oh well.

Brilliant Writing. You never cease to amaze me. Too bad people who should appreciate your gift, never will, probably because they are paid by Axelrove to smear you. There is real power in this gift of yours.

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Juliette 06.05.09 at 10:18 pm

http://www.hufingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/palin-obama-wants-to-cont_n_211577.html

Sarah Palin is not very happy about the posibility that Alaska, like So.Carolina, will be forsed to keep Oburka’s monopoly money. I hate to use Huffington Post as a link to this story, but I wanted you all to see how every comment made by the Sorosocrats was peppered with sexism; no surprise.

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Juliette 06.05.09 at 10:25 pm

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Cinie 06.05.09 at 10:38 pm

You okay, DG? Hope so. And, you stay well, you hear?

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Juliette 06.05.09 at 10:47 pm

Mick 135

Although I have always, until now, considered myself a liberal democrat, there is no longer any other cable news for me but Fox News.
You just don’t hear this kind of ghetto misogyny coming from the right. Playboy Sucks. Islam Sucks, Obama sucks all that sucks!

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murphy 06.05.09 at 10:48 pm

hang on a sec, what’s wrong with dead girl?

and p.s. thank you very much DG. I was just talking about you a little while ago with Jr.

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:01 pm

reading the thread from the top down for once, and if FLBarb comes back on will you let us know how last night’s crisis is?

sorry if I’m about to find the answer in comments.

thanks.

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:03 pm

flb #49, a Puma Cupcake Shop would be AWESOME!

(if this is 4 in a row I am totally channeling Zee. Yo, Zee! where the heck are ya?)

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:10 pm

making it 5.

flbarb, goofsmom, wbd, and cjk, yes! I agree with everything you wrote.

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catsden 06.05.09 at 11:17 pm

BillieJO at Post #127:
Yes that means Republican women, women of all religions and women that are uneducated, petty and even mean. All women need to fight together or we are having this same discussion 20 years from now, with a new generation fighting the same problems.
Open minds, open hearts, we could be a power to deal with.
Divide and concur.
_________________________________
I couldn’t agree more with you. We can not be “a power to deal with” because we have no common goal (except maybe to mindlessly and constantly repeat Islam Sucks). I have found so many wonderful people to talk with here and to learn from and discover with; but every day I come to sign in I have to turn away. I am unwilling to remain quiet on this point. All religions suck. They try to tell everyone, especially women, how to behave, how to believe, and what is “proper.” I turned from that path a long time ago. Orthodox Jews tell their women to keep their bodies covered in public, to bear lots of children and to serve their men – does Judaism suck? Women all over the world have covered their heads with scarves and served their men. Morman women, Navajo women I have seen walking behind their men in Arizona, women from all over India cover their heads and bodies. My grandmothers did and they expected the same from me (and no they were not Muslims). Get over it.

PUMAS must decide what to fight for, not what to vilify. If you want women to be “free,” truly free then you must set a goal. Hatred is not a goal. Action, teaching, guiding are goals. Misogyny exists, racism exists, religious bias exists – people hate and fear one another. Hate makes you feel superior, but it is not a solution. What are our goals now?

I’ll go away now; it has been good to know you…BUT every day I go away saddened by what I read and I will not do that to myself any more.

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catsden 06.05.09 at 11:18 pm

ps. murphy – - your post today was stupendous.

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:25 pm

dwp #96, nope. men can’t be feminists.

they can support feminism. they can work to see the world in a feminist way, but they can’t BE feminists.

just like white people can’t BE black people. they can support, endorse, understand, and work for equal rights for black people, but they can never BE the black civil rights movement.

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Casper Cat 06.05.09 at 11:33 pm

Hey, Murphy great post!!!! :wink: Oh, I think that would be great!!! 7-11/18….. I would love to have a Party here… Great food, drinks and great Puma company… Oh, and you are welcome to stay here if you would like….. :wink: would love to have you… Wishing you the very best always…… Hugs, ((((Murphy))))

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Juliette 06.05.09 at 11:37 pm

Catsden #145

I still have to say that trying to draw parallels between whatever sexism exists in Christianity and Judaism to the extreemly violent misogyny that exist and is practised every day in the modern Muslim world just doesn’t make sense to me. We have a president (not so much elected s elected) that sympathizes with, makes excuses for and appologizes to on behalf of America to the Muslim world. When he speaks in the middle east he is okay with calling it The Muslim world even though there are many Christians and Jews who live there. But when he speaks of America; “we are no longer a Christian nation.. blah blah blah.
I support the mantra-Islam sucks, because somebody has to have the guts to say it. Sadly most of the liberal dems. lost their guts and submitted to the will O’Burka. I am sorry catsden that it makes you sad. What makes me sad is people being beheaded and women being stoned to death for the crime of being raped. This exists exclusively in the Muslim world because the its in the Koran. It will never change in the Muslim world because the Koran cannot be questioned by Muslims and you just cannot honestly say that this is not what Mohammed meant.
I am sorry catsden but Islam just plain sucks.

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DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 11:37 pm

147 Murphy
Got it… women.

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:40 pm

were there certain black people who weren’t worthy of civil rights? was any black person excluded from the civil rights movement? the indifferent, the “Uncle Toms”?

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:41 pm

dwp #150, oh thank gawd.

phewf.

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DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 11:41 pm

Catsden
I’ll go away now; it has been good to know you…BUT every day I go away saddened by what I read and I will not do that to myself any more.
—————–
What the heck do you mean: “it has been good to know you”??? Where the heck do you think you’re going?
Not all of spew the “islam sucks” mantra. I spew the “all patriarchal religions suck” mantra instead. I don’t find the “islam sucks” mantar productive.
But, that aside, where the heck do you think you’re going?
Don’t make me come over there.

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DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 11:42 pm

murphy 06.05.09 at 11:41 pm
dwp #150, oh thank gawd.
phewf.
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LOL.

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:43 pm

HP #107, “I was there,I saw that, that happened to me…we experience the same things. What shapes us and makes us seem different is time and place and the powers that wish us labeled, boxed up as a new toy for ??? you name it!”

amen sister!

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:43 pm

if you go dances, I’m comin with ya.

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:47 pm

billie jo #130, I love you.

:lol:

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DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 11:48 pm

murphy
if you go dances, I’m comin with ya.
———————-
Good… you’ll need back-up ;)

We’ll get all the CA Pumas to surround her house, while you go in and talk some sense into catsden.

Catsden, I have a talking gps now… you can run, but you cannnot hide!

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murphy 06.05.09 at 11:50 pm

d, have you named your GPS yet?

Mine is Sonia. I believe PB and MK’s is Boris or some such.

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DancesWithPumas 06.05.09 at 11:56 pm

I don’t usually name tech toys or vehicles…
Since I got it for camping (mostly)… van gogh?

CarminGarmin?
Grody Roadie?

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BillieJo 06.06.09 at 12:04 am

Love you too Murph.

Did you read my email? Cryptic is good. :wink:

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MKfromLA 06.06.09 at 12:07 am

My crackberry/GPS is named Velma.
PB’s is named Urk.

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MKfromLA 06.06.09 at 12:08 am

(Boris is the cat. Pronounced bor-ass)

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DancesWithPumas 06.06.09 at 12:10 am

Eureka?

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murphy 06.06.09 at 12:11 am

yes Billie, sorry!

You know when you posted that comment i thought to myself, hmmmm….

all set.

did you all see miq2xu’s defense of Puma PAC (and me?)

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/be-afraid-be-very-afraid/

I have to say I agree with him and am grateful for what he wrote.

the dehumanization of political opponents is an invitation to hurt them, and it’s really not good.

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DancesWithPumas 06.06.09 at 12:11 am

Odysseus?

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murphy 06.06.09 at 12:12 am

VAN GO!!!

absofrickinglutely.

genius!

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DancesWithPumas 06.06.09 at 12:18 am

VanGogh it is then! But, I have to use my spelling…
Vincent makes me happy, in a depressive sort of way.

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murphy 06.06.09 at 12:23 am

go ahead and use your spelling you Krazy Kat. it’s not going to be written down anywhere!

I love that –
:lol:

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BillieJo 06.06.09 at 12:24 am

murph- you have mail again.

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Casper Cat 06.06.09 at 12:25 am

DWP…. For YOU!!!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWlE_ksyDyE Don’t let it be depressive but, rather inspirational…. :wink: Oh, will be seeing Julio on the 11th here in Riverside… Hope he will be better that 5 years ago in Las Vegas… :wink:

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boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:27 am

yea murphy dont worry we have got you back . its pissed me off when o-bots trash you puma pac and other puma leaders like that.

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Casper Cat 06.06.09 at 12:28 am

OOPS!!! #171 ‘better than’ sorry… :shock: :roll: :wink:

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boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:28 am

i think im gona start targeting them let them see how it feels ..

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DancesWithPumas 06.06.09 at 12:34 am

Casp
DWP…. For YOU!!!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWlE_ksyDyE Don’t let it be depressive but, rather inspirational….
————
Beautiful! Brilliant Vincent!
Thanks.

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FLBarbara 06.06.09 at 12:35 am

Hi Pumas

Catching up on comments…brilliant as always.

Murphy,

I spoke to Maya today and she is with her aunt in NJ she will stay with her.I am glad she has someone to keep her safe. I read her all your offers of help and love and she sends her thanks maybe she will be a Puma.
.I also thank you it was a heartbreaking place to be.Maya is safe tonight because she is here in the US with people who love her.
Sad, how many women tonight are not safe.

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DancesWithPumas 06.06.09 at 12:35 am

boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:28 am
i think im gona start targeting them let them see how it feels ..
———-
Why stoop to their level? Ignore them. They’re like gnats.

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wontbackdown 06.06.09 at 12:35 am

boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:28 am :

I really, really want to apologize for jumping on you the other day over the affirmative action issue.

I was shut down and defending a position and wasn’t respecting your position.

I very much regret it, boogie.

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FLBarbara 06.06.09 at 12:39 am

Deadgirl

Are you Ok?

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Juliette 06.06.09 at 12:39 am

Casper Cat
Thanks for the beautifully relaxing music.

I love Vincent the artist and the song.

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BillieJo 06.06.09 at 12:42 am

Jeeze Murph #165, they should take down your beautiful photo.

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boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:43 am

DancesWithPumas i would,nt down to their level? . likie posting that pick of that goat .thats not my style

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DancesWithPumas 06.06.09 at 12:43 am

HealthyGirl
what’s up with you? Do you need assistance? Is someone there to help you?
Willing to ‘pay it forward”. Let me know.

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Juliette 06.06.09 at 12:43 am

FLBarbara

Please tell Maya she is in my prayers. May Saint Christopher watch over her and keep her from harm. And may Saint FLBarbara know just how wonderful she is.

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wontbackdown 06.06.09 at 12:45 am

Murphy & Pumas:

This thread ranks up there with “The Personal is not the Political” (I think that was the title)

I have read it several times today, and each time it sinks in a little deeper and all of the comments only enhance its meaning(s)…

…it is a paradigm shifting learning experience – imho.

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boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:46 am

but blog stalking & taking down puma blogs has got to stop

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DancesWithPumas 06.06.09 at 12:46 am

boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:43 am
DancesWithPumas i would,nt down to their level? . likie posting that pick of that goat .thats not my style
———-
It’s all beyond the pale. Wonder why Kevin doesn’t want anyone talking about myiq’s post? Is he afraid he’ll be blamed and responsible for inciting violence if any Puma gets violated? Not talking about myiq calling him out, doesn’t absolve him, or any of the other shmucks, of his past and present.

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DancesWithPumas 06.06.09 at 12:49 am

boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:46 am
but blog stalking & taking down puma blogs has got to stop
—————
The poor bastards don’t have anything better to talk about. They’re the same creeps from junior high who made comments about the “short yellow bus”, and called people retards, etc. They’re losers trying to compensate for their shortcomings. They insult themselves with almost every comment they make. It’s as if they are doing our work for us.

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invalidresponse 06.06.09 at 12:53 am

Hiya Pumas!!…. and goodnight Pumas!!….
Catch y’all tomorrow

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boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:53 am

that last blog looks like it got it The Personal that was 2 over the top

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boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:55 am

Dances thats a good point you got there

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boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 12:58 am

its past those pricks bedtime now anyway ..

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boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 1:01 am

ill deal with them later

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FLBarbara 06.06.09 at 1:05 am

These stalkers are the same idiots that put Obama in office

Not a lot of thought went into I think I will vote for.” Hope for a Change”
Bwahaaaaa talk about stupid. I wasn’t hoping I knew what Hillary was capable off..

Need I say more?

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FLBarbara 06.06.09 at 1:10 am

Off is of

Juliette
Thanks for prayers for Maya. I am not saint trust me on that. I am always in deep shit LOL

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wontbackdown 06.06.09 at 1:19 am

DancesWithPumas 06.06.09 at 12:49 am:

I don’t know if the same applies to obama cyber-stalkers – they are truly a zombie breed all their own that do not seem to possess an ounce of sanity when it comes to Obama.

Nevertheless, the experts say that when it comes to “stakers” it is all about this really, really sick deep-seeded need for “power and control”.

Obama’s cyber-stalkers seem to possess the same characteristics as Obama… they are doing to us what Obama is doing to them… but they are too steeped in the pathology-identification of him to see that.

Anyway, the “experts” say to ignore stalkers as if they do not exist – because they exist to get that “recognition” of being in “control” despite their failure to recognize the means by which they exercise their “power” – by terroristic means.

They are emotionally underdeveloped cowards in wolves clothing – they identify with Obama because he gives them a sense of a “power” that they lack within themselves.

Obama psychologically uses them unmercifully for his own personal quests and they have no clue that they mean nothing but that to him. They are no longer human beings, but tools.

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boogieman7167 06.06.09 at 1:19 am

if these o-picks keep this up ..they going to they are starting to piss pumas off pumas they dont want to deal with

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FLBarbara 06.06.09 at 2:42 am

Just my thoughts

What is a feminist?

She is the one whose choice was to be a mom, She is the one whose choice was a career, She is the one whose choice was both.

She is the one who can discuss the latest in politics and the latest in fashion, global warming and bottle warming, the stock market and sales in the local grocery market, the GNP, the ERA of the Constitution and the ERA of the Mets. She knows who won American Idol, she knows who won the Presidency. She knows who didn’t win either.

She reads the Wall Street Journal, the Ladies Home Journal, Goodnight Moon and she has even landed on the moon.

She marrys the person of her dreams and She respects a womans right to marry her dream. Whether it be Jack next door or Jill next door or maybe her dream is found with herself. Her dream is in her chosing not in what is chosen for her.

She can rock the cradle and she can rock the world.

She loves with her heart and believes with her soul.

She is the one who is self assured in a business suit in a little black dress or in jeans and a sweat shirt.

She is capable of getting to the finish line in work boots or high heels.

She toasts life with a bottle of beer or a glass of champagne or maybe even with a Shirley Temple.

She is confident holding a baby or holding a board meeting. She is passionate about holding a hand and holding public office.

She is strong enough to carry the weight of the world on her shoulders and Fragile enough to feel the weight of the world on her shoulders.

Her friends are anyone and anything that lifts women up.
Her foes are anyone and anything that pushes women down.

She has compassion for herself, she has compassion for the woman down the block covered in bruises, she has compassion for the woman a thousand miles away covered in veils.

I, You, We… WOMEN are all in this together because that which effects one woman effects all women.

Sweet Dreams

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Puma-SF 06.06.09 at 3:06 am

Sleep tight, FLBarbara. You have awesome thoughts.

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wontbackdown 06.06.09 at 3:17 am

FLBarbara 06.06.09 at 2:42 am:

Just my thoughts… What is a feminist?
—–

I love those “thoughts” and will gratefully take them into my slumber.

Goodnight.

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MKfromLA 06.06.09 at 4:00 am

unbelievable

Diners Club Offers Payment Plan for Vietnamese Brides

Vietnam Brides International has teamed up with Diners Club to offer a payment plan for the women they sell, the first such partnership that I know of. It’s basically a layaway plan for human beings, except you get the “product” before you even make the first payment. And when I thought it was not possible for these two companies to objectify and dehumanize these women any more, I read what the Assistant General Manager of Diners Club Singapore had to say about situations where the buyer defaults on his bride payments,

‘We won’t take back the bride if the customer defaults on payments. It’s not like a hire purchase where we take back the product if the customer doesn’t pay up by the due date…If the customers still don’t repay, we’ll have other ways to recover the debt.’

read more here … http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog/view/diners_club_offers_payment_plan_for_vietnamese_brides

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DeadGirl 06.06.09 at 4:18 am

Hi folks, I finally got some sleep not long after I posted… just cannot sleep in hospital, its noisy, my roommie snored like an advanced solid rocket motor taking off intermittently but she is just about the sweetest person, and with unbearable medical issues, my IV machine kept alarming for no reason all night long… just had to get some surgery to fix somesome ~ so all the ogrish.com/rotten.com L-users paid by Axelrove/posing as PUMA stalkers can hallucinate their own scenario of the DG medical situation (ps SA’s I had a partial frontal lobectomy so that I can better stoop to your level)

But I am great now, really well in fact! Being back home(abode and PUMASPHERE) is amazingly healing, but I have to say that the people who took care of me were wonderful. Wow, what a place that was, a small city, humming along taking care of people. I watched Ellen, and Tyra and Martha today, I cannot say when I’ve been able to do that much if at all, Ellen almost killed me cracking me up. I also used this laid-upness as an excuse to buy all the glossy celeb gossip and fashion mags… wow… I always wondered what was in there after seeing the splashy covers in the check-out line. There is this whole “other” media I was too good for, and now I confess I had a secret longing for. I hope this does not turn out to be a habit!!! Bad DG Bad DG reading celeb-gossip/fashion instead of library books! (not allowed to lift more than 10 lbs!!!) ;)

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DeadGirl 06.06.09 at 4:24 am

Whoa Whoa Whoa MK, Un-fucking believable. Am I imagine that this world is deteriorating noticably on a daily basis… this is not even incremental in the least, like, for instance, the San Andreas fault sliding everything on the western side of it into the Aleutian Trench by 3″ a year. If the San Andreas fault speeded up as fast as this human events deterioration is advancing, Sarah Palin would be able to see California from her front yard in a year!!!

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henry 06.06.09 at 4:55 am

Way off topic and very banal but does anyone else think that Megyn Kelly and Bill Hemmer would create the most beautiful children together. Bone structure cheeks eyes nose. They are such a complementary team. Both very attractive without being too much and both have a brain.

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DeadGirl 06.06.09 at 5:02 am

hmm, Henry liking the Megyn Kelly eh? I like her too, because she is feisty and don’t take no shit off no Obamanite blowhards.

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henry 06.06.09 at 5:07 am

deadgirl
I saw an interview way back when when one of the guests was belittling Palin for having been a beauty contestant. The sad sap had not a clue that Kelly was an attorney and had been in beauty pageants. It was most triumphant. And yes I have the hots for her cause I’m gay not dead but Hemmer yummmy. Do me a favor though and look at their faces they could almost be siblings. Most likely why they were paired together to begin with. I think its the shape of the eyes.

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henry 06.06.09 at 5:21 am

deadgirl
sad think about hemmer though is that he is shorter than I am. I’m only5’10.5(usually say five eleven) and I had at least an inch on him. Funny he looks so tall sitting down. But he was nothing compared to streisand who I thought was about 6’8 she is sooooooooo tiny 5’4 tops, Worked on one of her farewell tours at the garden and when I saw her I thought it was some sort of security double but know we were laying carpet and she came out and it was her. Itty bitty thing.

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Notyoursweetie 06.06.09 at 7:35 am

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TexasTigress 06.06.09 at 7:53 am

Those Canadians have a great sense of humor :)

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11721

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TexasTigress 06.06.09 at 7:55 am

Canadian Free Press article in it’s entirity – cause it’s funny ..

Satire by Author Unknown

The Postal Services created a stamp with a picture of President Obama. The Stamp was not sticking to envelopes. This enraged the President, who demanded a full investigation. After a month of testing and $1.73 million In congressional spending, a special Presidential commission presented the Following findings:

The stamp is in perfect order. There is nothing wrong with the adhesive. People are spitting on the wrong side.

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DeadGirl 06.06.09 at 8:54 am

lolol TT!!!

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BigCatLover 06.06.09 at 10:22 am

Just happened to catch the speeches at the D-Day ceremony in France. All the other heads of state gave very moving speeches including the Canadian prime minister. Then Obama gave his speech. It was like he was phoning it in, both in tone and substance with tons of cliches. Way too long. I’ll be curious to see how it is received by the world’s press.

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BigCatLover 06.06.09 at 10:37 am

Here is a very short recap of Obama’s speech by the AP:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama

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HP Boston 06.06.09 at 10:49 am

TexasTigress 06.06.09 at 7:55 am

Canadian Free Press article in it’s entirity – cause it’s funny ..

Satire by Author Unknown

The Postal Services created a stamp with a picture of President Obama. The Stamp was not sticking to envelopes. This enraged the President, who demanded a full investigation. After a month of testing and $1.73 million In congressional spending, a special Presidential commission presented the Following findings:

The stamp is in perfect order. There is nothing wrong with the adhesive. People are spitting on the wrong side.

=================================================
:lol: :lol: LOVE THE PICTURE IN THE LINK!! :lol: :lol:

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HP Boston 06.06.09 at 10:50 am

Thanks TT I needed a good laugh at the O’Frauds expense not ours..

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HP Boston 06.06.09 at 10:53 am

I had a dream last night that O’Fraud turned to his teleprompters and they all said STFU!!! And it was really a DREAM because he DID!

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scarlet 06.06.09 at 11:13 am

Barack Obama’s Facebook Feed

http://www.slate.com/id/2219266?GT1=38001

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mick 06.06.09 at 11:50 am

Scarlet #217

Bahahaha
VERY funny!!

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2PumaSisters 06.06.09 at 11:50 am

Hello Murphy & Pumas,

I want to give you a warm good morning, before the
morning is finished.

Here I am reading and enjoying every word. Thank
you, Murphy.

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murphy 06.06.09 at 11:54 am

good morning to you, 2PumaSisters!

Saturday Open Thread posted,

take it upstairs!

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Susie1945 06.06.09 at 11:54 am

Good morning PUMAs – Just watched the D-Day events – was not impressed by any of the speakers – Sarkosy didn’t know when to stop – today’s events do not compare with WWII – Harper kept switching from English to French & completely lost me – they had translators – he shouldve just picked one language and used that – Gordon Brown was a flop – all the while he was speaking I kept thinking QE2 wouldve been so much better (all boys club ya know – typical – but Prince Charles just sat there – he didn’t get to speak) – & then Opleaseitsallaboutme got up & I noticed big difference – at least the others gave a speech and kind of made it theirs – our blowhard puts his nose in the air and chin up (arrogant, narcissistic bastard) and proceeds to kinda compare it to now and of course, bring himself into it again & also managed to drag in grandpa & greatuncle so that he could really be part of this d-day event – course TOTUS was there – may have to stop over & see what TOTUS says about Opraiseme’s big day
I absolutely loathe that fraudulent bastard piece of shit & btw ISLAM sucks & does BHO
Thank you Murphy – I read the blog at riverdaughter by myiq…. and I appreciate your taking the flack literally for all of us – but we’ve got your back (and I think there are more us than them – plus we’re smarter, prettier, cleaner, etc., etc. than they are)

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