I posted this over at The Confluence earlier this morning and shared it with Murphy as well. Wanted to get an opinion and ideas from everyone here as well. So here it goes:
The Women’s Movement
I have no degree in Women’s Studies. I have learned mostly through my own life experiences. So please take what you want and leave the rest. But recognize what you leave may be what keeps women from fully recognizing the power we hold but never wield. The reason for our failure to wield power is the subjugation of women in this country, which takes many forms. All of them man made.
But, the main reason for the subjugation of women is the failure that results when women seek a political remedy through the political process. Women as members in the political process today have attempted to make life better for women in this country, and it has failed miserably. Not because of the individual woman, but because of the political process. To be a member in the political process you must take a side or have a viewpoint that is contrary to another woman’s viewpoint. The power structure, the man made power structure, thrives on this division to suppress the one commonality. As long as women are busy telling other women how to live their lives, we cannot be free to live our own.
To achieve a political remedy the political submission of women in our political system must end. Women must focus on the commonality. The participation in the political process leads women down a road of division. Until women fully reject the political process to achieve a political remedy, we will remain divided. We must build our own political process. A process, like men, where there is respect for difference of opinion and a respect of one another because of their one commonality, which is they were born male. Women need a process that does not depend on the men and subjugated women who have defined what our roles should be. We need to define our own roles. We know what has kept women in their place. We know the political process seeks to divide and suppress the woman’s voice.
This is not a call of revolution, or it might be in someone’s opinion, it is more a call for women to see things differently. We need a political remedy, yes, but traveling down the avenue through the political process leads to a dead end street. Of course women can hold their own views on a multitude of issues, but one should not lose sight of the one common thread, which is we were born female.
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Stray Yellar Dawg 01.19.09 at 11:22 am
My thoughts on the subject are along the lines of yours…. And of Susan B. Anthony’s:
http://syd4.blogspot.com/2009/01/preparing-your-comebacks-for-51.html
jennforhillary 01.19.09 at 11:25 am
Did anyone see this??
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=118430970513&h=v0MFo&u=JyYKf
I like that quote..”"….the understanding that our new president is a human being, not a messiah…”
indigogo 01.19.09 at 11:53 am
taggles,
You are brilliantly right. Women must claim our own; our own way, our own power, our own destiny.
I honor MLK Jr today, but the more fundamental, historic, universal difference and polarity is the one between man and woman. It should be equal and complimentary, ying and yan. But years of history gone wrong needs to be righted before true understanding and partnership can flourish. It requires a new thinking; a new way of action based on that thinking. It’s a tough road; I applaud you on coming to your progressive, beautiful conclusion.
gojoyknocks 01.19.09 at 12:01 pm
Is Murphy in D.C.?
ipotter 01.19.09 at 12:01 pm
On Robinson’s omission, seems just about right. The people will see what “the one” wants us to see, we will hear what “he” wants us to hear. There are no mistakes in politics, and the censorship has only just begun (IMO).
On the oppression of women, a short I saw on PBS this weekend. It was a clip of an old All in the Family episode where Gloria is arguing that women are more oppressed than blacks. It was said that, basically, that’s ridiculous because blacks have been shackled and forced to work for years as slaves. Gloria comes back with, “And what do you call the kitchen?” Went something like that anyway. Great clip.
taggles1 01.19.09 at 12:13 pm
not sure gojoy, but doubt it.
jenniforhillary 01.19.09 at 12:15 pm
Sheri,
Yes, and no. Women need to realize that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans speak to or about women in a real sense. We are votes, we are resources, we are useful, but we are not real. Our issues, our experiences, and our agendas are not part of their realities other than how we might serve THEIR interests. Until we, as the single largest voting block, realize AND accept this, we are lost.
As far as whether this means a revolution or not, ABSOLUTELY. Women will have to revolutionize both the way they view themselves, the way the view the world, and the way they view men before true change will occur. Women are fine, strong, brilliant, powerful and, for the most part, better than men. We work well with others, we are able to multi-task better, we are more compassionate, and we love more. Women are more resourceful, more resiliant, and have more staying power. For the most part, we want to kill less and save more. We are more expressive and more sharing and we are more forgiving. ALL of these traits make us better leaders. We just have to see this and then make it happen. This is the first revolution that must occur, and this single step might be the hardest to take because the media and men say the opposite of this in order to keep us as second class citizens.
Once we, as women, realize that we are the stronger smarter sex then we set about revolutionizing the world. This begins with changing how we interact with men personally and professionally. This too is a big step but once we know in our brains and feel in our hearts the truth–that we are at the least equal and perhaps even superior–then the second step will be a natural progression. Women will begin to take charge in the personal lives, professionally, and politically. The way we live will be the way we govern, and at this point there might be a chance for the political realm to be a decent place where good things will foster. And from such a place will stem good programs, good governing systems, and a good life for all.
And every single wondrous thing that will happen cannot unless women, as people, start with themselves. The first step to take is ours–I am ready, are you? Let the revolutions begin. I know Martin Luther King would be with us all the way. His dreams and our dreams can be real, it just starts with YOU and ME.
ipotter 01.19.09 at 12:17 pm
Watched “Human Trafficking” last night. Very depressing. It said that after drug trafficking and arms smuggling, the next most profitable is human trafficking (slavery). Eight-hundred thousand women and children are captured and sold into prostitution annually, and the US is the biggest customer. Though the true number has been disputed, it’s obvious slavery is not a thing of the past.
taggles1 01.19.09 at 12:17 pm
thank you indigogo. do you have any particular ideas on some small ways we can begin.
bmw60 01.19.09 at 12:17 pm
So the solution is for more women bonding and defining what a woman’s role should be. Not a man’s view of what a woman should be but our own. There is much work to be done!!!
liberty belle_never4obama 01.19.09 at 12:18 pm
Hello Murphy, and Moderators – I wanted to post a copy of my letter sent to the NBC Today Show and Doris Kears Goodwin via Email in response to their segment this morning on Pre-Inaugural Events, on as many PUMA blogs as possible. (No Quarter, The Confluence and Uppity Woman were all gracious in posting. Response has been gratifying from others on blog. Of course, waiting to hear from the NBC or Mrs. Goodwin…) Not how I expected to spend my MLK, Jr. holiday, but believe he’d agree – set the history straigt. White folks did help him with Civil Rights, too. Would love to hear from your readers. – Thanks!
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Today Show Producers, Doris Kerns-Goodwin,
You just stated in one half-hour segment (9 a.m.- 9:30 a.m.) that in other Presidential Inaugurals, the “stars”, or glitterati, were not available to the public. You claimed the Obama Inaugural was the first, or unique to do this by having the concert at the Lincoln Memorial, open to the public. That is simply not true. I’m astonished this claim would be made, and by such a celebrated historian as Mrs. Kearns-Goodwin.
You showed a photo, presumably with President-elect Bill Clinton and Michael Jackson with a woman celebrity (?) at an indoor event in 1993 (? – you did not ID with a caption), while your voice-over claimed in previous Inaugurations those were indoor events, not open to the public.
Both the interviewer and Mrs. Kearns-Godwin are old enough to recall sixteen (16) years ago, when then President-elect Bill Clinton and Vice-President-elect Al Gore came to town by bus, up through Virginia, over the bridge to the Lincoln Memorial for an outdoor concert AT the Lincoln Memorial. It was called “America’s Reunion” on the Mall. (I still have the T-shirt, memorabilia, etc.) There were Jumbotron TVs set up down at the Lincoln Memorial for thousands (+100K) to view in 1993, just like planned for this year. The numbers back then would qualify as “throngs”, just like you characterized this year; I know this because it was hard to reach the actual Lincoln Memorial site with all the people packed in. In fact, there may have been more people on the Mall in 1993 compared with yesterday, owing not just to warmer weather, but the following.
During the “America’s Reunion” event in 1993, in contrast to this year, there were numerous tents and venues set up for entertainment up and down the length of the Mall, with hundreds of thousands of people milling about during those days before the Clinton-Gore inauguration. It was free, and open to the public. In other words, the “stars” WERE accessible to the public. You claimed that had not been the case before, and particularly insinuated as much by posting on-screen the photo of President-Elect Clinton at an indoor event with Michael Jackson & company. Actually, there was much more real entertainment on the Mall throughout the day in 1993 (e.g., live musical performances) – not just “stars” or actors showing up to do readings in 2009 at the Memorial. I recall a great variety and diversity of people and performers, or different colors, musical styles , etc. sixteen years ago as well. In other words, the variety of entertainment was just as representative as has been claimed for this year’s event, perhaps more so. Depends on the commentator, or judge of diversity for America at any given time.
E.g., Depending on how you want to judge “diversity” and “representative” or America – if you hate the Blue Grass Music they had back 16 years ago, and deem it irrelevant, or not “Hip” for this “scene”, then I guess it’s one category that you would scoff and guffaw at, or discount entirely. I also saw Folk Music at “America’s Reunion”, as I was thrilled to squeeze into the packed tent to see Peter, Paul and Mary. You may likewise dismiss Peter, Paul and Mary as a bunch of old, fuddy-duddy Folkies! But if you didn’t know, or appreciate the fact that P, P & M played at the Lincoln Memorial for the March on Washington in August 1963, before Dr. Martin Luther King’s “I Have A Dream” Speech, then I submit your history education, and appreciation or their musical contribution through their participation in numerous Civil Rights movement events and marches, is sorely lacking. FYI – Other Folk Musicians did time in jail, arrested right along with other Civil Rights marchers, for protesting – many marching right alongside Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., or in other places, with other less famous leaders of the movement. (E.g., Ask Judy Collins about singing with Fannie Lou Hammer in Alabama in a 1964 after a march for voting rights, in jail.)
Your NBC Today Show segment this a.m. left the impression that the only Inaugural events for Clinton-Gore in ’93 were indoor, for the paying elite, and the only acts were Michael Jackson with Fleetwood Mac (if the photo you flashed included Stevie Nicks). That was simply not true, in terms of events, or performers.
Re: Events – Outdoor Pre-Inaugural Events Open to the Public in 1993 – Again, I will attest this was the case because I was there 16 years ago, and participated, as a citizen. Check with the National Park Service if you want real facts, and real data on both events (1993 “America’s Reunion” and yesterday’s event at the Lincoln Memorial). Otherwise, it seems I have a much better memory of the previous Inaugurations than the NBC Today Show interviewer, producers (who put up the photo or Clinton), and guest historian, Mrs. Kearns-Goodwin. Just curious: was your interviewer and Mrs. Kearns-Goodwin also in Washington, D. C. sixteen years ago for that Inaugural? I’d be willing to bet at least your historian was there, providing commentary.
Please correct this error in your presentation today, or ASAP, and don’t keep repeating the falsehood.
Regards,
(Removed to protect ID)
P.S. – I’m exceedingly disappointed that you would seek to discredit former President Clinton, and perhaps others, to promote our current President-Elect. To do it with a falsehood compounds the disappointment. It’s totally unnecessary for your interviewer and guest historian to re-write and omit history the way you did this morning, and dissuades people from wanting to view your network for Inaugural coverage. Ratings matter, right?
bmw60 01.19.09 at 12:19 pm
Women need to have that, but with the role men play in our lives. We are not view men as our allies, so how do they fit in. I personally like a man in my life. What now?
taggles1 01.19.09 at 12:22 pm
I was hoping for a response like that Jenny!
Yes I am ready!
The political process is not our friend, it is patriarchic and seeks only to divide us for their own power. Women’s groups that want to be part of the political process by power mongering with the patriarchy are not our friends either. They will need to conform.
We will have to criticize them. Not the individual women, but the institutions they represent that allow women to be used as tools of the patriarchy.
Did I say that Yes I Am Ready!
taggles1 01.19.09 at 12:23 pm
who said anything about throwing out the man in your life bmw?
jenniforhillary 01.19.09 at 12:28 pm
okay….we’ve got two…let’s go get the other 50 million
and YEP any one who panders is an enemy to the cause (I am excluding Hillary because I believe her agenda must be one I cannot fathom)….working to revolutionize things for women is not going to be popular, people will NOT like you, and it is not for the faint of heart. That being said, the future of the world may rest in our hands so we better be up for it!
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 12:29 pm
I’m going to need some elaboration. Need a political process outside of current one?
Do you want to be separatist? Are you talking about strict separatism?
I checked out the Confluence thread on this:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/to-achieve-political-remedy/
If you want a revolution or a new radicalism to this third wave, then women should not work for men’s political campaigns, women’s groups should never endorse male candidates, and women should not ever vote for men, and only vote for women–no matter their party.
At least five women need to become the face and voice of feminism in the media. And I mean constant. Think of Al Sharpton’s media/ protesting career (no, I don’t like that man).
If you want equal pay and the ERA then that means that women need to stand and protest in DC everyday, like the suffragists of the past. Women need to protest continuously. In the streets and in the media.
Heavy advertising in magazines and newspapers. Commercials. Billboards. Graffiti/ Posters. Flyers.
Need to research all the ways women’s rights activists succeeded in the past and emulate that.
If you own a business, you better make sure it’s at least 51% women.
Women could also only go to woman doctors, etc, support woman directors and authors and artists, only buy non-sexist advertising products, buy made by woman products. Only give to girls and women’s charities.
Is this what you want?
Headclunker 01.19.09 at 12:31 pm
I am not sure if I do not agree or I do not understand. The basic concept of a support group as a positive influence is something we obviously need. However, I am not fond of exclusive groups. The answer to discrimination is not reverse discrimination. I have a high preference for inclusion and diversity.
The redefinition of the roles women have in our society is long over due. The manner in which the BO administration has been trying to redefine them makes me want to barf. I am a square peg being pushed into a round hole. Or maybe a round peg being pushed into a square hole that is less than my diameter. No deal.
I recently had some controversy at work with my supervisor, an autonomous white male. He is distressed by the economy and his personal life and become more autonomous than usual. So I am getting my head clunked again. I do not want to lose my job. I do not want him to, either. However, I will not back down. I told him in no uncertain terms that he is not entitled to dismiss my opinions as arguments because I am a woman (amongst other things). He needs to go find someone else to subjugate.
Same old shit. I have been here before and done this so many times. It usually costs me my position or even my employment. Whatever the outcome, I will learn how to deal with it better this time and be more centered and prepared for the next fight. But I am just one. There must be many more and we must share our experience, strength and hope for progress.
A system that subjugates half it’s population is a failure before it starts. The inclusion of women is generally regarded as an indicator of how sophisticated, progressive and healthy a society is. More than the indicator, we are the cause. The hollow promises of Barack Obama and other like him will remain unfulfilled. Nothing will change for the better without respect and inclusion of women. We are the promise.
gojoyknocks 01.19.09 at 12:35 pm
liberty belle #11…Way to go.
ipotter 01.19.09 at 12:36 pm
#17 Brilliant!
Lin4Hill 01.19.09 at 12:38 pm
libertybelle_never4obama – you’re SMOKIN !!!!!
Give it to them, right between the eyes.
taggles1 01.19.09 at 12:38 pm
Headclunker, women should not participate in a political system and beg for small solutions from the very people who are witholding equality. It is corrupt.
We also must demand a political remedy, but not through the very system that has proven over and over again its unwillingness to afford women equality.
A woman’s movement must be exclusively for women. Branching out will cause the diminishment of the core goal. Which is equality for women.
taggles1 01.19.09 at 12:41 pm
Kat, you are on to something.
The best way to secure a victory is to emulate past success.
taggles1 01.19.09 at 12:42 pm
ps, i should state that these are the opinions of taggles and do not necessarily represent the opinions of the owner of this website.
This is some food for thought.
bqueen 01.19.09 at 12:44 pm
Just posted you this response at RD:
Tags, I hear what you’re saying. But I don’t agree with this:
“A process, like men, where there is respect for difference of opinion and a respect of one another because of their one commonality, which is they were born male.”
because I’m not convinced that men respect one another. I think they’re actually pretty mean to each other!
Also, although your disclaimer at the beginning of your post fits to RD’s disdain for certain women with women’s studies backgrounds, I’d like to point out:
Women’s Studies is still in its infancy. Women have had to fight long and stupid battles with university reptiles in order to create Women Studies programs. I myself took one of the very first Women in Art History classes offered in the US and my instructor had to face ridicule and work like hell to convince her university to allow her to teach that one, breakthrough course. I still remember how a male illustration instructor remarked at my pro-GLBT advert that I was spending too much time in her class; one of the most important classes I ever took.
Stick together, right on. We need to bring about change within and outside of politics.
taggles1 01.19.09 at 12:48 pm
bqueen you read way to much into my “disclaimer”. I was just pointing out that I am a woman with no special schooling, only my life experience. I hold no disdain for Women’s Studies Programs.
And I will disagree with you on the your male/respect point. Men do hold and give a certain amount of respect to other men that they do not afford women.
MKfromLA 01.19.09 at 12:51 pm
OFF-TOPIC – I just posted this over in the Prop Hate forum –
Tom Hanks’ comments about the Mormon church and Prop hate —
http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/hanks-bashes-mormons-prop-8-advocates/309219
“At Wednesday night’s ‘Big Love’ premiere party, Tom Hanks made his feelings about the Mormon Church’s involvement in the passage of California’s Prop 8 very clear, calling those against gay marriage “un-American.”
Ironically, Hanks serves as the executive producer of HBO’s controversial show, which focuses on a modern-day polygamist living in Utah with his three wives.
“The truth is this takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen,” he told FOX.
“There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them. … “
LJSNAustin 01.19.09 at 1:01 pm
O/T….did anyone see the comic in yesterday’s newspaper called “Candorville?” You can see it in all its loveliness (puke warning!) at http://candorville.com. Please tell me that’s not a picture of Elizabeth Cady Stanton posed as an Obama supporter!!!
murphy 01.19.09 at 1:04 pm
not in DC.
Should be though — with some “silent sentinel” pumas like Kat described.
I think Taggles was merely pointing out that she doesnt have “credentials” like most women.
I agree with you bqueen — the changes in curriculums at colleges were essential, and hard won. it burns my oatmeal that so many women’s studies programs were forced to change their name to “gender studies.” now that’s political correctness run amok.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 1:06 pm
I’m going to be straight with you, I think that women and even pumas are too tied into issues.
Women on here are still saying they are democrats and republicans/ conservative/ liberal. The party system is a bs construct, especially when there are over a ton of differing political philosophies. (Not just two: repub/ dem)
I usually say I am in between. I think a woman’s movement has a real chance without being connected to parties or political labels. DROP the parties and be your own person who can work for and against both parties.
I’d like for the “faces” of the new feminist movement to be centrist Independents who have the shrewd stance that they are for women and the numbers of women. That’s IT. They want 51% representation. They want fair and equal pay. They want to end sexism in the media. They want the ERA. They want equality for all women.
I think it would be radical if women shelfed their compartmentalizing of issues: abortion rights/ pro-life/ lesbian/ straight, etc.
Just *WOMEN*…all women, all races, all political ideologies, all ages, all sexual orientations, etc.
It’s old school for women feminists to get on tv and talk about abortion. Or liberalism. It’s old school for lesbians to sit there only talking about lgbt rights.
The point is that all women should be for all women.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 1:12 pm
oops, I meant “shelved” etc
meh.
taggles1 01.19.09 at 1:12 pm
I think we are on the same page Kat.
I believe we should basically shelf every other issue as well and focus on the real reason for our subjugation, our femaleness.
You can’t throw the baby out with the bath water and not use other tactics that have worked for past movements. The problem with past movements is that they ceased to represent women and began to represent themselves with the washington power brokers. They are an extension of Washington DC.
bqueen 01.19.09 at 1:18 pm
Taggles: RD recently wrote a piece criticizing women who had Women’s Studies backgrounds (my ad-lib). No one needs a background in Women’s Studies to write a feminist article, so it’s completely unnecessary to announce the absence of a WS background.
I didn’t write that you hold a disdain for WS. But your disclaimer reinforces RD’s past reference (Ms. mag article – I am hearing “We don’t need no women’s studies” to the tune “We don’t need no education”…)
As for the men… I don’t think I would call it respect… It’s akin to some type of animal behavior that I wouldn’t classify as cognitive…
I don’t have a better word right now tho…
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Murph: I owe you a public apology and explanation. It will be forthcoming when I have time to write a thought-out response.
jenniforhillary 01.19.09 at 1:18 pm
Kudos Kat to nailing it on the head.
Women should be for women.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 1:19 pm
or, lol. I was just thinking of a five woman feminist crew on tv. Wouldn’t it be something to see an uber liberal woman/ uber conservative woman/ lesbian/ an elderly woman/ a young woman.
Mix them all up. Or even throw in a few feminist men in with them.
I need to see some new faces in the media. Need to see something new.
bmw60 01.19.09 at 1:20 pm
Why is there women’s studies//// I don’t ever see men’s studies in Universities. We need to be inclusive and study humanity… get to the core of the problem, which I believe is not having respect for others… no matter what the color or gender
bmw60 01.19.09 at 1:21 pm
Anyway… gotta go… catch up with the conversation later.
jenniforhillary 01.19.09 at 1:21 pm
Headclunkler…Yes, hell yes, and maybe YOU need to open your own business because YOU need to be in charge…
jenniforhillary 01.19.09 at 1:22 pm
bmw60…you are MISSING the point big time!!!
Men’s studies is what is going on now. Women’s studies would be new. AND FUCK inclusivity we will NOT doctor up or paint over the fact that WOMEN must be in the forefront, on top, in charge, and that CANNOT change…
bmw…read some books by Andrea Dworkin….she opened my eyes 15 years ago and she might be useful to you
jenniforhillary 01.19.09 at 1:24 pm
oh, and FUCK tom hanks. Polygamy is just another word for Misogyny and these cults basically just rape young girls and women and enslave them. What happened in Texas was a tragedy and if they were doing to BLACKS what they are doing to WOMEN it would be a federal perhaps international crime…instead of religion…
FUCK ‘EM ALL…every last one….and free the girls NOW!!
admin 01.19.09 at 1:28 pm
bqueen, wha! huh?
admin 01.19.09 at 1:30 pm
i heart jenni.
off-topic, but fyi — obama made more money than the movie Titanic.
annier78 01.19.09 at 1:30 pm
Hello PUMA’s. Just checking in since I haven’t been around in a while. Gotta catch up real quick.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 1:31 pm
Have you ever seen a feminist panel on tv that looked like this: young white woman, middle-aged black woman, elderly asian woman, hispanic little girl, bi-racial baby girl alone in baby chair next to white middle aged man, with young black man, and elderly hispanic man? Throw in a tatted up punk girl too. I’ve never seen that. I’m just saying. lol.
admin 01.19.09 at 1:33 pm
heh. arthur silber is funny.
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2009/01/imperial-pageantry-for-moronically.html
“I’m sure that other empires in their final phase of decline exhibited similar signs of complete intellectual collapse, combined with ungraspably trivial sentimentality that would embarrass a four-year-old of average intelligence. But the determined refusal to face facts, including the foundational fact that Obama is a singularly dangerous fraud, in tandem with Americans’ love of political philosophy and ideas in general as expressed in a Hallmark card may well be unmatched in history.
To those of you so devotionally intent on celebrating this historically historic moment in history, as you accuse those few of us who are still capable of speaking in full sentences with actual referents of being “cynical” and shockingly lacking in what you so irresponsibly and reprehensibly call “idealism”: Have a moronically good time, morons.”
taggles1 01.19.09 at 1:39 pm
kat, very rarely do I see any feminist panel on tv. would be nice to see one as you describe.
tatepuma 01.19.09 at 1:41 pm
Libertybelle- thanks for setting the record straight, I was in the DC area in 1993 and the many events on the MAll were eventful, free, and inspiring. When will the media stop this KING worshipping, guess not any time soon, that’s where there needs to be change, change to fair and balanced reporting not mesmerizing the public with incorrect data.
Kat—I agree– I believe we should just be women fighting for our cause and leave party titles behind, they do not at this time IMO serve any specific purpose, what was is gone, it ended last year in the primaries.
jenniforhillary 01.19.09 at 1:41 pm
annie…SO MUCH IS GOING ON!!
Join an action team, bond by blogging, donate money so we can overthrow dumb AND evil, or just lurk and read and be inspired
admin 01.19.09 at 1:45 pm
here’s the rub, and I think it speaks to Taggles’ post: women’s studies, women’s rights, hell feminism even — have all been ghettoized. we’re the majority of the population and we are treated like a minority. it’s insane.
dwp said a couple weeks ago something like, “you’d think “women” was a rare tribe of a few hundred living in isolation on some remote continent, studied by a few dedicated anthropologists . . .”
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 1:46 pm
#44
admin:
So true. good stuff.
jenniforhillary 01.19.09 at 1:48 pm
Dances…the heart and many times the brain of Puma…
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 1:48 pm
tatepuma #46
Yes, def. drop the parties and stop thinking of them as good or bad or this or that.
Who made the “parties” anyway?
OlivkaScott 01.19.09 at 1:56 pm
Great article Taggles. I also believe that this goes way back even further to the area of religion. When you can not visualize women as your spiritual head, it is tough to do the same politically and in other important areas of life. This is one area with the highest and most institutionalized glass cielings. If fact, I believe all other glass cielings derive from this.
BTW I have had my TV off since yesterday and actually getting a lot done. Can not stand the mindless waste of resources.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 1:56 pm
If every woman dropped their party (if both parties didn’t fall apart)…then the repubs and dems would equally fight for women’s vote. All it would come down to is: who is offering women more? And if they care about the survival of their party, then they would need to have more woman candidates, otherwise they won’t get the votes.
Heidi’s 51% idea is good and if women really understood the #’s and what it means, we would get equality faster.
Truth is, we are majority, and in a logical world, the men would be treated (good or bad) as the minority that they are.
ipotter 01.19.09 at 2:01 pm
Ayers denied entry into Canada:
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/573462
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 2:04 pm
Did anyone ever think of following and contacting the modeling agencies that put out their models to do sexist/ misogynist modeling in ads?
Anyone ever think of contacting acting schools with an open letter addressed to women to think hard about accepting that role of 3 minutes on screen as a naked crack-whore getting killed by a serial killer? Likewise for the men: is it that important to act like a perv patron in a strip joint? A non-speaking role? eh.
Anyone ever think of contacting the actual ad agencies of sexist and misogynist ads instead of just the sponsors and companies that put out the ads.
jus’ sayin’
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 2:04 pm
dwp said a couple weeks ago something like, “you’d think “women” was a rare tribe of a few hundred living in isolation on some remote continent, studied by a few dedicated anthropologists . . .”
You know, its kind of like that’s how Hillary’s campaign felt to me early on. it was like this underground thing where you had a few people REALLY out there for her and everyone was very hush and shhhhhhhhh about it. I feel it took hillary standing up and saying send money and follow me because we’re going all the way!
mountainsong 01.19.09 at 2:06 pm
taggles1 01.19.09 at 12:48 pm Having lived in both worlds, I have to disagree about “men holding a certain amount of respect to other men” and “than they do to women”. On what do you base such an assumption?
Men lack respect for each other all over the place. Except for respect for everyone’s “right” to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness, respect has to be earned among men AND women. Inequity is not a respecter of persons, nor of sexes or gender.
Rain falls on everyone.
The squeaky wheel may get the grease, but people who make demands without a big stick to back them up are generally laughed at and ridiculed everywhere.
Anna Belle 01.19.09 at 2:07 pm
Alice Paul started the National Women’s Party in 1913, and it was different than any other political party, not just because it was for women, but also how it operated. It was instrumental in getting the 19th Amendment passed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Women%27s_Party
http://www.sewallbelmont.org/
I agree with many of your thoughts, taggles. I just don’t think we have the option of opting out unless we’re really talking revolution. I’m not ready for that yet. The process of inclusion has been long, but it is working, and we really can thank the Constitution for that. In less than 240 years every adult has the right to vote, and in the long run, things get better for every oppressed group. That’s why I have hope for the future, even though I recognize that, like you said, we need to create a political space for women because we still have so far to go.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 2:08 pm
ipotter #54
HA!!
Go Canada!
mountainsong 01.19.09 at 2:10 pm
kat in your hat ~~ I think you make excellent points and, proactively, think “outside the box”.
mountainsong 01.19.09 at 2:11 pm
Now if Canada would just bar entry to Obama……….it’s a daydream, I know….but it’s sweeter than the realities.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 2:12 pm
clintondemocrat #56
ah yes. At first I was like: (go hillary yay)..then I was like: HILLARY 08 BABY C’MON!!!!
(lol)
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 2:12 pm
kat
OlivkaScott 01.19.09 at 2:15 pm
kat in your hat (29).
In 100% agreement with you. This matter goes beyond party or politics, or even individual.
HeadClunker (17).
Agree. Division and reverse discrimination will not lead to 60 million votes. As long as we also can not compromise certain foundational principles. Need smart, inclusive, and positive ways to go about with message and action.
These are issues I am still trying to wrap my mind around though new to to see where I can personally do more towards many of our very pressing objectives. Specific suggestions are very important and many here have contributed some and I expect things to take shape even more firmly as we progress.
TrishInCanada 01.19.09 at 2:16 pm
ipotter 01.19.09 at 2:01 pm
Ayers denied entry into Canada:
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/573462
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lol nice to know the boarder guards are awake this week, i hope they check Bo’s passport at customs
ipotter 01.19.09 at 2:18 pm
Men respect big sticks, and women are not born with a stick in their hand, or any place else for that matter.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 2:19 pm
#60 why, thank you mountainsong.
bmw60 01.19.09 at 2:22 pm
I left a comment… thanking the border guards in Canada and telling the Centre for Urban Studies they were lucky not to have Ayers talking there. He preachs nothing but rebellion and is not sorry at all for his past
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 2:24 pm
if you all turn on CSPAN2 right now, they’re discussing some of the same issues that we are right now
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 2:24 pm
I need to read whole article. Ayers gets off plane in Canada, and then Canada is like: Nah, you SUCK, get the hell out of here. And they throw him back onto a plane to the states? roflmao!
mountainsong 01.19.09 at 2:27 pm
ipotter 01.19.09 at 2:18 pm Men also respect things like honesty, honor, integrity, courage, empathy. The men I know would fight at the drop of a hat over someone disrespecting their mothers, sisters, daughters, wives……
But, like my elder, I don’t hang out with assholes.
TrishInCanada 01.19.09 at 2:28 pm
lol Ayers says if it was him he’s let himself cross the border lol i bet he would.
He should have read the fine print, no terrorists no matter how many years ago
And Canada is still feeling the pain from the terrorists using its borders with regard to 911, we’ve tightened up our borders since then
bmw60 01.19.09 at 2:28 pm
******** ON ANOTHER SUBJECT ***********
ACORN: OBAMA’S GANGSTAS ON BAILOUT DOLE
Obama is going to make Tammany Hall look like a convent.
ACORN to get money from Obama Stimulus Yid with Lid
The Democrats are rewarding ACORN for their fine Illegal work by
throwing some cash their way in the Obama stimulus plan:
Looks like the infamous ACORN (Association of Community Organizations
for Reform Now) that was caught up in voter fraud in 2008 will be in
the running to get some funding (pages 72-73 of the report.) The bill
provides for $10 million for the SHOP program. The funding will
provide competively awarded grants to national and regional nonprofit
housing organizations to develop or rehabilitate low-income housing.
There is plenty of more funding that will no doubt find its way to
ACORN coffers like the $1 billion for Community Development Block
Grants or the $4.1 billion for the Neighborhood Stabilization Program.
Source Swine Line
ACORN is working hard for their money, this “non-partisan”
organization is already campaigning for the stimulus:
For three weeks now ACORN members have been aggressively pursuing a
campaign to pass a bold, progressive Economic Recovery package in the
new Congress. Working closely with allies like US Action, AFSCME, and
the larger Americans United for Change coalition, ACORN members are
taking a major role in building the coalition to pass this recovery
package, and to create the context for it to be both stronger and more
directly responsive to the situation facing working families across
this country.
Because of reality facing America’s low- and moderate-income
communities, ACORN members and their neighborhoods function as the
canaries in our nation’s economic coal mine. In many cases, our
members are experiencing severe economic dislocation, but, despite
their personal hardship, they are organizing for a progressive
response to the worsening economic situation facing the entire United
States.
Back on December 18, ACORN offices around the country helped launch
the new Campaign for Jobs and Economic Recovery Now (CJERN). These 18
late-December events were all coalition events, featuring a
cross-section of speakers from the community organization, human
services, environmental, labor, and elected-official sectors – we were
proud, for example, to be joined by the mayors of St. Louis and
Oakland on the 18th. Source: Huffington Post.
admin 01.19.09 at 2:31 pm
bmw60– thanks — got a link?
TerryDo 01.19.09 at 2:32 pm
“Women need a process that does not depend on the men “
And the way women accomplish that PROCESS is to get a college and/or university education. Stay in the work field longer and not be so eager to get MARRIED and have CHILDREN before you are even 30 years old.
Women are the biggest subjugators of women and what her role should be (as in when are you getting married, when are you having a baby, when are you going to give up your job), and the same message is also drilled into our psyche via the Religious Dictate “PROCREATION” One would think in an over populated world there would be a Decree of “slow down the process “of Procreation for 21 years!
And as for women’s’ role as a sexual partner, that is natural and good thing, but women have to take that aspect of her sexual energy and control it.
Men and their sexual drives and desires are more active and therein lay the problem for men, they desire sex with women, whenever they want it and with whomever they desire. And because they can’t have it their way, they become angry like spoiled little boys and so they try to dominate, subjugate, and abuse women into their vision of sexual ideal, which ranges from Madonna or a hooker.
So because men are stronger and can over power women, she needs a counter-balance for his brute strength and that is a good effective Taser, designed like piece of fine jewelry.
So, this is what every women should teach her daughter from the age of seven (7) make sure you get a good education, which will result in a good career, do not get marriage until much later in life and always have sexual control over your own body… At least that is what I taught my daughter.
FLBarbara 01.19.09 at 2:33 pm
I agree we need to take a look back in history to see what worked.
The womens movement for the right to vote succeeded because the women understood before you can change anything you need to bring attention to what needs to change. Then many women were unaware of how important it was for them to have the right to vote. So they took to the streets and informed them of the importance of equality. Then they took to the streets and demanded equality. Interesting at that time women were competing with the blacks right to vote. When the 15th amendment giving the blacks the right to vote was up for passage Alice Paul discussed with black leaders that they join forces with the womens movement to ensure ALL citizens the right to vote they refused and the 15th amendment was passed in 1870 giving black men the right to vote but Women were left behind. It took another 50 years of women in the streets for the 19th amendment giving women the right to vote to pass in 1920.
How ironic this election of 2008 when a women was the front runner for President our country once again said NO to the women but YES to the black man.
It is our history as women to be left behind we need to learn from that. Sadly as with the right to vote then we have been left behind with the right to hold the office of Presidency today.
But as Alice Paul said when the 15th amendment was passed, Ladies. there is no one left behind but US now. We must fight on for OUR equality. Take to the streets..Again.
If WE want an amendment giving us equal rights as a part of our constitution then Ladies I say to you there is NO one left behind but us now. You want equality, we must inform that the ERA was written in 1923 by Alice Paul and has never been passed and then we must take it to the streets….Again.
It was what worked.
ipotter 01.19.09 at 2:34 pm
Mountainsong, apparently I do. The men I know love their mothers, daughters, sisters but do not respect them. They are all to eager to put the blame them, the women, if blame is to be had.
ipotter 01.19.09 at 2:34 pm
(meant I hang out with assholes)
TerryDo 01.19.09 at 2:39 pm
“I don’t know why I was turned back,” Ayers said in an interview this morning from Chicago. “I got off the plane like everyone else and I was asked to come over to the other side. The border guards reviewed some stuff and said I wasn’t going to be allowed into Canada. To me it seems quite bureaucratic and not at all interesting … If it were me I would have let me in. I couldn’t possibly be a threat to Canada.”
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I couldn’t possibly be a threat to Canada. An enemy of America is also an enemy of Canada.
And why couldn’t you be a threat to Canada; you were a threat to your own country, you bomb your own government’s building. You Ayers are a terrorists, and just because you got off on a technicality does not mean you have a clean slate.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 2:39 pm
TerryDo #75
“procreation” is how we get little girls and it’s why we are majority–that, and we live longer. But, I know what you are saying.
“And as for women’s’ role as a sexual partner, that is natural and good thing, but women have to take that aspect of her sexual energy and control it.”
That, I do not understand.
bqueen 01.19.09 at 2:42 pm
Taggles: It occured to me: Maybe your comment re no Women’s Studies was a form of modesty or even apologetic… Lincoln had only 1 year of formal education. Yet he never began a speech telling anyone that (I don’t think!)!
admin 01.19.09 at 2:43 pm
righteous gary informs me that markos (the daily Kos) is a homophobe. big surprise. NOT.
http://garychapelhill.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/markos-moulitsas-is-a-hypocritical-jackass/
“Worrying about whether the known homosexual sleeping next to you is watching as you change your underwear may seem trivial as you read this, but to the soldier who’s short-tempered after three weeks in the field and four hours of daily sleep, it becomes a matter of great importance to his pride and sensibilities. “
ipotter 01.19.09 at 2:49 pm
Not unusual to have Women’s Studies and it has been around for quite some time… along with Black Studies, Asian Studies, etc. Women may not be a minority in reality, but we are according to society.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 2:55 pm
FLBarbara #76
Yes, history repeats itself. I agree with whole post. Take it to the streets…Again.
mountainsong 01.19.09 at 2:55 pm
Men who don’t respect women, generally don’t respect themselves, either.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 2:57 pm
mountainsong: #85
I agree.
TerryDo 01.19.09 at 2:57 pm
80
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 2:39 pm
TerryDo #75
“procreation” is how we get little girls and it’s why we are majority–that, and we live longer. But, I know what you are saying.
“And as for women’s’ role as a sexual partner, that is natural and good thing, but women have to take that aspect of her sexual energy and control it.”
That, I do not understand.
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Kat, Her Sexual Energy and Control It:
Meaning a young woman is pressured into sexual relationships too early and she is easily manipulated by BS, and she is easily seduced by pretty words, like I Love You, If you really love me…
She gives in and does not control it, she does not own it, she does not even understand this sexual energy until too late sometimes. That is where her mother should be a great influence for her, I am of course, talking about future mothers who have evolved and are independant and have good self-esteem…
PROCREATION IS HOW WE GET LITTLE GIRLS:
That reminds me of the documentary I saw about China and their desire to only have sons. They have created an over population the country of too many men; that all of a sudden women are a valued comodity, regarding sex and marriage that is.
There are so many men that the government is afraid too many of them will never marry and die a lonely life.
As if mankind knows better than the Creator as to what sex is more desireable than another. They have to open brothels for these excess amount of men and some young women are being kidnapped forced to take drugs become strung out on drugs and sold to brothels.
DancesWithPumas 01.19.09 at 2:57 pm
taggles1 01.19.09 at 12:42 pm
ps, i should state that these are the opinions of taggles and do not necessarily represent the opinions of the owner of this website.
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I think this disclaimer would be more helpful to all concerned if it was at the top of the post, and probably a like kind disclaimer should be posted at the top of all guest posts, to avoid confusion.
bqueen 01.19.09 at 2:58 pm
oldie but goodie post from “herspective”:
http://herspective.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/can-she-get-a-witness/
EWard 01.19.09 at 3:01 pm
liberty belle never4obama #11
Excellent letter to Kearns and NBC!
mlhath 01.19.09 at 3:05 pm
I enjoyed Murphy’s post “MEN”. All true. But men as a whole do not respect women as a whole. They may respect certain women, but not women in general. This same argument used to be used with AA’s. We can accept some AA’s that we know, but not AA’s as a whole.
Most men seem to look at women as “a means to an end”. Men want to get elected, get women to canvass and call. Want children, a home, hot meal? Get married or a find a girlfriend. Want something done in your office, no questions asked? Tell a woman. Want cheap labor, get a woman. Mad that your team lost? Punch your wife. And at all times, never refer to a woman as a woman. That is way too much equality. Always refer to women as girls no matter how old or accomplished. Keeps them in their place.
MLK was successful because he got the black community to boycott after Rosa Parks. Only by witholding goods and services for an extended period of time did whites give in.
I don’t know any other way to make someone notice us than by selectively witholding our goods and services. Whatever they may be.
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 3:10 pm
I am going to have to disagree on the women having to vote for women (although I believe the comment actually was women should be for women).
I did not support Nikki Tinker in the 9th congressional race in TN because for the first reason she is a racist. She used KKK commercials to try to rally black support. Secondly, she was hardly qualified. I instead supported Steve Cohen whom I had met and watched do work in the state legislature and in the US house for a long time.
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 3:14 pm
I think women should look at women candidates first.
I think we should give them a fair shot. But, I think there must be room for women to make up their minds about whether or not to support a female candidate based on history, credentials, type of campaign they are running etc.
What Hillary’s campaign taught me was that I have to look at the women first. I have to give them every single chance to allow me to be a supporter. I have to stand up for them when I do become a supporter or even in the case of this early election regarding Kim Mcmillan in Tennessee, I have to at least be vocal when there is in an inherit bias that eliminates them before things even get started.
So, my thinking has changed. My approach to how I will do things has changed. But, while we have to give women every opportunity, we also have to give each other room to make decisions that may put us working for a man who may be running against a woman
indigogo 01.19.09 at 3:16 pm
#9 – taggles, no suggestions here; you did a great job of articulating a vision. I can see it, but I’m not very good at detailing a path towards success. I think jenniforhillary’s post #7 is wonderful; she outlines differences between the power wielded by women and men. They are controversial words, but truthful. Part of the hurdle is educating people, especially our own daughters, that the power that is uniquely feminine is equally powerful and important as traditional forms of male power, not weak (as the male-dominated culture would have us believe). Women have incredible insight to lead.
I think that if it was Hillary getting inaugurated tomorrow, the attention would be huge, bigger than Obama’s, and deservedly so. The bar is set so much higher for her, for all women in the United States (why has it been so much easier in other countries? Maybe a study of the parliamentary system where women have had more success would be fruitful as another framework?).
I am not a PUMA, but I think that it will take women like PUMAs to ignite the change. Someone has to feel damaged and outraged in order to advance the movement, any movement. I admire you, and respect your rage and what you are doing with that rage. You’re awesomely productive, and will hopefully make a difference. Revolutions are hard; you need the vision and the plan.
I’m just glad to see this issue being raised in the way you addressed it in your post; as something that transcends politics, and has the potential to transform politics.
ipotter 01.19.09 at 3:17 pm
Kind of humorous that when Ayers spoke at a university in Florida on 1/12/09, protesters were not allowed.
http://tallahassee.com/article/20090112/NEWS01/901120316
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 3:18 pm
Terrydo #87
Sure, I think some self control is good for girls (and boys) when it comes to sex, as long as sex is not taught as bad or dirty or wrong or taboo. We are all sexual beings, etc.
And yes, I know about China. They wanted to mess with the natural order. It’s pretty sickening what’s gone on with the pro-boy syndrome.
PUMAbear 01.19.09 at 3:19 pm
Jenniforhillary #2
I like that quote..””….the understanding that our new president is a human being, not a messiah…”
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LOL!!!!
Now I’m confused. How and when did he find THAT out. I”m so disappointed!
EWard 01.19.09 at 3:25 pm
clintondemocrat #92
I agree with your comments that not all women candidates are created equal. Amen to your post!
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 3:37 pm
it is a beautiful day outside, it’s been snowing for about 6 hours. Im going to go get a hot chocolate and watch it
FLBarbara 01.19.09 at 3:37 pm
Again its taking a look back to see what worked.
The civil rights movement was visual marches, protests and boycotts. Those of us old enough to remember the images of the civil rights movement will never forget them..
No one sat back and talked about it they got out there and did something about it let’s learn from history…
Same now AL Sharpton is out there yelling. Where are the women yelling? Every time a woman is beaten battered murdered we should be there yelling our heads off
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You can not teach someone to respect you but you can teach someone if he lays a hand on you he is going to jail.
I for one do not care if HE respects me I respect myself enough for the both of us HE does not have to respect me.. What HE thinks about me does not change on bit about how I feel about myself…
He does not have to respect me. HE does have to pay me equal wages he does have to keep his damn hands off of me and behave civil.
Not going to teach a grown man to respect someone he basically was taught was beneath him,waste of my time and my breath..
But I can demand MY rights as a citizen of this country.
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 3:43 pm
well on this topic, I had a group of us take a somewhat visual stand today during the MLK parade. I went in order to stop the perpetuation of the Obamacratic Party. We were outnumbered with Obamacrats however, I did have people there with signs that said Democrats: Honoring Dr. King and Still striving for the dream
It really took some people off guard because it wasn’t Obama mania and we were at the back of the group so they’re in the middle of screaming “yes we can” and we come by and merely say “Happy Martin Luther King day” and it kind of stopped them in the moment and made them think. Now did we accomplish anything towards the goals that we are talking about, no I don’t think so. But, we got a few people’s attention in that there were people who didn’t think that “the dream had been realized”
admin 01.19.09 at 3:47 pm
nice goin clintondemocrat, got any pics?
FLBarbara 01.19.09 at 3:51 pm
Clintondemocrat
You accomplished your goal and I respect the determined and strong woman you are
Congrats good job
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 3:58 pm
Thank you.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 3:58 pm
clintondemocrat #99
Yes! I just ran to the store, and it is snowing–big fat snowflakes, and heavy. We have several inches now. It’s so pretty.
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 3:58 pm
I’ll go through the photos
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 4:01 pm
you know, I took a lot of photos of other people but not of me and the 2 other Hillary people.
Two women who were clearly Obama people actually picked up two of the signs and carried them. I was surprised.
mlhath 01.19.09 at 4:01 pm
FLBarbara:
No one should be putting their hands on anyone without permission. And we do have certain rights under the law. But that is not enough. And the fact that you or I respect ourselves is not enough. Hillary respected herself. Sarah Palin respected herself. It is not illegal to wear a shirt that says “Sarah P is a c”. And it does not physically hurt anyone. But it was absolutely disrespectful. If either of those women had the respect they deserved, that would never have happened. If Barack Obama had any respect for them, it would not have happened.
Self respect is not enough. It does not get you elected, it does not get you a good job. Someone other than ourselves needs to see our value. And few do. Not even other women.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 4:02 pm
FLBarbara #100
says:
“No one sat back and talked about it they got out there and did something about it let’s learn from history…
Same now AL Sharpton is out there yelling. Where are the women yelling? Every time a woman is beaten battered murdered we should be there yelling our heads off”
You are right about that, yeah!
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 4:03 pm
yeah Kat, I want to go to my favorite coffee shop (yes it’s that national chain) and sit and figure out how to make my Secretary of state pin for tomorrow.
I ordered pins from zazzle but they’re not here yet. I’ve got one of those do it yourself plastic circles where you just put the image in and then snap it closed. I’ve got to find a program that will cut an image into a circle for me so it looks decent
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 4:06 pm
I must admit I am concerned because I think a lot of people inside the party view my presence as that Im “over it.” In fact our party chair actually said to me that I was “growing up.”
We CANNOT and MUST NOT forget this year and we cannot let the leaders forget and I don’t know how to continue to move forward with that message.
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 4:08 pm
I think being involved with EMILY’s List is one step. Im going to continue with the women’s group, too.
I have NOTHING left to do with Democracy for America and I will not seek office within the party structure because that has too many ties that bind that come with it. Of course it validates your presence there too but I think the cons outweigh the pros on being a Dem officeholder.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 4:10 pm
clintondemocrat #110
That sounds like a good project. Maybe get a seat by window to see snow and some hot chocolate. That sounds like a nice time.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 4:12 pm
“That sounds like..” he he.
Well, I mean, that’s what I just did. I ran to the store for a bagel and hot chocolate.
It’s nice just having the music going and watching the snow. I don’t miss TV at all.
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 4:13 pm
Have y’all seen this article today. I watched the speech at 2:30 this morning. I think Hillary and her allies will absolutely continue to serve as our leaders. No, she won’t run for president, but I think she’s going to be around a long time yet, even after the sec of state.
its a beautiful article.
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=48822631705&h=0pXsU&u=Lml2A
ipotter 01.19.09 at 4:14 pm
There’s going to be no room for disagreement, even from fellow Democrats, in That One’s administration.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-obama-army14-2009jan14,0,2211031.story
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 4:17 pm
of course I say she won’t run for president, I really truly honestly think it would be a miracle for her to run. I just get the feeling that she feels like this was it and she did some (if you’ll excuse me for using the bushism) brush clearing of the path for the future. I don’t believe that she or we saw her candidacy ever as that, especially the longer it went and the better she became. But I just don’t see another presidential run from her.
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 4:17 pm
mlhath #108
Yes, you are right, outsiders need to respect women too.
Those “sarah is a c” t-shirts. Those people are just scumbaggy sorts of people. Obviously they lack self-respect. I understand they felt it was ok due to the political climate (media sexism/ guys vs. gals campaigning, etc)…but really, what scumbags. O gets the scumbag vote too, what can I say.
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 4:18 pm
Of course I was a doubter from early on that she would actually run. So, haha, I don’t know anything.
clintondemocrat 01.19.09 at 4:18 pm
Im going to get hot choclate and make my SOS pin.
Later everyone
ipotter 01.19.09 at 4:23 pm
Article about the paparazzi presidency:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4277442/Barack-Obama-plans-a-paparazzi-presidency-to-speak-directly-to-voters.html
jenniforhillary 01.19.09 at 4:27 pm
Emily’s List is AWFUL…they were up on BO like white on rice…
BOO HISS!!
kat in your hat 01.19.09 at 4:27 pm
clintondemocrat:
have a nice time.
ipotter:
yeah, I think that’s a great term for it:
“paparazzi presidency” indeed.
Heneri 01.19.09 at 4:37 pm
As a group, we women must place as our goal the attainment of the White House for one of our own in the next decade. This is what the black Americans did. First they made laws that placed racism in a category all its own:Hate Crimes. Then they pushed and pushed (with the assistance of most of us) for it to be socially unacceptable to bad mouth any black person for any reason. Their leaders pushed, not for equality, but for superiority in political circles.
Women must push for spousal abuse to be hate crime. We must push for sexist, hateful, ugly sentiment and woman bashing to be socially unacceptable. This means that when someone sends us a sexist e-mail about a blond, or a poorly dressed socialite, or some other under the radar sexist thing, that WE IMMEDIATELY REPLY BACK THAT IT IS UNACCEPTABLE AND MOST OF ALL NOT FORWARD IT ON! When someone tells a blond joke, or a joke demeaning women, we must treat it like we treated black and polock jokes a decade or more ago: Immediately say openly that this is unacceptable. When someone bashes Hillary, or Libby Dole, or Sarah Palin for their wardrobe, their hair stylke, their marital status, their motherhood or their womanhood, we IMMEDIATELY say, outloud, that it is inappropriate and unacceptable.
This is how we stop it.
ipotter 01.19.09 at 4:46 pm
Have come to the conclusion that the tv will probably need to be unplugged this week. Perhaps the radio too. I simply cannot stand the voice of “the one” when he is sounding like a pompous preacher. Could not stand the voice of Bush either because his smirky attitude was so audible. Sorry, I don’t know what’s wrong with me today. Was just hoping for a decent leader, and this is what we got. Oh well.
Link about where the inaugural funding is coming from (can anyone say… bail out money, in part)
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Inauguration/Story?id=6665946&page=1
Nijma 01.19.09 at 4:46 pm
Oooh, Heneri, you really hit home with that blond joke thing. Has anyone else noticed that the “blond “jokes” are just reworked n-word/Jesse Jackson jokes? When it became unacceptable for anyone to make racial slurs against blacks, the jokes were immediately reworked with the name of a black person (like Jesse Jackson, or some black person in the office that no one liked). Now those same jokes are being told about women–blond women, not blond men. So what are we gonna do about it?
bqueen 01.19.09 at 4:46 pm
temporary consolation beautiful images of hillary:
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=548149
Hillary talks about boling and basketball
admin 01.19.09 at 4:53 pm
obama and circuses posted, take it upstairs!
taggles1 01.19.09 at 4:58 pm
Suffragists were belittled and called racists. There were many thoughts and discussion and public arguments on how the women’s movement should proceed.
I think it only serves us well to discuss publicly the short comings of the most well known women’s groups. There is nothing wrong with that. They need to be taken to task when they are selling out, or when there is a fundamental disagreement on how to proceed. That is when real solutions are brought to the forefront.
No one is perfect, no group is perfect. It is a confluence of events that will propel this movement. We should not be afraid.
We are belittled and called racists. Why, because we recognize that women have not achieved full equality in this country. Is it that we don’t deserve full equality? I don’t think so.
We already have the pre-requisites for success. We are thorn in the side of the establishment. We are belittled. We are called racists for wanting full equality for women. Let’s keep going.
Nijma 01.19.09 at 5:00 pm
When Taggles says “We must build our own political process”, what does that mean? A separate political party?
For a female politician to work outside the embrace of the two party system is not a good career move. Maybe for someone like Green Party Cynthia McKinney, who is already outside the system after not being reelected. And would it split votes away from women within the major parties? On the other hand the socialists keep running a candidate for president without any expectation of winning, but they say every single issue they have put before the public in their platform has become accepted as public policy. It would take a lot for me to abandon my first choice presidential candidate, Cthulhu (“Why choose the lesser evil?” and “No more years.” but….
Murphy for president?
antifish 01.19.09 at 7:59 pm
#116
Did you read this part?
In what would be another unprecedented step, Obama’s political staff is deciding whether to create a service organization that would use the vast corps of its grass-roots campaign supporters. As described by one source knowledgeable with the discussions, this nonprofit arm would be used to help victims of natural disasters, but would do so under the Obama umbrella while continuing to build the overall network’s massive e-mail database.
The prospect of a president being able to guide a service or relief agency outside the framework of his government is a unique development.
WTF? Obamabots doing disaster relief outside of the government?
It is not a unique development, it happened in Germany. They we’re called brownshirts and they were thugs that worked for Hitler. What in the hell is happening and why doesn’t anyone seem to care?
PUMAbear 01.19.09 at 10:53 pm
Antifish #131,
Just catching up but I don’t get why disaster relief should be carried out by people outside of a government agency. How would this happen? Would it be quasi-military state run? who would qualify to work for the group? I’m scratching my head but the whole thing sounds like the beginning of personal army or body guard. Did I hear Brownshirts?
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