Yesterday the House passed H.R. 1913, a renewal of the Hate Crime Bill, 234-190. Not one Republican voted in favor. In fact, Rep. Virginia Foxx of North Carolina said it was a “hoax” that Matthew Shepherd was killed because he was gay. Of interest is that this version of the bill greatly expands the coverage of WHO is protected by the legislation.
“(A) IN GENERAL- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, in any circumstance described in subparagraph (B), willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person– ”
That means women are now covered by hate crime legislation. Or we will be once the bill passes the Senate, where it is being shepherded by Ted Kennedy and Olympia Snowe. This is very good news.
Danceswithpumas linked to THIS article by Nicholas Kristof in the New York Times where he writes about the travesty of indifference regarding rape evidence:
“. . . a 43-year-old legal secretary who was raped repeatedly in her home in Los Angeles as her son slept in another room. The attacker forced the woman to clean herself in an attempt to destroy the evidence.
Tim Marcia, the detective on the case, thought this meant that the perpetrator was a habitual offender who would strike again. Mr. Marcia rushed the rape kit to the crime lab but was told to expect a delay of more than one year.
So Mr. Marcia personally drove the kit 350 miles to deliver it to the state lab in Sacramento. Even there, the backlog resulted in a four-month delay — but then it produced a “cold hit,” a match in a database of the DNA of previous offenders.
Yet in the months while the rape kit sat on a shelf, the suspect had allegedly struck twice more. Police said he broke into the homes of a pregnant woman and a 17-year-old girl, sexually assaulting each of them.”
So, if prosecutors and local law enforcement can’t be bothered to process physical evidence that would stop repeat rapists in their tracks, will they be bothered to try to add additional Hate Crime penalties in their charges against the rapists they DO catch? Seems to me that rape “causes bodily injury to a person because of the actual or perceived gender” of the victim. But that may be too radical for some to comprehend.
By the way, did you know you can read the summary, full text, amendments, and debate schedule for ALL bills before Congress at several locations on the web? Yep — you can and you should.
- Thomas is a site run by the Library of Congress (named in honor of the spirit of Thomas Jefferson). Everything you want to know about Congress, including daily schedules, is right HERE.
- Open Congress is another excellent site. You can sign up for email updates and alerts. They even have a blog!
- The Green Papers collects information about laws, elections, polls, and every other political thing under the sun. Completely non-partisan.
- And Open Secrets is worth its weight in gold. They keep track of EVERY SINGLE campaign donation and dollar raised by candidates, elected officials, and political action committees. They present data by industry, by state, by donor, by party — every which way. You can look up who the richest members of Congress are and which industries donated the most soft and hard money to campaigns.
I warn you though — browsing through these sites can become addictive!
Chrysler is filing for bankruptcy, which we’ve been expecting since yesterday. The bond holders and other mega-millionaires won their game of chicken with Timmy and called the government’s bluff. Seems they’d rather let tens of thousands of American auto workers lose their jobs than agree to taking less money from the company.
And on top of that, 631,000 more Americans lost their jobs last week.
Apparently TOTUS gave a speech or a press conference or something last night.
Righteous Gary and Pat Johnson have the best take I’ve read so far on the Specter Spectacle.
And because there’s only so much bad news that is decent to consume without some good news to leaven it, read THIS by Annabelle. Glimmers of hope.
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murphy 04.30.09 at 10:00 am
just read this over at Calculated Risk in comments:
It’s long so scroll by if you’re not interested in economic stuff but I love this guy’s rant:
“yesterday, after repeatedly hearing everywhere the trumpeting that “expectations are beaten”, i went on a hunt for these earnings.
well, there really is no PE on the S&P 500 because the earnings are negative.
NEGATIVE.
With 92% of all S&P 500 companies reporting, the earnings are a -$11.82 according to Standard & Poor’s.
when you see the green “applause” sign begin clapping and continue until the green light goes off.
1.75 trillion dollars yesterday created to buy the fumes of our particleboard excesses.
again, AGAIN, the crooks blew enough money for every boomer in the country to go to the doctor, get their teeth fixed, get hair transplants, and get boob jobs. enough for every child to truly have a laptop and a maid. someone yesterday said it is enough to pay everyone’s mortgage for three years. hell, it is probably enough money to send all our pets into space. there are other choices!!!!!!!!
barf, just barf.
unemployment is still rising.
all the fake news is going to undermine what little credibility the media and the government have left. it is irresponsible and damaging for our media and our government to continue hiding from reality!
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are our memories really that short?
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don’t buy the feel good story. it will be bad for you.
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Bank CRE portfolios are ½ junk rated
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/04/corporate-credit-union-portfolio-from.html
CRE loans are selling for 40-50% off.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FM71j6-VkNE/SdjfDyJ626I/AAAAAAAABsg/SahJFDDOPWs/s1600-h/FDIC+Commercial+Loan+Sales.jpg
Massive wave of delayed foreclosures beginning.
http://www.fieldcheckgroup.com/2009/04/07/4-7-ca-foreclosures-about-to-soar/
Time (partners with CNN) says the banking crisis is over (contrary indicator).
Bullshit is widely called on Time. Maybe no better than here:
http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/04/imminent-disinformation-schism.html
Federal tax receipts off 28% YOY as budget deficit explodes.
“During the first five months of fiscal 2009, which began Oct. 1, the country’s deficit swelled to a record $764.5 billion for the period, compared with a $265 billion shortfall during the same period a year earlier. “
“Corporate tax receipts totaled $52.8 billion through February, down from $96.9 billion in the first five months of fiscal 2008, the Treasury said. Individual income tax collections were down 13 percent so far this fiscal year, totaling $388.5 billion through February compared with $446.9 billion in the year-earlier period.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a4wdOOqUkWQ8
U.S. February Budget Deficit Widened as Revenue Fell (Update1) – Bloomberg.com
Russell 2000 has a 35 (ahem, 40) twelve month trailing PE.
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3021-peyield.html
stress tests a stall tactic.
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/225897/Geithners-Stress-Test-%22A-Complete-Sham,%22-Former-Federal-Bank-Regulator-Says
NO big money bought the WFC Easter rally. None. $680 million flowed out of JPM, BAC, and GS on that Thursday. This trend continues. the insiders are NOT buying.
http://content.screencast.com/users/Triptico/folders/Default/media/3e798575-cf9b-4705-8f59-8e7d0d12fe59/Picture%202.png
U-6 unemployment change rate still accelerating into J curve. 600,000+ first time unemployment claims per week.
http://energyecon.blogspot.com/2009/04/u-6-year-over-year-changes-continued.html
Treasury has to roll over $1.4 T in debt between April and June.
http://energyecon.blogspot.com/2009/04/treasury-marketable-debt-maturity-redux.html
Budget deficit for 2009 currently estimated at $1.5T (see above blooomberg link).
Fed purchasing Treasuries on the open market, blatantly monetizing debt.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEFIWsIe24eA&refer=worldwide
Trade deficit drops sharply to nine tear low showing the US consumer is truly tapped out.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ao3vrz3IKvc8
Half of nation’s hospitals running losses
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hospitals2-2009mar02,0,3182541.story
G-7 Industrial Production Crashing
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2009/04/g7-industrial-production-crashing.html
State budget deficits?
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=711
Did I miss something? Like CDS time bombs, insurance companies Tarped, unfunded pensions, interest rate swaps, berkshire downgraded, …
when you see the green “applause” sign start clapping and continue until the light goes off.”
– otishertz
antifish 04.30.09 at 10:15 am
Watch Rep. Virginia Foxx spread her right-wingnut propaganda! Sadly, it seems Judy Shepard, Matthew’s mother, was in the gallery when Foxx spewed her hate-speech and had to hear that her son’s death was a “hoax”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWm2zGTZBM0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2009%2F04%2F29%2Fvirginia-foxx-story-of-ma_n_192971.html&feature=player_embedded
admin 04.30.09 at 10:21 am
Hi antifish!
this is TOTALLY off topic
but did you hear that my conservative granite state neighbor New Hampshire recently legalized medical marijuana?
http://www.eagletribune.com/punewsnh/local_story_120005859.html?keyword=topstory
also gay marriage.
Republican Party — wake up! Hateful bigots like Virginia Foxx are relics of a time that is already gone by.
antifish 04.30.09 at 10:25 am
Good morning, Murphy!!
New Hampshire, huh? Hmmm… will have to learn more.
Seriously, I often think I’d be much happier if I left the South! Gotta help my son through college first though.
antifish 04.30.09 at 10:33 am
Fox reporting: Swine flu in two more states Minnesota and Nebraska.
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 10:41 am
For a laugh… received this in an e-mail this am
FROM THE FIRST BOOK OF DEMOCRAT
PSALM 20O8-2012
OBAMA IS MY SHEPHERD,
I SHALL NOT WANT.
HE LEADETH ME BESIDE THE STILL FACTORIES.
HE RESTORETH MY FAITH IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
HE GUIDETH ME IN THE PATH OF UNEMPLOYMENT.
YEA, THOUGH I WALK THRU THE VALLEY OF THE BREAD LINE,
I SHALL NOT GO HUNGRY.
OBAMA HAS ANOINTED MY INCOME WITH TAXES.
MY EXPENSES RUNNETH OVER MY INCOME.
SURELY POVERTY AND HARD LIVING
WILL FOLLOW ME ALL THE DAYS OF HIS TERM.
FROM HENCE FORTH WE WILL LIVE
ALL THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES IN A RENTED HOME
WITH AN OVERSEAS LANDLORD.
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BUT I AM GLAD I AM AN AMERICAN,
I AM GLAD THAT I AM FREE.
BUT I WISH I WAS A DOG AND OBAMA WAS A TREE.
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“Americans grew tired of being thought to be dumb by the rest of the world, so they went to the polls and removed all doubt.”
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 10:42 am
Murphy: I was not here last night obviously or you would have heard from me re the discussion and have just gotten here and have not reviewed all of that..but I do want to Thank you for posting the video of Buffy…for me and Delle.
1966..I was 20…and she was maybe that as well? In any case..as her biography on her website indicates..she has continued to expand her attention…One human..One woman…
Now is not then…in this country..It is far worse…yet her lyrics to this song..seem still so familiar..and relevant.
My point? No one is pure in this world and for that reason each to each her own reflection to clean up personal spiritual and intellectual “viruses” …each to each inside reflection…to choose what and how to speak and ACT…but ACT we must and not simply on this Internet…
simofish 04.30.09 at 10:44 am
I am avoiding work this morning – big time.
My question is this. Why the fuck do we even have to have a HATE crime bill? Aren’t most crimes done out of some kind of hatred? I guess this is one step towards changing attitudes.
I remember a woman in WVA or VA being kidnapped, raped, etc (she was black – the guys white) and they didn’t charge them with a hate crime because it would have given them less time.
Delle 04.30.09 at 10:44 am
Murphy – downstairs
‘I was going to post that one Delle — but wanted to post your recommendation first! yep — that’s a tear jerker — I believe she is singing with Pete Seeger in that video right?’
Thank you so much.
Yes, Buffy is singing with Pete Seeger. He is good; been writing since the 30′s I believe.
Don’t let me get started on that period of folk/protest music because I could go on forever.
Let me say that I also enjoyed Joan Baez, Tom Paxton, Dylan and especially Phil Ochs.
Phil Ochs was a troubled man. Once the protest music began fading from popularity, he changed his name, attempted to make a new start, eventually committed suicide.
We should, however, enjoy his music and listen to his words. They are an important comment about our society at that time.
Delle
persephone 04.30.09 at 10:48 am
murphy
OT, sorry-I am searching for a link you posted re: homeowner refinancing-can you point me in the right direction? thanks!
antifish 04.30.09 at 10:49 am
wontbackdown, that’s funny, in a sad way…
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 10:53 am
6wontbackdown: How funny ..How true.. how wonderfully humor can reveal through the imagination that which so called rational discourse too often cannot.
persephone 04.30.09 at 10:57 am
New Orleans…
I just read the thread from last night.
Seemed to me that some were expressing legitimate concerns about people being bullied and driven away from PUMApac for having unpopular or different opinions. I share this concern.
Some commenters responded by said things like “take a bubble bath” or “take a chill pill.”
Very dismissive and unhelpful IMO.
antifish 04.30.09 at 10:59 am
simofish 04.30.09 at 10:44 am
My question is this. Why the fuck do we even have to have a HATE crime bill?
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To increase the penalties for crimes such as Matthew Shepard’s murder that target certain individuals.
In this case, the girlfriends of the two men who killed Shepard testified that both of them said they were going to “get a gay guy” earlier on the evening of the attack.
It is one thing to hate a group, but quite another to hunt down individuals in that group on which to take out ones sadistic revenge.
antifish 04.30.09 at 11:00 am
Oh, and good morning, Cousin fish!!!
antifish 04.30.09 at 11:05 am
Now, swine flu in GA! Yikes!
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:08 am
anti and simo related, i knew it!
simofish 04.30.09 at 11:10 am
Good morning cousin fish — good morning everyone.
Well, in Matthew Shepherd’s case I applaud the Judge for not letting the defense come up with some “twinkie” defense. The death penalty was on the table and Mrs. Shepherd pleaded her statement for the murders to get life in prison with no parole.
All I am saying — I can’t wait for the day where everyone is treated equally. The evidence / facts are looked at. The day you don’t have to have laws to protect everyone. The Constitution should already do that.
Like Affirmative Action — I think it was a good thing back in it’s day. It accomplished a lot. I think now we can set it aside. I look around me at work and I see plenty of women / people of color. Do we really still need it? I have no hard evidence. Just my observations.
So – maybe we need the Hate Crime Bill. Sometimes I can argue both sides of a case – drives me crazy.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 11:11 am
Swine Flu quarantines scores of Marines at Camp Pendleton, CA, and 29 Palms.
antifish 04.30.09 at 11:14 am
Ha ha, let the games begin….
Dems to Specter: Don’t cut in line
By MANU RAJU | 4/30/09 4:03 AM EDT
Here comes the hangover.
Just a day after celebrating Arlen Specter’s defection from the GOP, Democrats on the Senate Appropriations Committee Wednesday were bracing for a war with both their newest colleague and their majority leader.
In the course of courting Specter, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid promised the Pennsylvania Republican that he’d retain his seniority if he switched to the Democratic Party. According to Senate customs, that would let Specter — with 29 years in the Senate — leapfrog most of the Democrats on the Appropriations Committee.
The response from Appropriations Committee member Tom Harkin (D-Iowa): Over my dead body.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21909.html
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:15 am
#19
they’re going to experiment on the poor bastards with vaccines like they did in the seventies..
http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html
simofish 04.30.09 at 11:15 am
The 2009 flu outbreak in humans that is widely known as “swine flu” technically is not swine flu. It is due to a new strain of influenza A virus subtype H1N1 that derives from one strain of human influenza, one strain of avian influenza, and two separate strains of swine influenza. The origins of this new strain are unknown, and the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) reports that this strain has not been isolated in swine.[3] It passes with apparent ease from human to human, an ability attributed to an as-yet unidentified mutation.[4] The strain in most cases causes only mild symptoms and the infected person makes a full recovery without requiring medical attention and without the use of antiviral medicines.[5]
antifish 04.30.09 at 11:18 am
Simo, I agree. It’s a shame that we need such a bill, but the times are what they are. I also agree that Affirmative Action has outlived its usefulness, as I’m sure, the Hate Crimes bill someday will.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 11:19 am
13pesephone: I see that. I agree with you.
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 11:24 am
Biden says avoid planes, subways; puts out clarifying statement
Amie Parnes, Carol E. Lee Amie Parnes, Carol E. Lee – 2 hrs 13 mins ago
“Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday that he would not recommend taking any commercial flight or riding in a subway car “at this point” because swine flu virus can spread “in confined places.” A little more than one hour later, Biden rushed out a statement backing off.
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…That contradicted more restrained advice from President Barack Obama and the federal government — and the last thing the White House wants to do right now is shut down the airline industry and big-city subways out of mass panic.
…The White House quickly arranged for Biden to make this statement through a spokesperson.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/21925
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I hate to be UN-AMERICAN… but
I would like to say to this Administration and the entire propagandist media that supports it:
“I REALLY DON’T GIVE A SH!T ABOUT THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY’S BUSINESS AND I AM PERSONALLY TIRED MY ENTIRE LIFE’S FOCUS BEING ON THE GOVERNMENTS’, POLITICIANS’ AND BIG BUSINESS’ INTERESTS…
GET A CLUE THAT THE PEOPLE DO MATTER… TO THE PEOPLE
Thank you, Joe Biden… for caring about our interests – as you would your own family – until the un-average American propagandist machine promptly shut you down!”
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 11:27 am
Thank you, Joe Biden… for caring about our interests – as you would your own family – until the un-average American propagandist machine promptly shut you down!”
…and us… WE, the PEOPLE, OUT of the equation of protecting “america’s” interest”
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 11:29 am
Have a good day… or whatever.
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:30 am
I’m not going to panic because Biden says I should.
He was probably hammered when he made those comments.
It’s hard to know what to make of the flu scare.
Lots of conflicting info out there.
Americans aren’t told to limit air travel during *regular normal* flu season
and if the severity of this particular virus isn’t any worse than what we usually see then why panic?
Airplanes are germ incubators year round.
Is there something the feds aren’t telling us?
Deb55 04.30.09 at 11:31 am
OK..Does everyone have a cup of coffee..put it down..
We have BIG PROBLEMS!! What the Gov’t ISN’T telling us is NOT good.
They already know what is coming???
Just got these emailed over to me by my daughter-in-law, who is a Pharmacist. She started doing some digging as she is having a problem getting a hold of Tamiflu, and started making some phone calls.
Not to SCARE anyone, just to inform..that is the only way we will get the truth. Already knew of this a year ago, H1N1???
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?
ACCT=pharmabio.story&STORY=/www/story/04-27-2009/0005013360&EDATE=MON+Apr+27+2009,+08:33+AM
Deb55 04.30.09 at 11:34 am
Dam.. Want let me link over…this must be protected..will call her back..to find out how to link!
More that the Gov’t doesn’t want us the people to KNOW??
antifish 04.30.09 at 11:35 am
Deb, the link doesn’t work.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 11:36 am
28pesephone: I would expect ..Yes…what they know and what they don’t know. Moreover..with no Surgeon General in place et al..
and with Homeland Security Janet Napolitano apparently functioning as an “inermediary” as a result…whatever they know or do not know is being deflected …and I hear these little voices telling me…”Brownie…you’re doing a great job!”
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:37 am
deb55 is the article on this list?
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/ind_display2.pl?Account=IDC&Template=hea_ind.html
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 11:37 am
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:30 am
I’m not going to panic because Biden says I should.
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Biden didn’t tell ANYONE “to panic”
He basically said: ‘take care of yourself… whether it hurts ‘profits’ or not.
That’s what I thought was refreshing… however brief… coming out of that fluck-the-people administration.
… that was my point.
murphy 04.30.09 at 11:38 am
same here simo #18.
I’m pleased because I think we have to completely change the parameters of the discussion when talking about sexism in this country.
it’s okay to say “bitch” on radio/tv but not “kike” or “chink”
we need to think differently– these sorts of laws can affect the national discourse I think.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 11:41 am
#29 link:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=pharmabio.story&STORY=/www/story/04-27-2009/0005013360&EDATE=MON+Apr+27+2009,+08:33+AM
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:42 am
I hear you, wontbackdown..I really do wonder if Joe said more than he was supposed to…wouldn’t be the first time..
antifish 04.30.09 at 11:42 am
OK, I defended Miss California’s right to her opinion, but now, she’s in an ad against same-sex marriage?
Miss California stars in ad opposing same-sex marriage
The anti-same-sex marriage National Organization for Marriage is trying to turn the tables on gay rights activists this morning with a new ad accusing them of attacking Miss USA contestant Carrie Prejean for opposing gay marriage.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/Miss_California_stars_in_ad_opposing_samesex_marraige.html?showall
scarlet 04.30.09 at 11:44 am
Create-your-own NYC Air Force One flyover photo … we did
Memo to the White House: Not only was flying a Presidential jet for a photo-op Monday over downtown Manhattan in bad taste – it was unnecessary.
Anyone in the White House ever hear of Photoshop?
http://www.nydailynews.com/tech_guide/2009/04/29/2009-04-29_createyourown_nyc_air_force_one_flyover_photo__we_did.html
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:44 am
oohhh Carrie…
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 11:45 am
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:42 am :
of course he did… that’s why they rushed him back out through a spokesperson in less than an hour to “clarify” his statements… so, as to not “hurt the airline industry”
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:45 am
good work dances
scarlet 04.30.09 at 11:47 am
Former Barney Frank staffer now top Goldman Sachs lobbyist
Goldman Sachs’ new top lobbyist was recently the top staffer to Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., on the House Financial Services Committee chaired by Frank. Michael Paese, a registered lobbyist for the Securities Industries and Financial Markets Association since he left Frank’s committee in September, will join Goldman as director of government affairs, a role held last year by former Tom Daschle intimate, Mark Patterson, now the chief of staff at the Treasury Department.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Former-Barney-Frank-staffer-now-top-Goldman-Sachs-lobbyist-43914907.html
antifish 04.30.09 at 11:48 am
#36 Thanks, Dances.
Wow! They knew this virus was replicating at an extraordinary rate over a year ago?
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:49 am
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 11:45 am
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:42 am :
of course he did… that’s why they rushed him back out through a spokesperson in less than an hour to “clarify” his statements… so, as to not “hurt the airline industry”
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say it aint so, joe!
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 11:53 am
persephone 04.30.09 at 11:49 am
say it aint so, joe!
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YEAH!!! LOLLOL!!! GOOD ONE !!!
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 11:54 am
ALERT ALERT…TO Bafluke and Janet Napolitano..intermediary Surgeon General…
Now is the time to show your flexibility and imagination..Now is the time to imagine how to integrate government functions:
Put out a Directive: Here is my suggestion..
“As a precaution and in an effort to err on the side of containment and “preventive” disease principles..we are making the following changes to our previous terroist protocols ridiculously in place since George:
The protocol to REMOVE ALL SHOES in the airport as you wait for us to throw away your hand creme etc..is now TEMPORARILY RESCINDED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE…
Moreover if any of you previously cited for assessment in our recent directive regarding those Americans who may pose a threat to the country HAVE OR HAD IN MIND a Proposed threat attack we ask you please..could you wait a little while? We are having enough trouble finding tissues to wipe our own snotty noses…
right now…and regarding those shoes: Now is definitely NOT THE TIME FOR AMERICANS TO RUN OR STAND AROUND BAREFOOT OR IN SOCK FEET ON THE FLOOR OF THE AIRPORT..UUUUUHHHHHHHHHH..so many germs to collect and put back in your shoes!
FLBarbara 04.30.09 at 11:55 am
Mayor Bloomberg of NYC just spent almost an hour news conference counter acting the Joe Biden do not ride the subways and trains etc.which will greatly effect NYs already declining economy.
Between last weeks photo-op fiasco and todays Biden warning the mayor is more than pissed with Washington.
antifish 04.30.09 at 11:58 am
I’ve always liked RFK, Jr.
RFK Jr. endorses Gillibrand
By BEN SMITH | 4/29/09 4:42 AM EDT
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — a key supporter for a senator whose problems are on her left and who some thought would draw formidable Kennedy enemies — has given a big endorsement to Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand.
“Kirsten has always been an environmental champion,” Kennedy said in an e-mail endorsement. “She has long been a leading supporter of producing renewable energy and creating ‘green jobs’ to service the industry. If we’re going to finally get serious about climate change and about rebuilding this country, we need Kirsten to keep her spot on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee.”
Gillibrand, who replaced Sen. Hillary Clinton when Clinton was confirmed as secretary of state, faces potential challenges in the 2010 Democratic primary from New York Reps. Steve Israel and Carolyn Maloney.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21848.html
persephone 04.30.09 at 12:06 pm
NOP
After security I take the Purell wipe out of my pocket
remove socks and discard them
put shoes back on
sanitize hands
am i a germophobe?
please don’t touch me
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 12:07 pm
Got a go… I’m beat.
Had a dream last night that tiger woods ‘came back to life’ clearly still appearing as if he was dead… weirdest dream I think I’ve ever had.
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FLBarbara 04.30.09 at 11:55 am
“Mayor Bloomberg of NYC just spent almost an hour news conference”
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It’s their own damned faults… they have used the news to propagandize us in whatever direction they deem in the best interests of “business”…
… we all live and die by and for big business interests…
… yet we cannot get a voice in the “news” to change one thing… what a life.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 12:09 pm
antifish 04.30.09 at 11:48 am
#36 Thanks, Dances.
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I only repaired the link Deb posted in comment #29
Deb55 04.30.09 at 11:31 am
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 12:11 pm
Just ate some pork sausage..so far I am feeling no inclination to “oink.
persephone 04.30.09 at 12:11 pm
If I don’t want to read about Elizabeth Edwards puking does that make me a bad person?
Because I confess that I really don’t give a shit.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 12:12 pm
persephone #50
Why don’t they hand out disposable tyvek booties, or something?
persephone 04.30.09 at 12:12 pm
Thank you HRC for not telling us how you puked when Bill cheated. Thank you.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 12:14 pm
54persephone: Your need to continue the now almost completely erased boundries in this culture between the “private” and “public” world..clearly will push you to the top of Janet’s directives: You …are clearly…a reactionary to be assessed!
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 12:14 pm
persephone 04.30.09 at 12:11 pm
If I don’t want to read about Elizabeth Edwards puking does that make me a bad person? Because I confess that I really don’t give a shit.
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Nope. I can’t stand that she blamed Hunter either…
John doesn’t share in the responsibility of upholding his vows… what’s up with that??
persephone 04.30.09 at 12:15 pm
dances they do in some airports. not logan. cheap bastids.
so i continue to chuck my cheap socks.
once I watched a couple of TSA people practically strip search an elderly woman who didn’t want to take off her slippers.
dont tech me!
persephone 04.30.09 at 12:16 pm
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 12:14 pm
54persephone: Your need to continue the now almost completely erased boundries in this culture between the “private” and “public” world..clearly will push you to the top of Janet’s directives: You …are clearly…a reactionary to be assessed!
NOP they’ve got me in their sights already, I say bring it on.
As long as they don’t take my Tamiflu away.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 12:18 pm
persephone 04.30.09 at 12:15 pm
dances they do in some airports. not logan. cheap bastids.
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They don’t at LAX or San Diego, either.
I guess, if I was a frequent flyer, I would buy a box at an industrial supply or medical supply place.
persephone 04.30.09 at 12:20 pm
#61 question is, would you be allowed to wear them?
you’re at the whim of the screeners
after I watched them practically turn that old lady upside-down nothing surprises me..
scarlet 04.30.09 at 12:20 pm
Donkey ‘suicide’ bombing is latest tactic against patrols
A senior British Army officer and six other military personnel survived attack when a tethered donkey laden with explosives was detonated as their armoured vehicle passed in southern Afghanistan.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6194874.ece
scarlet 04.30.09 at 12:21 pm
Surveillance Effort Draws Civil Liberties Concern
LOS ANGELES — A growing number of big-city police departments and other law enforcement agencies across the country are embracing a new system to report suspicious activities that officials say could uncover terrorism plots but that civil liberties groups contend might violate individual rights.
Here and in nearly a dozen other cities, including Boston, Chicago and Miami, officers are filling out terror tip sheets if they run across activities in their routines that seem out of place, like someone buying police or firefighter uniforms, taking pictures of a power plant or espousing extremist views.
Ultimately, state and federal officials intend to have a nationwide reporting system in place by 2014, using a standardized system of codes for suspicious behaviors. It is the most ambitious effort since the Sept. 11 attacks to put in place a network of databases to comb for clues that might foretell acts of terrorism.
Just Taking Pictures? Tell It to the Judge
But the American Civil Liberties Union and other rights groups warn that the program pioneered by the Los Angeles Police Department raises serious privacy and civil liberties concerns.
“The behaviors identified by L.A.P.D. are so commonplace and ordinary that the monitoring or reporting of them is scarcely any less absurd,” the A.C.L.U. said in a report last July.
“This overbroad reporting authority,” the report adds, “gives law enforcement officers justification to harass practically anyone they choose, to collect personal information and to pass such information along to the intelligence community.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/us/29surveil.html?_r=1&ref=us
persephone 04.30.09 at 12:22 pm
have a great day, Puma’s-and remember to hug a Republican today.
If the shit hits the fan they’ve got guns
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 12:23 pm
Dances and persephone: My post regading my alert was intened to satirize and reject the very act of having Americans do this in a frazzlin airport while at the same time not investigating containers of ships or anyother methods.
Having traveled back and forth a few times to Houston by plane after Katrina and having not witnessed this before..I was immediately struck how sad to see American citizens swallowing this act as a measure…while so much that would make a difference was not done…
They can keep their sockies and given that our airspace is still open to planes in and out of Mexico they can keep their comments about the flu…Joeboy makes a “gaffe” (blurting out the truth)
and everything stays the same…
..You’re doing a great job Brownie…just wish humans were as trainable as Arabian Stallions..”
Oh..I forgot ..they are!
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 12:23 pm
BTW… My father contracted a deadly staff in an operating room.
Get the picture???
Why do we spend billions on sanitizing products?
stoney42 04.30.09 at 12:26 pm
testing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3x5hIFXYU
stoney42 04.30.09 at 12:30 pm
You tube no longer available.
It was sent to me via e-mail from a friend. It was about the growth of the Muslim population. I thought it was interesting, but.
scarlet 04.30.09 at 12:34 pm
The Iraq We Leave Behind
by Kelley B. Vlahos, April 30, 2009
For years, a majority of Iraqis have just wanted the Americans to leave.
As of June 30, urban Iraqis will likely get their wish. But let’s step back for a moment and think about why some Iraqis, particularly in the Sunni areas, may be having second thoughts, and why others, their lives blistered over with varying degrees of dismal circumstances, are too depleted to engage in the hearty sendoff they’ve always dreamed of.
more at:
http://original.antiwar.com/vlahos/2009/04/29/the-iraq-we-leave-behind/
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Nothing will improve in Iraq whether we are there or not, IMO.
antifish 04.30.09 at 12:47 pm
persephone 04.30.09 at 12:22 pm
have a great day, Puma’s-and remember to hug a Republican today.
If the shit hits the fan they’ve got guns
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Not necessary. I’ve got a couple myself.
simofish 04.30.09 at 12:48 pm
Antifish – #38
I think we expected this didn’t we? I also defended her right to tell her own truth. We have a lot of work to do. I even wrote P.Hilton and told him what an idiot he is. It was an interesting exchange.
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 12:49 pm
WHO to stop using term ‘swine flu’ to protect pigs
GENEVA – The World Health Organization says it will would stop using the term “swine flu” to avoid confusion over the danger posed by pigs.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/un_who_swine_flu;_ylt=AhauBuiUNjAuBZOvwYYfAfWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJpMGgzbDBvBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNDMwL3VuX3dob19zd2luZV9mbHUEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwMxNARzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawN3aG90b3N0b3B1c2k-
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WOW! If only Women had the clout of pigs – the ERA would be passed by now, no?
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 12:52 pm
73wontbackdown: You’re on a great roll today..wontbackdown…
I’ve missed you of late!
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 12:58 pm
71antifish: One more example of the soundness of my judgement regarding …one step behind you and over to the left..
When I was a girl..my daddy would take me out to the Spillway..a long bridge that at some points cuts over the swamps for miles n the direction of Baton Rouge et aland at that time only a place to be used to disperse Mississippi river water if it got too high (The term “open the Spillway gates)and maybe to go crawfishing…and we would set up beer cans in a trench and then move quite a bit away…and I would shoot the beer cans with a small rifle (22 caliber) I have to say I was good and it was fun.
Now I know that is not a large caliber but I was also good with a bow and arrow. Like a lot of things..I do not think it would take me long to get my “eye” back.
Deb55 04.30.09 at 12:59 pm
Just a little up date of information:
My pharmacist (daughter-in-law), got some phone calls back, and found out some..strange information..It appears that they know that Tamiful (oseltamivir), is already resistance to H1N1.
Pharm. terms means…Drug resistance is the reduction of a drug in curing a disease or IMPROVING a patients system.
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/mar0209osel.html
But it appears that the drug..RELENZA..has NOT become drug resistant to H1N1..Becky said if we are going to get anything, ASK your Doctor for Relenza..this one is the other one they keep refering too.
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 12:59 pm
Darn, I’m so behind reading the posts……..work is interfering with my blogging!
Anti-
In the course of courting Specter, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid promised the Pennsylvania Republican that he’d retain his seniority if he switched to the Democratic Party. According to Senate customs, that would let Specter — with 29 years in the Senate — leapfrog most of the Democrats on the Appropriations Committee.
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Yup, the pay-to play offers start coming out. O’jackass is also promised (yea, like that means anything) we would stump for Specter in the next election. That could end up being the kiss of death if O continues on his Kool-aid Express, steam train of smoke and mirrors.
Delle 04.30.09 at 1:00 pm
#53 NOP –
I love that.
The bacon I ate yesterday hasn’t begun bothering me either.
Delle
antifish 04.30.09 at 1:00 pm
Yes, Cousin fish, Perez did us no favors trying to use that pageant to advance his personal agenda. His reaction to the answer he got was even more damaging.
Thanks for calling him out on his idiocy.
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 1:02 pm
Was it FLBarbara that mentioned the brown shirt army going into Mexico City and giving shots to people with fevers, then these people were later found to have the Swine Flu….anyone remember? I am trying to do some research on what happened.
antifish 04.30.09 at 1:04 pm
BillieJo,
Maybe, while he’s campaigning for him, Obama will teach Specter how to mesmerize the adoring press by using a teleprompter to spew plagiarized words.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 1:05 pm
Delle: Poor pigs..first the producers “starve” them to skinny.ness with the result of little fat and I for years continue to try and find some pork chops that taste like anyting except cardboard..bone in Pork roasts ..with not too much trim are the closest I can find to the taste…that healthy or not moves this soul!
antifish 04.30.09 at 1:05 pm
I remember Hill saying, “That’s not change, Barack, that’s xerox you can believe in”. One of my favorite moments of the campaign….
Asian4Hillary 04.30.09 at 1:06 pm
Washington state now has swine flu cases; SEATTLE, SNOHOMISH COUNTY AND SPOKANE.
I’ve just received a phone call this morning, I’m joining 4th of July TEA PARTY, it is NON-PARTISAN, just plain Americans from all walks of life sick and tired of the lies Obama and all Democrats in Congress and Senate are spewing.
Plain accounting principle, you cannot spend your way out of debt. Next year we would be paying $892 BILLIONS in INTEREST ALONE for our deficit. Our deficit is growing $1 BILLION per HOUR, you can do your computation. Think how much revenue the federal government is collecting ANNUALLY from taxpayers and think how much interest we have to pay for those debts. Doesn’t look promising, isn’t it? That is just the INTEREST, principal is NOT included.
antifish 04.30.09 at 1:14 pm
NOP, I’m sure your skills would quickly return. Shooting is like ridingh a bicycle, you never forget how. Besides, if we come to the point of having to form our militia, I will gladly provide classes in Basic Rifle Marksmanship as needed. I was a Drill Sergeant for three of the 24 years I spent in the Army.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 1:14 pm
Were I a poor person in Mexico and I felt sick now I would try to get across the border for help here. I would not blame them. I would do the same thing. But this item of the flu raises for me the same old questions about certain realities re Mexico I have had for years ..What has Mexico done for its people..especially these poor souls..? Invited huge agribusiness and other firms in where they can avoid the few or nonexistenct environmental and health proscriptions on the books here (but rarely enforced over several recent administrations) and in Mexico as in other poorer countries not there? And we..what have we done in our so called trade agreements with Mexico? Improved the standards? Hell no…
While I reject illegal immigration…have no doubt..that were I a poor Mexican I would attempt passage until it worked.
Neither this country nor Mexico has its people ..the everyday ones ..as many here are…as priority and under this no count Fraud that as we know will not change.
scarlet 04.30.09 at 1:14 pm
GOP set to launch rebranding effort
WASHINGTON (CNN) – Coming soon to a battleground state near you: a new effort to revive the image of the Republican Party and to counter President Obama’s characterization of Republicans as “the party of ‘no.’”
CNN has learned that the new initiative, called the National Council for a New America, will be announced Thursday.
It will involve an outreach by an interesting mix of GOP officials, ranging from 2008 Republican presidential nominee John McCain to Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor and the younger brother of the man many Republicans blame for the party’s battered brand: former President George W. Bush.
In addition to Sen. McCain and Gov. Bush, GOP sources familiar with the plans tell CNN others involved in the new group’s “National Panel Of Experts” will include:
*Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, a former national GOP chairman
*Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal
*Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney
“However, this is not a Republican-only forum,” reads the letter announcing the new effort, a copy of which was obtained by CNN from Republican sources involved in the effort. “While we will be guided by our principles of freedom and security, we will seek to include more than just our ideas.
“This forum will include a wide open policy debate that every American can feel free to participate in,” the announcement letter reads.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/29/gop-set-to-launch-rebranding-effort/
Just heard on TV that this old time motley group without ears could not get in touch with Sarah. However, if this group supports term limits, I will join in, but that is not likely to happen. I would join with any group that supports term limits.
Most of these leaders support amnesty. I think most Republicans do not and I don’t think it is likely that any of them will change their minds on this no matter what the “people” who participate in their forums want.
And, any of the congressional leaders who are part of this new group probably would have voted for the $3.4 trillion budget if a Republican was president although zero Republicans voted for it yesterday along with 17 democrats.
FLBarbara 04.30.09 at 1:16 pm
Billiejo
The town in Mexico they say is ground zero is called Gloria Mexico. A 5 year old boy was first victim then the town. According to woman interviewed “the military came in gave them medicine their fevers went away and came back within 2 weeks”
antifish 04.30.09 at 1:17 pm
ridingh? Spellcheck, please!
antifish 04.30.09 at 1:20 pm
The flu that shall not be named is now in 29 states.
GOSUEF4HIL 04.30.09 at 1:21 pm
I am in tears laughing right now! I have never been on the barackteleprompter site, although I have heard about it- it is truly the funniest thing I have seen in a long time-
thank you Murphy for the laugh
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 1:22 pm
Well this sucks……
Thu Apr 30 09:42:26 2009 Pacific Time
Kansas State Researcher Finds That the 1918 Spanish Flu Virus Can Infect Swine and Resulted in Current Lineage of H1N1 Swine Influenza Viruses
MANHATTAN, Kan., April 30 (AScribe Newswire) — In 1918 a human influenza virus known as the Spanish flu spread through the central United States while a swine respiratory disease occurred concurrently. A Kansas State University researcher has found that the virus causing the pandemic was able to infect and replicate in pigs, but did not kill them, unlike in other mammalian hosts like monkeys, mice and ferrets where the infection has been lethal.
more… http://www.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20090430.081007&time=09
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 1:24 pm
FLBarbara 04.30.09 at 1:16 pm
Billiejo
The town in Mexico they say is ground zero is called Gloria Mexico. A 5 year old boy was first victim then the town. According to woman interviewed “the military came in gave them medicine their fevers went away and came back within 2 weeks”
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So glad you saw my post, I am trying to research it and any more info you give me would help. I find things on that little boy and that city, but nothing so far on the military that came in.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 1:25 pm
87scarlet: I see no one in this list capable of rebranding the Republican Party. McCain failed. ..to do so.
I see more of the same brand here.
And not including Sarah Palin is the foremost symbol of this conclusion for me.
Asian4Hillary 04.30.09 at 1:26 pm
Here’s a video ALL OF YOU can watch and see for yourself AND HELP YOU UNDERSTAND how Obama with support of Democratic lead Congress literally put this country in the PAWN shop. Who is next to file for bankcruptcy? Shall we say, USA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hQjGQgfglM
FLBarbara 04.30.09 at 1:27 pm
Billiejo
Gloria Mexico is a small poverty town.The people interviewed blamed their fevers on a “US manufacturing plant in the town”
But never said what type of plant it was, the showed pics of it and it was huge.I will also check this out only have use of BB today and its hard to do on phone.
Will let you know what I find out. Hope this helps in your research.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 1:27 pm
scarlet: On the other hand..maybe Sarah said..No Thanks…Now that Iwould really like to know..was she even asked.. I expect not.
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 1:30 pm
FLBarbara 04.30.09 at 1:27 pm
Billiejo
Gloria Mexico is a small poverty town.The people interviewed blamed their fevers on a “US manufacturing plant in the town”
But never said what type of plant it was, the showed pics of it and it was huge.I will also check this out only have use of BB today and its hard to do on phone.
Will let you know what I find out. Hope this helps in your research.
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A US manuf. plant? What did they think was the connection to the flu?
Did you see this on tv or the internet?
Any more info you find would be greatly appreciated.
I have on my tinfoil hat, don’t worry.
scarlet 04.30.09 at 1:33 pm
President Obama’s news conference averaged 22.02 million viewers across ABC, NBC, CBS and Univision, and a 6.0 rating among adults 18-49. Lie to Me averaged a 2.4/7 (rating/share) with adults 18-49, and 7.88 million viewers. The 100th episode of Lost averaged a 3.9/10 with adults 18-49 and 8.81 million viewers overall.
FOX Lie to Me 2.4/7 2.1/7 7.88
CW America’s Next Top Model 1.8/6 2.1/7 4.00
ABC President Obama Press Conference 1.6/5 1.4/5 6.12
CBS President Obama Press Conference 1.5/5 0.9/3 6.01
NBC President Obama Press Conference 1.6/5 1.1/4 6.68
UNI Conferencia de Prensa: Barack Obama 1.3/4 1.3/4 3.224
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/30/wednesday-ratings-lie-to-me-vs-president-obama-losts-100th-episode/17730
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 1:34 pm
scarlet: This matter also reminds me that it not only people like us but it is as well millions of regular Republicans who also have been dupped for years..and before anyone’s hackles go up…Almost what..8 or 9 million Dems were dupped by Bush..as he ran..and look at those under Reagan as well as Bush’s “paw”
So why remove regular voting middle class republicans from the dupe list? Since Reagan..the scam has been on for quite a while..Snowe from Maine cited the need to consider these people after Specter left. From the looks of the new Council ..looks like Snow has been ignored as well.
The results bode just as seriously for these Americans as for us…It is these I hope
scarlet 04.30.09 at 1:35 pm
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 1:27 pm
scarlet: On the other hand..maybe Sarah said..No Thanks…Now that Iwould really like to know..was she even asked.. I expect not.
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Eric Cantor said they couldn’t get in touch with her. (source: TV – either CNN or Fox)
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 1:35 pm
sorry..these I hope will protest what is going on now …for they too are done in by the current scam.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 1:36 pm
101scarlet: Huh? Right. Alaska is very far away.
Asian4Hillary 04.30.09 at 1:37 pm
*HOW TO EXPLAIN THE STIMULUS BILL*.
Shortly after class, an economics student approaches his economics professor and says, “I don’t understand this stimulus bill. Can you explain it to me?”
The professor replied, “I don’t have any time to explain it at my office, but if you come over to my house on Saturday and help me with my weekend project, I’ll be glad to explain it to you.” The student agreed.
At the agreed-upon time, the student showed up at the professor’s house. The professor stated that the weekend project involved his backyard pool.
They both went out back to the pool, and the professor handed the student a bucket. Demonstrating with his own bucket, the professor said, “First, go over to the deep end, and fill your bucket with as much water as you can.”
The student did as he was instructed. The professor then continued, “Follow me over to the shallow end, and then dump all the water from your bucket into it.” The student was naturally confused, but did as he was told.
The professor then explained they were going to do this many more times, and began walking back to the deep end of the pool.
The confused student asked, “Excuse me, but why are we doing this?”
The professor matter-of-factly stated that he was trying to make the shallow end much deeper.
The student didn’t think the economics professor was serious, but figured that he would find out the real story soon enough.
However, after the 6th trip between the shallow end and the deep end, the student began to become worried that his economics professor had gone mad. The student finally replied, “All we’re doing is wasting valuable time and effort on unproductive pursuits. Even worse, when this process is all over, everything will be at the same level it was before, so all you’ll really have accomplished is the destruction of what could have been truly productive action!”
The professor put down his bucket and replied with a smile, “Congratulations. You now understand the stimulus bill.”
FLBarbara 04.30.09 at 1:39 pm
Billiejo
The woman definitely said “the military came in around April 1 and gave them medicine for their fevers” she did not say how she knew they were military or what military it was, I am assuming they were in uniform and it was the Mexico millitary.
She said their fevers went away and they felt better for about 2 weeks and then the fevers came back but no one came to give them more medicine.
My parents had the show on so I do not know what channel they had on. They watch a lot of local News 12 for Long Island.
Or Fox and CNN.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 1:39 pm
Sarah Palin would do well to stay away formally from this group…that is when they “get a hold of her”…Uh Huh…
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 1:43 pm
Holy Shit!!! Here is an article on a possible connection to the beginning of the swine flu in Mexico and a pork processing plant:
A few tidbits..
A La Gloria resident who spoke to the Guardian on condition of anonymity yesterday described how illness swept through the village. “Some people started getting ill in February and an eight-month-old baby died,” she said. “After that another baby died on 21 March. Suddenly most of the village got ill. It was weekend and the tiny clinic here was closed. The state health authorities then did send doctors and nurses to look after us, and give us medication. About 60% of the village were ill and we asked them what it was and they said it was a severe and atypical cold. We talked about influenza and they said that was impossible, that influenza had been eradicated from Mexico.”
(snip…)
The world’s biggest pig meat producer, Virginia-based Smithfield, said it is co-operating with the Mexican authorities’ attempts to locate the possible source of the outbreak and will submit samples from its herds at its Granjas Carroll subsidiary to the University of Mexico for tests.
(snip…)
The statement came after Mexico’s national public health authority, the Mexican social security institute, raised concerns that waste from the Granjas Carrol facility may be responsible for the outbreak of illness, according to local media.
“According to state agents of the Mexican social security institute, the vector of this outbreak are the clouds of flies that come out of the hog barns, and the waste lagoons into which the Mexican-US company spews tons of excrement,” reported Mexico City newspaper La Jornada.
Swine flu can be caught through contact with infected animals, but it is unclear if contact with flies or excrement has the same effect.
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Smithfield, which is led by pork baron Joseph W Luter III, has previously been fined for environmental damage in the US. In October 2000 the supreme court upheld a $12.6m (£8.6m) fine levied by the US environmental protection agency which found that the company had violated its pollution permits in the Pagan River in Virginia which runs towards Chesapeake Bay. The company faced accusations that faecal and other bodily waste from slaughtered pigs had been dumped directly into the river since the 1970s .
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More… http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/27/swine-flu-search-outbreak-source
antifish 04.30.09 at 1:51 pm
Here’s something, BillieJo:
Organic Consumers Association Links Swine Flu to Factory Farms: Demands Closings
In light of news reports that the swine flu outbreak may have begun in La Gloria, a town in Veracruz, Mexico, near a cluster of factory farms co-owned by Smithfield Foods, the Organic Consumers Association and its Mexican counterpart, Via Organica, want Smithfield’s North American operations shut down until their lagoons of pig feces — where viruses can reside for 3 to 6 months — are tested and there is a plan for dealing with infected waste. The Associated Press reported today that a farm manager at Granjas Carroll de Mexico, Smithfield’s Veracruz partner, said no one from the government has inspected his farm (18 warehouses holding 15,000 of Granjas Carrol’s 950,000 hogs) for swine flu.
http://www.thelohasian.com/2009/04/organic-consumers-association-links.html
FLBarbara 04.30.09 at 1:53 pm
billiejo
Found this
The Associated Press: Swine flu’s ground zero? Residents say nearby farm caused flu
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hROQeIs-igcvLYIjF4rOb36RMgpgD97RJTBG3
Yep its a US pig breeding farm in Gloria Mexico!!
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 1:55 pm
Swine Influenza (Flu)
Center for Disease Control Report for April 29, 2009
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 1:58 pm
As Swine Flu Spreads, Conspiracy Theories of Laboratory Origins Abound
Monday, April 27, 2009 by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
Key concepts: Swine flu, Conspiracy and Conspiracy theories
http://www.naturalnews.com/026141.html
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(NaturalNews) Perhaps due to the genetic makeup of the fast-spreading H1N1 strain of influenza — which includes genetic elements from bird flu, swine flu and human flu spanning three continents — there is considerable speculation that the origins of this virus are man-made.
It’s not an unreasonable question to ask: Could world governments, spooked by the prospect of radical climate change caused by over-population of the planet, have assembled a super-secret task force to engineer and distribute a super virulent strain of influenza designed to “correct” the human population (and institute global Martial Law)?
Technically, it’s possible. The U.S. military, all by itself, has the know-how to engineer and unleash such a virus. That doesn’t mean they’ve done so, however. It would be an astonishing leap into crimes against humanity to intentionally unleash such a biological weapon into the wild.
Then again, governments of the world have routinely engaged in crimes against humanity, haven’t they? The U.S., for example, dropped nuclear bombs on civilian populations in Japan. Israel rained white phosphorous on Palestinians, Hitler exterminated countless Jews, and Americans fired millions of rounds of depleted uranium rounds into targets in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unleashing a viral biological weapon in Mexico City is no great leap beyond what governments have already done to achieve their goals.
Throughout human history, virtually all the great crimes against humanity have been carried out by governments — mostly in the name of peace, prosperity and security, by the way. So let’s be clear about one thing: Governments are certainly capable of doing this if properly motivated. Let there be no question about that.
Is there any hard evidence of laboratory origins?
As of this moment, I have not personally seen any conclusive evidence of laboratory origins for this H1N1 swine flu. I am open to the possibility that new evidence may emerge in this direction, however, and I am suspicious of the genetic makeup of the virus as one possible indicator of its origins.
I am not a medical specialist in the area of infectious disease, but I have studied microbiology, genetics and a considerable amount of material on pandemics. What seems suspicious to me is the hybrid origin of the viral fragments found in H1N1 influenza. According to reports in the mainstream media (which has no reason to lie about this particular detail), this strain of influenza contains viral code fragments from:
• Human influenza
• Bird Flu from North America
• Swine flu from Europe
• Swine flu from Asia
This is rather astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North America would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross-species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird flu elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs — in Mexico! — and spread it to others. (This isn’t the only explanation of how it could have happened, but it is one scenario that gives you an idea of the complexity of such a thing happening).
antifish 04.30.09 at 1:59 pm
This sounds like a worthy prowl:
Organic Consumers Association and Via Organica are calling on their hundreds of thousands of members in the US and Mexico to contact Mexican President Calderon and his Agriculture Secretary Alberto Cardenas and US President Obama and his Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack and urge them to:
-Immediately ban Confined Animal Feeding Operations (hog, beef, and chicken factory farms) across the United States and end the dangerous practice of feeding antibiotics to farm animals.
-Initiate a criminal investigation of Smithfield Foods and other major factory farms that could be a source of disease outbreaks.
http://www.thelohasian.com/2009/04/organic-consumers-association-links.html
scarlet 04.30.09 at 1:59 pm
Deb55 04.30.09 at 12:59 pm
Just a little up date of information:
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/mar0209osel.html
But it appears that the drug..RELENZA..has NOT become drug resistant to H1N1..Becky said if we are going to get anything, ASK your Doctor for Relenza..this one is the other one they keep refering too.
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Thanks for the info and link
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 2:01 pm
Billijo,
Mexicans, many of them women working in factories, contract enviromental diseases working in plants without contrls on toxic chemicals and fibers. Many take these hazardous products home to their families.
Also the general state of water pollution has deteriorated due to poor sewage and massive unregulated chemical dumping.
It’s not surprising they might misdiagnose the problem in view of the horrible conditions evident in U.S. Maquiladores.
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 2:02 pm
Special Report:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/video/science/5/special_report_the_genetic_origins_of_swine_flu/27649/index.html
murphy 04.30.09 at 2:06 pm
The Luter Family has donated close to $200,000 to republicans and republican causes the last few years. mccain is noticeably absent from the list of republican recipients. the luters liked romney apparently.
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?capcode=854r5&name=Luter&employ=&cand=&state=&zip=&all=Y&old=N&c2008=N&c2006=N&c2004=N&sort=N&page=&page=1
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 2:07 pm
Regarding moderate Republicans ..from Olympia Snowe cited in an April 28..2009 article by Lisa Lerer entitled.”Two Republicans blame Conservatives.”
…”You haven’t heard warm encouraging words about how the GOP
views moderates” said Maine Sen Olympia Snow..one of the few moderate Republicans in the Senate.
Snow said the “party’s message has been..Either you’re with us or against us.”
Snow criticizrd party leadership for failing to change ist tone after Republicans lost 6 Senate seats in 2006 election.
” I happened to win with 74% of the vote in a blue collar state but no one asked me. “How did you do it.” she said.
“Seems to me that would have been the first question that would have come from the Republican Party to find out so we could avoid further losses. Ultimately we’re heading tohaving the smallest political tent in history the way things are unfolding..Snowe said.
Now is not the attitude…either you are with me or against me not that of the last year in the usurped Democraps party?
If you did not know she had said this..could this not as easily characterize Pumas and millions of others..in this country?
Are all of these millions paraiahs because they as many Democrats have been dupped? NO. ..they are Americans ..individuals …there to meet with and act with on the streets and in other ways…
simofish 04.30.09 at 2:07 pm
Wikipedia -
The 2009 flu outbreak in humans that is widely known as “swine flu” technically is not swine flu. It is due to a new strain of influenza A virus subtype H1N1 that derives from one strain of human influenza, one strain of avian influenza, and two separate strains of swine influenza. The origins of this new strain are unknown, and the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) reports that this strain has not been isolated in swine.[3] It passes with apparent ease from human to human, an ability attributed to an as-yet unidentified mutation.[4] The strain in most cases causes only mild symptoms and the infected person makes a full recovery without requiring medical attention and without the use of antiviral medicines.[5]
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 2:09 pm
Swine-flu outbreak could be linked to Smithfield factory farms
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-04-25-swine-flu-smithfield/
The outbreak of a new flu strain—a nasty mash-up of swine, avian, and human viruses—has infected 1,000 people in Mexico and the U.S., killing 68. The World Health Organization warned Saturday that the outbreak could reach global pandemic levels.
Is Smithfield Foods, the world’s largest pork packer and hog producer, linked to the outbreak? Smithfield operates massive hog-raising operations Perote, Mexico, in the state of Vera Cruz, where the outbreak originated. The operations, grouped under a Smithfield subsidiary called Granjas Carroll, raise 950,000 hogs per year, according to the company Web site.
On Friday, the U.S. disease-tracking blog Biosurveillance published a timeline of the outbreak containing this nugget, dated April 6 (major tip of the hat to Paula Hay, who alerted me to the Smithfield link on the Comfood listserv and has written about it on her blog, Peak Oil Entrepreneur):
Residents [of Perote] believed the outbreak had been caused by contamination from pig breeding farms located in the area. They believed that the farms, operated by Granjas Carroll, polluted the atmosphere and local water bodies, which in turn led to the disease outbreak. According to residents, the company denied responsibility for the outbreak and attributed the cases to “flu.” However, a municipal health official stated that preliminary investigations indicated that the disease vector was a type of fly that reproduces in pig waste and that the outbreak was linked to the pig farms. It was unclear whether health officials had identified a suspected pathogen responsible for this outbreak.
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simofish 04.30.09 at 2:14 pm
I don’t know how they are making this stretch — I don’t believe this comes from pigs.
FLBarbara 04.30.09 at 2:14 pm
Too close to home now
My parents live on LI and I am back and forth from Fl taking care of them. I am scheduled to leave Thurs.
Their neighbour called to say he has been confirmed with swine flu. In the neighbouring towns are also 2 cases, a boy who went to prep school and a man who worked at prep school.
This neighbour believed he had allergies till he started vomiting and went to the ER. He was given Tamaflu and sent home, his 9 year old now seems ill and will go to the ER.
My parents are in their 80s last Sat I had my mom to the ER and I thought it strange in the ER they sent her saying it was more dangerous to be in th ER even though it was heart related for her.
So its right next door to 2 very elderly sick people. My dad a flu shot but they say he is not protected.
Scary shit and if they knew about this a while ago…there are no words
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 2:15 pm
There’s nothing wrong with advocating for swine.
Animals have no voice. In America, women generally do, although they too often use them to support the patriarchy around wedge issues.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 2:18 pm
87Scarlet: Would you happen to have close at hand the names and states of the17 Democrats who did not support the budget?
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 2:20 pm
Would governments REALLY resort to cemical.germ warfare?
Like Agent Orange and Napalm in Vietnam.
This is what it looks like up close and personal!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBFBZb-B3Vo
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 2:28 pm
124mountainsong: Where and when did Saddam get his access to chemical and germ agents?
Time’s up…during the Reagan administration.
Deb55 04.30.09 at 2:28 pm
mountainsong..
This may not be to far off.
Not into conspiracy theories BUT, my daughter-in-law has been told, the combination, should not happen naturally.
Also just read where, they took tissue from a 1918 women, who died from H1N1, and reenginered through DNA to produce the Virus.
Something stinks…they are aware that Tamiflu is showing resistance to H1N1..as of a year ago..and our stock pile is 80% Tamiflu, only 20% Renlenza.
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 2:29 pm
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PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 2:15 pm
There’s nothing wrong with advocating for swine.
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You are so right PB some people even VOTE for them.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 2:34 pm
mountainsong antifish: Please see my post 86 regarding Mexico and this Country’s cross border “global” company moves and the effect on health and all else…as across the world. This has been going on for a very long time..i.e..and is the essence of the bane of so called globalized corporate moves…clearly.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 2:35 pm
127HPBoston: oh yeah…good one.
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 2:35 pm
DEB55
Something stinks…they are aware that Tamiflu is showing resistance to H1N1..as of a year ago..and our stock pile is 80% Tamiflu, only 20% Renlenza.
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Well do we know who the pharmaceutical company is? Lets track it….Tamiflu and Renlenza same co? Roche?
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 2:38 pm
GlaxoSmithKline, which makes Relenza, and Roche, which makes Tamiflu
http://www.startribune.com/nation/43640582.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 2:38 pm
antifish
We both posted the same info from different sources at the same time…now I will go read your article.
Thanks
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 2:39 pm
http://www.fda.gov/cder/news/relenza/default.htm
Relenza (zanamivir) Information
FDA has approved Relenza (zanamivir), an anti-viral drug, for persons aged 7 years and older for the treatment of uncomplicated influenza illness. This product is approved to treat type A and B influenza, the two types most responsible for flu epidemics. Clinical studies showed that for the drug to be effective, patients needed to start treatment within two days of the onset of symptoms. The drug seemed to be less effective in patients whose symptoms weren’t severe or didn’t include a fever. Relenza is approved for preventive use, to decrease the risk of developing influenza illness, for persons aged 5 and older. Relenza has not been proven effective for prevention of influenza in nursing home patients.
Relenza is a powder that is inhaled twice a day for five days from a breath-activated plastic device called a Diskhaler for treatment of influenza. For preventive use to reduce the risk of getting influenza, Relenza is inhaled once daily for 10 to 28 days as prescribed by a healthcare provider. Patients should get instruction from a health-care practitioner in the proper use of the Diskhaler, including a demonstration when possible. Relenza has not been shown to be effective, and may carry risk, in patients with severe asthma or a lung condition called chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 2:40 pm
SEP 04, 2001
U.S. Germ Warfare Research Pushes Treaty Limits
http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/GEessays/germtreatylimits.html
Over the past several years, the United States has embarked on a program of secret research on biological weapons that, some officials say, tests the limits of the global treaty banning such weapons.
The 1972 treaty forbids nations from developing or acquiring weapons that spread disease, but it allows work on vaccines and other protective measures. Government officials said the secret research, which mimicked the major steps a state or terrorist would take to create a biological arsenal, was aimed at better understanding the threat.
The projects, which have not been previously disclosed, were begun under President Clinton and have been embraced by the Bush administration, which intends to expand them.
Earlier this year, administration officials said, the Pentagon drew up plans to engineer genetically a potentially more potent variant of the bacterium that causes anthrax, a deadly disease ideal for germ warfare.
The experiment has been devised to assess whether the vaccine now being given to millions of American soldiers is effective against such a superbug, which was first created by Russian scientists. A Bush administration official said the National Security Council is expected to give the final go-ahead later this month.
Two other projects completed during the Clinton administration focused on the mechanics of making germ weapons.
In a program code-named Clear Vision, the Central Intelligence Agency built and tested a model of a Soviet-designed germ bomb that agency officials feared was being sold on the international market. The C.I.A. device lacked a fuse and other parts that would make it a working bomb, intelligence officials said.
At about the same time, Pentagon experts assembled a germ factory in the Nevada desert from commercially available materials. Pentagon officials said the project demonstrated the ease with which a terrorist or rogue nation could build a plant that could produce pounds of the deadly germs.
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mountainsong 04.30.09 at 2:46 pm
re: China and the Global Financial Crisis; on Population Control (Robert Whealey, US)
http://cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/?p=33537
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 2:47 pm
I say err on the side of take precautions, Biden is still being horsewhipped as we post!
Also it is of no use to sock up at the air port b/c the dam trays you must put your belongings in has already had 5000 pair of dirty shoes in em!!! Plus your own……..
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 2:48 pm
I personally believe the economic crisis is going to explode in everyone’s faces by Nov., 2009. Like it or not, population control, urban control, civil disobedience control are going to be the topics of the day.
And I am ready.
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 2:49 pm
I *might* listen to Biden after he goes to AA and has been SOBER at least a year.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 2:50 pm
HPBostn: Maybe Janet Napolitano can put out another intemediary Surgeon General for a while directive that simply urges temporary Nudity at all airports…I definitly could scare away in that condition people and pigs and their viruses!
bqueen 04.30.09 at 2:50 pm
O/T Women who smoke, h/t via Hillary is 44:
Anna Schwartz must be the oldest active revolutionary on earth. Born in 1915 in New York, she can still be found nearly every day at her office in the National Bureau of Economic Research on Fifth Avenue, where she has been tirelessly gathering data since 1941. And as her experience proves, data can transform the world…
Inflation seems to her “unavoidable”: the Federal Reserve is creating money with little restraint, while Treasury expenditures remain far in excess of revenue. The inflation spigot is thus wide open. To beat the coming inflation, a “new Paul Volcker will be needed at the head of the Federal Reserve.”
Who listens to her these days? “I’m not a media person,” she tells me. She rarely grants interviews, which distract her from her current research: a survey of government intervention in setting foreign exchange rates between 1962 and 1985. Never before have these data been combined to show what works and what doesn’t. In her nineties, she remains a trendsetter.
http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_economist-anna-schwartz.html
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On topic: hats off to Puma info & links posted here!
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 2:50 pm
NOP
globalized corporate moves = We moved all the polution to other countries
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 2:54 pm
Time to Wake Up, America!
Mass Mind Control in the Present-Day U.S.
— The big picture
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/mass_mind_control.htm
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/resrc-hm.htm
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 2:56 pm
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 2:50 pm
HPBostn: Maybe Janet Napolitano can put out another intemediary Surgeon General for a while directive that simply urges temporary Nudity at all airports…I definitly could scare away in that condition people and pigs and their viruses!
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Yup and we can get Janet to join us……….she should be striped searched for a brain!
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 2:58 pm
The Battle For Your
Mind – Mass Mind Control
Techniques In America
http://www.rense.com/ufo6/mindcontrol.htm
MIND CONTROL TECHNIQUES
AND TACTICS OF THE
New World Order
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/pro-freedom.co.uk/mct_nwo.html
We are so screwed. There is nothing left of the America we so longingly seek to restore.
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 3:00 pm
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 2:50 pm
NOP
globalized corporate moves = We moved all the polution to other countries
We have nothing on the terrorist…big biz has destroyed more of the world than imaginable, I understand why our government wont spend a dime on bith control in 3rd world countries……
mountainsong 04.30.09 at 3:01 pm
Seizing the Media
Asian philosophy instructs enlightenment. But given our daily exposure to a barrage of persuasive messages, monologues, sales pitches, come-ons, and uninformative hyper-sensational news, common sense and intimacy are tough enough a struggle to maintain.
We can each see how extended exposure to television and mass media dulls people with a sense of numbness and nausea. From every public space a monologue of coercion penetrates our senses and rapes our attention. Wherever we look, wherever we listen, wherever we go: the pornography of billboards, bus side placards, subway cards, glaring storefront signs and displays, the glut of junk mail, stupid fly-by beach planes and blimps, coupons, obnoxious bumper stickers and breast pins, embarrassing service forms, plastic banners and ribbons, absurd parades, street-corner handouts, windsheild wiper flyers, matchbook ads, business cards, screaming radios, the daily papers, every nanosecond of television, the package wrapped around everything we buy—from the label in our underwear to the robot computer that calls us in our homes—only the upper atmosphere and the ocean floor offer any sanctuary from America’s ecology of coercion. At every turn the monologues drone on, imbedding the psychological mutagens that coax us to become pathetic customers and unquestioning flag wavers. At every turn we are under subtle attack.
The media serve the interests of the State and other corporations, but never the interests of the public. The media’s screen of aggression and seduction is designed to mesmerize and captivate the largest possible sector of population whose attention is then sold like scrap metal to advertisers and gang raped by their slogans, jingles, and manic images. Protected by an uncrossable media moat, agents of the State profit from war and relax behind a web of information laws, censorship powers, and vapid explanations that swat the public of detailed intelligence and mass resistance.
So long as we do not control our own government, our own state, and our own broadcast media—the mirror with which we reflect on the reality of lives—we will continue to be forced to see fun-house mirror distortions of ourselves projected onto a dumpster of products that promise to make us each desirable, sophisticated, and correct. At every turn we are under attack.
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http://deoxy.org/seize_it.htm
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 3:01 pm
141HPBoston: Not exactly…we gave them a portion of what we retain here without any intervention over many years by any Federal agency oversight…If that were not the case then the monopoly game here of I continue to pollute locally but I buy from you (another company) the credits you do not need because you do not pollute as much as I …which is nothing but bs paper monopoly transfer.
At least that is how I see it…and it turns out being a transfer of money but where is the demand for regulation enforcement on the books for years?
Where has it been for years? …
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 3:02 pm
Hi HP, sorry gang and Billijo. I joined the conversation at the bottom and didn’t see that you’d already pinpointed a part-American factory farm.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 3:04 pm
145Hp: A big Ditto re your comment about the destruction here and around the world of unbridled no count give me your frickin money and blow the pollution up and out whatever bodily cavities you can find…so called global companies!
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 3:06 pm
HpBoston..oops…destruction…BY so called global companies!
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 3:07 pm
PUMAbear 04.30.09 at 3:02 pm
Hi HP, sorry gang and Billijo. I joined the conversation at the bottom and didn’t see that you’d already pinpointed a part-American factory farm.
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No problem, I am good at skipping over posts like a leprechaun.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 3:07 pm
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 2:47 pm
I say err on the side of take precautions, Biden is still being horsewhipped as we post!
Also it is of no use to sock up at the air port b/c the dam trays you must put your belongings in has already had 5000 pair of dirty shoes in em!!! Plus your own……..
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Please don’t allow persephone see this comment.
Deb55 04.30.09 at 3:09 pm
HP Boston..
Tried to go back to the W.H.O reporting released concerning the 2007/2008 findings, can’t get back their, was under my daughter-in-laws Phar. ID#.
Did find this: As of Feb 19 2009, resistance to Oseltamivir (Tamiflu) had been ID among 264/268 or 98.5% of US inful. A (H1N1) viruses tested.
Not sure on Relenza, my daughter-in-law was told it was better..can’t docum…was just passing along what she had been told, as a Pharmacist.
http://seniorjournal.com/Spotlights/FLU2009/20090303-IncreasingPrevalence.htm
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 3:25 pm
152Dances: What is your comment supposed to mean? I don’t get it.
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 3:26 pm
At least that is how I see it…and it turns out being a transfer of money but where is the demand for regulation enforcement on the books for years?
Where has it been for years? …
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I know NOP makes one want to scream and cry at the same time…a primal scream a brewing……..
Nothing has been regulated, not financial, medical, drugs, food the air we breath….our taxes are stolen and wasted.
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 3:28 pm
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 3:07 pm
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 2:47 pm
I say err on the side of take precautions, Biden is still being horsewhipped as we post!
Also it is of no use to sock up at the air port b/c the dam trays you must put your belongings in has already had 5000 pair of dirty shoes in em!!! Plus your own……..
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Please don’t allow Persephone see this comment.
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I KNOW the germaphobic…I will tell her when I see her of her valiant wasted efforts!
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 3:29 pm
155HPBoston: The utter shock for me during the last year of campaign and machinations is that I realized corruption was far more embedded in sitting politicians than I had ever identified previously…sort of that know there are (this is gross but a good metaphor) pockets of cold and medium warm abscesses in a body and seeing them full blown..pop in front of my eyes!.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 3:32 pm
156Hp and Dances: Now I get it!
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 3:34 pm
The White House is issuing a health advisory outlining “protective measures” to anyone who traveled on President Barack Obama’s trip to Mexico, after a member of the U.S. delegation is suspected of contracting the swine flu strain on the trip.
My guess is ObieWan has been exposed……….
At least we will find out if the antiviral drugs work.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21940.html
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 3:35 pm
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 3:32 pm
156Hp and Dances: Now I get it!
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I KNEW you would!
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 3:46 pm
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 3:29 pm
155HPBoston: The utter shock for me during the last year of campaign and machinations is that I realized corruption was far more embedded in sitting politicians than I had ever identified previously…sort of that know there are (this is gross but a good metaphor) pockets of cold and medium warm abscesses in a body and seeing them full blown..pop in front of my eyes!.
—————————-Of all the pus pockets of dems!!
Exactly…Mama Puma and I were saying the same thing at the meet up at Murphy’s..Unbelievable how destroyed we feel.
Not to mention the shock of Barbara Walters and our married Mayor having an affair………back in the day of puritanical Boston.
Deb55 04.30.09 at 3:51 pm
Not sure if this has been posted..trying to work..not doing a good job.
EGYPT now KILLING ALL PIGS in the COUNTRY!
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-SwineFlu/idUSTRE53T4BA20090430
What did they do? These people are crazy!!!!
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 3:56 pm
Deb55 04.30.09 at 3:51 pm
Not sure if this has been posted..trying to work..not doing a good job.
EGYPT now KILLING ALL PIGS in the COUNTRY!
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Deb it is a Muslim country and the small population of Christians there have pigs much to the dismay of the pig adverse Muslims. Any excuse to take property from the Christian population.
simofish 04.30.09 at 3:59 pm
HP Boston — funny enough I had a Jewish friend from Israel who was a pig farmer
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 4:01 pm
simofish 04.30.09 at 3:59 pm
HP Boston — funny enough I had a Jewish friend from Israel who was a pig farmer
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Ya but he couldn’t eat em……..but many Jews do eat pork, they love bacon.
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 4:13 pm
161HPBoston..back in the days of Puritanical Boston? You mean those days are gone? You mean all those “Blue Bloods” have left town? okie dokie…I definitely wish I could make a trip up there to give it a street test..by walking around very late with my “go cup” and see how long it would take to get stopped…
The nice thing? Now I could just feign age..oh I forgot I was not in New Orleans..I wonder how many times I could get away with that in one night…? I bettcha it would work more than once!
What do you think? LOL
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 4:19 pm
Sorry NOP no public drinking in Bean Town….I will say no town in Mass allows public drinking.
But hey I remember being in the South, Dallas and it was difficult to get a drink if you were on the wrong side of the street IN A RESTAURANT!
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 4:20 pm
Trauma Alarm
Police call man LA’s ‘most prolific serial killer’
AP 1 hr 46 mins ago
LOS ANGELES – Police believe a 72-year-old insurance claims adjuster arrested earlier this month is the most prolific serial killer in the city’s history, having raped and strangled as many as 30 older women over two decades….
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090430/ap_on_re_us/us_serial_slayings
simofish 04.30.09 at 4:22 pm
WBD – #168
We’re just now hearing about this ?? WTF
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 4:23 pm
It’s about time someone in this administration gets their butt kicked for trying to inform “US… The People”
Yeah Joe Biden… take it like a PUMA!!!
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 4:23 pm
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 4:28 pm
simofish 04.30.09 at 4:22 pm:
“We’re just now hearing about this ?? WTF”
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Yep, simonfish… looks like it – wonder why it took the PD so long to track him down? “Older” Women, maybe???
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 4:28 pm
wontbackdown
Great job on your website!!
http://www.annieonymous.com/
NewOrleansPuma 04.30.09 at 4:31 pm
167HpBoston: That was kinda my point…and…your Dallas experience is also another variation on the theme…oh well..
persephone 04.30.09 at 4:31 pm
HP and Dances
You both come with me through airport security and I will show you the ropes.
I can guarantee to get you through without a germ.
Once you’re on the plane, that’s another story.
Book early, hoard ff miles, and fly business class whenever possible..
All those people, eewwww..
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 4:35 pm
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 4:28 pm :
Thanks DWP… Whew! 7 years… and still as nervous as a bird in a cat barn about it!
Just “trudging the happy road to destiny” kwim?
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 4:37 pm
persephone 04.30.09 at 4:31 pm
HP and Dances
You both come with me through airport security and I will show you the ropes. I can guarantee to get you through without a germ.
Once you’re on the plane, that’s another story.
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Great! HP and I have been planning a trip to New Zealand.
This will be the perfect opportunity for us. Please book our flights early… 1st Calss, but Business Class will do. Thank you!!
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 4:38 pm
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 4:35 pm
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 4:28 pm :
Thanks DWP… Whew! 7 years… and still as nervous as a bird in a cat barn about it!
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Congratulations!
persephone 04.30.09 at 4:39 pm
April 30, 2009
Obama staffer sick after presidential Mexico trip
Posted: 04:12 PM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) – A government official who traveled to Mexico City to support the delegation accompanying President Barack Obama later came down with flu-like symptoms, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Thursday.
Testing is underway to determine if the individual — an Energy Department staffer — contracted the swine flu virus.
The H1N1 virus outbreak originated in Mexico.
The unnamed individual has since recovered.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 4:40 pm
“Congratulations!”
Time will tell.
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 4:41 pm
wontbackdown
You’ve accomplished one of your long term goals = Congratulations!
murphy 04.30.09 at 4:41 pm
holy smokes wbd #168 — that story is direct PROOF of the story linked to above by Kristof about rape kit evidence being ignored.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090430/ap_on_re_us/us_serial_slayings
imagine all the serial rapists they could put in jail TODAY if they would simply PROCESS THE FREAKING EVIDENCE!!
speaking of which, daily pig posted –
take it upstairs!
persephone 04.30.09 at 4:42 pm
#177 Dances
Let’s just get the silly consulting fee out of the way, and then we can get started.
Will you be using Mastercard, Visa, or American Express today?
DancesWithPumas 04.30.09 at 4:43 pm
183
heh.
You’re too smart for my own good.
wontbackdown 04.30.09 at 4:48 pm
You know, my great-grandfather died from the 1918 epidemic… leaving a generation of orphans… which happened all over because Women couldn’t manage the kids and farms, etc.
It all has an eerie ring to it with the times as they are.
There is just something peculiar about all of this… we’re already sick from who’s sitting in the WH…
…maybe that’s it… Savior is actually making us all sicker than we thought.
BillieJo 04.30.09 at 4:58 pm
Although I am not Buddhist, I think something the Dali Lama said at UC Berkeley recently would apply to PUMA bloggers, especially after yesterday’s thread:
“Peace does not equal absence of problems,” he said. Peace is when, despite “disagreement and the possibility for open conflict,” people exercise restraint and will power to “seek ways to solve it” without coming to blows.
Cute photos of him too….. http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2009/04/27_dalailama.shtml
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 5:10 pm
Marching band girl fights off muggers with a baton
QUARTZ HILL, Calif.
– Don’t mess with a marching band girl, especially one armed with a baton.
A 17-year-old high school marching band student beat up two assailants who tried to mug her as she walked to school in this high desert community about 40 miles north of Los Angeles, sheriff’s officials said Tuesday.
The girl punched one of the men in the nose, kicked the other in the groin and beat both with her large baton before she ran away on Friday morning, officials said
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30493653/?GT1=43001
HP Boston 04.30.09 at 5:15 pm
YIPPY!!!!!!
Saudi girl, 8, divorces 50-year-old husband
He paid $13,000 to father to marry her; out-of-court settlement in case
CAIRO – An 8-year-old Saudi girl has divorced her middle-aged husband after her father forced her to marry him last year in exchange for about $13,000, her lawyer said Thursday.
Saudi Arabia has come under increasing criticism at home and abroad for permitting child marriages. The United States, a close ally of the conservative Muslim kingdom, has called child marriage a “clear and unacceptable” violation of human rights.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30501798/
Zee 04.30.09 at 7:22 pm
ohhhhhh, yeah.
No big surprise here. Scanned the thread and found no sputtering and frothing about “democraps” or about how dems and rethugs are all the same.
Whistling in the dark, hm?
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