Today’s Winner of the Puma PAC
DAILY PIG
Congratulations, you Handsome Devil, You!
Al Giordano at Narco News Bulletin learned this about our Greedy Pig Boy:
In 1985, Joseph Luter’s company, “Smithfield Farms, received what was, at the time, the most expensive fine in history – $12.6 million – for violating the US Clean Water Act at its pig facilities near the Pagan River in Smithfield, Virginia, a tributary that flows into the Chesapeake Bay. The company, according to the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) dumped hog waste into the river.
It was a case in which US environmental law succeeded in forcing a polluter, Smithfield Farms, to construct a sewage treatment plant at that facility after decades of using the river as a mega-toilet. But “free trade” opened a path for Smithfield Farms to simply move its harmful practices next door into Mexico so that it could evade the tougher US regulators.
The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) came into effect on January 1, 1994. That very same year Smithfield Farms opened the “Carroll Ranches” in the Mexican state of Veracruz through a new subsidiary corporation, “Agroindustrias de México.””
It was at one of Luter’s Mexican facilities that health authorities believe the current swine flu pandemic originated. In MARCH of 2009.
“US and Mexico authorities claim that neither knew about the “swine flu” outbreak until April 24. But after hundreds of residents of a town in Veracruz, Mexico, came down with its symptoms, the story had already hit the Mexican national press by April 5. The daily La Jornada reported:
Clouds of flies emanate from the rusty lagoons where the Carroll Ranches business tosses the fecal wastes of its pig farms, and the open-air contamination is already generating an epidemic of respiratory infections in the town of La Gloria, in the Perote Valley, according to Town Administrator Bertha Crisóstomo López.
The town has 3,000 inhabitants, hundreds of whom reported severe flu symptoms in March.”
From the Wikipedia entry on Luter:
“Over Mr. Luter’s 31 years at Smithfield, the company has delivered a 24 percent average annual compounded rate of return. For the last 15 years, Smithfield Foods has outperformed the S&P 500 Index by more than 160 percent.”
No wonder is it? The jackass was able to escape the clean water and air laws of the United States by shipping off to Mexico; taking jobs away from Americans, treating Mexican workers not much better than the pigs themselves, working around laws that protect us all, and then causeing global panic and perhaps a pandemic catastrophe.
Way to go, Joe Luter, you Pig.
(h/t Latda at widdershins)
(Disclaimer: No actual pigs have been harmed in the making of this post or in the awarding of this award. Puma PAC, its members, and affiliated groups have nothing but the utmost respect and fondness for real, live pigs. We fully and freely acknowledge that pigs are, indeed, intelligent and useful animals.)
(and tasty too!)
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bqueen 04.30.09 at 4:36 pm
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/
Kenyan women vow to withhold sex in bid to end political feud…”
persephone 04.30.09 at 4:45 pm
oohhh nasty man!
Is Luter still with the company?
Boycott all Smithfield Farm products forever.
murphy 04.30.09 at 4:48 pm
Yep, he retired as CEO a couple years ago.
Gives him more time to write checks to Republican candidates and causes. He wrote checks for himself and his family members of at least $200,000 in the past few years:
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?capcode=854r5&name=Luter&employ=&cand=&state=&zip=&all=Y&old=N&c2008=N&c2006=N&c2004=N&sort=N&page=&page=1
murphy 04.30.09 at 4:51 pm
taggles at widdershins found this neat online site where you can find out your chances of having swine flu:
http://www.doihavepigflu.com/
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 4:52 pm
Damn! He even looks like a PIG…
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 4:53 pm
murphy 04.30.09 at 4:51 pm
taggles at widdershins found this neat online site where you can find out your chances of having swine flu:
http://www.doihavepigflu.com/
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Great!
murphy 04.30.09 at 4:58 pm
wbd #5, funny how that is isnt it?
If you click on the daily pig link in the right sidebar you can see all the winners in the Daily Pig Hall of Fame and it is amazing how downright PIGGY they all are.
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 5:00 pm
I don’t eat Pork… I use to play golf on a beautiful course with hole 16 passing within 600 yard of a pig slaughterhouse.
Between the sounds and the smell… I starting replaying 17 twice and leaving the bacon and ham behind.
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Yep Murphy… sure is uncanny!
Delle 04.30.09 at 5:06 pm
Deb55 #76 (downstairs)
Thank you so much for all the research you’ve been doing in order to provide us with the proper information.
I would like to make suggestion to all of you. I am not an authority, nor a medical expert; I know only from experience.
Years ago I suffered a collapse of my immune system.
We won’t go into that now, but from that episode, I’ve learned the advantages of taking pro-biotics.
Our bodies are so filled with anti-biotics which destroy all the bacteria, including the positive or good bacteria.
Pro-biotics restore and protect the good bacteria and keeps the immune system healthy.
One form of pro-biotics is Acidophilus.
Since I’ve been taking these pills daily, I’ve not even suffered a cold.
Once again, I am not an expert and I am not telling anybody what to do.
I am merely making a suggestion and trying to be helpful to all you PUMAS.
Delle
persephone 04.30.09 at 5:09 pm
No panic, no nonsense info on pigfluenza from the Brits:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/30/swine-flu-origins-symptoms-treatment
scarlet 04.30.09 at 5:20 pm
Delle 04.30.09 at 5:06 pm
One form of pro-biotics is Acidophilus.
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I take that pill plus ½ to a cup of plain yogurt every day which has the acidophilus in it.
I haven’t had a cold for many years.
scarlet 04.30.09 at 5:23 pm
McConnell, other Specter donors want cash back
By J. Taylor Rushing
Posted: 04/29/09 04:13 PM [ET]
Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell and two of his deputies are taking up Sen. Arlen Specter’s offer to return their political donations in the wake of his announcement Tuesday that he is switching parties.
McConnell, Senate Republican Conference Chairman Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) and National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (Texas) are all asking that Specter return their donations. A fourth non-leadership GOP senator, Bob Corker of Tennessee, is also asking for a refund.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/mcconnell-other-specter-donors-want-cash-back-2009-04-29.html
scarlet 04.30.09 at 5:27 pm
Obama’s energy mandates will cost you
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/29/a-standard-for-sticker-shock/
Delle 04.30.09 at 5:36 pm
scarlet #11
I’m so glad you’ve found it helpful.
Of course, no one can promise that acidophilus will protect us from whatever this flu is, but having a healthy immune system is the first and most important protection against any disease or virus.
Thanks for your reply.
Delle
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 5:37 pm
Two reposts from down stairs about 2 girls who made so far!
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HP Boston 04.30.09 at 5:10 pm
Marching band girl fights off muggers with a baton
QUARTZ HILL, Calif.
- Don’t mess with a marching band girl, especially one armed with a baton.
A 17-year-old high school marching band student beat up two assailants who tried to mug her as she walked to school in this high desert community about 40 miles north of Los Angeles, sheriff’s officials said Tuesday.
The girl punched one of the men in the nose, kicked the other in the groin and beat both with her large baton before she ran away on Friday morning, officials said
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30493653/?GT1=43001
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HP Boston 04.30.09 at 5:15 pm
YIPPY!!!!!!
Saudi girl, 8, divorces 50-year-old husband
He paid $13,000 to father to marry her; out-of-court settlement in case
CAIRO – An 8-year-old Saudi girl has divorced her middle-aged husband after her father forced her to marry him last year in exchange for about $13,000, her lawyer said Thursday.
Saudi Arabia has come under increasing criticism at home and abroad for permitting child marriages. The United States, a close ally of the conservative Muslim kingdom, has called child marriage a “clear and unacceptable” violation of human rights.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30501798/
Puma-SF 04.30.09 at 5:45 pm
Jeez, what a porker. The Huffpo is reporting that one of the administration aids has suspected flu case.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
simofish 04.30.09 at 6:04 pm
It’s sad what’s happened to farming and big business. Smithland has pig farms all over the midwest. When I was a kid my mom and I bred and farrowed sows. We could take the hogs into Farmland. NO MORE. They only buy hogs from pig farms that they pay to have raised for them. Now there is no where for the small farmers who have about 200 hogs to sell. The packing plants like Farmland was bought out by someone — name escapes me. Might be Smithland – I would have to ask my dad.
Just like Poultry — all the small places bought out –so the big business can control the prices.
scarlet 04.30.09 at 6:33 pm
Pig flu infects humans: More evidence against confined feeding operations?
sarah gilbert
Apr 24th 2009 at 1:45PM
I swore off pork raised in large commercial farms after reading Nicholas Kristof’s deep evaluation of the use of prophylactic antibiotics in animal feed, and how it’s causing an explosion of MRSA, a flesh-eating bacterial infection, in pig farm workers and the people who live nearby those factory farms that raise pigs.
With American pork being raised worldwide, and in many of the poorest nations of the planet (did you know Americans eat pork raised in Haiti?), then often shipped across the ocean for processing and back to the U.S. for eating, it’s an almost-certainty that we neither know nor have any way of monitoring how our meat is being cared for, slaughtered, processed, and packaged. There are multiple points of potential contamination (and, while we’re at it, the likelihood of environmentally destructive practices, obviously including the overuse of antibiotics and leakage of animal waste into groundwater) and precious little oversight.
Not that American practices and oversight are far better than those overseas; in fact, America has some of the most relaxed rules regarding animal husbandry, and certainly an overtaxed food safety system.
The reason these cases were found was due to a new diagnostic test for flu being developed by the Navy and tested at the Mexico/U.S. border (which explains why the cases have been concentrated in the Southwest). The source of the infection is currently a mystery, but my best guess is that world-traveling pig meat only compounds the problem.
Where has your bacon been? If you don’t know, my best advice is to avoid it and look for local pig farmers whose practices are sustainable and, even more important, visible.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/04/24/pig-flu-infects-humans-more-evidence-against-feeding-animals-an/
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 6:40 pm
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 5:15 pm:
“Marching band girl fights off muggers with a baton…”
“Saudi girl, 8, divorces 50-year-old husband…”
HP… Pssst… HP … Did I tell you that YOUR TWO POSTS MADE MY DAY!!!!!
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 6:40 pm
I’ve been talking for a while now about issues with NAFTA, fom abuse of women to failure of environmental, labor and dumping laws. I mentioned it in an early post about the murdered women of Juarez. In this case corrupt globalization magnates meet up with military kleptocracy that is much of the third world.
Americans undermine indigenous farming with cheap, subsidized foods, so people move off the land for subsistance factory work, all to profit a few. I don’t think there is any going back from this model.
Perhaps this outbreak will wake people up to the wider issues.
simofish 04.30.09 at 6:42 pm
I am still having a hard time with this flu coming from swine. There is no evidence it’s passed from eating pork.
I bring all my meat back from the Iowa farm.
I support having labels put on our food telling us where it’s being imported from. McDonalds / Burger King imports all their meat from South America.
When I go to whole foods – I buy only the vegetables grown in CA or the United States.
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 6:46 pm
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 6:40 pm:
It’s time we all come together now and become financially self-sufficient as a movement and fund our own solutions…
That’s my dream and what I’m working toward…
What-da-ya-think???
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 6:50 pm
Give us the plan WBD. BTW how about a boycott of these products?
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 7:02 pm
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 6:50 pm
You know… Anita Bryant was never the same after people turned their backs on orange juice?
I really like the idea of boycotts… the trick is to get them to go viral… no pun intended…
Personally, I realized a long time ago that movements take money and I don’t particularly want to go begging… but… if I can bring in revenues to help fund the programs and actions we’re working toward… then I’ll be contributing to the bigger picture and getting my message out there at the same time.
That’s what I’ve been thinking… for a very, very long time. Just didn’t know how big and broad the fight was… it’s all so inter-connected
freddiebrown 04.30.09 at 7:08 pm
I don’t buy fresh produce from far off countries. I got on the case of Wholefoods asking the manager why we have to buy garlic from South America when we have Gilroy here. He said its because they have to buy from other countries when it is not the season in US. Still, I will not buy berries and stuff from Mexico or Argentina unless it is absolutely necessary. So, they have organic garlic from California now.
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 7:16 pm
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 6:50 pm:
I’ve been working on putting the pieces together for quite a while… and now getting my courage up to let others see what I think could work and get input from the gang…
I don’t care how frustrated everyone is… I see PUMA as having a real impact… with a lot of great people, talent and passions… and an inspiring, brilliant leader that just needs a larger audience.
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Gotta go to dinner
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 7:21 pm
P.S. I’m no brain… but I don’t give up and I am willing to spend time observing all the pieces to the big picture, the common denominators of a large segment and what would communicates to each of them, cost-effectively… that’s all.
We’ll see.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 7:23 pm
wontbackdown…
you are a credit to your race (puma race that is)….brought tears to my eyes
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 7:23 pm
wontbackdown…
you are a credit to your race (puma race that is)….brought tears to my eyes
scarlet 04.30.09 at 7:27 pm
The nonprofit Food & Water Watch sent a letter today to congressional leaders in the House and Senate, asking them to look into the source of the virus, the pathway for transmission between hogs and humans, and conditions inside hog confinement operations that could foster the growth and mutation of the influenza virus into more virulent strains.
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/food/factoryfarms/swine%20flu%20letter.pdf
Silence Dogood 04.30.09 at 7:32 pm
These are the people that give responsible businesses a bad name. Truly sad. Especially when a plant this big could recycle the waste into energy and cover costs or make a little money.
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 7:33 pm
WBD I love your idea and it would be a great cause for the pac to support, bringing in new members and linking us to action oriented groupsm
If it goes viral we can force even the transnational pirates behind the scenes that real change must happen.
Zee 04.30.09 at 7:45 pm
wbd and PUMAbear…I saw other places mentioning PUMA…no need for frustration. Leave that to Zerobots.
We can reclaim our party, our progressive ideals and leave both the O-cult and the rightwingers with their own agenda in the dust. (Notice there were nooooo mentions of “Democraps” in the last thread, hmmmmmm?)
Heh.
Zee 04.30.09 at 7:45 pm
HP, love your news items!!!!
Zee 04.30.09 at 7:48 pm
Speaking of tears…I’m not into the constant, nonstop proclamation of them some capitalize on here, but I have to admit a few when catching up on the threads below. Texas Tigress…love the song you posted..! Makes me miss the family I just visited all the more…
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 7:50 pm
Hiya Zee!
Please state your opinions, make your comments, without sideways snarking other Pumas. Thank you.
How are you?
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 7:56 pm
Dances,
there ya go. since I can’t say nothing nice I will say nothing. not a fucking thing. but I’m thinking it.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 7:57 pm
jenn
Thank you for the card, book, and buttons! They arrived today and were so unexpected. Thank you!
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 7:58 pm
dances,
You are very very welcome. how are you feeling?
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 7:58 pm
Jenn 37
Appreciate your restraint. Thanks.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 8:00 pm
jenn
meh.
I’m tired all the time. Being at work fulltime isn’t helping any. Saw the doctor yesterday afternoon for post-surgery consult. Love eating without fear of attacks. All is well.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:03 pm
Surgery takes a long time to totally recover from. I am really glad pumas were there for you. I may need to earn some brownie points so if you need a puma girl servant call me anytime
Zee 04.30.09 at 8:04 pm
Heh…CODEPink is nonstop calling the Precious on his warmongering ways…
they try to frame it so that they “agree” with his “domestic social” issues…but that we should “encourage” Zero not to follow Bush’s war on “Terrists.”
Highly amusing. If you have progressive friends who OD’d on Hopium let them know that Zero’s defense budget is bigger than Bush’s…and that’s a complete reversal (aka LIE!) of his promise.
Zee 04.30.09 at 8:09 pm
Hey Dances! How are you, more importantly!
I will note with whatever sideways or forwards glee I please without your permission!
No rightwing agenda regulars had the ovaries to smear the former thread with their usual “democraps” diarrhea and I note it FORTHRIGHTLY!
And I have lonnnnnnng sneered at the nonstop tiresome parading of “tears” that some harangue us with and it reminded me that, yeah, even I succumb sometimes, as when Texas Tigress posted her video of a song of the South.
But, hey. Nice try, Dances! haha! I am solidly behind your efforts, for real, even when I have no intention of complying!
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:10 pm
I cannot let a day go by without mention of Democraps…
The usurped Democratic Party continues to be filled with Democraps and Democraps reign. Ok..that will last three days..one for each day…Now I feel better.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 8:10 pm
Zee
Amazing! Larger than gwbush’s sizable budget. Does that include the stimulus money desginated for the military??
Zee 04.30.09 at 8:11 pm
#37 —there’s a FIRST. hahahahah!!!!!!
Social-Psyche 04.30.09 at 8:12 pm
John Barry has been putting in his 2 cents worth re. the new 3-in-1 flu. He is the author of The Great Influenza and is a guest scholar at Tulane’s Bioenvironmental Research Centre in New Orleans, where he’s also involved in projects re. water usage and flood control.
Barry discussed the flu on the Washington Journal call-in show this morning, as well as in an op-ed piece in the NYT a couple of days ago. Two of his main points were that the virus fortunately can be killed easily with alcohol wipes and common disinfectants, but unfortunately, we probably won’t be able to stop it from adapting to us and our drugs, then resurging in a much deadlier second, even third wave of attack.
“Where Will the Swine Flu Go Next?”
John M. Barry, April 28th, 2009
op-ed / NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/opinion/28barry.html
The CEJournal offers commentary on Barry’s article and critiques of media coverage as a whole:
“Swine flu coverage: hype or tail-chasing?”
by Tom Yulsman, April 28th, 2009
CEJournal Student Post / Center for Environmental Journalism
http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1759
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“What mainstream media aren’t telling you about the swine flu outbreak”
Tom Yulsman’s April 27th blog post
http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1736
Zee 04.30.09 at 8:12 pm
#46 Dances…
I have been trying to follow Code Pink’s sources and it’s frustrating…
not only no original sources, but if you do one thing wrong in responding to them it shows up as an error and there’s no correcting it…so I have no further info on that as yet.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 8:13 pm
Zee
Not going to fight with you.
Asking for civility, which has been sorely lacking these past few days (myself included). Nerves are frayed, people are tired, and defensive. Please do not attack individual Pumas on this blog.
I’m okay. Thanks for asking.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:13 pm
In fact the Democraps continue day after day to crap on everyone in this country. ..starting with the Chief Crapper: Obongo.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:14 pm
NOP,
My most righteous babe from New Orleans. How are you?
Zee 04.30.09 at 8:15 pm
omfg…I am more completely unnerved by the TICKS down south than I am by any permutation of flu…
snowstorms…ticks…snowstorms…ticks…
which hell?
But thanks to the PUMAs upthread who suggested probiotics.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:16 pm
Moreover I will use this term Democrap whenever it seems fit and I guess that means for the next 4 years…Murphy likes Islam Sucks. I like the term Democraps.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 8:16 pm
Zee
so, how was the wedding?
Social-Psyche 04.30.09 at 8:16 pm
Oops. I’ll give the John Barry/Washington Journal link another try:
Barry discussed the flu on the Washington Journal call-in show this morning….
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:17 pm
53jenniferforHillary: I am tired..so what is new about that?
However..seeing you here is a delight of the young evening.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:18 pm
Democraps oh you stinking democraps
thank you for bo
thank you for mo
thank you for stimulating yourselves
thank YOU for being stinking democraps
Note: you may sing this if you are in the mood
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 8:18 pm
NewOrleansPuma
When you use the term “democraps”, who does it apply to?
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:19 pm
NOP,
It was hot as hades today in Houston–what was it in NO?
Zee 04.30.09 at 8:19 pm
No “democraps” voted for gay hate. That was allllllllll repukes!
heh.
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 8:19 pm
Hello Jenny, hope you’e well.
Hi Zee, welcome back.
Zee 04.30.09 at 8:21 pm
Dances, when NOP and Jenni use “democraps” it’s an agenda.
How’s that for straightforward and not “sideways?”
I note we have not seen another agenda-ist since she was called out in a lie she spent a whole day derailing the thread about…until her own words were reposted in front of her face.
Interesting, no?
freddiebrown 04.30.09 at 8:22 pm
Hello JennyforHilll…..
Mucho nice to see you? I am packing my samples for the show this weekend in NY.. listening to PussyCat Dolls.. It surprised the HECK out of me that I like their songs.. except the ones with the jive talking men like snoop dog. Don’t like of those guys.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:22 pm
since all democraps voted for BO, they voted for ALL hate (hating on women/gays/lesbians the whole shebang)
for the record, I think ALL current politicians are human filth.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 8:22 pm
Howdy, PumaBear!
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:23 pm
60DanceswithPumas: Those who lead the usuped party in Congress and those who follow their lead..That pretty much sums
it up… A new Democrap would be Arlen Specter whom I have just learned was a Democrat many years ago and changed to be a Republican based on wanting to run in a local election.
Zee 04.30.09 at 8:23 pm
Yeah, it just seems that all the “filth” is “democraps” since you never call out repukes. Note the last thread….which I did. Notedly.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:23 pm
freddie–be careful but have fun. it is officially summer in the big city:)
and I hope your kitty is doing better….
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 8:25 pm
simofish 04.30.09 at 6:42 pm
I am still having a hard time with this flu coming from swine. There is no evidence it’s passed from eating pork.
I bring all my meat back from the Iowa farm.
I support having labels put on our food telling us where it’s being imported from. McDonalds / Burger King imports all their meat from South America.
When I go to whole foods – I buy only the vegetables grown in CA or the United States.
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Nope Simofish, you can’t get it from EATING pork…..
Swine Flu in Humans
Can humans catch swine flu?
Swine flu viruses do not normally infect humans. However, sporadic human infections with swine flu have occurred. Most commonly, these cases occur in persons with direct exposure to pigs (e.g. children near pigs at a fair or workers in the swine industry). In addition, there have been documented cases of one person spreading swine flu to others. For example, an outbreak of apparent swine flu infection in pigs in Wisconsin in 1988 resulted in multiple human infections, and, although no community outbreak resulted, there was antibody evidence of virus transmission from the patient to health care workers who had close contact with the patient.
(snip…)
Can people catch swine flu from eating pork?
No. Swine influenza viruses are not transmitted by food. You can not get swine influenza from eating pork or pork products. Eating properly handled and cooked pork and pork products is safe. Cooking pork to an internal temperature of 160°F kills the swine flu virus as it does other bacteria and viruses.
How does swine flu spread?
Influenza viruses can be directly transmitted from pigs to people and from people to pigs. Human infection with flu viruses from pigs are most likely to occur when people are in close proximity to infected pigs, such as in pig barns and livestock exhibits housing pigs at fairs. Human-to-human transmission of swine flu can also occur. This is thought to occur in the same way as seasonal flu occurs in people, which is mainly person-to-person transmission through coughing or sneezing of people infected with the influenza virus. People may become infected by touching something with flu viruses on it and then touching their mouth or nose.
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/key_facts.htm
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 8:25 pm
Knock it off. Stop baiting. Stop taking the bait.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:26 pm
Zee: I speak for me not for anyone else. …and I have just indicated what I mean when I use the term…
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:27 pm
well Zee, then you have not been here long enough or read enough of my posts to know how I feel about both political parties. For the record, I think they both should be totally dismantled and apologies should be hand written to every American citizen.
I am MORE angry at Dems than repubs because of my take on the whole BO thing. That is all. I hold them both equally guilty. I am entitled to my opinion.
And just because I see no hope of a third party candidate in time for the next presidential election, I am not a republican because I am going to campaign and vote for one I am a realist who thinks that NO ONE COULD BE WORSE.
And if you do not like my opinions, that is your right. but please do not attack me or others here. You opinion is not more right.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 8:27 pm
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:23 pm
60DanceswithPumas: Those who lead the usuped party in Congress and those who follow their lead..That pretty much sums it up…
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NOP, Thank you. I needed the clarification since I am, and others are, still registered Democrats. Thanks again.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:28 pm
I do not know what a repuke is but I do know that I slit pigpaws throat.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:29 pm
77DanceswithPumas: You are welcome. I am also still and will remain until I die a registered Democrat. I do not intend to let Democraps run me from a designation that they have usurped.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 8:30 pm
77 NOP
Exactly. We’re the Democrats… “they” are not.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:32 pm
don’t mess w/ NOP
At this point, with Acorn handling the next vote even more so we are all pretty much screwed. unless someone has a plan……
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:36 pm
77DanceswithPmas: Exactly..that is my take on it and that will not change. I have carried my voter registration card in my wallet from the day I first registered many years ago..and seen a few for that reason get beat up and I had to get another..and if this current gets in the same condition…I will get another
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 8:38 pm
Dances, I do appreciate your trying to explain the mood of many on the blog.
I am going to try and ignore the attempt at getting PUMAs riled up and walk away when I am ready to blow my cork.
Good to see you Jenni!!!!!
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:38 pm
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/INSIDE-WASHINGTON-Rude-apf-15091434.html?.v=1
I am late for evening job and just almost burned kitchen down with toast (I should never be allowed to use stove). Read this story about how the stimulus we all just/didn’t get now has to be sent back to you know who
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 8:38 pm
Now..as I have not eaten dinner..I am going to do so..
To each and all and especially you…jenniferforhillary I say goodbye for while.
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 8:39 pm
jenniforhillary
At this point, with Acorn handling the next vote even more so we are all pretty much screwed. unless someone has a plan……
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Move into the empty houses before they do and join a huge voting block that will vote all the bums out, dems and repubs. Clean the house.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:40 pm
Billie Jo,
Love you girl. And, by the way, what I said about the heart of puma was not figurative, it was literal (as in our numbers have grown smaller due to whatever forces are out there). the figurative heart of the puma is large and will never stop beating.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:40 pm
good night nop…..
freddiebrown 04.30.09 at 8:41 pm
Hi BillieJo, Dances, NOP :
Sometimes, picking your battles mean LETTING GO of a need to engage in them. I wish I could practise this all the time but I am trying to remember it.
goofsmom 04.30.09 at 8:41 pm
Hello pumaland,
((((Hugs to all))))
Just touching base, I’m mostly lurking right now. Got stuff I need to focus on. I’ll be back more on the threads after next week.
Love ya all….
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:43 pm
<—– am picturing myself letting go of a rotten egg (hope this made you laugh billie jo)
goofs good to see you and puma bear thank you for the welcome.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 8:44 pm
((((Goofsmom))))
goofsmom 04.30.09 at 8:47 pm
((((DancesWithPumas))))
((((Jenniforhillary))))
Thank you…
freddiebrown 04.30.09 at 8:48 pm
Lou Dobbs was doing a piece on his show about Acorn. I think he has quite a bit of disdain for Acorn. Perhaps we should start a small campaign to light a fire and where the smoke blows. We need the right people to know that there is a group here that wants action. The more they talk, the more others might follow suit and hence the “I’ve got legs” come about. Just like during the primaries…some people asked why are we bothering with Geraldine Frerraro. The short story is that we want to align with her candidate of choice (at that time Hillary). She reached out and talked about Puma and it gave us the credibility and people got curious and talked about Puma. It wasn’t at all about making kiss face with Geraldine Ferraro at all. Maybe we need to find sympathetic public figures and align ourselves ?
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 8:51 pm
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:40 pm
Billie Jo,
Love you girl. And, by the way, what I said about the heart of puma was not figurative, it was literal (as in our numbers have grown smaller due to whatever forces are out there). the figurative heart of the puma is large and will never stop beating.
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I know what you mean and love you back. I do think most of the people that were on the blog and left, those that didn’t fall under the spell of Kool-aid or the Beck’s are feeling the same, know the facts on BObama and feel alone because of some people on the blog that they do not like and left from all the attacks. I am not talking about you, so don’t go there.
Some people like to stir up shit on the blog and they are the ones that are directly responsible for the pac numbers dropping. Yes, some left because there were right wing ideas floating around a lot, but most people know how to bypass a post they disagree with, but when it gets nasty, they leave. That is what I was trying to say.
I don’t think we need to agree with each other, people never agree with everything, but being nasty to other PUMAs is destructive towards the pac.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:53 pm
billie jo…
i agree with you 100% of the time. is there something wrong with me?
I am still trying to clean up the kitchen. this is not good, and for some reason the water is off
Zee 04.30.09 at 8:59 pm
Jennnnnniiiiiii….sheeshhh!!! I apologize for the “filth” comment!!!!!! I get you mixed up with sandi due to my own dyslexic problems…compounded with the fact you are both Glenn Beck promoters and very pointedly attack “democraps” while pretending to be nonpartisan!
Sandi is the one with the loose profanities…and I am *not* faulting her for that, I’m all for letting loose. But I apologize because for all I know Jenni is dead set against that…
But this just goes to show I can’t remember, nor did I mention who normally rants on and on about “democraps.” I could not care less who does…I merely noted they, whoever they are, were notably absent from the last thread!
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 9:00 pm
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:32 pm I/we have a plan.
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 9:03 pm
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 8:53 pm
billie jo…
i agree with you 100% of the time. is there something wrong with me?
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Maybe that’s why Murphy said I was your sockpuppet, but actually we do differ a little, I think you have more confidence in Repubs than I do. I don’t trust either group of people in congress at this point.
I am a centralist Hillary Democrat, that is MIA in congress right now.
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:03 pm
#75 jenni
No problem…I will attack allllll rightwingers who praise the likes of Glenn “faggot is just a naughty word” Beck and who call out “Democraps” instead of the Repukes who alllllllll stood firm in prejudice and hate against gays (as opposed to Democrats).
And if individual “Pumas” feel called out, that’s their problem. I’m talking about progressive ideals.
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:06 pm
As far as a “plan” on voting…we need to work on primaries…and on steps preceding that.
And we NEED to get more women voting. And that means gathering new voters. And that means all the SAME PROBLEMS that ACORN has.
It’s no different from separating wheat from shaft..lists will always have to be vetted and re-vetted. That’s NORMAL.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 9:06 pm
I hear the wind. she is very sick. she needs to be spanked. perhaps glen beck is not busy. but he will have to wash his hands afterwards.
Got to go…kitchen is passably clean. for the record, glen beck sucks rocks but he was the voice of reason as compared to democraps…and still is.
mountainsong–email me. I thought of you when I came here tonight. in more ways than one….love you much
goofsmom 04.30.09 at 9:07 pm
California Pumas
Swine flu email from Senator Boxer
Dear Friend:
Many people are struggling to understand how the recent outbreak of H1N1 flu, also known as “swine flu,” may impact them and how they can protect their families. Knowing that California has been especially impacted, I hope that you will use my web feature as a source of reliable information. You can find this feature at:
http://boxer.senate.gov/features/h1n1flu/index.cfm
Sincerely,
Barbara Boxer
United States Senator
Info off link:
San Diego County – 7
Sacramento County – 1
San Bernardino County – 1
Imperial County – 5
17 probable cases
San Diego County – 1
Marin County – 2
Sacramento County – 3
Los Angeles County – 2
Tulare county – 1
Riverside County – 4
San Joaquin Couny – 1
Santa Clara County – 3
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:08 pm
54 NOP…
I don’t see you using “democraps” frequently…you may like the term, but just curious, what do you call Repukes?
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 9:09 pm
(((freddiebrown)))
Sometimes, picking your battles mean LETTING GO of a need to engage in them. I wish I could practise this all the time but I am trying to remember it.
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Yup Freddie, I try to ignore these people, when I can’t do that, I walk away from the computer. Soon they will be there alone talking to themselves…
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Hi (((goofsmom)))
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:10 pm
#101
Glenn Beck fluffing is the lowest of the low. Retch.
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:12 pm
#79 Dances…exactly.
And Dems don’t take too kindly to nonstop frothing about “democraps” — not to mention kneepad fluffing of the likes of Glenn Beck!
goofsmom 04.30.09 at 9:14 pm
Hi ((((BillieJo))))
MKfromLA 04.30.09 at 9:17 pm
Zee
I am glad to see you! Missed you!
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 9:18 pm
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:12 pm
#79 Dances…exactly.
And Dems don’t take too kindly to nonstop frothing about “democraps”
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But I asked NOP to clarify to whom she was referring when she uses that term, and she explained:
“60 DanceswithPumas: Those who lead the usuped party in Congress and those who follow their lead..That pretty much sums it up… A new Democrap would be Arlen Specter whom I have just learned was a Democrat many years ago and changed to be a Republican based on wanting to run in a local election.”
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:18 pm
#93 freddie…
good idea. Geraldine is an excellent example. But we’ll go nowhere with the likes of Glenn Beck, so we need to call out that entire rightwing agenda who has anything positive to say about the likes of him.
No one here is talking to themselves, BillieJo. Which is exactly why we need to dump the rightwing agenda. I mean, how pathetic are they these days?
They even pile on their only route to future viability, such as Meghan McCain, who has far more of a clue than they will ever know!
MKfromLA 04.30.09 at 9:19 pm
to whom it may concern,
just a reminder – not all Dems voted for BO. (I didn’t)
not enough Repubs voted for McCain
onward
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 9:20 pm
goofsmom
Thanks for the links. There are two elementary schools closed about 40 minute drive from my home, when the swine hits the University where I work, I will have to go underground. Normal flu goes though that place like lightening, thank God it is almost summer time where there are less students, but then again, the high school kids take summer classes there and maybe that is worse.
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:20 pm
Dances, sorry…NOP is not one of the worst offenders, but there are those who nonstop spew on and on about “democraps” and never have a word about repukes. Get real.
I had to laugh when they skulked under a rock during the entire last thread because the REPUKES are a-ok with hate crimes against gays.
DeadGirl 04.30.09 at 9:21 pm
Stevie Nicks – Running through the garden…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRC_ajBfqK8
“Running Through The Garden”
Until she herself
Became the deadliest poison
As she grew older
Ooh, until she herself
Became just as fatal
As was her garden
And so you run toward
What you know is wrong
There are too many flowers
To cut down
With all the love I have for your life
For the love I have for your life
Turn around…
Never did I mean to (never did I mean to)
Imprison you (imprison you)
Here in my garden (here in my garden)
Like I am imprisoned (like I am imprisoned)
All the love I have for your life
All the love I have for your life
Turn around (turn around)
Until she herself
Understood her garden
Leaving her heart broken,
No future at all
Until she herself
Became the toxic garden
Always frightened,
No future at all
And so you run towards
What you know is wrong
There are too many flowers
To cut down
With all the love I have for your life
With all the love I have for your life
Turn around…
Never did I mean to (never did I mean to)
Imprison you (imprison you)
Here in my garden (here in my garden)
Like I am imprisoned (like I am imprisoned)
All the love I have for your life
All the love I have for your life
Turn around (turn around)
So you run towards
What you know is wrong
But there are too many flowers
To cut down
With all the love I have for your life
With all the love I have for your life
Turn around…
Running through the garden,
I’m running in brilliant colors
I’m running straight toward, straight toward
What you know is really wrong
Too many flowers here to cut down
For the love I have for your life
Turn around
For the love I have (for the love I have)
For the love I have (for the love I have)
Turn around…
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:24 pm
#41 and #55 dances….
whew…glad to hear about the post-surgery success!
And, wow…the wedding was awesome. My friend got married in the National Cathedral wearing her great-great grandmother’s dress!!!!
murphy 04.30.09 at 9:25 pm
stop fucking talking about each other and talk about the fucking issues.
jesus fucking christ.
jackass posted,
take it upstairs.
jenniforhillary 04.30.09 at 9:25 pm
For the record, what zee is doing is exactly what murphy/dances/others have asked her not to do.
She is attacking pumas personally for stating an opinion.
and, for the record, those who do not call her on it are condoning it. period.
and if pointing out that fox had more positive coverage of HRC than CNN or MSNBC or ABC or CBS or any other news source put together upsets Zee, than she needs to fucking get over herself because it is the truth. And stating this does not make me a repuke, it just makes me correct.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 9:25 pm
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:20 pm
Dances, sorry…NOP is not one of the worst offenders, but there are those who nonstop spew on and on about “democraps” and never have a word about repukes. Get real.
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The Dems are in charge now… that could be the reason the Dems are being targeted more than the Republicans.
Trust me… no one here wants me to get real.
murphy 04.30.09 at 9:26 pm
and if you cant stop sniping at each other I’ll turn the god damned comments off.
jesus fucking christ.
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:26 pm
MK….thanks! Glad to be back.
And yeah…Repukes voted for Zero and also voted elsewhere because they had issues with either McCain and/or Palin.
goofsmom 04.30.09 at 9:32 pm
BillieJo,
You’re welcome… I just checked my local paper and we have very few schools closed in my county… Boxer’s site seems very up to date. Newpaper says 16 possible cases and her’s has 17, so I’m going to hang onto that link.
Zee 04.30.09 at 9:34 pm
Yes, I do, Dances. I’m not skeert!
And Murphy! Hey! Sorry I missed the rest of the California reports….hope they were swell!
But, please. Don’t let the lightweights with an agenda badger you with faux email whining.
Laughing that the rightwingers laid low the last thread is NOT attacking particular “PUMAs.” I laughed at a CONCEPT….that the RIGHTWINGERS couldn’t whine about “democraps” in the last thread because it was the repukes who not only abstained from defending gays from haters but who also claimed that hate murders were a “hoax” (!!!!!! TYPICAL VILE REPUKES)!
That is no different from your entire thread premise…in which you stated the same outright.
If those with the rightwing agenda shrieked and whined and outed themselves and then emailed you claiming that *I* had attacked individual….”PUMAS”….heh. Go back and see for yourself.
I named no one.
Too funny.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 10:23 pm
111Zee: “not one of the worst offenders” of whom? of what?
I will use whatever term I choose. to describe and define whatever I see fit to describe and define…as often and as frequently as I see fit. You are not My Mother Superior and this is not a frickin nunnery. I have taken no vows to adhere to and if you wish to continue to purge all that does not mirror your mindset or point of view then you will have a long haul here with me and the rest of the non frickin nuns!
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 11:57 pm
Good night.
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