Why is this picture not okay?

For KarenWI from previous thread…
I agree a lot of people have left the blog. But we don’t know all the reasons for their leaving. Some may have left because they have no sense of mission now that the election is over….others, yes, may have left because they felt offended. I don’t mind a lively or even heated debate on a subject and that is what happens here mostly. Personal attacks are another matter..and it does happen and it is offensive to me even though it may not be directed at me. I just overlook the “f” word…for some it is just part of their vocabulary…not mine…but I am not personally offended. Most of my posts fall into the “no response” category…and often I have lurked and not posted because of that. Often there are multiple conversations going on and it is hard to navigate through 300 posts. Whatever…the important thing is that PUMA still is active. Sometimes I feel we are like a team throwing darts at a battleship….but a part of me still feels we are having some effect in this world.

Dead on with the lawn jockey pic. I want to scream, “Can you hear me now?”

I said this over at the confluence on the replacement-women pictures:

They still won’t get it with any of these picture, because they’re all still women, and as we know from this year, you can do whatever you want to a woman and it will not register as immoral in a misogynist. What you want to do is replace those females with pictures of Obama himself, or Joe Biden, or the Rahminator. Homophobia they get; misogyny they do not.

I’m sure it wouldn’t take much to photo shop that breast-cupping arm down low, if you know what I mean…

Just putting that out there. I don’t have photoshop myself, or I’d do it.

What am I missing? I find all three photos equally offensive.

I have to agree, sue. While I understand the motivation behind Clinton’s reaction, I still don’t like it, and I think it’s (to borrow a phrase from the campaign) boneheaded. You can’t just slough this off like so much water on a duck’s back. It means something to stand up to it, call it for what it is, and suggest that it needs to stop. And maybe it would begin the process if John F. got his stupid ass fired as a result. I mean, come on.

OK, I’ve been lurking as I really try to saty out of ’spirited’ discussions. That doesn’t mean I am without opinion. My habit of being too opinonated and outspoken where by this god forseaken male dominated society where by ‘most men’ have often gotten me into trouble.

Anyway. It’s possible that HRC’s statement carries a different meaning. And we just don’t know. My immediate intepretation was essentially “Oh yeah, Fraveau, is this is how you’re interested being a speechwriter? Well OK, let’s see…And I have your resume right in front of me…which I will promptly put into the trash.” Just saying. We don’t know where she was coming from on her statement that was regurgiated by her spokesperson.

Obama is not the only one who was thought to “usurp” the presidency:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/urgent-historical-breakthrough-proof-chester-arthur-concealed-he-was-a-british-subject-at-birth/

I understand the reason for the DB picture, but I still find it revolting. Hopefully the obots will too.

At the end of the day we must ask ourselves is we did all we could to defend this nation from the enemies within.

Personally I don’t believe we did. We did not defend Hillary against the liberal media during the primaries when she and Bill were attacked, we failed to make an effort to unite all the PUMAS across the country and bring together all disgruntled Hillary supporters,

We failed to build a true coalition of 18 million voters. We failed to reach out and take our message beyond the confines of hundreds of internet sites built by Hillary supporters. We failed to share the information gathered in theses sites about Obama with mainstream America.

We failed because we were too content and comfortable with discussing the issues amongst ourselves and forgot that a few hundred or thousand do not decide elections. We forgot that there is strength in numbers and that united we could have changed the course of history.

Now we must face an uncertain future with a complete unknown in charge of this great nation of ours and a House and Senate under the control of democrats people like Nancy Pelossi and Reid that have demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that they have no respect whatsoever for anyone, and that they are willing to destroy their own if they stand in their way like they did to Hillary who they betrayed.

If they did this to Hillary and Bill that was the one if not the best President and brought so much prosperity to this nation imagine what they will do with unchecked and unlimited power.

Now is the time to lament and to reflect on what on earth went on and why Americans were so willing to elect this enigmatic person with no experience. And to regret we didn’t do more.

Personally that is why I left. I don’t know about the others.

cjv-you have a point. We also don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes.

I don’t know if there is an carry-over argument going on about Clinton’s response (there appears to be, judging by comments). For myself, I love Hillary Clinton and recognize in her a political talent that this country desperately needs. That does not mean that she is beyond reproach for me. I am critical of the actions of people I support all the time. It’s part and parcel of maintaining critical thinking skills. It is possible to hold the two points of view simultaneously.

Anna Belle

There was a small amount of carryover so I decided to get my 2 cents in. I hunch we will have no final clue as to the true interpretation of her statement. For all we know the media may have also designed a deliberate editing to exclude a part of her response.

Right now I have become ambivalent towards HRC. I guess it’s part of the numbing process that’s been going on these days. I am now keeping an eye on this Caroline Kennedy potential appointmnet in Hillary’s place as it’s taken legs and I wonder if the media is trying to force her into the New York Stater’s face.

Oh Trish, if you haven’t baked Obatic’s cookies yet, the winds are now coming my way….brrrrr.

DancesWithPumas 12.07.08 at 10:53 am
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I agree with you Dances,but why use a ’shoe-shine’ person..?
‘Shoe-shining’ is a legitimate occupation for some and is quite honorable. One is tipped/paid depending entirely on how well one performs one’s job. So to lump it in there and label it as “lowest common denominator of the person’s natural biological unchangeable characterists” is insulting to those who take their craft seriously.(even though I do understand the ‘bigger’ thought here)

Hey Dances
I was watching you talk about me.

MamaPuma 12.07.08 at 12:07 pm
Hey Dances
I was watching you talk about me.
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I was afraid you might be and that’s the reason I edited most of what I wanted to say.
Good morning, pretty Mama.

Sunshinelvr
As long as you understand the overriding concept, I don;t feel teh need to explain the shoeshine racial stereotype.

Zephyer #1

Hi Puma’s,

I am back. My computer crashed due to the API site and I have been lurking because my old computer would not let me post, however, some of us are still here and in fighting form. Now is the time we have to stay on top of this guy. My friends on the left are making excuses for him, friends on the right falling in love. It is a constant battle. Obama is still the guy who screwed Alice Palmer and “thugged” his way through the primaries. We can and will make a difference.

BTW, my old computer is working, thank god. It was fairly new when it crashed and money is tight.

Peace all.

Good morning Pumas.
Just dropped in to say I have not left. I still lurk every day, and do prowls etc. I was totally worn out, and have had some personal issues I need to deal with. I am also responsible for helping out financially not only for myself, but for some members of my family. I will be back when I can devote the time needed, with a clear head.
I do not believe we failed. We passed on more informative information, made more people aware of the truth. We gave people the empowerment to take control, some just chose not to. I know I gave all I could and more. I am here for the long run. Just because I am not posting, does not mean I am not keeping up.
Love to you all. BBL

Lets remember that we are in between administrations. Bush is done and Obi is just rambling. When he is forced to actually make a decision, we will have a little more focus. In the meantime, find a battered women’s shelter like Haven House. This is the worst season for women due to the holiday’s…the worst day of the year is Superbowl Sunday. If you ever lose sight of why we are here, that will give you some perspective. Women are battered and raped every blessed second in this country and no one care’s. Obie just does it with more style.

As a woman of Hillary’s vintage and having lived through a time when a woman couldn’t get a loan without her husband’s signature, I cut Hillary a lot of slack here. There are tons of people just waiting for her to fail as SOS. Had she reacted in a matter that could be portrayed as “overreaction,” imagine the “reaction” from the press and all the goons out there waiting for her to take a mis-step. In my youth, those of us who considered ourselves feminists were routinely ridiculed, and worse.

WTF moment’s, LOL
Hi Murphy

DWP

GWB was not my President.

BHO is not my President.

These men do not speak nor represent me.

At the end of the day we must ask ourselves is we did all we could to defend this nation from the enemies within.

Personally I don’t believe we did. We did not defend Hillary against the liberal media during the primaries when she and Bill were attacked, we failed to make an effort to unite all the PUMAS across the country and bring together all disgruntled Hillary supporters,

We failed to build a true coalition of 18 million voters. We failed to reach out and take our message beyond the confines of hundreds of internet sites built by Hillary supporters. We failed to share the information gathered in theses sites about Obama with mainstream America.

We failed because we were too content and comfortable with discussing the issues amongst ourselves and forgot that a few hundred or thousand do not decide elections. We forgot that there is strength in numbers and that united we could have changed the course of history.

Now we must face an uncertain future with a complete unknown in charge of this great nation of ours and a House and Senate under the control of democrats people like Nancy Pelossi and Reid that have demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that they have no respect whatsoever for anyone, and that they are willing to destroy their own if they stand in their way like they did to Hillary who they betrayed.

If they did this to Hillary and Bill that was the one if not the best President and brought so much prosperity to this nation imagine what they will do with unchecked and unlimited power.

Now is the time to lament and to reflect on what on earth went on and why Americans were so willing to elect this enigmatic person with no experience. And to regret we didn’t do more.

Personally that is why I left. I don’t know about the others.

I agree with most of this. I checked this site daily before the election for information and moral support. I still ckeck the site but there is not much information and to what prupose?

I think that the PUMA’s should change their name to something that works well as a national political action group or start a reform democratic party. There is important info regarding this election that needs to be put out there to a larger audience. Many of us who work don’t have time to engage in blogging banter and, honestly, there seem to be a core group of people who know and care about each other. Some of the blogging is very personal and sometimes seems clique ish.

“I think that the PUMA’s should change their name to something that works well as a national political action group or start a reform democratic party.”
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Why is a name change neccesary to accomplish these goals?

Trish from Canada

I agree, we just got together in June. We are fighting a battle that has had no real resistance since NOW, PP, and the rest of the feminist groups gave in to the “Roe” manipulation. We are not fighting a losing battle, but it will never be easy or quick.

I think that a name change could bring more clarity to the purpose and possibly attract and unite more groups. Many press accounts described PUMA as People United my Ass, not People United means action.
A name change could clear any misconceptions or baggage.
I want to add that I really respect what happened here and I would hate to see it disapate. sp? This contry is in serious trouble as we are losing our democracy. How to compete with pay to play political governance is the question.

Independent democratic Party
Reform Democratic Party
Democratic women of america
I don’t know but something that is serious and communicates a political group that would be a force to be dealt with

hillary2008

Yup! Been in corporate America my entire career having similar circumstances that were at times frightening. Going up the corporate ladder proving to ultimately end up with so so results as I refused to put up with ‘their’ shit. Fortunately, there are a few (real men) out there that support will you for who you are and what your skills can bring to a company, but it’s still a minority in that respect. Now comes along the age discrimination……Geesh. All I can is thank goodness I have other things in my life that brings great fun and satisfaction that I didn’t have to dwell on that crap as much anymore, or else go insane with it.
Yet, that doesn’t mean I will stand aside either. I made a promise to myslef a long time ago to continue with the fight on these types of issues and I feel that PUMAPAC is really the right place to be.
Hey lurkers! It’s just a time out (for many different reasons)! We will be here when you are all ready to return!

Annabelle #3
I’m sure it wouldn’t take much to photo shop that breast-cupping arm down low, if you know what I mean…
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Done. Forwarded to Murphy.

One thing a name change could do is move away from the campaign and into the future. Just the act of PUMA uniting with other groups could bring a new round of press attention and new respect. It would also signal that we are moving forward and are VERY serious abour real change.

First of all, I blame the conservative media for the mess we are in. During the campaign, we were going up to Republicans who had no idea of anything that was said during the primaries. They simply weren’t paying attention. However, all the conservative media was constantly blasting McCain. So many Republicans chose not to vote because McCain would “ruin the reputation of their party” as a moderate.

Democrats *were* paying attention during the primary, and there was a considerbly large defection than was seen in normal years. We PUMAs countered the Republicans that didn’t vote, and I still believe that we will have an usurper claiming to be President until his citizenship is clearly resolved.

carol #43:

You do not speak for me. “We” includes me, and I don’t identify with your statements. As far as your first point, defending Hillary and Bill against the “liberal media”:

-Oh yes we did defend Hillary and Bill against the liberal media. I personally responded to thousands of articles and websites as a Hillary Rapid Responder and Puma Responder. I wrote letters to the editor; I started a blog calling OUT the media; I constantly called and emailed and complained. I blogged day and night defending Hillary and Bill against the biased media. Oh, and people physically protested against the media, in NYC, and in Denver, and in LA, and in states all around the country. On top of that, nearly everyone boycotted/ turned off certain programs and stations, like MSNBC. And people took out ads, and started pacs, and started women’s groups to defend Hillary against bias in the media–people took time out of their lives to get on TV, on the national stage, to defend Hillary against the disgusting media. People made important youtube videos *proving* the bias. People have published articles on it. People have started radio shows to combat the Obot-media. On and on–yes! Pumas defended Hillary and Bill non-stop! To the point that pundits got suspended or had to apologize or got demoted–AND, the worst of all: they became *jokes*…destroying the credibility of their word and their profession overall. More Americans than EVER now see the MSM as slanted and stupid and mean and lying.

Did you think PUMA was going to entirely shift the sexist culture of our COUNTRY in only a few months? Seriously? It’s ingrained. It’s IN all media. It’s IN everything. We are fighting against brain matter and circuits in the brains of millions and millions of people who are brainwashed and cultivated to think that sexism and misogyny is ok–even many women think it’s ok. Also, TV is the teacher, mommy and daddy and God in this country. People don’t question a LOT of what is on TV. Do you know what kind of mind-**** it is for people to GRASP that the MSM is a LIE or that the MSM has an ulterior motive and agenda? Some people *can’t* understand it, ok? Because they are STUPID. Sometimes you can’t fix STUPID.

Do you not know we are dealing with American Zombies and Obots? How exactly is it possible to completely control the “liberal media” and the masses who absorb it, and only in a few months? Whatever answer you give, we have *done it.* And we will continue to fight against the crooked biased propaganda.

what kat in your hat said.

kat in your hat 12.07.08 at 1:08 pm 61

I really do admire the way your mind works and the way you express your thoughts. So much that, occasionally, I copy and save them for future reading. Like this time. I hope you don’t ‘mind’.

Trish from Canada

No. That is not my purpose. I have been coming to this site for months with no purpose other that those cired above.
Just sitting here working and thought it would be nice to give a friends and family price to anyone here who wanted it.

What’s the point of having women rise politically if they, themselves, are still afraid/unable to voice opinions/outrage at the negative ways in which women are depicted and regarded? The excuses, which range from ‘she doesn’t want to open herself to ridicule’ to ‘she doesn’t want to be seen as not being able to pay hardball’, are holy horseshit. When you are the object of ridicule, it’s time to play hardball!

Texas Tigress~~~~ This last line of your also left an indelible fottprint in my mind.

“When we can stop projecting our individual experiences onto other women , then we can view positive resolutions as they apply to our entire gender rather than our individual selves .”

Mountainsong Two Spirits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berdache

footprint*, even

ChristineRI: Having read Murphy’s suggested response above, perhaps she might have responded to some degree, however, the most important thing I think she can do for all women is do the best darned job as SOS that’s ever been done. Had she really gone off on the oaf, I can just hear the MSM, et al, questioning her suitability to be SOS.

ladyhawkke 12.07.08 at 1:38 pm Yes, thank you, Ladyhawke I would agree that describes me, as perfectly as anything can.

Carol,
My two cents on changing the name and purpose of the PAC.

Changing our name from PUMAs because the media wanted to attach the “Party Unity our Ass” plays into their lack of authentic reporting. Many of us called ourselves PUMAs, and didn’t care if that tag was put on the meaning because there was no party unity in the election and the proposed unity on teevee was a sham.

There are some tight groups here, for many reasons, some folks bond more on their own experiences, some met in Denver and bonded, some bonded because they are on the blog day in and day out no matter what happens. That is a good thing to the group, more of that needs to happen instead of less. If no bonding is better, it would be called a HuffPO type of blog.

Purpose of the pac is in flux right now, we knew it would be at the end of the election. Murphy and the PUMAs decided that the pac would work on changing what corruption happened during the election and would help fix the Democratic party so in the future PUMAs would have a voice again and could go back to the Democratic party were the ‘older’ pumas came from. Then things took a twist, Denver was a sham roll call no matter how hard we tried to support the delegates and Hillary.

McCain picked Sarah and some of the PUMAs saw she and her family were trashed the same way Hillary was, some PUMAs defended her as a women and yet not as a candidate.

Then the blog opened up to Republicans and I think this is where the idea of fixing the Democratic Party went off the rails. Republican’s are not interested in fixing the Democratic Party and the only common ground on the blog between the two parties was the sexism, bias MSM and common anger at the Slick Rick Obama.

I think some of the disjointed goals of the blog are natural as we try to define our direction and more people leaving the blog is due to that struggle.

If the blog decides to become just a place to point out sexism and doesn’t keep the main goal of fixing the Democratic party, many more may leave. Changing the name or starting a third party won’t make it stronger.

What about the perpetrators and their enablers (OBAMA).
If Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton isn’t saying what you want her to say, stand up and say it for yourself.

Yeah, the woman was sexually assaulted but didnt say what I wanted her to say, so let’s sexually assault her daughter now, and see how the woman likes that!

Mountainsong

You have mail…

Dances

Ditto….

Why are people still discussing what Hillary’s response should be?

Isn’t the real question, “What is Barack Obama’s response?”

Hillary has to meet with male leaders all over the world and here in her own country Obama’s head speechwriter is grabbin her tit and another hack is forcing a beer down her throat?

What is his fuckin response?

Oh-Oh- Goofsmom..

Stand alone pdf created in 04′ for Obama’s benefit.

The reason Hillary needs to respond is because the damange was done to her. I learned that if you ignore this behavior, it will only continue, and stronger the next time. If it had been done to me, You bet I would respond, and strongly. In the corporate world, I did respond, and strongly. I had one of my employees call me a “f… b… once, and only once. I took him outside, alone, just he and I, and I made it clear I would never accept this behavior or this language. It did not not happen again…

Carol, one more time from Kat that puts it so well………..

kat in your hat 12.07.08 at 1:08 pm

carol #43:

You do not speak for me. “We” includes me, and I don’t identify with your statements. As far as your first point, defending Hillary and Bill against the “liberal media”:

-Oh yes we did defend Hillary and Bill against the liberal media. I personally responded to thousands of articles and websites as a Hillary Rapid Responder and Puma Responder. I wrote letters to the editor; I started a blog calling OUT the media; I constantly called and emailed and complained. I blogged day and night defending Hillary and Bill against the biased media. Oh, and people physically protested against the media, in NYC, and in Denver, and in LA, and in states all around the country. On top of that, nearly everyone boycotted/ turned off certain programs and stations, like MSNBC. And people took out ads, and started pacs, and started women’s groups to defend Hillary against bias in the media–people took time out of their lives to get on TV, on the national stage, to defend Hillary against the disgusting media. People made important youtube videos *proving* the bias. People have published articles on it. People have started radio shows to combat the Obot-media. On and on–yes! Pumas defended Hillary and Bill non-stop! To the point that pundits got suspended or had to apologize or got demoted–AND, the worst of all: they became *jokes*…destroying the credibility of their word and their profession overall. More Americans than EVER now see the MSM as slanted and stupid and mean and lying.

Did you think PUMA was going to entirely shift the sexist culture of our COUNTRY in only a few months? Seriously? It’s ingrained. It’s IN all media. It’s IN everything. We are fighting against brain matter and circuits in the brains of millions and millions of people who are brainwashed and cultivated to think that sexism and misogyny is ok–even many women think it’s ok. Also, TV is the teacher, mommy and daddy and God in this country. People don’t question a LOT of what is on TV. Do you know what kind of mind-**** it is for people to GRASP that the MSM is a LIE or that the MSM has an ulterior motive and agenda? Some people *can’t* understand it, ok? Because they are STUPID. Sometimes you can’t fix STUPID.

Do you not know we are dealing with American Zombies and Obots? How exactly is it possible to completely control the “liberal media” and the masses who absorb it, and only in a few months? Whatever answer you give, we have *done it.* And we will continue to fight against the crooked biased propaganda.

Yes, Obama should respond also. But I find that most men do not. If they can get away with not doing anything, they will. It is a rare event, and truly heroic, to have a man confront this kind of behavior

Mary Puma 12.07.08 at 2:01 pm
The reason Hillary needs to respond is because the damange was done to her.
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She’s been the target of this crap for 16+ years…
she isn’t damaged. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton doesn’t “need” to do anything. It is you who “needs” her to do something for you.

If you witnessed 2 men beating up and then leaving a woman on the street, would you demand that she get up and fight, because that’s what she “needs” to do, or would step in and do it for her?

goofsmom 12.07.08 at 2:05 pm
Dances, #78
Thank you for posting the Team email here… I wasn’t sure if it was appropriate, considering it was not on the thread topic… (((Hugs)))
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It was short and informative, and the blog was slow enough that I thought it might be okay. Didnt realize you were around either. Also thought you might be reluctant to brag on Goofsdad.
I also posted it in the PumaPAC BC/NBC Forum.

Good morning, PUMAs. Am I still welcome to post here? I’m not sure, but I think I may have inadvertantly set off a firestorm last night, with my comments on HRC. I know many who think I’m too judgmental about what she has done and is doing now, but damn it, she has the world’s attention, and she has clout, and she doesn’t use it, not the way she needs to use it. As I said before, she’s a politician, first and foremost, and her actions have shown that undeniably. For anyone who thinks I’m too young to understand what she’s gone through, you’re mistaken. While I’m not a senior citizen, I’m no youngster, despite having young kids; I’ll be 48 next birthday. So, I’ve faced some stuff myself, especially when I did my hitch in the Army back in the early ’80’s. And bunches of other times, going through law school, opening my own practice in a small town that was filled with rednecks who still thought women should stay home and keep their mouths shut. But I’ve always fought back. When I was in high school, I signed up for an elective called Vocational Agriculture. No girl had ever done that before and I was told I wasn’t allowed to take the class, because I was female. I raised hell, had a meeting with the principal, and by the time it was over, I was the first girl ever in the history of our high school to take VoAg. Was I resented? Hell, yes. Did I care? No. I boldfaced it and eventually, after a lot of grumbling and mumbling, the boys accepted me. The next year, that class was flooded with girls and the boys got over it. I know, big deal, a class in a small town high school. But I just tell you all that to let you know that I’m willing to lay it on the line, get aggressive and in their faces, and live with the consequences. And I have very little power. So, when a woman with the kind of power that HRC has, lays down, tucks her tail and gives belly, of course I’m angry. Appeasement time is long over. It’s time to get mean and loud, in whatever way we can manage. No more nicey-nicey, no more apologists.
Oh, I have always thought that this election was the start of PUMA, not the end. A bucket of cold water in the faces of slumbering warriors. Time to wake up and fight.

Response to Lorey #15

I disagree with your post that Puma Pac did not do everything in their power to defeat BO. This group and others were on the frontlines telling the truth about this fraud. However, journalists and corrupt money played a big part in his selection.

I had three intelligent friends tell me that Palin was unqualified to be the Vice-President. These friends are by trade a financial planner, CPA, and an attorney. When I went into detail about the caucus fraud, present votes, illegal campaign donations, etc., there were normally two reactions. First, why haven’t we heard this before or a silent response.

The corrupt and abusive Fourth Estate played a major part in elevating BO to the Presidency. When intelligent and caring voters in the country are listening to propaganda, it is hard to get our message out.

Fast forward to the post election period and read and hear the spin about his appointments. Where is the scrutiny and investigation about his campaign platform and agenda? It is all about how these appointments make him “appear” great. What a bunch of garbage!

I have no idea why HRC accepted the SOS position. However, Samantha Powers is back and now he want to elevate the UN position to a Cabinet position. Even if HRC does a superb job, she will not receive credit because the media is working for BO.

Until the Fourth Estate wakes up and starts reporting the truth this nation will continue to go downhill.

“from”

I am here and have not left. I have been reading the posts. I read them most everyday but have not posted a comment. I just felt I needed time after the election to come out of my depression and so much I read makes me more depressed. I can’t say enough how upset I was when “that one” won. As for Hillary and the boys, I really think if she doesn’t take a stand, it does little good for all of us to. I really always thought she had balls but I am beginning to wonder. She needed to stick up for herself in the primarys and again now.
I am digusted with the media to no end. I stopped watching tv and also listening to talk radio. Just have to take a break.
I did all I could to help McCain win. Lost friends, some family etc. The hope dope was really in veins and no amount of reason was going to change this. Gee, I hate that word change. I can’t look at BO or MO’s faces on TV, they both make me sick.
I tell everyone now that I am in the resistance unit and will not go down without a fight. Some of my so-called friends sent me sympathy cards after the election! Just sick to death of the whole thing and so sad that this empty suit will be running our country. Nope, not ready to join in the blog yet but I do the prowls when they come across my email.
HOPE you all have a wonderful Sunday afternoon. Gee, that’s another word I have come to hate.

hillary2008 12.07.08 at 12:35 pm

DWP

GWB was not my President.

BHO is not my President.

These men do not speak nor represent me.

—————–DITTO!————————

Anna Belle #3
Agree.

Murphy #92: Old is good in many ways but it would surely be great to get up in the morning without all the creaking. And you’re right, I guess I am projecting myself and my experiences onto her because in her place, good or bad, I think I’d be aware of my role as a role model, but that’s just speculation as well. As for your last point, good point, being just yourself can be a life long journey.

Over the last few weeks, I’ve observed some anger here and was, at first, a little put off. Then I remembered how truly angry I was in my youth and, frankly, how enraged and frustrated I’ve been and remain during this election cycle. I’ve also realized how different, and how much the same, the issues are for young women as opposed to the battles we fought. Thanks for the conversation.

Brian H.,
Your #347 from last thread.

I guess I’ll be the first to fire.

Hillary is the victim. Obama and his press establishment are the perpetrators. It’s as simple as that. You are blaming the victim and pouring more gas on the flames of denigration. An indignant letter to her for failing to be a proper role model.PULEEZE! Hillary gets a thousand attacks a day and can’t be expected to hone in one one for special scrutiny. Any complaint she makes well be described as whining and crying, Your efforts would have been better served writing to Obama, members of his staff and the misogynistic press, the MEN’S magazines about their shameful conduct instead of denouncing a real hero to women. A shout out to men from a man would be helpful.

If you are not or were not a Hilary supporter then your mean spirited letter on “behalf” of her supporters is misguided.

p.s. “kiss my grits” from your yesterday post was cute. Thanks, but no thanks.

Dances,

You are so awesome… thanks for posting to the Documenting “O” forum also…

MTN- thanks for your comment on my post #16 .
I’m kind of trying to work all of this out as I go along .
I’m trying to step back and see things (even this blog) as a part of the whole .
I was affraid that what I said only made sense to me

Hypocrisy of Obama and the Fourth Estate

The economy seems to be the #1 issue in the media. Yet, BO is spending $240 million on 7 days of Inauguration festivities while saying the economy is going to get worse. This is obscene! However, do we have the press reporting the discrepancies between his spending and our bad economy? No, they are too busy kissing his a@@!

One of Hillary’s accomplishments that I had completely forgotten about: White House Smoke Free Zone

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4B61GF20081207

Website http://www.cigaraficionado.com says Gerald Ford, who served from 1974-77, was the last U.S. president to use tobacco on a regular basis. The White House no-smoking rule was imposed by former First Lady Hillary Clinton, now Obama’s nominee for secretary of state.

goofsmom 12.07.08 at 1:53 pm
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I think this article aptly shows what we are really up against:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6789

Judi McLeod, Editor

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Obama, “natural born” citizen of the United States, Constitution of the United States

The Divided States of America

Oops!!! I did try to stop that!!! I’m sorry.

Goofsmom sent e this article which I think aptly shows what we are really facing here in America, in re: this election as it relates to our constitution…..

The Divided States of America

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6789

What puff #109 said! Also, I don’t believe we failed. We just have lot’s of time to go. The work will never be finished by any means. Thank you to all PUMAs!

kat in your hat: I made some suggestions ages ago and only got one or two interested responses. I feel frustrated, kind of like the “herding cats” syndrome when trying to feel out PUMA P.A.C. for “where do we go from here.” I really wish we could organize meetings in the flesh, in each state, if possible, and get to know each other personally, rather than mostly virtually. I would do my best to get there, even without much money and very little child care alternatives.

goofsmom 12.07.08 at 2:14 pm

I have read the article. Thank you for posting your link… it is important and the attorney’s are aware of the argument.
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goofsmom…
could you post an update on the outcome of the news conference at Pumas Unleashed. I really am curious what the reaction is…of course, no one will question the validity of Obama’s Birth status, right. That would be too much of an embarrassment for Obama to answer such a ridiculous question.

Griffin
I really wish we could organize meetings in the flesh, in each state, if possible, and get to know each other personally, rather than mostly virtually.
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Have you attempted to manifest that in your state?
I’m sure the Puma PAC regional morderator could help you get the word out for your state or region. Sorry, I know you’ve mentioed your general location but I can;t recall what it was.

I thank BillieJo and Murphy for standing up for Hillary. The argument with Mary Puma will never be won, as she does not ignore any opportunity to diss Hillayr that comes along.

Murphy:
On being old…Picture a very soon to be 83 year old lady, trnsferring a 15 lb cat from the computer chair to a lazy boy chair that rocks and has a blanket that partly rests on the floor. Well the soon to be 83 year old lady had just got up from a long nap, was still groggy and stumbled on the misplaced blanket and took a resounding crash into the door frame breaking some ribs. So now, who do you think finally really considers herself old. This happened on Friday so I have a long way to go to recovery.

Dances: I’m in Gold Bar, Washington, about an hour outside of Seattle. I’m not sure how many PUMAs there are in Washington, although I suspect that Seattlegirl, for obvious reasons, may be one of them, and maybe Mountainsong. What I really meant, though, was a PUMA-wide effort, in each of the states, on or about the same time. I realize that’s asking for a lot logistically, though, and since I’m not in charge of anything but my own life (as much as a “mere woman” can be), I haven’t made too much noise about it.

By the way, are there any West Virginians in PUMA? I’m a transplanted hillbilly and some days I’m so homesick, I could break out into a plaintive Hank Williams song. My neighbors are thankful that I haven’t. LOL.

Griffin,
Good idea. I think one step at a time could work. Maybe you could send out a call through your regional moderator… and from that group, strategize as to making the same thing happen nation-wide.

This is the email address of your regional moderator:
west@pumapac.org

You are the one you’ve been waiting for

Griffin #140: I was born in West by God Virginia, lived in Vermont, and now reside in KY about 2 hours from where I was born.

Dances: Thanks. You’re right, one step at a time. So, I just sent out a short “feeler” e-mail, as my first step.

Hey, West Virginia PUMAs! Are you out there?

VTCat: Yahoo! Another transplanted hillbilly? How long did you live in WV before you left?

PUMA’s it is very empowering to get together w/like-minded people. This year I connected w/PUMA’s in Portland, Denver, and last month in Atlanta GA. A few of us are about to finish a top secret prowl, haha. Well who knows what will come of it but you can’t know until you try.

Griffin I’m in Oregon & get up to Washington from time to time, usually not much farther than Olympia though. Anyway if you want to connect sometime give a shout out.

Thank you, TEXAS and Boston. I know Texas that if I were with you I wouldn’t be able to gt better care. AS it is, if something falls on the floor, it stays there Anyone who has had broken ribs knows excruciating the pain can be, but you do find little ploys to make it more bearable. No pain killers as yet, other than the shot they gave me at the ER. I have always tried to get along without pain killers. The one thing is the kitty litter. It is electric but t does have to be emptied. My niece emptied it for me when we came back from the hospital but I’m trying to figure out a way to lift it off the floor so that I can do it myself.
The doctor, a very nice lady, said the pets will get you every time. Her mother broke a hip stepping over her dog. Well, now I am always careful to know where the cat is before I take a step backward.

Griffin:

My Mom relocated us, trying to outrun a truly dangerous husband who was also a police officer, when I was 9. No such thing as women’s shelters in those days. Funny though, being in KY just feels like home. As I said, I’m only about 2 hours from where I was born and the people are pretty much the same. Where in WV are you from?

Lilibet
Happy pre-birthday, and many more to come!!
Speedy recovery.

Dances….there was life before PUMA?????
lol…distant memory…

Have a great day, Dances!

nobama picture added, a link to share with others
http://www.flickr.com/photos/think_about_it/

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lilibet 12.07.08 at 2:59 pm
I’m so sorry to hear of your unfortunate accident and I dope yor pain is small and your recovery swift.
I live in an apartment complex for ’seniors’ a dear friend who is your age, also fell in her apartment and is on the mend.
My next door neighbor is a frail, but feisty, 94 year old. She says she’s ‘adopted’ me as her lil sister and always refers to herself now as my “Big Sis”
At first, I didn’t like it here because I am the youngest and ‘they’ never let me forget it or claim to be ‘getting old’.
But, they are people, just like us, with the same feelings, and dreams. Many are so lonely my heart just breaks, so I try to give some tme to many of them. And they have proven to be wonderful teachers, sharing their experiences and things they’ve learned “the hard way” over the years and now I absolutely trasure and adore each and every one of them~~~even the grumpies.
Just wanted to say all that as a way of letting you know how much you are appreciated here. Get well soon, ok?

good one invalid! But I still long to see a member of the press pull those dudes before a camera and do an interview, “WHAT were you thinking?!!,” really call them on the carpet. Along the lines of what Imus had to answer those same questions. Geeky creepy Yahoos!

Off-topic but this song is so beautiful, I loved it in the movie “Seven Years in Tibet” w/Brad Pitt.

Isn’t it strange I finally bought it on iTunes only to discover the younger generation is listening to it, I think I read it is in the movie Twilight (which I’m not especially interested in seeing even though a friend wants me to go)…

proving I guess music is sometimes a common denominator of sorts, isn’t it?

Anyway here’s a beautiful song for whatever ails you:

Claire de lune
http://1stpiano.com/claire_de_lune_debussy.php

Hi freddie I think that’s a great idea…….

MOUNTAINSONG:
Thank you so much. And to think, you have a great mission without even leaving your apartment complex. I am the last member alive of my immediate family so I make it a point of being near this one nephew and his wife who have been a part of my life for such a long time. When I taught In Texas I seriously thought or retiring in a community in the Highland Hill Country near Austin. But then, family won out. I so understand what it must be like for people who have lost most or all of their family members. So, it is a wonderful and compassionate work that you do to make these people feel less lonely and unloved.

Okay, first batch of cookies in, so I’m checking in for a moment.

hillstheone: I hope I can get to Olympia some day soon. It’s beautiful there, I love the national forest.
VTcat: I grew up in Grafton(born in Texas, though) lived all over the state during my time there, and last lived about 12 miles outside a little town called Mannington. We had some land and a log home down a holler, with about five families on a two-mile dirt road. I loved it, even if it was damned inconvenient at times. I can see why Kentucky would seem like WV, they are basically identical in their physical features.

I think PUMA needs to weigh in on this. Petition to appoint Janice Schakowsky to the Illinois Senate:

http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/Schakowsky

More info on Janice Schakowsky:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400360

About lurkers etc.

Many ‘hit counters’ keep a detailed record at their site of much information about EVERYONE who opens your site, even if they don’t post anything. What site they came from last, who their ISP is, what computer system and software they’re using, much more.

With some work, it would be possible to compare that info for an old poster to info for current lurkers, or to compare current lurkers to the WHOIS info for the ‘Fritzy’ site or whatever it is.

One ‘hit counter’ with a lot of free service is
http://www.sitemeter.com/

(I’m not suggesting spending energy tracking down ‘Woodie’ as she sounded sincere to me, I’m just offering a resource for the future agaisnt serious trolls or cons.)

ladyhawkke 12.07.08 at 3:41 pm said: I’m still trying to uncover something about Obama’s mother, her passport application, his, anything.
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At my site ironmyvote.com scroll down and there are some very good references on Obama’s early life, his mother, etc.

#177

Supporting Obama

Schakowsky, who represents the 9th Congressional District in Northern Illinois, serves on the House Select Intelligence Committee; helped found the Out-of-Iraq Caucus in 2005; is a long-time Obama supporter and serves as co-chair of his campaign, endorsed Obama over a year ago, on October 2, 2007:

“Barack Obama … is the only one [running for president] who really has the capacity to send a very different signal around the world, someone who can effectively go to capitals of both our allies and our adversaries and create a new new tone that creates the space for peace.”

In RBO’s October 22, 2008, post about Obama and the radical members of Congress, we listed U.S. Representatives who are members of the Congressional Progressive Congress. This includes Jan Schakowsky.

Trevor Loudon first wrote about Schakowsky in February 2008. Recently, he mentioned Schakowsky’s husband, Robert Creamer, who is a board member, along with former SDSers, husband and wife, Paul Booth and Heather Booth (Chairman), of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge-funded Midwest Academy.

Her husband runs Camp Obama.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/jan-schakowsky-obamas-radical-campaign-co-chair-and-replacement/

BBL, Family have arrived , time for me to get Sunday evening meal prepared and also to have more wine.

#174 HP Boston

I understand your need to drown your sorrows. Just hope no one gets hurt doing so.

Cheers!

Haven’t been keeping up. Sorry. But am very glad that this site exists. Have been around off and on from the very start. Still have a hard time believing what happened in the primary and election, and still don’t believe ovomit “won”. I worked the election and did not see a win. Rules were altered; tally sheets turned in without numbers, etc. My personal experience was in a very democratic part of a very red state. The numbers in that precinct should have been a blowout for bo, but it was a tie. I was told that this precinct was almost always a reflection of the entire county. With so many dems voting repub, I don’t see how he won this very blue county or this very red state. Even when dems vote dem, rarely does a dem win here. I do believe the outcome was perdetermined, as it was in the last two elections (don’t believe Bush won either of those–ie, fl & oh) But the outcome did not surprise me.

I don’t know the answer, but I do know we have to work to find one.

I absolutely do not think the Pumas failed. Pumas did all they were asked to do. We spoke out against sexism, against BO, wrote thousands of letters and made thousands of phone calls. We had no control over the massive voter fraud and ACORN. Furthermore, McCain and Palin failed because their own party didn’t support them. We did the best we could under the circumstances. Every one of us should be proud of all we have done.

Body Language
http://dating.personals.yahoo.com/singles/datingtips/87421/dating-101-decode-his-body-language/
From this article, do you recognize anyone?
On-the-Rocks Body Language
He shifts in his chair or taps his fingers. These nervous ticks may make it seem like he’s just plain nervous, but if they’re done while he’s explaining himself to you, they actually indicate that he could be fibbing.
He toys with his ears or his nose. If youre guy starts toying with his ear or nose (and he doesn’t have allergies), be suspicious. When a guy is being deceptive, it’s common for blood to rush to his face. His nose and ears will get warm and begin to itch, causing him to unconsciously rub or scratch them.
He looks up and to the left. The next time you ask him a sticky question or he wants to explain himself to you, notice which way he looks. If his eyes move up to the right, he’s recalling information from his memory. If he looks up to the left, there’s a good chance that he’s inventing the answer.
He averts his eyes. Because animosity is so hard to conceal, your guy will reduce eye contact. He’s subconsciously aware that one peek into his peepers will reveal his inner grrr. For a clue as to whether he’s miffed at you or someone else, look into his eyes (since he won’t look into yours). If he stares you down the second you catch his gaze, you’re probably the object of his ire.
His jaw is tense. Check out the spot where his jaw meets his cheekbone. If his mouth is rigid and you can see his jaw flexing, it’s a sign he’s fuming.
He covers his mouth with his hand. This guy is probably lying. When he unconsciously obstructs your view of his lips, it’s a sign that he’s trying to block the truth from slipping out. In addition, he might lick his lips and look away from you — directing his eyes down and to the right.
He turns his cheek mid-convo. Occasionally averting his eyes or scanning the room is normal, but if you find yourself talking mostly to his profile, you’re in trouble.

Oops, the “p.s. in my #198 post was “hiding below the fold” from my copy/paste. Not intended to be there as a repeat. ‘Pologies.

#20 invalidresponse— well put:

“Still the point is, although not one of them agreed that it was just as ‘funny’ to have others in the same position as Hillary’s picture was….there was certainly no outrage of the original picture…only the altered ones……go figure…….wish just one of them would have explained exactly what methods would have worked better”

murphy:
Yoiks! #201, or whatever the # would have been, was a “leaky” copy paste. Kill it! the real post I wanted is very short:
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Griffin 12.07.08 at 2:52 pm

kat in your hat: I made some suggestions ages ago and only got one or two interested responses. I feel frustrated, kind of like the “herding cats” syndrome when trying to feel out PUMA P.A.C. for “where do we go from here.” I really wish we could organize meetings in the flesh, in each state, if possible, and get to know each other personally, rather than mostly virtually. I would do my best to get there, even without much money and very little child care alternatives.//
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There is a tool that would allow 10 people to meet “virtually”. It’s $50 for the ‘lite’ version:
http://www.megameeting.com/personal.html

More powerful packages are much more, though.

#182 AniEm

Ditto, 100%!

We need the PUMApac just as is, and Murphy is working in conjunction with The New Agenda. And some PUMAs are working on secret prowls…very apt!

PUMABear, I like the idea of bringing the younger women up to speed with a viral youtube, putting the nonstop misogyny in context and all in one place.