Good news goes well with cofffee, no?
“A growing number of consultants and corporate leaders swear by a new strategy to boost the bottom line, one that departs from the standard bag of tricks: put more women in charge.
Several studies have linked greater gender diversity in senior posts with financial success. European firms with the highest proportion of women in power saw their stock value climb by 64 percent over two years, compared with an average of 47 percent, according to a 2007 study by the consulting firm McKinsey and Company. Measured as a percent of revenues, profits at Fortune 500 firms that most aggressively promoted women were 34 percent higher than industry medians, a 2001 Pepperdine University study showed.
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Some analysts even suggest that women might have been able to temper the excesses that led to the current financial crisis. The culprits, one can’t help but notice, were overwhelmingly male. More women at the table, some speculate, might have served as a prudent counterweight to reckless, testosterone-addled men. In fact, Iceland has dispatched a team composed largely of women to clean up after its collapse.’”
Read the whole thing. The author is right to point out that correlation does not mean causation — just because the more successful firms had much higher percentages of women in charge does not mean that having women in charge is what CAUSED the firms to be more successful. Perhaps companies that consciously promote gender equity are also more attuned to consumer desires and are paying better attention to market forces.
Or, as I tend to think, women managers spend MUCH more time actually WORKING at work (so many of them have to be out the door by 5pm to take care of the kids and are budgeting their time down to minutes and seconds, that they have absolutely ZERO time to screw around playing fantasy baseball, taking long lunches, or going to the gym during lunch hour) than their male counterparts, the majority of whom, in my own experience, spend their time in pointless meetings, surfing the web while sort of answering email, and traveling to conferences and meetings where they spend most of their time at strip clubs and golf courses.
But, hey, that’s just me.
Speaking of coffee hauses, the NYT had a fascinating article on Saturday by an American writer living in Holland. He walks us through what it’s like to live in a country where fully 52% of your income goes to the government for taxes. BUT, his description of what you GET for your taxes is enough to make me consider looking for my passport. It’s a very instructive read for anyone who thinks or is concerned that obama is a socialist. (heck no, he’s NOT.)
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bqueen 05.04.09 at 10:00 am
Islamic Gender Apartheid
ruffo 05.04.09 at 10:04 am
Hi All! Totally OT but was looking for a screensaver, which I change often and went to http://www.8screensaver.com and the only religious screensavers listed on there are “ISLAMIC SCREENSAVERS”. WHY THE F%!#@ is that? There are cartoons, TV shows, sports and NO OTHER RELIGION.
IS THIS CRAZY? It is one of the first ones when you google free screensavers. This should be at the bottom of the barrel or under the barrel.
Sorry, I am supposed to be working and needed a break. Lurk here daily and just had to comment on that. ISLAM SUCKS.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 10:09 am
But, hey, that’s just me.
And talking about their stuff!
But, hey, that’s just me too.
murphy 05.04.09 at 10:14 am
HP, you worked in business for many years — does the Globe article ring true to you?
Any other Pumas out there in corporate (or small business) America who think the results of the studies make sense?
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 10:29 am
From Murphy’s post:
Speaking of coffee hauses, the NYT had a fascinating article on Saturday by an American writer living in Holland.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03european-t.html?_r=1&em
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Wow!!!
Only half way through the article.
Wonder how bad their winters are.
MKfromLA 05.04.09 at 10:35 am
#1 bqueen 05.04.09 at 10:00 am
Thank you for that link to the very interesting speech on gender apartheid.
I looked up the bio on the speaker Phyllis Chesler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_
Her story too is worth reading. Here’s a snippet:
Chesler taught one of the first Women’s Studies classes at Richmond College (which later merged with Staten Island Community College to form the College of Staten Island) in New York City during the 1969-1970 school year. During her time at Richmond College, she established many services for female students, including self-defense classes, a rape crisis center, and a child care center.
Chesler was born in New York State to Jewish immigrants. She attended Bard College, where for two years she had a relationship with a fellow student from Afghanistan. She was briefly married to him in 1961, during which time the couple lived in Afghanistan, in the capital city of Kabul, in the large, polygamous household of her father-in-law. She credits this experience with inspiring her to become an ardent feminist. According to Chesler, her problems began right upon arrival in Afghanistan. The authorities forced her to surrender her U.S. passport. Because of local custom, she ended up a virtual prisoner in her in laws’ house…
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 10:37 am
murphy 05.04.09 at 10:14 am
HP, you worked in business for many years — does the Globe article ring true to you?
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Not in my time it was the 70’s and 80’s and 90’s and I read the Women’s room, but not many women had managerial positions or had equal pay. We all worked harder and smarter just to keep our jobs. When a co worker sued a company I worked for and asked if I would be a witness in court for her age discrimination suit I could not, I worked to hard to lose my job. I am ashamed to admit I was such a coward but we all hung from a thread and worked in a small community of like businesses.
Sales back then was a rat race for women, drugs, alcohol, pay to play for contracts, night meetings WITH ALCHOL….yup sex, drugs and always lunch with drinks, dinner with drinks, and “I think you are handsome and a wonderful guy but I don’t sleep around”,god I don’t miss being so tense and stressed it was if you were in UNARMED combat!
I am sure it is different now as it improved when alchol was banned from meetings, women had made strides, we had better laws and company’s hated being sued……..
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 10:39 am
Wow!!!
Only half way through the article.
Wonder how bad their winters are.
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I was thinking the same thing!
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 10:44 am
HP
heh… renew your passport, just so you’re prepared.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 10:54 am
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 10:44 am
HP
heh… renew your passport, just so you’re prepared.
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It is updated for 10 years………..2018!
MKfromLA 05.04.09 at 10:56 am
These passages struck me from the article on women in corporate management:
We are convinced it is essential to accelerate the progress of women into senior positions, given the UK’s need to deploy the best talent available.
Well that’s just common sense, isn’t it? If you have a talent pool of 100 persons, and you eliminate 52% of the pool for reason of gender, then you pick the most talented of the remaining 48%… duh.
Women were more likely to report lacking access to the informal networks that spread crucial information and advice.
In the company where I was recently laid off, the men in my department (including our manager) all participated in fantasy basketball, and went to The Yardhouse (sports oriented restaurant) for lunch. The women on the team were seldom included. Then there were the afterwork happy hours that were common. Those after work happy hours were dominated by men; two women had children at home and husbands who travelled. The other two of us were middle age long distance commuters. Worked out nicely for the men being able to exclude the women from these informal networking situations.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 11:02 am
MKfromLA 05.04.09 at 10:56 am
Ahh MK the more things change the more they stay the same………
simofish 05.04.09 at 11:11 am
Good morning everyone.
This isn’t the first time I have read statistics supporting positive / much higher results when women are in charge.
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 11:14 am
HP = (Hans Prinker?)
Passport and sharpen your ice skates.
Our first stop, after settling in, MUST be the Van Gogh family Museum, pleasethankyou.
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 11:22 am
bqueen
Thank you for the link to Phyllis Chesler…she has been a guest on BJs BTR show. An incredible woman.doing incredible work.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 11:38 am
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 11:14 am
HP = (Hans Prinker?)
Passport and sharpen your ice skates.
Our first stop, after settling in, MUST be the Van Gogh family Museum, pleasethankyou.
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Oh darn bicycles and skates for this uncoordinated one..well the bike ya the skates not so much. Yipeeee! I would love to go to Van Gogh Museum….
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 11:39 am
My experience with a business run my a woman..me then a man my husband was exactly as the article and MkfromLA states.
I ran our company and did not feel the need as my ex did to join country clubs so potential clients could golf and be wined and dined.
His expense accounts and country clubs memberships costs were what I budgeted to live on.
My theory was if you want my product here it is, a round of golf in Floridas best country clubs made no difference at all.
I think men need to be doing something in order to converse. That male bonding thingy.
Women can just sit and talk without all the BS and then move on to another task.
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 11:41 am
There are more women now at the top of the echelon in big corporations all over the world, some of them founded their own business. Good example of that is the fashion model Jill Ireland, she’s worth over a billion dollars. She created her own business (fashion design) then branched out to jewelries like diamonds. Prince Al Waleed of Saudi has women in executive level, his reason in putting women in upper echelon of his company, they can do the same job as men. For a man who is very religious, he forbids all his female employees to wear abaya at work, his reason abayas restricts movement when the person is working. As soon as a female employee enters the building, she must take off her abaya. He also sent a Saudi woman to be a pilot in Jordan, the first female commercial pilot in Saudi Arabia. I think the Muttawahs (religious police) in Saudi Arabia are angry but there’s nothing they can do about it, the Prince is a member of the royal family and do all kinds of charity work for the poor in Saudi; he wanted more Saudi women to pursue their dreams, have their own career, have their own independence.
When it comes to working with women, speaking through experience; I have a hard time. Seldom they come up with concrete solution to a problem. They change their minds like the wind, I hate that. I used to work in a highly industrialized corporation with over 50,000 employees, there are few of us women on top of the ladder (it’s a male dominated industry). During monthly conference of executives, I can predict what would happen, my fellow female in the boardroom cannot make up their minds; that drives me crazy especially time is the biggest factor in our decision making that could cost millions in dollars if we make the wrong decision. As a female, I don’t think like a woman, my brain thinks like a man, I want precision, concrete, no margin for errors. The way I think, doesn’t bode well with other female executives, but my thoughts are always welcomed by men, they always seek my opinion on matters very important to the company on marketing and finance. It reached the point, during monthly conference, I was the only female in the boardroom allowed by major stockholders and CEO.
Men will respect women in the boardroom and promote them and treat them as equal, IF the woman uses her head (intelligence) instead of acting up (screaming). We have a lot of female engineers in the company, they’re tough and would put a lot of men to shame; I get along with them real good. The way they think is totally different, they’re the only group of women in that company I never have a hard time; we think alike. They don’t scream or throw a fit, they’re deep thinkers; they don’t use their feminity, they use their heads. When it comes to salary, they make more money than men doing the same job. Salary increase criteria is job evaluation not tenure. The company has AT LEAST 5,000 engineers, half of that are women and they’re well respected by their male counterparts of the same line of work. It’s fun to watch them go toe to toe with their male counterparts, you don’t see gender, just pure grey matter going after each other, there’s nothing like it…..=))
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 11:41 am
Okay, okay
we’ll get a bicycle powered rickshaw and I’ll
dragpedal you around town.HP Boston 05.04.09 at 11:50 am
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 11:41 am
Maybe you are a man…..or a token woman? OR a true female phenomenon…one of the boys.
As a female, I don’t think like a woman, my brain thinks like a man, I want precision, concrete, no margin for errors. The way I think, doesn’t bode well with other female executives, but my thoughts are always welcomed by men, they always seek my opinion on matters very important to the company on marketing and finance. It reached the point, during monthly conference, I was the only female in the boardroom allowed by major stockholders and CEO.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 11:53 am
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 11:41 am
Okay, okay
we’ll get a bicycle powered rickshaw and I’ll drag pedal you around town.
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LOL will you iron too? I have a Rowenta! Wow gotta thank MK and PB you are so trained to serve!! Lol
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 11:58 am
As a female, I don’t think like a woman, my brain thinks like a man,
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If you’re a woman, then you are thinking like a woman, the woman you happen to be.
“thinking like a man” is a gross generalization and injustice, both to women and men.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 12:02 pm
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 11:39 am
I think men need to be doing something in order to converse. That male bonding thingy.
Women can just sit and talk without all the BS and then move on to another task.
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Yep they are not bonding they are competing….IMO
Men only use half a brain it is a scientific fact.
Women use both sides of their brains……
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 12:05 pm
HP Boston,
My father raised me as equal with my brothers, I carry that with me thoughout my adulthood. In our family, females are the domineering ones; any problem in the family, all the girls do the planning, our brothers execute them. I never feel growing up that I am inferior compared to my brothers or boys in the neighborhood. Boys climb trees, I climb trees too even if the tree has thorns all over it LOL. Dad always say; “if your brothers can do it, you can do it too.” I was taught to be assertive by using my grey matter at the same time not losing my feminity. All my nieces are very assertive and not afraid to go toe to toe with men, they’re very vocal, we discourage timidity in our family. When a girl becomes timid, that’s the time men will walk all over her and in the workplace she’d be left behind; in business she would lose big time financially.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 12:09 pm
ISLAM SUCKS!!!! Someday MY PRICE will let me drive!
Prince Al Waleed of Saudi has women in executive level, his reason in putting women in upper echelon of his company, they can do the same job as men. For a man who is very religious, he forbids all his female employees to wear abaya at work, his reason abayas restricts movement when the person is working. As soon as a female employee enters the building, she must take off her abaya. He also sent a Saudi woman to be a pilot in Jordan, the first female commercial pilot in Saudi Arabia. I think the Muttawahs (religious police) in Saudi Arabia are angry but there’s nothing they can do about it, the Prince is a member of the royal family and do all kinds of charity work for the poor in Saudi; he wanted more Saudi women to pursue their dreams, have their own career, have their own independence.
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 12:15 pm
Then Men who succeed think like a woman.
.
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 12:15 pm
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 12:09 pm
ISLAM SUCKS!!!! Someday MY PRICE will let me drive!
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During the era of Shah in Iran, women drive their own car, then the freaking Ayatollah took over! That’s one thing with Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, a very conservative society, they won’t allow women to drive a car; its not a surprise major cause of death for men is HEART ATTACK. Men do the grocery shopping and etc in Saudia, women stay at home or visit their girlfriends and gossip. They have women teachers and doctors in Saudi Arabia.
Here you might find totally funny, doctors are NOT allowed to look at womens private area directly during an exam, they have to use a mirror. So, the doctor look at the mirror while giving a woman an IE.
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 12:17 pm
Islam sucks.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 12:20 pm
MY PRINCE!
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 12:24 pm
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 11:58 am
If you’re a woman, then you are thinking like a woman, the woman you happen to be.
“thinking like a man” is a gross generalization and injustice, both to women and men.
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I used to be in trading business (export), its a male dominated business. I have to think like a man or I would lose money, not just a few dollars but at least 6 figures or wose lose everything in one shipment. I cannot be a slacker, I have to go toe to toe with them, I can strut better than them. Trading is a very competitive business, people lose their shirts a LOT. Some women may not like the way I think, but it is what it is, no more no less. I don’t rush in decision-making especially when money is involved, I make plans from A to Z and consideration is given to pros and cons. I can literally separate myself from decision making and look at things like a second or third person to get a proper perspective.
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 12:26 pm
A great book to read
In the land of invisible women
A female doctors journey into the Saudi Kingdom.
By Quanta A Ahmed MD
She is an American Muslim.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 12:26 pm
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 12:05 pm
You were very lucky to be brought up that way. You are a very strong, assertive WOMAN who gets along well in a MANS world.
I admire you A4HILLARY, very much.
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 12:28 pm
Asian
Not criticizing the way you think. I admire it. My point is, many men cannot / do not think like that. You think like Asian4Hillary, I think like dwp, Murphy thinks like Murphy, Henry thinks like Henry, etc.
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 12:32 pm
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 12:28 pm
Asian
Not criticizing the way you think. I admire it. My point is, many men cannot / do not think like that. You think like Asian4Hillary, I think like dwp, Murphy thinks like Murphy, Henry thinks like Henry, etc.
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Girl, there are many wasy to unman ANY man regardless of their culture, race, traditions and mores. ANY woman can tame the wildest of all the beast by using her intelligence and charm which is a GIFT from God; men don’t have it, WE DO. =))
Always remember this; ” the DEADLIEST in any specie are the female specie.”
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 12:34 pm
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 12:15 pm
Then Men who succeed think like a woman.
.
—————————Yes they only have to think like a woman 1/2 of the time………..Women succeed and can still find both of your socks!
scarlet 05.04.09 at 12:37 pm
Census Worker Accused Of Inappropriate Questions
Overland Park Woman Shocked By Census Worker’s Questions
OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — A Johnson County woman said a man who said he was a census worker asked her some questionable questions.
Overland Park resident Kim Mertin said that when she opened her front door on Monday to find a man claiming to be a U.S. Census worker, she answered his questions.
She said he started with the expected questions — “How many people live here?” — but it didn’t take long before the talk took a surprising turn.
Mertin said the man commented about her clothing, asked if she’d like a back rub. She said he even asked if she “was wearing pink undies.”
“On several occasions, he touched himself,” she said.
Mertin went inside, locked the door and called police. She also sent the Census Bureau an e-mail, assuming the man must be an impersonator.
But, it turned out the man was really employed as a Census worker.
More at:
http://www.kctv5.com/news/19341437/detail.html
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 12:37 pm
Asian
You’re a woman so
You’re thinking like a woman.
Give yourself credit for your ability to think intelligently.
Stop creditting your success to your ability to think like a man.
Men are successful because they think like you woman.
murphy 05.04.09 at 12:39 pm
excellent insight a4hillary — thanks for sharing it. It’s NOT all wonderfulness when women are in charge. In my experience, some women are too preoccupied with their children and/or their family life to be effective at work. Some are whiners; some are, as you say, expert at holding long-ass meetings and really BAD at actually getting anything done,
but
I’ve known enough women like you, whether in business, teaching, engineering, law, and medicine, who are SO damn good at what they do — who succeed and lead and get the damn job done better than anyone that I have to conclude that they are actually GOOD at what they do — not that they’re acting or thinking like men (who fail so often compared relatively to how MANY of them are in the professional ranks) but that they are thinking and acting like the WOMEN they are.
You are special as a WOMAN aforhillary — not because of some mysterious male genetic mutation that makes you ACT like a man.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 12:40 pm
Girl, there are many wasy to unman ANY man regardless of their culture, race, traditions and mores. ANY woman can tame the wildest of all the beast by using her intelligence and charm which is a GIFT from God; men don’t have it, WE DO. =))
MY GOD!! A4Hillary you are out there!!!
Fuck that shit!!!
Men are powerfull, they make the rules and have ALL the money…
We have to kiss ass!
We have to be sweet and charming so they don’t cut our fucking heads OFF!!!
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 12:43 pm
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 12:37 pm
That’s the ADVANTAGE of being a woman, WE can think BOTH ways and not lose an ounce of our feminity! Isn’t it great to be a WOMAN?
Years ago I wrote a poem about WOMAN, what is our advantage, why EVERY woman should be happy with herself and not look at herself as inferior. The title of my poem was PHENOMENAL WOMAN. I will look for it and post it here. The poem is my own perspective how I look at our gender, how powerful we are. Some culture looking down on women, I always have a good laugh. By the time a man understands a woman he is TOO OLD TO COLLECT A LIBRARY.
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 12:45 pm
HP Boston
MY GOD!! A4Hillary you are out there!!!
Fuck that shit!!!
Men are powerfull, they make the rules and have ALL the money…
We have to kiss ass!
We have to be sweet and charming so they don’t cut our fucking heads OFF!!!
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You know why it happened? Because women themselves allow men to do it for them. It all starts from HOME.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 12:53 pm
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 12:45 pm
Gee can you please go to Iran and straighten them out, then the Saudis, Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan..the Islam country’s..go to their homes. Then Africa, sireLanka, the philippines…..
CJK 05.04.09 at 12:53 pm
Excellent post by Ani at NoQuarter this morning. The media is perhaps the worst culprit of all in perpetuating sexism/misogyny. Constant vigilance among the aware and enlightened is necessary to continue pointing it out, and ultimately, rooting it out.
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#more-23463
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 1:00 pm
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scarlet 05.04.09 at 12:37 pm
Census Worker Accused Of Inappropriate Questions
“I felt I should have been told right then and there that this gentlemen would no longer be out doing what he was doing,” said -Mertin.
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Gentelman??? a pervert!
Some man rang my front door bell this AM..I did not bother opening the door. He went next door, they did not answer, he had some kind of a bag crossbody but I could not see what it said, he was making notes…
murphy 05.04.09 at 1:03 pm
thanks cjk — that IS an excellent read:
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:09 pm
Wow, great thread…but dang…I tried something new. Reading thru it instead of replying to each post, and now I’ve lost a link. Can anyone point me to where the link is for a Wed. night radio show with a Islamic women’s rights activist?
I’ll go back and continue to try to find it…darn…
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 1:09 pm
HP Boston,
Guess what country I came from? Philippines..LOL
While women in this country are screaming “Women’s Lib” we are way ahead in Philippines. In fact I was surprised in this country women are screaming “liberation”, liberation from what? My mother was I consider ultra feminist, my own father doesn’t have a dime in his name, everything was in the name of Mom. All of us girls in the family hold the purse, husband is given an allowance. There are many female enterpreneurs in Philippines and very successful of what they do. The first woman who break the ceiling in Wallstreet (Josie Nattori) is a filipina. NEVER believe the myth filipinas are “submissive”, we’re not submissive but we know how to work our way around men and not losing an ounce of our feminity. I think the western culture thinks filipinas are submissive because we tend to be quiet in the crowd; by being quiet we learn MORE, we LISTEN, then we make plans and execute it. We also hate arguing in public especially with men (we’re not scandalous), but once behind close door, the shit is gonna the fun and its not beautiful.
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 1:11 pm
BBL I have to get my massage……take care all…..be HAPPY being a woman, use it in your advantage! There are MANY WAYS TO SKIN A CAT, USE IT!!!
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 1:13 pm
Dances I don’t think I can go to Holland with you the country would not survie us
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Always remember this; ” the DEADLIEST in any specie are the female specie.”
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:13 pm
#7 HP….wow…sounds like quite the struggle, and you came out on the other side with so much humor and great spirit!
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 1:13 pm
WE can think BOTH ways and not lose an ounce of our feminity!
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You’ve mentioned keeping, not losing, our “femininity”. Which, whose, definition of “femininity”, are you using?
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:15 pm
A4H…seeya later…upthread it sounds as if you were describing the difference in gender thinking that involves consensus. Women typically are more into consensus than men are. But the “screaming” part didn’t make sense. Men strike me as much bigger whiners and screamers than women!
BigCatLover 05.04.09 at 1:18 pm
At first I got lost in the Vermeer article – I love Vermeer’s paingints, but eventually I went to the article on Holland:
‘It is illegal in the current system for an insurance company to refuse to accept a client, or to charge more for a client based on age or health. Where in the United States insurance companies try to wriggle out of covering chronically ill patients, in the Dutch system the government oversees a fund from which insurers that take on more high-cost clients can be compensated. It seems to work. A study by the Commonwealth Fund found that 54 percent of chronically ill patients in the United States avoided some form of medical attention in 2008 because of costs, while only 7 percent of chronically ill people in the Netherlands did so for financial reasons.’
Where do I sign up?
BigCatLover 05.04.09 at 1:18 pm
paintings
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:18 pm
Darn, I refollowed the link bqueen posted on gender apartheid and I still can’t find the info on any Wed. night radio show featuring an Islamic women’s rights activist. I should’ve saved it the first time thru.
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:20 pm
Nevermind the winters… aren’t the Netherlands below sea level?
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 1:20 pm
Zee
I think she was on BettyJean’s program. Check
http://www.pumapac.org/radio.html
for her listing
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:22 pm
Ahhhh, duh! Sorry, finally figured it out. The link is from Murphy’s previous post!
http://freemenow.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/meet-soona-samsami/
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:23 pm
Thanks, Dances…was it last Wed’s show? If so, I’ll listen to the archive…
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 1:24 pm
Z
I think so.
murphy 05.04.09 at 1:25 pm
nope it’s THIS wednesday’s show. I’m looking forward to it and will post reminders.
and bqueen is right — Phyllis Chesler was on Betty Jean’s show a few weeks back — it was GREAT.
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:29 pm
Thanks for all the heads up and reminders, Murphy. I have HAD it with male friends who tell me this gender apartheid is a “cultural difference.” The HELL with that.
murphy 05.04.09 at 1:30 pm
from the link to BJ’s blogtalkradio site:
“Weds May 6th, 9:30pm (eastern)
Samsami
” Iranian women’s rights and pro-democracy activist ”
Soona Samsami, a leading Iranian women’s rights and pro-democracy activist, is currently the Executive Director of Women’s Freedom Forum ( http://www.womenfreedomforum.com ). She has extensive networks with women in Iran, Iraq and Middle East which confront fundamentalism and champion women’s rights.
Do not miss this show – set a reminder – tell all your friends ”
here’s the link:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/FreeMeNow
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:32 pm
Isn’t it FUNNY that all the Islamic women who are speaking up at great danger to themselves are not recognized for their struggle? Not held up as human rights heros? Instead we hear how the women “want” this oppression because it’s their “culture.”
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 1:34 pm
Instead we hear how the women “want” this oppression because it’s their “culture.”
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That justification let’s all of the cretins, who don’t give a heck, off the hook.
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HP Boston 05.04.09 at 1:48 pm
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:13 pm
#7 HP….wow…sounds like quite the struggle, and you came out on the other side with so much humor and great spirit!
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A sense of humor will go a long, long way but not all the way.
I am stubborn and impatient also impulsive. I have learned much in my life. I am old but I do not cling to old ideas….some are worth keeping. But women are trained like dogs to sit up and beg.
Not my style anymore…..hard to shake but I did.
Zee I wanted to tell you that this past weekend I went looking for the day I first posted on Murphy’s blog.
I am not in the first 2 weeks of June, but you are. You are there with ideas, help and great information. You are there with experience in planning and your intelligence of the political was insightful. You were there to explain and complain and to add dimension and scope. You were so helpful to Murphy in what
was a learning curve I then LOOKED for you and you were always there helping. Thank you.
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:58 pm
Hey, HP, thanks!
I was sooooo excited that Murphy had the wherewithal to do all of this!
It’s easy to toss off ideas…not so easy to implement them. I still owe Murphy a very important contact, and I’ve not forgotten. These days I’m trying to do more with “follow through.”
But…I’m wired more to spark than to collect and organize. People can go ahead and laugh when I go thru threads and try to respond to each…I tried to do it differently today and now I’ve lost another thread I wanted to save.
Someone mentioned a Saudi prince who employs women, and I wanted to go back and save that link. Also, an American journalist who went and wrote a book on the “invisible” women there…darn it…
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 2:10 pm
Z forget the Prince Asian4hillary did not post a link…
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 2:10 pm
Z
It’s mentioned in #25
but I can’t find the link… went thru the last 4 threads
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 2:12 pm
ZEE___ No link but this is what was posted, looks very interesting.
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 12:26 pm
A great book to read
In the land of invisible women
A female doctors journey into the Saudi Kingdom.
By Quanta A Ahmed MD
She is an American Muslim.
murphy 05.04.09 at 2:16 pm
link for “In the Land of Invisible Women”
http://thebookworm07.blogspot.com/2009/01/in-land-of-invisible-women.html
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 2:23 pm
Zee 05.04.09 at 1:20 pm
Nevermind the winters… aren’t the Netherlands below sea level?
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DANCES CAN YOU SWIM? I float,
I have my own floatation devices………
Oh do we have to wear wooden shoes?
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 2:25 pm
I’ll be the one in wooden flip-flops.
I swim but don’t have much endurance.
I’ll pack my floatie.
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 2:27 pm
I have my own floatation devices………
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PS I’m not going there. Learned my lesson in a big way.
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 2:30 pm
I got the book at my library (they still let me in)
The author is a British but lived in America female doctor who takes a position in a hospital in Saudia Arabia.
Very Interesting the point of a woman who has lived in the US and Saudia Arabia.
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 2:31 pm
Dances
LoL…not going there either.
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 2:32 pm
FLbarbara
LOL!
Thanks. Now I don’t have to come over there and beseech thee.
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 2:37 pm
Ohhhh I am so happy I do not want thee to beseech me. LOL
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 2:38 pm
FLBarbara
Good. because when I beseech anyone, they stay beseeched!
GOSUEF4HIL 05.04.09 at 2:48 pm
off topic but anyone remember while campaigning for Hillary- Afghanistan and Pakistan were two big issues which she gave top priority to- I had never paid much attention to that part of the world, despite the war- just knew I was opposed to it- reading Hillary’s site gave me so much understanding about what she thought needed to get done where- surprise, surprise- turns out she was right-
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/04/mullen.afghanistan/index.html
What did Obama have to say about it? All I can remember was how he ran around, trying to get people to believe that he was even in the senate when the vote came up-
America was duped-
Not only that- anyone else catch the new over the week-end, that the administration will be re-evaluating Guantanamo Bay?
Freaking duped./
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 2:53 pm
Dances
I made a promise no more perky jokes and the door was wide open and I kept my promise even though it was soooo hard.
I kept the promise.
I do not want to be beseeched ever.
HP Boston 05.04.09 at 2:53 pm
Fla and Dances
I got the hint………..it was very difficult not make small remarks about a dear friends bragging rights!
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 2:56 pm
FLBarbara — HP
I am (kinds sorta) forever (kinda sorta) in your debt (kinda sorta). Thank you (…
FLBarbara 05.04.09 at 3:21 pm
If it were me…I would have a full page in the NY Times and I would mention it every chance I got but it is not me who is perky it is Dances so I will keep quiet about it so she/thee doesn’t beseech me.
bqueen 05.04.09 at 3:43 pm
Don’t know if this was posted here or not but it’s not to be missed:
Obama’s grandmother to perform Muslim Hajj. ‘Mama Sara’ will set off to Mecca for Islamic pilgrimage required by Quran
And here, some butt-kissing press. Em-bare-assing!!
WH Reporters Stand For Obama But Not For Bush
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 3:53 pm
but it is not me who is perky it is Dances so
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I heard that ya know …
Consider yourself beseeched.
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 4:00 pm
Okay, how is this for a wake up call?
Folk legend Pete Seeger is 90 years old.
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 4:38 pm
DancesWithPumas 05.04.09 at 1:13 pm
You’ve mentioned keeping, not losing, our “femininity”. Which, whose, definition of “femininity”, are you using?
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My own only, it’s how a person look at themselves, how they measure themselves. Either we like it or not, we have to compete with men. Women must learn to assert themselves by using their heads not their mouth. Men will respect a woman and treat her as an equal when she assert herself intelligently.
Feminist movement in this country is out of whack. Last year it was the feminist movement themselves who went after Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. In Philippines, when Corazon Aquino became President, all the women rallied behind her. The current seating President is also a woman, President Gloria Macapagal – Arroyo. She’s cute, but damn! that woman is a powerhouse! Guess who are her biggest supporters this time? MEN. Women feel threatened of other women who are assertive and uses their brain. Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin are very powerful women, they strut better than men; who tore them down – WOMEN! As long as women see another one like them not as assertive as they are, they’ll support her; but once they can see her using her intellect, they’ll find a way to tear her down like a house.
That’s the reason in this country, women cannot unite when they see a woman like HIllary Clinton or Sarah Palin trying to break that ceiling. Maybe in the next generation there’ll be a female President in this country, but that is a LOOOOOONGGGGGGG SHOT. Always support women who has strong beliefs and convictions (principled women) no matter what endeavor they try to pursue.
persephone 05.04.09 at 4:42 pm
Men will respect a woman and treat her as an equal when she assert herself intelligently.
really???
so wtf happened to hillary and sarah, then-did they talk too much?
persephone 05.04.09 at 4:45 pm
oops, meant to cut and paste here:
Women must learn to assert themselves by using their heads not their mouth. Men will respect a woman and treat her as an equal when she assert herself intelligently.
Asian4Hillary 05.04.09 at 4:48 pm
persephone 05.04.09 at 4:42 pm
Men will respect a woman and treat her as an equal when she assert herself intelligently.
really???
so wtf happened to hillary and sarah, then-did they talk too much?
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Frankly speaking and this is my personal opinion. Women in this country in spite of their rahs rahs are conditioned to think they can’t be President, that a man can do a better job – that is WRONG. A woman can be President, in fact in my opinion a woman President especially in this country would be better than a man. Hillary Clinton could have been a fantastic President. It was tragic other women didn’t see her that way. The biggest critic of Hillary and Sarah are women, making fun of them – making women look stupid without thinking they are making themselves look stupid. Take for example SNL, that actress I can’t remember her name now, she made fun of Sarah Palin, not knowing EVERYTHING goes back to her, she is a WOMAN too!
murphy 05.04.09 at 4:50 pm
this question sounds a LOT like what we will be discussing at the next SMC meeting.
women trashing women — specifically FEMINIST women trashing women. And even more specifically, RADICAL feminist women trashing other feminist women.
the treatment of Sarah Palin is a perfect test case to judge the merits of the article against.
make no mistake — this is a thorny issue. LOTS of minefields and pits to fall into.
It’s SO easy to start pulling the trigger in the circular firing squad.
My guess is that IN PERSON Sarah Palin is treated with respect by the men and women who work for her because of exactly what A4H describes — she’s tough, hard-working, and uses her skills and intelligence to lead. From everything I’ve read Sarah Palin was enormously popular as the governor of Alaska, by men AND women, and even by Democrats.
It wasnt until the national media got their fangs in her that her skills and intelligence stopped working for her.
But to get to the actual place of accomplishment she had achieved BEFORE the BOIZ from Swamp Misogyny attacked, she MUST have been using her actual skills AND being respected for them by the men she beat to make it into office and the ones who she now writes the paychecks for . . .
would love to talk more about this —
American Idle posted,
take it upstairs!
murphy 05.04.09 at 4:52 pm
oh and what happened to Hillary Clinton is a travesty plain and simple. there is no logical explanantion for it.
it was DERANGEMENT.
persephone 05.04.09 at 4:54 pm
Do your really believe that women aren’t being treated as equals because of something “they’re doing wrong?
That if they would just behave differently everything would get better?
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