Friday: Open Thread and Femicide

and this is why I love PUMA. All of you, Sheri, Betty Jean, Riverdaughter and all you are legends in these times. Please don’t ever stop speaking out and SHOUT IT to the TOP.

I have not listened to the interview yet, but I have followed this story and I will listen. It is too sad and I am praying for miracles and for the misogyny to STOP, but it is only because of YOU PUMAs you civil rights leaders, women’s rights are human rights, it is because of you that hearts and minds might ever be changed and laws which need to change. Not because of hope and change, but genuine PUMA heart and hard work.

Murphy: I have often wondered whether women judges, when they presided over cases of female abuse by male perpetrators, husbands or otherwise, reflect similar sentencing time or punishment as those cases presided over by male judges.

I wonder if anyone has ever collected or reviewed those numbers.

I also wonder what the number relationship is between women and male judges who sit in jurisdictions that handle so called abuse cases.

ok.. I know this is off subject. But Chris Porter from out FEC prown is still responding to me. Below is his latest.. would anyone like to help me respond back?

When you and your group successful get the FEC to investigate President Bush’s campaigns and elections, then you will have my attention. I am so tired of the loosely tied factoid of a possible crime because you did not like to outcome of the election. Using words like independent research does not do it. Any one who has studied or carried out research knows that the person or group who is doing the research and their design matters greatly. Can you tell me who that is? Also, what mainstream media is reporting on this and can you site articles and dates. This is what I would like to see. I will assume that the sources are less then credible. Also do not just state names, if you have the links to the articles, that helps. So if you are going to have this discussion, let me examen the facts and not factoids and statements. If you email me back and you are serious, I assume you will have these facts.
Chris (clporter11@yahoo.com)

OMG nativegirl I was just gonna post something about this chris porter he just wrote me a email (in response to our prowl on audit) who the hell is this person he said (here is a copy of his email to me.
Hello,
It seems that since the electoral college argument failed, now it is the campaign he ran. When will it end. Many of you are like crack addicts in search of the next high. And like a crack addict, recovery and acceptance eludes you. So let me help. First: Know that your higher power would want you to surrender and accept. Say it with me: President Obama. Use it in a sentence: President Obama. It is easy to use in conversation. Example: There are people that do not believe that President Obama is a natural born citizen, but President Obama is working hard to make a better America. Are you not happy that President Obama is or President. I love President Obama. President Obama received 11 electors from the state of Washington. I think President Obama will do well. I would love to visit Hawaii where President Obama was born. It is no nice that we have a President Obama. Just think- in four years we get to re-elect President Obama.
Lastly, since that cold day in hell has happened and an African American has been elected as President. Bundle up bitches bundle up. President Obama will try to keep you warm.

Chris
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ho the heck is this man to call me a bitch.This email pissed me off!!!

sorry not ho it’s suppose to say who the heck is this man…

slyt2: From the tone and style of writing in his various emails, I think clearly he functioned as a troll in the Ojingo campaigns.

Tracking DeviceHow about using GPS monitoring to stop batterers?
By Maura Kelly

http://www.slate.com/id/2165568/

Just as GPS can find a lost driver, it can also alert cops and targets whenever a domestic-violence offender enters a restricted zone, like the area surrounding a woman’s home or office.

Police put an electronic bracelet on the batterer that sends a signal to computer servers at headquarters if he goes anywhere he shouldn’t. Then, if he violates a restraining order, they can call the woman to let her know that he is on his uninvited way. The idea is to buy women crucial time, even if it’s only minutes, so they can get away. The notification loop also kicks in if the offender tries to remove or deactivate the bracelet.

Ok.. Murphy.. he is all yours!!

Headclunker
He tried that with me too!! Until I told him that I was a minority!!

DancesWithPumas 12.19.08 at 11:04 am
Scarlet #16
How about two ankle bracelets that detonate and blow the abuser’s legs off when he wanders out of bounds? No need to waste human resources monitoring electronic devices, etc.
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OK

DancesWithPumas 12.19.08 at 11:04 am
Scarlet #16
How about two ankle bracelets that detonate and blow the abuser’s legs off when he wanders out of bounds? No need to waste human resources monitoring electronic devices, etc.
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OK
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I second the motion!

scarlet and gypsy
OK
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That was easy!!

Murphy, I am so glad you read that article. It really made me stop and think. I don’t understand how we can think throwing acid on girls going to school is horrible and scream about it, yet when we hear of a woman stabbed 40 times or shot by her husband we shrug. How did this happen to us? I have held jobs years ago when I cried on my way to work because of the type of treatment I got. Everyone shrugged it off. It is time to stop the “boys will be boys” attitude. These boys grow up thinking it’s ok. We see it all the time. I work in theatre now which is almost an entirely different world, but sometimes it is still there. We speak up, and we stop it. I wonder sometimes if it stops because it isn’t just the women speaking up, but men too. As you can tell, this is a sore point to me and with my periferal involvement with our woman’s shelter, what happened to Louisa is as well. I never realized it before, but this is my personal crusade. I’ve just never been vocal about it before, and thank you for letting me have this forum to grow.

“something’s up!!”
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Everything is slow… I think it’s the holidays.

This is changing the subject back to the last thread but I’ve been out shovelling (and will have to go back out- it isn’t done snowing yet)….

first of all I want to say how much I adore all the pet pics! I wish I could pet each one and give them a treat (I always have dog/cat treats in my car and in my room “just in caes” even though we live in a rental place that doesn’t allow pets- I give them to the neighbor pets!)…

Secondly I have a question. Do most of you feel that pit bulls are genetically dangerous animals? It sounded like that downstairs. I always thought (without any contact with pit bulls myself) that all dogs were loving and wonderful; it’s how they are treated that make them monsters. Do you feel pit bulls shouldn’t be allowed as pets?

Did everyone see a copy of the MN ballot that’s in CNN? I was surprised to see that Franken shows up in there as “democratic-farmer-labor”… what? Here in WI in my area the dems showed up as “democrat”. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
How did the dems show up on YOUR area ballots?

Hey PUMAS, gosh, I hate being away for awhile as it’s hard to get caught up. And many good posts in regards to Princess Caroline.

Mruphy, Fantastic opening thread!

Gov Paterson already has New Yorkers all riled up with his tax proprosals. A totally regressive tax proposal.

Look at some of his outragious proposals:

Captures $1.4 billion from hospitals, nursing homes, home health providers and pharmacists by eliminating inflation increases and reducing Medicaid reimbursement rates.

Redirects $141 million in funds for graduate medical education to the indigent care pool. (holy crap!)

Establishes a 9.6 percent surcharge on surgical and radiological services performed in non-hospital settings.

Increases the $600 biennial physician registration fee to $1,000, raising an additional $6 million.

Watch how all of the good pyschicians flee the state and go elsewhere if any of these go through, let alone froget financial support in assisting to educate those who may have cared enough to enter the field…

Those who are interested in what this Gov is up to to trying to empty our pockets to fund thier fiscal mismanagement:
http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=751284&TextPage=1

I couldn’t help myself and I wrote to Paterson (yesterday) on this and I also included a comment in regards to ‘Princess’ Caroline. I also suggested to him that I consider him to be the same as Blagojevich if he appoints her (minus money accusations as there isn’t any suggestion of that yet). The Paterson police will probably be at my door soon. I am just so pissed.

Notyoursweetie always having great insight and made my day suggesting the same thing about Princes Caroline:

“It would be an oversimplification to say that Mike Bloomberg is the main man behind the Caroline Kennedy tsunami that’s hit in the last two days. There are others behind the wave of support, as well. Some, for example, say that Rahm Emanuel has such a need to fill senate seats he’s now calling David Paterson instead of Rod Blagojevich.”
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/12/19/puppet-on-a-strin-strings-for-caroline/

It started snowing. They predicted LOTS for here. Need to get some more things done……

Oh! and I did the prowls yesterday as well.

And so Sorry to mipell ‘Murphy’

“Mama Government” Treats Americans Like Small Children
by John Hawkins

Meanwhile, the list of things “Mama” wants to control seem to be rapidly and endlessly expanding, even down to the minutia. The government wants to choose whether you watch analog or digital TV. They’re levying special taxes on downloaded music, movie tickets, soda, and massages. They’re even demanding that you get rid of the incandescent lightbulbs in your house, apparently because that’s too big of a decision for you to make on your own. They’re even thinking about deciding whom you get to listen to on the radio via the Fairness Doctrine, putting a GPS tracker in your car so they can tax you for driving at the “wrong” time of day, and actually controlling the thermostat in your house.

http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2008/12/19/mama_government_treats_americans_like_small_children

BTW, in February 2009, only those with cable, satellite, digital TV or those TVs with a digital converter attached to them will work.

I have cable and satellite, but a few TVs that are hooked up to the attic antennae. I did buy a digital TV and got a couple of the digital converters compliments of the US government. The TVs that are not on cable or satellite work fine. The others look like this:

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ0BnZ0WRqg&NR=1

And, I am only 20 miles away from Chicago. No large buildings near. Actually, the video shows the reception coming in better than what I get. The voice goes in and out, voice does not match the person’s lip movements and picture goes in and out sometimes.

There are 13 million households without cable or satellite. I think they will be very angry if their reception with a digital converter is as bad as mine if they can even get any reception.

The government sold the analog channels to AT&T, Verizon, etc. for billions of dollars.

Thanks janelb1950… so this is unique to MN then? Showing the “history” part of the dem ticket there on the ballot? I only know this part of WI, and was surprised to see it showing up on the ballot like that in MN…

#43- and NO Murphy I do EAT any of them! To be honest, I really was upset when I read that. Everyone around here knows that I am about the biggest animal lover in this area…. and that hurt…..

KarenWi – Being an old Swede (born and raised in WI) – I think it’s more likely that a bunch of stubborn Scandinavians refused to give in and the name was a compromise. Nonetheless – it stuck!

scarlet, the term they use here is “nanny state”, meaning the government is so involved in your life they may as well be in your bedroom. Latest thing banned here is being on a cell phone and driving – high fine and points off your license. Like we are too stupid to figure out a phone call and driving at the same time is not a good mix.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/with-economy-in-shambles-congress-gets-a-raise-2008-12-17.html

With economy in shambles, Congress gets a raise
By Jordy Yager
Posted: 12/17/08 05:41 PM [ET]

A crumbling economy, more than 2 million constituents who have lost their jobs this year, and congressional demands of CEOs to work for free did not convince lawmakers to freeze their own pay.

Instead, they will get a $4,700 pay increase, amounting to an additional $2.5 million that taxpayers will spend on congressional salaries, and watchdog groups are not happy about it.

“As lawmakers make a big show of forcing auto executives to accept just $1 a year in salary, they are quietly raiding the vault for their own personal gain,” said Daniel O’Connell, chairman of The Senior Citizens League (TSCL), a non-partisan group. “This money would be much better spent helping the millions of seniors who are living below the poverty line and struggling to keep their heat on this winter.”

However, at 2.8 percent, the automatic raise that lawmakers receive is only half as large as the 2009 cost of living adjustment of Social Security recipients.

Still, Steve Ellis, vice president of the budget watchdog Taxpayers for Common Sense, said Congress should have taken the rare step of freezing its pay, as lawmakers did in 2000.

“Look at the way the economy is and how most people aren’t counting on a holiday bonus or a pay raise — they’re just happy to have gainful employment,” said Ellis. “But you have the lawmakers who are set up and ready to get their next installment of a pay raise and go happily along their way.”

Member raises are often characterized as examples of wasteful spending, especially when many constituents and businesses in members’ districts are in financial despair.

Rep. Harry Mitchell, a first-term Democrat from Arizona, sponsored legislation earlier this year that would have prevented the automatic pay adjustments from kicking in for members next year. But the bill, which attracted 34 cosponsors, failed to make it out of committee.

“They don’t even go through the front door. They have it set up so that it’s wired so that you actually have to undo the pay raise rather than vote for a pay raise,” Ellis said.

Freezing congressional salaries is hardly a new idea on Capitol Hill.

Lawmakers have floated similar proposals in every year dating back to 1995, and long before that. Though the concept of forgoing a raise has attracted some support from more senior members, it is most popular with freshman lawmakers, who are often most vulnerable.

In 2006, after the Republican-led Senate rejected an increase to the minimum wage, Democrats, who had just come to power in the House with a slew of freshmen, vowed to block their own pay raise until the wage increase was passed. The minimum wage was eventually increased and lawmakers received their automatic pay hike.

In the beginning days of 1789, Congress was paid only $6 a day, which would be about $75 daily by modern standards. But by 1965 members were receiving $30,000 a year, which is the modern equivalent of about $195,000.

Currently the average lawmaker makes $169,300 a year, with leadership making slightly more. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) makes $217,400, while the minority and majority leaders in the House and Senate make $188,100.

Ellis said that while freezing the pay increase would be a step in the right direction, it would be better to have it set up so that members would have to take action, and vote, for a pay raise and deal with the consequences, rather than get one automatically.

“It is probably never going to be politically popular to raise Congress’s salary,” he said. “I don’t think you’re going to find taxpayers saying, ‘Yeah I think I should pay my congressman more’.”

DancesWithPumas
Warren just defies description. It took a while for me to find this story again, but I just about choked when I did. He actually said “I don’t hate gays, I gave them donuts”.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/18/rick-warren-i-dont-hate-g_n_152157.html

I think Blago is holding his news conference at 2 Central.

Apparently, the Appointed One plans to continue his fondness for buddying up to terrorists. Move on over Ayers…

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/19/report-obama-team-planning-iranian-outreach-post/

#55 kat – We must make attacks on women into a hate crime.

You got that right.

re: murphy’s post.

The reason why women do not always identify with women–like on a universal gender plane–is because women are being conditioned by a male dominated society to not trust or care for other women who are not in our circles.

It’s the same culture and media that gets men to hate women. It *also* gets women to hate other women.

Now, no doubt there is natural rivalry (for mates, etc)…but I think there is a reason why it is “ok” for female obots to wear “Palin is a C***” t-shirts, etc etc. I think they are brainwashed by our patriarchal society. It’s like a stupid sickness…like tripping full time, they cannot see out from under the warped false reality.

So…it’s not just the males but also the females who are being trained to hate women.

*There are more women. Obviously if we coalesced we would be the single most powerful group on the planet.*

The *culture* (media, attitudes, etc) has serious motive to keep women apart. If women stay separated and do not bond on a universal gender plane…the Men Win and Maintain the POWER.

Men like power. Men like power in the home, in politics, in business….everywhere.

That’s why men like to control women with money…with Roe v Wade…with…hiring and firing…etc etc.

Just keep this in mind:

Five women sitting at a cafe is a threat to man’s power. Two women on the phone is a threat to man’s power. A woman closing the curtains behind her in a voting booth is a threat to man’s power. A television program on terrorism against women…that awareness is a threat to man’s power. Another woman author, director, actor, artist, business builder is a threat to man’s power. Another woman who decides to not marry is a threat to man’s power. A woman who decides to “go back to school” is a threat to man’s power.

And, I’ll have you know…just ME listening to “FreeUsNow” radio the other night spawned this half-joking comment by my boyfriend: “Free Us Now?? What–are you some kind of raging feminist now?” See? Woman Awareness. Woman Bonding. A threat.

SO, I have said this before: I have not always liked women or trusted women, and in a lot of ways that is still true, but I got their back. Men didn’t ever want women to have each other’s back. But we know this: Men *always* have each other’s back. I think it’s because men bond with other men on a universal gender plane. Women don’t do that.

(P.S. I am speaking in generalities…I know it’s not *all* men or *all* women.)

emme #58

Violent crime against women becoming a “hate crime” was murphy’s idea, I believe.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=41042

NY Lawmaker Questions Kennedy Charity’s Exemption
Thursday, December 18, 2008
By Michael Gormley, Associated Press

Albany, N.Y. (AP) – New York’s Assembly will examine whether a charity that U.S. Senate hopeful Caroline Kennedy helps run was properly granted an exemption that allows her and other officials in the organization to avoid disclosing details about their finances.

Democratic Assemblyman James Brennan questions the decision by the New York City Conflicts of Interest Board to exempt The Fund for Public Schools from a state law aimed at airing the financial dealings of charities.

Kennedy, who hopes to succeed Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Senate, is vice-chairwoman of the not-for-profit organization.

The law requires most volunteer directors of charities working with state and municipal governments to disclose investments, outside pay and other financial connections. It was passed partly to assure that charities aren’t shadow agencies of the governments they support.

On Dec. 10, the city board told Brennan’s Assembly committee that Kennedy’s charity would be exempt from disclosure. The board decision came two days after Mayor Michael Bloomberg enthusiastically boosted Kennedy as New York senator should Clinton be confirmed as President-elect Barack Obama’s secretary of state.

“I think it’s a matter of concern as to whether the statute applies to them or not,” Brennan said. “Certainly this needs to be rethought … we’ll check into it.”

Kennedy spokesman Josh Isay didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

If the Assembly determines the exemption was improperly granted and it can’t negotiate a solution with the charity, it could sue for disclosure. It also could try to amend the law to eliminate the city’s argument for exempting the charity.

The effort led by Brennan means there is likely support for action by Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, one of the state’s most powerful leaders.

This was the first year the fund would have had to comply but a decision was delayed as the city considered exemptions that are allowable under the law. Neither Kennedy nor Gov. David Paterson, who will appoint the state’s next senator, will discuss her financial information.

Much of the Kennedy’s family wealth is tied up in trusts and other mechanisms that conceal its scope from public view. Caroline Kennedy is the last survivor in her family, making it likely she received an inheritance from her mother – once married to Greek shipping tycoon Aristotle Onassis – and from her late brother, John F. Kennedy Jr. She also assumed an oceanfront property her mother owned on Martha’s Vineyard.

The Fund for Public Schools has raised more than $233 million since 2002 from individuals, corporations and foundations to better fund the city’s public school system. Kennedy was hired as its chief fundraiser in 2003, getting a nominal salary, but is now vice-chair.

The 2006 state law seeks to reveal if government officials have “substantial operational control” of a nonprofit organization. The Conflicts of Interest Board determined the Kennedy charity should be exempt from disclosure laws because isn’t affiliated with city government.

The chairman of The Fund for Public Schools is Joel Klein, the city schools chancellor, who was appointed to the city job by Bloomberg.

“That would seem to indicate substantial control,” Brennan said when told of Klein’s role as chairman. “We would certainly suggest to them (the city conflicts board) that they are making a mistake, excluding them from coverage.”

“There’s this gray area,” said Dick Dadey, executive director of Citizens Union, a city watchdog group that has followed the issue.

“The letter of the law is being followed,” Dadey said. But he added, “I think they probably should not be exempt.”

murphy are you central time??
I’m trying to figure out if it will effect my soap(general hospital).

#66 Karen,
Oh, here we go again! Just change the rules so you don’t break the rules. What the heck is wrong with these people?

“Propagandist “Tokyo Rose” would be so pleased. Plus Pundita’s “Barack (I’m not a crook) Obama, Nadhmi (I’m not a crook) Auchi, Tony (I’m not a crook) Rezko, and the Democrat (We’re not idiots) leadership”

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/12/19/propagandist-tokyo-rose-would-be-so-pleased-plus-punditas-barack-im-not-a-crook-obama-nadhmi-im-not-a-crook-auchi-tony-im-not-a-crook-rezko-and-the-democrat-were-not-idiots/

“Yes, indeed. “Tokyo Rose” would be so pleased!

Mis- and disinformation have dominated the role played by the Tanning Bed Media throughout this past campaign season. Without presenting all the details, because you should read them for yourself, American Thinkers’ James Lewis presents us with limitless possibilities in Is Obama vulnerable to blackmail? Should these not have been considered by those wise men and women called Superdelegates and DNC leadership, whom, as we all know, didn’t — or weren’t capable of — thinking things through much at all?”

#71
That YouTube made me cry. bbl!

emme 12.19.08 at 9:04 am
(((freddie)))
I must confess…I think I’ve just fallen in love with Fred!
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Emme – We’re still in love with Fred after 10 years !! I will post more pictures if I can. We take him around and people just look and him and crack up cos he has such a scruffy look. Now he is sitting on my lap while I am typing. I wish I could find his siblings to see if there are offsprings. He was found by some people in a ditch and no one could keep him. Now I have to work extra hours to feed him. He won’t eat no dog food – hand cut chicken/beef/occasional Pork and some vegetables please. He eats around his dry food whenever we sneak it in.

((((BJ)))), more prayers on the way and positive thoughts towards you and your daughters. No mother or daughters should every have to go though what you and your girls are experiencing.
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As a woman that has been in the woman ‘lynching’ situation, and only alive today because of a lucky and perfect kick to the groin that saved my life…I think lynching is too kind of a word to define it.

Part of the whole PC bs in this country- let’s get real and be more honest! ‘Domestic violence’ are words to make it sound like a screaming match that ends with a slap or punch…. like ‘Friendly Fire’ is to soften the horror of someone killed accidentally by their own soldiers in a war. The cute ‘fuzzy bunny’ word doesn’t serve as a mask to parents who’s son or daughter is brought home in a body bag.

When Progressive Domestic MURDER happens, the horror is not a rouge event that happens out of the blue, a one time event that ends in murder. It is a progression of abuse that happens before the murder, often starts will verbal abuse, then punching, kicking, rape, degradation, control and isolation…….. ………………..and then ends in MURDER.

(This pattern of progression by the way, is very much the same for a man murdering a strange woman or child, it is just accelerated because the murderer does not know the victim…but the progression is very similar.)

Without attaching the progression of abuse to the end result of murder is where society does not think groping a cardboard figure of Hillary is such a big deal.

LATEST E FROM OBAMA

What is concerning to me is that 10% want to run for elected office. They will probably be urge to become committeeman – a very powerful position with no experience required.

Here is the email:

scarlett –

You helped build the most powerful and effective grassroots movement in America.

Now, you’re helping to define how this movement will support President-elect Obama’s agenda and continue to bring the change we need.

The more voices that are part of this process, the better the results will be.

And so far, the response has been remarkable — 550,000 people completed the online supporter survey. And this past weekend, supporters organized more than 4,000 Change is Coming house meetings in 2,000 cities across all 50 states.

Take an inside look at a house meeting in Virginia. Watch the video, see photos from meetings all across the country, and share your feedback.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/saying

Supporters like you are deciding how this movement will go forward. And your dedication is incredible.

House meetings were held in 2,000 cities. In Florida there were 302 events across the state. In Pennsylvania there were 165, and Ohio had 160.

From these meetings, survey responses, and thousands of conversations on My.BarackObama and email, your ideas about the future of this organization are taking shape.

Here are a few things you shared in the survey:

House meetings were the primary way supporters got involved in the campaign
People are excited to volunteer around a number of top issues, including education, the environment, health care, poverty, and the economy
86 percent of respondents feel it’s important to help Barack’s administration pass legislation through grassroots support
68 percent feel it’s important to help elect state and local candidates who share the same vision for our country
And a staggering 10 percent of respondents indicated that they would be interested in running for elected office
This feedback is essential to our next steps, because this movement is fueled by your ideas and your passion.

Watch the house meetings video and get involved by taking the survey or hosting a meeting of your own:

http://my.barackobama.com/meetingvideo

Between now and Barack’s inauguration, we’ll continue to collect your ideas and feedback.

After the inauguration, we should be able to announce a clear plan for the future of this movement — a plan determined by you.

Thanks for being a part of this journey to bring about change in the years to come,

David

David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America

(end of e mail)

It seems that everyone wants their own kind of change. Some will not get it. What is below was posted by Billie Jo yesterday.

BillieJo 12.19.08 at 4:50 am

I know everyone is asleep but was looking at the obot website after hearing that the koolaid is starting to wear off even before the Pretender is in office.

They have an area that obots can ask that one a question about his policies and the number one question tells you something about his bloggers and supporters..

* Cynthia

I must have missed this: Obama’s hypocritical and insulting response… What was it?

* Jose Melendez

I can answer this, Cynthia. On http://www.change.gov/newsroom/entry/open_for_questions_…, the top question with “over 600,000 votes from more than 10,000 people on more than 7,300 questions” was:

Q: “Will you consider legalizing marijuana so that the government can regulate it, tax it, put age limits on it, and create millions of new jobs and create a billion dollar industry right here in the U.S.?” S. Man, Denton

The answer was:

A: President-elect Obama is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana.

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Yup, they are wanting their bong times to be legal because obie was a druggie.

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BillieJo 12.19.08 at 5:05 am

Another obot complaint on that one’s blog…

* +4
* Vote up
* Vote down

* scott prato

Hello change.org. I have a good question for you. If Obama is not going to listen to the top rated idea on this website why are we doing this? If Legalization of Marijuana for medicinal and recreational purposes is the top rated idea and Obama doesn’t agree then why are we voting? If the People of this country have stated their desire and the new Adminstration doesn’t approve then there is no point on voting on any of these issues. We are talking and the government is chucking our vote in the trash by blowing us off. This new Regime seems a lot like the Bush one! Disillusioned and Disappointed.

Freddie
Got the Verizon aircard from Best Buy…
slower than broadband, of course, but so far so good!
Depending on the weather this weekend, I’m going to test it out in the Anza-Borrego desert this weekend.

What is going on with this press conference. No TV here. Just snow covered windows and freezing cold university library all around me.

Does it look like a sports conference…all lined up and sitting in a row with press in the lower audience? Or is it like senate hearings? Or just basic podium and press set up?

Blago claims he’s innocent…

Also, just in, $$shole Franken is now ahead….I just can’t believe that they even allow this to go on…oh, yeah, that’s right, ACORN is allowed to manipulate the shots on this…F$%%king ACORN….

“Global Labor and Politics: Solis for Labor: SEIU Gets Pay Off, Blago Under Arrest” by Steve Diamond

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/19/global-labor-and-politics-solis-for-labor-seiu-gets-pay-off-blago-under-arrest/#comment-1096259

MURPHY -

I didn’t watch it on TV. I listened to it on local radio, but Blago’s lawyer who was at the news conference represented R Kelly and got him off inspite of videos. That may be the guy you want and the one you are talking about.

#8 nativegirl 12.19.08 at 10:46 am

re: Chris Porter … would anyone like to help me respond back?

” can you site articles and dates. … if you have the links to the articles, that helps.”
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Poor Chris is unable to discern between cite and site, but anyway here is the authoritative link

http://fec.gov/

@ # 95

monkeys*…not monkies* lol.

Ok, enough of me monkeying around. I need to get downtown and gotta bundle up and go.

See yas later.

Femicide and rape are the reasons I am against “hate crime” legislation. All crimes committed against a human are hate based crimes. These things are not more hate filled if the victim is gay. The only difference is that it is unusual for a male to be the victim of a “hate crime”, that kind of outrage is usually reserved for women who don’t conform to straight mens desires or get in the way of some mans total and complete freedom. Yeah it is about time we as a society talk about the misogyny in this culture and hold the liberal men accountable. Also it is time for the gay men and men of color that women’s groups like NOW have devoted themselves to to stand up against the misogyny in corporate media and everywhere else. At the very least would it be possible to have a womans group devoted ONLY to women’s issues? We are 52% of the population.

The big dude should be Sam Adams Jr, the older head dude lawyer Ed Genson.

As Time puts campaign propaganda on ots cover, the poster creator has second thoughts
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/12/19/propaganda-outlasts-b0bot-support/

KarenWI 12.19.08 at 12:12 pm
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Secondly I have a question. Do most of you feel that pit bulls are genetically dangerous animals? It sounded like that downstairs. I always thought (without any contact with pit bulls myself) that all dogs were loving and wonderful; it’s how they are treated that make them monsters. Do you feel pit bulls shouldn’t be allowed as pets?//
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AFAIK, they were bred to fight bulls in a ring, and bring them down by unbreakably locking onto their throats. They have huge jaw muscles.

Aside from genetic temperament issues, the problem is partially their capacities; they are very GOOD at inflicting serious or fatal damage. A berserker toy poodle, Scottie, Jack Russell, collie, shepherd, Rottweiler, or pit bull all have different ability and probability of injuring or killing.

Can anyone (preferably a liberal dem PUMA) tell me, did Al Franken win fair and square? I really hope so. I know there are repubs here who would say no, but I want an honest opinion based on the facts. Is ACORN anywhere near the recount mess???

Do you SUPPOSE

Rats… it sent it before I was done. What I was typing was…do you SUPPOSE that O was the “head guy” in the Blago operation, and that Blago is planning on spilling the beans on him in court? Boy, wouldn’t that be great?

DeadGirl 12.19.08 at 4:07 pm

Can anyone (preferably a liberal dem PUMA) tell me, did Al Franken win fair and square? I really hope so. I know there are repubs here who would say no, but I want an honest opinion based on the facts. Is ACORN anywhere near the recount mess???//
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What you are hoping for is an answer “against interest”;
‘If even a liberal dem has doubts …’

In any case, simply consider the box of 200 ballots, 100% for Franken, “found” in a poll worker’s car 2 days after the election. And then allowed and counted.

Honest jurisdictions, such as Iraq, would have laughed and burned the ballot box unopened.

oh my…..

there are no fuckin words:

“That sucks. I didn’t even point a gun at her,”

http://www.northjersey.com/bergen/Man_in_shotgun_case_barred_from_contacting_ill_wife_.html

Hi Freddie,
I signed a two-yera contract with Verizon. What’s nice about it is teh contract penalty is prorated… they deduct $5 per month, and calculate the penalkty based on remaining number of months. Also, I can switch from plans. That is to say, if i find that I don’t need so many gigabytes per month @60/mo, I can downgrade to $40. per month. I guess I like the flexibility (and consideration), even though I don’t foresee exercising those options.

I’ll think about buying your phone and contract, if you like (especially if you toss Fred in with the deal!! )

Oh! By the way, check your email in about 15 minutes. Personal.
and, I uploaded the photos from last night this morning before heading off to work. Cute, cute, cute.

Does anyone know when Gov Paterson will be making a decision on the NY senate seat soon?

Murphy, we need to keep bitching about the Caroline Kennedy issue – as someone here said, we don’t need a Stepford Senator. We need one who has experience and demonstrated ability. We are aware that she takes cues from Obama whom she is sticking very closely to but when there are so many deserving women (Republicans are good people too)we need to give the best candidate a chance. We don’t need more people hanging on to family ties to get their way around politics.

Murphy, the lawyers for Blago were defending some really high profile cases not that long ago – I forget which but they were talked about on the news the other day. I think he got the best defense in that respect. Perhaps people will start to back off, who knows.

KarenWI: Helicoptors circle Blago’s home, the press is parked 24/7 in front and he has a security detail. Who’s gonna kill him?

Why wasn’t this reported by the MSM? What else don’t we know?
DNA of all newborns are reported to the gov.
http://savagepolitics.com/american-ginny-pigs

Let’s keep telling Gov. Paterson that we don’t want a Stepford Senator put into Hillary’s place. What an insult!

I was just rying to pull up Caroline’s voting record and the article came up and was immediately aborted, Now it’s not available and the article by Yahoo has also disappeared.

Can someone post Gov Paterson’s info again so the folks who want to do daily reminders to him have access readily ?

I wonder if there could be a permanent page where prowls and relevant informatiion and details are kept so it can be our “go to” page when we feel that doing our own additional prowls are necessary.

For example when I have a minute in a particular day and I hear another disgusting thing about an issue, I can send a fax or email right away. Out sight sometimes means out of mind so keeping their info in view can propel us to keep hammering it home.

freddiebrown 12.19.08 at 5:25 pm
Can someone post Gov Paterson’s info again so the folks who want to do daily reminders to him have access readily ?
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Will get back to doing that…
I used to post the prowls on the Alerts page and teh Prowls page… fell behine. Will begin anew. It was a good idea then, and it’s still a good idea.

Caroline doesn’t vote all that much.
No Stepford Senator for NYS, please.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/12/18/2008-12-18_records_show_caroline_kennedy_failed_to_.html

atypical

Maybe she has already known that an individual’s votes don’t count anyway (I’m being a bit sarcastic here…). Here’s a Daily News Link

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/12/18/2008-12-18_records_show_caroline_kennedy_failed_to_.html

Murphy, if you didn’t see it before the lawyers’ names should be Sam Adams Jr (the big dude, according to NPR) and the older head dude lawyer Ed Genson.

On Chris Porter–I left a comment on this site earlier that Porter was sending threatening emails to commenters at pumapac.org:
http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=11729
It was mysteriously deleted, and now I see the comments are closed, “Sorry, after 3 weeks of commentlessness, comment time is over.”
Hee, hee, do I sense Pumas behind this?

Wonder if the hospital Chris Porter works for knows he thinks women are “bitches”.

(@ #114 taggles)

Pumas, see here:

Louisa Rodas actions…need puma comments. (Read post, click links to leave a few different comments.)

http://dailypuma.blogspot.com/2008/12/business-owner-and-mother-shot-in-face.html

ChristineRI 12.19.08 at 4:13 pm

The women’s movement was responsible for the ‘sexual revolution’, whereas it was proclaimed that women had just as much right to sexual promiscuity as men. This ‘right’ sent the fight for equality in the wrong direction. The passage of Roe v. Wade made it even easier and more acceptable for women to engage in frequent, meaningless, casual sex. This behavior has reinforced the notion of women as sex objects, when the goal should have been to utilize all of the other strengths and attributes that women have to offer society.
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It didn’t feel that way at the time. Casual sex (made possible by The Pill) felt very liberating, very empowering. My revelation role models were Melina Mercouri’s characters in “Never on Sunday” and “Topkapi”, and Diana Rigg’s Emma Peel in “The Avengers” (rather similar to Hillary).

I am under the impression that Murohy is creating a Prowl regarding our boy chris.

ChristineRI 107: I think it’s the fact that we live in a Puritanical society-not the women’s movement-that allows women to be treated as sex objects. The women’s movement via the “sexual revolution” was simply the first step away from a Puritanical society. The problem is that it stopped there and didn’t continue on its path of change.

well, if anyone does anything about chris, just know I keep stuffing info on him up at the action forum:

http://pumapac.org/forums/action/#comment-260896

Here is article and photo of George Hartwig in court with woman attorney:

http://logisticsmonster.com/2008/12/19/i-didnt-even-point-a-gun-at-her/

I don’t know Nimja… didn’t actually do it, but some hospitals have websites where they have their staff listed. If he’s a nurse practitioner, he MIGHT be listed…. like I say, it was just a random thought….

ACORN is definitely big in MN. Mysterious ballots were being found everywhere, and they somehow favor Franken. It is to my understanding, that 5,000 ballots are being investigated starting Monday. I sure hope Coleman surpasses Franken.

taggles 1
just read the story, he just is clueless, he doesn’t understand he did something wrong – Ungeheuer!!!
Doesn’t the look on Betty Jean’s face just rip your hear out

We are shut down here, not a highway open and we need to get to Listowel tomorrow (small town, an hour away deeper into snowbelt territory)
got 3 loads of stuff to the woman’s shelter today and hope to get the rest tomorrow, weather permitting. Karen, I am going to see if I can find your area on a map, sounds so much like what we are getting. tonight’s temp will be about -14 F (-27 C)

Ex-DemInVA
You are right about the big Dobe’s, our vet told us they were ideal for small children. Our miniature pincher is 12 and has never been around small children. That is why I will not trust him around an active 14 month old. I hate to say it, but I just can’t. The little ones don’t have the same temperament as the larger breed.

DANCES – ARE YOU THERE ???? PLS CHECK EMAIL.

Brian,

Pit bulls should be compared to other medium sized dogs or to larger dogs as to potential damage they could do. Citing smaller breeds just confuses the issue.

If you’re going to consider what a breed was bred for, look at the behavior they were bred for also. We need to worry about dogs that were bred to chase human and smaller prey, rather than dogs that were bred to stand their ground in a pit against a bull.

Has anyone heard about Michelle Obama complaining that it is “unacceptable” that her children do not have a place to live starting Jan. 5 so they can go to school? Rush was covering this today. Obama HAS an apartment in D.C., but she will NOT stay there because she doesn’t like it. Bush apparently, went out of his way to help them stay at some nice hotel or something in D.C. for that time and she could have any suite she’d like. Nope, it wasn’t good enough. Rush said he has NEVER heard of this type of behavior. He pointed out that the military families go through this moving and changing schools every year or so. They don’t complain. When we were in the military, during one move, the moving van took off with out stuff for two weeks. They didn’t know where it was. We slept on an air mattress for two weeks with the dog with minimal items since it was on the truck. Our child slept in it’s crib. That’s life.

I guess Michele is above that. Did anyone say elite?

Nijma # 155

freddiebrown 12.19.08 at 6:56 pm
If anyone has Dances phone # please ask her to check her email from Freddie – Pretty please.
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Got it!

Fred,
check email 08

freddiepoo?

LOL Love it!

kat
all is well… just last minute stuff.

Obama’s choice of Poet for inauguration….

(Personally, I am just happy to see it is a woman.)

But American Thinker has an opinion:

“Obama’s Poet”
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/12/obamas_poet.html

“Her poetry is as lightweight as her scholarship. Her poems fluctuate between maudlin ramblings about being a woman — like these opening lines from “Neonatology”:

(I’m not posting it…go read her poetry…)

freddie…
maybe Freddiepooh would be better?

hee, hee, more info

http://pumapac.org/forums/action/#comment-261346

but self-employed….hmm.

oooOOooooh…
oh my, nijma, good work.

NewOrleansPuma….LOL!

Obama figgin sucks.

professional sanctions example for Washington?
http://www.molinahealthcare.com/medicaid/providers/wa/pdf/Forms%20Addendum%20to%20WPA.pdf

okay, that’s it for now, time to shovel snow

Santa told me he is going to be really busy this year, because so many people are getting coal and monsters in their stockings….now tell me again how many obots voted for Oblahblah….

good job Nijma!

I’ll be back later too.

NOP…he he.

jenni:We need to teach our daughters to IGNORE boys

and set an example first?–good luck with that–I won’t be first in line

boys
*sighs longingly*

kat, thx

jenniforhillary 12.19.08 at 7:38 pm
dances….I told santa to give you hugs and one whupping for xmas
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hey now! What is it with you always jonesin’ a whuppin’ for me?? I’m beginning to get a complex over here, ya know.

NOP is right, figs are squishy like a mango–without the pit–and they taste MUCH better than camel.

188katinhat: Ha! Yeah, ya rite!

hey jenni, you go right ahead and ignore all the guys you want–send ‘em to me–I’ll just multitask.

Can we do something about this!!!

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/with-economy-in-shambles-congress-gets-a-raise-2008-12-17.html

Murphy: Regarding your post here..MSM goes even farther in the opposite direction on NBC..another new denigrating brainwashing reality show…this time…3 men among 32 women and three mothers of the three men who will choose a woman for him…called Mama’s Boy I think…this is a fallback not even to the attitudes of the 50s. I saw 10 minutes of it and wanted to upchuck…All images re women and girls now on tv are those of servitude and oh.men…really really bad, Murphy…worse than I remember ever.

With Jenn’s idea in mind, we have to start by telling our daughters different bedtime (and day-time) stories. Almost every “once-upon-a-time” (and almost all the Disney depictions) feature a happily-ever-after than can only come when the damsel in distress meets her one true love (rescuer, of course). Our girls need to hear a different metanarrative.

“Our girls need to hear a different metanarrative.”

Murphy, start churning out that series of books…

201 taggles…

thanks for the link. Boo-fucking-hoo indeed. What a surprise!

We need good role models for how to have non-lethal relationships. I have enough degrees to demonstrate plenty of wisdom about navigating academia, but we need something good to teach our daughters–and sons–(and I have none of the above) about how to integrate romance into healthy personal life.

Reminds me of the old poster “If you are willing to give up your career goals for love, you will have neither.”

So what would happen if suddenly, magically, men could menstruate and women could not?

Clearly, menstruation would become an enviable, worthy, masculine event:

Men would brag about how long and how much.

Young boys would talk about it as the envied beginning of manhood. Gifts, religious ceremonies, family dinners, and stag parties would mark the day.

To prevent monthly work loss among the powerful, Congress would fund a National Institute of Dysmenorrhea. Doctors would research little about heart attacks, from which men would be hormonally protected, but everything about cramps.

Sanitary supplies would be federally funded and free. Of course, some men would still pay for the prestige of such commercial brands as Paul Newman Tampons, Muhammad Ali’s Rope-a-Dope Pads, John Wayne Maxi Pads, and Joe Namath Jock Shields- “For Those Light Bachelor Days.”

Statistical surveys would show that men did better in sports and won more Olympic medals during their periods.

Generals, right-wing politicians, and religious fundamentalists would cite menstruation (“men-struation”) as proof that only men could serve God and country in combat (“You have to give blood to take blood”), occupy high political office (“Can women be properly fierce without a monthly cycle governed by the planet Mars?”), be priests, ministers, God Himself (“He gave this blood for our sins”), or rabbis (“Without a monthly purge of impurities, women are unclean”).

Male liberals and radicals, however, would insist that women are equal, just different; and that any woman could join their ranks if only she were willing to recognize the primacy of menstrual rights (“Everything else is a single issue”) or self-inflict a major wound every month (“You must give blood for the revolution”).

Street guys would invent slang (“He’s a three-pad man”) and “give fives” on the corner with some exchenge like, “Man you lookin’ good!”

“Yeah, man, I’m on the rag!”

TV shows would treat the subject openly. (Happy Days: Richie and Potsie try to convince Fonzie that he is still “The Fonz,” though he has missed two periods in a row. Hill Street Blues: The whole precinct hits the same cycle.) So would newspapers. (Summer Shark Scare Threatens Menstruating Men. Judge Cites Monthlies In Pardoning Rapist.) And so would movies. (Newman and Redford in Blood Brothers!)

Men would convince women that sex was more pleasurable at “that time of the month.” Lesbians would be said to fear blood and therefore life itself, though all they needed was a good menstruating man.

Medical schools would limit women’s entry (“they might faint at the sight of blood”).

Of course, intellectuals would offer the most moral and logical arguements. Without the biological gift for measuring the cycles of the moon and planets, how could a woman master any discipline that demanded a sense of time, space, mathematics– or the ability to measure anything at all? In philosophy and religion, how could women compensate for being disconnected from the rhythm of the universe? Or for their lack of symbolic death and resurrection every month?

Menopause would be celebrated as a positive event, the symbol that men had accumulated enough years of cyclical wisdom to need no more.

Liberal males in every field would try to be kind. The fact that “these people” have no gift for measuring life, the liberals would explain, should be punishment enough.

And how would women be trained to react? One can imagine right-wing women agreeing to all these arguements with a staunch and smiling masochism. (“The ERA would force housewives to wound themselves every month”: Phyllis Schlafly)

In short, we would discover, as we should already, that logic is in the eye of the logician. (For instance, here’s an idea for theorists and logicians: if women are supposed to be less rational and more emotional at the beginning of our menstrual cycle when the female hormone is at its lowest level, then why isn’t it logical to say that, in those few days, women behave the most like the way men behave all month long? I leave further improvisation up to you.)

The truth is that, if men could menstruate, the power justifications would go on and on.

If we let them.

http://www.haverford.edu/psych/ddavis/p109g/steinem.menstruate.html

If men got pregnant there would be an family planning clinic on every corner of main street usa.

alrighty murphy you one upped me. give me a minute or two.

In Sweden the campaign for maternity leave went something like “Should working women be able to have children”? It’s how you frame it. We can’t frame the career argument to teach children that women can’t be sexy and desired and still have a professional life at the same time. The boys have to learn it at the same time–which means the fathers need to be taught as well.

213 turndownobama

Well, different dog breeds do have different instincts. Some have a bigger “prey instinct” and some have been bred as protecters, some as herders, some as lap dogs, etc.

So they definitely have a predominance of natural traits as per breed.

My dachshund loves people and luckily is not a biter. But these “little” hot dogs were bred down from Dobermans…I would not recommend reaching down to pet one unless its human companion confirmed whether it’s friendly because they are fiercely protective.

It makes me sad, tho, to see those fences with “Beware of Dog” signs on them…you can bet those dogs were trained to attack.

One thing about trained dogs, tho…if you ever run across a loose one. Most are trained with both hand signals and voice commands. A firm “sit!” “stay!” or “down!” coupled with a few common hand signals has proved successful for me more than once, even with dogs who didn’t know me. Also: don’t stare aggressive dogs in the eyes, very important.

Selecting Princess Caroline for Hillary’s seat will be a great thing…………………….. for the repubs ! Young people can’t remember Camalot and in hard times no one is HATED more than those who inherited vast wealth . If she gets that seat , Bozo the Clown could beat her in 2010 . Remember in the last Depression the idle rich were hated even more than the gangsters .

Well, the fathers are a tough nut to crack, but you gotta have a dream.

229 Murphy,

I actually live for bad poetry (I subscribe to the New Yorker for the bad poetry!) and hers doesn’t rise (sink?) to the level I look for. I did think she ruined her point about being the star until the baby’s born by repeating it, but it’s all too common for poets to repeat their endings, usually in triplicate.

And I still don’t want a man telling me a woman’s being “maudlin” about being a woman, or misusing the word “race-baiting” the way Obamabots misused “racist.”

Now you want BAD poetry, have you seen Obama’s????

Actually there are already some great “feminist” fairy tales out. I bought my daughter Babette Cole’s books (for example, “Princess Smarty Pants”) when she was young.

http://www.amazon.com/Princess-Smartypants-Babette-Cole/dp/0698115554

And then there’s “Mulan” instead of “Little Mermaid” where the damsel gives up her VOICE for the “prince charming.”

So you’re saying girls, boys, and men need to be taught. If that means women have to take on that job too…
because men are incaple of being self-taught, let alone interested…
screw ‘em is right.

Murphy: When I was in third grade,we did not have a school library but each room had a very nice large book case in back of each classroom with nicely stocked shelves. On a few days of the week, when we were finished out “work” (meaning teacher go finished before she ran out of clock time!) we could go get a book and read. There were on the bottom shelf of that book case 32 biographies with blue covers and the name of the person written about in red on the front…
I had decided I was going to read everyone of those blue books. I did. Only 1 was about a woman..Clara Barton..andof course after reading it…I was going to be a Nurse! Her story thrilled me..

My point? We need to have biographies of women written for children…We need to write them and have them published. We need to set up ways to have them in the schools and libraries.
And if anyone knows of any good biographies of women written for the ages I talk about 7,8,9,10 years old especially…very important ..who am I years…what am I gonna be years, please list them here and let us collect a bibliography of them and publish that….here or elsewhere.

Girls at these age levels now have nothing other than the bimbo vacuuos rich girl with nothing to do but party, be on TV and emote…This must be corrected…and we must start..with giving them something to read and see other than this mindless, sexist crap.

Some guys ‘em are just clueless and therefore teachable–you need a vision that’s win-win.

Maya Angelou of course, and she’s stayed loyal to Hillary–”dance with who brung you”.

If you want to read some marvelously twisted feminist fairy tales/poems
read Anne Sexton’s “Transformations.”

Also, Dorothy Parker’s known for her poems and brutal wit, but read her short stories…excellent.

I’m trying to think of a series I read when I was young. I think it was called Meg. Anyone remember that?

dances…the whupping is for not knowing franken was an asshole

nikki giovanni is MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR obot

I think that girls need to think about men AFTER graduate degrees and careers. And this is how they should think about them–have some fun, move on…

just my thoughts…until men become better (ya know what I mean)

I volunteered to be the poet for the inaguration, but they haven’t gotten back to me yet…

here is one of my poems:

There was a bad man named barry
who found an evil woman and married
his wife was a meanie
he was a weanie
and they lived in Chicago.

He changed his name to Hussein
He practiced saying the inane
one day he was nothing, the next day allegedly something
and then he decided to be president.

He ran a stinking campaign
he caused the world some great pain
he lied, he cheated, and boy did he steal
they say he knows the art of the deal
I just think he is a thug.

He claim to have won the election
I think it was more of a selection
I can’t decide what to do
he ain’t nothing new
so I just think you are all da fool.

Can you believe that they turned me down? And I have so much more to say I could stand between Jay Z and Beyonce…Oprah could be there too….

A girl can dream ya know…

Wow, at second glance, this truly is a great school project – classes of children who’ve been collecting women’s stories (maybe for a decade?).

Their resource list is wonderful too. I’m definitely showing my 12-year-old niece this site.
http://www.pocanticohills.org/womenenc/women.html

Look what I found! Also, didn’t someone post that Chris Porter was an alternate elector from WA? Well, his name isn’t here. Also, look at the last paragraph where it states the Supreme will decide whether they will hear yet another challenge against Obama regarding his BC.

http://www.secstate.wa.gov/office/osos_news.aspx?i=K959Nk28xTCRGMHE3hoEdg%3D%3D

Hey, Murphy, I do believe Sylvia Plath caused her own death by placing her head in an oven which was on…Her readings and her path in life was very sad………

Jenn:

I hereby nominate you for PUMA poet laureate. And I cannot understand why you haven’t heard back from the peeps in charge of the inauguration.

The blue covers were from the 40′s I think. There was Cherry Ames the nurse, and I just picked up a Judy Bolton mystery from that era. Nancy Drew was great because who drove a car, and also had a boyfriend that would show up long enough admire her in a pathetically adoring manner, take her to some formal event so she could dress up (and have an excuse to buy a “frock” whereupon she would discover a new clue), then conveniently disappear so she could roar around the countryside in her “roadster” with her female “chums”.

IF were are going to talk about movies..I just loved the BIONIC WOMAN……oh, YA!!! One ass kicking Jamie Sommers….

catsmeow….thanks for the fantastic resource list!

#269
LOL!
Gotta love that Murphy.

who can name all of the Walton children?

i give 1.5 minutes to answer. no web cheating……

My privilege to share it, Zee and NOP! Now I’m forwarding it to my daughter (in her 20s) and getting her to forward it to every young woman she knows – especially those with children for sharing the stories.

Zee #277…Why Bummed????? It is the Responsible thing to do..I always put my dogs away when I am having repairs done at my home…WHY??? Because even though I love them and have cared for them for many years Well, you never Know….Crap..Look at people who could turn on you in a second…Just last year the most wonderful gal in my neighborhood who I knew and helped out and everyone thought they knew her too… Well, October last year around midnight she shot herself in the head…We were all Shocked!!! So, you see, we cannot always control the things around our lives….which means people and our animals…So, it is wise to be safe and use good judgement before the fact and not after the fact…We all do miss our lovely neighbor…

About Collies:

Someone posted earlier about the damage a collie can do and I want to respond. When our children were young we had an old poodle/husky mix who was a gentle as any dog I ever met. Both my kids were rowdy, so when I went looking for our next dog I researched. I bought a collie because I discovered this information: during World wWar I, the military was training attack dogs and they tried to train collies. What they discovered was that a collie would not attack a human on command, but they would attack if their handler was attacked. They finally gave up and started using them as messenger dogs. (like PAL who became the original Lassie). I found one story of a shepherd in Scotland who was injured: his collie picked up his hat, drove the sheep back to town and into their pen, took the hat to someone, and then led people back to the injured master. I have had two collies in my life and neither ever harmed anyone, although they growled when they felt a family member was in danger. Both of my German Shepherds and both of my Australian Shepherds were/are fierce watchdogs and need to be “watched.” Has anyone ever heard of an attack collie? I’d be curious to know.

john-boy, mary-ellen…. ummm maw, paw, gran’paw, gran’maw…

285Dances: More…one single example of a female knowing more than a male but not allowed to participate because of the power structure of the patriarchy…That was also the same time I would turn around in Church and see three rows of black people in the back of the Church attending Mass…another “just the way it is” was answer situation and another patriarchy that ruled and rules today.

If we teach our girls to be who they are before themselves and God and if we give them people to emulate..through our own actions of independance and women before them, then they will be able to stand strong and confront anything.

But hey..I hate to say this…things are not good in that area…of the young..when to be blunt ..12 and 13 year old girls are giving “blow” jobs on demand out in public and do not know the hell why or why not, things have indeed back peddled not moved forward…Think the New Agenda will work on that one! Somebody needs to..or this younger crew will simply feed and be fed more by the mindless images out there now.

Thanks, DWP, for uploading it. And now I’m remembering the Walton’s ritual: “Goodnight, Mary-Ellen…goodnight John-Boy…goodnight…” I haven’t thought of that in a LONG time.

Nijma #289!!!

omg, Eleanor of Aquitaine…for some reason that name plunged me back into a famous art exhibit celebrating women:

http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/exhibitions/dinner_party/

http://www.unheardtaunts.com/wir/
catsmeow

Mountainsong: Yes. that was in the news over the last year. I would not expect to see grownups doing that…in public and that is my point…

I will accept the position, but my paygrade as a poet stops at the BO level…

if murphy wins, maya will be perfect.

Dances, when the whupping time comes, I want you on my team and we can give obie the whupping he deserves…along with the whole kool aid drinking lot of them

zee
judy chicago’s dinenr party
saw it when it exhibited in SFO…
http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/exhibitions/dinner_party/

The new agenda is not a women’s organization per se, they are handmaidens to obie….

as such, they fucking suck (double entendre intended…please add as many exclamations points as you wish for necessary emphasis)!!!!!!!!!

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2008/12/santacorp-pleads-case-for-bailout.html
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WASHINGTON – Flanked by officials from the United Elf Toytinkerers union, SantaCorp CEO Kris Kringle today told the House Ways and Means Committee that without immediate government financial help, his firm would be forced to declare bankruptcy, lay off thousands of elves and reindeer, and potentially cancel its annual worldwide Christmas Eve toy delivery.

“These are grim economic times for everyone, but even more so for non-profit toy manufacturers in the Snow Belt,” said Kringle. “Our accountants have indicated that we are on track to exhaust our reserves of cash and magical pixie fairydust by December 23. Oh deary me.”

Kringle and UET union president Binky McGiggles presented a draft emergency bailout plan to the committee calling for US $18 trillion in federal grants, loan guarantees, and sugarplum gumdrops that they said would keep the company solvent through December 26.

“We believe this proposal shows that management and labor can work together to craft a reasonable, financially responsible short-term survival plan,” said McGiggles. “After the new Congress is seated in January, we would be happy to return to present a long-term package to get us through April.”

Kringle warned that failure to approve the plan would have dire global economic consequences.

“Oh goodness,” said an emotional Kringle, fumbling with his glasses, “think of all the children who will wake up sad and angry and confused on Christmas morning, with nothing in their stockings. Let’s just say I wouldn’t want to be their parents. Or a someone answering your switchboards on December 26.”

SantaCorp, which lost over $2 trillion in FY 2007, has seen a steady erosion in market share and profitability over the last five years. Industry analysts say that its precarious position is due to a number of factors.

“You might say it’s a perfect snowstorm,” said Merrill Lynch analyst Jennifer Rothstein. “The youth consumer market is demanding more for less, at a time when the government and courts have forced SantaCorp to lower its ‘good list’ credit rating standards. They face increased non-union competition from the East Pole, and huge increases in fuel prices for magical reindeer flying hay. It’s a hard sell for the investment community.”

Veteran market watcher Charles Kessler of ToyWeek said SantaCorp’s labor cost structure was a significant factor in its recent struggles.

“After the 1982 strike SantaCorp offered the UET a generous pension plan promising free lifetime candy canes and unicorns,” explained Kessler. “It seemed like a good idea at the time, but the company accountants forgot to factor in elf immortality.”

Despite the dire picture painted by Kringle and union officials, they encountered skeptical questioning from some committee members. Several members slammed the SantaCorp officials for flying to the hearing on a private luxury sleigh, while others openly questioned the company’s business model.

“Almost every business in my district has had to adjust to the new economic climate, but SantaCorp seems to believe it can continue with the same old profligate giveaway business-as-usual,” said Paul Ryan (R-Wisconsin). “I’m sorry for your situation, but it is difficult to justify giving trillions of US taxpayer dollars to a private company that is outmoded, headquartered offshore, and, frankly, imaginary.”

Kringle defended the company’s business practices and his reported 4 billion cookie annual salary, saying that the company was “doing the best we can under trying circumstances.” He also blamed the company’s struggles in part on federal environmental and safety regulations.

“Frankly the amount of paperwork you require is astronomical,” said Kringle. “OSHA inspections and reporting requirements have doubled our factory production cycle, and every time I tramp a little fireplace soot into a living room I have to fill out three separate EPA environmental impact reports.”

Kringle also urged the committee to enact industry tort protections, saying that the company remained saddled with crushing legal and insurance bills following the landmark 1974 class action liability case Nader v. Jarts, Clackers, SantaCorp, et al.

UET President McGiggles warned that failure to pass a bailout package would have dire social consequences.

“All of you have seen the bleak pictures of how plant layoffs have already effected ToyTown — the boarded-up gingerbread houses covered in frosting grafitti, the abandoned sleighs up on blocks, the widespread crime and sucrose abuse, the antler-wielding gangs of unemployed reindeer yearlings,” said McGiggles. “That is only a hint of what is to come if the plant shuts down. If you think an industry bailout is expensive, well, just consider the cost of a full-scale violent rioting by millions of desperate unemployed elves, with warehouses full of surplus BB guns.”

House Ways and Means committee chairman Charles Rangel (D-New York) motioned to end the hearings, saying that with only 7 bailout shopping days before Christmas the committee needed to move on to other industries facing emergency financial crises.

“The American economy and Christmas itself stand on the edge of disaster, It’s time for my colleagues show we are good boys and girls,” said Rangel, who is reported to have received over $6 million in campaign contributions from SantaCorp and the UET over the last two years.

A full House vote on the SantaCorp is scheduled Friday morning, where it is expected to pass by a comfortable margin. President Bush has pledged to sign any and all bailout request from Congress until the end of his term, “no queshnions ast.”

“I want to insurer the American People and the evil doers that I and the Crongress and the Hankster [Treasury Sec. Paulsen] and Big Ben [possibly Fed Chair Bernanke] and [unintelligible] and me are unineted together to approve the financial aid and regulations and federal takeovers to get our American free ennerpise system back on track,” said the President, speaking from inside his new shoe-proof plexiglas enclosure.

In concluding the hearings, Rangel gave the SantaCorp officials a personal vote of confidence.

“We believe in you, Santa,” said Rangel, handing Kringle what appeared to be a list. “As long as you continue to believe in us.”

ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE: One of the “plates” made by Judy Chicago for The Dinner Party…a magnificent production of plates with each representing important famous women inhistory..installed on tables in a triangle…as if all were there for a Dinner Party
I had the pleasure of seeing that in person when it was installed and on display at the Unif of Missouri, Columbia when the the exhibit traveled the country. One of my friends there was responsible with others for bringing it there.
If one is in Brooklyn at its permament site, one should not miss it…Beautiful ceramic work…

DANCES…:) my friend…

Karen, great post about LYING CHEATING DEMOFRAUDS….

must go, mother is calling

Zee 12.19.08 at 9:20 pm
#294 NOP
“Think the New Agenda will work on that one”
I do think the gratuitous attacks on burgeoning grassroots women’s groups won’t work for any of us. We’re not all the same, nor should we be.
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Come on now… don’t you think tna, being the professionals they tout themselves to be, should set an example for the unwashed members of puma pac…the unprofessional ragtag rooty kazooty organization?

303Zee: I will question The New Agenda’s agenda or anything else I care to…here or anywhere else. Whoever does not agree with it, can do so.

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Nijma 12.19.08 at 9:06 pm
Eleanor of Aquitaine who started courtly love:
http://robertfripp.ca/index.cfm?Fuseaction=ArticleDisplay&ArticleID=517&SectionID=152
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Thanks for the link. Love Eleanor.

Oh, crap, Dances…I think I meant NOP…anyway…I’m not sure what link you’re looking for??

Girls need to ignore the boys…
BOYS WILL BE BOYS
When I was young,
I looked at the boys
And they me.
All liking what we saw.
Now I peer out
From ancient eyes
At all the old men
As they pass by
Hoping to find
Some faded friends
In gray disguise
But, they do not
Look at me.

Women comic book heroes? Like SuperWoman? …and what was that one that was on tv… gosh can’t think of it now… I can see the lady who acted the part but can’t think of it….

I’m loving the Hannity & Colmes show tonight-BASHING oblama as usual.
Calling him Barry Soetoro! WOOHOO!

NY Daily: McCain refuses to endorse Palin for president in 2012: ‘I can’t’

[ The media is trying to spin this as negative to Palin, but here are soem of McCain's actual words. - tdo ]

“Have no doubt of my admiration and respect for her and my view of her viability”

[Re 2012:] “I can’t say [about] something like [2012]. We’ve got some great other young governors. I think you’re going to see the governors assume a greater leadership role in our Republican Party,” he said.
He then mentioned governors Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and Jon Huntsman of Utah.
McCain said he has “the greatest appreciation for Gov. Palin and her family, and it was a great joy to know them.”
“She invigorated our campaign” against Barack Obama for the
presidency, he said. [....]
“Have no doubt of my admiration and respect for her and my view of her viability, but at this stage, again … my corpse is still warm, you know?” he replied.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/12/15/2008-12-15_mccain_refuses_to_endorse_palin_for_pres.html
Comment box is about half way down this page, between the story and the comments. My name was already on the box as we have had many alerts here. Comment went right up.

Ooops, thread upstairs.