Turning Worms

Hmmm… money. No mention of voter registration illegalities. I dunno…

I hear ya, Dances but the core belief and principal of this group is/was good. Listen to what she says as to why she joined.

Did you read about some of the cuts the governator is going to make? Now animal shelters can euthanize strays in 3 days instead of six. Also, they will no longer have to provide absentte ballots to all voters and local authorities would no longer have to collect DNA evidence from unidentified human remains. WTF?

Puma-SF 05.30.09 at 1:40 pm
I hear ya, Dances but the core belief and principal of this group is/was good. Listen to what she says as to why she joined.
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Ahhh…The missing link: video. It didn’t show up on my monitor until a littlwe bit ago. Thanks.

Great post

First on Sotomayor
Obama trying to walk back phrase extracted from Sotomayor’s talk

This is the most I’ve seen BO stick his neck out for a nominee since Geithner. They must really want Sotomayor. What do they know that I dont (hope our interests align this time). Or how soon does he throw her under the bus? Is this appointment a red herring or a sincere appointment in fact?

On second topic, I think affirmative action should be subject to research and objective metrices to provide a measure for the disadvantage (which was and is real) and whether progress is being made, and when that progress has rendered the action successful and no longer needed. Obviously, perpetual continuity of this policy was never the intention and so a transparent measure of when to end it should not be outside of the realm of intelligent academic or social measures. You dont put people for nearly four centuries to unrequitted labor that ended barely a century ago, remove from them all generational connections, banish them from most opportunities and education, destroy cultural structures and separate families, then subject them to daily social humiliation and separation and expect the effects to all go away over a couple of generations of corrective and just policies. Just an example in education is the correlation between children who graduate from college and the educational levels of their parents. I for one still believe today it is still necessary, as is Title IX, and equal pay initiatives (not yet law), but wouldnt it be good to point to a metric?

Hopefully, the country will have a debate on this issue and put some transparent benchmarks in place (now we have a minority president and examine a case of affirmative action that apparently harms a disabled member of our majority).

murphy
that yahoo link is not mine.

what?
Pumapac should help Acorn members??

Members of the org that helped Obama get elected, ran harassment campaigns against banks, etc?
This is the same group that is getting millions of taxpayer dollars and will be helping politicize the US Census.

persephone
It’s been corrected.

another vid on Acorn activities here:

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/30/what-an-acorn-spokesman-lied-and-justice-not-served/

the part of the vid with the rep from Judicial Watch is worth checking out.

Useful notes on propaganda techniques at:

http://lightpond.wordpress.com/

Karen, I’m not quite understanding, but are you saying your emails from that group go into spam? If that email address is in your contacts or address book, it should not be going into spam. If this is not the case, the only thing I can suggest is to contact your email provider and have them manually override the address for your account.

That’s exactly it antifish. The emails from the group name IS in my contact list in my email, and it’s still going into spam. I’ve tried putting it in the “approved” section of every anti-spam program every way I can think of, and it still puts all the posts from the group (which average between 80-120 a day) in the spam folder. I finally gave up on anti-spam programs, but am now getting so very frustrated constantly cleaning out the viagra ads, etc our of my email in-box that I’d had it. Any suggestions are welcome…. If looking at the website helps, the one attached to my name here is the one I designed http://www.fuchsdystrophy.org

Official: Pakistan troops seize Swat Valley town
Soldiers reportedly encounter Taliban ‘pockets of resistance’ in Mingora
ISLAMABAD – The Taliban have fled the Pakistani army’s advance on the main town in the Swat Valley, delivering the military a strategic prize in its offensive against militants in the country’s northwest, commanders said Saturday.

Army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said an unknown number of militant fighters were able to escape Mingora town despite the military having it surrounded, raising the prospect that they could return to the fight elsewhere.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31013293

I’m spreading a little “we told you so” cheer today. Looks like Ted Rall is waking up from his Kool-aid induced bender:

“Ted Rall: It’s Increasingly Evident that Obama Should Resign”

“MIAMI — We expected broken promises. But the gap between the soaring expectations that accompanied Barack Obama’s inauguration and his wretched performance is the broadest such chasm in recent historical memory.

[snip]

“From health care to torture to the economy to war, Obama has reneged on pledges real and implied. So timid and so owned is he that he trembles in fear of offending, of all things, the government of Turkey. Obama has officially reneged on his campaign promise to acknowledge the Armenian genocide. When a president doesn’t have the nerve to annoy the Turks, why does he bother to show up for work in the morning?

“Obama is useless. Worse than that, he’s dangerous. Which is why, if he has any patriotism left after the thousands of meetings he has sat through with corporate contributors, blood-sucking lobbyists and corrupt politicians, he ought to step down now — before he drags us further into the abyss.

[snip]

“Obama is cute. He is charming. But there is something rotten inside him. Unlike the Republicans who backed George W. Bush, I won’t follow a terrible leader just because I voted for him. Obama has revealed himself. He is a monster, and he should remove himself from power.”

http://www.sj-r.com/opinions/x124603932/Ted-Rall-It-s-increasingly-evident-that-Obama-should-resign

Ahhh, that feels so good to read. Facts are tricky things, and when they hit you in the face, they can hurt. Welcome back to reality, Ted!

Alex
http://www.hillarysvillage.net

Thanks antifish. I couldn’t get to my computer for a bit… somebody here from S Carolina and was using my computer to check her emails, LOL.
On OTHER news, I’m depressed… Susan Boyle lost.

Hi everybody, sorry I have not been on the board in quite awhile. Have some health problems. I can’t sit at the computer long, but did want to tell you I was still alive.

This is not about the topic of the thread: My son went back to Iraq 4 months ago (2nd tour). He got through to us that he was ill, and they were sending him to Germany. Next day he called, and said he would be in the states (D.C.) yesterday.

They have him at Walter Reed and are running tests. First they said it was dehydration. How many tests do you need to determine that?

Sorry, but I don’t trust any of them anymore. Keep a good thought for Tommy, please.

I plan to be back more often, and I will try to remain on topic.

TT I posted it simply because of the request to merge with ACORN-8. When I saw the title of the this thread, and read it, I remembered what mountainsong told me… it jogged my memory (which isn’t so great the older I get- I mean, my memory). I have no idea what requirements a PAC has, or anything about ACORN-8, but I have my own doubts about anything with the name ACORN.

Deadgirl,
Thanks for your post last night about commomdreams. I’ve been a fan of commondreams.org for a long time, I’m sure there were many people on that site voted for Obama but they were not as rabid as sites like huffingtonpost, for sure. That’s exactly why they’re one of the only liberal blogs out there with so many different authors posted on their site – including those already very vocal in their criticism of Obama – far more objective than most, and definitely worth bookmarking, imho…

Ralph Nadar’s letter to Obama

“… The GM/task force bankruptcy plans appear geared to saving the General Motors entity — but at a harsh and often avoidable cost to workers, communities, suppliers, consumers, dealers, and the nation’s auto manufacturing capacity which will move faster, post bankruptcy, to China.

At this late stage we again urge President Obama to reconsider the bankruptcy filing plans, and to enable deliberative and meaningful Congressional review — as many Members of Congress are seeking — of the restructuring plans before irreversible steps are taken.

After all, Congress is more than a potted plant. The “first branch” legislated, after public hearings, the 1979 Chrysler bailout and the complex Conrail restructuring a few years later.”

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/30-0

Everyone Should See ‘Torturing Democracy’
by Bill Moyers and Michael Winship

“…Torturing Democracy was written and produced by one of America’s outstanding documentary reporters, Sherry Jones. (Excerpts from the film are being shown on the current edition of “Bill Moyers Journal” on PBS — check local listings, or go to the program’s website at PBS.org/Moyers, where you can be linked to the entire, 90-minute documentary.)”
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/30

re-posting this one, in case you missed it:
An Early Call for Obama’s Resignation
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/28-3

p.s. As far as politics is concerned, the articles & the comments posted on commondreams are often fun, fascinating, PUMA-esque reading.

Damn Murphy, that was close! Do you think they’ll find out I’m the manager of Obama for America?

ok, but you will laugh at this, h/t the confluence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA&feature=player_embedded

i dont see how any PUMA could supports affirmative action. rember what happend to hillary & us on 5-08-31 at the RBC meeting to me that was the ultimate affirmative action. action

Gotta disagree with you on that one Boogie. What happened at the RBC meeting was cheating. Affirmative Action is more like a head start to even out the race. Women have benefited as much as blacks by it, so I don’t see why PUMAs wouldn’t support it. As we can see from the way women in politics are treated, the playing field is hardly as level as the propagandists would like for us to believe. For anybody.

Cinie it was both . as faraffirmative action & when you give somebody that head start just because of there race or gender side penalized someone else for those same reasons

FLBarbara, I’m having a hard time deciding where Obama should have been born, that’s why we haven’t released the birth certificate yet. We never thought anyone would catch on that the one we put on the website was a forgery. We’ll soon come out with it, and Obama will pretend he never saw the one on his website. We’ll then prosecute the forger who is an old school pal of Obama’s from Punahou. We’re thinking maybe he should have been born in Selma. That would be a nice touch, don’t you think?

PS, You do know he was created in a lab, right?

OK – caught up on the post today. We are having over 30 people tomorrow for brunch so we don’t forget what happened one year ago. I am so damn pissed about that – still. Bitch about it every chance I get. Couple friends are about to arrive from SAC to hang out with us and join the festivities tomorrow.

I hope Donna Brazillnut wakes up tomorrow with super bad case of diarrhea.

Back to the kitchen I go. Greenfun, Billie Jo, Puma SF etc – see you tomorrow !!

Boogieman

Bush was the cheating white man affirmative action candidate. Cheated his way in with no experience in 2000 and appointed by SC in 2004.

H.P.Boston and FL Barbara, Thank you so much. It is appreciated.

Antifish, thank you, and I will be sure to tell Tommy when we talk to him again.

Cinie, I don’t believe Affirmative Action has helped women. We had the best possible candidate for President. Why did she lose? Because women are still at the bottom of the food chain (so to speak). I canceled many memberships in women’s organizations because they did not support Hillary. I am so sick and tired of this.

I believe AA’s time has passed. What we need is a new, stronger Women’s Movement. We know NOW is not what it said it was.

simofish 05.30.09 at 7:47 pm

For your hope card……
I hope Bill and Hillary tell O’bs to stuff it they are going to England to serve the Queen! He is NOT invited.

Sorry , had to step out – was being treated for my wounds from being dragged off the tarmac.

Cinie those white male power elites are the ones that came of with the idea of Affirmative Action its not hurting them . the one that are getting the shaft beacuse of it are the average Joe’s guys like me .. those white male power elites they are set for life…

TexasTigress 05.30.09 at 8:10 pm

Sorry , had to step out – was being treated for my wounds from being dragged off the tarmac.

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Well damn did they not know it was the high fever! Bastards!

I do still love the boy from Hope!! Oh yeah….

Just back from David’s Memorial. Lovely.
About to get ready to spread his ashes in the Pacific at sunset… his family spread half of his ashes in the Atlantic two weeks ago.

DancesWithPumas 05.30.09 at 8:23 pm ….How beautiful, both oceans! —————–

Have to say I had a lovely service last summer, my brother Tom wanted his ashes to be in New England not in Florida. He asked to be taken home. He is in my backyard under the Lilacs and I am glad he is “Home”.

HP
Wonderful.

Anti

Yes oh Yes I do need a job
And propaganda Czar is a good job for me.
Rather Propaganda Goddess though.

I have no references all of my papers are missing even my BC is held in a vault in Hawaii. Why there? I do not know?
I was told to mail it there by Axelrod
I attend church at Trinity in Chicago but I do not pay attention. I just sit there and doze off. I go with one of the guys, Bill, from my neighborhood
He is cool also needs a job he has experience with explosives if you have the need.
But I am qualified as i know propaganda when I see it.LOL

God, I sound like a 3 year old idiot.

Don’t we all???

OT, but I realized after a week of 14 hour shifts that the anniversary of a day that will live in infamy is upon us, the day the Democratic Primaries and democracy itself was overturned by the DNC. A gross, perversion of affirmative action did win out over fair reflection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5QHGxmoBE

Thomas4Clinton 05.30.09 at 8:55 pm

OT, but I realized after a week of 14 hour shifts that the anniversary of a day that will live in infamy is upon us, the day the Democratic Primaries and democracy itself was overturned by the DNC. A gross, perversion of affirmative action did win out over fair reflection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5QHGxmoBE

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You had me at gross……tears.

(((((((dances)))))))))

Perhaps people who think that the benefits of Affirmative Action are no longer needed have never taken the time to understand the systemic and generational affects of racism?

Systemic racism not only systematically insures unequal outcomes, it rationalizes them.

Until a white feels the impact of discrimination because of his or her age, gender, or even religion, there is little understanding of the impact upon someone confronting discrimination on the basis of his or her race. It is safe to say one can hardly imagine the impact upon someone who has had to face discrimination virtually every day of his or her life for generation after generation.

Race is comprised of far more than nationality or ethnicity. Customs, habits, skills, technology, arts, values, ideology, science, religious/spiritual and political ideals all help to define one’s culture, i.e., values and lifestyle. In short, ethnicity and culture are both integral parts of a human being’s very existence.

How long was not only the ethnicity but AA culture oppressed in America?

Do I understand it all? No. But, I wrote a book on my own racist history and cultural experience of my own white race.

No promo here – it’s not for sale.

May 29, 2009
Gold prices jump as US dollar tumbles
Sara Lepro

Gold prices jumped Friday as the dollar sank to its lowest level in months against the euro and the British pound.

Demand for gold tends to rise when the dollar is weak as investors seek protection against inflation, which can be triggered by a falling greenback.

The dollar has weakened considerably since March as investors move out of cash holdings and into riskier assets like stocks on hopes for an economic recovery. Investors are also worried that the massive amounts of money the government has been pumping into the system could lead to inflation.

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/news/ap/finance_business/2009/May/29/gold_prices_jump_as_us_dollar_tumbles.html

Thanks for the link Thomas4Clinton to the Harold Ickes video – had me in tears too HPBoston..

I shall wear black tomorrow – Hillary’s T-shirt, the one that says:

“For everyone who’s ever
been counted out
but refused to be knocked
out and for everyone who
works hard and never
gives up, this one

(silhouette of Hillary in pantsuit)

is for you!”

Hillstheone, I was very disappointed that the leadership of CommonDreams.org bellyflopped right into the vat of koolaid with gleeful abandon… ugh… I deleted the emails I would get from them… I wish I had saved them… lots of blablabla to the effect that now we have a truly “progressive” president. :0****** pretty much, I lost my cookies over that one, only because it was coming from Common Dreams. Now they have their, uh, “progressive”, president, I wonder how that is working out for them. I think they must be very disappointed about right now.

and Susan Boyle finished 2nd behind some crappy dance troop. Where is the justice in that?

“a day that will live in infamy” 05 31 2008.

RIP Democracy.

troupe not troop. lol. it’s not a word I have to type very often.

thanks RememberNovember

I am British, with a strong affection for the USA, and especially my PUMA friends.

boogieman7167

My point is that the issue of “racism” is far more complicated than “ethnicity.”

Oppression is the result of the use of a dominant position as a right of privilege over a marginalized individual or group.

That FACT, alone, makes my point – when put into perspective on any “group”.

ARP
When is the next General Election likely to occur and who has the public’s attention right now?

Boogieman,
Affirmative action has been a huge game changer for women. I don’t know how old you are but I don’t think you remember the way things were in the 70′s, 80′s and 90′s.

Before title IX there were NO sports programs for women.
There were virtually no women in anything but secretarial positions. There were few if any women in the military, police and fire department. The battle for those jobs took decades. Many women were physically harassed and driven out by shunning and petty attacks. Plenty of women were sexually harassed and sexually attacked by their brother officers.

I remember when the executive (men’s) lunchroom was off limits to women(secretaries). Women were routinely denied access to medical, legal, and top professorial careers. There were very few women school principals.
There were almost no female politicians.
The whole world was run by white men.
When I got a job it was considered clerical, although I had the same qualifications as everyone else.
In other jobs, when I worked with police, they routinely got into fights so women would get beat up or they refused to answer calls for help in the field.

Harassment was everywhere and soul destroying.

If you ask Hillary, she’ll tell you what things used to be like and firmly disagree that the women’s movement and affirmative action for women has done nothing.

I just dropped by to shout …

“ISLAM SUCKS!!!!!”

there! now I feel better. have a good night everyone.

Boogieman,
I think affirmative action, as you call it has been pretty much dead for a while. It’s called diversity now. I would say diversity has helped asians and hispanics as much as african-americans. All groups have benefited from the struggle for civil rights.

And don’t forget that for African-Americans and others too to some extent discrimination was not just a personal bias. It was government sponsored and supported bias which affected people in every aspect of their lives, from the cradle to the grave, from what hospital you were born in and what cemetery you were buried in and everything in between, no matter how insignificant.

I thought Susan Boyle was the winner – for many reasons.

I am sure the Queen will be overwhelming entertained with dancers bouncing off of cars and doing back flips over her crown.

It’s a new generation with an interesting way of expressing itself that gives disconcerting clues as to what lies ahead for its future.

wontbackdown you dont seem to get it the those privilege people they dont give a crap . the ones that are getting the shaft are ussaly blue collar workers who never had any help from any privilege class & where never part of one. & dont want to have to do anything with them

Hi Sunshinelvr – perhaps I should change my name to RememberMay!

ARP – Thanks for the update. There was a very eloquent MP commenting about Gordon Brown spending so much money,seemingly along the lines of the US – his name escapes me right now. Will check it out and ask you about him next time I see you here. Really have to go now and have dinner. Have a good morning!!

‘Night Pumas.

boogieman,
One battle for equality for women and minorities was within the blue collar field. Unions were highly discriminatory and often the high paying union jobs were passed from father to son.
Women and minorities couldn’t get into the skilled trades. Construction jobs were difficult for women because they were harassed, not trained or given extra hazardous assignments to drive them out.
In big cities the political machines used jobs as motivation.
There was friction between unions and AA strike breakers because AA’s couldn’t get union jobs and so didn’t support the strikers. There was a lot of resentment over these social facts that ended in racial resentment.
I don’t think you can prove every case by personal examples, though they are valid. You have to look at trends and statistics.

It took decades to break barriers because all top positions, even middling positions were held by white men. Women and minorities were hired at the entry level and stayed there. They were the first to be let go and then the cycle would start again. No one moved up the ladder to be in a position to be in charge of white men. Applicants had to face a panel of hostiles that always gave low scores on oral interviews, or scores just high enough to be on a list and never hired.

pumabear for all the wrongs that may have been done in the past .
what you dont seem to get is that Affirmative action dose those same things to others & then says its ok .2 wrongs dont make a right Affirmative action was invented by a bunch of rich elitist full of white guilt & Affirmative action gives them this warm fuzzy feeling inside . they dont care about me or you