The Three Musketeers?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SScacGO4EmI/AAAAAAAABnY/NbOESTPIwXY/s1600-h/Hillary+Thumbs+Up.jpg

Great Picture of Hillary.

What will she look like when she is picked as President. Hard to be more happy then this.

Hillary will have incredible power and Obama will pose for the Presidential portrait. He will be in so over his head, that they will be delivering cigarettes by the tractortrailer full to the WH. Any cabinet secretary that says, don’t worry dear I can take care of that, will have all the power they want. I, however, still wanted her to pose for the presidential portrait.

Done deals, back room talks, criss cross, conspiracy…

my grandmother, and judge judy, always said that when it don’t make sense someone is lying AND you don’t lie down with dogs unless you want fleas…

only person scammed is every US citizen and I am furious

whole thing is embarassment, and I am just so fucking thankful I voted for John and Sarah and I called Hillary out on the floor months ago

whole things stinks to high heaven, and ain’t no one gonna look good but THAT ONE and only to those monkeys with their eyes, mouths and ears covered.

Good Morning –

Here is the plan as I hope to see it.

BO becomes Pres.
After a few months, is found ineligable, has to step down.

Biden becomes Pres. – Picks Hillary as VP.

Biden resigns – illness.

Hillary becomes President.

How bout that!!

This is for Jenni and NOP and all pumas who are having trouble finding some peace with Hillary as possible SOS .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQNpEET9WqQ

Can anyone remember back to the other presidential elections and tell me if any of the other election winners did a saturday radio broadcast BEFORE even the electoral college ratified their win?

For everyone who is interested in the birth certificate sage:
This is way too long to put on the board… PLEASE…. click here. First read the #1 comment (which is by the one posting the article), then click on “original article” for the story itself. Totally new stuff here on the “comment #1″:
http://lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=437122

Today is Nov. 22 …..

JFK , Rest in Peace .

I wasn’t alive then , but if you were , where were you and how did you feel when you heard that JFK was assisinated in Dallas on this date 45 years ago ?
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I was in college my freshman year, I was drying my hair. The halls were filled with crying and wondering why.

Wasn’t born either when JFK was shot but my mom says it is something she will never forget she was shopping with her grandmother and they answered it over the loud speaker at the store and everyone started crying and screaming,(we have talked about it in the past).

I was in junior high . . english class. An announcement came over the loudspeaker, and we were all released to go home. I remember watching it unfold on t.v. the hearse, the tears, . . .At that age, I didn’t know what to feel or think. I loved him, and felt so sorry for his children.

It didn’t impact me quite the SAME way, but I will never forget, Hillary’s “concession”? speech at the end of the primaries, either.

I felt a death that day, too, and sobbed as she spoke.

I remember the day JFK was killed.
Remember Walter Cronkite making the announcement – Walter cried.

Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him?

#10 Texas Tigress

God! Please take that down. No one needs that right now and it’s enough to make someone already really down contemplate cutting their wrists.

CyberFerret
yeep.

CyberFerret52 sorry – I guess it is a sad video . I love that version of the song , “Let it Be”

Murphy , when you get back please take down the sad video on #10

Didn’t mean to make anyone upset .

I was in grade school when JFK was shot. I was just coming in, and getting my stuff out of my locker when a couple classmates came up to tell me that “the president was shot!” Well, back then I was a bit of a Civil War buff, and had just finished reading one of my many books about Lincoln, and immediately thought they were talking about Lincoln. It didn’t dawn on me that it was our CURRENT president who had been shot until I got into the classroom and saw everyone so still and quiet. All classes were suspended and they played on-going radio broadcasts (this was before the day of the internet, and tv’s only had 2 channels here, and were in black and white, no color). When they announced he was dead they played the national anthem on the radio and everyone was sobbing in the classroom. I remember when Oswald was shot we were in church. Dad left to go home to get something, and when he came back in he leaned over to whisper that Oswald had been shot. They replayed the tape of that over and over and over the next few days too…. In a way that week was a lot like what this country felt like and went through at 9/11. The same kinds of horror, shock,mourning, and unbelief.

Everyone…. while JFK’s death was tragic,and to be observed, we have a limited time here regarding Obama. PLEASE read my post #14 and the link if you don’t want BO as POTUS.

Here is also a petition asking for the birth certificate, hosed by World Net Daily, if you’re interested:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550

murphy 11.22.08 at 8:36 am
Wontbackdown, check out this article from Alegre. Good stuff to get you started on S.T.F.U.

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Yep Murphy! Finishing up something.

Murphy:

Yesterday I spoke with both of my Directors (Of our non-profit Org regarding Sexual Abuse)

I will be emailing you this evening to provide some information on how powerful we see this issue can be.

One of my Director’s is male – I wish you could have heard his reaction to the issue. It was profound! We have worked with one another on issues of Sexual Abuse for several years. By the end of our hour-long conversation, we were both moved beyond belief as to what had just occurred in our discussion.

It was beautiful – at first he was very offended (by the mere thought of reversing the focus onto MEN. But then, the paradigm shift came – relatively quickly. It was amazing to be a part of his journey through that moment. We talked through centuries – even primal stuff.

The other came here to read the thread and was super-charged over the possibilities.

It’s all good!

Texas Tigress #11 – When I saw today’s date at 5:30 am this morning the first thing I thought of was that date. I remember it well.

I was at work and a co-worker had his radio on and told me he just heard JFK was shot. We told him not to joke like that. He said I’m not. The look on his face told me he wasn’t joking. The whole office gathered around the radio. Our world had stopped. Then we got word JFK had died. We were stunned, then started crying. It seemed like the whole country cried. Right now as I’m typing this, I’m starting to cry again. The country loved him. It felt like someone in the family had died.

I saw him three times in person. Twice when he was running for President (I climbed 18 flights in a hotel because the elevator was full) and the next day he drove by my school (I was 17 and a Young Citizen for Kennedy) I was 5 feet away from him. He was not only experienced, brilliant and a war hero, he was also gorgeous. Much, much better looking in person. He looked like a movie star.

The last time I saw him was a month before he was killed. He drove past our main street on his way to “the” hotel to campaign for some candidates. He was in a convertible, 3 feet away from my mother and I. My mother waved and said “Hiya.” He mimicked back to her “Hiya!”

If he had lived, I believe there would have been no full-blown Vietnam War. At the time he died, we did have troops over there, but it wasn’t a full-scale war yet. I believe he would have seen it was useless and pulled the troops out before it escalated.

JFK was a big man and wasn’t afraid to admit when he was wrong. What a loss. What might have been. May he rest in peace.

Directors

KarenWI #36 – I posted the WRIF radio show link with the Kenyan Ambassador yesterday, I guess nobody noticed it.

TERRYDO-Previous thread
Thanks for the low down on Dick Morris-always wondered why he turned on her.
My Republican husband thinks she’s just doing her duty on behest of the Pres-Elect. I told him I DON’T THINK SO! She could have telegraphed or told him privately she wasn’t interested in it. She wants it for a reason, she probably wants to get ahead of the Judas’s in the Congress. SHE can also resign of her own free will if he ticks her off. (I’d love that, btw.) I’m just afraid of how far she’ll go to support his reckless foreign policy. She went further than anyone could imagine in supporting his campaign! Holy h—!
Wait and see? No,I’m looking around for another option to stand up to Obambi, as someone called him here.

Kennedy:

I was walking in line to on the blacktop of the schoolyard, going to the gymnasium. Looked over and saw our gym teacher, her face pressed to gym wall, crying uncontrollably.

The line of older kids coming out of the gym were whispering the news to us as they were passing by our line that “President Kennedy had been killed and that we were all going to be sent home to be with our families.”

(I was also watching the television the moment Oswald was shot with several adults – who all jumped up and shouted “Someone shot him!” They shot him!”)

I hated both of those days – I now think they pretty much ended my interest in television, for the most part. It’s why I have never had cable – “BREAKING NEWS” is always really “BREAKING SOME REALLY BAD NEWS!”

KarenWI WOW I just listened to that tape.. I am speechless this has got to be sent out everywhere if we can prove it wasn’t a joke!

Obama is paying back everyone, period. Now, we have two western governors that will be leaving their offices to go to washington, I see Richardson finally got his break he was looking for. What a smoozer. Whether any of these, including HIllary are experienced enough in these fields remains to be seen just like what Obama’s presidency will be like remains to be seen.

Murphy,
I ‘ve been traveling on business and just now have a chance to check in here. This current post is terrific, particularly the reference to Kruschev’s shoe-banging. I myself don’t see the situation with regard to the SoS position exactly as Marc at Tom in Paine does (I have two posts up about how I see it. I see it as more about gender (surprise, surprised) and how atrophied the Senate is.

I’m delighted to see that you have set a fundraising goal – I bet PUMApac has some debt to discharge given the costs related to Denver, and you were so generous in sending donors to Democrats for Principle Before Party/The Denver Group – so I will be contributing as soon as I submit this and I will be encouraging others to do so too. If there is no debt, then at least we are creating seed money for your next steps.

Because I think my name takes people to the old home of Heidi Li’s Potpourri, here is a link to where the two posts I mentioned above can be found. They are the two most recent entries.
http://tdg.typepad.com/heidi_lis_potpourri/

Finally, the site is looking terrific – like the addition of the news articles to read…

they hacked my email ——–> sugefa@188.com
given H33l !!!!!!!!!
make wish they had never done it

that email…. did

PROWLLAND and GOOFSMOM -
You both were asking about the following – Native Girl made a post regarding it – I don’t think either of you saw it – think you might want it: Reposted for you

nativegirl 11.21.08 at 3:12 pm

prowlland

Is this what you are looking for? I have not listen to it all… but I
found this link to the debates. And the video is on the link.

http://www.keyesarchives.com/play.php?video=7

prowland…What were you in that put in that “bug” to send all those emails out?

Frodo
no… its a side view from Keyes side with Obama in the background.. its ok .. they got better evidence,,, cross your fingers people… this is goooooooooooooood… can’t elaberate right now….

KarenWI
I dont know it happen during the Hurricane ,, when i wasn’t even able to get on my pc…

normapapuma post #14

hello is anybody here or did everyone leave?????

Thanks Sly2
HEIDI LI
Please note!
I just donated $20.00 to take advantage of your offer!

Confirmation number: 99J24262NT600363W

I donate very little, but will be doing it more often now that we have goals and all…

Ok, 85 dollars in so far toward the $150 match – If you have five bucks even, donate to PUMA Pac now so she can get the full match from me.

TexasTigress 11.22.08 at 9:41 am

I was 20 years old, living in a hotel in Hollywood. When I got up and went downstairs, the entire lobby was packed with people and the silence was eerie. Everyone was glued to the TV. Out on the street was complete silence. The only time I know of that Tinseltown had no cars or people on the street. Just silence. The sadness in the air was palpable and soon all we heard was keening and wailing. Something had happened in the world that just shouldn’t have. Like now.
Back then we witnessed the murder of a president. Now we are witnessing the murder of the whole country.
What a price to pay for a “black” president. And one that’s a sheer idiot to boot.

Eventually, I hope to help Murphy develop the financial foundation for bigger Puma projects – I can’t fund the initiatives alone, but I vowed that I would use the fundraising skills and resources I learned from this election cycle to support work toward resolution of the misogyny/sexism and corruption of political process that we witnessed.

Heidi Li 11.22.08 at 11:43 am
Eventually, I hope to help Murphy develop the financial foundation for bigger Puma projects – I can’t fund the initiatives alone, but I vowed that I would use the fundraising skills and resources I learned from this election cycle to support work toward resolution of the misogyny/sexism and corruption of political process that we witnessed.
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Excellent! Thank you!!

lilibet 11.22.08 at 11:20 am

Yes, that’s true. A friend in Hollywood tried to commit suicide and was almost successful. About a week or so out of the hospital, his 2nd attempt succeeded. He just didn’t want to live in a world where such things happened. I felt almost the same way when BO was stealing the nomination.

KarenWI email me
name@gmail.com

slyt2
I knew they couldn’t keep this low key….lmao

Heidi Li 11.22.08 at 11:23 am

Repost.
REPOST and Tally watch:
85 dollars in – 65 dollars to go! Just over an hour to go. I’ve left word at the Confluence.

Heidi Li 11.22.08 at 11:06 am

An idea:
I was going to donate $50 to Puma Pac – but I will donate $150 if people donate $150 collectively in the next 2 hours (it is 11 am where I am). Post receipts on this thread and I will come back and see if the tally hits $150.

Here’s a link right to audio… the story that I posted the link to on post #14 is new news about the b.c. too…. but this audio will blow your mind, starting about 10 minutes into it!
http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

Can anyone even begin to imagine the impact on the country and the world, for that matter, if Obama suddenly WAS disqualified? It would be utter chaos.
Which is why I really don’t think it can happen.

prowlland oh crap I see what you are talking about I didn’t even think about that shit shit shit.

Oh and of course…Letting It Be…never ever precludes saying or acknowledging that the be that is let is worth a crap! Lest anyone here imagine that I have concurred in anyway with the move. I have to let it be because I can not do anything about it, except watch, think and, comment,as I certainly will, as this obscene event and others will move forward in our world!

Crap gotta go for a bit bbl… take care

TexasTigress 11.22.08 at 9:36 am #10

Thank You!

Goofmom you have mail

I was in Boston this summer and went to the JFK Library. The last thing that you see is Bill Clinton, on video, talking about his meeting JFK as a young man. No BO bullshit anywhere. Bill carried that legacy.

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hillary2008- what the obots are upset because of all the clinton-connected appointments? Is that it?

I wasn’t born when JFK died but my parents have a magazine that was dedicated to his family, his life and death. It is the original Times magazine (I believe it was that magazine). When we were kids we would read it every year on the anniversary of his death.

Andy Martin’s lawsuit to get Obama’s b.c. is denied:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081121/NEWS20/811210355/1001/localnewsfront

Regarding Nov. 22, 1963: I was 17 years old, a freshman in college at the University of Dallas, a Catholic liberal arts University in Irving, right outside the city of Dallas.
I was about to go to a class and someone said to turn on the TV..there sitting on the floor with others looking up at the TV, I heard what had happened..and with all others of course begin to cry and to pray..for him…Then Walter Conkrite came on and Istll see him taking off his glasses and saying that JFK was dead and noting the time on the clock. From that moment through the next was it who knows a week or more I never left the tv except to go to the bathroom and to make some kind of weird something to eat..a piece of bread and whatever as did so many of us…We did not sleep for days..numbness, grief, trauma, and no sleep mixed with the horrific pain within and among all bound together all of us as it did every person in this country.
My parents and some relatives had had plans to visit me for Thanksgiving, which was not that far away. I called..and of course they were in the same condition we all were..
I remember drinking non stop glasses of instant iced tea, which I hated…the instant kind, but it was quick…and so that also wired me more or whatever…it did…
I still feel on this day every year the deep abiding pain of having this lovely, brillant, flawed but I believe, essentialy good leader taken from us, from me…and know that of the three remainging then, he was, ever was the best of them. May he, ever be remembered in the best of hearts by story and telling and to all who read this here or elsewwhere,never ever mistake the real human heroic heart for the fascade, the imitation, the fake, the empty..Never, ever mistake what is before us in ths country as the President elect as having a miniscule resembleance to that heoroic soul.
Alynsky was no Kennedy. And neither is his minion, Ojingo.

KarenWI

Oh yeah, The obots that I know are furious with these appts.. Remember, BO trashed the Clintons and now can’t do a thing without them. They feel betrayed, believe me this is only the beginning.

I was in 4th grade when Kennedy was killed. The principal came and took Mrs. Powell, my teacher, outside and talked to her in the hallway. She came in, stood for a few minutes in front of the class with a strange look on her face. Then she said in a voice that sounded really strange “President Kennedy has been killed.” Then she sat down at her desk and stared blankly at us for a while. Thinking back, the whole class just sat there stunned, and quiet. It wasn’t long before the busses started arriving to take us home. They had cancelled school for the rest of the day.

For months we all talked about it. People compared him to Lincoln. The new president, Johnson, rose to the occasion over and over again as the days wore on.

I know now that Kennedy was the president of my parent’s dreams. He was young and vibrant with children just like them. He was a WWII vet just like my dad. He was one of them and theirs. The new era was stopped in its infancy, and an older man became president. He constantly paid homage to Kennedy.

I found out years later that Johnson and Kennedy had some really contentious differences. Kennedy was in favor of civil rights reform, a little. But Johnson was the real reformer. I wonder now if the reforms Johnson pushed would have taken place had Kennedy remained alive. The era would have probably been a lot less intense in the measures to give everyone an education, to feed the hungry and house the poor. Kennedy was a great speaker, and was something of a reformer, but Johnson delivered a new beginning in many things, oft times calling upon Kennedy’s name to get them passed.

It is strange how the focus of things change once time has gone by.

If 5 people donate ten bucks, the match will be met!

I support Hillary as SOS. A very smart, good move on her part. She shouldn’t stay in the Senate and be part of the Dems that did not support her. Of course, I wish she was our next President but the Democratic Party made sure that didn’t happen. She will do an outstanding job and her service will be good for America and the world!

Heidi, I just tried to donate 25$ but the paypal would not accept my card… it was recently replaced, but works elsewhere… so I need to call the issuer.

Please put me in @ 25$ while I straighten this out!

mountainsong

You got that right. Money is as money does. It was always about the power, not the people. These fools think BO will pay their mortgages and gas bills. I actually heard a woman say that either here or on television. We are the ones, before we knew each other, who knew that he was a fraud.

Here Heidi, I got another card that works…

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DeadGirl 11.22.08 at 12:47 pm I’m noting your 25 dollars but I’m treating it as a bonus contribution. When you can complete it I’ll match it. Meanwhile, let’s see if we can raise $55 in the next 15 minutes.

#118Heneri: I think your reflective post in its analysis is accurate and correct..in every way. Thank you for your always fertile, thoughts.

#129Hilary2008: I don;t agree but am in no mood to talk about it…don’t mean to sound or be unfair…I am practicing …
Let it be!!!

10$ more anyone??? GO PUMA!!!

I am a member of AA and have stepped up my meetings since the election. Afterwards, some of us go out for coffee. Anyone who knows anything about addiction, knows abot denial. My AA friends see BO as the drug and the kool-aid as the drug of choice for these lost souls. It is funny because these are not all Hillary people, not really even political, just looking at it from a different experience. They truly see the obots as not sober, not living in the real world. Funny

(((DANCES)))

You took it over the top… Yea!!!!

obot denial, oops I mean about denial…freudian slip

Dances, was that not your second contribution to the match?

LOL Dances, SURE THING!!!

Nawlin’s Dawlin, You taking care of yourself M’Dear???

I put in $10 just before the hour.

#110TrishfromCanada: What an excellent method your parents took to teach their children respect and reverance for history, the importance of the people in it, and the memory of it…No wonder you grew up with such a fine vista upon reality, as I have seen it manifest here! Salute to your
mama and daddy…and to you..
Could that magazine have been Life? It was a large format one;largern size that Time, and I also have a copy of it…Of course many magazines did that but Life, the preeminient last print photojournalistim magazine did it the best in picuters, and text because that was what they were about!

#152Dances: Bye bye for a little while..do not get lost! Come back soon!

Make a contribution to spite John Kerry, who is I assure you, gnashing his teeth over the SoS situation!

Hey..Heidi Li…that’s me..I know that is from Dances..for me as one of those..so match, please my contribution given on my behalf be Dances as it is not Dances…
Heidi Li..you don’t know me…it is ok…it ireally is Da truth…! New Orleans style which is ironic but accurate!

Thank you Dances…Kisses…and Hugs…and eggs Sardou to you!

NewOrleansPuma 11.22.08 at 1:13 pm
I recognize you from the threads here, and I know EXACTLY what you mean.

Some of my so-called co-workers believe that the fact that I am worried about a Nobama administration and the effects it will have on Israel and Middle East is silly. Everyone knows that it “is in America’s best interests to be allied with Israel”.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/scowcroft_was_advising_obama_t.html

Scowcroft was advising Obama, too — not just Brzezinski
Ed Lasky
That fact was kept under wraps..until after the election. Scowcroft, along with Zbigniew Brzezinski (who also advised Barack Obama on foreign policy issues) have a long problematic record toward Israel and the American-Israel relationship. When problems arose during the campaign, Obama’s campaign responded that Brzezinski did not advise Obama on Middle East issues involving Israel.

Now that Barack Obama won the election, the first op-ed in the the politically influential Washington Post written by Brzezinski and Scowcroft, involves one nation-Israel.

Sign the petition – ad two dollars to the tally which is now at 172 dollars and if it hits $180, PumaPac gets $200 – not just $150. (And then I go sell something on Ebay (smile)).
PETTION IS HERE:
http://womencount.org/its_our_time

At 1:30 I really am stopping because I have to go to work, but I am sure there are at least 9 PUMAs who have not signed the WomenCount petition for a Presidential Commission on Women yet: http://womencount.org/its_our_time

I’ve written about the WomenCount petition drive at Heidi Li’s Potpourri and I’m going to write more about the significance of such a commission.
One of the key organizers is a Clinton delegate who was part of the HRC 300 movement which helped ensure that Senator Clinton’s name was put into nomination.

NewOrleansPuma 11.22.08 at 1:24 pm
I understand. No worries. We have to answer to our consciences as well as to our pocketbooks.

Lin4Hill: Two cents and all that jazz…received!

#166Murphy: What da hell is wrong with your roof? And what are you doing on the roof? Where is Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer? He is my favorite, Reindeer and has often come to my call for such as this…

Final Tally: $174 -So – I’m off to Paypal and will donate !82 – you all met and beat my best hope for this match – and since I KNOW times are rough, that means the world.

Signed the petition.

When I finish my post on why I favor a commission on women – notwithstanding NewOrleans’s skepticism – I will let you folks know about it.

For now, let me note that sometimes the point of signing a petition is to shame somebody who you doubt will respond even to hundreds of thousands of signatures…

Thank you all for matching and getting energized. Thank you for helping me help PUMA pac.

Thank you!

NewOrleansPuma, I will stick around, although these days I am lurking more than posting because I just started a new job and I am getting used to it, but every chance I get I come to the place where I spent ( and will continue spending) great moments. Time flies, and I still rememeber when I joined PUMA in the middle of the primaries ! I still have hope, it’s the last thing a human being can lose!

#179Heidi Li: Let us be clear: I do not have any skepticism regarding a Commission on Women or an Independant Group Study on the Subject. I reject wholeheartedly such an endeavor under the aegis, in any way, of the next President of this country for the reasons previously stated. I reject a Presidential Commission and not in name only…but in organization as well.

Oscarp: Obi already has his hands on our change; let us not let him take our hope as well.

#182oscarp: That is great. I hope you like your new job.
I also have hope ..hope in the goodness and the goodsense of the people of this country regarding what will be cast before them. The people…each one of them…Maintain hope in the greatness of soul of the people, no matter what comes about.
For it is in the hope of each individual bodied out every day that will in some manner bring back this country to one we can recognize.

Reposting link to audio tape… be patient… what you’ll hear from about 12 minutes in until the end will blow your socks off about Obama’s birthplace:
http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

#6 Jennifer.

The appropriate response to injustice is anger. I think the minds of people in DC have been politically preened to the point of lobotomy. There is no sense of decency, not even a pretense of decency any more. There is a posting above about Cronkite crying when he announced JFK’s death. I can’t imaging an Olberman or Matthews being that humane. They are all caught up in appearing tough and in spreading venom. This is a low point in American history, like the JFK assassination.

Missed the fund-raising effort earlier, but will send $50 via snail mail on Monday and I signed the petition.

Where was I when JFK died? I was in 6th grade. the Principle cam in and told us the President had been shot. The teachers were in the halls talking but we were in our seats as we were told to stay put. The teacher kept crying off and on. She gave us work to do and left for a long time. She had gone home to get her TV and she plugged it in and got the antenna working. Then we just sat and watched what came on the TV and other classes came in and sat on the floor to hear it. You couldn’t see that much cause TVs were black and white, had small screens and the reception wasn’t that great. It was very confusing and I wanted to go home and ask my Mother what to think.

#192AniEm: I concur with your thoughts.

I think that all disinchanted O’bots should ask for their donations back and file a complaint with the FEC if they do not get them.

KarenWI – I don’t know if you or anybody else may have seen this (it’s from 11/20), but Obama emailed his 3 MILLION campaign workers to ask them if they could spare time for HIS FOUR MISSIONS:

l. Campaign for progressive state and local candidates.

2. UNDERTAKE GRASSROOTS LOCAL EFFORTS TO ADVANCE “OBAMA’S AGENDA.”

3. Train others in Obama’s organizing techniques.

4. Focus on local political issues.

Obama wants to transform his victory into a broader political movement.

Here’s the link: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/56233.html

I forgot to post this earlier.

While Hillary as SOS has it’s merits, I still hope she tells him to suck it up and drive on. Especially because there were voters who did not vote for Hillary because they were worried about the reaction of “those sexist foreign officials” to her. Of course, it would make a point about how rediculous they are.

Thank you so much Heidi Li! That was good fundraising! was making me panic, glad it worked.

KarenWI – Also, forgot to mention: If Dick Cheyney is a relation, then he can request Hawaii to fork over the BC. In their regs for those eligible, it states that a relative can request his BC.

Let’s ask Dick to request it.

All Hawaii says it’s a valid BC. So what, that doesn’t mean he was born there, it’s probably just a registration of birth.

All these politicians are in cahoots. I don’t trust any of them. Especially not now!

#205Heneri: Exactly.

Heneri – I agree with your comments in post #191. He is the actor playing the role of a lifetime. The true power is behind the scenes. He gets what he wants (glory, face on money, future C.E.O. positions), some special favors for special causes that will help him maintain credibility with his peers, and THEY get everything else.
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My hope is that the American people who have seen through this act will rise up and revolt if our safety is jeopardized. And women everywhere should be banging their high-heeled pumps, or cleated boots, or worn-down rubber soles on everything demanding change. That makes me angrier than anything…that we have been treated like we don’t matter.

Because investigating Obama’s phone records leads to being fired, but Joe the Plumber searches only lead to suspensions:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iW5224ojdXKd-VFYTzjYVhzpkUhwD94JM0OG0

4 more punished over ‘Joe the Plumber’ searches

17 hours ago

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Two more senior managers at the Ohio agency where computers were used to dig up information about “Joe the Plumber” have been suspended without pay for their roles in the searches, an official at the agency said Friday.

Off topic: Carter denied visa to Zimbabwe:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/world/africa/23zimbabwe.html?em

for my many mistakes

The Governor of the state (which one, can not remember) refused to fire the woman who led the searches on Joe the plumber. I saw that in the paper. He rejected that. so what the hell difference does it make that she did it. None.
Initially she was only put on administrative leave with pay.
If you do not use your job in a state government position at any level, or a federal government position because you conducted an unwarranted search on an individual beyon the aegis of your mandate, then WHAT MORE DO YOU HAVE TO DO TO LOSE YOUR JOB?

Dances: I have been trying the “hover over the smiley” so many times, just now in fact. It never works for me. However, I have made a copy of the codes for the various smileys so I can always post one if I care to do it.

When JFK died I was in Rome,Italy. I was 13, babysitting and listening to AFRS..Armed Forces Radio Station. I was about 8PM when we got the news. We didn’t have a TV….but went over to a neighbors the next day to follow the tragedy on Italian stations. About and year and half before that fateful day, Kennedy spoke to a very small group on the American Embassy lawn. I was privileged to shake his hand at the end of the speech. I will never forget that moment.

To this day is is hard for me to believe that he was assassinated.

Many of you are resistant to this possibility — but a blind following of anyone is not healthy. We need to open our eyes to any possible explanations of behavior no matter who we want to believe in without questions. Critical thinking involves constant questioning — even when it is Hillary’s motives that are being questioned.

I believe there is merit to this explanation and PUMA’s need to face this possibility

http://logisticsmonster.com/2008/11/22/the-monsters-reaction-to-senator-clinton-as-secretary-of-state/

Lin4Hill
Good job!!

Also — on the topic of the birth certificate:

We need to be careful of the language — it’s NOT a birth certificate issue — it’s a natural born citizenship issue

Obama may or may not have a legitimate birth certificate (even though in my heart — I believe he was born in Kenya). But whether he has a legitimate birth certificate is not the issue — he is still not a natural born citizen (also not to be confused with the language term naturalized citizen).

So the petition on WND uses incorrect language by demanding a birth certificate. We need to demand that Obama prove he is a natural citizen. Pay attention to the language of importance that Donofrio explains in great detail. And so far his case seems to be showing the most merit with the Supreme Court. So he just may be on to something. We need to pay attention to what he is saying that makes his case successful. And we need to adopt the same language in our arguments. Words are important.

Nobama’s children are going to the same school Chelsea attended, and those silly media people thought he wanted to be like John Kennedy.

Question???

Another issue that has been bothering me is the fact that FOX reported that they are uncovering at least 8 government officials that illegally used government computer agencies and systems to do research on “Joe the Plumber.” Helen Jones-Kelley just got a minor slap on the wrist from Gov. Strickland in which she is docked one-month of pay. “Joe the Plumber” in an interview on fox said he frankly feels a more severe punishment is in order. She should be fired at the very least. I agree (along with a similar punishment for all involved in the illegal activities).

My question is this:

Why aren’t we doing a prowl of emailing and calling Gov. Strickland to express our outrage and demand more severe punishment to discourage such horrendous behavior?

mzebest
Great idea!
Can you put together a prowl for us?

Clinton-Obama Détente: From Top Rival to Top Aide
By ELISABETH BUMILLER

WASHINGTON — The thaw in the resentful relationship between the most powerful woman in the Democratic Party and her younger male rival began at the party’s convention this summer, when Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton gave such a passionate speech supporting Senator Barack Obama that his top aides leapt out of their chairs backstage to give her a standing ovation as she swept past.

Mr. Obama, who was in the first steps of what would become a strategic courtship, called afterward to thank her. By then, close aides to Mrs. Clinton said, she had come to respect the campaign Mr. Obama had run against her. At the least, she knew he understood like no one else the brutal strains of their epic primary battle.

By this past Thursday, when Mr. Obama reassured Mrs. Clinton that she would have direct access to him and could select her own staff as secretary of state, the wooing was complete.

“She feels like she’s been treated very well in the way she’s been asked,” said a close associate of Mrs. Clinton, who like others interviewed asked for anonymity because the nomination will not be formally announced until after Thanksgiving.

Few are predicting that this new relationship born of mutual respect and self-interest will grow into a tight bond between the new president and the woman who will be the public face of his foreign policy around the world, though some say it is not impossible. They argue that a close friendship between those in those powerful roles is useful but not essential, and is not a predictor of the success of the nation’s chief diplomat.

While James A. Baker III was extraordinarily close to the first President Bush and is widely considered one of the most successful recent secretaries of state, Dean Acheson was not a friend of President Harry S. Truman and Henry A. Kissinger did not particularly like Richard M. Nixon.

“Two of the nation’s greatest secretaries of state in the modern period, Dean Acheson and Henry Kissinger, were not personally close but were intellectually bonded to their presidents,” said Walter Isaacson, the author of a biography of Mr. Kissinger and of the book “The Wise Men,” a history of America’s postwar foreign policy establishment. “I think that Obama and Clinton could form a perfect partnership based on respect for each other’s view of the world.”

Colin L. Powell, President Bush’s first-term celebrity secretary of state, would appear to be a cautionary tale for Mrs. Clinton since his relationship with the president was strained, and he left office an unhappy man. But Condoleezza Rice, Mr. Bush’s second-term secretary of state, is generally not viewed as having the success her unusually tight bond with the president might have engendered.

In the Obama-Clinton relationship, advisers say, the relatively smooth nature of their talks about the secretary of state job indicate that both, for now, have a working chemistry. The advisers say that Mr. Obama was clearly interested in bringing a rival under his wing, and that he also recognized that Mrs. Clinton had far more discipline and focus than her husband.

At the same time, Mr. Obama’s advisers said, he had the self-confidence to name a global brand as his emissary to the world. He recognizes, they said, that after Jan. 20, he will have to build the kind of relationship that ensures that foreign leaders know that when Mrs. Clinton speaks, she is speaking directly for him.

“It helps to have a relationship that Bush had with Baker, that’s no doubt true,” said Martin Indyk, the former American ambassador to Israel, who was a supporter of Mrs. Clinton in the primary battles. “But if they are seen as working together effectively, I think that can be easily overcome. I don’t think he would have decided to appoint her if he didn’t want her to be effective.”

One close adviser to Mr. Obama said the president-elect also saw that Mrs. Clinton’s political skills would serve her well in the job, as happened with Mr. Baker and Mr. Kissinger. They understood that statecraft is politics by another name, the adviser said.

Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton first spoke after their primary fight on a flight in June to Unity, N.H., their first stage-managed appearance after Mr. Obama won the nomination. As they settled into their seats on Mr. Obama’s plane, the conversation, according to people on both sides, was far less awkward than they had feared. Over the passing weeks, the relationship gradually improved.

“They got past this long before their supporters and the party activists did,” said one Democrat who is close to both senators.

After Mrs. Clinton’s speech in support of Mr. Obama at the Democratic convention, she crisscrossed the country tirelessly to campaign for him — so much so that Mr. Obama told aides he was impressed by the sheer number of events Mrs. Clinton was doing on his behalf.

Mrs. Clinton, it should be said, was herself diligent in advertising how hard she was working for the man who defeated her. When announcing her appearances, her press office included tallies of how many events she had held for Mr. Obama, and in how many states. At some rallies, organizers would distribute “Hillary Sent Me” buttons, as if Mrs. Clinton was being magnanimous by “sending” her followers to vote for Mr. Obama.

But Mr. Obama began calling Mrs. Clinton after some of the events — he dialed directly from his cellphone to hers one day in Michigan and another day in Florida — to check in and thank her for helping. By then, their intense primary fights over policy, which both sides now insist was more about heat than substance, had long receded.

“The reality at the end of the day was, whether it was Iran or health care or some of these other issues, we were always fighting big battles over small differences,” said a senior aide to Mr. Obama, adding that “in a campaign, conflict is what you go to.”

Substantively, the two were at odds over the Iraq war — Mrs. Clinton voted to authorize it and Mr. Obama said he would have opposed it had he been in the Senate then — and to a lesser extent over negotiations with Iran. But although Mrs. Clinton criticized Mr. Obama for being willing to sit down and talk to dictators, Mr. Obama has said he would have a lower-level envoy do preparatory work for a meeting with Iran’s leaders first. Mrs. Clinton has said she favors robust diplomacy with Iran and lower-level contacts as well.

In the weeks just before the election, the relationship between Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton further mellowed, even as Mrs. Clinton found herself in a startling role reversal with her younger rival. As a celebrity senator and powerhouse on Capitol Hill, she had helped Mr. Obama in his Senate race and offered advice when he first came to Washington; now she was the workhorse for a political phenomenon.

Since the election, Mrs. Clinton has talked to Mr. Obama only a handful of times, even as two close advisers to Mr. Obama who held top positions in the Clinton administration — Rahm Emanuel and John Podesta — have served as key negotiators between her and the president-elect on the secretary of state position.

But Mrs. Clinton has talked several times to Michelle Obama about raising a family in the White House and private schools in Washington. On Friday, Mrs. Obama said the two Obama girls would attend the Sidwell Friends school, just as Chelsea Clinton did.

Jeff Zeleny contributed reporting from Chicago, and Mark Leibovich from Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/us/politics/23hillary.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=print

How does this tripe reach the light of day in a major newspaper?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/1294129,CST-EDT-open22.article

I did, indy…. just didn’t respond. I’m not a bit surprised, really. I’ve been thinking all along that Obama has had a lust for worldwide power all along. …and the DNC…and Hillary (sorry, but that’s what I think)… are all in it and have developed the same hunger. I am afraid… Obama isn’t just “any politician”… there has been an evil smell of sulfer about this campaign right from the start. I felt all along this was a battle of good vs. evil…. and, unfortunately, it appears that evil won. We’re too busy having fun on the board to actually DO something… IF there IS anything to DO to stop this…. before it’s too late. It’s like I’m sitting here watching the world spiral down to destruction….

mzebest: And, I am certain, I hope, by now you know that I do not follow anybody blindly, certainly not a politician, no matter who they are! Your comments are excellent.

windybon 11.22.08 at 3:50 pm
mzebest and Dances,
You might get more traction if you prowl the Ohio Attorney General’s office and cc the Governor. That is the office that would prosecute any crimes.
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Good idea!
Want to work with mzebest and create the prowl? Brief intro, goal, contact data, sample letter. That takes the bulk of teh load off Murphy’s shoulders, even though she might tweak it here and there.

This just came in my email as breaking news:

Politico.com Breaking News:
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For more information…http://www.politico.com

#244windbybon: Having slimed women for 11 months, having maligned us , we are all supposed to be so happy ..oh look…
another woman who did not do a damn thing about the slime…but gathered money ..for Ojingo people ..who happen to be women. You bunch of phoney male game playing I am in the game so I can play…washed up feminists..can all suck your frickin thumbs before I allow any of your propaganda into my brain.

Can anyone explain to me what the secretary of state even does. From watching condi, the job seems to entail flying around the world butting in where our presence is not wanted. this can not be what the job is about.
sorry if i seem a little down, bad news but i will deal with it

sue66 11.22.08 at 4:01 pm
sisters helping sisters is what we are about. anyone wanting to help our sister Puma Woodie please email me at aroofrabbit@yahoo.ca
it’s not often I can help someone with something that really matters in their life and we are really hoping we can make this happen
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Would you mind if we raised funds for Puma PAC at the cat surgery fundraising site?

KarenWI;
One of the commenters on the original article [ http://blogs.forbes.com/trailwatch/2008/11/obamas-birth--1.html#comment-140015746 ] says:

What Fukino’s press release says is they have Obama’s “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” It says nothing about him being born in Hawaii.

If my daughter was running for President, they could say the exact same thing. My daughter was adopted in Hawaii, her original birth certificate is on file and she has a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth – but she was born in South Korea to Korean nationals.

Which is what I’ve repeated in many places all along: the Hawaiian COLB is virtually irrelevant, since there are several ways to get one besides being born in Hawaii.

Awesome article — I totally agree. The lessons of the board game Monopoly can be applied to our adult life.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/obamonopoly_1.html

NewOrleansPuma 11.22.08 at 3:48 pm

“mzebest: And, I am certain, I hope, by now you know that I do not follow anybody blindly, certainly not a politician, no matter who they are! Your comments are excellent.”

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Thanks for your comments. I agree that the article might not be 100% correct. But I posted it mostly because the basic premise that a worship of Clinton as being idealistically great might need to be reevaluated. I have read many articles that connect her to Soros and the fact that she is also a student of Alinsky techniques. With that in mind — I’m not ready to hail her as the answer and cure to all our needs.

Sorry, meant “they’re going to have to start. . .” I’m sleepy, so typos are inevitable.