Just a little fun with the boys!

Oh goodie, a racist

Oh good, atypical.. you beat me!

I still say, as I did downstairs, that it gives a clear message to the males that it’s “ok” when the “standard bearer” of breaking the glass ceiling for women says this is “ok” and just “having fun”. That, IMHO, set back our fight against sexism a couple more decades (sigh)…..

Well now if we could get the WP to run this ……..

Thank’s for asking , Murphy , and -All is well in “The best of all possible Worlds” (see Candide by Voltaire)

KarenWI 12.06.08 at 4:57 pm
Can you just hear it now? A guy grabs your breast and when you protest they say “C’mon… it’s just fun… Hillary even said so! Just relax and enjoy yourself…. we’re going to have a LOT of fun together!”
———————
That would be just before the bullet enters his skull.

Dances- “That would be just before the bullet enters his skull.”
_________________________________
How dare you not make it slow and painful

TexasTigress 12.06.08 at 5:00 pm
Dances- “That would be just before the bullet enters his skull.”_________________________________
How dare you not make it slow and painful
************
Good point. Just cut off his pinky-dick with a dull butter knife.

2 damn funny.

Rolling Rolling Rolling on the Floor.

Laughing Laughing Laughing all the way.

Dances …mail

Regarding the previous thread and going back to our little holes or whatever – I would be happy to , but then the burden of maintaining Murphy’s blood pressure at a creativly high level would fall completely on Dances and she already does so much for us

TT
I wouldn’t mind taking on the extra task of maintaining the tormentor’s blood pressure levels.

Gotta go to a football game (apparently we are very good ) 2 undefeated teams ! Woot ! BBL

The whole things sickens me! Also, folks please go to Femisex.com for an excellent op/ed on this picture. Benighted Indeed!
title:
“Obama’s Dark House? If Jon Faveau remains on Obama’s staff after sexual denigration of Clinton, then yes, Obama’s House is Truly Benighted”
http://www.femisex.com/content/obamas-dark-house-if-jon-faveau-remains-obamas-staff-after-sexual-denigration-clinton-then-y

Great job touching up the photo…hope it gets posted around so we can watch the fallout!

(pls send to Hillbuzz, someone!)

turndownobama… I agree it was a sarcastic remark. HOWEVER, it didn’t really give indication of being angry with the groping… or seeing it as sexist. Sarcasm isn’t a very appropriate way of dealing with sexist pigs unfortunately. The sarcasm goes right over their tiny little heads. You’ve gotta be blunt and hit right right where it hurts with it or it isn’t going to be taken very seriously…. and that is what Hillary and her spokesperson did NOT do- which, IMHO gives more “fuel” to the sexist pigs and sets back the anti-sexism movement a couple decades.

Whoa… didn’t see the change in the photo. Condi being groped??? LOL.. whose work was this? DWP?

Still wish someone could do one of HRC grabbing O (or the guy groping her) in the crotch or the buns… and see what happens THEN…no, it’d have to be O.. O doesn’t get mad unless it’s against HIM- everything is about HIM….

I wish the photo of Condi had used a picture of her with a dumb look on her face. That was a big part of the offensiveness of the original.

The way to switch it to Obama would be to show him shining someone’s shoes or something like that.

turndownobama.. ah, but just shining shoes would be RACIST… this was SEXIST. Oh, that’s right… ANYTHING against “The One” become Racist… sorry, forgot that new little unwritten “law of the land”….

Dances…guess

I tried to post this at Hillbuzz but it’s in moderation-probably forever.

47 Karen WI
That reminds me I would like to revisit the post of a day or two ago regarding the 151 million dollar discrepancy between the FEC report and BO do0nations. Is it in the Action Center and if so, under what title?

atypical
check the right hand sidebar for topics

NIJMA #49
Problem is that using Hill’s body with MO’s head. MO would probably be taller than the gropers

Here’s a link to pass around to pro.Owehavehadenough sites for fellow pumas that like to stir things…..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/think_about_it/

This will make everyone feel better:

David Cook croons to Hillary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0TIm_MPr08&feature=related

Karen,

Reine’s statement is even stronger than “It’s wrong.” He’s saying “Don’t piss off women, because they will get you fired right OR wrong.”

“He’s saying “Don’t piss off women, because they will get you fired right OR wrong.””

What? YOu got all of that from teh ‘applying to the state dept”

Dances,

You can get as much or as little from such statements as you look for. Others are getting “It’s okay” or “it was just fun” or “hillary has reversed” etc etc. “Don’t piss off Hillary” is the LITERAL meaning, thus more likely than theirs.

So you’re just adding to the lunacy?
Okay, got it.

TBO,
So you’re looking to mischaracterize all women with you’re interpretation.

atypical 12.06.08 at 7:32 pm

Hill already being undercut despite Obama promises:
http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2008/12/03/22304/

Hey all go post here very easy, no sign in! FUN!!

HP Boston 12.06.08 at 7:37 pm

atypical 12.06.08 at 7:32 pm

Hill already being undercut despite Obama promises:
http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2008/12/03/22304/

Hey all go post here very easy, no sign in! FUN!!

—————————-
I have been deleted already! I only suggested Jon the speechwriter for the job!

HELP why is hillary the issue and the bad one in all this?

taggles1 12.06.08 at 8:18 pm
HELP why is hillary the issue and the bad one in all this?
=====================

Good point. We can disagree about whether Hillary’s camp said just the right thing. However what is clear is that Obama’s camp did a very WRONG thing. So why not spend our energy confronting Obama and demanding he fire his speechwriter?

Reid has to go …grrrr he is horrible

But, but NOW’s mission is to protect Michelle! So, they are going to get angry at this point, I guess.

Obama and his cronies are sickos we all know that. I trust none of them

sandipuma 12.06.08 at 8:43 pm
I sent a letter to Obamas camp asking to have the speech writer fired but you can bet youe bootie they don’t care and will laugh at us all.They are the type of people with no morals what-so-ever.Would roll on the floor laughing if we all dropped dead.I also recieved 2 e-mails from Harry Reid and the second one was such a joke i wrote him back and told him what i thought of him.
====================================

That is what happens when we write privately to the guilty camp. We need to make our protests PUBLICALLY, by posting at news sites or perhaps doing petitions that get news coverage — or doing stunts of our own with cutouts of Obama, Michelle, etc et.

This is a very simple clear issue that reflects on OBAMA’s JUDGEMENT in hiring this speechwriter to supervise things at the White House. We can call on Obama for specific action: fire the groper. It lends itself to Alinsky tactics: isolate Obama and/or groper, ricicule them, etc.

We should make news media focus on how many of us are protesting and how clever our protests are. Don’t let them divert the focus to the Campbell Brown types who are criticizing Hillary!

Circulate some images like this with the victims Margaret Thatcher, BEnezier Bhutto (yes, she’s already assassinated), Golda Meier, etc. Or Queen Noor or other current Middle East women. Is this an example of his diplomacy?

Go to news media that are printing “Obama’s Radio/Video Address for December 6.” that have comments up (none have yet) and ask if this was written by the FAcebook Groper, and when Obama plans to fire him. Do this on all major Obama quotes.

Riverdaughter has a variation on the same theme:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/does-it-offend-you-now/

taggles1 12.06.08 at 9:05 pm

I’d hate to be around here on a day someone found out a rape victim didn’t want to testify.
____________________________________________
What was she wearing?
Was she flirting with him?
Did she invite him to he apartment?
What does she look like?
Is she saying it to advance her career?
If she won’t testify did it really happen?
He is a respected member of the community what did she do for a living?
Who has she dated in the past?
etc..etc..etc…

Show Michell eating at the Hotel a $467 dinner and people asking why she would spend that on herself .Put your arms around her chest and telling her to puke it up because of all the starvation in the USA.Make her look stupid.

YEs….Sandi I love it!!

jenn i knew you would like it and we should do just what they do and see how they like it. Do what ever it takes to get on the news

#87 Jen , I agree . The new Hillary seems so different from the old Hillary . I am puzzled by this .

Someone earlier was making the joke that we should be asking the cutout of Hillary why she was asking for it, playing with these guys emotions, leading them on, etc.

IMHO Hillary is a consumate career politician… which means nothing matters to her as much as her political career. Right now that means hanging onto Obama’s coattails. If Obama loses popularity it would mean slitting his throat. During the Primary I thought that maybe she was a cut above the “normal” career politician… but since she sided with O I started seeing her in a new light; and now this episode even more so. I think that, like most politicians (including “The One”) they, themself, are the center of the universe… and, if doing good for themself will ALSO help US that’s a plus… but #1 is their own political career.

Wait, the penisfreaks assault a cardboard cutout of HRC, (when the penisfreaks really want to fuck each other), and she’s the bad one? We hate her because the muthafuckin’ androidpenisfreaks assaulted a representation of her and she’s the blame for not saying what you want her to say???

think again

Maybe that’s why I like Palin. She seems to not have the “career politician” about her- yet. She’s still too recent from being a “hockey mom at the PTA” and still remembers what it was like to NOT be a politician. The day she forgets what it was like, and just goes “career politician” like all the rest, will be the day I am just as disappointed in her…. I’m looking for someone who hasn’t been brainwashed by Washington yet… right now the closest to that is Palin- and being a female is a huge plus too for me!

Of all the things I dislike Nobama for….. the one thing I respect him for is the fact that he listens to his wife…will publicly admit to to it and has said many times she is a smart and strong women…..
but hey lets go after and belittle him for it:

sandipuma 12.06.08 at 9:27 pm
have A cutout of Michell whipping them bothe saying i’m the boss

taggles1- isn’t that what I just said? That she’s just like all the other career politicians? I was HOPING she was for women… that’s the impression I was feeling during the primary…but what I just said is pretty much what you posted- she’s just like all the other career politicans…. I’m not too proud of the male OR female career politicans out there right now. Look at Brazille and Pelosi and Reid and… well, the list goes on and on and on and on……..

Ok, so how can we stop the perpetrators DWP?? Don’t we have to begin with the attackers making sure the understand that the “attention” was NOT wanted? Or where DO we begin? Ideas?

Okay, we’ve spend a day and a night blathering about this, NOW START WRITING:
Here’s the Quick List of once and could still be sympathetic email addresses. Just cut and past into your email:
hardball@msnbc.com; caffertyfile@cnn.com; campbellbrown@cnn.com; cnn.onair@cnn.com; cnn.feedback@cnn.com; comments@mclaughlin.com; Cavuto@foxnews.com; niteline@abc.com; LouDobbs@cnn.com; hemmer@foxnews.com; headlinenews@cnn.com; Hannity@foxnews.com; gretawire@fox.com ; writemalkin@gmail.com ; elrushbo@eibnet.com; charlierose@pbs.org; gretawire@foxnews.com;

Karen, you don’t get the perpetrator by going after the victim.

Worth repeating

I’d hate to be around here on a day someone found out a rape victim didn’t want to testify.
____________________________________________
What was she wearing?
Was she flirting with him?
Did she invite him to he apartment?
What does she look like?
Is she saying it to advance her career?
If she won’t testify did it really happen?
He is a respected member of the community what did she do for a living?
Who has she dated in the past?
Was she wearing makeup??
etc..etc..etc…

I am sure you would be brave enough to face anything Karen.

So you have earned the right to judge all women who don’t take your route.

No matter the consequence to your career or what the media could do to you. GOOD for you! hands clapping.

taggles… I know this….One reason I’m so deep in debt is that I refuse to lie like so many of my competitors. I have said things that cost me a sale by being honest, but at least I could sleep with myself at night. Honesty and standing up for what is right is more important to me, personally, than anything else… that also cost me a fine from the Insurance Commissioner once.. and a $2500 fine… and a warning. But standing for the truth and being honest means that much to me…

Forgot to include the link to Oprah:
Go here to and tell Miss Oprah Made All Her Money Off Women about how you feel too.
http://www.oprah.com/index

hey everyone

been reading the blog off and on today and i don’t know whether to laugh or cry about the comments here.

I think a few here need to step back and think about what you are really fighting for and what do YOU want to acheive from that fight.

do you even know who you are fighting, because it sounds to me like you are fighting Sen. Clinton and whoaaaa no one has yet produced a direct quote from her regarding the pigs and her cutout. Yet, some of you have bashed her to hell and back for 1. comments she supposedly made and 2. comments she never made, and 3. comments you want her to make. Take her off your pedestals please, its not a safe place to put anyone.

Also, seeing opinions are flying around here like the wind, i’m going to add mine. Women are the worst at being hard on women, and some of you here are just plain nasty in your attacks on women, and out there is the physical, 3 demensional world (the one that exists off this blog for those unsure of which world i’m talking about) women eat other women alive everyday. Every damn day a woman wants to be better than another woman, and in my opinion that is another form of sexism that needs to be defeated.

We se eenough of it in the workforce and in our casual lives, why must it be here on this blog. It goes with that saying take care of your own back yard before you start craping in your neighbours. Well, we need to stop the negativity against Sen. Clinton and other women before we can expect others to follow suit. And its not any prettier when we trash her or when Bo’s camp trashes her.

I still have tremendous respect for Sen. Clinton, as a woman and a mother and a senator and a wife and an American. Each of these and more make up who she is, who she was and who she will be. And regardless of her situation right now (which by the way I’m not privy to know the details off, as I don’t meet with her and get her view on things, kudos to those of you who act as though you are privy to that info) I still respect her.

That’s it…..If all the women politicians in this world do not do exactly as we wish them to do …>>> under the buss they go<<<<<<…..
It is ok if the male politicians don’t because they are men and we expect it for them …but damn it we expect more from those that don’t have those extra body parts between their legs!!!

Bring on the women…we stand ready to attack

DancesWithPumas 12.06.08 at 9:42 pm
Okay, we’ve spend a day and a night blathering about this, NOW START WRITING:
Here’s the Quick List of once and could still be sympathetic email addresses. Just cut and past into your email:
hardball@msnbc.com; caffertyfile@cnn.com; campbellbrown@cnn.com; cnn.onair@cnn.com; cnn.feedback@cnn.com; comments@mclaughlin.com; Cavuto@foxnews.com; niteline@abc.com; LouDobbs@cnn.com; hemmer@foxnews.com; headlinenews@cnn.com; Hannity@foxnews.com; gretawire@fox.com ; writemalkin@gmail.com ; elrushbo@eibnet.com; charlierose@pbs.org; gretawire@foxnews.com;
==================================

They’re workign on some good images to send over at
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/does-it-offend-you-now/#comment-244794

turndownobama
Is it safe to assume that you are getting the people on your blog to take the same action?

Trish what letter?

Good think this isn’t my blog…everyone that blamed Hillary would get a $20 fine to stay on the blog. I am so sick of it.

———–
Dances- wished you had photoshoped MO’s face in the picture, that should get someone’s blood pressure up.

Some of you get my take, and some don’t. I am saying–and it is my opinion and just that–that I DON”T WANT TO TALK ABOUT HILLARY ANY MORE. This may or may not be ‘throwing her under the bus’ (in my opinion, it is not) BUT WHAT IT IS IS REFORMING THE QUESTION AND THE ATTACK!!

INSTEAD OF ASKING HILLARY WHAT SHE IS GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS BULLSHIT, LET’S ASK THE FUCKING MEN. LET’S ASK ACLU, NAACP, NOW, and NARAL. LEAVE HILLARY ALONE is not exactly a condemnation people, but rather a plea.

What if, like Dances suggests, we have stop having sex with men AND we stop discussing Hillary Clinton. Let’s deal with issues, and assholes, and forget about her for a while. And I agree with Trish, what men do or don’t do is has fucking little to do with Hillary–so leave her outa it.

I like Sandi’s idea a lot. Let’s make an image of His Lowness and have some women (how about Oppie and Brazilla) molesting his lower half….and send it on….let’s fight the boys with bullets they understand…

And when I throw a woman under the bus you will know it, and I’m not throwing Hillary under the bus, but putting her in the closet. Big difference.

sandipuma,
I don;t know what letter Trish is refrring to, but, if you copy and paste it to a document and add email addresses (such as above), so I don;t have to do it, I’ll upload it to teh Prowls and the Alerts sections of teh Action Center. Thanks

and, for the record, and once again just my opinion, I think people are damn hard on Karen here.

If our goal is to support women, just remember that Karen is one.

and if women with the MOST power should be held to higher standards, and I think they should, think about that too….

Dances,

I agree…sending them a thing is a waste of breath. Send it to MSM, anyone but….

Hillary is the reason I came to this blog, if she is dissed or left out of the discussions…………….I will leave the blog.

I left for awhile and was happy to see that most of the dissing was gone, but hark, it’s back again. Why are people talking about what someone else said and wanting her to say what you think is right? Jeeze………………not much progression here.

BTW, I spit up tea about your comment regarding you have spent your quota of time discussing men for the day dances…

in a good way, of course, but I need to learn to NOT drink near the computer….

Trish, I bet my last dollar that even if PEBO fires Favreau, he’ll keep him hidden in the basement just to write his speeches. Every dictator who ums and ahs needs a good speechwriter.

Jenni, It’s clear that Karen can speak her mind/opinion. It’s also clear that I can speak mine.

As far as I understand it, PUMA has been (since the selection was done) talking about how to MOVE women up the evolutionary line to HUMAN before 2050.

Puma is NOT the Worship Hillary Blog…..and if it is someone please let me know and I will move on myself…

jenniforhillary
In terms of HRC, the only thing I know is Murphy made her a Puma. So all the puma pac rules apply to her.

Dances and taggles, I’m not talking about coddling…I just sense something….can’t put my finger on it.

AND SOS has almost no power. I will keep saying this until Murphy makes me shut up. SOS does President’s bidding….

jenni
re: SOS… and you’re point? The sackocrap elect isn’t going to make her the president.

The only people who made this about Hillary are the ones who blamed her post action/inaction for the despicable act.

jenniforhillary 12.06.08 at 10:18 pm
Dances,
and as such, NO FUCKING CODDLING
——————
There ya go!

Jennifer, I wish I had your email addy, LOL… I’ve admired you ever since I heard you on the radio…

Note I’m sitting here reading and not replying. When attacks start I just read….. no, I’m not projecting my history on Hillary. I was just saying that ANYBODY who is in a position of leadership is supposed to set the example… just sayin’ that’s all.

Now I’m going to send emails out.

I have a feeling that Favraeu is a hopey changey sort of person, but the next four years are going to need a lot of pragmatic wonky policy speeches.

BWT, has anyone been able to identify the other guy in the picture?

And I didn’t blame her or EVEN MENTION HER except to say I’m sick about talking about her. Which sorta means I fall onto the trish/dances continuum about making this about the FUCKING MEN…

Dances, I brought up the SOS’s position because earlier there was a post that she would get to FIRE this man….NOT gonna happen….

TrishfromCanada 12.06.08 at 10:15 pm

142 BillieJo 12.06.08 at 10:12 pm

I was thinking the same then thought, no, i’m going to stay and become more active and call people on their bullshit about Sen. Clinton and demand facts and not rumours. The more of us that do that the less bashing that will happen. Wanna stick around and help? Taggles and Dances are already demanding sources for rumours, I’m settling in and going to help.
———-
You’re right Trish, Taggles and Dances. I get so tired of it and feel like I am hitting my head against the wall, but making folks come up with the facts instead of letting the spin grow is a better idea. Thanks for setting me straight!

“Now I’m going to send emails out.”
———————
Excellent.

I’m not in the IN GROUP on this blog, but I have to tell you that infighting is killing it. If PUMAPAC is to survive, we have to find a way to accept our differences of opinion in several areas.

jenniforhillary
I love watching you pirouette…
it’s a thing of beauty, and it speaks to your inner process. It’s really quite something to behold.

I can easily take Karen’s side her and neither be sexist or condescending.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is one of the most powerful women in the world. She should be able to speak out about sexism, especially when it involves her. In fact, instead of being able perhaps she should HAVE to speak out, because if not her, than who.

okay….how is this statement wrong?

I want to LOVE her and hate her actions from Denver on. I want to admire her and move beyond her. I want to thank her, and hold her to a higher standard. I want her back, because I don’t like the new her.

And if this makes me the enemy, than we are fucked up

jenniforhillary,

I believe we all deserve the right to critique women, when there is reason to critique them. it’s all about balance, since the SOS talk prior to thanksgiving no one has produced anything factual to show what was on Sen Clinton’s mind. It’s all been rumour and that’s where the biggest issues lay.

Trish–on this and other things I agree with you…

Billie Jo,

I admire you spirit, and your passion. Women could really use your talents, and if you broaden your focus beyond Hillary you could be terrific. Truly terrific.

Okay, we’ve spend a day and a night talking about what HRC coulda, woulda, shoulda said about teh sexual assault acting out of two miscreants.
Now it’s your turn to sauy what you want to say about the representation of assault:
Here’s The Media Quick List
Copy and paste the actual photograph and include it if you like.
Okay, we’ve spend a day and a night blathering about this, NOW START WRITING:
Here’s the Quick List of once and could still be sympathetic email addresses. Just cut and past into your email:

hardball@msnbc.com; caffertyfile@cnn.com; campbellbrown@cnn.com; cnn.onair@cnn.com; cnn.feedback@cnn.com; comments@mclaughlin.com; Cavuto@foxnews.com; niteline@abc.com; LouDobbs@cnn.com; hemmer@foxnews.com; headlinenews@cnn.com; Hannity@foxnews.com; gretawire@fox.com ; writemalkin@gmail.com ; elrushbo@eibnet.com; charlierose@pbs.org; gretawire@foxnews.com;

Alright Dances, I will stop.

I WANT TO KNOW WHY YA’LL ARE DEMANDING A RESPONSE FOR HILLARY.

Let’s face it if she if screwed no matter how she responds:
If she strongly rejects
“Another women overreacting”
“How can she work with world leaders if she can’t handle a little party photo”
“Another example of a women who can’t take a joke”
etc… etc… etc..

Or you get Ms “all bias FULL of bull” saying she didn’t talk about the sexism

I think everyone needs to stop making Hillary their whipping post and look at how maybe she is trying to survive a no win situation.

rejects =objects

antifish
I was here last night, too, and as I said above, PUMAPAC cannot survive, let alone accomplish anything, in this mean climate.
Maybe the purpose here at this time is to cull the herd???

atypical…. last night I posted that PUMAS should sheathe the claws and keep them for the common enemies… and not gash each other. Tussle, yes… gash, no. I also said last night that in spite of our differences we have more in common than we have differences. For some reason… I don’t THINK I’m attacking any individual PUMA here…if so, I am sorry. I do not intend to do any personal attacks.

atypical 12.06.08 at 10:46 pm

antifish
I was here last night, too, and as I said above, PUMAPAC cannot survive, let alone accomplish anything, in this mean climate.
Maybe the purpose here at this time is to cull the herd???

—

lol I prefer to call it a cleansing, I’d add spiritual in front of that but it would just start a new discussion and i’m liking the posterboys one too much.

I’d be curious about what exactly are the mean comments you feel are made. I’m curious because I wonder if we all see the same things in the same way

BillieJo,

I always throw in a dash of BO bashing.

Definitely listen in, it will be interesting!

Mrs Dash’s added to BO Bashes

#190 invalidresponse,

“I think everyone needs to stop making Hillary their whipping post and look at how maybe she is trying to survive a no win situation.”
_______
Exactly! We should be advocates for her and speak out about this sexist assault on her and all the women she represents in America. It is pointless to vilify her for not doing what some of us would expect. We are not her and do not know what she is going through.

I think we can all agree that Hillary Clinton is a brilliant woman. I am not, therefore I dare not question her motives.

KarenWI
I think you are a sweet PUMA and when you talk about Palin it is similar to how I feel about Hillary.
Difference is I have been waiting for Hillary to run for President since she was First Lady, I will never give up on her………nor will I ever move past her Jenni.

Oh, that’s right….they are Muslims, therefore MO ha no say about anything.

Where have all the flowers gone?

OK it’s time to write letters like Dances put out there for us to do.I think i will start with Oprah.Remember women made her who she is today and we can break her if we tried hard enough.Ya right shes so rich she never has to worry lol

I right clicked the photo above and saved it to my files. Then I went to my email and opened new email and attached that saved picture to the new email with this message;

‘First he groped the Secretary of State Hillary R. Clinton, now it is the future First Lady Michelle Obama.
Jon Farveau has not shame and no morals. He is the man that puts words into Obama’s mouth.’

And then I emailed it to everyone in my email address as if I were shocked, that now he was groping Michelle.

I suggest you do the same thing, send an email and that picture to everyone in your email address book and pretty soon all of America will think he actually did it to a life size persona of Michelle…
Then maybe we will see some reactions.

ok Dances, I did the action of sending the above photo to the media, bcc’d the action centre lol

What does your name antifish mean?

lol, don’t answer that …they will never see that fish without thinking of you!!!! I know this as a fact!!!!!

atypical

Where have all the flowers gone?
———–
We are the flowers……….just some of us have thorns.

Is MO who I think?

ty for the clarification

invalidresponse 12.06.08 at 10:57 pm

I have my claws in here……I am simply attempting to show other pumas how they have allowed themselves to be pulled by the nose by ms all bias full of bull….. by her telling you what to think about this situation……

—

ok i’m slow and this is three times today i saw “ms all bias full of bull” but i don’t know who it is referring to. Please enlighten me!

HMMMM wonder why they bounced back?

I would like to know that too. Trish from Canada

TrishfromCanada 12.06.08 at 11:09 pm

Campbell Brown anchors Campbell Brown: No Bias, No Bull, a daily program about politics. Each weeknight on CNN/U.S.,
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/05/campbell.brown.clinton/index.html

freddie lol thats so cool. Sounds like we were all getting in sinc before tonight. LOL i will write and write untill we get some notice.

228
sandipuma 12.06.08 at 11:09 pm

HMMMM wonder why they bounced back?
********************
Could it be because it is a photshop picture?

I suggest every Puma send the photo to everyone in their email address book and asking each person to forward on to their friends with this request:

‘First he groped the Secretary of State Hillary R. Clinton, now it is the future First Lady Michelle Obama.
Jon Farveau has not shame and no morals. He is the man that puts words into Obama’s mouth. Please help us stop this misogynist, disrespectful pig Farveau!’

Trish which cnn email bounced?

thank you, atypical

Maybe Oprah is going to be the First Lady and MO will just be the overpaid maid.

it was cnn feedback that bounced

Dances can you photoshop one with Campbell Brown?

Here’s one with Rachel Maddow (?sp)
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/oh-my-those-obama-speechwriters/

taggles, sure… send graphic of of brown
(great idea, btw)

Regarding the bounced emails…maybe the addresses are not wrong. Maybe these individuals have blocked each of our emails so it does not go through?

sorry…..meant to add there is personal info….thanks!

taggles I think I found a good one of her

From Cannonfire:
rday, December 06, 2008
No job for you
I’ve been waiting for Krugman’s reaction to the unemployment figures, which were worse than even he suspected. Here it is. He points out that the official number does not count the many who have given up on searching for a job.
The chart above shows the employment-population ratio, the ratio of employed Americans to the adult population. By this measure it’s been a weak economy all along — and now it’s falling off a cliff.
It’s almost as though Obama is being set up. The real job losses will hit in January. At that time, people who now suddenly find themselves without employment will also start to lose unemployment benefits — and their homes. The present insecurity will, by February, become the sort of panic that scars a national pscyhe forever.

Also: Gas prices are quite low right now. Will they start creeping up after January 20?

Bottom line: Six-to-ten months from now, Republican propagandists may be in a position to craft a false but persuasive narrative which will picture the Dubya years as the Good Old Days.
Permalink
# posted by Joseph : 9:07 AM 4 comments
Comments:
These are interesting times – everywhere you look, in every direction, there’s an abyss instead of light. Except for the usual stupids (though more numerous than ever), this present society is damn sophisticated. A lot of people have been making money (more or less honestly) – when there has been money – without having regular, old-fashioned jobs. Really, now you can relocate online (RelOkies). I watched the brilliant Bound For Glory last week, I expect a lot of organizing and co-operation. I expect that (except for the stupids) most people will realize that organizing and co-operating is all we have to avoid catastrophic self-destruction. Rich people are starting to say they’ll pay more taxes (because it’s cheaper than the security they’ll need). We’re ripe and ready for the change from greedy selfishness to secular sharing. Naomi Klein came ever-so-close to calling this meltdown the progressive’s Pearl Harbor. What she said is, “This is a progressive moment: it’s ours to lose.”
# posted by Anonymous : 10:10 AM
“Bottom line: Six-to-ten months from now, Republican propagandists may be in a position to craft a false but persuasive narrative which pictures the Dubya years as the Good Old Days.”

Or was it something more? Did the Republicans throw this election away to an over confident DNC and to ‘the one’ with the biggest ego in the world.

I made the comments that follow over on another blog a few weeks ago. I will put it out there again for what it is worth. I have made a few changes and updates to my original post elsewhere.

I have been thinking for some time that the Republicans and Karl Rove just pulled a gigantic rope-a-dope on Democrats this year.

Start with Obama’s seed money even before the primary – largely from Republicans and lots of Bush Rangers. Also look at Donna Brazille’s chummy friendship and advice from Karl Rove this year. Look at the huge numbers of Republicans that crossed over and voted for him during the primary, some even in the general. (Although some of that was most likely moderate Repubs disenchanted with Bush as well.) And look at the number of Republicans who worked on Obama’s campaign. If you look all through his campaign there were Republicans always with the Obama team some where, some how.

I used to think it was just to defeat Hillary and nominate the weaker candidate. Now I think it may have been some thing more, something far more sinister. (And I am not into conspiricy stuff. Like I believe Oswald acted alone.)

I think Republicans knew this would be a tough year to win given Bush’s low approval rate. I also think they knew the economy was going to fall sooner rather than later. So did they throw it? Was McCain their sacrificial lamb?

And look also at how many Republicans sat home this year and did not vote at all. And where were those 527’s?

Lose this time round after ensuring the most egotistical, inexperienced, and unqualified Dem candidate was nominated and then just hammer him for two years because they know that the economy will not improve over the short run and they can gain seats and the Presidency when hope and change has failed and voters blame Obama and the Dems, as they will?

IF the Dems were smart and knew how to think STRATEGICALLY they would have let McCain win because no matter who was elected this time round, they were destined to be a one-term President. That was one of the chief reasons I voted for McCain. Then the Dems could step in with Hillary and win in 2012, as well as usher in 30+ years of Dem power.

I see 2008/2009 as analogous to 1929 when Hoover was elected. He too was destined to be a one-termer. And Hoover’s mistakes ushered in 30+ years of FDR and his legacy and his policies. Repubs have wanted to kill that for years. What better way than letting Obama be the NEW Hoover and the Repub candidate the new ‘FDR’ in 2012. A fox in sheeps clothing.

I can see Rove and the Republicans hatching a plan like this. On election night Kristol and Rove did not seem that upset. In fact, they had smirky little smiles playing around the corners of their mouths just like the cat that has just eaten the bird. When Obama’s policies make things worse, Repubs can come back and install a very conservative agenda and get rid of what’s left of FDR policies, thanks to the stupidity and egotism of Obama, Pelosi, Dean, et. al.

As I said, ROPE-A-DOPE.

bert in Ohio
# posted by Anonymous : 10:20 AM
Well said, Joseph. The only firms which may do very well in the next six months are the ones selling alcohol.

I am not sure the Republicans deliberately caused this disaster. (And I don’t think you are implying that they did, but please correct me if I am reading your post incorrectly.) They wanted to loot a lot of money (by passing hidden risks off to others without regulation) and would have loved to do so indefinitely. And Democrats did not help the situation by blocking regulation of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. But I do think some, like Karl Rove, foresaw a very bad time coming and decided to help advance the weakest, least experienced Democratic candidate in history, while sabotaging a Republican he dislikes and helping to defeat the Democratic Party’s best candidate in years, Senator Clinton.

He must be a very happy man.

Now most Republicans can’t put the country first and try to make it better, because then a Democratic President would get the credit. But I think the situation is even worse than they realized and maybe worse than they think it is, even now. I wonder how it will affect their personal finances.

djmm
# posted by djmm : 10:28 AM
On setting Obama up:

I said the same thing on Lion’s Share/PumaPac Radio when I was co-hosting it some weeks ago, and was pooh-poohed.

Adding to bert in ohio’ points:

- The USSC siding with the Dems on NOT checking the legitimacy of new voter registrations in Ohio;
- The judge dismissing Berg’s case on the grounds that it’s not the place of citizens to police the Constitution (true, but misleading – it’s the courts’ job, but citizens go to them);
- McCain not trying very hard to win (e.g. where were the devastating ads combining “I would do it again” Ayers with “God Damn America” Wright?);
- The mysterious way that Obama seemed to know *exactly* what McCain was going to say in the debates ahead of time;
- The Republican-owned MSM not turning on Obama after knocking out Hillary for certain (i.e sometime post-Convention;
- The subprime meltdown occurring almost exactly when Obama needed it (to within a few days).

I think the fact of the setup is pretty obvious, so – again on PUR – I moved to the why:

1) Blaiming Obama – and by association the Dems – for the mess, or;
2) Obama is easier is push around/manipulate/bribe/etc. than McCain, or;
3) Retaking Congress in 2010, then impeaching Obama for any or all of a number of things -campaign finance, caucus fraud, taking bribes, ineligibility for Pres., etc.

…or some combination of the three.

Sergei Rostov
# posted by Anonymous : 5:09 PM
Post a Comment

<< Home

The one person in the U.S. who has extra cash
I urge you to read this superbly-written post by Riverdaughter. One of her final points surprised me:

If Barack Obama’s campaign ended up with a surplus, why am I *still* getting email from Bill and Dorothea Rodham asking me to help pay off Hillary’s debts? This is inexcusable. Hillary Clinton worked her ass off for Barack Obama during the general. Pay off her damn debts, you fricking Simon Le Gree!
It is amazing to me that you will still find Cheetoheads who find fault with the way Hillary funded her campaign, and yet they feel perfectly fine about both the amount of money raised by Obama and the downright crooked way he raised it — through untraceable internet contributions and donors who repeatedly gave far more than allowed by law. If a Republican had funded his campaign in exactly the same way, how would the Kossacks have reacted?

By the way, here’s Campbell Brown refusing to criticize Jon Favreau for his behavior in that instantly-infamous photo. Instead, Campbell chooses to go after — you guessed it — Hillary Clinton.

Hey Campbell: Remember that heartburn you got last week? Clinton did that. And remember the dog poop you stepped in a month ago? Clinton was walking her pooch there. Good thing Hillary will be at State, where she cannot worsen the economic crisis that she single-handedly created or the Global Warming crisis she and her husband engineered with their Tesla weather control devices.

taggles you have email

donate that is

invalid
you have email

Donna Brazile.

taggles1 12.06.08 at 11:56 pm
Donna Brazile.
—————–
is this a request?

DancesWithPumas 12.06.08 at 11:58 pm

taggles1 12.06.08 at 11:56 pm
Donna Brazile.
—————–
is this a request?

—

it’s tourette’s syndrome

Karen if you are still in contact with woodie, i’d like her e-mail if possible

And I agree with the tone and tenor here. I have some very influential women who came to the sight after the KPFT show. They liked what they read and I am going to approach them in january to fund PUMA big time….but we need focus. This is neither an insult or a request, just a thought.

And personally I don’t think we fight that much — or disagree — considering what we have been through…

taggles you have email

Ok back i sent Miss Oprah a letter then i had to finish a download

atypical
who do you suggest?

night taggles

Night Taggles

Yep sounds great you really need to do it.Good idea and will hit the news for sure

sandipuma 12.06.08 at 9:15 pm

I would like to do one of women grabbing at Obamas pants crotch and telling him he is a whimp,and scared to tell the truth about where he was born and his citizenship because he has no balls

http://www.mwza.com/oprah-youtube-channel/

Here’s a head shot of Oprah

back in a bit…….

Obama’s Online Legions Get to Pick Their Next Role

more in Politics »By CHRISTOPHER RHOADES

More than a month after a millions-strong organization helped get Barack Obama elected president, the question remains what role that massive online force will play in actually governing.

The answer depends on the wishes of members of the grass-roots organization, said the campaign’s new-media team on Friday, in its first public appearance since the election.

“Whatever comes next will come from” the members, said Joe Rospars, who headed the new-media operations for the Obama campaign and now consults for the transition team, at a conference in New York.

Barack Obama
It’s far easier to rally around getting someone elected than the messier task of running a government, where once like-minded individuals can easily disagree. To help with that tricky next step, David Plouffe, the Obama-Biden campaign manager, on Thursday evening emailed the organization, estimated at 13 million strong, asking it to attend or host house parties across the country on Dec. 13 and 14. The goal, according to the email, is to get more input on what members would like to see happen — and no doubt to make it clear that the president-elect hasn’t forgotten them.

“Barack and Joe have a clear agenda and an unprecedented opportunity for change,” Mr. Plouffe wrote. “But they can’t do it alone. Will you join us at a house meeting and help plan the next steps for this movement?”

There are few, if any, precedents for a U.S. president coming into office with such an organization — what the new administration prefers to call a “movement.” Other presidents have won office with effective get-out-the-vote organizations, such as President George W. Bush, but those voters weren’t part of a well-organized, grass-roots group expecting to play a continuing role in the new government. In addition, the Obama organization depended greatly on its innovative use of new technology, including social-networking Web sites.

The transition team has given some hint of how it might incorporate the views of the public. On the transition team’s Web site, change.gov, the new administration hosted for several days an online discussion on health care, soliciting around 10,000 entries from users. Earlier this week, former Sen. Tom Daschle, appointed the new administration’s health czar, then responded in a short video.

“The administration is showing that listening is more important than talking,” said Andrew Rasiej, co-founder of TechPresident, a group studying the intersection of technology and politics. “This is a good first step in validating the public getting involved in their government.”

Those who have agreed to host the events in their homes will receive a DVD from the transition team with instructions on how to conduct the conversation. The events follow an email from Mr. Plouffe last month with a detailed survey asking about the recipients’ most important issues and their willingness to work on them.

For legal and privacy reasons, Mr. Obama probably could not use the list of names in the White House. What’s more, the volunteers signed up for a specific campaign, not to help run the government. That consideration also makes folding the list into the database of the Democratic National Committee undesirable.

Some volunteers aren’t waiting for any guidance from the new administration. Constance Squire, an Obama volunteer, has refocused her new organizing skills and relationships from the campaign toward intervening in the hundreds of home foreclosures near her Madison, Wis., home. Together with about a dozen volunteers, many of them Obama campaign veterans, the 38-year-old professor is locating the homes on a Google map and then organizing groups to protest the removal of the inhabitants.

“I realized it’s not very hard to get out there and effect change,” she said.

invalidresponse
I just read that hit piece of Campbell’s trashing Hillary. It seem she doesn’t get that BO is Hillary’s new boss and Hillary is a team player. Hillary hires for the state department and Obama hires for his own speech writing team. Campbell should be trashing Favraeu and Obama.

It’s time to echo what Murphy said in Denver:

Thanks, Hillary.
We’ll take it from here.

Sandipuma……please check your comment # 183 Thanks!

Some red meat for the PUMA kitty-cats–the photo is still on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=32167608&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=34012273446&aid=-1&id=44200308&oid=34012273446

Jon Favreau’s other gropees

http://www.flickr.com/photos/think_about_it/

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/oh-my-those-obama-speechwriters/

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/does-it-offend-you-now/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/SwanSpirit/Nancypukelosi.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/SwanSpirit/DontneedYou.jpg

Go read the comments on the Facebook photo–some are posting that it was not okay, but a lot others think it’s just fine.

What would it take to convince those people making the comments?

“pinky-dick”

Heh, Dances.

I like this version but think it needs one more touch: the Obama daughters watching their mom getting groped and asking, “Daddy…????”

Let’s see Obama maintain silence with public ridicule and exposure as to the fact he does NOT give a shit if his wife or daughters are groped, since, they, too, are merely female hunks of flesh to him and his fratboy staff.

mountain, youre right. I changed it to a nun.

Zee 12.07.08 at 12:53 am
“pinky-dick”
Heh, Dances.
—————–
Extending the pinky is the universal sigh for inadequate males

Thanks, invalid,
I’m following Hillary’s most excellent leadership…and Murphy’s.

But that’s how the world works. You don’t trash your boss, no matter what. Unless you’re ready to quit. And Hillary is no quitter. And you don’t tell him how to mind his business. Hillary’s got a lot of class and she’s handling this with finesse. She will be good at State Department.

Dances, 310…gee, and I always use the forefinger and thumb a centimeter apart.

Followed by the extended forefinger wilting downward.

Nijma 12.07.08 at 12:59 am
Double BINGO …give that player a prize…..and thanks for playing out game of…..FIRST YOU MUST RECOGNIZE IT BEFORE YOU CAN FIGHT IT!!!!

Your schtick is predictable, mountainsong. My words mean nothing compared to Obama’s lack thereof.

Obama is approving of the groping of his wife and daughters by allowing this date-rape jokester to remain as his head speechwriter. I didn’t make light of groping or hire a date-rape approving frat boy. That’s all on Jon and Barack, and yes, it is a slap in the face of Obama’s wife and little girls.

It’s too bad he feels they’re no better than hunks of female flesh, but unless he stands up for all women, he’s essentially approving future frat boys groping those little girls.

All on him.

NICE TRY, tho, at your usual faux outrage and trying to lay it on me.

Nitey-nite!

Nijma 12.07.08 at 12:59 am
Hillary’s got a lot of class and she’s handling this with finesse. She will be good at State Department.
=====================

Yep. She did the perfect thing for her — and we can do the low vulgar thing.

You think Obama’s family will be immune to the atmosphere of poison created by this crap…

BTW, the conflucians are getting ready to upload their photos to facebook…hee, hee

I’ve been to facebook a few times this week…no problems. PC

You’re right~~~your words mean nothing because YOU are nothing. Pffft!

“The message is that the speechwriter has very poor judgement and does not deserve any high powered job.”

#27 turndownobama…exactly.

Lost on some, obviously.

Still here…posturing? lol! What a surprise.

Too much fur on end. brb, when claws are back in paws.

Why keep supporting the same shit constantly? At some point you have to call a spade a spade. Goodnight!

I can’t believe the stupid jerk still has it up on facebook……

Zee
How’s the weather where you are?

Here’s Pelosi with her head back and her teeth clinched:
http://threeminds.organic.com/images/threeminds/2007/06/06/nancypelosi.jpg

Here’s Pelosi objecting:
http://josephmarhee.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/pelosihetchy.jpg

Similar:
http://www.notfallinginline.org/pelosinewdirection

Like the title says:
http://stuckon-stupid.com/images/democrats/PelosiGoosed.jpg

Pelosi is too easy!

D/S:
_______
BrianH 12.06.08 at 8:50 pm

vadaryl 12.06.08 at 12:29 pm

I got an idea. Obama is going to be on Meet the Press tomorrow. We need to get Tom B to ask Obama why he has not released his grades, medical records.
…//
=========
One of the things people haven’t much considered about medical record and school transcripts etc. is that they often contain information about the person’s citizenship, origins, etc. So if BO wants to continue the absolute blackout on his NBC status, he needs to keep those other records in the dark, too, no matter how innocuous they might be.

Griffin 12.06.08 at 2:13 pm

I will doubtless draw fire from some Hillary supporters for this, but I just sent her this message: So Favreau’s vicious simulation of a sexual assault on you, while his cohort forces alcohol down your throat, is “good-natured fun?” What’s good-natured or fun about it? Is that really what you want to tell women and girls? Is that really what you think? I used to think that you were a courageous woman, someone for my daughter to admire and emulate. No more. You stay silent when you should speak, and when you do speak, you say exactly what our male-dominated, women-hating culture wants to hear. Would you consider a similar depiction of Obama, except possibly featuring a noose around his neck, “good-natured fun?” Because what Favreau did is every bit as vicious and hateful and inexcusable as a racist photo would be. And what did you do? You excused it. I am so ashamed of you, if I had any tears left, I would sob like a broken-hearted child.//
======
Those who reject “blaming the victim” have a point, a big one, but the other side of the coin is the “role model” onus on prominent people, women included. “From those to whom much is given, much shall be expected.”

And … NOW … ta-da….
I thought of her first….
Taylor Marsh
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/1745_taylor1.jpg

Brian, we’ve been through all that, round and round. Finally we’ve settled down to sending our anger out to attack Obama and the jerk.

Confluence is doing some fun stuff with photoshops!

DancesWithPumas 12.07.08 at 12:58 am

Zee 12.07.08 at 12:53 am
“pinky-dick”
Heh, Dances.
—————–
Extending the pinky is the universal sigh for inadequate males//
=======
Do you (or other women) REALLY “sigh” for inadequate males? What is that a sign of?

I was checking to see if I could post … computer is acting up

Sorry, I am not sure if it ANTIFISH or BILLIEJO who made the suggestion … either way, it was a great idea.

Hillary will be blamed for something and be out in less than six months. The same people who were behind her getting bad press during the Primary are doing it again. The same people who ridiculed Sarah Palin are at it again.

Guess who is behind it? Team Obama using his speech writer who gives talking points and Axelrod. They send out the messages and the rumors.

This guy came up with “yes we can”. Shoot. How can we out do that? How about No you cannot. You cannot treat every woman with disregard. You cannot rape the economy and get away with it. You cannot make us a socialist nation. You cannot make us believe in you because you say we should. You cannot impose your beliefs on us because you want to take our money to make a name for yourself in world politics. You cannot take away our money, our homes, our economy and our rights. Sure we let it happen right before our eyes when we thought that good people were trying to do good things but now we know you are bad people doing very bad things and we will not support you.

ACORN is not good. MOVEON is not good. NOW is not good. HUFFINGTON POST is not good. SALON is not good. NYT is not good. Time is not good. NBC is not good. CBS is not good. Even the internet is not good thanks to google.

Too many people wnat to be at the top while holding down the rest of the world and I am sick of it. The evidence is all there. If they did not mean to be on the top and take down the rest then they would not be demeaning Hillary and Palin and every woman on this earth.

We have at tops, two years to get our money and get out. Or we can decide to stick in there and fight to make sure that there are the right kind of changes happening in the U.S.

Nijma 12.07.08 at 2:28 am

Where’s the “good-natured fun?” quote, Brain H and why hasn’t any one else seen it?

Why is everyone blaming Hillary for having her cardboard cutout groped? Falling into line behind the MSM Hillary haters, anyone?

And did anyone read the same arguments on the above thread?//
=========
Now just a goddamn minute here; skimming posts and shooting off at the lip can go too far. If you’re referring to #346, you will PULEEZE not that that’s a quote, and RTWG-DT. Those are NOT my words.

Hi PUMA’s,
Out all day & then on a date tonight. Can I still be a PUMA if I still go on dates, I don’t see a rule about that one! I would die without my PUMA friends.

Just finished reading all the posts and they were good, I like it when we have lively discussions on here even if we don’t all agree or see things exactly the same way.

It is almost 2 am so I’m going to bed.
((((PUMA’s!!!)))

And the officers of NOW
http://www.now.org/officers/officers.jpg

Kate Michaelman of NARAL who bashed Hillary about a debate:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/45000/images/_49654_kate.jpg

Mary Alice Carr
V.P. for Communications
NARAL Pro-Choice New York
http://futurechoices.net/imagesFC/castofcharacters/guests/carrma.jpg

Hey all. How is everyone doing.

Did you all see the William “Dollar Bill” Jefferson was defeated by Republican Cao. He will be the first vietnamiese serving in Congress. Congrats to him and the voters of New Orleans.

Republicans 3 Obam 0 since November 4th

KarenWI,
Still looking through my bookshelves but I will find the book. I felt a strong connection to you for some reason through these posts. What you said about books hit home. I would not have survived from about age 10 to 20 without them. I’ve often wanted to contact you off blog. If you want, my general e-mail is festival55@live .ca, I will give you my personal e-mail from that.
I’m staring to lose my sight because of glaucoma. Fortunately caught very early. I hope you do e-mail me but you can laugh picturing me shifting through over a thousand books to find one.

I finally will have a chance to catch up with all the PUMA’s today. Snow squalls and -17. I refuse to go out today.

HISTORICAL BREAKTHROUGH – PROOF: CHESTER ARTHUR CONCEALED HE WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT AT BIRTH
December 6, 2008 6:36 PM

[I have collaborated on this with my sister and historian Greg Dehler, author of "Chester Allan Arthur", Published by Nova Science Publishers, Incorporated, 2006 ISBN 1600210791, 9781600210792 192 pages. ]

I’ve been forwarded the actual naturalization record for William Arthur on microfiche, obtained from the Library of Congress. He was naturalized in New York State and became a United States citizen in August 1843.

Chester Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. President Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843. But Chester Arthur was born in 1829. Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life.

He wasn’t a “natural born citizen” and he knew it.

We’ve also uncovered many lies told by Chester Arthur to the press which kept this fact from public view when he ran for Vice President in 1880. Garfield won the election, became President in 1881, and was assassinated by a fanatical Chester Arthur supporter that same year.

How ironic that the allegations started by Arthur Hinman in his pamphlet entitled, “How A British Subject Became President”, have turned out to be true…but not for the reason Hinman suggested.

Hinman alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland or Canada as a British subject. It was bunk. It’s been definitively established that Chester Arthur was born in Vermont. But Hinman turns out to be correct anyway since Chester Arthur was a British citizen/subject by virtue of his father not having naturalized as a United States citizen until Chester Arthur was almost 14 years old.

That means Chester Arthur was a British subject at the time of his birth.

We’ve uncovered news clips exposing a thorough trail of lies, all of which served to obscure Chester Arthur’s true history of having been born as a British citizen.

Chester Arthur’s lies came during his Vice Presidential campaign in 1880. His fraudulent attempt to obfuscate family history provides context and evidence that in 1880 it was recognized that having been born as a British citizen would make one ineligible to be President or VP. His falsification of family history indicates he was aware of POTUS ineligibility.

HISTORICAL CONTEXT

Chester Arthur was in politics at the time of the 14th Amendment’s ratification. He was a lawyer and a politician while the 14th Amendment was being debated. It was ratified in 1867. In that same year Chester Arthur rose to become chairperson of the Executive Committee of the State Republican Committee. He would have been fully cognizant of the natural born citizen issue and that should he ever run for POTUS or VP, problems could arise.

He would have known that if anybody found out his father naturalized after he was born, he could never be President or Vice President.

CHESTER’S LIES

The definitive biography on Chester Arthur is “Gentleman Boss” by Thomas Reeves. It’s an exhaustive reference. Many of the blanks in Chester Arthur’s legend were filled in by this book which utilized interviews with family members and authentic documents like the Arthur family Bible. It was a necessary work since old Chester Arthur was a very wily protector of his strange history. He burned all of his papers. (See page 2365.)

“Gentleman Boss” establishes, on page 4, that Chester Arthur’s father William was born in Ireland, 1796, and emigrated to Canada in 1818 or 1819. His mother Malvina was born in Vermont and his parents eloped in Canada in 1821. They had their first child, Regina, in Dunham, Canada on March 8, 1822.

By no later than 1824, the Arthur family had moved to Burlington, Vermont. Their second child Jane was born there on March 14, 1824. Chester Arthur was their fifth child, and he was born on October 5, 1829. Reeves established these facts (and the correct date of Chester Arthur’s birth) from the Arthur family Bible.

From “Gentleman Boss”, page 202 and 203:

“…Hinman was hired, apparently by democrats, to explore rumors that Arthur had been born in a foreign country, was not a natural-born citizen of the United States, and was thus, by the Constitution, ineligible for the vice-presidency. By mid-August, Hinman was claiming that Arthur was born in Ireland and had been brought to the United States by his father when he was fourteen. Arthur denied the charge and said that his mother was a New Englander who had never left her native country — a statement every member of the Arthur family knew was untrue.”

Arthur’s mother had lived in Canada with her husband and even had her first child there.

In the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper, an article interviewing Chester Arthur about Hinman’s accusations was published on August 13, 1880. In that article, Chester Arthur defended himself as follows:

“My father, the late Rev. William Arthur, D.D., was of Scotch blood, and was a native of the North of Ireland. He came to this country when he was eighteen years of age, and resided here several years before he was married.”

This was another blatant lie. His father emigrated from Ireland to Canada at the age of 22 or 23. William Arthur didn’t come to the United States until sometime between March 1822 – when his first child was born in Dunham, Canada – and March 1824 – when his second child was born in Burlington, Vermont. The youngest he could have been when he came to Vermont was 26.

On August 16, 1880 Chester Arthur told the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper that at the time of his birth, his father was forty years old. Another blatant lie. His father would have been only thirty-three years old when Chester was born.

In that same article he lied that his father settled in Vermont and reiterated the lie that William came here at the age of eighteen. This age discrepancy was exposed in the August 19, 1880 edition of the Brooklyn Eagle in an article written by Hinman .

It was very convenient for Arthur that Hinman kept the focus on the extraordinary and false claim – that Arthur was born abroad – while the more subtle and true eligibility issue stayed hidden in plain site.

FATEFUL FACTS

I contacted Greg Dehler a few days ago after finding a reference in his Chester Arthur biography which said William Arthur became a citizen in 1843. I wrote to Greg and asked him about the reference. As fate would have it, Mr. Dehler, after checking his notes, wrote back to me to say that he got it from Thomas Reeves’ book, “Gentleman Boss”.

I went to the library the next day and devoured the Reeves book. But the reference to William’s naturalization was not there. Greg also knew I was interested in the Hinman scandal and pointed me to the Brooklyn Eagle search engine from the Brooklyn public library.

I began poking around and discovered a few of the lies mentioned above.

Earlier today I was telling my sister that this matter of Chester Arthur having falsified his parents’ personal history might lead to a very important revision of history. I suggested we put together an outline of a book as we might be able to prove that Chester Arthur was a fraudulent President and that would be quite a story. My sister thought I was jumping the gun a bit in that we really needed to define when William Arthur was naturalized before we could get excited.

About an hour later I received an email from Greg Dehler. I’ll let you read it:

Leo,

Needless to say I was more than a little embarrassed that you could not locate the reference in Reeves. I thought that was odd because my note concerning William Arthur was with the Reeves notes. I conducted a more thorough search and found the source. It was in the Chester A. Arthur Papers (what is left of them at least) at the LOC. I own the microfilm reels and made a copy for you which is attached. The Washington County Clerk in NYS dates it August 31, 1843. How does this affect Chet?

Greg

I almost fell off my chair when I downloaded the William Arthur naturalization PDF and was staring at the shifting sands of history.

Chester Arthur had something to hide.

He had all of his papers burned which was very odd for a President.

Arthur lied about his mother’s time in Canada. He lied about his father’s time in Canada. He lied about his father’s age plus where and when he got off the boat from Ireland. By obscuring his parents’ personal history he curtailed the possibility that anybody might discover he was born many years before his father had naturalized.

When Chester runs for VP, Hinman comes along essentially demanding to see Chester’s birth certificate to prove he was born in the United States. This causes a minor scandal easily thwarted by Chester, because Chester was born in Vermont…but at the same time, the fake scandal provides cover for the real scandal.

Is this the twilight zone?

William Arthur was not a naturalized citizen at the time of Chester Arthur’s birth, and therefore Chester Arthur was a British subject at birth and not eligible to be Vice President or President.

Chester Arthur lied about his father’s emigration to Canada and the time his mother spent there married to William. Some sixty years later, Chester lied about all of this and kept his candidacy on track. Back then it would have been virtually impossible to see through this, especially since Arthur’s father had died in 1875 and had been a United States citizen for thirty-two years.

And without knowledge of his father’s time in Canada, or the proper timeline of events, potential researchers in 1880 would have been hard pressed to even know where to start.

Reeves proved that Arthur changed his birth year from 1829 to 1830. I don’t know if that would have protected recorded information. It’s another lie. I just don’t know what it means.

Because Chester Arthur covered up his British citizenship, any precedent he might have set that the country has had a President born of an alien father is nullified completely as Chester Arthur was a usurper to the Presidency. He wouldn’t have been on the ticket if it was public knowledge. Nobody knew Arthur was a British subject because nobody looked in the right place for the truth.

And it’s no precedent to follow.

Leo C. Donofrio COPYRIGHT 2008

Re Woody and her cat… I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Woody isn’t either lurking permanent or left the group.

There are a LOT of people, good posters, good prowlers- who either left the group who became lurkers. Why? Because they opened their mouth with an opinion or thought or concern or plea and were “jumped”. I know what it’s like. I know that some in here don’t deem some things as “personal attacks” that the “attackee” thinks are personal attacks. Let me give you a little clue here… even on the board here, just reading words and not hearing the inflections, it’s not too difficult to tell when someone using a “f” word (or worse) aimed at you is having a friend-to-friend “hey I love you” time, and when they are doing a “personal attack”. When I post on the board (except for night before last when I poured out some of my history) it seems most of my posts land in one of 2 categories: they are either ignored, or I have someonone jumping down my throat in anger. It gets to the point where you almost wish the posts WERE ignored, because it really DOES get to be wearing after awhile when you hear “f” words and worse aimed at you in anger.

Someone posted here last night about how this group, if it’s going to survive and actually be a powerhouse, MUST be more accepting of others and their thoughts/beliefs. I agree. Think of all of the great posters and great prowlers who you no longer hear from. It is a VERY long list, and it’s going to keep getting longer if this is going to continue. I really like this group…. it means a lot to me. I don’t want to see it become nothing more than a “clique” of people who have to be of 100% like-minds. You see, it’s difficult to find many people who are going to agree with you on EVERYTHING 100%. That’s life. We’re all individuals.

Now, that being said I’ve said my say, and I have no more to say on that subject. So, if you “jump down my throat” about it, you aren’t going to hear a response from me on it- silence in this case doesn’t necessarily mean consent. It just means I don’t want to fight or argue about it. I’m tired of fighting with PUMAS. We need to fight with our enemies, not our friends. …and if the PUMAS are not our friends…. then why are we here????

“then why are we here????”

Political Action.

“2. the contact address listed on the website that was set up for fritzy is a computer shop not a residence.”

The address is a residential area. Woodie said he/she did computer tech work parttime. My own business address is the same as my residential address.

It can smell fishy without false assumptions.

GoPumaGo #373

Was that information taken from Donofrio’s website or someplace else? Either way, can you provide the link?

“…no one heard from woodie since.”

I heard from Woodie a week or more after the website was set up for cat contributions… he/she came on and accused me of plagiarizing his/her phrase:
“If you remember the 60s… you weren’t there.”
You know, the Robin Williams’ line from 1988.

DancesWithPumas 12.07.08 at 10:36 am

“…no one heard from woodie since.”

I heard from Woodie a week or more after the website was set up for cat contributions… he/she came on and accused me of plagiarizing his/her phrase:

–

ok then just ignore my posts, i do remember her coming here that night. I’ll remain suspicious simply because i’ve seen too many times on the internet where a person comes on with a sob story, collects the cash and is never seen again.

TrishfromCanada
Comment away. I agree with you. Jenn might know, since she was going to pay the balance for the treatment/surgery.
I friendly-advised her to pay the vet diretcly.

Mountainsong Two Spirit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berdache

Murphy – What the FEC?

You have mail. The attached file is kind of big so I hope it goes through. It is a draft of a final complaint to the FEC about BO’s bad money. It consists of a 2 page letter, a one page summary and 63 pages of details. Feel free to embelish on the letter.

The FEC would like you to send 2 copies and the original. That should come to about 200 pages and I think we should send them all by express mail. I will cover costs with a donation – let me know how much it costs you.

BO has been very bad.

Barack the schizophrenic, now and then off his meds:
http://www.ghostofaflea.com/archives/011266.html

This guy represents more minorities and special interest groups than I can keep track of!

:(

As pointed out in the article, reveals why he adamantly refuses to release his medical records.

Nijma 12.07.08 at 2:28 am

Where’s the “good-natured fun?” quote, Brain H and why hasn’t any one else seen it?

Why is everyone blaming Hillary for having her cardboard cutout groped? Falling into line behind the MSM Hillary haters, anyone?

And did anyone read the same arguments on the above thread?//
=========
($ &$#&#^^@&!!!!!!!
READ THE DAMN POST! (# 347) THE WHOLE TOP PART OF THE POSTING IS A CLEARLY ATTRIBUTED (Griffin) QUOTE!!! AND I CAN’T HELP WHAT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE DOES OR DOES NOT READ!

Obviously!!!

(CHICAGO)(December 8, 2008) Over four years ago I created the anti-Obama movement by disclosing that Barack Obama was lying about his religious heritage. I went on to publish the first questions about Barack Obama’s citizenship (and forced Obama to admit I was right) as well as making a continuing series of disclosures about the man. But I am increasingly concerned that the anti-Obama movement is passing into the hands of fast buck artists such as a corrupt Philadelphia lawyer, Philip Berg, and other con artists or profiteers who do not have any legitimate basis for their inflammatory accusations against Obama.

Con men make it difficult for honest columnists to present legitimate questions about Obama. There is no way I can compete with the litany of lies that is being marketed as “facts” and “law” to a deceived public.

Three basic points:

First, people have a constitutional right to dislike Obama. In our free society no one can tell us who to believe, and who to follow. Every American leader in recent history has also had his rabid opponents. There is nothing new about the militant anti-Obama partisans. Indeed, in a healthy democracy, skeptics keep politicians in line by exposing their lies and shining light on suspicious activity. In principle, I strongly support the anti-Obama movement, because I am one of those skeptics.

Second, Obama has been his own worst enemy in creating doubt and fanning speculation about himself. He is an unknown man. He has secreted his college records from occidental College. He has secreted his records from Columbia University, and he has secreted his records from Harvard Law School. What has oozed to the surface has linked Obama to the most unsavory and anti-American elements in our society. Bill Ayers, anyone? Khalid Al-Mansour, an anti-Semitic, anti-white Black nationalist, has been exposed as someone who raised money to finance Obama’s legal education. What?

Obama refuses to discuss an of these matters.

Obama posted a laser-printed abstract of his birth record on the Internet at FactCheck.org, and falsely portrayed this document as a “copy” of his “original birth certificate.” It was nothing of the sort. But Obama fooled a lot of people with his big lie. Why did he lie, and why did he falsely represent what he was posting? Good question. But by constantly and repeatedly lying, Obama has been the biggest source of suspicion concerning his birth and family history.

Third, the decline of mainstream media (MSM’s) has helped fuel crooks and paranoids on the Internet. Last month in Honolulu I began a nationwide series of “Conversations” about the future of Obama’s opponents. I was surprised by how little was known about Obama, even by his legitimate and sincere opponents. The MSM’s never did their job.

Last month I also exposed a Philadelphia con artist, Philip Berg, who has been issuing increasingly fraudulent claims and making increasingly irrational arguments against Obama. Berg claims to be a “Hillary Clinton supporter, when he is nothing of the sort.

Last week an advertisement ran in the Chicago Tribune challenging Obama’s qualifications for office. There were legitimate questions contained in that ad, as well as gross exaggerations and undocumented accusations. In my opinion, the ad would have been more powerful if it had stuck to the facts, and Obama’s lies, instead of creating a new round of deception and misrepresentation by his opponents.

Who is to separate the wheat from the chaff? Monday, three people who have filed lawsuits against Obama are holding a Washington, DC news conference. Readers and citizens should have a “contrarian” commentary on the three lawyers who are attacking Obama.

First, Philip Berg. As near as I can tell, Berg is a scam artist and nothing more. He filed a crackpot lawsuit to collect money and, one presumes, to put the money in his pocket. I spoke with Mr. Berg before he filed his lawsuit, and advised him his claims were injurious to Obamas legitimate opponents. Berg didn’t care. He just wanted to scream-and ask for money.

Berg filed a paranoid lawsuit in federal court and, as I told him it would be, the case was promptly tossed out. He then filed a notice of appeal to the Court of Appeals and, for good measure, asked the U.S. Supreme Court to cancel the 2008 election. I have lost track of Berg’s wild charges. A few days ago I heard from a woman in Florida who made the paranoid claim that Berg has provided “secret evidence” to the Supreme Court. Yah, sure. People will believe anything. What was her source for the claim about Berg? Directly or indirectly, no doubt Berg himself.

The irony in Berg’s lawsuit and the two which I discuss below is that they are pinning their hopes on Justices Thomas and Scalia. These two judges have done more than anyone else to close down and lock out citizen participation in the judicial system. So are we to assume that judges who have been locking the courthouse doors by issuing restrictive interpretations of “standing to sue” are now suddenly going to reverse themselves and reject the pronouncements of their entire judicial careers? Could happen, of course. But highly unlikely.

Second, there is a lawyer from New Jersey named Leo Donofrio. No one had ever heard of Mr. Donofrio before he popped up and also demanded to stop the 2008 election. Unlike Berg, Donofrio followed the correct legal highway, by petitioning state officials, and then working his way up through the state courts, before filing with the U. S. Supreme Court. There is no question that procedurally, Donofrio has followed the correct path.

But do Donofrio’s claims make sense? Donofrio claims Senator John McCain is not “natural born” because his father was serving in the military when the senator was born. That claim is complete nonsense. Donofrio makes a similar accusation against Obama. If Donofrio had some track record of being either a legal scholar or an recognized advocate, I would look more deeply at his claims. But Donofrio has no track record as an attorney at all. Would you listen to a “surgeon” who was making radical new surgical claims if he had no record of any medical accomplishments? Not many people would.

Finally, there is Alan Keyes and his lawyers in California. I am not an admirer of Alan Keyes. He is a charlatan and huckster who carpet bagged in Illinois and appealed to some right-wing morons in the local Republican Party. Keyes helped elect Barack Obama to the Senate in 2004. In the process, Keyes administered a blow to Illinois Republicans from which they have not yet recovered. “The rest is history.”

But, amazingly, Keyes has the best case of the “DC threesome.” Keyes’ name was on the ballot last month. Undoubtedly he has standing to challenge Obama. Unlike Berg and Donofrio, who are representing themselves, Keyes actually has an independent lawyer who is therefore responsible for filing a meritorious claim at the risk of his own career.

I don’t know a thing about California law, where Keyes’ case was filed, but he is certainly following the outline I presented on a talk radio program last month: people could challenge Obama’s election at state election agencies and thereafter in state courts. Keyes has apparently gone to court on a proper basis. His petition seems to be the most valid, and the most rational, of the three that that are popping up at the Washington news conference on Monday.

But Keyes is also a political profiteer. He uses his political activism to run a very lucrative business. Keyes is not a Republican and he is not even a politician. Rather he uses the political grandstand to merchandise his views for profit, and he makes a very good living at it. It’s a free country, and his activity appears to be legal. So if people who agree with him want to financially support him, that is their right and privilege.

The level of paranoia that these cases are spawning, however, is exploding beyond reason. I spoke to a woman last week who seemed rational. By Friday she was accusing me of hurting Obama’s opponents by telling the truth about them. She was not the first person who told me I should accept lies if they were being spread for a good cause, namely opposition to Obama. I refuse to do so.

Are there questions about Obama’s birth certificate? Indeed there are. I have filed my own lawsuit in the state courts in Hawai’i, the only courts that actually have jurisdiction over Obama’s document, to release the certificate. On October 31st I prompted a big lie from Hawai’i officials: Chiyome Fukino issued a statement on her official state letterhead stating that she had “personally seen and verified…has Senator Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

What do those weasel words mean? She could have an “original birth certificate” confirming he was born in Kenya, as the extremists want to believe. And why is she covering up the original document? The birth certificate is no longer a private document; it is a part of American history. Whether you love or hate Obama, he is now a part of our history, a big part. I have asked the Hawai’i judge in my case not to insult the intelligence of the American people by falsely claming he is protecting Obama’s “privacy.” That’s nonsense.

Interestingly, however, I am the only investigator who has actually filed a lawsuit seeking access in the proper state under the proper court procedures seeking the proper material. That does not guarantee me a win, but it makes my lawsuit in Hawai’i a serious one, in comparison with Berg’s frivolous claims in federal court. Why is no one else seeking the truth in Hawai’i? Maybe they would prefer to peddle their lies. Lies seem to be more profitable. And cheaper to produce.

The latest “lie” is that there is “evidence” that Obama was born in Kenya. If I had a shred of credible evidence that Obama was actually born in Kenya, I would jump on it. And, do you know what? Bad as they are, even the MSM’s would be all over the story. That claim first crossed my desk last spring. But there is not a shred of credible evidence that Obama was born in Kenya.

Over the past few months there has been a bogus operation called the African Press International that has been peddling lies and exaggerations about Obama and-no surprise-they are linked to Philip Berg. http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/michelle-obama-african-press-update.html

Berg was also the originator of the plan to bombard the Supreme Court with letters. I don’t know how many have been sent, but they would never be helpful to a litigant with a legitimate claim.

People who are not lawyers often misunderstand the “right to petition” clause of the First Amendment. The “right to petition” is not an unlimited right to do what you want where you want with any and all public officials. You can’t just barge into the White House and “petition” the president. Likewise, over the past 200 years Courts have developed procedures for petitioning them. Sending letters to judges is not one of them. Once again, the purveyors of paranoia are misleading the public, by falsely claiming that the “right to petition” allows them to harass judges. It does not.

Over the past four years I have made serious charges or accusations against Obama. They have all proven to be factually accurate. And where my opinions have changed after more research and investigation, I have openly acknowledged that fact. Rather than trying to excite people with lies, I have tried to do exactly the opposite: present the truth so we can have an informed debate on Obama’s limitations and weaknesses.

But in the case of Obama I have constantly been told that lying is the right approach when the truth is not available or inconvenient. The ends justify the means when you are against Obama. I disagree. Berg doesn’t care about truth, facts or credibility. He is using lies as a fund raising mechanism, to exploit the anti-Obama element that is as rabidly and blindly anti-Obama as the “Obamabots” are pro-Obama. I do care about the facts and truth.

Finally, an article in today’s Chicago Tribune helps explain why the Internet has become such a forum for the delivery of misinformation. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama-birth-certificate1dec08,0,7258812.story

As MSM’s have declined, and news organizations have been striped of their resources, hucksters have moved in to sell paranoia and disinformation at a profit. Jerome Corsi followed me to Honolulu, and falsely claimed the Governor had “sealed” Obama’s birth records. He never corrected his story when the Governor denied his claims. The truth was expendable. He did nothing to challenged the Governor’s rebuttal. He just went on to new claims.

Likewise, WorldNetDaily.com has published writers who have been both sources of accurate information about Obama and also provided gibberish masquerading as “constitutional” analysis. Junk sells. People who hate Obama will believe anything, and pay for the privilege of being deceived.

I would love to believe Obama was born in Kenya. Yes I would. And if anyone can show me any evidence of that fact, I will look at it seriously. But the “caller” I spoke with last week now claims she has the exact time when Obama was born in Mombassa. She has become unhinged because of her irrational hatred for Obama. She also believes Obama’s “grandmother,” who supposedly claims she was present when Obama was born. Sadly, the old woman who was originally but falsely portrayed as “granny” by Obama himself (shooting himself in the foot, again) is probably senile and is not his grandmother at all. She was not his father’s mother, period. But Obama managed to fool the Chicago Sun-Times. That paper falsely labeled her as “granny” on its web site for months.

Maybe Obama is reaping what he sows: he lies to the public, and his lies boomerang on him when they are exposed and fuel new speculation. But at the end of the day, even Obama’s lies have to yield to the facts and the truth. And the fact and truth is that his “granny” is not his granny, and the possibility she was present at his birth is remote to nonexistent. Obama exploited a senile old woman for his own disinformation purposes, and now his opponents are doing the same.

Maybe Obama and his paranoid protesters deserve each other.

Where do we go from here? First, let me make an obvious observation. Politicians are given a very wide berth in our political system. From Senator Joe McCarthy, who falsely claimed he had a list of “200 communists” in his pocket, down to the present, politicians and political activists have unfortunately used and abused free speech with exaggerations and disinformation. Obama himself is a master of disinformation and misrepresentation. The constitution protects these exaggerations.

But misusing the courts is entirely a different matter. As I told Phil Berg in August, no one has a right to file a false pleading in a federal court and claim “I saw it on the Internet.” Courts want documentation, not hyperventilation, for arguments presented to a judge. Courts are not a political forum, even if some judges abuse their powers. Courts are not a place for liars, incompetents and con men. That is why Berg and Donofrio are likely to lose, and likely to disappoint their supporters, who will no doubt immediately spawn a new round of “rumors” and fabrications about the “real” basis for their defeat.

Almost every day I get e-mails talking about “rumors” about what is happening at the Court. Rumors from whom? You get the picture.

Secondly, I will continue to strive and search for the truth. I have often said I follow the fictional Sergeant Joe Friday, “Just the facts, ma’am.” The facts may not be easy to get to, and judges may rule against you. But that is no reason to fabricate “facts,” and I refuse to do so.

In addition, as any honest and experienced lawyer knows, in a court of law if you mix lies in with the truth, the lies will undermine the truth and destroy your case. Lawyers who file fantasies in court seldom win, and they often do damage to the very causes and clients they claim to be supporting.

The fact is, Obama has been the source of a great many lies, and he refuses to tell the truth. Why? But, on the other hand, how could sensible people vote for someone like that? These are legitimate issues. But just because they are legitimate issues does not mean they can be fashioned into legitimate lawsuits.

Finally, blame the MSM’s, and blame them legitimately. But, at the end of the day, we still need to confront and attack Obama on his lies, and not create and concoct our own lies to fight back.

By all means, feel free to ask me to attack and expose Obama. I delight in doing so. But please don’t ask me to lie about him. I won’t do it.