I’ll be under the blog’s hood trying to get the server’s stability back. If that doesn’t work I’ll be be in California taking hostages at customer support until they fix things for us.
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TexasTigress 02.21.09 at 8:00 am
HAPPY 16TH BIRTHDAY TO MY AMAZING MINI -PUMAS !
murphy 02.21.09 at 8:16 am
happy birthdAy Texas tigrettes!
TexasTigress 02.21.09 at 8:17 am
Obama’s Brown Shirts in action .
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/02/acorn_breaks_into_foreclosed_h.html
“The answer is that ACORN is seeking to destroy property rights as any good little marxist organization would. Once property rights are history, no one will be safe and people will scurry to the protection that Big Brother offers in order to save what little they have. Property rights guarantee our independence. And that just won’t do for ACORN and their allies.”
Notyoursweetie 02.21.09 at 8:25 am
58 Kill Hillary groups still active on facebook!
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/58-kill-hillary-groups-on-facebook/
scarlet 02.21.09 at 8:33 am
EXECUTIVE ORDER
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE WHITE HOUSE OFFICE OF URBAN AFFAIRS
AND
EXECUTIVE ACCOUNTABILITY ACT OF 2009 (HR 743)
AND
Constitutional Amendment Barring Appointment of Senators Sought
More info at 411 on the 111 pumapac forum
http://pumapac.org/forums/411-on-the-111/comment-page-2/#comment-291743
The Senate and House are in recess until Monday, February 23, 2009
Sunshinelvr 02.21.09 at 9:04 am
sniff! …somebody ate ALL the donuts! I can’t even see the crumbs! Not fair.
Sunshinelvr 02.21.09 at 9:29 am
It appears to me that they want to recall this man based solely on the fact that he is not black and did not support ologo’s stimulus plan. Now that sounds pretty racist to me.
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“But his two votes against President Barack Obama’s stimulus package prompted the recall effort, said Rev. Aubry Wallace, chairman of the petition drive, and Rev. Toris Young, president of the Louisiana Ministerial Alliance of Churches for All People.”
http://ap.augustachronicle.com/pstories/us/20090220/396204388.shtml
Headclunker 02.21.09 at 9:54 am
BO Approval Index back down to his minimum to date of 10%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
Headclunker 02.21.09 at 9:56 am
Should we start a contest to see who can predict the day that the Rasmussen Approval Index goes to 0 for the O? I’ll take May 1st
Sunshinelvr 02.21.09 at 9:56 am
I didn’t even know this about the badminton team..
from Charles Krauthammer..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/19/AR2009021902579_2.html
“A U.S. women’s badminton team had been invited to Iran. Here was a chance for “ping-pong diplomacy” with the accommodating new president, a sporting venture meant to suggest the possibility of warmer relations. On Feb. 4, Tehran denied the team entry into Iran.”
Headclunker 02.21.09 at 9:58 am
Murphy,
All this trouble with the blog – Any chance it is sabotage?
Sunshinelvr 02.21.09 at 10:03 am
Jimmy Carter finally got something right!
http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmZmNmRhN2QwMjJiNTMwOTgxMjE5YmIwZGM5ZWVmNTk=
Jimmy Carter: No New Fairness Doctrine [Greg Pollowitz]
Radio Ink magazine:
PHOENIX — February 13, 2009: Former President Jimmy Carter weighed in on the potential return of the Fairness Doctrine today on Bonneville News/Talker KTAR/Phoenix’s Mac & Gaydos.
Co-host Mac Watson asked Carter, “Do you think the Fairness Doctrine is something that should be brought back in the 21st century? This is something that came out in the ’30s — should there be a place for the Fairness Doctrine?”
Carter responded, “Well, I liked it when it first came out, because I was just a child listening to programs, and I liked to hear some limits on some of the programs. But no. As a matter of fact, when I was president is when we deregulated radio, television, all the communications and relationships, so I have not been in favor of perpetuating the Fairness Doctrine since I’ve been in politics.”
HP Boston 02.21.09 at 10:14 am
DancesWithPumas 02.20.09 at 6:34 pm
hp
try sending to southwest@pumapac.org and they’ll forward to my secret email address
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I did not see this till just now Dances….so I resent under action.
Wow low low calorie donuts!
Headclunker 02.21.09 at 10:18 am
Good Bumper Sticker
http://dontreelectanyone.org/
admin 02.21.09 at 10:30 am
yes it is a good bumper sticker, thanks headclunker.
wonder if dwp could design a fresher looking one. . .
nah, it’s not sabotage. it’s incompetence on the part of the server gods.
Sunshinelvr 02.21.09 at 10:36 am
A Laugh for all…
Acts 2:38
A woman had just returned to her home from an evening of church services , when she was startled by an intruder. She caught the man in the act of robbing her home of its valuables and yelled:
‘Stop! Acts 2:38 Repent and be Baptized, in the name of Jesus Christ , so that your sins may be forgiven.
The burglar stopped in his tracks. The woman calmly called the police and explained what she had done.
As the officer cuffed the man to take him in, he asked the burglar: ‘Why did you just stand there? All the old lady did was yell a scripture to you…’
‘Scripture?’ replied the burglar..
‘She said she had an ax and two 38s!’
admin 02.21.09 at 10:46 am
NYT still after Gov Paterson for not appointing Kennedy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/nyregion/21paterson.html?hp
admin 02.21.09 at 10:49 am
First Cat Socks tribute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oxx9W2v2lw
very sweet, with old bill and hillary pics.
via hillbuzz
KarenWI 02.21.09 at 10:50 am
Rather long, but very good…
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/politics_in_jeopardy.html
*********
February 21, 2009
Politics in Jeopardy
By Big Fur Hat
It was almost twenty years ago when my phone rang and fellow illustrator, Irony Curtain, was on the other end of the line asking incredulously, “did you just hear what I heard on the radio?”
I hadn’t, but the term “the radio” only meant one thing. AM Talk Radio. (I believe that when talk radio historians document the era, Irony Curtain will be identified as Listener Zero.) He said, “put it on and wait for the next news cycle.”
The on-air talent was more than likely a conservative, but the news segments, as they are today, had a pronounced slant towards the left.
It took about twenty minutes, but I finally heard it. This was during perestroika and the Ted Baxterish newscaster was talking about the latest reforms Gorbachev was implementing that were slowly freeing the Soviet Union from the cold grip of communism. Baxter quickly summarized one reform, then another, and then came the money shot…
“and with these reforms the once hardline Soviets are moving a little more to the left.”
I sat confused for a moment. I glanced at my outstretched hands questioning if I ever really knew my left from my right. I was about to doodle a crude diagram when the phone rang again.
“Do you believe what you just heard? I’ve been calling and complaining. You do the same!” Click.
It was amazingly easy to get right through to radio shows back in the day. The guy who answered the phone sounded like I had interrupted an epic bite of an egg salad sandwich. He listened to my rant: “The Soviet Union is communist. Communism is full blown socialism, which is the o’s and x’s of liberalism tried out on the playing field. Get it? If the communists retreat from their hardline stance they move (I looked at my hands) … right! Not left!”
Egg salad said, “Tin ya duff tall.” Which I deciphered as, “Didn’t you just call?” Then he hung up.
I was frustrated that the news could get such a simple thing so wrong, and that people like egg salad-boy were running the show.
But I could be heartened by the world political climate. America was winning the war of ideology with the Soviet Union, despite the best efforts of many of America’s own citizens… or so I thought.
The February 17th, 2009, episode of Jeopardy served up a heapin’ helpin’ dose of reality. I was working with my back to the television, half paying attention, when I heard Alex Trebek say, “bla bla Marxist stage bla blahh bla before communism bla bla control over the economy…. bla bla.”
Based on all the buzz words I reflexively shouted, “socialism!”
There was a slight pause, no one rang in, so I shouted the answer again.
The third time I yelled the answer I turned around to see if the cable went out. There, staring at me, like chronic mouth breathers, were three contestants who could probably run the category on Late Renaissance Flautists, their buzzer fingers pathetically poised in space, filled with ignorant inertia.
“Are you kidding me!!!????!!!”
I called Irony Curtain.
“Are you watching Jeopardy?”
“No, I’m eating egg salad.”
I called my mother in Florida because I remembered she got Jeopardy a half hour later than the New York broadcast. I wanted to confirm if I heard the question correctly.
As she held out the phone I heard Trebek say, “A Marxist stage before communism which is characterized by government control over the economy…. I thought it meant friendliness.”
I hadn’t heard that last part. They were teeing it up for the contestants.
And no one even attempted to answer.
In the background I hear my mother mutter, “what is socialism?” (She struggles with “Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader?”). Then Alex says, “Ooohhh, what is socialism? We were going for socialism. Pointdexter, you still have control of the board, pick a category.”
I hung up.
Bravo, liberals. Well played. The subtle disinformation that you’ve quickly inserted into newscasts, your control over classroom curricula, and your domination of the pop culture — all have been a master strokes. I can fully understand why these, otherwise brilliant, contestants stood motionless. The Jeopardy question threw them a curve ball. Had they not included the part that was supposed to make the question a slam dunk — “I thought it meant friendliness” — they probably would have rung in and replied, “What is Bushism?” Hell, it would be worth the shot that early in the game with nothing on the line. The staff writer had no idea his $200 question would have made a formidable Final Jeopardy puzzler.
The left have successfully branded the right as evil, corrupt, callous and self-serving and themselves as good, kind, caring, compassionate and fair. The dots are easily connected now. Sound reasoning tells us that if our evil enemies are moving away from their hardline ideology they must be moving left, towards goodness, just like the newscaster said twenty years ago. My God, it’s simple logic, tainted by decades of subtle indoctrination. The über-smart contestants on Jeopardy are absolutely stumped by this throwaway question when they are told that they should be supplying a political term that is equated with communism, our ideological foe. “Are you sure it’s not Bushism?”
Yes. We are sure. The answer you are struggling to find is the same ideology currently being foisted upon us by the good, kind, caring, compassionate and fair Barack Obama. So it can’t be all that bad. I know it’s the ideology that is universally recognized as “Communism Lite.” Yes, I realize that I am teetering on hyperbole, and that nothing of the kind could ever happen here in the sophisticated, educated and level-headed U.S. of A., especially if it’s being ushered in by the “nice” party.
I’ll take “Ignorant, Brain-Washed Lemmings” for $200, Alex.
theamericanway 02.21.09 at 10:56 am
Socks video. A real upper. Wonder where BO’s dog is. Wonder where Michelle is. Did she give up her welcome wagon gig at the federal agencies?
KarenWI 02.21.09 at 10:56 am
ANOTHER really good one!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the_wagon_analogy.html
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February 21, 2009
The Wagon Analogy
By Mike Williams
The westward-bound Conestoga wagons of the 19th century are an emblem of America’s expansion. They also offer a useful analogy for our current situation.
Several years ago, I was stationed at Fort Leavenworth Kansas. Fort Leavenworth was a major crossing point on the Missouri River for settlers and their wagons as they headed west. There are still massive ruts cut into the river bank where the wagons wore down the hill side as they struggled to climb out of the river bottom to higher ground on the western side of the river bank. I often stood in those ruts and imagined the determination, excitement and fear of the pioneers who passed through that site.
If you have made the drive across Kansas you know how barren and desolate it is. If you have walked or ridden a horse on the prairies of Kansas, you know that Kansas is not flat. The terrain is very challenging. It is inconceivable that families with small children made that journey which lasted months. I am in awe of the mental and physical toughness of those Americans from our very recent past. I am also in awe of the material sacrifices they made. The Fort Leavenworth area is laden with antiques and antique shops. Some towns on the east side of the river are dominated by antique shops.
Why is that? In order for the pioneer family to successfully cross the Kansas prairie, they had to leave the family heirlooms, trunks, pianos and chest behind. Space had to be opened up for food and supplies for the family but the item that was most essential was grain for the teams that pulled the wagon. Care of the team, whether they were oxen, mules or horses was the most important factor. Without them, the wagon and the family were lost. If the team failed, the family was stranded on the prairie and they faced starvation and death. The pioneer also had to take great care of the wagon, a broken wheel or cracked axle meant disaster. Contrary to the movie depictions, the family walked beside the wagon. The women, children and pets walked. The only people who were allowed to ride were the sick and the injured. As soon as they got better, they had to get off and walk. Why? They couldn’t afford to burden the team with the extra weight. The survival and fitness of the team equaled success and survival.
These pioneers also had to count on themselves for protection. They faced many dangers and had no one to protect them from wild animals, Indians and thieves. As a result, they were heavily armed. Firearms were tools just like the axe and the shovel. They didn’t have the government to defend them, feed them or house them. Most of them survived and prospered. The ones who refused to drop the piano off at the river crossing and insisted on taking the extra baggage with them at the expense of food for the team usually failed. The team died or the wagon broke down and they were left in the middle of the prairie to face the winter with no food or shelter. There were no anti-gun advocates on the wagon trail either. Guns were their best friends.
Now look at the country a mere one hundred and fifty years later. We are in the middle of the prairie. The team pulling the wagon (the tax payer) has been pulling hard for years and they are getting tired. The wagon (the government) is loaded down to the railings. It is full and can’t hold any more. The axles are buckling under the strain and the spokes of the wheels are failing. There are some people riding the wagon that need to be there. They are the old, the sick and the unfortunate (social security, Medicare and temporarily unemployed). Unfortunately for the team, there are far too many who are on the wagon that shouldn’t be there. They have been on the wagon for generations and never plan to get off.
When the team dies, they will sit with the wagon until it rots and someone comes to save them. If a savior never shows up, they will die in place feeling sorry for themselves until their last breath.
So here we are in 2009. The team is faltering under the strain and it looks like they can’t pull the wagon much further. There isn’t much more they can give. The wagon is maxed out. The people on the wagon refuse to get off, in fact they demand more even when their doom is staring them in the face. The snow clouds are gathering and it looks bleak.
At least settlers in wagon trains were sometimes saved by the cavalry. Our so called leaders just arrived on the scene and put a 100 ton mill stone (stimulus package) in the wagon.
We are stuck here for the next two winters.
bqueen 02.21.09 at 10:57 am
#4 should be a PROWL! SO MANY REASONS the “kill Hillary” sites should shut down. Even if the idiots don’t understand sexism, misogyny, bigotry, maybe they can understand national security. FBI should be on this as well as anything homeland security related!
Mark Zuckerberg is the CEO of Facebook.
Here’s his contact info (from the White Pages):
156 University Ave
Palo Alto, CA 94301-1631
(650) 853-1300
scarlet 02.21.09 at 10:57 am
GOP late to the party in condemning deficit spending
Republicans opposed to the Obama administration’s fiscal stimulus bill fretted noisily about ’spending money we don’t have’ and ‘passing a burden on to our grandchildren.’
Their concern for fiscal prudence is laudable, but not credible, given the past 60 years. While Republicans had a deserved reputation for fiscal probity from Lincoln through Nixon, their contempt for balanced budgets since 1981 is at the root of our national debt problems.
The big increases began with Ronald Reagan who, like Franklin Roosevelt, was elected on a platform of stopping his predecessor’s reckless spending. Nearly 24 percent of our current debt comes from his presidency. George H.W. Bush contributed another 13.6 percent and Bill Clinton added 4.8 percent.
George W. Bush is the champ, however. More than 36 percent of the total came from deficits between his first budget year, fiscal 2002, and February 2009.
Remember that presidents are not dictators. They don’t control taxing and spending. They can only propose legislation and then sign or veto whatever bills Congress passes.
So while the three most recent Republican presidents oversaw deficits equal to nearly 74 percent of our debt, they should not bear all the blame alone.
The larger irony is that many of the congressional Republicans most vocal in recent weeks about the perils of deficit spending were among the most enthusiastic supporters of lower taxes and higher spending since 1981. Their sudden conversion to fiscal rectitude is dramatic, but not very convincing.
http://www.twincities.com/lotterman
bqueen 02.21.09 at 11:02 am
Headclunker #8: Amazing – ONN (cnn) reports it as being around 65%…
murphy 02.21.09 at 11:06 am
i beg to differ bqueen #24, this is a NEW low.
check out his Disapproval Rating: 41% a NEW high
and his Strongly Disapprove is a NEW high: 28%
jackass.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
Headclunker 02.21.09 at 11:09 am
Guess What? The ODNC is having MONEY PROBLEMS!
BO closed 2008 with $15.5 million Cash on Hand and the DNC shows $5.2 million. But there are those $30 million or so in illegal campaign contributions that BO has. And who knows how many the Victory Fund and the DNC itself have. Well, apparently BO and the ODNC are fighting about who is going to pay the bills:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1441157,CST-NWS-rally20.article
Rat Fight! Rat Fight!
bqueen 02.21.09 at 11:14 am
Murph: my response #24 was sarcastic. CNN propaganda as usual.
Headclunker 02.21.09 at 11:15 am
Bqueen #24
Those are some number games. The Rasmussen Approval Index is the margin between those that strongly approve and those that disapprove. The overall approval that CNN is reporting is just all those who approve, both strong and not, i.e. those who do not disapprove.
Rasmussen reports the comparable CNN statistic as 57% today (Total Approve)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
FLBarbara 02.21.09 at 11:21 am
Sunshinelvr
Last night you mentioned The Muslim Brotherhood in comments.
They are the most evil of all evil.
Their creed is
Allah is our objective. The prophet is our leader. The Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.
Sharia Law is their objective worldwide.
They are the masters of female genital mutilation and the submission of women that warrant Honor killings such as stoning to death and beheading.
But what is really scary is that they thrive on governments that are in turmoil. Their ability to fly under the radar is attributed to their ability to operate secretly with ever changing names.
They have an active charitable and welfare wing that attracts members of the failing middle class and students around the world. Believe to be funded by Mid East oil.
They have been in the US since the late 60s where the strategy has been inmates in prisons and the AA community churches were they spread their anti American views and support violence against Israel and the submission of women. They have recently been noticed on college campus recruiting community service volunteers or Dawah which means “To do special work”
I met many Brotherhood on the campaign trail registering voters. Acorn?
This is evil, violent evil as Osama Bin Laden was a member.
I Hope you find this of interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood
admin 02.21.09 at 11:22 am
i know bqueen, was just joshin.
57% approval is pretty high. but it’s way down from his high.
and it’s got nowhere to go but down down down down down.
bqueen 02.21.09 at 11:23 am
Headclunker: ? I ignore all approval ratings, personally. I was simply remarking that CNN purports his approval rating as being high. And of course we know CNN is Obi’s megaphone.
scarlet 02.21.09 at 11:31 am
Antiwar Rep. Waters to pressure Obama on Afghanistan
POSTED February 20 2009 11:03 PM BY Christina Bellantoni
It’s not very often news breaks on HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher, but the season premiere Friday night did just that.
Rep. Maxine Waters, a California Democrat who co-founded the Out of Iraq Caucus, told Maher she is concerned about President Obama’s announcement he is sending 17,000 more troops and support to Afghanistan.
She was a Hillary Clinton backer during the primary fight, but said lots of complimentary things about Obama on Maher’s show until she started talking about Afghanistan.
Waters said the members of Congress’ Progressive Caucus plan to tell Obama about their fears.
http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/bellantoni/2009/Feb/20/antiwar-rep-waters-to-pressure-obama-on-afghanista/
bqueen 02.21.09 at 11:36 am
Admin: guess I’m still getting to know you
(in Norwegian!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHUf7Uet4g
scarlet 02.21.09 at 11:43 am
Obama Escalates Drone Strikes Inside Pakistan
Strikes Increase in Number, Severity in Recent Weeks
Posted February 20, 2009
President Barack Obama made clear his desire to launch attacks onto Pakistani soil early in the campaign, and in his first month since taking office it has become evident that is escalating the number and severity of the attacks using drone aircraft well beyond what the Bush Administration’s attacks in its final several months in office.
Two major strikes have been launch in the past week, in the South Waziristan and Kurram Agencies of Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas. The attacks killed 30 and 31, respectively, and both appeared to target militants affiliated with Baitullah Mehsud.
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/02/20/obama-escalates-drone-strikes-inside-pakistan/
DancesWithPumas 02.21.09 at 11:44 am
FBI Contacts
http://www.fbi.gov/contactus.htm
FBI Internet Crimes
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
DancesWithPumas 02.21.09 at 11:51 am
oh fuck… nothing like starting my morning with yet another insulting smack down of the left by none other than KarenWI. Karen, maybe it’s time for you to have a nice steaming hot cup of stfu.
Rancho 02.21.09 at 11:53 am
I just received this, this morning. I don’t know if someone has already posted.
Maybe put your “tin foil” hat on before reading!, but I found it a bit though provoking.
http://www.infowars.com/rep-kanjorski-550-billion-disappeared-in-electronic-run-on-the-banks/
just checking in . . . bbl (family needs)
bqueen 02.21.09 at 12:07 pm
Dances thanks for #35!
At my own peril, I realize, I have to say yet again how glad I am to be an INDEPENDENT because anything else is just embarrassing! Just got this in a GOP email:
Just yesterday, Franken began to call himself “Senator-Elect”… even though Minnesota state law prohibits anyone from taking office until all legal challenges have been concluded!
Reid is even more blunt, telling reporters that “Norm Coleman will never ever serve [again] in the Senate”… even though a fair, accurate and honest accounting of every vote has yet to be determined!
I’m INDEPENDENT!
bqueen 02.21.09 at 12:10 pm
Dances start your morning with this (lots of SOS Hillary vids):
http://www.state.gov/video/
mountainsong 02.21.09 at 12:11 pm
I just gotta love left/right controversy first thing in the morning. By providing stimulus incentive to go workout it contributes immensely to my good health. I love it! BBL
KarenWI 02.21.09 at 12:12 pm
DWP, that article is talking about socialism… and how O is bringing it here. That is something that we MUST NOT ignore. Oblahblah is bringing socialism to our country, and this shows just how few of our citizens even understand what it is, much less how dangerous it is for us.
Strangely enough, I am not doing personal attacks against you- why must you continue to do them against me almost every time I post anything? I thought bringing personal attacks was against the rules in here. I don’t remember reading that personal attacks are wrong “unless they are against KarenWI”.
bqueen 02.21.09 at 12:15 pm
WTH??(that’s what the hell cuz I don’t use the f…)
Isn’t this Hillary’s or “the President-Select’s” job?
Karzai, Pelosi talk counter-terrorism, reconstruction
Carols Haka 02.21.09 at 12:22 pm
Murphy – I am soooooooooo excited!
I declared he would be in the 40’s approval rating by the end of February!
7 days, 8 points – And, I am willing to bet if the poll were not skewed, he would already be there! WoooHooo!
CAROL HAKA
DancesWithPumas 02.21.09 at 12:25 pm
I’m not a morning person. It takes me a couple of hours to build up my tolerance (read:ignore) right-wing nuts, passive-aggressive or otherwise.
As far as those who are above the fray in a faux-holier-than-thou sort of way, whatcha say we start posting some of your behind the scenes email? Then people can see who you really are, if they’re not already onto you.
ciao for niao
waterpanther 02.21.09 at 12:32 pm
Karen, Obama is not a socialist, and he’s not bringing socialism to the United States. He’s a neo-con, as his admiration of Ronald Reagan and his adoption of Bush/Cheney policies makes clear.
Detest him all you want. But detest him for what he is, not for a myth created by right-wing squawkers at sites with no more intellectual depth than Free Republic or Democratic Underbelly.
KarenWI 02.21.09 at 12:36 pm
Behind the scenes email? I’m sending the same things “behind the scenes” as I am here. Well, I’m not posting the things I’m posting on my eye disease support group board. However, I haven’t actually been emailing much at all the past couple months now, and the few I’m sending non-eye disease are the same as what I’m posting here.
If you’re referring to posts more than 2 months ago, when you inadvertently received some from a group I’m in where we were talking about the “nuclear family”- rest assured there are democrats who think the same way as I do. That doesn’t make me “evil” in any way, shape, or form, contrary to what you personally may think.
Besides, what I am posting is what should be judged here shouldn’t it? Like I said, the last I heard “personal attacks” were off-limits. That is, unless you rewrote them recently to say “except when against KarenWI”.
KarenWI 02.21.09 at 12:40 pm
waterpanther, what IS socialism? How do you define it that you aren’t seeing what O is bringing us as socialism? Isn’t it when the government rules? Why are there some states right now that are in the process of trying to pass amendments to their state constitutions indicating that the federal government is for the states and not the states for the federal government? Why would they be doing that if they weren’t seeing socialism right around the corner? That isn’t “right wing”…. it’s the truth. Please help me see what you are seeing… tell me how you define socialism and how what O is doing is different.
waterpanther 02.21.09 at 12:44 pm
The interesting thing about the Rasmusen poll is that while the “srongly approves” are holding steady, his “strongly disapproves” are rising, also steadily. 57% TOTAL approval vs. 42% TOTAL disapproval are not good numbers with Bush barely a month out of the White House. If he doesn’t start doing something to get unemployment and the banking boondogle under control, like yesterday, those trends are going to continue.
murphy 02.21.09 at 12:56 pm
waterpanther #48, exactomundo.
nice to see u by the way.
goandersen 02.21.09 at 12:58 pm
waterpanther 02.21.09 at 12:59 pm
Socialism provides basic services through the government. Health care, for instance. Guaranteed higher education for young people who make the grade. Programs like Venezuela’s that make sure everyone has enough to eat and like Sarah Palin’s return of oil royalties to the people of her state. Resources belong to everyone, not just to a few. Socialism keeps down the disparity between management and labor. Democratic Socialism spreads the decision-making process across a wider base and extends equal civil rights to diverse populations. Look at the Scandinavian countries. It’s no accident that Iceland is the first modern country to have an openly lesbian head of state. Nor is it any accident that Latin American socialism is bringing once-despised indigenous persons into political power.
What Obama is giving us is more of the runaway capitalism and economic imperiaism we saw under Bush-Cheney. Why do you think Bush Pioneers contributed to him heavily? Why do you think the banks supported him? Why do you think the neo-cons stood back from John McCain and let him lose? Simple answer: Because Obama is one of them.
I’m a socialist by the way, which means I know when I don’t see one.
HP Boston 02.21.09 at 12:59 pm
Karen have a donut!
waterpanther 02.21.09 at 1:01 pm
Hi, Murphy.
Surfacing after three weeks getting my bearings on a new job.
kat in your hat 02.21.09 at 1:15 pm
Obama Energy Secretary Doesn’t Know He is Responsible for Oil Policy
“The day before, reporters asked him about OPEC output levels after a speech to a group of utility regulators. He responded that the issue was “not in my domain.”
Later, in a conference call to reporters, he said his answer reflected “more of my naiveté than anything else.”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/02/20/1803006.aspx
duh.
kat in your hat 02.21.09 at 1:17 pm
what? oh, yeah, forgot. obama is a republican. roflmfao.
murphy 02.21.09 at 1:23 pm
it’s aristocrats versus serfs at this point.
the rest is noise.
popcorn posted,
take it upstairs!
ruffo 02.21.09 at 1:35 pm
Karen WI
Agree with lots of what you say and mostly lurk here, but I do feel you are attacked very hostily for no apparent reason. Many say the same thing but when you say it, seems you get nasty stuff coming your way. Murphy should mediate even though some are her friends.
Obama is a socialist in the worst way and studied Alinsky and was in the New Socialist Party in Chicago. There are even pics of it with his name listed as a member. It is not conjecture. Some just do not want to believe we are on the way there. He is in NO way a capitalist. He is trying hard to squash capitalism by rewarding failure (like his handouts to those who didn’t read the fine print in their mortgages. Ever hear of RENTING?) and taxing those who get somewhere.
You have my sympathy for the way you are constantly attacked and I wonder often why you bother when people on this site seem to think only THEIR opinion is valid.
KarenWI 02.21.09 at 1:38 pm
I disagree… socialism is where the government is taking care of the people such as, like you say, giving healthcare to all- everybody pays in to the government, and then the government tells them what job to do, and what pay to get. This “stimulus package” is the first step towards it. Again, WHY are several states trying to make sure their state constitutions make it clear that the state is NOT under the thumb of the federal government?? The other problem is the statement that O is a republican and that republicans supported him. Most did not. Many repubs stayed home rather than vote for McCain OR him. The few who did support him did so because they (like the dems) swallowed his “different kind of politician” lies and “bipartisan” lie. There are also some repubs who voted him in under the belief that when people got a taste of his socialism they would open their arms for the republicans to return (believe me, I’ve heard from a lot of them who said just this to me). If he was a republican then he’d have no problem getting repubs on his side for the stimulus package. On the contrary, this stimulus package is not only a slap in the face to the republicans, it’s absolutely contrary to everything the republicans think or believe. No, this is the very BEGINNING of socialism, not full-fledged socialism, but the very beginning of it. There will be more and more people getting handouts from the government now; even getting help with their mortgages when they bought houses that were way above their pay. A huge chunk of our country getting government handouts (including illegal immigrants by the way) from the few who ARE working. That is the BEGINNING of socialism. This is NOT republican. I know that many in here have in ingrained in them that all repubs are terrible and that the ultimate insult to hand him would be to call him a repub, but that is grossly incorrect. The republican PARTY (not necessarily GWB) believe in small government, not big government. They believe just the opposite of what O believes, and is doing.
kat in your hat 02.21.09 at 1:50 pm
ruffo #57
yup. and here you have it:
“Documentary Evidence Obama was New Party member”
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/loudon-documentary-evidence-obama-was-new-party-member/
HP Boston 02.21.09 at 2:02 pm
The republican PARTY (not necessarily GWB) believe in small government, not big government. They believe just the opposite of what O believes, and is doing.
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Well where the FUCK are they? Nine fucking years of Republicans entrenched in power and now zilch???
What a fucking fairy tale!!
DancesWithPumas 02.21.09 at 2:02 pm
ruffo 02.21.09 at 1:35 pm Karen WI
Agree with lots of what you say and mostly lurk here, but I do feel you are attacked very hostily for no apparent reason.
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Hello ruffo. ltns
As far as “for no apparent reason”, you probably missed one, or many, of the long list of “I’m leaving and never coming back” comments, where this person uses those opportunities to insult at least half, if not all, of the Pumas on this blog. You’ve probably missed many of her smack-downs of then Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, now Secretary of State, Madam Hillary Rodham Clinton, who, by the way, is a Puma, along with the smack-downs of President William J. Clinton. You’ve probably missed the snarky snide remarks directed at Democrats, and those of us on the left. You’ve, no doubt, missed the derailing of conversation by inserting tracts of christian religious arguements, as well as the threats to other commenters of the punishments her god has in store for the rest of us. No doubt you’ve also missed the pasting of entire articles, despite the violations of copyright and fair use laws; but pasted in spite of that as a way to force feed those articles on those of us who might not take interest if an introductory paragraph with link was posted. You may not have noticed that said commenter seems to think little of insulting others on this blog, but doesn’t hesitate to cry “foul”, “victim”, when Pumas respond in like kind.
Note: This blog was created by and for disenfranchised voters of the Democratic Party, as such, it stands to reason that many of us are Democrats… from centrist to far left. Expect blow-back when we are insulted.
waterpanther 02.21.09 at 2:07 pm
Funny thing, Karen. You say the republican party believes in “small government,” but the two presidents who have most enthusiastically attempted to meddle in the ordinary affairs of ordinary citizens have been Ronald Reagan and George Bush. They’ve also been among the most fiscally profligate. You’re talking about Republican theory; I’m talking about Republican fact. And by the way, I never said Obama was a Republican. I said he was a neo-con, supported by neo-cons, and I stand by that.
If you object to “government handouts,” to people who have lost their jobs, I assume you also object to the “government handouts” to banks, investment companies, oil companies, gazillionaires, etc., in the form of tax breaks on capital gains and inheritances, write-offs, depletion allowances, all those things Republicans have supported for the last several decades? It’s my experience that Republicans have no objection at all to government handouts, as long as they go to the wealthiest 1 or 2 percent.
DancesWithPumas 02.21.09 at 2:15 pm
“… You see, although the Republican Party claims to be the party of “small government”, and many fiscal conservatives vote Republican for that reason, the record shows that the last Republican fiscal conservative president was Richard Nixon. What? Not even Reagan? No. Reagan was no more fiscally conservative than the so much maligned Jimmy Carter.
The following set of charts shows Government expenditures as a percentage of GDP, quarter by quarter since 1947. This method allows us to really know how much money our government is spending, not in dollar terms, which are meaningless, but in relationship to the wealth of the nation.
There are three presidencies during which government expenditures declined significantly: Dwight D. Eisenhower’s, Richard Nixon’s and Bill Clinton’s. Maybe it is just a coincidence that the two presidents that did more to reduce government expenditures were attacked from Congress.”
continued at:
http://thepoliticsofdebt.com/?p=177
DancesWithPumas 02.21.09 at 2:19 pm
Re: #61
Did I mention dragging stale conversations through later blogs ad nauseum?
TrishfromCanada 02.21.09 at 2:23 pm
DancesWithPumas 02.21.09 at 2:15 pm
Nice link, thank you. But be careful posting such things, let’s not confuse anyone with facts
Cinie 02.21.09 at 5:42 pm
For the record, Obama is an Obamacan, when he’s not being an Obamacrat. Those are affirmed members of the corporate-sponsored UniParty born under the auspices of hopey changey bipartisanship.
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