Happy Song!

by murphy on November 18, 2008

in Happy Song!, open thread

For New Orleans Puma:

And a Morning Prayer for all you early east coast risers! (via Trish, thanks Trish!)

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TrishfromCanada 11.18.08 at 11:42 pm

Repost from downstairs

Here is a book I read for a University Course:

Guests of the Sheik: An Ethnography Of An Iraqi Village
by Elizabeth Warnock Fernea

Summary (found on the internet)
In the 1950’s, a newly-married American woman named Elizabeth Warnock Fernea accompanied her husband to a rural Iraqi village, where he was performing field research for his doctorate in anthropology. This book describes her experiences. The adjustment for her was profound, because she lived in a mud hut with no indoor plumbing, didn’t speak the local language, and found it advisable to wear the veil in order to fit in with the local conservative Islamic community.

In this book, the author covers the day-to-day life of the women in the tribe, the process of slowly making friends with them as she learned their language, and the local Shiite religious observances that she shared in. She talks about the veiling of women, the practice of polygamy, the hard manual labor that is part of everyone’s life, the religious customs, the food that people eat, the structure of society, and the encroachment of modern “civilized” life on the traditional rural culture.

I’d recommend this book to all women. I’ve read it several times since leaving Uni.

Dances: I sent this post to the action centre e-mail

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TrishfromCanada 11.18.08 at 11:43 pm

heyyyyyyyyyy I’ve never been first on the new blog!

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BrianH 11.18.08 at 11:44 pm

Just listened to goofsdad’s broadcast, last portion, and someone there said a contact title lawyer in Hawaii had seen the original BC in the vault, and it was from Mombassa, Kenya, and had only Dunham’s signature on it.

Dynamite!

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Lin4Hill 11.18.08 at 11:46 pm

Love the Tweety Prayer- yep–everyday is a new day with no mistakes in it…until I open my mouth (ha!)
———-
goodnight, Murphy. goonght, PUMAs

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goofsmom 11.18.08 at 11:48 pm

Brian H.

I didn’t get a chance to hear the whole show. I will ask Goofsdad in a little bit.. when he comes out of his lair…

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goofsmom 11.18.08 at 11:49 pm

good night lin4hill

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HiHat 11.18.08 at 11:52 pm

Just a proud Male Puma checking in, catching up on the posts…

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murphy 11.18.08 at 11:55 pm

Hi HiHat!

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DancesWithPumas 11.18.08 at 11:57 pm

Casper Cat
Happy anniversary!!!!

ewwwwwwwww, ack, the Coronado Bridge… especially that section at the highest point that’s supposed to break loose in the event of an earthquake!! Good God!
I’ve driven over it in my Westy, which is built like a breadbox (anyone old enough to remember bread boxes?? lol) and the slightest breeze would push it into the next laneYIKES!!!
I like going to the beach at the Strand on the hottest of days… otherwise, the water is way too cold there.
I’ve also been kite surfing there, once, way too scary.. prefer Fiesta Island for that… it’s like the children’s pool. :D

Any, yes, thanks, when Mama and Mr Mama and children and children’s children, and kat, and invalid, start showing up… I’ll hand them the keys, and head up your way!
Either that, or I’ll sleep in a cardboard box in the alley.

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TrishfromCanada 11.18.08 at 11:58 pm

Dances, the bridge was built to split during an earthquake? for real?

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HiHat 11.18.08 at 11:59 pm

Hi Murphy…

I enjoyed the story of the Puma and Male Puma.

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:02 am

TrishfromCanada 11.18.08 at 11:58 pm
Dances, the bridge was built to split during an earthquake? for real?
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Yeep! Fer real. the whole middle section just plops hundreds of feet into the water… it’s for the ships… high masts, or whatever theyre called on Navey vessels, so they can get through… something like that. Google The Coroanado Bridge (San Diego or Coronado CA)…. the darker part of the bridge is the fall away section.

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TrishfromCanada 11.19.08 at 12:04 am

Wow the toll on the bridge is 1.00 and annually they collect 8 million dollars, that’s an incredible amount of traffic over a bridge

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murphy 11.19.08 at 12:06 am

Is that the bridge that Logan’s mother jumps off of at the end of the first season of Veronica Mars?

yikes.

Thanks Hi Hat — I was thinking of you when I wrote it! and a couple few other Male Pumas who know who they are!

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goofsmom 11.19.08 at 12:06 am

Dances

That is way to scary for me… I also dislike driving in tunnels… same reason earthquakes…

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tennaseepuma 11.19.08 at 12:07 am

Trish,
check out the comic relief section of the action center,I think youll like the second picture…….

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PUMAbear 11.19.08 at 12:08 am

I think we should take a very strong view on feminism. We need a platform about feminism, a new call to arms that is not necessarily just a reaction to Obama’s misogyny.
The posts after KPFT were the kind of baiting and disinformation I haven’t seen since the 1960’s and 1970’s. These attacks are programmatic and carried out by a cadre of professionals.I think we should take this very seriously because we are being taken seriously. We’re crazy, paranoid, unstable women, witches, *itches, con-artists, etc. We have to get our name out in as many fora a possible with a statement of positive action for women. Right now, women don’t have any representation. We don’t want young women harnessed by the BO idolatry machine or older one’s trampled by bullying and fear.
What can we do to gain visibility? Should we march? Create a cadre of good speakers to address women’s organizations? Get an ad out there? Whatever we do it must be quick before THEY define us.

PS I saw that BO’s “historic” campaign and victory DVD is being offered for sale by the NYT. A joint venture to make money? Is this something to worry about? A complete blurring of the line between the Oval Office and the newspaper that reports on it.

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murphy 11.19.08 at 12:08 am

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murphy 11.19.08 at 12:10 am

good ideas PumaBear — and i agree with you on all of them. I like this one:

“Create a cadre of good speakers to address women’s organizations.”

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murphy 11.19.08 at 12:10 am

good ideas PumaBear — and i agree with you on all of them. I like this one:

“Create a cadre of good speakers to address women’s organizations.”

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murphy 11.19.08 at 12:10 am

hey! how did that happen?!

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 12:11 am

blue blue blue blue

:P

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goofsmom 11.19.08 at 12:11 am

Murphy…

LOL… 1st time for everything… ;)

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:12 am

TrishfromCanada 11.19.08 at 12:04 am
Wow the toll on the bridge is 1.00 and annually they collect 8 million dollars, that’s an incredible amount of traffic over a bridge
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They did away with the toll 10 years ago. They made that much money because there’s a huge naval station there and people commute from this side of the bay.

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:14 am

Must be a blue moon sorta thing.

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lilibet 11.19.08 at 12:14 am

MURPHY:
I’ve just been lurking for quite awhile, but I had to laugh when I saw your 3 in a row posts.

DANCES:
Your real name isn’t Lillian by any chance?

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goofsmom 11.19.08 at 12:15 am

good one dances

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:15 am

goofsmom
You would hyperventilate driving in the Lincoln Tunnel…
I know I did! It takes forevaaaa to get through that thing.

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Casper Cat 11.19.08 at 12:15 am

Thank You DWP!!! I just can’t believe it has been 19 yrs for my partner and I…Time has gone by so fast….I just know when I enter the bridge I just say a prayer and punch the pedal to the metal to get across it as fast as I can…But, I really do love Coronado Island..I guess that is why I keep going there…I just hate the bridge….Again, Thank You

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murphy 11.19.08 at 12:16 am

I swear, I am NOT anna7000’s sockpuppet!

hiya Lillibet.

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:16 am

lilibet 11.19.08 at 12:14 am
DANCES:
Your real name isn’t Lillian by any chance?
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Nuh uh, but I’d be willing to bet your’s is…. :)

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PUMAbear 11.19.08 at 12:16 am

Murphy,

Maybe we could partner with NOW somehow and reach their audience. Hmmmm. Of course, they’re in the tank for BO and wouldn’t want us to upset the apple-cart or create an alternate platform. But I feel the window of opportunity on establishing the PUMA identity could close.

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goofsmom 11.19.08 at 12:17 am

Dances…

EWWWWWWWWW….

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:21 am

ayyaiyai….partnering with NOW…
where’s that quote of the day?

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lilibet 11.19.08 at 12:21 am

TRISH:
It is nice to see you so active here again. I must tell you that I think of you almost everyday when I take my Canadian Blueberries out of the freezer. They are so big and luscious. I bought a lot of them when they were in season
so now I can enjoy them whereas blueberries are just too expensive until next season.

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:21 am

ayyaiyai….partnering with NOW…
where’s that quote of the day?

QUOTE OF THE DAY
“Establishment feminism has committed hari kiri in public this year and it’s a fucking disaster. It’s like the NAACP sponsoring a lynching.”
Dr. Violet Sox, via Blue Lyon

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invalidresponse 11.19.08 at 12:22 am

If this is up for a vote ,,,,,here is my loud mouth with my one vote….
I am a PUMA and a Feminist….I will not call myself another name in order to make others feel comfortable, disassociate from past actions, or to be excepted by “prominent individuals”

It is my belief that in order to make history, you have to have a history…….Murphy please don’t bury ours.

just popped in to say hi and goodnight pumas…..and I guess add my too cents………..

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lilibet 11.19.08 at 12:24 am

DANCES:
No, but my mom’s name is LILLIAN!

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TerryDo 11.19.08 at 12:24 am

REPOST FROM DOWNSTAIRS

TerryDo 11.18.08 at 11:58 pm

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Irlandese 11.18.08 at 10:28 pm
I’ve got NO PROBLEM with the title of “Feminist”, and never will. I wear that moniker with pride. Any woman who cannot embrace that title for herself (or her daughters) is consenting to her own eradication.
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I personally wear it as an honor badge when someone calls me a feminist. I wear it proudly.
One evening, when I was 50 years old, I was out with a group of people and we were having a political conversation, and I made a statement, which kind of shocked the two younger women that were at the table. One of the ladies at the table was a 30 years old, and when I had finished my statement, she turned to the other gal and said “Oh Terry’s a real feminist. “
But it was said in such a fashion, that it was unusual for women to still be called a feminist and that was just 14 years ago.

The younger women think that they have arrived, that all of women’s needs have been met, by the old feminist guard.

If women do not have Equal Rights in America, how can other women around the world, with even less political clout ever hope to have equal rights?

I always say, get you own home straightened out before you go to your neighbors and try to her out!

No wonder 39% of men say that a male is “naturally more suited” to carrying out the duties of the office.
After all,(if I am permitted to complete their thoughts) women can’t even fight for their own equal rights, how could they fight against terrorists and enemies of America…

Women of America have to finish the job of Alice Paul for ERA.

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diva2 11.19.08 at 12:26 am

Nobo’s bc

If indeed his bc is from Kenya (duh, as if we didn’t already know that) he is going to need those dvd’s and coin money to pay off the money he illegally took for donations. I guess it is time to see if the Supreme court truly represents the constitution or not. I do not believe it is over yet.

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HiHat 11.19.08 at 12:28 am

As far as “Puma” as a name goes…I think it works. It’s short, memorable, and stands for everything be believe:

People United Means Action

Of course, some still think of it as Party Unity My Ass, but perhaps a better variation of that would be:

“Patriarchal Universe My Ass”

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TrishfromCanada 11.19.08 at 12:29 am

lol Tennasee I was looking at the picture of the exudus to Canada and I swear I saw Bo n’ Mo driving one of those cars. I think he got his new job descrition and ran for the hills.

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:29 am

lilibet 11.19.08 at 12:24 am
DANCES:
No, but my mom’s name is LILLIAN!
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Did she live 5o miles from Meridian, married to a guy named Gideon*?

*butchered lyrics from teh song: Red Dirt Girl

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claracat 11.19.08 at 12:32 am

in response to a post “downstairs” ?(do i have that right?) when i first introduced myself, yes, i was at the rally at Denver but if i met anyone specific i couldn’t tell you the names, as that was just at the beginning of my pumadom

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:32 am

Trish…
Book is up. Thank you!!
And, have you seen this photo? (second one down).
http://pumapac.org/comic.html

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invalidresponse 11.19.08 at 12:33 am

TrishfromCanada
“exudus to Canada”
______________________________
it’s ok Trish they did not let him cross the border due to his terrorist
associations …….

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:33 am

Trish, wait! Don’t bother. You were just commenting on it.
duh

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 12:34 am

claracat…
“pumadom”

:)

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:35 am

claracat
Hi!
Were you at the Puma Pac Headquarters?
If so, I wonder if I have a photo of you? I haven’t posted them yet… maybe over the weekend.

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Ex-DemInVA 11.19.08 at 12:35 am

There are many reasons why only 20% will identify themselves as a feminist. One reason is that the term has been negatively defined by the media and groups that do not want egalitarianism to succeed. Some will tell you feminists are “bra burning” radicals. Again, another story that caught on fire by the media. Some will tell you that feminists are “male bashers” and want all for themselves. The point I am trying to make is that people who are not willing to identify with the term have only hearn negative descriptions of feminism. What feminism stands for has been drowned out by the negative images spelled out by the media and these groups. Yes, there are different types or subsets of feminist groups. Some are more progressive than others. I tend to like the definition of feminism by Hyde as being an individual who prefers the economic, political, and social equality of both men and women. In so doing, a feminist favors the social and legal changes that are needed to attain this equality. In addtion, there are male feminists as well as female feminists.

Therefore, based on the above definition, I am proud to say that I am a feminist. The name PUMA should stay as it is. It means “always alert and ready to take action” just like the animal. Just MHO.

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HiHat 11.19.08 at 12:36 am

Kat,

You have by now checked all your windows, right? :)

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TrishfromCanada 11.19.08 at 12:37 am

lilibet, I bought blueberries on my way home this evening.

Ok, I’m gonna tell a cute story just cause this grey box is all mine for a minute.

When my dog was alive, I’d take him blueberry picking with me. He so loved it, I’d let him go off-leash over the hills. He’d run back every few minutes, mostly when he couldn’t see me anymore. He’d open his mouth and cover a blueberry patch, close his mouth and pull back. The berries would fall in his mouth and the branches would pop out. LOL I laugh so much remembering that. I’d call him by berry scooper for rest of the day. If I turned by back he’d run over and bury his face in the bucket and munch away.

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claracat 11.19.08 at 12:38 am

no, never the headquarters, just the rally at cheesman park.

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:38 am

Trish…sweet.

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:39 am

claracat 11.19.08 at 12:38 am
no, never the headquarters, just the rally at cheesman park.
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I have photos from the cheesman park rally too.

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claracat 11.19.08 at 12:40 am

then maybe :)

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:41 am

claracat…
ok. After I post them, mayeb you could let me know.
You can send a note to me at actioncenter@pumapac.org
Don’t worry… I’ll remind you. ;)

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 12:42 am

yes, HiHat. I guess I opened it to cook and forgot. Haven’t gotten enough sleep lately I think.

Oh, and yes, of course the name should stay the same…say, how has it come to be that a man, such as yourself, cares about women’s issues like you do?…is it inherent or…jus’ wonderin’

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 12:44 am

Trish, aww. I want a doggie to go blueberry picking with.

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turndownobama 11.19.08 at 12:47 am

PUMAbear 11.19.08 at 12:16 am said:
Maybe we could partner with NOW somehow and reach their audience. Hmmmm. Of course, they’re in the tank for BO and wouldn’t want us to upset the apple-cart or create an alternate platform. But I feel the window of opportunity on establishing the PUMA identity could close.
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HUH? We’ve GOT an identity. We’re the feminists who support centrist practical women like Hillary and Sarah — rather than like NOW etc going off on single issue eltist PC witch hunts.

If we want to reach NOW’s audience, let’s attack NOW, put up an anti-NOW website or something.

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 12:48 am

Everyone look up at murphy’s tweety bird. 12 bad things. I’ve only whined, complained and cursed today. Not so bad.

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HiHat 11.19.08 at 12:50 am

Kat #58

Well, I suppose all the credit must go to my Mother. It’s always just been natural for me to think of women as equals.

Or superior…

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:51 am

I guess I should go for a perfect 10 and have a piece of chocolate.

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sue66 11.19.08 at 12:51 am

The label of feminist always seemed to be too restrictive to me. I never felt comfortable with it. I have decided that Dances womanist is what I am. Equal and with the right to chose any path I want to take. I never felt that feminist gave me that right.

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HiHat 11.19.08 at 12:52 am

Kat #61

I’ve had chocolate, that’s about it.

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 12:53 am

NOW should change their name. NOFFLWBWACTMOWSWS. National organization for far left women but we also cater to men over women so we suck.

or sumpthin more abbreviated.

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alohapuma 11.19.08 at 12:54 am

turndownobama 11.19.08 at 12:47 am
We’ve GOT an identity. We’re the feminists who support centrist practical women like Hillary and Sarah — rather than like NOW etc going off on single issue eltist PC witch hunts.
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Right on. I would replace “feminist” with “women” personally, but your statement is on the money.

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 12:54 am

I don’t want to be equal with men, that’d be a downward spiral… I want men to be equal to women.

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TrishfromCanada 11.19.08 at 12:55 am

kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 12:53 am

LOl how about COW, Condemnation of Women

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alohapuma 11.19.08 at 12:55 am

I like “womanist”. Hear us roar in numbers too big to ignore.

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 12:58 am

HiHat,

omigawsh, you goodie. Meh…just chocolate. sheesh.

;)

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alohapuma 11.19.08 at 12:59 am

I want men to be men…whatever that really means…and love them for it. I really appreciate natural maleness and real men. I’m repulsed by mysogyny and the little worms who hide behind it.

I want to be women in the fullness of it without a discussion. I want it to be taken for granted. If not for us, then for our daughters.

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HiHat 11.19.08 at 1:00 am

Does cursing inside your own head count?

Cause if that’s the case, well…

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 1:02 am

Trish, yeah, he he, now I am thinking…doing the consonant rhyme thing…bow, cow, dow, fow, gow, how,…..hmmm.

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 1:03 am

alohapuma, oh yes, I agree.

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 1:05 am

HiHat, no. It does not count. And since I read what you put, half a dozen curses have swirled through my mind. make. it. stop. lol

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mountainsong 11.19.08 at 1:06 am

ChristineRI 11.18.08 at 10:31 pm

“Women are Women”.
Now that’s an example of vibrational alignment.
Focus on and Follow your Bliss.
If you believe you are a victim, you need to change your own vibrational alignment, or get used to being a victim. One can change their vibrational alignment and focus of the bliss of being woman. Equal, inequal, whatever.
We are (all) spiritual beings having a physical experience.
I think Nelson Mandela said something to the effect that manifesting as a victim serves the world no good purpose.

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SouthernGAL68 11.19.08 at 1:06 am

ATTENTION —- Murphy

Take a look at …

http://www.socwomen.org/page.php?sss=87

BY: DR. ANN GOETTING

*** Dr. Goetting was one of my professors when I was in graduate school. Also, if you get a free minute, type in her name under search. You can get an idea of her “causes” etc … I got to know Dr. Goetting and have a few ideas of how she may want to help. Just let me know what you think!

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RememberNovember 11.19.08 at 1:08 am

PUMA NAME

Would someone please explain the significance of ‘prominent individuals’ and the name ‘Puma’? Are there people out there who would associate with us if we changed our name? If so, who are we talking about?

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RememberNovember 11.19.08 at 1:09 am

SouthernGAL68

Woman after my own heart with all your dogs. Bless you for taking care of the unwanted.

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 1:12 am

Thanks, SouthernGAL68, seems interesting to me.

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SouthernGAL68 11.19.08 at 1:13 am

Remember/Nov.

Oh! I ran you off (HA!) before I could tell you how sorry I am to hear abou the loss of your pet! It is like losing a family member.

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HiHat 11.19.08 at 1:14 am

SouthernGAL68 11.19.08 at 1:06 am

Thank you for that article.

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 1:15 am

i’m sweepy

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mountainsong 11.19.08 at 1:15 am

SouthernGAL68 11.19.08 at 1:06 am Thank you….this is very interesting.

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PUMAbear 11.19.08 at 1:16 am

Everybody’s right. NOW committed hari kari acouple of decades ago and are now wallowing in the gore! Thatwill teach me to muse on a website. Just thinking. Think we should keep PUMA-nice pussycat. Also like the idea of aggressively TAKING ON NOW. How could we do it?

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goofsmom 11.19.08 at 1:16 am

little kat needs to go to bed… nighty-night

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SouthernGAL68 11.19.08 at 1:16 am

Kat in the hat,

If yall (we) can put some ideas together, Dr. Goetting is always up for a good fem. cause! I say yall more than me, because I am new to all of this … but I would like to help anyway I can (even if it means just getting the right people together.)

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 1:17 am

kat’s been immortalized in the “Classic Comments” section
http://pumapac.org/comic.html

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mountainsong 11.19.08 at 1:17 am

kat in your hat You better pick up a broom and go to sweep then. :P

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TerryDo 11.19.08 at 1:18 am

NOW IS EFFECTIVE TODAY AS THE NAWSA WAS BACK IN ALICE PAUL’S TIME:

In 1912, Alice Paul joined the National American Women Suffrage Association (NAWSA) and was appointed Chairman of their Congressional Committee in Washington, DC.
When their lobbying efforts proved fruitless, Paul and her colleagues formed the National Woman’s Party (NWP) in 1916 and began introducing some of the methods used by the suffrage movement in Britain. Tactics included demonstrations, parades, mass meetings, picketing, suffrage watch, fires, and hunger strikes.

So, not to keep harping on Alice Paul, which I will soon have to call her “Saint Alice” but today’s NOW is just as ineffectual as the old NAWSA was in Alice Paul’s day and thus she formed the NWP.
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PumaPacParty can be the New Women’s Party and go back to basics just like Ms Paul did and use more modern and effective tactics, which are applicable to current mechanisms. I.e., internet, emails, faxes, TV and speaking engagements etc..
In five months Pumas already have a reputation (good and bad) and more and more people are hearing about this group.

You do not change a brand name, just as it is beginning to be recognized.

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mountainsong 11.19.08 at 1:18 am

I like the idea of PUMA becoming the female counterpart to NOW. LOL

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SouthernGAL68 11.19.08 at 1:19 am

Everyone,

I have to work in the morning, but if any of yall talk to Murphy (i think she is gone for the night) please tell her to take a look at the site and we will go from there.

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HiHat 11.19.08 at 1:20 am

DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 1:17 am

Congrats, Kat.

And now it’s time for me to go. Gotta get some writing done.

Sweet Dreams, Pumas.

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SouthernGAL68 11.19.08 at 1:21 am

Good night Hihat

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kat in your hat 11.19.08 at 1:25 am

yay! I am immortal! danke.

yes, me go beddy bye bye.

sweet dreams, pumas xoxoxoxox

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RememberNovember 11.19.08 at 1:26 am

SouthernGAL68

You are right – he was family……thank you for your kind words…

Do you know the answer to my questions I asked above:

Would someone please explain the significance of ‘prominent individuals’ and the name ‘Puma’? Are there people out there who would associate with us if we changed our name? If so, who are we talking about? Thanks

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DancesWithPumas 11.19.08 at 1:30 am

RemVem… ;)
I’m sorry for your loss. It’s difficult, I know.

With that, I am off to bed… and only 29 minutes later than I’d planned.

‘nighi, Puma Nation. Sweet Dreams

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RememberNovember 11.19.08 at 1:31 am

Thank you Dances – guess I’ll call it a night too (for the second time). :)

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SouthernGAL68 11.19.08 at 1:35 am

Remember/Nov.

I have been a puma for maybe a month or better. I am sorry to say, but you have asked the wrong person. I do now that I saw someone on an earlier blog, so you might want to check it out. I apologize that I am NO HELP to you! ( I was at work most of the day, so I just took a quick glance through the post)

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SouthernGAL68 11.19.08 at 1:36 am

Okay … I am out to! Yall have a very good night and sleep well!

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TerryDo 11.19.08 at 1:42 am

PUMAbear 11.19.08 at 1:16 am
Everybody’s right. NOW committed hari kari a couple of decades ago and are now wallowing in the gore! That will teach me to muse on a website. Just thinking. Think we should keep PUMA-nice pussycat. Also like the idea of aggressively TAKING ON NOW. How could we do it?
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PUMAbear we take on NOW by having some of our Puma members join NOW in prominent cities, where their headquarters are located, and get copies of their membership’s mailing and emailing list and start emailing them the Puma Mission Statement.
But until Puma adopts a Mission Statement, outlining exactly what their goals are, we are just wasting our time spinning and spinning the world goes round, as they say…

My suggestion for a couple of the goals for the Mission Statement could be:
Equal Rights Amendment
Equal pay for equal work.
Encouraging more women to enter politics etc.

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TerryDo 11.19.08 at 1:46 am

Well it looks as though I am pretty much talking to myself again :)

That is o.k. it is out there in the Universe and it will be picked up if it has any merit….

Good night Pumas!

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sandipuma 11.19.08 at 2:30 am

ok i will turn the lights off.Gees allways my job.(((PUMAS)))

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sandipuma 11.19.08 at 2:53 am

I don’t believe much of what he says.I wonder if Andy is a big crackpot,
Honolulu court conducts vigorous hearing on Barack Obama’s “real,” “original birth certificate”

Wednesday, November 19th Obama author Andy Martin will launch a “National Conversation on the Future of America” under Barack Obama, and the future of the anti-Obama movement. ContrarianCommentary.com columnist Martin seeks to begin a dialog and discussion on how people who reject the regime of Barack Obama will continue to manifest their opposition. Martin is the author of “Obama: The Man behind The mask.” He is considering writing a second book on the 2008 presidential campaign.

Andy Martin awaits Hawai’i court ruling on Obama birth certificate

“National conversation” on Obama set to launch in Honolulu Wednesday evening

ANDY MARTIN
Executive Editor
ContrarianCommentary.com

“Factually Correct, Not
Politically Correct”

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Hawai’i judge conducts vigorous hearing on Obama birth certificate battle, reserves ruling

Andy Martin will launch a “National Conversation on the Future of America” Wednesday evening in Honolulu

(HONOLULU)(November 18, 2008) Aloha from Hawai’i.

A Honolulu circuit judge heard vigorous arguments in the lawsuit filed by Obama author Andy Martin. Martin is seeking access to Barack Obama’s original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate. The judge reserved judgment.

“We had about a half-hour hearing,” Martin states. “Both the Attorney General and I vigorously presented our respective positions. The Court gave no indication of when or how the ruling could come or what the result will be.

“I have ordered a transcript of the hearing and as soon as it arrives we will post it on our blogs. People should be able to read the arguments in Court. Rather than characterize what was said, I will allow everyone to review the presentation for themselves.

“Tuesday afternoon through the gracious assistance of a local supporter I was able to visit the National Cemetery where the ashes of Barack Obama’s grandfather are interred. The Punchbowl Cemetery is very still, and very moving. I am always brought to deep emotion by the graves of the unknown, known only to God, who answered the call and gave their lives in our service. The famous war correspondent Ernie Pyle is also buried at Punchbowl.

“Sadly, there was no ornamentation or remembrance at the plaque of Stanley Dunham. Obama’s memorialization of his family members seems to be limited to the occasional photo op. I hope to have a detailed column on Madelyn Dunham’s memorial as soon as possible, but Wednesday we will be busily working away in the Courthouse again. We are trying to utilize our time in Honolulu as intensively as possible.

“Wednesday at 5:30 P.M. we will launch our National Conversation on the Future of America under Barack Obama and the future of the anti-Obama movement. We will issue details late Tuesday night. Anyone wanting to attend can just show up.

“We will be taking the National Conversation around the country, to South Florida in November, and Northern and Southern California in December, to anywhere and everywhere people are interested. But we thought we would try our best to launch these informal meetings in Hawai’i, where Obama began, and where the movement to remove him from office in 2012 should also begin.

“All are welcome to join us for a free form discussion,” Martin stated. “If anyone who was in court Tuesday shows up, they can deliver their own impression of what happened.”

A formal announcement will follow in a few hours.

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Libby 11.19.08 at 3:22 am

I have a problem with Margaret Carlson’s article titled “Queen Bee” about Palin so I fired off two emails to her.

Sorry this is so long:

Just so you can see that there is another view on Palin.

I don’t expect you to read it, much less buy into it…but I expect
you will see a lot more positive Palin reactions when people
begin to see the back story of this campaign.

Institutions are falling all around us and the media should be
the next one to go down. Just as Obama’s friends at Acorn
took down the housing market,by invading banks, signing up
people who could never afford loans, and getting into the pockets of
the government and it’s agencies, all of which led to the downfall of the
housing market and the financial supporting network of that market…

the revelations of the twisted reporting and bias of the
media should take down those entities that people will come
to realize did nothing but lie to them and hinder the truth.
Obama is the least vetted candidate ever and the media, including you,
failed to do it’s job. You spread rumors and innuendo rather than
reporting. It took the British press to actually get out some true
stories about Obama. While the U.S. press talked about clothing
costs concerning ONE member, Sarah Palin. I didn’t hear anyone
talking about the money that Obama’s campaign cannot account
for where it came from that runs into the hundreds of millions of dollars.

You are writing a column, making a living, but you gave up your
real power.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81267

The Palin-bashers
Posted: November 18, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008

Just who are the amorphous individuals attacking Gov. Sarah Palin as not being smart enough to have been vice president? What makes her less capable than Joe Biden? In retrospect, if Biden was such a brilliant pick, and if Michelle Obama is so intelligent, why were both kept off the main stage in the closing weeks of the presidential race – while Sarah Palin was increasingly in public view?

I submit they are comprised of two factions – the first being those that never wanted her to be vice president – the other, those who are afraid she may succeed as a presidential candidate in 2012. Lumped into both groups are those who don’t have a clue, which includes elitist Republicans who place a higher value on a person’s alma mater than they do a person’s ability.

The accusations now surfacing is that Gov. Palin isn’t “smart enough” to even consider running for president, to which one might argue: like Al Gore and John Kerry were, and like Joe Biden is – but I digress. A pre-eminent business leader told me many years ago, “You don’t have to be super smart to be successful – you just have to be smart enough to surround yourself with people who are.”

To that point, Sarah Palin is not only smart enough to surround herself with smart people, but she is also both smart and capable. Her record of accomplishment in barely two years as governor of Alaska is extraordinary. She is a proven fiscal conservative who puts the best interests of the people ahead of “good ol’ boy” politics and policies, and she isn’t hesitant to take on malevolent factions of her own party. She holds to traditional values, not as a mace, but as a way of life.

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She restructured her state’s pre-existing severance tax on oil and gas production, renegotiating thstructure in full public view, and the rebated part of the resulting surplus went directly to taxpayers. She ended a multi-year stalemate over the financing and construction of a $40 billion cross-state pipeline that supplies cheaper natural gas to Alaskans and the lower 48 states. That single act alone did more to advance American energy independence than Biden, Obama or McCain can boast collectively. In her capacity as being responsible for the Alaskan National Guard, she authorized 521 missions that saved 200 lives.

As governor, she is responsible for her decisions. She cannot hide behind rhetoric as “having sponsored” a piece of legislation or having gotten a committee chairmanship based on seniority alone. Nor does she have the option (or inclination if she did) to vote yea, nay or present.

At the time of her being announced as the vice-presidential candidate, she had an approval rating of 87 percent – unlike Congress, which, depending upon the poll one views, had an approval rating of 9 or 10 percent with a disapproval rating of 78 percent.

Fox News reporter Carl Cameron acted as interlocutor, breathlessly revealing how unnamed sources were spilling theretofore whispered details of what Gov. Palin was actually like. The problem is, as Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren exposed on her show, the things he reported never happened. We have yet to see Cameron eagerly sharing that fact as breaking news.

Sarah Palin and those like her are the future of the Republican Party. Conservatism is not dead – moderates are the losers in this election. No liberal has been elected by outing themselves as same. They become centrists, moving center and center-right (remember the elections of 2006). Obama, who is recognized by other liberals as the most liberal liberal in Congress, spent the last two months of the campaign running center-right.

The attacks are coming from those who fear what Gov. Palin represents. They fear not being able to convince enough people to oppose her unless they start savaging her now. I am also inclined to believe that a good number of those spreading the lies and misinformation are either from, will be or desire to be part of a certain former and future presidential hopeful loser, who fancies himself a contender in 2012.

Sarah Palin is good for our party – she is good for America. And trust me, those attacking her do so because they fear her ability to connect with voters. They wouldn’t waste their efforts if this were not the case. To those who say she isn’t “smart enough,” I say she doesn’t have to be an Adams, Jefferson, Madison or Reagan; she just has to be smart enough to know it and surround herself with capable people. And keep in mind that Ronald Reagan was attacked as not being intelligent enough, while Bill Clinton was hailed as being supremely intelligent.

Palin didn’t lose the race for McCain – he lost it himself despite her giving him a tremendous boost going into the closing weeks of the campaign. She is, however, the reason his six-point loss wasn’t a double-digit loss.

First email to Margaret:
Your “Queen Bee, Palin” article is hopelessly idiotic.

During this election the public has had to put up with the worst media writers ever and you just happen to be one of them.

You are a woman yet you bought into and sell the Obama camp created image of Palin without even looking for facts or at the facts that exist.

Now Obama wants to compare himself to Lincoln? So the guy writers are building him up as a Lincoln character without even looking at the vast differences between the two, and the times they lived in, the situations they have/had to deal with, and the fact that Lincoln started a war that pit brother against brother in the US. Well, maybe that is exactly what Obama plans to do.

Women writers like yourself will keep taking on the job of men, which is to keep uppity women in their place. Maybe you can even take away our right to vote. That’s the way it was during Lincoln’s day.

Lincoln tried to move the country forward. Every month more books come out evaluating how he did, more that a century ago. Maybe that is all Obama cares about also. Books about himself.

There will be books written about this campaign and Presidency long after it is over, but I sincerely doubt that there will be favorable opinions about what went on in this country, during this election.

So a guy becomes President, who kept saying he wanted to take the country into the 21st century, while nearly every person in the media seem to be helping him to throw back this country into the 19th century.

While you are at it why don’t you publish a few more untruths about Hillary since she has had it easy after the DNC selected Obama against the voters in the primarys.
If you don’t know that it true, then you may be a writer but you will never be an investigative journalist. You will simply be an image pusher. The truth will come out and betray those who only cared to create an image and put him into the White House.

You got what you wanted. Obama got what he wanted. Now lets see what he does with it.

In the meantime, if you are going to write about Palin, how about doing something more than interpreting your own opinion of events.

It is a sad commentary on the times when a guy makes
up a web site, says that he is in the McCain camp and all of the “journalists” reports as fact the trash that came out of a made up person’s website. And that is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what writers have reported as “truth” in this pitiful example of journalism for the past
year.

The best outcome of this campaign would be for the major media to go out of business, because people can no longer trust the “reports” coming out of them.

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BrianH 11.19.08 at 3:56 am

It’s a very interesting observation that only the newspapers and TV and radio stations that accommodate or cater to conservative views are surviving and thriving financially. All the heavy hitters of the left, from ABCCBSNBCMSNBC to NYT and LAT and WaPo, are crashing and sinking in red ink. Meanwhile, FOX and WSJ and WaTimes and talk radio stations are strong and getting stronger.

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BrianH 11.19.08 at 4:04 am

Excuse the long post, but since no one’s about at this hour, it won’t interrupt anything.
Logistics Monster, who begged anti-O and PUMA and feminist blogs a few days ago to “Stop Preaching to the Choir”, has a red-hot follow-up. He’s not impressed with HRC’s flip-flop, to say the least http://logisticsmonster.com/2008/11/17/same-as-it-ever-was/ :

Four days ago I wrote Stop Preaching To The Choir about what ALL anti-obamanation voters will need to do to defeat The One in 4 years. I know quite a few of you have read and commented on it and maybe, I am once again, ahead of my time or a legend in my own mind….I don’t know which, BUT damn, if it is not still ringing true.

Tomorrow will mark two weeks since our country was bamboozeled into voting for the empty chair and now I am reading that Senator Clinton will accept the SOS job from, of all newspapers?….the Guardian UK. This post is not all about HRC, but I thought I would throw the tidbit out there.

Hillary Clinton plans to accept the job of secretary of state offered by Barack Obama, who is reaching out to former rivals to build a broad coalition administration, the Guardian has learned.

Obama’s advisers have begun looking into Bill Clinton’s foundation, which distributes millions of dollars to Africa to help with development, to ensure that there is no conflict of interest. But Democrats do not believe that the vetting is likely to be a problem.

Clinton would be well placed to become the country’s dominant voice in foreign affairs, replacing Condoleezza Rice. Since being elected senator for New York, she has specialised in foreign affairs and defence. Although she supported the war in Iraq, she and Obama basically agree on a withdrawal of American troops.

Clinton, who still harbours hopes of a future presidential run, had to weigh up whether she would be better placed by staying in the Senate, which offers a platform for life, or making the more uncertain career move to the secretary of state job.

So there you have it. The final nail in HRC’s coffin with her base, and one can hope that it will be the end of her political career as The One will throw her to the lions when it suits him. Does that anger some people? It should not; what should anger you is that she betrayed her promise to you, me, and the rest of the 18 million, campaigned for the empty suit and now is going to be doing his bidding, giving up a more powerful position and joining the Progressive Socialist Party. Oops, did I say joining? That is incorrect, since I know from my research for the Socialism articles that she was trained by Alinsky too and is an integral part of bringing globalism to our shores. Are any of the scales falling from your eyes yet?

Please take a moment to think about this; she did not have to campaign her soul out for him, did she? She does not have to take the position of SOS, does she? Did The One pay off her campaign debt YET? Please ask yourselves, what is her payoff? What does she gain from crawling up from the foot of the bed?

Now, back to the post at hand. Same as it ever was…..I just took a jaunt around to the PUMA sites and the conservative blogs and by and large they are STILL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME OLD SHIT! Misogyny, sexism, Hillary don’t do it, and why Obama beat the Republicans. Excuse me…but how long is it going to take people to WAKE UP? Are all you folks going to be talking about these same issues in 4 years when this bastard gets re-elected? Have you taken the time to join all the grassroots efforts, (PUMA and Conservative, no matter what your party affiliation), listed in the blogroll in LARGE CAPS? That is what it is going to take to nail his ass the second time around, and keep the global socialists from being in power for more than 8 freakin’ years.

I am thinking that if everybody is going to be sitting around blogging and bitching about the same old stuff, then you might as well pack it up right now….you are not doing anything but exactly what The One wants you to. He wants you bitching about the little issues and not forming the grassroots army to match his own that is already light years ahead of his opposition and is growing moment by moment. You are not paying attention to what will make the difference, you are just having one big pity party. Meanwhile, this snake oil salesman: [photo of Obama] and this group of power and money hungry frauds: [photo of Franks, Reid, Pelosi, Dodd] are going to be controlling this country and turning it into another EU State along with the help of the Clintons.

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BrianH 11.19.08 at 4:23 am

VDH warns about Identity Politics, with reference to Obama’s blanket appeals to special interest groups. But all identifiers should pay heed:

The problem with identity politics and coalitions

They are unrestrained. Once one runs on the notion that he is a hyphenated American, there is no end to it. Obama had not been elected one minute, and immediately the Moveon.org people claimed their anti-war due. Then wily Bill Richardson was on TV bragging that the Hispanics in the southwest had won him the election, and that they needed to be rewarded. The gay community will think federal support for gay marriage is a dividend of their support as well. Ditto women, unions, radical environmentalists, etc. The list is endless once one appeals to the tribe and the single-issue voter rather than to shared ideas and values.

Feminist-Americans no more exempt than African-Americans.

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BrianH 11.19.08 at 4:25 am

Oops, that last line is supposed to be outside the quote, it’s not VDH’s.

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sue66 11.19.08 at 5:18 am

Good morning Puma’s. Interesting book – Alice Paul and the American Suffrage Campaign by Katherine H. Adams and Michael L Keene. You will notice campaign as opposed to movement. Maybe that change is where things went astray. Have to get coffee. BBL

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turndownobama 11.19.08 at 5:34 am

BrianH 11.19.08 at 3:56 am
It’s a very interesting observation that only the newspapers and TV and radio stations that accommodate or cater to conservative views are surviving and thriving financially. All the heavy hitters of the left, from ABCCBSNBCMSNBC to NYT and LAT and WaPo, are crashing and sinking in red ink. Meanwhile, FOX and WSJ and WaTimes and talk radio stations are strong and getting stronger
==================

Do you have a theory why that’s happening? Conservative media subsidized by the big money interests? Too many liberal media, the liberal audience is spread too thin?

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turndownobama 11.19.08 at 5:41 am

brianH quoted LogisticsMonster: Please take a moment to think about this; she did not have to campaign her soul out for him, did she? She does not have to take the position of SOS, does she?
================

No; perhaps yes.

Campaigning and SOS are two dfferent sitautions. Helping Obama get elected was unnecessary and disappointing. Now that he is elected, keeping him from starting WWIII may be necessary.

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CJ 11.19.08 at 5:52 am

sandipuma 11.19.08 at 2:53 am

…………………
#105
wish you could post the site you found this article

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normapapuma 11.19.08 at 6:53 am

Just drop by on the way to work:

A couple of days ago I fwd’d an AP article from Honolulu about Obamination not going to his Grandma’s funeral/memorial to our local station am radio show and host is covering it today!
Read ya later!

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Notyoursweetie 11.19.08 at 7:10 am

A new kick in the guts for Roe – aren’t we glad it’s Obama and not that evil Palin?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/roe-gets-another-kick-in-the-guts-will-obama-do-something/

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BrianH 11.19.08 at 7:20 am

turndownobama 11.19.08 at 5:34 am

BrianH 11.19.08 at 3:56 am
It’s a very interesting observation that only the newspapers and TV and radio stations that accommodate or cater to conservative views are surviving and thriving financially. All the heavy hitters of the left, from ABCCBSNBCMSNBC to NYT and LAT and WaPo, are crashing and sinking in red ink. Meanwhile, FOX and WSJ and WaTimes and talk radio stations are strong and getting stronger
==================

Do you have a theory why that’s happening? Conservative media subsidized by the big money interests? Too many liberal media, the liberal audience is spread too thin?//
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Much simpler. The liberal media are so blatantly biased that people don’t read or listen or watch. What’s the point if you know in advance what they’re going to put out? The centrist or conservative media are also getting much more actual news out, and are much less covert and disingenuous when they editorialize. Which is to say, they are more honest.

Face it, some of the icons of the liberal media go out of their way to prostitute themselves. Chris Matthews’ leg tingle will live in infamy.

As to big money subsidies, there isn’t enough money in the country to save bad media. The backers of the NYT have deep pockets, but it is failing fast anyway. Advertisers won’t pay to reach audiences that aren’t there. Evidently they are getting audience and response from the center/right media, because they’re paying up for ads in them.

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BrianH 11.19.08 at 7:23 am

turndownobama 11.19.08 at 5:41 am

brianH quoted LogisticsMonster: Please take a moment to think about this; she did not have to campaign her soul out for him, did she? She does not have to take the position of SOS, does she?
================

No; perhaps yes.

Campaigning and SOS are two dfferent sitautions. Helping Obama get elected was unnecessary and disappointing. Now that he is elected, keeping him from starting WWIII may be necessary.//
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Or giving the country away to Islam International Rampant. Good luck to her; she and we will need it.

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BrianH 11.19.08 at 7:30 am

CJ 11.19.08 at 5:52 am

sandipuma 11.19.08 at 2:53 am

…………………
#105
wish you could post the site you found this article//
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It’s from Martin’s own site:
http://www.contrariancommentary.com/community/Home/tabid/36/mid/363/newsid363/318/Default.aspx

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BrianH 11.19.08 at 7:39 am

This election has proved you can fool enough of the people enough of the time.

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sue66 11.19.08 at 7:53 am

I don’t know whether to laugh or bitch about the following article. A long article on MO’s style and how finally after two decades, style in a first lady has come back. Unbelievable. Apparently Hillary and Laura were a pair of hayseeds that should not have been let out without someone to dress them.
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/CanadaWorld/2008/11/19/7458081-sun.html

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gypsy rebel 11.19.08 at 8:18 am

sue66 I’m going to be nice today:

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear!

:lol:

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gojoyknocks 11.19.08 at 8:28 am

sue66…Makes me cry. Tears of rage.

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gypsy rebel 11.19.08 at 8:36 am

For those interested, I posted this Rally. I just feel we should remind our government that we cannot afford to pay for illegal immigrants. They do not pay taxes, but can use our medical facilities, etc. (for free many times) They get jobs that others may need, etc. If you do not feel the same, just ignore the Rally.
Thanks.

http://www.rallycongress.com/savetheusa/726/

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mkp651 11.19.08 at 8:43 am

Good Morning Pumas. Just a quick note, last night my 7 year old grandsons homework was on Susan B. Anthony! He had to read a little story and then answer some questions. I was so excited, we went on the internet and found some more information and also printed a picture of her house that he added to his homework. He said his teacher talked alot yesterday about how women had to fight to get the right to vote. I wrote her a little note thanking her for teaching these little second graders about women issues.

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gypsy rebel 11.19.08 at 8:49 am

mkp651 Sounds like a good teacher!! Need more like her!

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BrianH 11.19.08 at 8:49 am

sue66;
as a male non-expert on women’s fashions, I can only say that her look is gawky and derivative to me. Like she’s putting on some kind of airs or show but is seething about it on the inside, and knows she’s not quite carrying it off.

But I may be reading way too much into the glimpses I’ve had. I’ve come to the point, like others, where I can’t bear to look or listen to either of them for more than a few seconds at at time.

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AniEm 11.19.08 at 8:54 am

PUMA was formed to counteract the Obama candidacy. The allegations of PUMAs as racists or “clandestine” Republicans is absurd, but those lies are actually indicative of the impact that PUMA has had in a short time. The reactions against detractors of Governor Palin and Senator Clinton also indicate that voters loathe smear-politics-as-usual promoted by the media and by both political parties, especially given the national crises we face at this time. Despite the pitfalls, I would like to see Clinton as SOS since she can be trusted to rein the stupidity and grandiosity of both the President and Vice-President elect in a turbulent international arena.

I hope PUMA joins forces with The New Agenda to provide a safer environment for women in politics in the future. Don’t lose sight of the fact that PUMA was instrumental in leading us to question and scrutinize media propaganda and political parties. We’ve made an important in-road and trail-blazing, while never easy, means that others will follow.

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TrishfromCanada 11.19.08 at 9:08 am

sue66 11.19.08 at 7:53 am

The bigger question is that the ecomony is in the toilet, the future is unknown, unemployment is rising and all the press cares about is what wardrobe Mo will buy once in the whitehouse. Very sad indeed.

I am sitting back and waiting to learn which charity she will work with, that’s a whole new concept for her and well outside her realm. I’m willing to bet she chooses a black charity, she needs some form of comfort in this new world.

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TexasTigress 11.19.08 at 9:10 am

MURPHY

I want to digress for a minute and put my 2 cents in on the “feminist ” label . I have long held the opinion that feminist and feminism in general has never been enough . In everything women have ever had to do , they have never been required to be equal to men . We have ALWAYS had to be BETTER in order to get half of the recognition .
Every single man on earth was born through the pain of a woman .And Whether she gave birth in the fields or after a 15 hour labor , she did it alone , even when she was surrounded by family and her spouse , the pain was hers – alone .
As each woman examines her own personal herstory , the physical , emotional, and societal hurdles annointed to her by virtue of her sex have required her to do more , be more and acheive more than ANY man – even if her sole occupational choice is that of wife and mother .
From childbirth , to withstanding torture through feetbinding or vaginal mutilation , to Ginger Rodgers dancing every step with Fred Astaire backwards and in heels to General Dunwoody who had to work 33 years and hold 2 grad . degrees and multiple service medals to be recognized , my observation of women in society is that striving to be “equal” to men is a demotion from the reality that women are , by birth , infinitely superior .
I believe that the struggle to be recognized as equal to our male counterparts is an illusion created by a patriarchial society that if fully aware of the complex capabilities of ALL women and it scares the shit out of them .
I used to use the word feminist to describe myself until I was placed in a position where I KNEW that being equal to my coworkers, my fellow Marines , who obviously enlisted with a meritorious medal via their Y chromosome , would NEVER be enough to advance my career .
Women have to be better – so we are . Since that time I turned in my ‘feminist’ title to the upgraded , and more appropriate moniker , “Philogynist” . it is the OPPOSITE OF mysogynist and one who esteems women as a HIGHER type of humanity .

Of course I am “always wrong” but I am very passionate in my misguided incorrectness ;) lol

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murphy 11.19.08 at 9:32 am

i like it TT — sounds like dwp’s term: womanist. when she finally gets out of bed I hope she weighs in.

everybody hates the clintons posted.

take it upstairs!

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Heneri 11.19.08 at 9:37 am

TT:
You make many good points. One point that I have always tried to get across to my daughters: Don’t ever think you have to ask a man for permission to succeed. They are not the one in charge of YOU. YOU are in Charge of YOU. No matter who puts up the obstacles, you are the one who can tear them down. Don’t ask for their permission; just do whatever it is that you do with all your might. Give yourself permission to succeed.

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CyberFerret52 11.21.08 at 2:06 am

Pumas’
I have to tell you, here lately this looks like a gay/lesbian/trans gender site. Now, I don’t have anything against these folks but, the moderates of America also include…men…straight females and males and…anyone in between…
In short, who do you represent? Yourselves or all of moderate America? All of moderate America equals eighty percent of this country. If you intend too have a voice… you also need the rest of us!! I’m just sayin…

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