Yes, Skipper. They Poison, Beat, Torture, Rape, and Kill Girls Because They Hate You.

by murphy on May 12, 2009

in 2nd profound question of the day, Action, America 2.0, Change?, Gender Apartheid, Islam Sucks, PROWL, The Habit of Freedom, Woman-Lynching, profound question of the day

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Louise Down at Free-US-Now has THIS story about girls in Afghanistan being poisoned for going to school.

Yesterday my second grader was excited to tell me about the book Three Cups of Tea. Her librarian described the story of the book and its author who “built a school for children at the top of a mountain.” I told her I had heard of the story but that I thought he had built a school for girls, specifically, because the boys already had a school. When I told her that girls in Afghanistan aren’t allowed to go to school, she was confused. A long, frustrating conversation ensued in which she tried to understand what I was talking about.

Why can’t girls go to school?
Why do they hate girls?
Why are men stronger than women?
How come they can make women do stuff they don’t want to?
And again, this morning. Why? Why? Why?

Because they hate girls and women, Skipper. It’s as simple as that.

She knows a lot about the story of slavery in the United States. She likes to pretend that if we were alive during slavery that we would be “conductors on the Underground Railroad.” I tell her that girls and women in Afghanistan are just like the slaves in the United States. In some ways, they are living in a situation that is even worse, even more evil than slavery.

There may be no easy ways to explain to an eight year old girl why girls like her are hated and poisoned and beaten, but there IS an easy way to explain it to grown-ups:

Islam Sucks.

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In other news, obama called yesterday’s meeting with the fat cats directors of major health industry firms “historic” (geez, I think obama thinks it’s a historic event every time he brushes his teeth) and a “watershed” event. Supposedly, these fat cats directors have promised to decrease the rate of increase (ha!) in health care spending by 1.5% a year.

Journalists and industry watchers are less than impressed:

“Henry J. Aaron, a health economist at the Brookings Institution, said that when he heard the industry’s promises on Monday, ‘I had a Rip van Winkle moment, as if I had fallen asleep in 1977 and woke up again this morning.’

Mr. Aaron served in the administration of President Jimmy Carter, whose proposal for hospital cost controls prompted the industry to undertake a short-lived “voluntary effort.”

After President Bill Clinton proposed an overhaul of the health care system in 1993 and 1994, the growth of health spending slowed, only to surge a few years later.

Drew E. Altman, the president of the Kaiser Family Foundation, offered a historical perspective spanning nearly four decades.

‘Neither managed care, nor wage and price controls, nor regulation, nor voluntary action nor market competition has had a lasting impact on our nation’s health care costs,’ Mr. Altman said. “Reformers should not overpromise.’

Industry groups sounded constructive and positive on Monday, but the real test will comein a few weeks when lawmakers unveil detailed legislative proposals. ‘Will they still be supportive?’ Mr. Altman asked. ‘Or will they revert to form and protect their turf?’

Rather than gambling on the answer, some lawmakers want to establish an enforcement mechanism, which would take effect if the industry’s voluntary steps did not slow health spending by a specified amount.

Such cost-control devices have proved spectacularly ineffective in limiting the growth of Medicare spending on doctors’ services.”

Great, just what we need: LESS health care available to those of us lucky enough to still have insurance.

Cinie and others have been following this issue more closely than I have. She’s convinced that this whole effort is a head-fake. obama calls it “health care reform” when really all it is is “medical PAYMENT” reform. She sees the administration’s central attempt to move to fully digital medical records as a back door (wide open front door?) gimme to software companies like Microsoft which have been itching for YEARS to implement a radically new way of delivering medical services.

While I can see many benefits to a national database of records, and know that adapting to new technology, especially when that technology changes the way we think about and experience “privacy,” takes some getting used to , I still think there are legitimate reasons to be worried.

As long as the PROFIT motive is what drives health care reform, I will be profoundly skeptical that any changes will be planned with the best interests of CITIZENS and patients at heart.

It seems to me we will all be asked to give up MORE and get by with LESS again: fewer office visits, less-personal care, automated diagnoses that attempt to MINIMIZE expensive procedures, etc. Now, if I were being asked to give up something for the benefit of PEOPLE then I might consider it. I understand that publicly funded benefits must be distributed equitably.

But give up some quality and/or quantity of care, at the same time that my family pays $1,200 per month for that care, so that private, for-profit companies can MAKE MORE MONEY!?!?!

I don’t think so.

p.s. If you haven’t done the Health Care Reform PROWL yet today, you’re in luck! Just click HERE!

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1 DancesWithPumas 05.12.09 at 9:25 am: ai yai yai
(((((((((Skipper))))))))))
((((Women and Girls)))
(((Supportive Men)))
2 murphy 05.12.09 at 9:26 am: NB: I cannot stay up all night moderating comments. I won’t stay up all night moderating comments.

I’m going back now to delete any insulting or over the line comments.

Any commenter who insists on insulting other Pumas will be banned, retroactively.

Anyone who reads and comments here for more than 24 hours knows that insulting other Pumas is against the rules.

A sharp comment here or there; frustration; having a bad day — these things can happen to all of us — none of us is perfect. BUT repeatedly insulting someone simply because you disagree with them is hogwash.
3 murphy 05.12.09 at 9:34 am: oh and thanks TT for the sarcastic/humorous comment.

You put the whole thing in perspective perfectly.
4 persephone 05.12.09 at 9:36 am: #2 GO MURPHY!

stop the madness, all of it.

And please, while you’re at it, ban the posters who repeatedly bash Pumapac in general and target YOU-it’s unacceptable
5 scarlet 05.12.09 at 9:54 am: LEGISLATION

CLEAN WATER RESTORATION ACT S 787
Or The Great Water Heist?

&
SINGLE PAYER – TWO VIEWS

&
Bill Would Keep Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan Fully Funded

&
Bill to include money for relocating Gitmo inmates

&
Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights Act of 2009 HR 627

&
21st Century Green High-Performing Public School Facilities Act HR 2187

More info at 411 on the 111 pumapac forum:

http://pumapac.org/forums/411-on-the-111/comment-page-4/#comment-326883 posts 151 -156
6 murphy 05.12.09 at 9:58 am: will do persephone. when you talk i listen!

thanks.
7 scarlet 05.12.09 at 10:00 am: Congress Pushes Cap and Trade, But Just 24% Know What It Is

Monday, May 11, 2009

The gap between Capitol Hill and Main Street is huge when it comes to the so-called “cap-and-trade” legislation being considered inCongress. So wide, in fact, that few voters even know what the proposed legislation is all about.

Given a choice of three options, just 24% of voters can correctly identify the cap-and-trade proposal as something that deals with environmental issues. A slightly higher number (29%) believe the proposal has something to do with regulating Wall Street while 17% think the term applies to health care reform. A plurality (30%) have no idea.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/environment/congress_pushes_cap_and_trade_but_just_24_know_what_it_is
8 murphy 05.12.09 at 10:01 am: reposting this awesome comment from MKfromLA from last night:

The Lobbying Power of the Groups at the Presidential Health Care Pow-Wow

Today, President Obama held a public event with a number of leading health industry trade associations that have previously been reticent towards efforts to reform health care.
…
In their first quarter reporting for 2009, these five trade associations have reported nearly $18 million in lobbying expenditures.
…
First quarter lobbying:
PhRMA = $6,910,000
American Medical Association = $4,355,000
American Hospital Association = $4,237,176
America’s Health Insurance Plans = $2,030,000
Advanced Medical Technology Association = $364,638

Read the whole article at http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/05/11/the-lobbying-power-of-the-groups-at-the-presidential-health-care-pow-wow/
9 murphy 05.12.09 at 10:07 am: and again, referencing last night’s thread (in which there is SOO much more good than bad), I am humbled once again by the spirit of leadership, generosity, and dedication of each and every Puma who contributes whatever they can to keep us strong and growing.

Here is a list of Contributions that were made last night:
1. Humor
2. Friendliness
3. Kindness to those who are suffering
4. Insight
5. Financial support
6. Information (links and sources)
7. Creativity and Ideas
8. Time (an ENORMOUS amount of time from some)
9. Talent and Skills
10. Emotional support (every joke gets a laugh, every hurt gets a hug)

george w bush on a ham sandwich, pass the damn tissues DWP!
10 Alice Rodham Puma 05.12.09 at 10:07 am: Yes, good post again Murphy and it is EXACTLY like slavery. Why can’t more people see that? None of this nonsense about culture would ever have been mentioned if it was not about teh wimminz. Please. It is SLAVERY pure and simple.
11 antifish 05.12.09 at 10:08 am: VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE THREE BUMPER STICKER SLOGANS!!

Find them at http://pumapac.org/slogans.html

Voting for our bumper sticker slogan contest begins Tuesday May 12 and runs through Saturday, May 16 at midnight PST.

Please submit all three of your choices in ONE email addressed to actioncenter@pumapac.org, use SUBJECT: Contest Vote and remember to include your blog name in the email. Please refrain from voting for your own slogans even if they are the greatest.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE WONDERFUL PUMAS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE CONTEST!!
12 murphy 05.12.09 at 10:08 am: i think cap and trade means we’ll be paying more for electricity.

jackass.
13 murphy 05.12.09 at 10:10 am: ARP, exactly. AND dont forget that the religion argument is pure and total HOGWASH.

Many books have been written about how racists and slaveowners used THE BIBLE and CHRISTIANITY to justify the enslavement of Africans in the United States.

the religion argument is hogwash.
14 Alice Rodham Puma 05.12.09 at 10:12 am: Murphy #9. Agreed. PUMAs are great and wonderful smart people, with all of those qualities in abundance.
15 persephone 05.12.09 at 10:17 am: #6

#8 WTF!

So-the medical trade associations are going to call the shots?

They will be the deciders on HC reform?

I’m not buying that Pelosi’s aide had the best interests of the people in mind when she asked the public to flood Nasty’s office with calls and faxes for single payer.

They’re playing games.

The Obama administration cannot be trusted with something as big as health care reform. They’ve proved that. Refer back to #8.
16 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 10:18 am: Max Baucus is starting the next Senate hearing in a series on health care reform (being shown on C-Span), but multiple protestors are holding up the beginning with calls for single payor system. They are older, polite, but adamant. Members of the audience are applauding the protestors.
17 scarlet 05.12.09 at 10:18 am: Obama Going After Big Companies That Improperly Dominate Markets

Justice Department Plans New Antitrust Effort

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47942
18 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 10:20 am: Bumper sticker slogan dates have been moved up and now ends on Saturday, May 16th (MY BIRTHDAY)?? Is this official.
19 DancesWithPumas 05.12.09 at 10:22 am: george w bush on a ham sandwich, pass the damn tissues DWP!
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I’m all out.
Paging InvalidResponse, Tissue Valet.
Code Orange! Paging InvalidResponse! Code Orange.
20 DancesWithPumas 05.12.09 at 10:25 am: BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 10:20 am
Bumper sticker slogan dates have been moved up and now ends on Saturday, May 16th (MY BIRTHDAY)?? Is this official.
————–
Are you asking if the contest date is official or is your birth date official?

Contest date is official..VOTING is ON.
Can’t speak for your birth date though.
21 scarlet 05.12.09 at 10:25 am: STIMULUS WATCH: Jobs, but not where needed most

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9847LT80&show_article=1&catnum=3
22 antifish 05.12.09 at 10:25 am: MURPHY!!!

Help! Could you please edit post #11 so it says “contest will begin”, not begins. I don’t want to look like a dumbass all day.

Thanks,
anti
23 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 10:26 am: My last post should have read ‘voting on bumper sticker slogans has been moved up and now begins today??”. Is that official.
24 murphy 05.12.09 at 10:27 am: wtf indeed persephone.

banksters writing financial policy

insurance executives writing health care policy

software mega-billionaires writing public health policy

tax cheats running the treasury

misogynists writing the speeches

homophobes influencing domestic policy

woman-haters writing the women’s rights agenda

Will obama eventually piss enough constituencies off that he fails? Does writing that mean wanda sykes will now pray for me to have kidney failure or that I be waterboarded?

I think part of the Alinsky method is to keep people off-balance and confused — makes it difficult for your opponents to pin you down or effectively target you.

We see how successful obama has been at this already. Is he a Muslim or a Christian? Is he a socialist or an oligarch? Is he a feminist or a misogynist?

DO YOU SEE? This confusion and inability to agree with each other about what’s wrong with obama PLAYS PERFECTLY to his continued power.

We need a simple, direct and inarguable frame for him.

For every person who calls him a muslim, two others shake their heads and say, Nah he’s not a muslim, he’s a user.

For every person who calls him a socialist, two others say Nah, he’s a corporate shill.

he’s a blank slate, which is why he’s so hard to weaken.
25 antifish 05.12.09 at 10:27 am: Yes, BCL, vote on!
26 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 10:28 am: DWP
Yes, was referring to voting contest, so I corrected my wording above. MY BIRTHDAY IS OFFICIALLY ON SATURDAY. LOL. Don’t ask my age.
27 murphy 05.12.09 at 10:28 am: BCL #16 — woo-hoo! Go America!

this will be some fine YouTubing soon enough!

(will do anti )
28 DancesWithPumas 05.12.09 at 10:30 am: HAPPY PRE-BIRTHDAY, BCL!!!!

CATSDEN
BECOME ONE WITH THE BRUSH!
THINKING OF YOU.
29 antifish 05.12.09 at 10:30 am: banksters writing financial policy

insurance executives writing health care policy

software mega-billionaires writing public health policy

tax cheats running the treasury

misogynists writing the speeches

homophobes influencing domestic policy

woman-haters writing the women’s rights agenda
_______________
Ladies and gentlemen, I present the third Bush administration, OBush.

WHERE IN THE HELL IS THE CHANGE!!! TELL ME OBOTS!!!
30 persephone 05.12.09 at 10:32 am: #24 jeezus
my head hurts.

i want to print that comment and hand it out.

paste it on every blog

wish that fit on a bumper sticker..

how about a t-shirt:

banksters writing financial policy

insurance executives writing health care policy

software mega-billionaires writing public health policy

tax cheats running the treasury

misogynists writing the speeches

homophobes influencing domestic policy

woman-haters writing the women’s rights agenda

-murphy
31 Alice Rodham Puma 05.12.09 at 10:33 am: That story on Betty Jean’s blog is absolutely sickening, and murphy #13 yes they did EXACTLY that to justify slavery of Africans. Hiding being the cloak of a religion or a culture should not be allowed to be a justification for ignoring the dispacable treatment of women and girls or denying the most basic of human rights to them. The right to learn to think for oneself is one of the most basic rights indeed. But we all know why they don’t want girls to learn don’t we? Because knowledge is power and they don’t want to lose any of it.
32 Alice Rodham Puma 05.12.09 at 10:36 am: We had one of the chief propagandists on the Beeb last night early hours giving it all this about the health insurance and how they were going to save money. I just thought here we go… and fell asleep.
33 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 10:37 am: Murphy, once again you’ve said it all in one little comment. That’s exactly what has been happening.

Thanks for the pre-birthday good wishes, DWP.
34 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 10:40 am: Good morning,
Just my two cents as I lurk around here.
Taking Carpathia down is easy. Just point to the results of his administration so far.
Since taking office Obama has spent 1.75 trillion dollars, producing 7 trillion in debt and the end result of that spending is 1.4 million people have lost their jobs.
I’ve been using that argument,with different figures as they become available, for two months. End result? Not one Obie voter will even try to defend him.
The only response I get is “I’m disappointed.”
Add to that his expansion of military actions around the world and you got him cold.
The economy and the war in Iraq were his strong issues. Thats why many people voted for Obama.
TT??!!??. You’re a dude? ROCK ON!
Lets get together burp, drink beer tell nasty jokes and figure out new ways to dominate women. Will be cool.
Webbie, I had three trojans and had to do a new account. Drop me a letter and I’ll send you the info.
((((PUMAS))))
35 Alice Rodham Puma 05.12.09 at 10:41 am: You’ve absolutely nailed it in one Murphy – at 10:27 am Obama – the great divider. Because divide and conquer has proven to be an effective strategy time and again in history.
36 antifish 05.12.09 at 10:48 am: ((((((snowtiger))))))
37 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 10:48 am: Max Baucus in the Senate health care hearing is saying that they are not going to change the health care system, just modify it. There will not be single payor or repeal the exclusion (I have to admit I don’t know what that is, can someone enlighten me please). Baucus said they will examine the exclusion and consider modifying it but not repeal it.

Oh, the AFL-CIO testifier said that he thinks the single payor system is the only way to go but Baucus says no.
38 sistermoon3 05.12.09 at 10:48 am: I knew when Obama left (supposedly yeah right) rev wright’s church after his popularity seemed to be in peril if he did not, that he would be willing to throw anything he said under the bus and anyone under the bus and then proceed to stop and back over it to make sure it was dead. Afterall, Rev. Wright was gung hoe
for Obama, he never said anything negative about Obama, he never
said anything about Obama’s family. Rev. Wright said G-d america!
Obama knew he had said that since the day the words were uttered out of rev wright’s mouth, if you dont know that, then you dont belong to any church in this country and dont know how fast the word of mouth is even if you were not in attendance on a given Sunday.

His entire campaign and life is based on half truths and half lies. Think about it really hard now! Do you leave a church because your minister says something you disagree with NO> you might have a different opinion, but you dont leave because the church is not about the pastor, if it’s any church at all, it’s about your spiritual beliefs. So, basically, Obama wrote in his book the same things that Rev. Wright said, when he said he would stand by his islamic brothers should the ill winds change the tides, or something to that effect. See, I was one of those people who no matter how much I hated what rev wright said, didnt gain a bit of respect for Obama when he left (supposedly) his church of freaking 20 years. But, I did know one thing. He would do this a million times to anyone and everyone to be the prez. So to me, Obama is neither black nor white, neither christian or muslim, neither left or right, obama is chameleon
it’s just really simple…he has followers who lost their own direction many moons ago…and are willing to latch on to anything or anyone who will give them the slightest hope on the slightest issue. I feel so sorry for the people who thought it was funny when during the correspondence dinner, when he said Hillary came running back from Mexico and grabbed him and kissed him and said sir you need to go down there. Where was the outrage on that? Who stood up over that remark and said “hillary is a strong sos and powerful and great leader of this nation?
No one, everyone just let it pass didnt they now
39 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 10:50 am: (((antifish)))
40 Alice Rodham Puma 05.12.09 at 10:52 am: meanwhile in England, for those who might be interested:

Gordon Brown must go

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/11/labour-gordon-brown
41 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 10:54 am: We should make a new law that anyone with a college degree is not allowed anywhere near Wall St, Banks or government. THEY are the ones that have been running the show and running out5 country in the ground for decades upon decades. Let’s start hiring and electing common people with real life experience, instead. Our current POTUS and spouse claim to be graduates of one of our most presitgious universities. And so are all the rest of the educated know-nothings.
42 simofish 05.12.09 at 10:55 am: Morning Cousin Fish – morning everyone.

There are so many great slogans it’s hard to narrow it down to 3.

Sistermoon – do you think Rev Wright went out and talked trash a 2nd time just so Obama could denounce him? People still had problems with the church – maybe it was a way for him to break away.
43 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 10:58 am: Now in the hearing, they are discussing ‘lifestyle’ taxes as a way to fund health care. This seems like a drop in the bucket to funding health care costs to me.
44 Delle 05.12.09 at 11:01 am: Murphy #24

He is a JACKASS!

I believe we can all agree on that!

Delle
45 antifish 05.12.09 at 11:04 am: Hummm, here’s another populist promise from the shapeshifter that will either be diluted down to nothing or never even happen…

How Business will wage war on Obama tax plan
By MIKE ALLEN & VICTORIA MCGRANE | 5/12/09 4:12 AM EDT

Major corporations are arming for a brawl over overseas tax breaks that could be the year’s biggest clash between business and the White House.

“We’re going to spend whatever it takes,” said Brigitte Schmidt Gwyn, senior director of congressional relations for the Business Roundtable, which represents CEOs of the nation’s largest companies.

Obama last week announced a “Leveling the Playing Field” plan aimed at overseas tax shelters and other provisions that he calls loopholes for corporations. Combined with other international tax reforms planned by the administration, the crackdown would raise $210 billion over 10 years.
snip
The preparation appears to have paid off. Some key lawmakers immediately expressed reservations about the plan Obama rolled out last week. Among them was Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), chairman of the tax-writing Senate Finance Committee. Baucus said “further study is needed to assess the impact of this plan on U.S. businesses” to make sure it doesn’t hurt global competitiveness.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22403_Page2.html

Baucus is a real piece of work, isn’t he? And they call the Republicans obstructionists? WTF?
46 murphy 05.12.09 at 11:04 am: (psssst! TT was being funny in her own inimitable way. She DOES love football, beer, and red meat, though. And if she had a penis, it wouldn;t be little. That’s how I know she was kidding.)
47 murphy 05.12.09 at 11:06 am: simofish #42, what a devious mind you have.

i LIKE it!
48 antifish 05.12.09 at 11:06 am: Morning Cousin Fish!
49 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 11:07 am: Anti,
21 billion a year? A big debate over a drop in the bucket.How much money do you really think overseas tax shelters make for corporations?
Even if the “reforms” are put in place it will mean nothing.
Another con job for the public.
50 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 11:08 am: (pssst Murph, I know)
51 murphy 05.12.09 at 11:09 am: LOL!

I can I pretend I knew you knew but that i wanted to use the excuse to post my little joke.

but that would be dishonest.
52 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 11:09 am: No one has a “little one” in the drawer by their bed. LOL
53 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 11:10 am: Rofl.
54 scarlet 05.12.09 at 11:10 am: Fawcett’s Leaky Medical File

News of the return of Fawcett’s cancer and the nature of her condition, were printed in the National Enquirer before she had the chance to inform friends and family. Subsequently, alarming details on her treatment showed up in both the Enquirer and its sister publication, The Globe, within days of her hospital visits.

A UCLA spokesperson said the 61-year-old actress raised concerns to her doctor last May that her condition had been leaked to the tabloids, concerns the doctor then relayed to hospital executives.
Causing even more distress was the fact that Fawcett was receiving care at the center under an alias.

After looking into the records systems, the hospital discovered “multiple reviews” of her file by an employee who was not involved in the actress’ treatment. The employee’s name has not been revealed, citing, ironically, confidentiality.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b57958_fawcetts_leaky_medical_file.html

…staff at the UCLA Medical Center used their administrative computer system to access the medical records of celebrity patients, including Farrah Fawcett, Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, actors Tom Cruise and Dom DeLuise, Arnold Schwarzenegger’s wife, Maria Shriver and many more, some of them being unfortunate enough to find significant information from their files on different tabloids across the country.

http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Snooping_in_Celebrity_Files_Something_Common_at_UCLA_Medical_Center_21621.html
55 taggles1 05.12.09 at 11:10 am: #24, that is why we have to criticize him on his political actions, based on some sort of ideology. If we can’t even agree that PUMA’s lean left and Obama does not, then we box ourselves in and can’t even criticize the real stuff and we end up being nothing but a bunch of whiners.

All we will ever do is argue about our own ideology. We are boxing ourselves in trying to be everything to everyone who just doesn’t like obama. that is my humble opinion.

I don’t think playing both sides is the answer. Cause the only thing we will agree on is not liking obama, but for reasons we will never agree on. Bringing people together for just that one reason will get PUMA nowhere.

I gotta run out. I am sure this will elicit some responses. I do not mean any disrespect to anyone here. But it is my opinion.
56 antifish 05.12.09 at 11:13 am: Yep, snowtiger, I agree. The message “we will stop the big corporations from using overseas tax-shelters” appeals to so many people. They have no intention of following through.

I’ve noticed this is how Obama keeps his popularity up. He holds a speech daily and tells the people what they want to hear. Unfortunately the people are too busy with the struggles in their daily lives to hold him accountable. What are they REALLY getting? Just Words? Yep!
57 simofish 05.12.09 at 11:17 am: I like to think it’s me being a conspiracy theorist — but devious works too
58 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 11:17 am: Well, at least Taggles “Gets it”. Any others?
59 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 11:21 am: Anti, as usual you hit the nail on the head.
60 persephone 05.12.09 at 11:23 am: and i am hitting my head on the desk
61 sistermoon3 05.12.09 at 11:25 am: Sistermoon – do you think Rev Wright went out and talked trash a 2nd time just so Obama could denounce him? People still had problems with the church – maybe it was a way for him to break away.

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Personally, I dont think he ever left the church is what im saying. He is where he is because he chose to leave that church, period. Had he not left it, ummmmmmm would he be in DC as the Pres? Does it matter if it was staged or not? It’s a lie either way isnt it?
62 antifish 05.12.09 at 11:25 am: taggles,

I disagree. Who determines how far left we lean as a group? The thought police? Will individual members have to hold a preset array of values? Will a member be ostracized for holding an opinion outside said values?

You comment is so ironic. We are boxing ourselves in by being inclusive? I think not. We are boxing ourselves in by erecting limitations on permitted ideology. Unless one is a rigid adherent to the two parties’ philosophies, in other words a winger sheep who would have no interest in Puma anyhow, there are no absolutes.
63 murphy 05.12.09 at 11:25 am: antifish, you just gave me an idea for an image I can bug dwp to make for us!!

THANKS!!

brb.

(“and I am hitting my head on the desk.” LOL)
64 scarlet 05.12.09 at 11:26 am: Social Security and Medicare Seen Failing Faster

Analysts expect both programs could run out of cash sooner than last predicted.

A year ago, the trustees projected that the Social Security trust fund would start paying out more in benefits than it collects in taxes in 2017 and that the trust fund would be depleted in 2041.

For the Medicare trust fund, which pays for hospital care, the situation was more urgent. It was projected to start paying more in benefits than it collects in taxes within a year, and the trustees forecast that it would be depleted by 2019.

Fewer people working means less being paid into the trust funds for Social Security and Medicare.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/12/social-security-medicare-seen-failing-faster/
65 scarlet 05.12.09 at 11:27 am: Miss California not fired – Trump
66 sistermoon3 05.12.09 at 11:32 am: well, get ready for you sweet sodas and drinks to be taxed, i told you if he got by with cigs tax, other products would follow, lying son of a bitch, aint lowered taxes, and it appears is strongly urgning more taxes wow, by the time his taxing is through your bumperstickers will be reading
“NO MORE TAXES Mr. Boraxus”
So, all the teabagger might just be growing in a bit, we shall see huh
67 antifish 05.12.09 at 11:32 am: scarlet,

I’m glad to hear Miss California was not fired. While I strongly disapprove of her using the controversy to propagandize her anti gay-marriage beliefs, the underlying cause, that she was trashed for having an opinion, while not excusing it, mitigates it.

Personally, I think firing her would have caused more ill will toward the gay community than has already occurred over this. Thank you Donald Trump.
68 persephone 05.12.09 at 11:33 am: Mr. Obama is already running again. who are you going to vote for in 3 years?

I already know who I WONT be voting for, under ANY circumstances…
69 antifish 05.12.09 at 11:36 am: persephone 05.12.09 at 11:33 am

Mr. Obama is already running again. who are you going to vote for in 3 years?

I already know who I WONT be voting for, under ANY circumstances…
____________
Here, Here!!!
70 antifish 05.12.09 at 11:36 am: Hi ((((Jenni)))), good to see you.
71 persephone 05.12.09 at 11:39 am: Thanks, anti

Does anyone really believe that if we’re good lefties the Dems will nominate someone other than Obama??

Come on!

That is preposterous.

They didn’t give a rat’s ass who the people voted for last year and they
won’t give a rat’s ass in 2012 either.

Infiltrating Moveon.org is not my mission. Preventing Obama’s second term is.
72 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 11:39 am: scarlet
I’m sick of everyone using the argument that social security is running out of money to scare the voters. It’s been going on for 20 years, My 40 year old son told me years ago that he firmly believed social security would not be there when he retired – one of the reasons he was a Republican. Lately, he has dropped a party affiliation and is aghast at all parties (hooray).

Miss California is way too good a publicity/controversy generator for everyone from the media to gay rights advocates to pageant people to use, to get rid of her. We’ll be hearing about her for some time. Sigh.
73 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 11:40 am: jenniforhillary 05.12.09 at 11:28 am Yep, ur right~~I’ma just shup.
I’m so glas to see you. You always have a way of keeping me centered.
74 murphy 05.12.09 at 11:41 am: yep, an anti-ideological stance is difficult to maintain. The momentum, the drift toward imposed consensus and the security that brings, is hard to resist.

I was thinking about this this morning. Perhaps Puma is an authentically feminist reaction to politics in general and obama in particular.

And since an authentically, independent feminist response has been ABSENT from our political lives for so long, we find ourselves sometimes insecure about WHO we are and WHY we are and WHAT we are doing.

We are writing our own map.

Whoever heard of a political group that is open to ALL inclusive groups and philosophies? Who ever heard of a political response that was neither Republican NOR Democrat?

There have been viable 3rd party candidates before (perot, nader, even ron paul) but they have ALL been individual candidates, replete with their own cults of personality. Puma is different — we are a burgeoning 3rd party VOTING BLOC, People — NOT candidates.

. . . this is becoming a post instead of a comment, brb again.

bottom line: an authentically feminist, independent critique of politics in general and obama in particular would look like nothing we’ve seen before. It would be open to ALL women and men who support the idea of equality, the constitution, government by and for the people, and citizen activism.

If the republicans dont have the answers AND the democrats dont have the answers then that means we have to provide our OWN answers.

. ..
75 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 11:43 am: The worst aspect of “use taxes” is how they affect the lower economic strata. When poor people have to spend a greater amount of their income on the few pleasures available the quality of life for our poorest citizens diminishes.
76 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 11:43 am: Taggles has formed her own blog of lefties only, so why keep lobbying Puma? I am a leftie, but it’s Murphy’s call who gets to post here. Pumas can read their posts and decide whether to accept or reject the info. Attacking other pumas should be banned as Murphy has said she will do. Okay by me.
77 jenniforhillary 05.12.09 at 11:45 am: Murphy. that was the best thing you have written in ages.

now do it.
78 persephone 05.12.09 at 11:46 am: taggles1, hate to break it to you but if you don’t support Obama you’ll be called a “whiner” no matter what your ideology.

Again, I reference last year’s primary.

We were called whiners, racists, hags, cunts, bitter, and a whole slew of other names-remember? And we were supporting a DEMOCRAT!

It didn’t matter if you supported UHC, railed against the Iraq war, supported repro choice or gay marriage, etc.

We were still a bitter whining racist hag cunts.

Nobody gave a shit if we “leaned” left or right-as far as the Obots were concerned we sucked because we were supporting the wrong candidate!!
79 jenniforhillary 05.12.09 at 11:46 am: mountain….just here for mini-moment.

trust yourself. don’t go with the flow. love you much

back to work
80 Susie1945 05.12.09 at 11:46 am: Hi PUMAS – just weighing in with my opinion this am – just finished gagging over “the donald” & ms california – I think all religion is bs & ms chistianity makes me think hypocrite, hypocrite – guess her faith makes it okey dokey to get breast implants – what for? is jesus impressed? modeling??? photos nude – lots of faith there too…………..is this country this stupid or what? guess it’s mostly what – ‘cuz if this is considered important news – what’s next? If women like ms prejean continue to let themselves be exploited by males who drool over silicone and then figure that that is something that makes them important – we women have alot to overcome and sadly, I think we’re losing………………somehow, someway we have to convince little girls that big boobs & stupid beauty contests are not women things but just another part of the patriarchy continum to keep women as second class citizens………..
In the next election, I plan to vote for independents and women – no matter what party (altho might scrutize some dem women a little more closely) – cannot embrace all repub values – just like I can’t condem all dem values – so am independent and independent I will stay – the dem party will never return to what it once was and the repubs are still stuck in the 20th century (guess that’s better than Islam sucks which wants the 7th century back)…one thing I don’t understand about the repubs – they claim to want small government & less involvement in people’s lives but want to be in bedrooms and wombs – WTF? maybe will send email to some repub talking heads and ask for explanation of that contradiction – think I’ll get an answer?????????????
ramble, ramble, ramble – makes me crazy……………
81 murphy 05.12.09 at 11:48 am: repeat from the top of the thread:

insulting and undermining comments will be deleted.

anyone who thinks they can transform a group using creative destruction at the same time that they fail to provide an alternative structure or foundation is short-sighted at best and malicious at worst.

it’s like magic — comments WITHOUT insults and personal jabs are posted and welcomed. comments WITH insults and jabs get deleted.
82 antifish 05.12.09 at 11:50 am: Spot on, snowtiger!
83 simofish 05.12.09 at 11:50 am: sistermoon – I hear ya !
84 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 11:51 am: persephone
I actually was called menopausal.
I still laugh about that.
85 antifish 05.12.09 at 11:52 am: #74 Murphy, yes, yes, yes!
86 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 11:52 am: Oh Murphy, I guess I misrepresented your stance on attacks. It’’s not banning but deleting of the comments. Ok, got it.
87 murphy 05.12.09 at 11:52 am: snowtiger #95, exactly.

was just adding up in my head all the new fees, taxes on little stuff, cost of gas, cost of restaurants, cost of EVERYTHING —

the poor are getting poorer a LOT quicker under obama and the middle class is now clinging by its fingernails.
88 taggles1 05.12.09 at 11:55 am: I just got out of the shower, checked comments, I really gotta go. I am not trying to persuade or condemn or criticize anyone. Just offering my opinion.

if we are a third party voting bloc, what is it we are voting for or against. what do we stand for? what do we want? What is the concensus. Is it women’s issues only?? Is it not liking Barack Obama only.

How can we affect change without our own core principles?

You can choose both left and right issues for concensus but you can’t choose the both sides of the same issue. It should be spelled out so people know what it is they are taking a stand for.
89 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 11:56 am: I think , irregardless of anything else, all the anti-obama forces need to take a page from Bill Clintons campaign.
“It’s the economy stupid.”
Everything else will follow.
Just my humble opinion.
90 murphy 05.12.09 at 11:56 am: it’s confusing to me too BCL!

I really really hesitate to ban pumas who have been commenting here and contributing for so long because I love them and want them to be a part of us.

i want to give people who have lots of good ideas to contribute the chance to keep commenting as long as they drop the insults and undermining.

but my patience and my ability to be constantly vigilant are both limited.
91 persephone 05.12.09 at 11:56 am: #88

Maybe we’ll see you at the next Tea Party Protest

list of taxes here, in case you forgot any:

http://www.nowandfutures.com/taxes.html
92 scarlet 05.12.09 at 11:56 am: BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 10:58 am

Now in the hearing, they are discussing ‘lifestyle’ taxes as a way to fund health care. This seems like a drop in the bucket to funding health care costs to me.
—–
What are lifestyle taxes?
93 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 11:58 am: If the comments on new fees and taxes are in response to my comment about the ‘lefestyle taxes’ discussed at the health care hearings going on today, these taxes were suggested by one of the roundtable panel testifying today, but not really supported by the Senators. So it is just an idea on the table, not a proposal (yet).
94 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 11:59 am: I tried an experiement this past week. I asked every man I know, who has a wife or girlfriend, WHO his wife or girfriend IS. Only ONE answered with out describing what she LOOKS like. Thanks, Miss America, Tyra and Angelina.
95 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:00 pm: scarlet
Lifestyle taxes are fees on alcohol, candy, soda – any purchase of something that might affect your health.
96 DancesWithPumas 05.12.09 at 12:08 pm: Persephone
how about a t-shirt:

banksters writing financial policy

insurance executives writing health care policy

software mega-billionaires writing public health policy

tax cheats running the treasury

misogynists writing the speeches

homophobes influencing domestic policy

woman-haters writing the women’s rights agenda

-murphy
————–
duly noted.
97 antifish 05.12.09 at 12:08 pm: #90 murphy,

2 cents

Sometimes being a leader requires some tough choices to be made.

When a problem is persistent, pervasive and, apparently, uncontrollable and the source can be identified, it must be addressed.
98 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 12:09 pm: Murphy,
Having lurked here for a few months now, I have noticed certain posters have used personal attacks as a pattern Not a few instances of being aggravated and exploding.
Those who do are wasting your time and the pacs. The more you are burdened by their behaviour the less time you have to lead.
Idk what they contribute but, forcing you to deal with actions that are clearly against the rules is reducing PUMAs potential.
Just my humble opinion.
99 michelina 05.12.09 at 12:09 pm: Prowl Done: Getting alot of responses.

LOVE LOVE the STICKER IDEAS.

Back to reading and catching up.
100 michelina 05.12.09 at 12:10 pm: OH !!!! PS: ISLAM SUCKS the BIG ONE
101 persephone 05.12.09 at 12:11 pm: snowtiger

*menopausal* has been added to the list!
102 persephone 05.12.09 at 12:12 pm: hi michelina, hope you and the baby are good!
103 BillieJo 05.12.09 at 12:12 pm: (((Murphy)))-
How sad for little (((Skipper))) to find out about how her gender is being treated. That must have been a painful conversation for both of you.

Yipes, in comparison the talk I had with my son at about that age was short and sweet, you were born at an advantage being a male. Don’t every abuse the privilege and always strive to help women that don’t have it as easy. I went into a few details but I also wasn’t as aware as I am now. Now that he is mid twenties, he gets an ear full any time PUMA is mentioned.

Glad I wasn’t on the blog last night, I actually was having a good conversation with Juliette and hope she comes back.

One thing I have to agree with that Mountainsong posted last night, if we get close to applying for a grant we may have to use the PUMA cottage for heavy cussing. That of course would depend on who the grant was with.
104 michelina 05.12.09 at 12:14 pm: Hi Persephone:

All is well, and hope it is also with You and yours.
105 BillieJo 05.12.09 at 12:14 pm: (((((snowtigerredux))))) great to see you!!
106 persephone 05.12.09 at 12:14 pm: BillieJo 05.12.09 at 12:12 pm
I actually was having a good conversation with Juliette and hope she comes back.
______________________________

me too!
I don’t always read every thread so maybe I missed something but I didn’t think Juliette was a troll!
107 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:16 pm: mountainsong 05.12.09 at 11:59 am
Did you mention to these men that they were not really describing their wives. And did they seem to understand what you were saying? I’m curious if they can be enlightened.
108 antifish 05.12.09 at 12:17 pm: persephone 05.12.09 at 12:14 pm

BillieJo 05.12.09 at 12:12 pm
I actually was having a good conversation with Juliette and hope she comes back.
______________________________

me too!
I don’t always read every thread so maybe I missed something but I didn’t think Juliette was a troll!
_____________

Me three! I read what went on last night and all I can say is Juliette, I’m sorry for what you went through. No one here (unless a Bot infiltrates) should be attacked like that.
109 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 12:17 pm: (((Billiejoe)))
Good to be back.
110 antifish 05.12.09 at 12:19 pm: OK, nuff said lest we be accused of belonging to a cabal.
111 Zee 05.12.09 at 12:19 pm: A couple of footnotes to “Islam Sucks.”

If you bring Skipper into town on the subway, Murphy, look for the “Islam 101″ signs, offering introduction to Islam in their central square mosque. Point out that the women have to come on a separate night for a separate info-session…in the lower level.

But then again, there are other religions just as patriarchal. Our former governor, Mittwit, belongs to one where the women have to be pulled into “heaven” by the men…who get to be gods of their own planets, complete with harems.
112 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 12:20 pm: antifish
I wanna be in a cabal.
113 HP Boston 05.12.09 at 12:20 pm: PUMA BEAR!!!!!!

YOU said it on the last post! This IS the slogan for US!!

All Obama does is promise the left. He performs for the right.
114 PUMAbear 05.12.09 at 12:21 pm: Murphy,
I must say that though I agree with you in principle I think Taggles has a point.

Do people hate Obama or what he stands for? Many pumas loved Bush but hate the guy who is a carbon copy of him.
Ideology enters the picture because though I agree about the status of women I mean all women regardless of ethnicity and I don’t want to toss this bum out just to get someone equally bad or worse later.

It’s great to complain and point out BO’s faults but implementing the alternative will be difficult because so many do not agree beyond the prime directive of women’s empowerment and good government. That means different things to different people.

Re Islam I’d like to see an outreach to Islamic women which includes their view of the strategy for change.
115 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:22 pm: BillieJo 05.12.09 at 12:12 pm
What a great conversation to have with sons. I have 2 sons and I just guietly worked for women’s rights when they were growing up and never really explained why to them. When they bacame young men and I divorced their father, all 3 males used my women’s rights work against me as though that meant that I hated men. Cheap shot but it caused me alot of stress for years. Wish I had explained why the work was necessary when they were young.
116 HP Boston 05.12.09 at 12:22 pm: We need a simple, direct and inarguable frame for him.
==========================================yup
All Obama does is promise the left. He performs for the right.
117 sistermoon3 05.12.09 at 12:22 pm: Lifestyle taxes are a joke
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
what will the soda, candy, all that bullshit taxing do, hell, they will just raise their prices just like the cigs did, and who pays, the poor, and the middle class so that is just not
the way to go period. Was it not lifestyles that brought us aides
in all communities whether you are straight or gay, how you gonna tax that? Im sick of the word TAX, but obviously many and obama love how the word rolls off their tongues, fix what is already wrong with the damned healthcare system, start where it’s broke, i dont think there is a brain in dc at this point,.
118 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 12:23 pm: Who will you be voting for in 2012?

Well, we know who we did vote for in the 2008 Democratic primary. But the “winner” of that primary was not acknowledged.

The final vote count with
Florida and Michigan included as whole votes.

Clinton 17,857,446
Obama 17,584,649

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml

Those in your face figures prove the. DNC committed Fraud and the GOP committed Fraud by remaining silent because it benefited them to do so because if Hillary was nominated there would have been NO general election.

The biggest Fraud every committed against the American people IMHO is in those hidden and buried figures.
Unless we speak to the Fraud it will once again not matter who you vote for. The “winner” will be Obama.
Selected again.
Maybe those figures should be on a T shirt .
119 Zee 05.12.09 at 12:24 pm: The Pakistani president has just announced that the Taliban was created by our own CIA and their country’s ISI. I wouldn’t go so far as to say “created” because you can’t create and impose an entire belief system on another people, but we did support and use the Taliban for our own purposes back in the cold war era.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/CIA-ISI-together-created-Taliban-Zardari/articleshow/4508279.cms
120 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 12:28 pm: BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:16 pm

Yes, after I asked, I explained WHY I was asking. IMHO, men seem to be much more visual in how they perceive the opposite sex. Like they kinda bounce off the *looks*. If the looks are appealing, then they will invest in getting to know the person.
I base this on countless interviews and talks with women who feel like *they* don’t even exist in relationships, other than as possessions, rather than treasures.
So I have my work cut out trying to convince them they have intrinsic worth as human beings. Once they begin to believe they are children of the Creator, too, with a BIRTHRIGHT to be all they CAN be, they are off and running. Of course I’m not very popular with the men in their lives.
121 antifish 05.12.09 at 12:28 pm: snowtiger, you and I will start a cabal. Anyone want in?
122 Zee 05.12.09 at 12:28 pm: FLBarbara, the GOP helped to create this mess because in Florida it was the state republicans who pushed the earlier primary date through. Why the DNC didn’t address this is their own complicity, but what is needed is a way for the parties to have drama-free primaries…I like the legislation that is hopefully underway to create revolving regional primaries. Let all areas of the US rotate early dates.
123 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:31 pm: Murphy, I’ve been thinking about your stance on not banning people who have been pumas for a long time, but isn’t there a point where the disruption to the blog outweighs their contribution to the group. I’d say give warnings, them ax them. Just my opinion.
124 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 12:31 pm: Cool Anti,
I always wanted to be in a cabal. How about a freethinker cabal?
Shoot, I remember back in the early days of PUMA we actually linked in democrats for McCain.
125 Zee 05.12.09 at 12:31 pm: And it is a Florida Dem who is proposing this new legislation. One who moves on by fixing what is broken. Primaries are our best avenue for change… the easiest way we can kick the bastards out.
126 MKfromLA 05.12.09 at 12:31 pm: HP Boston 05.12.09 at 12:22 pm

We need a simple, direct and inarguable frame for him.
==========================================yup
All Obama does is promise the left. He performs for the right.

~~~~~

Thank you HPBoston!!! for juxtaposing Murphy’s focus
…..We need a simple, direct and inarguable frame for him.
with PumaBears observation
…..All Obama does is promise the left. He performs for the right.

That is egggsactly spot-on.
127 Zee 05.12.09 at 12:34 pm: McCain was a protest vote, not a lifestyle and philosophical change!

I still stand up for Meghan McCain and Sarah Palin! But Glenn Beck, the Washington Times, and World Nut Daily? Not in this lifetime.
128 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 12:34 pm: I wonder what makes anyone even believe there WILL be an election in 2012.
129 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 12:34 pm: I mean, WHEN is the last time we even had one?
130 simofish 05.12.09 at 12:35 pm: Cousin Fish — #123
I will be right there with you !!
131 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:35 pm: mountainsong 05.12.09 at 12:28 pm
In your work it’s way more important for you to to help women understand their precarious position and protect themselves, then to be popular with their mates, for sure.
132 persephone 05.12.09 at 12:38 pm: how did we get on the subject of glenn beck again?

why do we always get on the subject of glenn beck?

WHO CARES ABOUT GLENN BECK?

che minchia.
133 Susie1945 05.12.09 at 12:38 pm: antifish – snowtigerredux – can i join your cabal too – sometimes feel a little overlooked and outnumbered here even tho been a PUMA since 6/5/08……………….what do cabals do??
134 Zee 05.12.09 at 12:38 pm: 2012 will be ugly…maybe we should concentrate on 2010….on supporting more women candidates.
135 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 12:38 pm: Mountainsong

LOL great point when was our last “election” ?
136 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 12:39 pm: Funny thing about facts, they are facts. Personally I dont care where they come from as long as they can be verified.
137 MKfromLA 05.12.09 at 12:40 pm: persephone -

I raised the issue of Glenn Beck as source material on yesterday’s thread.
http://pumapac.org/2009/05/11/monday/#comment-326310
138 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 12:40 pm: BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:35 pm Yes, and some of their “mates” know I’m not afraid to give statements to law enforcement or to testify against them. Womens’ safety is our first priority. Ther have been times when a woman is threatened that our whole center goes on lockdown until police arrive.
139 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:42 pm: mountainsong
When do you have to engage in conversations with the men – do you do counseling?
140 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 12:44 pm: MKfromLA
If Beck presents facts, and I don’t watch him so I don’t really know, then who cares about his opinions?
Take what is useful ignore the rest.
141 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 12:44 pm: I recently accompanied a woman to a grocery store that has a child care enter and is considered a neutral zone for her spouse (ex-to-be) to pick up the children for unsupervised weekend visitation. He threatened my life just for being there. And it’s prolly going to cost him his unsupervised visitation.
142 persephone 05.12.09 at 12:45 pm: MK

The issue of Glenn Beck is always raised-
Right before someone gets chased off the blog.

I so do not care about Glenn Beck.

He is not my hero.

Personally I think he’s an asshole.

But Pumas fighting over Glenn Beck?

Someone, please- put up a *Glenn Beck is a dick* page in the action center.

Then we can just refer people there to see (and decided) for themselves.
143 michelina 05.12.09 at 12:46 pm: http://merkley.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm

correct e-mail for Senator Merkley, other one bounced back.
144 antifish 05.12.09 at 12:47 pm: #149
Exactly, snowtiger.
145 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:47 pm: mountainsong
Did you deck him? Bad joke, I know this is a very dangerous situation, but not that unusual. Control control control is what these guys are about.
146 persephone 05.12.09 at 12:47 pm: What if the Pumapac site had a *villains* section with bios on Glenn and others like him?

Our own little expose on wing nuts and their websites?

Would it be too confrontational to call out the gay bashers, woman haters,
anti-choicers, etc?
147 Zee 05.12.09 at 12:50 pm: #80 Susie…I think that speaks for a lot of us…you most definitely don’t have to join the long-existing “cabal” …!

The Dems definitely gave up their high ground. But the Republicans may or may not hold on to their outdated social notions. Meghan McCain is trying to breath some fresh air into the party, but she is being viciously denounced by those who want to stay in the 19th century.

On a funny note…”family values” David “Diapers” Vitter may be facing a challenge to his seat (how he survived the DC Madam scandal is beyond me. A *porn star* named “Stormy” is considering a run against him. So I’m not sure if supporting her would be a step forward or backward for women, but it’s one step closer to the reality portrayed in the movie “Idiocracy” where all the future rulers are either from the porn or wrestling industries…
148 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 12:56 pm: BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:42 pm

mountainsong
When do you have to engage in conversations with the men – do you do counseling?

I do it kind of unofficially. I can pretty much, present how I choose. I’m 5′11″ and into body building and build on martial art training I received in the Marine Corps in the 60’s so they usually think twice before really acting out agressively.
I identify as female, and am all about womens’ rights, more than *equal rights*
I’ve tried many times to encourage or inspire various men to intitiate groups that deal with overcoming abuse in the home. Most men readily agree it has to begin in the home, but it doesn’t occur to them that children imitate their parents’ behaviors and that’s how the cycle repeats through generations.
So, whenever the opportunity presents itself and I find willing listeners, I just talk to them, reminding them that their mothers, daughters, sisters, etc are women worthy of love and respect and ask them if they don’t agree, which they usually do.
There are no easy answers. I just try to do the best I can each day. It’s always uphill and with the economy like it is the violence excalates daily. It’s just sad, there are no other words.
149 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 12:57 pm: I have to take my mother shopping now. But I’ll be back later.
150 Zee 05.12.09 at 12:58 pm: #155 Good idea, persephone!

That way, people wouldn’t take it personally.

We definitely need to discredit the sexist blowhards who created the atmosphere of WWTSBQ (why won’t the stupid bitch quit?) during the last election season.

And we need to target the women in the media — challenge them to increase the number of women’s voices in the “experts” they bring in.
There were at least *two* all-male panels deciding that there was “no sexism” in their coverage last year!

It may be as simple as a “count” — count the number of male voices vs female every week. It may be possible without having to actually watch the shows, if their websites have the guests listed?
151 admin 05.12.09 at 12:59 pm: Long, but of interest to Cali Pumas (and all of us, as Cali’s case may prefigure the situations in MANY states going forward). Sorry no link from the WSJ:

“The Banana Republic of California

“California may have to go into bankruptcy,” Rep. Brad Sherman told me at a brunch in Washington this past Sunday. The California Democrat, who represents the wealthy Los Angeles suburbs, is no hysteric — he’s a certified public accountant and former chair of the State Board of Equalization, which administers California’s sales tax system. “It would be unprecedented,” he said. “A judge may have to step in if and when the state can’t pay its bonds.”

The scenario is becoming more likely as tax revenues have declined so sharply that California now faces a budget deficit of some $15 billion by June. If six budget measures on next Tuesday’s ballot fail, blocking extension of certain “temporary” tax hikes and preventing the state from selling future lottery revenue, the state’s red ink may hit $21 billion. In a last ditch effort to save the ballot measures, which are trailing badly in the polls, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has announced he’s preparing a “doomsday” budget with massive spending cuts in case the propositions fail.

One reason the ballot measures look like losers is that California voters swallowed harsh medicine only three months ago in February when the legislature passed a series of tax hikes to stem the budget shortfall. Those tax hikes in the middle of a recession have only exacerbated the state’s unfriendly business climate. So far, California legislators have avoided making fundamental budget reforms. The spending cap they placed on next week’s ballot is riddled with loopholes and would only go into effect if voters approve extending the February tax increases. “It’s the equivalent of holding a gun to voters’ heads,” says Rep. Tom McClintock, a Republican from Sacramento. “Voters may not know the details, but they feel the politicians have abdicated their responsibility to clean up the mess.”

Those same politicians will now look to Washington for a solution rather than address the problems squarely if the ballot measures lose. Rep. Sherman says state officials will ask the federal government to guarantee the state’s short-term debt in order to keep checks flowing to creditors. He points out that California faces limits on how deeply it can cut social programs, such as education or health care for the poor, without jeopardizing federal stimulus funding. Just last week, the Obama administration informed Governor Schwarzenegger that his proposed wage cuts for home health-care workers would cost the state billions of dollars in stimulus funds. Governor Schwarzenegger’s office complains that the powerful Service Employees International Union, which lobbied the Obama administration to withhold stimulus funds if the state went ahead with pay cuts, was included in a conference call in which state and federal officials discussed Washington’s ultimatum.

Kim Belshe, California’s Secretary of Health and Human Services, told the Los Angeles Times she was surprised the union was allowed to participate in government-to-government negotiations. “The involvement of a stakeholder in this kind of state-federal deliberative process is unusual at best. This was really atypical and outside any norm I am familiar with,” she said.

Ms. Belshe may have to get used to the new norm. The powerful public sector unions that run California would rather lobby for a federal bailout than tolerate any repeal of the tax hikes that are driving people and businesses from the state. Unless the state’s elected leadership finds a way to break this stranglehold, California may face a death spiral in which an unelected bankruptcy judge will ultimately control the state’s destiny.

– John Fund”
152 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 1:01 pm: It’s really hard. I have one, the one I accompanied who calls me every few days to say she just wants to “give up”. So I ask her what that means.
Last night, another said she often goes to a *dark place*. I asked what that menat and she said she would end her life if not for her daughter, and, at 42, she fears getting older and all it entails, without her life ever changing. She struggles in nursing school, and as a single parent.
So I just try to let them no that someone *hears* them and they are not alone, and to just make it through another day, today, and we’ll worry about tomorrow when it gets here.
Many of them refuse to watch the news or anything about economics because it deepens their fears and depression.
One of my good friends is a counselor at the city’s biggest high school and she gets really down~~~says she has to deal with suicidal teenagers at least twice a week.
Sometimes we feel like just a small finger in a dyke holding back a tsunami.
153 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 1:06 pm: I’ll tell you the truth and maybe you don’t care~~~but sometimes I have to leave the blog because I can’t stop crying. If we could just harness HALK the negative energy and strife here and take it to the streets to be a willing listener… to encourage someone who feels like just giving up~~~and I BET everyone here knows at least one woman who has no idea whether she’s coming or going or what to do next. Just one little word of encouragement is like a drop of water to a houseplant dying of thirst and neglect.
I mean, Come on~~~talk about changing the world for the better!!!
154 HP Boston 05.12.09 at 1:07 pm: If you loved Bush SMILE! Obama is more of the SAME!

Obama promises the left. He preforms for the right.

Will these look good on a white t shirt or light blue?
155 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 1:08 pm: mountainsong
I do it kind of unofficially. I can pretty much, present how I choose. I’m 5′11″ and into body building and build on martial art training I received in the Marine Corps in the 60’s so they usually think twice before really acting out agressively.
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That’s why I asked if you decked him. I know that you have put the violence behind you and I also know that more violence doesn’t help – but if I was you (I’m only 5′2″), I’d be tempted to deck them. Gets their attention, but also incites them. Sigh
156 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 1:11 pm: *HALF
157 michelina 05.12.09 at 1:12 pm: Taggles I don’t talk too often and READ ALOT,

If you don’t know what PUMA PAC is all about, your not reading
or paying attention.

OUR GOALS and VALUES and STANDS, are very very CLEAR.
158 BillieJo 05.12.09 at 1:14 pm: taggles1 05.12.09 at 11:55 am

I just got out of the shower, checked comments, I really gotta go. I am not trying to persuade or condemn or criticize anyone. Just offering my opinion.

if we are a third party voting bloc, what is it we are voting for or against. what do we stand for? what do we want? What is the concensus. Is it women’s issues only?? Is it not liking Barack Obama only.

How can we affect change without our own core principles?

You can choose both left and right issues for concensus but you can’t choose the both sides of the same issue. It should be spelled out so people know what it is they are taking a stand for.
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I’m reading the posts from bottoms up, and hope it will not get me into a birds nest.

I have been struggling with the third party idea for awhile. It’s only effective if your party is big enough to have an influence on the vote. What could we stand for if we did go in that direction, if we are mainly Democrats, we could stand for what we have stood for all our lives, not the corrupt bs the DNC and obama pulled this year.
If the group pulls in centralists from both parties it could be on issues that advance and protect women and voters that we all agree on. Fair elections, getting rid of caucus elections, fiscal responsibility while pushing forward Hillary’s health care plan, etc.

(See, I am trying to clean up my act by using O’s name without making it into a cuss word. Don’t know how long that will last )
159 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 1:15 pm: BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 1:08 pm

I CAN’T do it when I am acting on behalf of the Crisis Service. And if I did on my own time it would also reflect on them.
But I AM allowed to defend myself. Like the time a year and a half or so ago, I was at the *club* and a guy started flicking me some sexist and insulting remarks. I let it slide until he put his hand on my chest and called me a *sissy*. That’s when I applied a ju jitsu move to his hand, bending his wrist down. He starte cursing and called me a F’n B***h and I broke it. Anmd then left, lol, before the police got there. Nothing ever came of it so I assume somne of the female witnesses told them what happened.
160 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 1:21 pm: Anti,

I just wanted to Thank you for your very generous contribution to see the PUMA slogans are printed.
I am not in the position to be so generous at this time.
But know how much it means to me to have PUMAS like you here.
Many Blessings
161 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 1:23 pm: mountainsong
It’s very wearing to support people struggling with emotional situations. I tend to back out of that role when friends want continued support, so I know how exhausting it can be. I admire you for doing it.
162 Zee 05.12.09 at 1:24 pm: #158 BillieJo

Sadly, yes…an umpteenth third party is not effective. A voting bloc would be, tho…to push both parties and infiltrate from within via better primaries and elections, complete with ballots. No more caucuses!
163 Zee 05.12.09 at 1:27 pm: !54 HP

RED letters on light blue tee shirt!
164 antifish 05.12.09 at 1:27 pm: Thank you ((((FLBarbara)))).
165 HP Boston 05.12.09 at 1:29 pm: admin 05.12.09 at 12:59 pm

Long, but of interest to Cali Pumas (and all of us, as Cali’s case may prefigure the situations in MANY states going forward). Sorry no link from the WSJ:

“The Banana Republic of California

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Sounds like “THE DC GOVERNMENT” is about to take over the STATE of California! Why stop at banks and Companies when you can wring out a STATE!!
166 BillieJo 05.12.09 at 1:30 pm: Murphy-
…Ms. Belshe may have to get used to the new norm. The powerful public sector unions that run California would rather lobby for a federal bailout than tolerate any repeal of the tax hikes that are driving people and businesses from the state. Unless the state’s elected leadership finds a way to break this stranglehold, California may face a death spiral in which an unelected bankruptcy judge will ultimately control the state’s destiny.
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Yes, this is the writing on the wall that is a black cloud hanging over California making us all frightened and running for the hills.
As a person from this state I watched the Calif. congress fight over the budget for months, never trying to cut out the fat but always hit the main red button items of firemen, police and education. I wrote about this a couple of weeks ago, it’s always the same old stories. We already have the highest taxes in the US and now they spend millions for a special election to get us to vote for even higher taxes with a gun to our heads. I keep hoping for a California voter revolt, ice-tea party. I am sick of this, taxes are keeping us all like a chain gang……..and it’s the Democrats, the pigheaded liberal obots that think they can get what ever they want, pay hikes, pink ponies for all. And yet they don’t see the big cloud of dust from the trail of all the people leaving the state from this bs.
I love Califoria, I love it’s people and they will not drive me out. I have to be careful of job cuts where I work and I try to buy things online so I don’t have to pay as much sales tax. I would like to vote the bums out!!!!
As Jenni would say, the California congress is full of democraps!
167 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 1:30 pm: Does anybody know what is happening with Bill Nelson’s plan to elimate caucuses. Is it still alive and going anywhere. This is a crucial first step to primary reform and maybe should become one of our main focuses now.
168 simofish 05.12.09 at 1:31 pm: admin – #159

I searched WSJ for the article and the author (john fund) — no luck. Is the name of the article The Banana Republic of California?
169 admin 05.12.09 at 1:31 pm: HP, yep — if the voters in California vote down the emergency tax increases it could be chaos.

I just read that 1 in 8 Americans live in California. that’s a LOT of people.
170 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 1:32 pm: BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 1:23 pm Yes, it’s hard to know where to draw the line between supporting and feeding their self-pity. Kinda like Murphy finding a line between what is appropriate and what is not, here on the blog.
And it’s almost never cut and dried. Sometimes we walk in front of them, sometimes behind, sometimes alongside. Like I say, there are no easy answers and it can be the most difficult thing of all to get *self* out of the way.
But it’s always about helping *them* to find their OWN voice, answers and direction.
Kind of like if you give a man a fish you fed him for a day, but if you help them LEARN to fish, they can feed themselves from then on.
I’m certainly no saint. I just feel like if I or someone else doesn’t step up and TRY to help, who will?
In my lifetime, I’ve seen more violence and mans’ inhumanity to man, than anyone should ever have to. Is it the only answer, or no answer at all.
171 admin 05.12.09 at 1:33 pm: simofish — it’s from an email i get every day at noon– the WSJ Political Diary. You can sign up for it online but I think you have to subscribe.

https://secure.djnewsletters.com/OJ/OJGetInfo.aspx
172 Zee 05.12.09 at 1:36 pm: #167 BCL, exactly…we should follow and promote that bill. Contact our state reps when it comes up.
173 TexasTigress 05.12.09 at 1:39 pm: it would be HUGE !
174 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 1:39 pm: In the game of politics every player is important. The end result is to win the game.

Use all the game pieces to accomplish the win.

You do not have to like the little shoe or doggy piece one of the players is using but if that little shoe and doggy piece is being used to buy up all the real estate so your opponent can’t then you need to start looking at the little shoe and the doggy differently.

You do not have to agree with the game piece Glenn Beck is playing the game with but he has the same goal of making sure Obama does not win a second term..
175 simofish 05.12.09 at 1:40 pm: We vote next Tuesday on these amendments. If we vote for the emergency tax increases it will be chaos if we vote down it will be chaos.

Did you know we bring in enough revenue via gas tax and car registrations to pay for every single bump in the road, bridges, etc — but they take the money and spend it on other things.

Right now in my neighborhood they are bitching about the parks. Some will have to close down because of budgets. So they are asking for volunteers to take care of the parks. Then someone says – don’t volunteer because the maintenance people will lost their jobs.

Well, it’s a tough world right now. The politicians wanted to get elected – it’s time to make tough decisions. Who do we help? Which programs get cut?

If you want to live in nature — then move. If I love corn fields, hay fields living in the hills of Oakland isn’t gonna do it. I might as well move back to the family farm.

The city just spent 2 million dollars because our community leaders called the Bart policeman a racists for shooting the kid in the back while hand cuffed. I would like to know what happened but accusing someone of racism just because you can is bullshit. Our Mayor and city council should have stood up and said “time out – lets have an investigation before accusing someone of something” Those riots cost over $2M and put people out of business because they damaged the store fronts – overturned cars etc.

OK — I am going off on a tangent now —
176 admin 05.12.09 at 1:41 pm: LOL!
177 persephone 05.12.09 at 1:44 pm: I just read that 1 in 8 Americans live in California. that’s a LOT of people.
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and to think, that’s only the Americans…
178 admin 05.12.09 at 1:48 pm: simo: “Did you know we bring in enough revenue via gas tax and car registrations to pay for every single bump in the road, bridges, etc — but they take the money and spend it on other things.”

but they take the money and spend it on other things! exactly.

Call me crazy but I believe there are A LOT of Americans who think taxes are a GOOD thing, that paying for parks, and roads, and bridges, and schools, and health care, and museums, and clean water, and space exploration, and safe medicines, and safe airports, and good subway systems, and and and

are all GOOD THINGS

but we are sick and tired of corruption, waste, cronyism, payroll padding, inefficiency, and blatant unfairness.

It’s not that I want government to be SMALLER. I just want it to be BETTER. I want it to WORK.

the situation in California is an absolute MESS.
179 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 1:48 pm: persephone 05.12.09 at 1:44 pm
LOL. What a quick and perceptive remark.
180 admin 05.12.09 at 1:52 pm: yeah, that thought crossed my mind persephone.

33.8 million residents, 2.7 million of whom are illegal, according to estimates

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-population1-2009may01,0,4777325.story
181 simofish 05.12.09 at 1:54 pm: admin #178

Raising taxes is not the answer – it’s how we spend it – to your point.

I am sick of it !!

But — when it comes down to making a decision where to spend the money – even those “good things” must be cut. We can’t have it all. That’s why we’re out of money — because we’re trying and it’s not working.
182 persephone 05.12.09 at 1:57 pm: 178

The state of MA recently spent millions and millions turning old railroad tracks into many miles of bike paths.

A great idea-until Governor Patrick has a press conference to tell us that we’re broke and need to lay off fire, police, and teachers.

Do any of these assholes even know how to prepare budget projections?
Hello-planning??
183 Zee 05.12.09 at 1:57 pm: FLBarbara, nope, sorry, in Glenn Beck’s case the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend.

It’s important to counter Brand Zero, but not with a sexist gaybashing hater like Beck. Not only do we not need him, but we should be actively working to get these white male rightwing haters OFF the air.

Not to replace them with the likes of Donna Brazile, of course… we should work proactively to positively influence and increase the presence of rational female voices…but how to even start is a question. The media is far worse than our elected officials, in terms of power, arrogance and misogyny.
184 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 1:59 pm: There is a very upscale area near where I live famous for it’s good schools and outstanding library system. I don’t think those voters ever voted no on a tax issue before. Last week they voted down a library bond issue overwhelmingly by 74%, because word got out that the plan included a new gift shop and coffee shop in the libary. Maybe voters are finally waking up.
185 Zee 05.12.09 at 2:02 pm: Speaking of which, AP is now saying the latest attack on the Afgani schoolgirls might simply be “mass hysteria” of the girls…and teacher!

Here’s a newsflash for them…if the girls are falling physically ill from fear, that’s because they are being *terrorized* —maybe the officials might try protecting them so they feel safe…

http://tinyurl.com/p9dr7v

…But with no group claiming responsibility, the sicknesses could be a result of a group hysteria sparked by one student’s illness. An education official for Parwan province said they had not found any evidence of an attack in Tuesday’s incident. He said one student fell ill before the others and suggested that some of the illnesses could have been psychological…

Fifth-grader Tahira said she planned to go back to school when she felt better, but that now it would fill her with fear.

“I’m going to be scared when I go back to school. What if we die?” the startled looking 11-year-old said from her hospital bed.
186 persephone 05.12.09 at 2:04 pm: my town built a multi-million dollar high school auditorium (i was lobbied by the “override moms, as we call the moms who scream that their children are deprived and that the elderly who don’t want RE taxes increased are “selfish”

so now we have a great HS auditorium-but had to close a fire station and an elementary school due to “budget constraints”
187 Cinie 05.12.09 at 2:04 pm: Murphy, small point of clarification about what I believe is going on in the current health care debate. I believe the current debate over health care payment reform is a smokescreen for health care delivery reform. Health care payment refers to the delivery system, who pays what; insurance companies, individuals, government, any combination thereof. The whole single payer issue is included under health care payment system reform. Not gonna happen, nothing much is gonna change about that, imo.
Health care delivery system reform is being advanced under the “electronic medical records” push. This is the real agenda, as I see it. Computerizing the entire medical delivery system, from patient care to payment delivery, to research, to drug development and linking everything digitally, doctors, patients, hospitals, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, researchers, imagers, etc., streamlining the system in the process, is the goal. A complete health care delivery system overhaul is being contemplated and carried out under the smokescreen of health care payment delivery system reform. And has been since Bush.
188 Zee 05.12.09 at 2:06 pm: 178, 182

I love the idea of turning more tracks into bike paths…and I know people who use them to commute.

What I wonder is where does all the lottery money goes?
189 Zee 05.12.09 at 2:06 pm: er, go…
190 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 2:06 pm: The mass media has, overall, shown itself to be nothing more than a cheering section for Obama. If it wasn’t for the right wing on cable there would be no criticisms of Obama at all.
Throughout the election precces the media as a whole did nothing but promote Obama.
If I was to support getting anyone off the air it would have to start with MNSBC.
Of course, I don’t support getting anyone off the air. Let them do as they please. Debate them and expose them. Free speech in action.
191 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 2:07 pm: process*
192 persephone 05.12.09 at 2:09 pm: pundits are on the air because they have an audience and ratings.

ratings=money.
193 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 2:11 pm: As long as there is a right wing and a left wing, there is going to be *hgate*. And hate is HATE, no matter how a paint it. I’s NOT a solution, it’s just a lousy excuse.
194 persephone 05.12.09 at 2:12 pm: zee

the mass paths run through miles of woods and oh yeah-protected wetlands!

the handfull of people who claim “transportation” have other options.

where i live the paths are mostly used by people walking their dogs.

where are our priorities?

poo paths or police?
what about teachers?

Wouldn’t it be more fiscally responsible to use taxpayer dollars for necessary services first, then extras after the necessities were paid for?
195 HP Boston 05.12.09 at 2:13 pm: Hate is good, it make my cheeks rosey!
196 admin 05.12.09 at 2:13 pm: thanks cinie — I was hoping you’d chime in. I;m still trying to get my head around this.

on the one hand I love my new computerized health records — on the other hand, the link upthread to the story about Farrah Fawcett is CHILLING. always naive, I forgot that the medical records of some people will always have a monetary value and therefore be very vulnerable, and the records of ALL of us could be of monetary value at some time.

ugh.
197 admin 05.12.09 at 2:14 pm: HP, ha-ha!

is THAT why my face is burning up!?

thanks!
198 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 2:16 pm: There will always be a right wing and a left wing. The idea is to openly engage in debate. All sides need to present their case on the merits they see existing, then defend those ideas against others who may disagree. Such debate is what drives society forward. Other wise you are preaching to the choir.
199 HP Boston 05.12.09 at 2:16 pm: is THAT why my face is burning up!?

No darlin thats the WINE!!!
200 Zee 05.12.09 at 2:16 pm: snowtiger, they did more than promote Obama…they trashed Hillary before their feeding frenzy on Palin.

Sorry, we don’t need to promote the likes of Glenn “faggot is just a naughty word” Beck simply because he doesn’t like Obama.

I think it is time to both get the male screaming heads out of there, and work with the few female voices on both sides. The only problem is I kind of like the “turn the tv OFF” solution, personally. But sadly, if we’re going to promote more women candidates, this is an issue we’ll have to address.
201 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 2:20 pm: persephone
How about get rid of the extras and do only what is necessary leaving more money in the hands of the public and allowing communities to raise the money themselves for local “quality of life” projects?
I fail to see why I should expect others to fund classical music or firing ranges.
202 Zee 05.12.09 at 2:22 pm: 198 snowtiger.

Exactly. I love tuning in to hear what Greta has to say—something I might not have bothered to do in the past.

But there is a *difference* between different points of view and misogynistic hate freaks like Beck.

Beck is TOXIC. There is no difference between the pigs Beck and Olbermann, despite how some may say one is “right” and the other “left.”

Both need to be swept off the air so we have actual voices who are not screaming and hate-filled and sexist.
203 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 2:22 pm: Rosy cheeks are good…they make you either look like you just came in from the cold….or just had sex.
204 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 2:24 pm: K, time to go deal with the REAL world~~~have a nice day everyone.
205 Zee 05.12.09 at 2:24 pm: allowing communities to raise the money themselves for local “quality of life” projects?
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What snowtiger said. I guess that’s what I was thinking when I wondered what the lottery money is used for. Lotteries are basically volunteer taxes and some of that money is supposed to go back into the communities.
206 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 2:27 pm: Zee
I think there is a real difference between promoting someone like Beck and using him to advance an agenda. If Beck and his ilk can help get the word out that Obama is a fraud and energize people to act politically, it only helps. Of course there is a danger in that strategy.
However, as it now stands, Obama and company hold all the cards. THEY are the immediate threat. We can use the Becks with out becoming them.
You are right about the destruction of HRC and Palin. It was well documented here and PUMA was at the forefront fighting the medias feeding frenzy. I still have a letter from a radio personality telling me to go “f” myself for calling him on his actions.
207 admin 05.12.09 at 2:28 pm: that’s a slippery slope Zee. Who decides who is a misogynist hate freak? All mormons or just Beck?

linking to something Beck wrote or agreeing with a fact or opinion he makes is not the same thing as promoting him. So long as the person agreeing with Beck is willing to defend her fact-based reasons for agreeing with him.

YOU can choose to not link to or ever read anything he says. You can even say “I will never link to or believe one word out of that misogynistic hate freak’s mouth.” But that’s all you can do.

You can’t tell people who is on the Approved List and who isn’t.

None of us can.
208 persephone 05.12.09 at 2:29 pm: snowtiger

here in my state there is nothing left over for “extras”
but totally unnecessary projects get funded at the expense of other things-like first responders and teachers!

the comes the ‘we have to sacrifice” lecture from the governor.

it makes me stark raving nuts. oh, you probably noticed

We will never have a budget surplus here in MA the way the crony pols
are robbing us-but if we ever did I doubt they’d return the excess to the taxpayers like Sarah Palin does.

They’d give themselves a raise!
209 Susie1945 05.12.09 at 2:32 pm: Thanks Murphy…………………….
210 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 2:32 pm: persephone
I know. I live in Sacramento and am a small business owner. I just got my health permit last month and it has doubled from last year.
Also, In have a permit for “under six thousand square feet”. It used be “under ten thousand square feet”.
I wonder how much larger small business had to pay.
211 admin 05.12.09 at 2:35 pm: we suffer from one-party rule in Massachusetts.

it’s led to a loooong history of too cozy politicians redistributing the wealth amongst themselves.

our public schools suck. our state universities should be as good as California’s or New York’s. our sales taxes are high, RE tax: ditto, “other” taxes, same thing.

public saftey is pretty good — unless you’re in one of the areas where it’s not.

we should be as successful as Sweden given our high rate of education and employment, our low rate of divorce, and our high incomes, as well as our liberal values.

it’s a shame really.
212 atypical 05.12.09 at 2:36 pm: mountainsong 05.12.09 at 12:28 pm

“Long ago, in a far away place”…it was the rage to ask people who they were. I remember asking my boyfriend who was of Italian heritage who he was, and he said, “Filio de Angelo”. Of course, he had previously described his father, on many occasions, as a “pistol” who lived in Chicago when he first landed and had a live-in-girlfriend-in a time when that was totally unacceptable. The father ended up moving to a small town in PA, married, and had a nice family of successful children.
The son had lots of girlfriends, some married, before he finally, too. settled down.
Back to Maya, If a man tells you who he is, believe him.
213 Cinie 05.12.09 at 2:36 pm: “Celebrity” medical records will always be a premium no matter how the curious access them. Snoopers have paid staff for a peek at paper files forever. I don’t think it really matters how they’re stored, gossipmongers are gonna wanna get at ‘em. It’s the spooky “Brave New Medical World” thing that kinda creeps me out. Forget about who’s paying for it for a moment, can you imagine home health hand scanners feeding info to your “designated primary caregiver” and having the info turned into a diagnosis, order for tests complete with scheduled appointment, prescription order and billing invoice in a matter of minutes? Then having that info added to databases of insurance and drug companies, medical researchers, whatever they call efficiency experts these days, and all the other inter-related groups that might find mining and evaluating that information valuable. Like, the government. That’s the kind of stuff I’m reading that some “visionaries” have in mind for the very near future.
214 admin 05.12.09 at 2:37 pm: obama is KILLING small businesses. i wish republicans would wake up and realize that when the Party says they are the party for protecting businesses, they’re NOT talking about people like yo snowtigerredux, or people like Freddibrown or persephone — they’re talking about businesses like Smithfield Farms and Goldman Sachs and Exxon.
215 simofish 05.12.09 at 2:38 pm: snowtigerredux — Sacramento — we need to hook up. We drove up Friday night to meet Puma friends for dinner and karaoke. We go see them every now and then. It would be wonderful to hook up with you !!
216 snowtigerredux 05.12.09 at 2:38 pm: BBL
217 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 2:39 pm: Zee,

There are some game pieces that we individually can not play with.
For me its Michele Obama because I believe the most sexist comment of the campaign came from her, the Hillary House remark.It crossed the line of politics it not only hurt Hillary deeply, but it hurt me and the millions of other women who are blamed for their husbands inability to control themselves.
So for me if Michele woke up today and said “my husband sucks” I would not be able to play the game with her but I would encourage those who could to do so.
I understand and respect that for you Glenn Beck is a piece you can not play with.

But understand as I do that others feel that he is a piece that can be useful.
Allow those players on your team who can play with him to do so if in the end it benefits the teams winning goal.
218 DancesWithPumas 05.12.09 at 2:42 pm: Such debate is what drives society forward. Other wise you are preaching to the choir.
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Disagree. I think debate between diametrically opposed factions keeps spociety stagnant, or at best, retards forward movement.
People who are in basic, perhaps broad, but basic agreement don’t have to waste time on stale matters of opinion, explaining the reasons a statement is sexist, or racist, or ageist, or why bush, bush, raygun, nixon were not close to any ideal, etc.

I’m a social liberal, and, generally speaking, a fiscal conservative. I am a leftist, as I understand the term. I was a kucinich democrat.

My .37 cents cents adjusted for inflation
219 admin 05.12.09 at 2:44 pm: yep — that’s scary cinie.

ugh.
220 Zee 05.12.09 at 2:47 pm: 206 and 207

Who is saying that the Beck groupies can’t link to Beck? He’s Toxic and using him discredits the entire message. I’m saying that the sexist likes of both Olbermann and Beck need to be run off the air if we want a media atmosphere where the next female candidate for higher office is not trashed based on her gender.

If we want to clear the way so last year’s disaster is not repeated, it’s not going to be enough to get rid of caucuses.
221 Delle 05.12.09 at 2:49 pm: Last week I commented a few times about the GPS. I wasn’t sure what it was or if the story was even true.

Several of you were kind enough to reply to me and try to help me understand.

Well, guess what?

I’ve been tagged.

I was out of the house for only a few minutes and returned to find a woman standing on my front stoop.

She was holding a device in her hand and pushing buttons, or so it seemed.

I asked her if I could help and she said she was from the census bureau.

I asked her what she had in her hand and she told me nothing.

Nothing!

I aked if it was one of the GPS devices and she replied ‘oh yes’.

Then I asked why that was necessary.

She told me it’s needed to be able to find all the homes for next year’s census.

On and on. She assured me it’s nothing to be concerned about. It’s used all the time now. It’s even in all new cars.

She wanted to know if my home was a one family.

I told her yes and with that she left.

She told me I can expect a questionaire in the mail.

Many of you think that Obama is the same as Bush. Well, I look at the Bush administration as the good old days.

As aggravating and frustrating as the man was, I wasn’t ever afraid of him.

Something about Barry and his tactics scares the hell out of me.

Delle
222 BillieJo 05.12.09 at 2:51 pm: BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 12:22 pm

BillieJo 05.12.09 at 12:12 pm
What a great conversation to have with sons. I have 2 sons and I just guietly worked for women’s rights when they were growing up and never really explained why to them. When they bacame young men and I divorced their father, all 3 males used my women’s rights work against me as though that meant that I hated men. Cheap shot but it caused me alot of stress for years. Wish I had explained why the work was necessary when they were young.
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I’m still reading the posts bottom to top and working most of the time…..sorry.

((( BigCatLover))) you shouldn’t feel badly, we are all learning by having contact with one another, most of us did learn before by the bubble our life was in then. Your son’s are big now and maybe it’s a good place to start letting them know what women, including yourself have gone though.

One of the last fights, yes, fights I had with my ex-husband (while he pummeled me) was when he said, “Women’s Liberation is OVER!”

PUMAs were are in different places in life and have arrived here on the blog to find out that many of us have been half asleep before this. That is why we have a story to tell to others that have not yet awoken.

You are an awesome PUMA.
223 simofish 05.12.09 at 2:51 pm: This GPS thing had to be in the works before barry came on board – wouldn’t you think? I wonder how they’ve been working on this.
224 Zee 05.12.09 at 2:53 pm: oh! Some people have been infuriated by my use of “we.”

I don’t mean “we” as in PUMAs unless PUMAs decide to make that an issue. I just mean “we” generally, as in we who were appalled at the last election and want to see changes that will prevent a rerun when the next woman runs for higher office.
225 BillieJo 05.12.09 at 2:54 pm: Gack……PUMAs were ~~are~~ in different places in life
226 Zee 05.12.09 at 2:58 pm: 221 Delle

As someone (MK?) pointed out yesterday, Brand Zero is just a ringer sent in to keep the Dems from opposing the continuation of what the Bush-Cheney crowd started.

Very interesting conversation you had, thanks for the follow-up! You know what this reminds me of? The last hurricane evacuation, they made all the people bused wear bracelets. I remember thinking, wth! They could simply have a clipboard of names for each bus, just like they do on kiddie field trips! They must’ve had another agenda to use bracelets…to get us used to wearing ids or something.

Total Information Awareness…anyone remember that?
227 goofsmom 05.12.09 at 3:04 pm: Murphy and Pumaland,

Catching up on the posts right now… Wanted to jump down and say my apologies to Julliet for not doing more last night.

I’m putting myself in the corner right now and will reflect on what I could have done differently.

(((Hugs)))
228 Cinie 05.12.09 at 3:04 pm: About that GPS/census bureau tracking. Anybody else worried about the wrong people maybe using that info in tandem with Google Earth? I’m not sure just how much havoc could be wreaked and exactly how, but, it seems kinda creepy.
229 Puma-SF 05.12.09 at 3:09 pm: Yup, it’s totally creepy.
230 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 3:10 pm: DancesWithPumas 05.12.09 at 2:42 pm
Debate between 2 opposing factions used to move society forward but something has changed – the partisanship has made everyone dig their heels in and fight over everything, or so it seems.

Digitized health records scare me because I support privacy and am a very privae person, but moreso because Obama puts all his records off bounds but wants everyone’s health records online. There has to be a hidden agenda – maybe business to online vendors or something that means $ for medical vendors. Not sure, but there’s gotta be a hidden agenda.
231 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 3:12 pm: I commented a couple weeks ago to HP Boston about the fact that I worked on the 1980 census and we did a precensus where we walked each block with a printout of each address and whether it was a single family or multi family unit. So a precensus is not unusual, but using a GPS is.
232 atypical 05.12.09 at 3:13 pm: Last night when I went to bed, it had been a very good night at Pumapac. I can’t believe it went sour. Too bad, the cameraderie didn’t last.
233 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 3:16 pm: Zee

You can not run Olberman and Beck or anyone else off the air. They are entitled to their opinions as you are, many agree with them and many don’t. None the less they are protected under the 1st amendment.

Counter their opinions with your own opinions but back it up with your
facts.
Use Olberman who hates Beck and vice versa to get your facts across. Write Olberman a letter and use your Beck quotes to expose him and sign PUMA. Do the same to Beck about Olberman. If either one of them reads it and talks about it on air and mentions Puma..you win.
234 Delle 05.12.09 at 3:19 pm: Zee #226,

I never heard that story about the hurricane victims wearing braclets.

Now, that’s frightening.

I guess the braclets were easier to hand out than tatooing everyone.

Things are getting scary in the U.S.A.

Delle
235 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 3:19 pm: FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 3:16 pm
And each will think Pumas support them and oppose the other. Very devious.
236 Delle 05.12.09 at 3:21 pm: BTW I was pleasant to the woman from the census bureau.

I didn’t want to make a fuss and get into any trouble.

But the experience completely unnerved me.

Delle
237 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 3:23 pm: I believe in the last census, everyone got a questionnaire, but some got the dreaded long form (me) and some got the short form.
238 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 3:23 pm: Great news

I am in a CVS and there is NOT one magazine with either of the Obamas on the cover.
239 BigCatLover 05.12.09 at 3:26 pm: FLBarbara
Maybe another Puma was there before you. LOL
240 atypical 05.12.09 at 3:37 pm: A school board in a small city near me will vote today on a pay raise for themselves. (In my state all school boards are volunteer except those in the cities.) They will ask for #3000 this year, and two more raises in the next two years. That would bring the current salary from $7500 to $21,224 by 2011.(183% raise for a few hours a week most weeks). They feel that their salary should be in line with the At-Large Common Councilors. It would be higher, however, than salaries in all but one of the cities in the state and more than some full-time employees in this particular city.
241 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 3:38 pm: BigCatLover

LOL I thought I saw a paw print on the door.
242 HP Boston 05.12.09 at 3:41 pm: I am just back from Wallgreens, needed a BD card for my neighbor. There in the Shoebox card display was OBAMA! I am still retching!
I covered up the filth imediatly.
243 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 3:46 pm: HPBoston

OMG I am going back to CVS to check that out.

Woman goes berserk in CVS film at 11.
244 murphy 05.12.09 at 3:52 pm: shoulda stopped in for a cupcake HP.

oh wait, I dont have any cupcakes.

should stopped in for some hard liquor!
245 HP Boston 05.12.09 at 4:06 pm: murphy 05.12.09 at 3:52 pm

shoulda stopped in for a cupcake HP.

oh wait, I dont have any cupcakes.

should stopped in for some hard liquor!

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I will be stopping in on Thursday afternoon. I will be in your neck of the woods as they say. Doable?
246 webfoot 05.12.09 at 4:07 pm: voting for slogans-
I was reading the old thread which had questions about moving up the start of the voting, when the voting ends, etc. and I got confused. So here are my questions?

When does the voting start?
When does the voting end?
I’m a superdelegate so the rules don’t apply to me anyway; I’m just trying to ensure we have transparency and an appearance of fairness.
247 scarlet 05.12.09 at 4:10 pm: GPS INFO

Census Bureau Adopts GPS to Find American Homes

by Dan Charles

All Things Considered, July 31, 2006 · Two-and-a-half years from now, in early 2009, the Census Bureau plans to send an army of 100,000 temporary workers down every street and dusty, dirt road in America. They will be armed with handheld GPS devices.

Robert LaMacchia, head of the Census Bureau’s geography division, says they’ll capture the latitude and longitude of the front door of every house, apartment and improvised shelter they find.

“We will actually knock on doors and look for hidden housing units,” he says. “We will find converted garages; from the outside, it may not look like anybody lives there.”

But census workers will add each dwelling, legal or not, to the Census Bureau’s Master Address File.

Recent proposed budget cuts have put part of this plan in jeopardy. But if Congress restores the money, the census will end up with the geographic coordinates — accurate to within 10 feet — for about 110 million residences.

But the Census Bureau can’t, by law, share that list with anyone, even local governments. LaMacchia says the information has to be treated as confidential. Otherwise, people might lie, and the census wouldn’t be accurate.

“People would not tell us about hidden housing units,” LaMacchia says. “People would not respond to the questionnaire if they believed that that information would be turned over to law enforcement or code enforcement and become public information.”

More at ling including
Private Companies Push for Data
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5590541
248 HP Boston 05.12.09 at 4:11 pm: DancesWithPumas 05.11.09 at 12:41 am

Beginning Thursday, May 14, Pumas will be asked to email a ONE TIME* vote on their top three favorite slogans to actioncenter@pumapac.org with the Subject: Contest Vote.
Remember to include your blog name in the email.

*All three of your votes should be included in one email.

Voting will end at midnight (PST), Saturday, May 16, 2009. Further instructions will be provided.

We will announce the winning three slogans on Tuesday, May 19, 2009.

View Bumpersticker slogans at:
http://pumapac.org/action_center.html
under “Bumperstickers”

or take the direct flight:
http://pumapac.org/slogans.html
249 murphy 05.12.09 at 4:15 pm: love it HP!

cant wait! I’ll get some cupcakes!
250 BillieJo 05.12.09 at 4:16 pm: HP I think that is the old post and we moved the voting up.

Anti posted this link:

antifish 05.12.09 at 10:08 am

VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE THREE BUMPER STICKER SLOGANS!!

Find them at http://pumapac.org/slogans.html

Voting for our bumper sticker slogan contest begins Tuesday May 12 and runs through Saturday, May 16 at midnight PST.

Please submit all three of your choices in ONE email addressed to actioncenter@pumapac.org, use SUBJECT: Contest Vote and remember to include your blog name in the email. Please refrain from voting for your own slogans even if they are the greatest.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE WONDERFUL PUMAS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE CONTEST!!
251 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 4:16 pm: Webfoot

Your a super delegate..well then I am going to make a huge donation to you LOL

There were no Obama cards in CVS but I was thinking maybe we should make our own cards to send to our OBOT friends.

Happy Birthday
Sorry you can’t celebrate this year.

How is that stimulus plan working for you?
LOL
252 HP Boston 05.12.09 at 4:26 pm: BillieJo 05.12.09 at 4:16 pm

HP I think that is the old post and we moved the voting up.

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Thanks BillieJo, missed that. I guess I was busy covering up the ugly obama puss.
I also was in Kmart one day walking down an aisle and noticed this big freaking picture of THAT ONE HALO AND ALL! I buried it!!!
253 persephone 05.12.09 at 4:33 pm: I keep getting Robocall voicemails.

ALways a survey asking my opinion on federal budget items.

Starting yo think murphy is pranking me
254 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 4:33 pm: Social Security and Medicare finances worsen

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090512/ap_on_bi_ge/us_social_security

WASHINGTON – The financial health of Social Security and Medicare, the government’s two biggest benefit programs, have worsened because of the severe recession, and Medicare is now paying out more than it receives.

Trustees of the programs said Tuesday that Social Security will start paying out more in benefits than it collects in taxes in 2016, one year sooner than projected last year, and the giant trust fund will be depleted by 2037, four years sooner.

Medicare is in even worse shape. The trustees said the program for hospital expenses will pay out more in benefits than it collects this year and will be insolvent by 2017, two years earlier than the date projected in last year’s report.

(more)
255 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 4:35 pm: Thanks alot, GWB. I’m never gonna forget that Moron flying in to land on that aircraft carrier to proclaim, “Mission Accomplished.” NEVER!!!
256 persephone 05.12.09 at 4:37 pm: Right on cue, the media puts out the social security sob story.

And Sebelius says only healthcare reform will save medicare.

Brace for the “Let em die, it’s cheaper” Daschle plan…
257 webfoot 05.12.09 at 4:37 pm: FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 4:16 pm
Webfoot
Your a super delegate..well then I am going to make a huge donation to you LOL
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lol. After I saw Dances’ cousin Guido was helping count votes I made a phone call to Guido….shhhh, don’t tell Dances.
258 webfoot 05.12.09 at 4:38 pm: BillieJo-thanks for the voting info. Now I need to look at my list again.
259 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 4:40 pm: The Whitehouse has announced it will release over 2,000 photos of prisoner interregation at Gitmo.

This is being done in an effort to prove the Bush/Cheney administration was wrong and the US did torture its prisoners.

WTF???
260 DancesWithPumas 05.12.09 at 4:43 pm: Bumper sticker slogan contest Voting begins Tuesday May 12 and runs through Saturday, May 16 at midnight PST.

Please submit all three of your choices in ONE email addressed to actioncenter@pumapac.org, use SUBJECT: Contest Vote, and remember to include your blog name in the email. Copy and paste (or re-type) the slogan PLUS the author’s name with her / his slogan. Thanks.
261 MKfromLA 05.12.09 at 4:44 pm: In an April 23, 2009 press conference, Pelosi was asked if, during the fall of 2002, she and other key members of the Intelligence Committee, were briefed on interrogation methods, including waterboarding.

Pelosi said that only on one occasion had she received a CIA briefing on interrogation techniques, but that “We were not, I repeat, were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used.
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At PolitiFact, we normally would be reluctant to make a Truth-O-Meter ruling in a he-said, she-said situation, but in this case, the evidence goes beyond the competing accounts from Pelosi and Goss. We are persuaded by the CIA timeline, which the agency says is based on “an extensive review of (the CIA’s) electronic and hardcopy files.”
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We reserve the right to change our ruling if new information emerges that contradicts the CIA timeline, but for now, we rule Pelosi’s statement False.

read the whole article here:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/may/12/nancy-pelosi/cia-documents-claim-speaker-pelosi-was-told-about-/
262 BillieJo 05.12.09 at 4:44 pm: FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 4:40 pm

The Whitehouse has announced it will release over 2,000 photos of prisoner interregation at Gitmo.

This is being done in an effort to prove the Bush/Cheney administration was wrong and the US did torture its prisoners.

WTF???
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Yup, yet another foolish move by the inexperienced thugs in the Whitehouse.

I wonder how many American’s will needlessly die from that little act of blatant stupidity?
263 MKfromLA 05.12.09 at 4:45 pm: BBL
264 DancesWithPumas 05.12.09 at 4:45 pm: The Whitehouse has announced it will release over 2,000 photos of prisoner interregation at Gitmo.
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like we need proof.
YO OBUFFOON, SHOW US YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
YO OBUFFOON, SHOW US YOUR SCHOOL RECORDS!!!
YO OBUFFOON, SHOW US YOUR STATE SENATE RECORDS!!!
265 persephone 05.12.09 at 4:46 pm: http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/05/12/obamas-elf/
266 BillieJo 05.12.09 at 4:48 pm: persephone

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/05/12/obamas-elf/
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That is too cute!
267 mountainsong 05.12.09 at 4:48 pm: Thank God, George Bush wasn’t in charge of the Vietnam War. I’d prolly be in Cambodia.
268 BillieJo 05.12.09 at 5:02 pm: Even a messiah loses his training wheels-

Disconnecting the training wheels is a scary prospect for every apprentice biker, even with Daddy standing close by. We can sympathize with Barack Obama’s fright as his moment approaches. It’s not easy suddenly being on your own, paying the price of falling with your own skinned knees and bruised elbows.

(snip…)

But Mr. Obama has already been president for more than a hundred days, and passing the hundred-day mark, irrelevant milestone as it may be, was cited as dead-solid proof that the president is the messiah he told everyone he was. Reality, however, has begun to cast a shadow over the White House, still as faint as the bright golden haze on the meadow but visible enough. “Blaming George” still makes a tingle run up the legs of all the hymn-singing true believers, but outside the embrace of the cult, that tingle is beginning to sting instead. This is Mr. Obama’s government now.

(We know all to well…)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/12/even-a-messiah-loses-his-training-wheels/
269 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 5:07 pm: Fox news Glen Beck doing a show on ACCORN fraud. Pretty wild showing an empty funeral home in LA being used as a ACCORN address.
270 murphy 05.12.09 at 5:09 pm: homofauxbama gets his bluff called (will he respond? I think NOT) posted,

take it upstairs!
271 Susie1945 05.12.09 at 5:11 pm: Thanks FLBarbara – was just gonna post same message about Beck & ACORN – was ready to get flogged -

Remeber when NewOrleans PUMA showed us the photos of the acorn bldg in New Orleans??? Well, it’s still there and there are still no people there – WTF? Beck is connecting the dots -love him or hate him – he doesn’t like the fraud any more than we do & he’s got one hellofa bigger audience than we do…………..
272 webfoot 05.12.09 at 5:11 pm: BillieJo 05.12.09 at 5:02 pm
Even a messiah loses his training wheels-
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Nice link, BillieJo. Wonder when the new money will be printed with BO’s picture on it…backed by hope and change. Then he can just pay off the loans from all the countries around the world. Presto…no more debt.
273 FLBarbara 05.12.09 at 5:17 pm: Glen Beck has just asked for any and all info about ACCORN to be sent to him and “IF it pans out he will put it on the air”

Can we send him the info from team ACCORN?
274 Juliette 05.12.09 at 10:47 pm: Sistermoon 3 #38

Well said. I couldn’t agree more!
275 Juliette 05.12.09 at 11:07 pm: Thanks goofsmom #227

I got alot of support from commnets made this morning. Thanks for yours.
276 Juliette 05.12.09 at 11:07 pm: comments
277 Juliette 05.12.09 at 11:35 pm: Right BilliJo #262

To Obama, America is enemy number 1.
All the while I was protesting the Iraq war, back when it started in 1990, while I was calling Condalizza Rice and others at the White house duringthe G W Bush years, no body had my personal records looked into like they (Obama maximum donor) did to Joe the plumber.
No one hacked into my email, like they (son of a democratic congressman) did to Sarah Palin.
As much as I was a thorn in the side of both Bush administrations, I think that they realized that I, an American citizen, was not the enemy.
278 Juliette 05.12.09 at 11:41 pm: Thanks persephone 106 and BillieJo 103.

Persephone

Liked your comment #71
But you must vote, no?
I lost all faith in my party.
Democracy was defeated in the democratic primary & general, and I will never forget that.
Not sure where to go or what to do but speak out loud and proud against the tyranny of Obama.