Obama’s gonna save Social Security! No wonder the Wall Street Boiz gave so much money to the Precious (ooh, that soft money feels so good). Fat times ahead for them. Hats in hand for the rest of us. Though it will be rawther amusing to watch teh BOIZ’ reaction to this hard swing right. (Remember, it was teh BOIZ, led by Atrios and Markos, who perhaps were most radicalized to action a few years ago when W. tried to “save” Social Security. Whew! Were they upset. They were dialing their reps, shutting down Capitol Hill switchboards, and jumping up and down screaming all across the Blogosphere. “Social Security is not broken!” they screamed. “It doesn’t NEED to be fixed!” So far on the obama plan to “save” the program? Crickets, natch. Good integrity and honest dealing there, Boiz.)
Burris is in — this round goes to Blago. Who knows? By the time this investigation is wrapped up, Rod “The Hair” Blagojevich may become the very first Folk Hero in a Tacky Track Suit this country has ever seen. Go Blago! Although John Kass of the Chicago Tribune, who oughtta know, sees obama’s fingerprints (or should I say knuckle prints” on this one.)
So the Chicago Way hauled off and slapped the U.S. Senate in the face—one of those backhands with the knuckles to unsuspecting lips—and guess who blinked?
It wasn’t Chicago.
It was the Senate.Get used to it, America. And it won’t be the last time either.
And, sigh of relief — Chris “Tweety” Matthews is NOT running for Senate. Thank heavens for small blessings.
Unemployment? Still up.
Hope? Change? Haven’t seen any sign yet. But we’ll keep you posted!
Don’t forget to vote today. Once a day from every computer. It’s good for you. Like fiber!
for The COnfluence:
http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-liberal-blog/
for Nice Deb:
http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-small-blog/
for Uppity Woman:
http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-new-blog/
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sue66 01.08.09 at 9:57 am
Today it becomes official. Black arm bands anyone?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/08/congress-to-make-it-official-obamas-the-president-elect/#comments
admin 01.08.09 at 10:00 am
betty jean has a few must reads this morning:
http://freemenow.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/oops-i-accidentally-smashed-a-glass-slashed-her-face-dragged-her-down-a-hall-screaming/
http://4wea.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/got-35-minutes-ladies-watch-this-video/
Going to post them in Women Lynching and SOS now.
brb.
cjv 01.08.09 at 10:06 am
Don’t know if any saw this yet. It seems Fitzgerald did a goof, revealing key names in an email:
“JANUARY 7–In a remarkable screw-up, a Department of Justice official today accidentally distributed to the media a document containing the names of nearly 20 confidential witnesses interviewed during a federal probe targeting the operators of a fraudulent investment scheme.”
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0107091oops1.html
bmw60 01.08.09 at 10:07 am
Good Morning All… hope you have a great day… sunny here in PA, so off to take care of some errands… BBL
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 10:09 am
sue66:
I don’t need any black arm band, but the rest of the country might want to make early orders now.
Once half the country goes into poverty and we get attacked by terrorists and our enemies become more powerful than the USA…you are going to see how people will come to see Obama for who he really is. An inexperienced con-man.
Obots are foolishly excited about the hard times ahead–they think hope-dope will make everything all better.
Obama will be worse than Hoover.
admin 01.08.09 at 10:10 am
hiya bmy60 — your comment reminded me of SunnyPA — hi there SunnyPA if you’re out there! hope all is well for you and your lovely daughter.
I was just reading yesterday that the Pittsburgh economy may be more recession-proof than many other cities, Hope that turns out to be true.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/business/economy/08collapse.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Pittsburgh&st=cse
emme 01.08.09 at 10:11 am
sue66 01.08.09 at 9:57 am – Black arm bands anyone?
I’m wearing one today AND telling everyone why.
sue66 01.08.09 at 10:14 am
Good for you, emme.
murphy 01.08.09 at 10:14 am
sue66 — can you describe what an “exit plan” is? Sounds very useful.
thanks.
kat — i saw your comment downstairs about the NQ article. While I think comparing us to jews is hyperbole in the extreme — there IS something there. We dont have to look so far back though — just look at the past 8 years. Puma has become the new George W Bush. The screaming meemies who had absolutely NOTHING to do for 8 years except invent a million different ways to insult and ridicule W, now have no target.
Why not attack the Women!?? great idea! It’s not like there’s any cultural restraint in place to hold them back.
Watch things get WAY more ugly and absurd in the near future, esp as, as you point out, obama continues to stumble and they continue to look more and more like morons who bought the marketing campaign.
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 10:18 am
Let’s wager a bet on how much longer the MSM will kiss O’s butt. (Thereby keeping gullible Americans “believing” in this joke..)
Maybe half a term? Maybe all the four years…to help O when he tries to go for second term?
I have TONS of patience, and I know that O’s true colors–his inexperience; his impractical leadership; his inability to protect us; his dangerous foreign policy stances, and his lack of patriotism for the country he is supposed to protect will become obvious to all. And it’s gonna suck. Cause the USA will suffer because of him.
murphy 01.08.09 at 10:27 am
yes, but blaming him will be racist Kat, dont forget that.
he’ll be fine.
it’s everyone else we need to worry about.
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 10:28 am
murphy #9
I totally agree.
Well, women may be the new target…the new Bush, but if anything, they act worse than the worst Bushian.
Don’t say anything bad about obama!!! omg, noooo, obama is perfect. obama is god. It’s like they are pathetic insane people.
K, so they have been insane and high on hope-dope for over a year. Their “enemy” was Hillary and then Sarah…now, somehow they perceive all women as the enemy. They need to go freakin’ detox–the hope-dope is ruining their minds.
They like to say pumas are “bitter”…how’s that? These people got their candidate in office and they are still spewing hatred…so what does that make them?
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 10:29 am
actioncenter@pumapac.org email is whacky. I can receive/read but not send. So, if you haven’t received a response from me, that be the reason.
Can’t imagine being an adult and having to have an exit plan to escape the person I’m living with, committed to in an intimate relationship. The day I realize I have to create an exit plan is the the day I leave.
Delle 01.08.09 at 10:31 am
The Chief Justice is calling for a conference now.
http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/
Maybe there is still hope?
I’m not too optimistic.
Delle
TXRepGirl 01.08.09 at 10:32 am
Oh, goody. Look at the next thing coming down the pike to make us all poorer.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85542
Let’s see. The government mandated all old TV’s will no longer work (and then put expirations on the coupons, so that most of them were never claimed… AND people can’t get a new coupon for the $40 to make their TV work, and now this! (Granted the TV thing comes a week AFTER this, so maybe we’ll have time to adjust to one crisis before the next one hits.) Anyone else looking forward to February?
Or wishing the next 12 days could last forever?
TXRepGirl 01.08.09 at 10:37 am
Delle, the whole SCOTUS thing makes no sense unless they are considering SOMETHING. They could well have made the decision to not hear any more of these cases on the first or second one through. They didn’t. Then they schedule TWO conferences on the SAME case a week apart–one on the 9th–just after the Congress vote, and one on the 16th. I can maybe see the one on the 9th, but why schedule another on the same case for the 16th? What will happen between the 9 and the 16 to warrant scheduling both? And now a fourth case has been accepted for conference on Jan. 23–by no less than Justice Roberts.
I could be totally wrong, but if there were no merits to any of these cases–if they were all tin foil hat kind of things, WHY would the Justices hear two and schedule hearings on at least three more? To me, that seems to mean that someone up there thinks this is serious and something should be done. Is it a timing thing? Are they waiting for EVERY other avenue to be extinquished… or what?
TXRepGirl 01.08.09 at 10:38 am
Make that a fifth case. Sorry. I’m getting whoozy with all this stuff spinning around.
murphy 01.08.09 at 10:40 am
Ladyboomer sent me an interesting link about a woman in Canada, a former model, who is suing Google to find out who is behind defamatory blog aimed at ridiculing and insulting her.
“Cohen’s lawyer Steven Wagner admitted it’s not easy to “identify bloggers who lob insults anonymously, as New York courts have generally declined to force them into the light”. He did, though, insist: “We think we have a case. This is libelous, it’s defamatory and you shouldn’t just get away with this.”"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/07/defamatory_blog/
Gee, I wonder if the fact she has enemies is related in any way to this incident, in which a bar-bouncer at an NYC club smashed and slashed her face with a bottle. Thereby ruining her career.
“The 5-foot-10 blond stunner whose beautiful face has graced the pages of Vogue, Elle and Harper’s Bazaar among others, says the fight began when Dervisevic’s friend picked up a bottle of vodka that had been served to her table and poured himself a drink.”
When she protested, she said Dervisevic – a doorman at an Upper East Side building who was born in New York to immigrants from the former Yugoslavia – exploded and threw a drink in her face.
“He called me the c-word and he started yelling at me, and then the bouncer told him to go away. He didn’t,” Cohen said. She then threw her drink on him, and he grabbed the bottle.
“He hit me with a bottle on my left cheek. The glass smashed. I went into shock,” she said.
Bouncers ushered Dervisevic away, and Cohen saw her white knit Ralph Lauren minidress was covered in blood.
“I went to the bathroom and I saw my whole career go down the drain. I looked in the mirror and saw a hole in my face the size of a quarter. I’ve been a model my whole life, and I’ve never had another job,” she said.”
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07312008/news/regionalnews/bar_goons_smash_and_slash_past_122359.htm
HP Boston 01.08.09 at 10:41 am
They like to say pumas are “bitter”…how’s that? These people got their candidate in office and they are still spewing hatred…so what does that make them?
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It makes me dam angry, mad, sad and my family wants me to calm down! My husband said enough of this anger and yelling at the tv and shutting it off and hitting the remote, enough!
I am trying, I know I would not want to live with me if I were him. My kids say cool it Mom not much you can do about it. I KNOW THAT IS THE WORST PART!
Puma Pac is the the only place to vent and use energy to DO something. My high blood pressure med and puma PAC will save me!
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 10:43 am
murphy: #11
yeah, I forgot. Oh, that’s funny too, I can almost remember when that accusation used to hurt. It wasn’t that long ago.
They have ruined the word. They have ruined it for people of color/ blacks who actually deal with legitimate racism.
Half the country (nah, more than that) has been called a racist this past year–either by the media, the dem leadership, or from basic obots online and in regular life.
How many people are immune to charges of racism now? How many people hear the accusation of racism and DOUBT it now? Even subconsciously? How do we gauge the backlash of that? There WILL be backlash because of that. I think these moronic obots have not only set back women but blacks as well. How many of these obots screaming racism are white people? How many of these same white people have a dam* clue about black people and what they *cause* to harm black people when they accuse others of racism. They are freakin’ clueless.
Uppity Woman 01.08.09 at 10:46 am
I knew he was lying about being a progressive, more like a Regressive. No liberal would refuse to take his photo with a gay mayor. No liberal would let the gay community hang at Prop 8 either. I figured he would hit the ground running, give them all a bit of apoplexy and behave like a centrist. I never dreamed he was a Republican, although he IS a FISA kind of guy. After all, disabled and elderly people are just a drain on society to him. Never once heard him champion either. Like you said, all that money from wall street that just kept pouring in wasn’t because they are all looking forward to socialism.
ipotter 01.08.09 at 10:50 am
I’m not bitter. Oh no, not today. The snow is coming down; looks like our government is doing the same. So today, just warm thoughts of Belize
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 10:52 am
Dances #13
The ironic thing is that once you think you need an exit plan and you don’t have one–it’s too late.
The “exit plan”…having a stash of money, a place to go, special numbers to contact, a place for the children to go, etc etc is one sort of exit plan.
There are other sorts of exit plans…like keeping a side bank account while married. Like taking self-defense courses. Like making sure to stay close with family and friends. Like making sure you always have enough money to live completely on your own for at least 6 mos if you had to. Like making sure you have life ins. for him. Like making sure he’s not lying about debt/ about income/ about retirement and inheritance. Like being in the know about the finances, etc.
I think there are still a lot of women who think there is no way they could get divorced–no way he could get in a horrible accident and die, etc. Things happen, so even if a woman is not in an abusive relationship…she should never close her eyes to an “exit plan.”
murphy 01.08.09 at 10:52 am
HP!!
Dont give up or give in.
Go “underground” if you have to.
DO kill your tv though.
Dances — yep. That’s true for me too. But it’s not true for every woman. LOTS and LOTS of women believe they have no choice. They are terrified for their children. They have LITERALLY no money.
I remember reading a story about a woman in an insane marriage (she was a non-Muslim American, he was a Muslim immigrant. Just to point out that he was coming from a (crazy) culture in which fathers have automatic custody of their children). She was terrified he would take the kids back to his country and she’d NEVER see them again — literally. She got out, and she had advice for women in any situation like that that I’ve never forgotten.
1. Know where your kids birth certificates are. Keep them in a safe place that you can grab them from in a moment. Hide them if you can.
2. Same thing for your marriage certificate.
3. Make secret copies of ALL your tax returns, bank statements, and any other paperwork related to assets. Hide them somewhere outside your home.
4. Same thing with a copy of your deed.
I’ve never forgotten that advice. It’s good to know.
Women in other situations, esp women with small children who are unemployed live a very constricted life.
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 10:54 am
@ #23
I shouldn’t say:
“The ironic thing is that once you think you need an exit plan and you don’t have one–it’s too late.”
I should say it *could* be too late.
murphy 01.08.09 at 11:02 am
what Kat said.
Uppity — yup. the irony is killing me. metaphorically speaking. For the elderly it will be literally.
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 11:03 am
“Things happen, so even if a woman is not in an abusive relationship…she should never close her eyes to an “exit plan.””
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Okay. Agree. It’s just mind boggling to me. I mean, I just can’t imagine … no judgment here … just can’t wrap my mind around the scenario of being in a committed relationship with someone you love and simultaneously preparing for, and never knowing when, the barbarian-factor will be ignited.
Expect the best, prepare for the worse.
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 11:04 am
Obama voting for FISA fits into traditional negative views of Bush republicanism.
A lot of people overlook that voting for FISA is also right up the alley of being authoritarian leftist.
Obama is not a democrat or a republican. These are just meaningless words to me now. Obama is down with big money and corporations and wall street and lobbyists but also every single far leftist group. He doesn’t give a crap about any of them–just power.
When I say that Obama is a “socialist”…I never mean it in the regular hippy dippy liberal way. I *never* mean “democrat.” I mean it in the way that I think he would financially screw over our country. I think we know that keeping people weak, poor and victims…keeping people NEEDING the government and the almighty leader, keeps HIM in greater power.
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 11:07 am
DancesWithHippyDippies
murphy 01.08.09 at 11:07 am
good food for thought there Kat. thanks.
why do I feel like we’re going back to the 1970’s?
ugh.
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 11:08 am
“So today, just warm thoughts of Belize
”
Thatta way, ipotter!!!
Uppity Woman 01.08.09 at 11:10 am
Murphy and Kat. To be honest, I don’t think he’s dumb enough to shaft current seniors. Congress needs to get re-elected every two years and they would never go for it. Instead they will do this to the Worship generation. The ones who adore him. He will be long gone from office when they wake up one day and yell “WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!”
Who amongst us even THOUGHT about social security and medicare when we were 15? 18? 25?
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 11:13 am
DancesWithHippyDippies…
lol. I don’t mean that really in the pejorative. My friends and I say “hippy dippy” in a complimentary way:
“Oh, I love that blanket…so hippy dippy, etc” he he.
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 11:15 am
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 11:13 am [edit]
DancesWithHippyDippies…
lol. I don’t mean that really in the pejorative.
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I know, kat. Jes’ playin’ witcha.
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 11:17 am
Uppity Woman:
Yeah, interesting. uh huh. He’ll be shafting the younger ones, likely the ones who voted for him, and their children. And, of course, us, ya know.
murphy 01.08.09 at 11:17 am
Actually, call me a weirdo, but i DID used to think about Social Security and pensions and stuff when I was a kid.
My grandfather died suddenly (at the kitchen table) when he was 58. Nana had never had a job (5 kids) outside the home — no checking account, driver’s license, nuthin. She started working as a janitor, then a secretary for the next 25 years. She would have been homeless without Social Security.
My other grandparents both worked for over 45 years before they retired. He had a small pension from the Laborer’s Union and the MBTA. She had no pension. But they both had Social Security. Part of the pension from the MBTA was a reduced fare on buses and trains. They LOVED taking the bus all over town for only a dime!
We’re talking about really regular, working class, frugal people — each family had five kids. They had nice retirements because of Social Security. That plus a lot of support from their families is what made the difference.
Yup. I’m weird, but I’ve often thought about stuff like that.
ipotter 01.08.09 at 11:21 am
#32, ohgreatone doesn’t believe there is a need for elected officials (from interview with Samantha Powers).
scarlet 01.08.09 at 11:22 am
Lawmaker wants to tighten Utah alcohol rules  
The Associated Press
SALT LAKE CITY — A Republican state senator says he wants to keep alcohol out of the view of minors in restaurants — at least until it reaches a customer’s table.
Gov. Huntsman has pledged to eliminate a state law that requires customers to fill out an application and pay a fee for the right to walk into a bar. In Utah, bars are open to the public, but are considered private clubs. It is the only state in the country with such a law.
http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/294885/182/
Don’t think this is a joke. Came from AP
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 11:26 am
Murphy had a “Nana” with 5 kids. Me too! (Irish-catholic.)
Oh, but I never knew about pensions or social security. Heard adults talking about it but it was sort of a grown up faraway thing.
bmw60 01.08.09 at 11:29 am
Sorry didn’t leave yet!!!… BUT perhaps I may get my head taken off for this statement. I used to work for a social service agency and it seems that the Democrats have always been for “keeping the people poor and dependent on them” … its a power thing… sorry, but I have to backup my points with links and don’t have them right now. But I do look around me and see many people who are dependent on welfare stuck… i know I was there for a time. It’s so difficult to get off of welfare.. and people simply get stuck there with no hope of ever getting out. It took me sooooooo long to get off welfare once I started on it.
murphy 01.08.09 at 11:30 am
ipotter, got a link?
I’m right there with you in dreams of Belize.
New England ice, slush, snow, rain, and clouds — blech.
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 11:30 am
Was thinking about the obots. How so many of them had complained about how the media used to cover everything for Bush–got him elected–got us into a war, etc.
Now they hear people complain that the media does it for Obama. How can they allow themselves to overlook that and not question the possibility, especially when they have the previous knowledge that it happens. Shame on them.
kat in your hat 01.08.09 at 11:33 am
bmw60 #40
Yes, my mind has turned to that way of thinking. I think people get into trouble though and I am glad welfare is there, but there should be stricter limits and better “get off welfare” programs nation-wide.
GOSUEF4HIL 01.08.09 at 11:36 am
Hope you all have read this post, it is very uplifting and hopeful re: Obie being a one term president:
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/
As for social security and medicare- I’ve been in geriatrics my whole career (>20 years and going strong)- he has no regard for the seniors of this country- he paid lip service to get elected- he doesn’t have a clue. Of course SS is going to hit, along w/ every other entitlement program in this country. I have tightened my seat belt and am waiting for the free-fall when these patients can’t get anything- but I suspect the drug companies and insurance companies will do quite well.
Last point on Obie- I am disgusted on his appointment of the Chief of what-ever-the-hell he is calling the office- on integrity- on oversight of government spending- isn’t that the responsibility of every department? Doesn’t the creation of this position just add to government spending?
Still living in the bizarre-o Jerry world, where everything is backwards/upside down.
bqueen 01.08.09 at 11:38 am
murph #24.
That’s very good self-defense advice. Thanks for posting it!
hillstheone 01.08.09 at 11:40 am
Murphy: Great morning post! How do you do it?!! YOU are the best.
Haven’t had my morning coffee yet, but I’ll get there.
Good morning kat,
I know what you’re saying, I’m sure they realize the audacity of it all but denial is probably easier than owning up to what is happening.
cjv, Delle,
Wow, those (smokinggun, investigatingobama) links are incredible stories. Thanks for posting, wonder what’s next.
Uppity Woman 01.08.09 at 11:42 am
A Glock 19 is good self defense. Barring that, a very large dog who worships you.
bqueen 01.08.09 at 11:45 am
Uppity: or moving to a country that’s civilized! (go north, young lass, go north! I suggest Norway…)
emme 01.08.09 at 11:46 am
#10 kat “They like to say pumas are “bitter”…how’s that? These people got their candidate in office and they are still spewing hatred…so what does that make them?”
Sheeple.
danzig 01.08.09 at 11:48 am
I love you.
I know I’ve been an idiot.
I’m trying to change.
But it’s HARD. All I’ve ever spoken is Talking Points. It’s the only language I know.
Can anyone point me to a link or resource for de-programming?
I really need help!
murphy 01.08.09 at 11:48 am
Uppity Woman — heh. I’m skeered of big dogs, but I really want to get one.
Dont have the courage yet to buy a gun (hate them so much).
A post I wrote in response to the Louisa Rodas nightmare was “Buy A Gun” so I’m with you.
http://pumapac.org/2008/12/17/buy-a-gun/
btw, things are NOT looking good for Louisa. Please send strength to Betty Jean.
murphy 01.08.09 at 11:49 am
that’s what we ARE doing danzig.
silly boy.
bqueen 01.08.09 at 11:49 am
Imagine if thousands of American women began seeking asylum in European countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Holland based on their endangered situations in the US. What great headlines that would make!!
There ARE HIV+ patients that have sought – and gotten – asylum in England because they required health care which they wouldn’t receive in the US. I’ve also heard of cancer patients purposely traveling to Germany and then going to hospices there to live out their last days because of unaffordable treatment in the US.
murphy 01.08.09 at 11:51 am
Danzig, #50
didnt the Republicans always used to say that about you guys?
Did you just save the troll comments from those days so you could simply copy and paste?
Didnt you all used to get so mad when Republicans would accuse you of being unpatriotic for not supporting the president and the war?
We wont accuse you being unpatriotic because that would be untrue and unprincipled, but
we will accuse you being total morons.
because that is a self-evident truth.
HP Boston 01.08.09 at 11:51 am
murphy 01.08.09 at 11:07 am
good food for thought there Kat. thanks.
why do I feel like we’re going back to the 1970’s?
ugh.
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THE 70’s made me STRONG!
I had no drivers licence,(did not even drive) no checking account, no money, no job, no higher education……3 kids and husband who worked 2 jobs and was never home b/c he went from one job to the another. We had moved to the “burbs” from the city b/c he worked west and 30 miles north of the city.
SO I had some coins my Mom had saved, silver coins were being fazed out and she gave me a jar full. Husband was out of town for work one full week and I got a ride to sell the coins. I called a driving school and started lessons.
Well shit hubby was not happy, to dam bad I said. He said what are you going to drive? Not my car! No I said my car I will go and sign your name and buy one. He got a used one pretty dam fast. Then I got a job………the rest is history, school at the suburban University campus was paid by my employer and I went to school at night! HA I was never home!!!
Ah life was so less boring and tedious when freedom and money were in MY hands. My husband of course was just in need of a strong woman and he has been supportive.
The equalizer is MONEY!!
emme 01.08.09 at 11:52 am
#44 GOSUEF4HIL
Love the article! Especially the title: When a Cheap Suit Starts to Unravel It Doesn’t Take Long for it to Fall Apart.
We tried to warn them.
danzig 01.08.09 at 11:54 am
Murphy I know I am a condescending, pompous windbag. However, it seems perfectly reasonable for me to also be a total hypocrite (look at the whole blog war thing going on right now) by asking you to submit to my superior intellect and help US do everything we can to see that Barack is a great president. If I keep insulting and defaming women on the internet I will be doing everything I can to help Barack, which will be good for the country right? Its good for all of us lying scuzzballs who enjoy humiliating and degrading women from safely behind our keyboards if we can succeed at discrediting and ridiculing good, honest, liberal Democrats who want the country to work for the most vulnerable and left behind. After all, we ARE “Obots”.
hillstheone 01.08.09 at 11:55 am
Coupla links worth reading…danzig, you might like the second one.
SEIU Prez DID Meet With Corrupt Ill. Governor
http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/01/08/seiu-prez-did-meet-with-corrupt-ill-governor/
When a Cheap Suit starts to unravel, it doesn’t take long for it to fall apart.
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 11:55 am
Puma has become the new George W Bush. The screaming meemies who had absolutely NOTHING to do for 8 years except invent a million different ways to insult and ridicule W, now have no target.
Why not attack the Women!?? great idea! It’s not like there’s any cultural restraint in place to hold them back.
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They view Pumas as an extension of gwb… they think Pumas republicans.
Over at amy goodman’s site thy are mostly silent when it comes ot bashing women, but they echo the “pumas are republicans” baloney all day long. I’ll put my liberal-progressive credentials up against any one of the comments over there, any day of the week. Ironically, amy and I worked at kpfa within the same timeframe!
The only difference now is I equate the term “progressive” with “fascist” and cannot identify with it. I’m still for Democracy Now though, but as a reality, not just an empty title for a media program.
waterpanther 01.08.09 at 11:56 am
It’s going to be one of the greater ironies of American history if the Republicans come roaring back in two years with a promise to save Social Security from the depredations of the Dems. Despite Obama’s melanin quotient, we may be looking at a shift back to the sort of political configuration we had in the sixties, when the Democrats were largely Solid-South conservatives and the liberal strain in the country was embodied by R’s like Nelson Rockefeller, Edward Brooks, John Lindsay and yes, Republican Martin Luther King.
murphy 01.08.09 at 11:57 am
HP that is so FREAKING true.
I would get your comment tattooed on my back if I could.
hillstheone 01.08.09 at 11:58 am
p.s. I thought his conclusion was especially fitting:
“With Richardson’s withdrawal, the Blagojevich scandal and Senate appointment getting headlines before he even takes office, with the economy in recession and the Middle East exploding, and based on what is known about Obama’s 12 years of anemic public service and his lack of demonstrable ability ( which I am perfectly willing to be proved wrong about) the unraveling we are seeing now may get worse. And if it does, for the second time in a row we will have standing before the media and the country an emperor with no clothes, this time a Democratic one.”
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:00 pm
yes, dwp — I think the better, more actually liberal bloggers and writers in all this mess deserve credit. They still have principles and integrity. I dont agree with them on some stuff (actually I agree with them on pretty much everything, EXCEPT their blindness to the Faux-Prez)
Melissa McEwan
Glenn Greenwald
Amy Goodman
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:01 pm
hills, link again — pretty please?
emme 01.08.09 at 12:01 pm
Murphy, I smell a sheeple amongst us. Oblahblah a good president? Delusional. Puhleeze…the best we can hope for is that our country and democracy itself survives him.
danzig 01.08.09 at 12:01 pm
Dances, I disagree. Bush got off easy. People were not mean enough to him. Look at the sitation our country is in right now. Rome is indeed burning and Bush had a LOT to do with that. It isn’t entirely his fault but he bears the brunt of the responsibility. I think the people attacking the PUMAs have nothing to do with gender and everything to do with the fact that you guys supported McCain after all we’ve been through.
Yes you do have a few idiots who are attacking women. However, you have idiots in every group. Ignore the fools, and focus on the good people on both sides of the argument.
Thanks for letting me post by the way Murphy. I’ll be good I promise (I always try to be)
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 12:02 pm
danzig,
rather than doing everything we can to see that Barack is a great president. If he is a great President thats good for the country right?
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He’s already failed. Look at the fraudulent twisted processes during the processes that it took to drag his done-nothing ass over the finish line. What we have in obama is a bonafide loser forced upon us by those who would trample our democratic elections.
If you’re dead set on worshipping at the feet of yet another republicanesque president… go for it. I’ll stay on the side of disenfranchised voters, thank you very much.
hillstheone 01.08.09 at 12:03 pm
Murphy,
This one?
When a Cheap Suit starts to unravel, it doesn’t take long for it to fall apart.
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/
hillstheone 01.08.09 at 12:05 pm
Danzig,
have to agree w/you there, Bush DID get off too easy. Why was that, why didn’t the Democratic Party hold his feet to the fire after they were put into power at the election 2 years ago??
The whole system is messed up, PUMA members are striving to be a wake-up call. Since the media is asleep at the wheel, that makes our job particularly daunting.
HP Boston 01.08.09 at 12:05 pm
scarlet 01.08.09 at 11:22 am
Lawmaker wants to tighten Utah alcohol rules  
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Don’t they have this type of law in Texas?
My husband I were in Dallas years ago and asked for a drink and were not served b/c we did not belong to a “club”!
But if we were on the other side of the street we could…….
It was beyond bazaar. Oh and we were on a weekend all expenses paid trip I won as a high performing sales rep! I also got to go to Lake Placid, and St. Thomas…..all expenses paid, them were the days!
taggles1 01.08.09 at 12:07 pm
I did not support McCain. I protested the DNC, OBAMA and his tactics.
Delle 01.08.09 at 12:07 pm
Murphy #18
A similar atrocity happened here in NY several years ago.
A beautiful young woman who made her living as a model, was attacked and viciously stabbed in the face by her former male friend who was angry because she broke up with him. She survived the attack, but her face was scarred and her career was over.
I wish I could remember what kind of sentence he received, but I do know it was light.
Delle
danzig 01.08.09 at 12:08 pm
I’m not worshiping anyone but the Lord. Barack is a politician but he screws the pooch he will not be held accountable because people like me and the rest of the SCFP decided to anoint him. You’re right, he HAS failed at a job he hasn’t even started yet. If you ask me (and many others, even Republicans) he has done a piss poor job so far in preparation for taking over the job. If he messes up I will be right there with the rest of the Obots screaming “RACISTS” at anyone who protests. when he fails we all fail and we all get hurt.
gypsy rebel 01.08.09 at 12:08 pm
Is this still a NoBama site? There is nothing I see in the individual soon to become POTUS that represents my values or freedom!!
BillieJo 01.08.09 at 12:10 pm
Uppity Woman Murphy and Kat. To be honest, I don’t think he’s dumb enough to shaft current seniors. Congress needs to get re-elected every two years and they would never go for it. Instead they will do this to the Worship generation. The ones who adore him. He will be long gone from office when they wake up one day and yell “WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!”
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Actually I think the MSM and boyz will get the hint that they anointed the wrong Democrat this year. Why, because the Train of Hope that DONATED until they bled – are going to feel it in their pocketbooks either by not having much of a savings left to support their kids in college, not have a job or not do well in their businesses.
They were all charged up because they thought their generation was the ‘winner’ over the old and wise. Now that One has put in a Clinton cabinet (feeling the change yet Obots), and will spin the economy in the red to the point only a wizard can fix it in a decade.
This generation that thinks that money will grow on trees or will be stolen from the ‘rich’ will not have their mortgages paid by society, and the honeymoon of Zorrobama will end in a Chicago minute.
And Mr. GeeIsn’tMyHairGreat rides in with his shiny jogging suit, cape a flying on his skateboard showing that Chicago knows how to play the game of corruption better than the DNC.
Many Obots are idealistic and when the glow is over from ‘winning’, reality and hardtimes will smack them back to reality.
I think the media will turn first, it has already started and Zorrobama is not even in the Whitehouse. And we all know how much the MSM controls their thoughts. Obie will have to pay the media to shut out the negativity at that point…then the war in the US will really start!
This Presidency will be drama like we have never seen.
taggles1 01.08.09 at 12:12 pm
He is going to screw with social security. He doesn’t care about domestic wiretapping, gates is still there. etc etc etc.. He isn’t going to change one Gawd Dayum thing.
Go ahead wait until january 20th if that makes ya feel better.
FOOL!
Headclunker 01.08.09 at 12:13 pm
Murphy! Murphy!
Prowl! Prowl!
Check your email.
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 12:16 pm
danzig
I think the people attacking the PUMAs have nothing to do with gender and everything to do with the fact that you guys supported McCain after all we’ve been through.
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We “guys” did not support mccain… some voted for him as a protest vote against obama/dnc, other voted third party, and some stayed home. Don’t judge Pumas position in the primaries and presidential election by the Republicans who have joined us. These same ones did not have their roots in the Democratic Party or platform.
I’m sure some of the whacks supported mccain enthusiastically, but the only reason they hooked up with Pumas was to ensure obama’s defeat to help ensure their guy (another whackjob) the win. PumaPAC NEVER endorsed McCain, as did at least one other Puma group.
By the way, instead of ignoring the sexist misogynist idiots, why not speak up against them? Why not stand up to them? I bet you wouldnt hesitate if equivalent things were being spewed about blacks.
danzig 01.08.09 at 12:17 pm
taggles1, if those are the issues important to you then why did you support McCain?
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:17 pm
Danzig succeeds at hand-waving, re-direction, putting up excellent straw men, condescension, and obfuscation.
his attempts at logic, persuasive argument, and all around likeability?
EPIC FAIL.
Not one member of Puma PAC, woman or man, needs schooling on how to be a good liberal, a thinking citizen, or a compassionate person. We ALL want what’s best for our country. For crying out loud, it’s why we formed in June.
In the end, we’ll be right, and you will still be wrong.
thanks for popping in though.
Your comments at #50 and #57 were especially enlightening.
BigCatLover 01.08.09 at 12:18 pm
66
danzig 01.08.09 at 12:01 pm
Rome is burning because of Bush is not a valid excuse to trash other Dem candidates and support a candidate who got elected through fraud and vile attacks. To justify attacking females (Pumas) because some supported McCain is just another Obama talking point by people who are mired in the myths created by his campaign – McCain IS NOT Bush!!! To continue claiming otherwise is just ignorance.
ipotter 01.08.09 at 12:19 pm
#41 Murphy,
You may interpret it differently, but this is what it says
“Obama has talked a lot about the importance of moving away from electocracy,” she says, trying to move on to more comfortable territory, and suggesting that the way people actually live is more important than the “reification of elections”.
“In terms of how radical the shift will be, I think it’s very hard. There’s going to be a huge foreign service and civil service that he will inherit, senators and congressmen who have already been elected. So I think he is one guy, trying to steer this ship of cacophonous agendas into a new place.”
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2008/03/barack-obama-interview-power
Delle 01.08.09 at 12:19 pm
To those of you who would like to move to Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Holland – not a good idea.
Women wouldn’t be comfortable there now.
Those countries have already been islamified.
In fact, I recently read that non-muslem women living in Denmark wear the burka when they walk through the streets because it helps them feel safe.
Delle
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:19 pm
thanks Delle, #72. can you imagine if a woman angry at her classical pianist husband broke all of his fingers in a rage?
that would be a horrible thing to do.
look for a thousand years, you will NEVER find an incident like that.
Look for five minutes for a case like the one you mention Delle — you’ll find dozens.
GOSUEF4HIL 01.08.09 at 12:20 pm
You know Danzing, DWP is right- Obama has failed, he has failed miserably so far as prez-elect- he failed the liberal lefties w/ FISA and his many other lies- which they all overlooked.
We wish the best for our country- we have no respect for this lying, conniving, holier-than-thou empty suit of a man who has no accomplishments on which to stand and it appears that his largest fight to date has been over him keeping his Blackberry.
He has no regard for the country, only himself.
If time shall tell a different story, I will eat my hat.
danzig 01.08.09 at 12:21 pm
Murphy….ummmmm I didn’t write those…
invalidresponse 01.08.09 at 12:22 pm
danzig……do you read or just write??? note times on these posts…..
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taggles1 01.08.09 at 12:07 pm
I did not support McCain. I protested the DNC, OBAMA and his tactics.
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danzig 01.08.09 at 12:17 pm
taggles1, if those are the issues important to you then why did you support McCain?
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bqueen 01.08.09 at 12:24 pm
billie jo #75
Obie will have to pay the media to shut out the negativity at that poin
do we know he’s not doing that now?
danzig 01.08.09 at 12:24 pm
Seems like one of the admins are having fun at my expense. I have daughter I love very much and a wife whom I respect and love with all my heart. I would never attack women!
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:25 pm
zoinks!
Taggles NEVER supported McCain.
Neither did I — Puma PAC never supported McCain.
We protested the election.
Go back and read — never never did we endorse McCain.
We stood up for Sarah Palin against the Misogynistic Onslaught that descended on her and her children.
Politics and political activism at this level is obviously above your pay grade.
you can still fling poop over at Wankit and TPM though.
have fun!
(doesnt it get BORING after a while though?)
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:28 pm
la tee da for you danzig.
want to work to help women? to make this country a place where your beloved daughter and wife can compete and succeed fairly and on their merits?
Join the NEW Era team here at Puma PAC.
Go ask Wonkit why they publish filth about innocent, private, beautiful women?
Call your rep today and tell her or him to support the Lilly Ledbetter Act and Fair Paycheck Act.
Donate to the Louisa’s Law Fund
Shut up, listen, and learn.
Alice Rodham Puma 01.08.09 at 12:28 pm
Please Delle, don’t exagerrate. A lot of liberal countries have allowed too much creeping Sharia law but they are far from Islamified and to say that women wouldn’t be comfortable is simply not true. The Scandinavian countries especially have some of the most progressive equal rights legislations for women, but there is a downside to liberalism when it allows the judiciary to confuse religious toleralance with too much tolerance for religious law.
It has happened also in small parts the United States. I read somewhere about allowing Sharia in Texas. It is definately something to be concerned about but I do think there is a danger of oversimplifying the issue.
danzig 01.08.09 at 12:28 pm
Yup, flinging poop is fun! Since I am mentally unready to engage in actual logical argument or even offer thoughtful and insightful rhetoric that I borrowed from someone else, then yes I guess I’m guilty as charged.
HP Boston 01.08.09 at 12:30 pm
Delle 01.08.09 at 12:19 pm
To those of you who would like to move to Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Holland – not a good idea.
———————————You are right Dell
Those countries have taken in so many Iraqi they have been taken over! They complain bitterly that the U S has taken so few.
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 12:30 pm
Barack is a politician so if he screws the pooch he should be held accountable. He couldn’t have failed at a job he hasn’t even started yet. If you ask me (and many others, even Republicans) he has done a great job so far in preparation for taking over the job
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He already screwed the pooch (interesting terminology, btw, you fuckers seem to be all the same.)… are you running on intentional amnesia?? Look to the primaries… that’s all you need to know… but if you’re curious at all… look at his record of service… there is no there there.
A great job in preparation?? Hopey changey selected Wm Clinton’s guys.
He pissed off Feinstein, Richardson had to remove himself, obama’s been tied to blago and rezko… I’ve never seen a transition mucked in so much mire in my life…….. and I am OLD!
You’re supporting the democratic version of bush.
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:30 pm
alice rodham — yep. England too is struggling mightily with this.
You put it quite well,
“there is a downside to liberalism when it allows the judiciary to confuse religious toleralance with too much tolerance for religious law.”
invalidresponse 01.08.09 at 12:31 pm
the defendant has plead guilty as charged…… next case…..
prplvette85 01.08.09 at 12:31 pm
Good Morning Pumas. Had a rough day and night yesterday. Boulder Colorado on fire, many friends there had to evacuate, and many animals missing in the blaze. Thank God, my daughter is ok, but praying for those who lost their homes, and/or animals.
Got this in my email today:
How will you celebrate Barack Obama’s inauguration? It is from the Indiana Dems. Sent them a letter back saying I will be celebrating with my Pumapac Family, and as far as watching it on tv? I would rather watch the weather channel telling us hell did freeze over for 48 hours than to watch the coronation of oifuckedemall on the tv. I think I will get a bottle of wine, and toast to what will be the obama drama that will shake the obots back to the pre koolaid reality that awaits. ready obots? bend over grab your ankles…………
danzig 01.08.09 at 12:32 pm
Thank you for editing my comments for clarity and wit.
I will keep trying to be a better person, a more active and principled citizen, and a better debater.
Although many have informed me that I am already a master-debater.
BillieJo 01.08.09 at 12:32 pm
I think Denmark is a wonderful country, stayed there for awhile and loved the people more than anywhere.
I work in the Obot land of Berkeley, CA and have seen women walking in burkas, why……….because they can.
Don’t believe everything you read.
sistermoon3 01.08.09 at 12:35 pm
I dont know about any of you, but this bothers the hell out of me. See, I dont think he’s loyal to this country, that’s why I didnt want him as the prez among many other reasons, but this has to be one of the most childish things I have to date read about him, and I saw this coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Obama not giving up BlackBerry without a fight
Posted: 11:54 AM ET
From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
Obama is finding it difficult to give up his BlackBerry.
(CNN) — Barack Obama faces a host of challenges when he assumes the Oval Office later this month, but the hardest personally for the president-elect might just be relinquishing his cherished BlackBerry.
Those who follow Obama on a regular basis know the president-elect is constantly on the addictive e-mail device. But the Secret Service, as well as Obama lawyers, are concerned it could easily be hacked and are demanding the new president hand over the BlackBerry before he moves into the White House.
But in an interview with CNBC Wednesday, Obama made clear he’s not giving it up without a fight.
“They’re going to pry it out of my hands,” the president-elect said.
“You know, this town’s full of lawyers. I don’t know if you’ve noticed…and they have a lot opinions. And so I’m still in a scuffle around that, but it–look, it’s the hardest thing about being president. How do you stay in touch with the flow of everyday life,” he added.
The Secret Service also made President Bush give up e-mail when he assumed the presidency, and former President Clinton, during whose term e-mail became widely-used, sent a grand total of two e-mails while president — one as a test to see if it worked and the second to former Sen. and astronaut John Glenn before he went back into space in 1998.
But in the interview Wednesday, Obama suggested keeping his BlackBerry is one way he could stay connected to the real world.
“I’ve got to look for every opportunity to do that – ways that aren’t scripted, ways that aren’t controlled, ways where, you know, people aren’t just complimenting you or standing up when you enter into a room, ways of staying grounded,” he said.
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I mean let’s face it, how’s he gonna keep up with rev. wright and Louis Farrakhan while in the white house, if he doesnt have his blackberry, what an idiot
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:35 pm
prplevette!
good thoughts for your family.
ipotter 01.08.09 at 12:35 pm
Murphy, you may interpret this differently, but I interpret this statement by Samantha Powers to mean obnone wants to to do away with elections and doesn’t think of this country as a democracy anyway:
“Obama has talked a lot about the importance of moving away from electocracy,… the way people actually live is more important than the reification of elections… In terms of how radical the shift will be, I think it’s very hard. There’s going to be a huge foreign service and civil service that he will inherit, senators and congressmen who have already been elected. So I think he is one guy, trying to steer this ship of cacophonous agendas into a new place.”
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2008/03/barack-obama-interview-power
gypsy rebel 01.08.09 at 12:37 pm
Oh, I’ve already seen these ugly tactics on other blogs. This person “gets off” by getting to people. Can Admin just say “goodbye” before we have to hear the rest of the on-slaught. Murphy – get the IP address………
invalidresponse 01.08.09 at 12:37 pm
danzig 01.08.09 at 12:32 pm
Although many have informed me that I am already a master-debater.
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many have said that obama is a great man and will be a great president…..don’t believe everything you are told….might want to consider the source….
bqueen 01.08.09 at 12:38 pm
Delle #83
Those countries have already been islamified.
Have you visited those countries or just read about them? Norway & Sweden are the most gender equal countries IN THE WORLD and they have LAWS that ensure gender equity. Norway has a solid pension program for ALL its people based on their oil income, which provides solid, dependable revenue. All the countries I mentioned provide health care for ALL citizens.
Yes the Islamic population has grown and there are problems. But all in all, I think women are safer there, have far more financial independence, more equality and they’d find a civilized society refreshing.
prplvette85 01.08.09 at 12:39 pm
Hi Murphy,
Thank you! Hugs to you from the girls.
BigCatLover 01.08.09 at 12:41 pm
ipotter 01.08.09 at 12:35 pm
Didn’t read the article but from what you printed, it sounds like he wants to do away with any answerability to the American voter. It is awfully boring and gets in his way of deciding everything. And to think we were afraid of Bush becoming a dictator.
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:43 pm
Harry Reid Is Losing
The good news for Majority Leader Harry Reid is that he has more Democrats than ever in the Senate. The bad news is that some of his Democratic colleagues are wondering about his political skills. Mr. Reid found himself completely outmaneuvered this week by Roland Burris, the man appointed to the Senate by scandal-tarred Governor Rod Blagojevich. Left-wing bloggers openly made fun of him, with Jane Hamsher declaring she would love nothing more than to play poker with Mr. Reid.
Other Democrats are openly acknowledging Mr. Reid was outflanked. Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, told MSNBC’s “Hardball” that he could not help but admire the brilliance of the Blagojevich ploy.
“You gotta hand it to Blagojevich,” said Mr. Dean said. “What a maneuver! What a maneuver! When his back was against the wall, he outsmarted a lot of people.” Mr. Dean also acknowledged the obvious, that the governor will “probably end up in really bad trouble,” but in a final burst of enthusiasm Mr. Dean added, “But he’ll have something to tell his grandchildren.”
Mr. Reid now finds himself preparing to defend his Senate seat in Nevada. While voters in his state trended Democratic last fall, Mr. Reid isn’t popular back home and will be vulnerable to a GOP challenge. Like former Majority Leader Tom Daschle, who lost a re-election bid in 2004, Mr. Reid may be further challenged by having to push through high-visibility liberal legislation that will further erode his standing at home.
– John Fund
Blago Is Winning
With President-elect Barack Obama and Sen. Harry Reid now climbing down from their opposition to seating Roland Burris in the U.S. Senate, one thing is becoming clear: Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich is winning.
On Dec. 9, when Mr. Blagojevich was led from his home in handcuffs and U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald unveiled a criminal complaint detailing allegations that the governor conspired to sell Mr. Obama’s Senate seat, it was hard to imagine the Democrat would be able to withstand the intense pressure to resign for long. But Mr. Blagojevich has proven to be an adept political infighter.
He’s done three things to turn the tide. The first was to reshape the battleground by asking the people of Illinois to give him the same presumption of innocence provided anyone else accused of wrongdoing. His quoting of Rudyard Kipling at a press conference has been roundly pilloried on late-night TV, but the governor’s remarks have appealed to voters’ basic sense of fairness. The second was to hire a crack legal team headed up by uberlawyer Ed Genson, who quickly demanded that the state cover the governor’s legal bills. This at first seemed a shameless move, but reinforced the argument that the governor was wrongly targeted because of the office he holds (helped by whispers that Prosecutor Fitzgerald himself may have political ambitions).
The third thing the governor did was decide to fight for every inch of ground. The state legislature is moving to impeach him, but the governor is forcing the House first to conduct a mini trial. His lawyers also have criticized House leaders for bowing to Mr. Fitzgerald’s wishes in not making some information and witnesses available for public inspection. “We’re fighting shadows,” Mr. Genson complained to reporters. Likewise, the governor’s decision to appoint Mr. Burris was shocking to Washington leaders who might have hoped that Blago would simply pack his bags and disappear. But it forced a public admission at the highest levels of government that Mr. Blagojevich remains the governor of Illinois with full powers of the office.
Meanwhile, Mr. Fitzgerald has yet to indict the governor on a single charge, leading to accusations that he was too quick to unveil his evidence consisting mostly of conversational bluster. If Mr. Fitzgerald fails to bring an indictment, the governor will almost certainly survive in office. And if he fails to win a conviction, the legislature will likely be unable to remove Blago.
– Brendan Miniter
from the WSJ Political Diary
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:44 pm
done gypsy,
sorry — sometimes I cant resist.
HP Boston 01.08.09 at 12:46 pm
And to think we were afraid of Bush becoming a dictator.
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Oh my gosh ain’t that the truth! I think Bush pushed the envelope, got away with everything and set the stage for a more and through onslaught by the ……gang of thugs….
ipotter 01.08.09 at 12:47 pm
#108 BigCatLover
It’s a very nice, long article. The interviewer was able to move her to uncomfortable ground and this was the result. Just a small paragraph that would not be noticed by those whose eyes have glazed over from too much koolaid.
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:47 pm
invalid #105, when danzig said he was a “master-debater” I dont think he was referring to his ability to argue persuasively.
master-debater? say it out loud real quick.
(ha! I slay me.)
gypsy rebel 01.08.09 at 12:47 pm
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:44 pm
Actually, I knew you would take care of the problem and it was good for others to voice their opinion before saying “goodbye”.
Thanks
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 12:49 pm
Seems like having a wife / daughter (ego extensions) is the requisite in order for men to respect women in general… pathetic.
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:49 pm
headclunker #77 — ok I’m on it,
and Thanks!
boogieman7167 01.08.09 at 12:50 pm
i dont care what they say about blago anyone that can cause berry that much pain cant be all bad
BigCatLover 01.08.09 at 12:51 pm
Does anyone have a good theory about why Fitzgerald exposed his case against Blago before any money changed hands, probably dooming any successful indictment. Was he protectiong Obama or did he just make a mistake or is there any evidence he has political aspirations?
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:52 pm
if only it were THAT pure dances.
that sort of argument is what I refer to as “retreating to the personal.”
you can’t disagree with me because *I* have a personal experience that trumps yours.
very very weak.
(not to mention stupid in this forum, given the demographics)
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:53 pm
hey there boogie #117, our radio pal!
ipotter 01.08.09 at 12:54 pm
DWP
Some men don’t get the concept of respecting a woman and prefer to have a wife/daughter to blame for… everything.
Uppity Woman 01.08.09 at 12:56 pm
Murphy a big dog is a good thing. All you need is love,a good trainer and be willing to be the leader. In return you will receive undying loyalty and protection. They keep you moving too, in a fun way. You run with your dog and you accidentally stay in shape.
gypsy rebel 01.08.09 at 12:57 pm
BigCatLover 01.08.09 at 12:51 pm
I keep thinking that it was easier to let “this” Blago thing to go public because there may be a bigger investigation going on – I really think it was a diversion…. I’m praying it was and that something bigger is in the mix. Fitzgerald isn’t known for screwing up….. but who knows these days. Even with the newest email “slip”…. something isn’t ringing right.
taggles1 01.08.09 at 12:57 pm
It’s like saying, some of my best friends are women. i even married one and hell my wife gave birth to one because of my sperm.
Delle 01.08.09 at 1:01 pm
HP # 94 – Thank you.
Alice #92 I didn’t mean to exaggerate the problem.
Sure the Scandinavian countries have equal rights, but they also have a declining population and an enormous amount of Islamic immigrants.
It won’t be very long before these immigrants become the majority and force their Sharia rules.
It really has nothing to do with religious tolerence. Islam is a political movement hiding under the cover of religion. Look up the word umma. We should be aware of what is going on!
Delle
murphy 01.08.09 at 1:02 pm
I’m thinking german shepherd. they’re really smart and loyal, right?
taggles, LOL!
waterpanther 01.08.09 at 1:02 pm
Okay, danzig. Let’s talk about how US can help “make Barack a great President.”
Let’s start with how we can make him an honest man. Got any ideas?
DancesWithPumas 01.08.09 at 1:04 pm
taggles1 01.08.09 at 12:57 pm
It’s like saying, some of my best friends are women. i even married one and hell my wife gave birth to one because of my sperm.
©taggles
Bingo! Thank you!
taggles1 01.08.09 at 1:04 pm
i wish some peeps would come to boston on the 20th!
boogieman7167 01.08.09 at 1:09 pm
right now the way i see it Blago is the ulimate puppeteer & berry
& reid were his puppets i just loved it how he was pulling there strings & makeing them dance to his tune .
HP Boston 01.08.09 at 1:10 pm
taggles1 01.08.09 at 1:04 pm
i wish some peeps would come to boston on the 20th
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I am leaving Boston to go south and stay with my republican sister! Only Fox TV there and less BS! I wish a blizzard of giant magnitude on DC for the 20th!
HP Boston 01.08.09 at 1:12 pm
mmmmmm I think I will wear my Dem for McCain on deplane!
invalidresponse 01.08.09 at 1:14 pm
murphy 01.08.09 at 12:47 pm #113
upon reflection on that subject, I reverse my initial opinion, and must now agree with him totally……he is as he says a “master-debater” but ONLY if it is said out loud AND real quick……
gypsy rebel 01.08.09 at 1:18 pm
HP Boston 01.08.09 at 1:12 pm
mmmmmm I think I will wear my Dem for McCain on deplane!
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That may be construed as a “weapon” and you will have to give it up!! That wouldn’t make you happy. There’s a list somewhere of what you’re “not” allowed to take on a plane. I’m sorry……..
bqueen 01.08.09 at 1:24 pm
gypsy rebel 01.08.09 at 1:18 pm & HP Boston 01.08.09 at 1:12 pm
take out the pin and TAPE it on!
or make a cardboard dem4mccain and tape it on!
gypsy rebel 01.08.09 at 1:31 pm
Did you hear that HP Boston? Also, maybe you could make it into a necklace………..
murphy 01.08.09 at 1:31 pm
dang HP, can I come with you?
I promise not to talk politics or make any loud noises.
PROWL POSTED, take it upstairs!
Flasunshiner 01.08.09 at 1:33 pm
Prowled, Growled and voted today.
Barry sent an e-mail asking me to pay five dollars for his historic inaugural event open to the public. He can reach into his own pocket and pay for his party with the petty cash he has left over from his historically corrupt campaign.
Delle 01.08.09 at 1:44 pm
BillieJo #100
Maybe the women in Berkley wear the burka because they can.
The women in Demnark wear it because they live in fear.
Delle
Alice Rodham Puma 01.08.09 at 1:47 pm
Delle #125
I agree that Sharia is a concern, not just for Islamic women, but it should be for all women. Religious law (of any kind) should never take precedence over state laws and that is where the problem is as I see it. There must be a strong seperation of church (religion) and state as is enshrined in the US constitution, I believe it is the best way for the Western world to approach the issue.
At the same time though I just feel it is important to keep a sense of perspective.
I don’t know what percentage of Muslems live in those countries without looking it up, but I have visited all of them and they are lovely countries with lovely people, with laws that defend women and have in many cases achieved close to 50% representation of women in Parliament.
As for them becoming the majority, well I think that would take over 100 years if it ever happens I don’t think it is an immediate danger. With the courts in Europe, often what happens is that one judge rules one thing and then some other judge overrules them a few months later until it goes to the European Courts and they send it back telling them not to be so stupid. Thats just the way it seems to be. It is however because of women’s groups staying focused and offering these women the support they need. Hope that has explained my position anyway, it’s not that I think it isn’t an issue, it’s just that I hope we can keep a sense of perspective on it.
Delle 01.08.09 at 2:03 pm
Thank you Alice #140,
I am certainly trying to keep a sense of perspective and I hope that my fears are wrong.
My comments mostly concerned the country of Denmark. I have never been there, but I understand that the Islamic population is now 40%. The 60% of Danish are over 40 years. The Islamic immigrants are under 30. Half of them are under 15. It doesn’t sound good.
I have been to London a number of times and can see the difference in their society each time I visit.
Then, consider what is happening in France.
I do not think the Islamic movement should be taken lightly. It is quite threatening.
Delle
BillieJo 01.08.09 at 2:11 pm
BigCatLover 01.08.09 at 12:51 pm
Does anyone have a good theory about why Fitzgerald exposed his case against Blago before any money changed hands, probably dooming any successful indictment. Was he protectiong Obama or did he just make a mistake or is there any evidence he has political aspirations?
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BigCat
I’m not sure that Fitz exposed his case, rumor is that possibly one of his staff did…not sure.
Anyway, they gave out names of the lettered folks and not sure how that would hurt his case other than piss off folks that thought their names wouldn’t be mentioned. Next rumor is a notice was quickly sent to media to not disclose those names and so far, it’s worked.
Call me a fool…wouldn’t be the first time, but I don’t think Fitz is on the take and I believe (hope) he is hot on obie’s trail to bring his corruption into the light.
BillieJo 01.08.09 at 2:16 pm
Delle 01.08.09 at 1:44 pm
BillieJo #100
Maybe the women in Berkley wear the burka because they can.
The women in Demnark wear it because they live in fear.
Delle
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Please site your source…
BillieJo 01.08.09 at 2:18 pm
Flasunshiner 01.08.09 at 1:33 pm
Prowled, Growled and voted today.
Barry sent an e-mail asking me to pay five dollars for his historic inaugural event open to the public. He can reach into his own pocket and pay for his party with the petty cash he has left over from his historically corrupt campaign.
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The wanker sent me an email begging for bucks too….. Kiss My Ass Obie!
HP Boston 01.08.09 at 2:37 pm
War Brewing In Scandinavia. Blacks And Muslims Attacking Whites, Whites Prepare To Massacre Refugees. multikulscene.jpg (20611 bytes). Thu Nov 2 145449 2000 …
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HP Boston 01.08.09 at 2:42 pm
Old news but that was then…worse now?
Delle 01.08.09 at 2:48 pm
Very much worse now!
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