Does estrogen poisoning make us more ethical and less violent?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT/

on now

Posted for Betty Jean. Carville has disappointed me. He is old news. The TNA is boring. More of the same. Are there any fresh voices besides PUMA ?

Hello… been lurking cause when I talk here…seems that I get a subject going that causes disruption with some. Don’t like that very much

Finally signed the petition and added this comment to it…

Pres. Elect, why are you silent on this, had it been Michelle’s image that Favreau was groping all hell would have broken out. I’d suggest you invite Jon to dinner, I’d love to see what photos he’d pose for with Michelle. On second thought, I wouldn’t. He’s just one of the many sexist people in your camp. Fire the horndog, before his fantasies turn to reality and you end up with a sex predator on your team.

Funny. I thought O said he hadn’t had contact with the governor, or something like that… Silly me. I thought if you’re shaking someone’s HAND that means… uh… contact?

http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/nation/ill-governor-arrested-in-corruption-scandal-284742.html

Please NOTE THE DATE: December 2, 2008… THAT’S 7 DAYS BEFORE HE SAID HE HADN’T TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR. What am I missing here?

Made a comment on BJ’s site . Probably wont make any friends because of it though …

My vote: He lies like crazy, but he has enough “backing” to cover him that he can get away with it. The question is, how do we go around the backing and get the info out anyway?

In fact, I’ve seen THAT pic several times in relation to this story, just never the date it was taken. I would think this would give pretty definitive proof that O needs to come out and qualify his statement again…

#18 TXRepGirl
Yeah, I didn’t know when it was taken either. Did see a link today where the two of them met in Philly earlier this month where they discussed “IL budget”. Had no idea there was a photo of them together taken at that time.

wonder if this is true??

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Blagojevich_questions_censored_on_Transition_site.html?showall

Fun fact of the night: Blagojevich’s wife, Patricia Blagojevich, is the Realtor who got the Obama’s their house in which Rezco did the land deal.

DancesWithPumas 12.10.08 at 8:54 pm

Hey

invalid

Posted this on Nothing New Agenda for Enablers of Horndogs like Jon the Comeon.

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You must be kidding about not firing that horndog. He’s a sexual assault waiting to happen.

I sent this to V. Jarrett earlier, all those in favour of keeping gropeboy employed please raise your hands, not too high though, never know who is behind you with a cupped hand looking for some “innocent” fun. Freaking enablers!

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Ms. Jarrett,

I’m sure you’ve received many emails asking the question in the subject line above. I am concerned about this man being placed in any position where he is seen as a person of importance in government. Why am I concerned? It’s simple. I was sexually assaulted and brutally beaten as a child, the three guys that did this too me also liked to use photos etc to make innuendos and
vulgar gestures. I believe some men start small and move on from there. Can you be sure Jon doesn’t extend his perversions beyond a cardboard copy of Sen. Clinton. I can’t be sure of this. Therefore, I’m questioning why he was not fired. And why any grown man would stupidly place the photo on facebook and not have his character and idiocy level scrutinized. No matter how you boil it down, Jon Favreau leaves considerable doubt of his ability to use proper judgment and I want to see him fired for his sexism, his devaluation of women and his public ridicule of an elected official.

gyspy #24. yes. That’s true. Some of the scrubbed questions…

Given the current corruption charges involving Blagojevich, will ’serious’ campaign finance reform that takes money completely out of politics through publicly funded elections be a priority in the first term?
In light of the recent corruption scandals (Blagojevich, Rangel, Jefferson, Stevens, etc) that have dominated the political scene,is there any ethics legislation being crafted to actually curb corruption and prevent another wave of nixonian cynicism?
Is Barack Obama aware of any communications in the last six weeks between Rod Blagojevich or anyone representing Rod Blagojevich and any of Obama’s top aides?

Trish,

Very powerful post…….your words are beautiful and strong. I am proud that you are puma.

Is anybody watching Hannity tonight? I just came home and turned it on…. caught it in the middle of a photo. If I understood right it was a photo of O and the IL gov shaking hands on Dec 2? Hmmm.. then that was at least TWO times they were together since the election- Nov 5 and Dec 2? How can O possibly say that he had “no contact” with this guy? Ok, I should have figured it out long ago- a lie to O is as natural as breathing…

KarenWI. I posted a link to that very pic a little while ago. See post #12

Tell me how and I will!

The Nothing New Agenda © dwp LOL

Posted!!!!!!!!RE: Freemenow… Great Radio Show!!! DWP..Wonderful Post above..You are a true talent and an incredible WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOW………

Texas,

Just completed your prowl to the media, thank you!

Dances … I sent you an e-mail. I read through the prowl topics (I can not open them) … Is the topic I chose re
redundant? There are BC topics and other topics that are similar to this issue? If this topic already exist (or similar) should I find some other issue?

Hey, Murphy just a thought….A while ago DR.Phil ( I know I don’t watch him anymore) was asked a question regarding Men Vs Women..And, his response was ” Women and Men are wired differently”…I don’t know?? But, it appears to be something to think about??? I just cannot believe WE AMERICANS question other Country’s regarding the way they treat their women and Yet, look at America????????? What a joke!!!

OOPs!!!!!!!!Sorry for the typos…On my laptop again….

((((Southern))))We were stuck with another situation today , but I think it is going to work out for us . I’ll know tomorrow afternoon . You are the BEST . I am begining to think you really ARE Ghandi !!!!

Hi Puma’s checking in…

Goofsdad is stuck on a plane on the tarmac at Houston… sigh… seems it’s snowing there and they don’t have that to often and are having difficulty de-icing the planes… he is one of 30 planes sitting there…

Good news is they are showing movies for free… bad news he was supposed to be at LAX at 8:00PM… and it’s 7:15 PST now… good thing he was taking a shuttle home…

TexasTigress 12.10.08 at 9:50 pm

Which part are you asking about? Patricia Blagovich’s real estate deals or her being the realtor?

SouthernGal68

I got your mails… I like the topic of the proposed prowl… good job…

murphy 12.10.08 at 10:14 pm I haven’t found the exact transaction, but it has to do with the Appraiser’s law suit. I have the link to that “somewhere”. Maybe you can find it.

Goofsmom,

Good, thank you! I have it written up – I just want to read through it one quick time (when I am fresh) before I send it to the action center. I stayed up waaaaay too late, last night.

Good night …

A 10′ strip of land? Ten feet. I’ve been reading up on the Rezko thing and that’s what they sold the Obamas. Ten feet of land? What sense does that make?

Someone else with more brain cells please read this and explain it to me…

The complaint said the Rezko loan was approved by Mutual Bank President and CEO Amrish Mahajan and others so that Mrs. Rezko could buy a 9,090-square-foot vacant parcel of real estate. It said that in January 2006, Mrs. Rezko and Mr. Obama, along with his wife Michelle, signed an agreement to sell a 10-foot strip of the property to the Obamas. At that point, according to the complaint, Mr. Connor’s firm asked him to conduct the reappraisal.

This is at: http://wasteofmyoxygen.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/fck-rod-and-patricia-blagojevich/ Second story down

This really is my last post. LOL

TexasT. – That was sweet for you to say, but I have been there before (Glad to help, if I can!) “Another situation” … I hope everything is okay! Well, just let me know how everything works out ??? You know how to reach me, if you need the “other”.

Goodnight!

Sorry this is so long… but it is VERY interesting. So…. a hard decision for O whether he should take Fitzgerald out and replaced with a new pres? Hmmm…. might be interesting:

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Obama Faces ‘Trial by Fire’ Over Fitzgerald
Once he assumes office, President-elect Barack Obama will face a severe “trial by fire” over whether to fire U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald and other U.S. attorneys, following Democratic Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s arrest Tuesday for allegedly offering to sell Obama’s vacated Senate seat to the highest bidder.
Ordinarily, legal and political experts say, an incoming president has broad authority to change both the Cabinet and the U.S. attorneys who serve at his request. But with unanswered questions swirling over the degree of interaction Obama’s team has had with Blagojevich, and the alarming level of Illinois corruption exposed by the probe, any move to fire Fitzgerald would be highly controversial as a possible conflict of interest.

“There are enough connections between the worlds of Blagojevich and Obama that the whole thing has the potential to grow beyond a colorful Chicago tale of corruption to entangle members of the presidential transition team, to test Obama’s carefully cultivated reformist image, and to distract the president-elect just as he is preparing to take office,” Time.com reported Wednesday.

Many of the concerns revolve around a statement Obama made Tuesday afternoon, which ultimately raised more questions than it answered.

“I had no contact with the governor or his office, and so we were not — I was not aware of what was happening,” Obama said, leaving open the possibility that his staff did have contact with Blagojevich. “And as I said, it’s a sad day for Illinois. Beyond that, I don’t think it’s appropriate to comment.”

Obama’s statement evoked concern among the mainstream media that it was too tepid to quell the rising hubbub. “I think it was a very passive statement by Obama yesterday. I don’t think it was enough,” NBC political director Chuck Todd told MSNBC viewers on Wednesday morning.

Concerns over what Obama’s staff knew regarding the blatant solicitation of bribes, and when they knew it, only deepened Wednesday morning as Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod recanted a November statement that Obama did meet with Blagojevich that month.

Wednesday afternoon, apparently in response to media rumblings, Obama commented again, saying via a spokesman that Blagojevich should step down as Illinois governor. Obama has not been considered particularly close to Blagojevich, but did voice strong support for him during his 2006 reelection campaign.

Citing the equivocal statements coming out of the Obama camp, Heritage fellow and legal scholar Robert Alt tells Newsmax: “You already have the whiff of cover-up in the air” inside the Beltway.

“If these sorts of stories continue,” Alt says, “and it starts to look like he’s covering up contacts with Blagojevich, if he then sacks Fitzgerald, that would look very bad indeed.”

In his news conference, Fitzgerald went out of his way to avoid implicating the Obama team, stating “there’s no reference in the complaint to any conversation involving the president-elect or indicating that the president-elect was aware of it.”

Alt, the deputy director of the Center for Legal and Judicial studies at Heritage, says he sees no indication in the criminal complaint against Blagojevich of any improper involvement on the part of Obama’s representatives – but he adds Obama must now tread very carefully.

“It will be a baptism by fire,” Alt tells Newsmax. “Any time there is an investigation touching on the president or close presidential allies, the sensitivity of hiring and firing the prosecutors becomes a high concern. It’s been previously said there’s not much time for on-the-job training for the presidency. And on the issue of U.S. attorneys, he’ll have to make some tough calls right away.”

Republican leaders are already challenging Obama to pledge that after he becomes president on Jan. 20, he will keep Fitzgerald in office.

“What he should do tomorrow is say, ‘Patrick Fitzgerald has a job and can have it for as long as he wants,’” the state Republican chairman of Illinois, Andy McKenna, told reporters. “Some have wondered if Barack Obama would keep Fitzgerald. It would be great if he confirms that he plans to.”

That Fitzgerald suddenly sees Republicans lining up to defend him is profoundly ironic, given that both prominent Republicans and Democrats have found themselves in his investigatory crosshairs over the years.

A former rugby player, Fitzgerald once told a reporter he’d left plenty of blood on the field because “that was the whole point.” No one has ever doubted Fitzgerald, 47, plays for keeps.

Born into a working-class Brooklyn family, Fitzgerald’s father of worked as a doorman in Manhattan. The future scourge of corrupt politicians attended Amherst, and after earning a law degree from Harvard University practiced civil law before becoming an assistant U.S. attorney in New York in 1988. There, Fitzgerald made his reputation prosecuting terrorists like Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind Egyptian cleric who sought to bomb city landmarks. He also tried four men accused of bombing the East African embassy.

As Fitzgerald was demonstrating his prosecutorial chops, a maverick Illinois senator named Peter Fitzgerald – no relation – was looking for a U.S. attorney who would clean up the state’s infamously twisted politics. According to The Washington Post, Sen. Fitzgerald called former FBI Director Louis Freeh and asked, “Who’s the best assistant U.S. attorney you know of in the country?”

Freeh didn’t hesitate: “Patrick Fitzgerald in the Southern District of New York.”

The senator then called the head of the New York office, asked the same question, and got the same answer: Patrick Fitzgerald.

That was when the senator recruited his namesake to be U.S. attorney in Chicago, and the rest is history — bitter history for those Fitzgerald has caught trying to scam the public.

Fitzgerald’s delicious gift for offending the rich and powerful on both sides of America’s partisan divide was never more evident than in the Valerie Plame Wilson case. On the one hand, Republicans were troubled that Fitzgerald decided to prosecute I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the former top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, for perjury charges that had little or nothing to do with the concerns that originally triggered the investigation — namely, that a Bush administration official may have broken the law by leaking the identity of Plame, a CIA operations officer, to columnist Robert Novak. Libby was convicted, but President Bush commuted his sentence in July 2007.

During his investigation, Fitzgerald also was targeted by the left and The New York Times, which pounded away at Fitzgerald in its editorial pages, stating that “in his zeal to compel reporters to disclose their sources, Mr. Fitzgerald lost sight of the bigger picture.”

Among Fitzgerald’s other high-profile prosecutions: The 2006 conviction of GOP Illinois Gov. George Ryan, for steering state contracts in return for payoffs.

Having survived repeated prosecutorial run-ins with powerful people bent on breaking the law, now the question is whether Fitzgerald will survive the transition that brings the once-junior senator of Illinois to the White House. Ousting Fitzgerald could raise serious questions about the sincerity of Obama’s commitment to do away with old-school politics.

In September, the former senator who recruited Fitzgerald warned his protégé’s days might well be numbered once Obama moves into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

“My guess is if Senator Obama got elected, one of the first things that would happen is that they would remove Patrick Fitzgerald in Chicago,” the former senator told WIND’s John & Cisco In The Morning show. “And he’d have pressure to do so from all sorts of Daley administration people.”

Bill P. Marshall, a deputy counsel in Bill Clinton’s White House, tells Newsmax that it is rare for U.S. Attorneys to stay on after a shift in power.

Obama’s main task, Marshall says, is “returning some credibility to the Justice Department, but the point is if [Obama] keeps him on, that is the exception rather than the rule.”

Firing Fitzgerald could cause Obama more trouble than it’s worth. The nightmare scenario for Obama would be if the Blagojevich investigation evolves into a smoldering, enduring controversy along the lines of the Whitewater scandal, which dogged and distracted the presidency of former President Bill Clinton.

For now, that appears to most observers rather unlikely. But given the president-elect’s admission of what he described as “boneheaded” involvement in a real estate deal with top Blagojevich fund-raiser Tony Rezko, questions are likely to linger.

And then there is Illinois’ daunting reputation for political corruption.

Law professor James Lindgren, a Chicago-area law professor at Northwestern University, tells Newsmax: “There is enough corruption in Illinois so that all it takes is someone who is serious about finding it to uncover it. If a U.S. attorney is not finding corruption in Illinois, they’re not seriously looking for it.”

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_fitzgerald/2008/12/10/160529.html

How about Valerie Jarrett’s former real estate management position? This is one big pool of pollution

The Mahajans are the bankers in the land deal. Seems this his and hers thing goes a long way in Chicago…

“like the Rezkos, the Mahajans are a his and hers crime wave. From Sunday’s Chicago Tribune Web Edition:

(snip) larger story laid out for first time the extent of hinky real estate commissions taken by Patti Blagojevich (Illinois “first lady”) $700,000 between 2000-2006, with noted falloff after Rezko hit the clink.

AMRISH AND ANITA MAHAJAN

Commissions: $113,875

Properties: Four apartment buildings and commercial storefronts

Total sales: $5.71 million”

Much more here: http://johnbatchelorshow.com/jb/2008/10/what-is-rezko-talking-about/

#71 Terry Do

I agree.

The New Agenda is not censoring views, so if you have a view, express it there.

This “Nothing New” Agenda smacks of TROLLDOM and I hope dances and murphy are not attacking a legitimate and effective new women’s group over a disagreement!

Why would this histrionic person need 25 comments by a certain time? WTH is that?

Why would the histrionic person need its own website because it disagrees over the New Agenda’s stance?

Give me a freaking break.

How can it not be to our advantage to have several fronts?

It will only serve to show Obama and Favreau in the worst light if they can’t even agree to smaller measures.

And once they refuse to do that (as the PIGS surely will) then The New Agenda will have the high ground to demand further measures.

Let’s take a long view….we can do both, can’t we?

The more I read about this, the more I’m convinced Fitzgerald HAD to come out with the info NOW. He could not wait to get closer to Jan. 20th as apparently all US DA’s get fired that day?!! But I think he has the goods on many of these people. It was a matter of where to start. When Blago started the selling of the Senate seat, I’m thinking that was a pretty good place to start. But this is a TANGLED web:

Rod Blagojevich: Governor
Patti Blagojevich: First Lady, real estate developer

Tony Rezko: Worked bundling $$ for Blago AND on land deals with Patti (who it seems was probably selling him those run-down landlord apartment things, which makes that comment in one story about her new job working with the downandouts head-shakingly insane!)
Rita Rezko: Good friend of Rod & Patti who “purchased” the land that was then sold to the Obamas in such a way that made her purchase worthless (what was left of the land cannot be built upon)… and the question is: Why would she do that?

Barak Obama: State Senator (when some of this was going down) obvious pay-to-play intermingling of paying off some for the benefit of his close friends (which I think is why Blago got so ticked off when he refused to play now)
Michelle Obama: Hired onto two different boards and a huge increase in pay at a hospital AFTER her husband was elected to the State Senate.

These people give new meaning to the words power couple!

TXRepGirl 12.10.08 at 8:46 pm
I’m curious, Murphy, et al. Is there a secure way to set up a site that could post things that “go down the memory hole”? I know many sites are owned by Google and they simply scrub what they don’t want remembered. Would there be a way to set up a site not beholden to Google or to Yahoo like this? It seems this will be the only way to keep info about O from disappearing forever.
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You can take screen shots and you could download video clips. I’m willing to save on my secondary harddrive videos sent to the actioncenter, as I can create a section in the ActionCenter, Blagobama, and upload screenshot for reference.
But first I have to get the My favorite Pets section up (I was bad this weekend, didnt get to it).

ZEE – If you are going to FIGHT , you have to do just that – as I know you are well aware .
If your first major stance against a blatant display of sexist abuse as an organization is a slap on the wrist I think you lose a lot of credibility .
I also don’t think your perception of BJ is accurate and that site is not new and was not put up to just disagree with NA .
BJ is a strong , outspoken woman , as are you , and I have a lot of respect for the point she is making .

murphy 12.10.08 at 10:22 pm

thanks Gyps — now wouldnt that be a fine how de do??
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I’m looking – honestly. I did find several links that says Patty cake was Rezko’s partner and that her business deals are under investigation, but…………… I’m trying

You see should the web info about her – you were asking about women in prison?? She’s a perfect candidate so far……… or so it seems!!

Zee 12.10.08 at 10:40 pm
This “Nothing New” Agenda smacks of TROLLDOM and I hope dances and murphy are not attacking a legitimate and effective new women’s group over a disagreement!
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Zee, Of course you can characterize it, and me, anyway you choose too, but, I’ve listened to NNA radio programs, I’ve read two of their press releases, and it seems to me they are much like NOW,practically pandering instead of taking the STRONBG stand for women that they claimed they would.

I think you’re being unfair to Betty Jean, you;re entitled to that as well, she layed out her grievance in a civil manner. I see nothing wrong with it. And, her website has been around for quite some time now… and it wasnt created for trolling.

Deep timeline of the Blago mess. This didn’t just start happenin’ folks. It’s been in the works for at least four years.

http://redeye.chicagotribune.com/chi-investigation-timeline-1208,0,7424036.story

hey yall

Here’s another male-dominated criminal enterprise: (warning, child sex abuse trigger) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7776692.stm

And we haven’t even gotten into a discussion about serial killers. I love to eviscerate idiots who cite her as evidence that there are female serial killers. There aren’t any that we know of, for the record, not like the men. Men and women are so different that even their dysfunctional criminality expresses itself differently.

Wait a minute.. back up.. did someone say that Blagojevich’s wife is in big-business realty, and that she was Rezko’s PARTNER? A business partner? Is there any proof of that somewhere? Think something like that should be sent on to Hannity or Greta or Drudge or something? I mean.. this is CONNECTION big-time if it’s true. And, if a true business partner, why wasn’t she in on the federal indictment? Or was she? Something smells very interesting here…..

What scares me is that the Chicago politial machine, with all it’s filth, scum, and encrusted s**t is now on it’s way to Washington to teach Washington the “how to” of mafioso. Like Washington politics wasn’t bad enough without mafioso Chicago-style added to the mix!

murphy 12.10.08 at 11:07 pm
anna belle what about that woman who Charlize Theron played in Monster? she was a real live serial killer i think.
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That was Wournos

i pray u r right…

but u would think and i hope im right that people would finally say…”who the hell is this guy and who the hell are all these shady characters surrounding him?” i mean the list is humungous….wright…rezko…ayers..jackson…the governor…the kenyans…i could go on and on….o and who was the crazy catholic priest…i forget his name!!!!

WE ARE CARRYING CENTURIES OF COMPOUNDED TRAUMA! imo!
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I am in full agreement with your opinion.

ON FRENCH TELEVISION CHANNEL 2 they had a story about the Illinois sandal
entitled: “UN SCANDALE AUX ETATS UNIS QUI EMBARRASSE BARACK OBAMA”!
They showed Obama claiming that he had not talked to Blagojevich and then showed a total of three pictures of the two of them together. Perhaps the Europeans will begin to put two and two together.

TexasTigress:

Oh. Guess I left too soon!

Murphy, I’ll look at it now… but at first glance… this is the NEW YORK TIMES??? And THEY exposed this? Wow! If THEY said something…. it’s truly out in the open….

There’s aprowl… ask US media why French media is more aware of blago and oreobama than they are.

lets not stoop low ok?

DWP: Wournos first murder was justified. Afterward she murdered for opportunity, because she found she coul live with herself after the first one.

Unlike male serial killers, her experience was not the result of years and years of fantasizing about murder, but rather something she stumbled into. See my comment above for more details on the differences.

AnnaBelle,
My recollection is she was a prostitute, and murdered the men, her Johns, who assaulted her in unagreed upon ways… i.e. fucking her anally with a broken bottle, etc.

one can only hope that thye governor takes down everyone including that one when he goes down

So old BO is really setting a new record for early scandal involvement in a Presidency. I hate to say it but it looks to me like years from now people will just want to rid them selves of sleaze in the whitehouse the way they did at the end of Bill Clinton’s terms. Bill did a lot of good things but they were overwhelmed by the impression of sleaze.

She was a prostitute, indeed, DWP. And she did murder her first victim after he brutally raped and tortured her. After that, though, she generally killed john’s for money and for their cars. She didn’t torture them or detain them–she just killed them and moved on. She later claimed that they ALL raped her, but that is an unlikely scenario that is unsupported by the facts. It is possible some of them did, but all? At any rate, we’ll never know it all, since her victims are dead, there where no real witnesses, and she’s gone now too.

ooooo its not cute to be called a modern day lady macbeth!!!! o my the hurly burly!!!!!!

I can’t believe that crap about Blagojevich. I told my husband this morning: “Right out of the gate!” Hehe. Corrupt assholes. I hope they’re all indicted by the end of this. In my (admittedly tipsy) opinion, I think it would be the height of irony and humor if the Republicans did to Democrats what Democrats should have been doing to Republicans all these years, namely: enforce the law. What a world, what a world, eh?

She later claimed that they ALL raped her, but that is an unlikely scenario that is unsupported by the facts. It is possible some of them did, but all? At any rate, we’ll never know it all, since her victims are dead, there where no real witnesses, and she’s gone now too.
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Okay, but if there weren’t any other witnesses…
what facts did authorities rely on?

im doing grey goose and grapefruit juice…vodka boy here

Murphy 89: There is one thing good about the New Agenda making one demand, having it refused, making a lesser demand having it refused etc. And that is they are making clear to themselves and everyone that the Dems and BOites do not care about women. I think many people were not believing what was obvious about the misogyny in the Dem party and this makes it perfectly clear. They don’t car about sexism, they think it is a joke, they don’t care how women feel and they don’t care about equal opportunity for women or crimes against women.

hey goof!

Seattlegirl 12.10.08 at 11:35 pm
Murphy 89: There is one thing good about the New Agenda making one demand, having it refused, making a lesser demand having it refused etc. And that is they are making clear to themselves and everyone that the Dems and BOites do not care about women.
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No offense meant personally toward you, but, didn’t teh New Agenda rev up due to the fact Oreobama’s sexism and misogyny? Do they serious beieve thay have to establish that fact by backing down from their position?

Anna Belle,

Aileen Wuornos was a friend of mine, and she was murdered by the state after being victimized since the day she was born.

Victimized as a child, she ran away from home. Forced into prostitution, she was raped and brutalized IN ADDITION to being sexually violated to survive. Finally, she snapped. Just like military people after war, post trauma stress can cause many bad side affects. For Aileen, the sexual violence–which was the only sex she had ever known–became in and of itself (which it WAS) an attack on her body. She was a street walker, and as such had little protection even as far as prostitutes go, and her johns were horrible brutes. EACH and every one of them deserved to die.

I wrote all the big name attorneys–you know who they are– both male and female. And no one took up her cause. She was a poor woman, like a bunny caught in a trap, and when the state murdered her it was a sad day. a sad day indeed.

nevermind murphy:)

but i do have a question for you…i have been out of the country as u know…what is ur view of clinton as sec of state?

I am writing a book, and one of the chapters is on her. I failed her, and I am sobbing now. She was a child victim, a victim that never grew up, a victim that never had anyone do a nice thing for her, and then she was murdered by the justic system.

god damn them. everyone.

((((Jenni)))))

and one day whomever made the decision to name that movie MONSTER will have karma visit them. and she will be a brutal beast that day.

I love this woman’s chutzpah http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/10/video-unhappy-shanghai-lady-tows-the-tow-truck/

jenniforhillary 12.10.08 at 11:39 pm
I’m sorry to hear about that. Unless someone’s been there, it’s not easy to understand.

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TXRepGirl 12.10.08 at 11:39 pm

“April 26, 2008: A Tribune investigation reveals at least three of every four $25,000 donors to Blagojevich got something from the administration–including jobs, contracts or favorable regulatory rulings.

June 4, 2008: After nearly three months of testimony that lays bare some of the innermost workings of the Blagojevich administration, Rezko is convicted of using his political ties to the governor to orchestrate a multimillion-dollar kickback scheme.”

http://redeye.chicagotribune.com/chi-investigation-timeline-1208,0,7424036.story

Can someone tell me off the top of their head WHEN the Obama house was purchased? Year?
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ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE TXRepGirl

From World net daily
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=79390
That much is known. What’s not known is whether any Auchi funds aided Obama’s 2005 purchase of a $1.65 million mock-Georgian mansion in the leafy Kenwood district of Chicago. On the same day, Rezko purchased an adjacent lot from the same seller.

(((((((Jennifer)))))))))) hang in there girl! I think most of us have had someone in our life who we felt we failed… I did too. In fact, I can think of two who are now deceased who I failed and one of the two which might not be dead today had I not failed her. I wish I were there with you right now to give you a big hug… I know it hurts. I KNOW… and now the wounds are just reopened and the it’s bleeding again. I understand. Know what? I think she sees you and understands too. Someday you’ll see her again and then you’ll know she’s ok and that she’s in a better place now where nobody can hurt her again.

Oh, and if MY OPINION counts for jack shit, the NEW AGENDA should slit their wrists because the slow and painful death they are crying out for is just too fucking painful.

Please won’t you please apologize and work with women whom you have/will/would like to violate….

FUCK THAT. FUCK THAT. FUCK THAT. FUCK THAT. FUCK THAT.

How about this shit, fire those fucking assholes and put women in their positions. Dances, Betty Jean, Murphy….

When you beg for nothing you get nothing. We need to start fucking demanding. and more than fucking apologies. Apologies, cries of racism…..FOAD a million times.

The one who might not be dead today …. it was in high school. She didn’t have any friends. Well, I didn’t either. However, she was ill kept, huge, and… well.. she reached out to me and I shunned her. We were kids…. and then they found she’d committed suicide. I never forgot it. Nor did I ever forget that she had reached out for a friend and I’d turned my back on her. I will never forget it… so yes, I understand…

Dances…

excellent question. because the state loves to kill women. esp. women who kill men.

Aileen was not even a serial killer (plans, sexual component, etc., etc.), Aileen was a walking victim living a Post trauma stress nightmare. Each time a man attemped to sexually violate her, boom.

She should be alive in a mental hospital. I would let her come and live with me. She deserved a medal. perhaps she is sitting at the right hand of god wearing one right now.

I’ll day this and exit (and not be sorry that it’s “too personal” or even somewhat irrational:

I hear you Anna Belle… but not necessarily sure I completely agree.

We say it from a cinematic “rationale” depiction of what happened to her and how it played out, and not a psychological assessment of a life-altering event.

There is no way to determine how any two abuse victims respond.

I spent 46 years clueless – CLUELESS! So detached from the memories – I still cannot believe how I did that?

I understand it “clinically”. But I do not understand how I could “remember” yet be completely disconnected from my own experience of it all as “real”.

Aileen Wouros:

I went to that movie alone. I had been in Sexual Abuse (INCEST) recovery for two years and STILL could not talk about my own experiences.

I cried for days and days when I saw that film – It broke soul wide open.

WHY? Because inside everyone of us is the rage, the horror, the desperation of an “Aileen Wouros” to get this fucking madness of MEN RAPING, RAVAGING, DISREGARDING the totality of HUMAN BEINGS CALLED “WOMEN”.

I do not believe that I could actually kill another human being out of such revenge – but I have damned sure wished that every man that has ever walked on the face of this earth that has abused or failed to without utter a word against it, would suffer an ounce of the physical, emotional and psychological pain that ANY KIND OF VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN AND WOMEN CAUSES!

IT IS LIFE ALTERING! – and Aileen Wouros’ tragic life was one more lost opportunity for EVERYONE to take a damned good hard look at the brutality and life-altering effects of “RAPE” – in all of its varying degrees.

I am not condoning her madness – but I wouldn’t put HER MADNESS one gnats hair below a John Edward’s SICKO ROLE PLAYING OF MR. PERFECT IN FRONT OF ALL OF AMERICA anymore than Blagojevich’ FUCK EM’ ALL, I AM KING OF CORRUPTION IN ILLINOIS!

All I was trying to say was that she did not deserve to be classified with the likes of Ted Bundy, because she doesn’t fit the criteria. I’m tired of people using her to say there are female serial killers. There just aren’t. It does not happen.

jenniforhillary 12.10.08 at 11:50 pm
Oh, and if MY OPINION counts for jack shit, the NEW AGENDA should slit their wrists because the slow and painful death they are crying out for is just too fucking painful.
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The Nothing New Agenda wants favreau to visit a domestic violence center so that he can have his consciousness raised. (It doesnt seem to matter to them that perhaps it isnt the bets thing for the women to be exposed to a perpetrator… theyre only only women, afterall.)

When I read that I thought, jesus, maybe the Nothing New Agenda needs to visit a domestic violence center to have their own consciousnesses raised, and perhaps be slightly motivated to fight for women instead of saving pricks.

Anna Belle 12.10.08 at 11:54 pm
All I was trying to say was that she did not deserve to be classified with the likes of Ted Bundy, because she doesn’t fit the criteria. I’m tired of people using her to say there are female serial killers. There just aren’t. It does not happen.
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Oh, I see. Yep. I agree with you.
And I do question the case and sentencing.

DancesWithPumas:

No shit Dances – a domestic violence center is not a playground for someone else’s SMUG STUPIDITY!

Here’s that same strange wording

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_9sOMpy91Js&refer=us

NO ONE KNOWS – I had dreams for years of someone reaching out for me and I would wake up screaming. One of my most memorable dreams that I had was about 10 years ago:

It was dark and I was in a room at my Aunt’s home. I was laying on the couch with a young girl – but I felt the young girl was ME. Suddenly the room was on fire all around me and I could see the dark shadow of a man watching me. I knew I had to SAVE the child. I got the child safely out of the fire, and the adult took over! Deep isn’t it. I had it analyzed too!! I saved the child that once was me.

Now……….back to my research!!

Well , what EXACTLY is the deterrent in this country (ran mostly by men ) or motivation for men NOT to committ crimes against women and children ? Probation ? Maybe a little jail time and then be placed on a registry ?
Bobby Jindel in La. wanted to do away with the Sexual Predator Regisrty – why ? Because he wanted everyone who raped a woman or a child to spend the rest of thier lives in Angola ! They would all be registered at the same address – prison for life .
BUT our US Supreme Court knocked down the Louisiana law saying it was an unfair sentance !!!! Cruel and unusual !!!
What about the VICTIMS ??
Maybe we should ask the New Agenda to have the Supreme Court Apologize and spend a day at a shelter .

Oh, Sorry Anna Belle – guess I went nuts! typos and all.

I hated that story. I hated everything it represented.

Jenn, I’ll say this… I want you on my side. I don’t want you against me! You are one tough fighter for justice and the right, and you go-get-’em-girl!

murphy well said! i agree 100% and i for one hope that she has the power to push through a “Sane” international agenda and not the nonsense That One was speaking of during the campaign! with her and biden in there hopefully that one wont drive our country off a cliff!

im off to bed yall!!! see yall tomorrow night!

adios!

Karen,

we are in a war, but many women don’t realize it. And if you belief in things like truth and justice hell yes we are in a war. Someone once told me to pick my fights, but how can you pick your fights if you believe in good over evil….

Hi everyone,
Been busy catching up on posts, and then did my own PROWL.
Sent this to about a jillion media outlets w/the heading “Chicago-Gate”:

Change we can believe in, alright. We PUMA’s have known all this for months but mainstream media continues to ignore us, at their peril…
Then, they wonder why no one thinks they’re relevant?

Will Obama fire Patrick Fitzgerald?
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_fitzgerald/2008/12/10/160529.html

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Not that it will do any good, but hey, obots don’t have the monopoly on HOPE and CHANGE…

Murphy,

well, I have my speech voice and my down time voice. when I want to talk nice, I can talk real nice. and when I can just talk–here I am.

and here I am

gypsy….i’m with you. what a team we would make, give us some machetes and some fire power and an army….

jenniforhillary 12.11.08 at 12:03 am
THE NEW AGENDA FUCKING SUCKS….they remind me of judges that sentence child rapist to probation (they will rape again),
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I don’t know if the android who abducted and raped me and another 3rd grader ever raped again. I’m actually glad he got probation, otherwise he wouldnt have been safe in prison instead of being dead 8 years later.

I don’t know how to do a screen shot! But I will if you tell me how.

TerryDo

That was very sweet…

edit #210
otherwise he WOULD have been safe in prison

Heya MK!!
Good to see you, as always!

I love Eleanor.

Eleanor and Mama are watching us.

P.S. from the cottage on “Miracles”:

I am NOT speaking of “religious Miracles”

I am speaking of the “suddenly” – the “inexplicable” happens – and I do mean the inexplicable universal perfect appearance of something you neither thought of or planned for.

I have no explanation for them – but when I have been committed to something with every fiber in my being, and reach that moment of total silence – because I have not the slightest clue of how to take the next step – or how it can possibly all work – a door, a person, a solution appears that I would have never imagined – and everyone is perplexed as to how in the heck it happened – it’s one of those things that all the great planning never thought of and all the hard work didn’t attempt to produce – it just came.

Anyone know what I mean?

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murphy 12.11.08 at 12:54 am

One in nine men will be arrested for a violent crime. Half of those violent crimes will be assault with a weapon, rape, or robbery.

Numbers dont lie.

The answer is Decimation.
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Do you mean decimation as in women should stop breeding or shall we just breed female children. LOL
We can go back to being goddess again.

gypsy
you know what I would normally want to say but say this instead: It’s in the action centerr, hold on, I’ll get it for you.

Dances

You have mail…

Oh Murphy: You were.

I missed the Florida thing, where is it posted?

How awful for you Murphy and how awful for the cat, I understand you still feeling bad. Maybe that is why you called your blog the Puma to give that cat a great remembrance and power.
Murphy on behalf of the cat, I forgive you!

gypsy rebel 12.11.08 at 1:16 am
DancesWithPumas 12.11.08 at 1:13 am I have a very clear “image” in my mind on what you wanted to say but didn’t!! Thank you – you always help me! By the way – I went to the Action Center and I got lost!!
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well, you’re a better perosn for at least having tried.

A little history. When men invented data processing…they ran it until they figured out other ways to make more money so suddenly women were put in charge of data processing. When men found out that they could wield more power in any position, they allow women to take charge. For the past twenty years women have been on the Human Resources hierarchy while men held all of the other positions.

Nancy Pelosi’s rise should have signaled that men had found another way to keep power over women…and we have seen it played out every single day this past year. We have to TAKE POWER on every level. And it appears the best way to do it is to get the men, who are the problems, in prison.

TerryDo 12.10.08 at 10:28 pm
What I do not understand Murphy, if you would like us to leave a comment regarding Gropergate, which is basically an attack against The New Agenda, why would we not go and post our dissent directly on http://thenewagenda.net/ ???

I posted my comments at TNA this afternoon.
Am I missing something.
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I’m not Murphy, but if we post against TNA at their own site, they can delete our posts. If we post at B’s supporting B, she can keep the posts ip as long as she wants to.

Terry do siad; I have many valid comments on that site supporting Betty Jean and it is too bad they were not also posted on The New Agenda.
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BEfore hitting ‘submit’, copy your post (by hitting Ctl-A then Ctl-Copy). Then you can paste it at the other site and submit it there too.

Maybe someone will copy large chunks of the thread at BJ’s and post the chunks at TNA; but then they would probably delete it.