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Us auto industry asking for LOAN .
Very different from Banking bailout . Take a look at the ramifications of a US auto industry collapse …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72cHfOKoA1c&eurl

sistermoon3 11.17.08 at 9:14 am

im not asking Obama for anything, period.
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Wish I could say the same , but I wake up every morning and ask him to kiss my ass …

http://www.fritzyfund.org/
If you haven’t already done so, please check out Fritzie’s photo and donate to help!!! SAVE THE KITTY!

I am a Liberal 100-50

gypsy rebel
yep im a lib…lol

I like that even better ( fingerprints )

CJ 11.17.08 at 9:10 am

prowlland 11.17.08 at 8:46 am

sue66 I think everyone in the US should be automaticly registered to vote…. and you would use you SS number to vote
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S/S can be altered. I prefer fingerprints (can be surgically changed OUCH!) or DNA. I like that one! A DNA strip on a photo I.D. must be American but we know that don’t we.

prowlland A conservative leaning centrist…..??

CJ When I worked at a Fed Credit Union, there was research done for identification – it appears that “eyes” cannot be duplicated (short of surgery)…….

Murphy – I think that article is pretty accurate Re ; the situation of the Big 3 . Many people still are stuck in the mindset that the UAW workers an GM have been complacant over the last several years as far as cutting cost , and increasing fule efficiency , and that is just not the case . The workers have increased thier workload to the point where injuries occur daily , have had their healthcare cut and their wages decreased over the last 10 years . The big 3 has sold off thier supply parts operations (Delco etc) into small companies in order to further decrease wages and Union bargaining powers . Almost every vehicle GM makes is , at least,flex fuel .
They have a long way to go , but with the banking failure , it caused several collapses in the supply chain , prohibiting the big 3 from getting parts on a “just in time basis” , car sales tanked and credit was frozen .
The auto industry would not be in this situation today if it weren’t for the banking crisis ….
In otherwords , I don’t think anyone anticipated how far reaching the affects of Fannie and Freddie would be …
Thanks for the article – I saved it .

http://jbjd.wordpress.com/

Re: How one courageous soldier can find out whether barack obama is a natural born citizen under article ii of the U.S. constitution and stop the electoral college from voting for him, if he is not
Our military and defense budget should be administered by a legitimate U. S. President. No one has verified Presidential candidate Barack Obama is a natural born citizen as required by the U.S. Constitution. Yet the Electoral College is poised to cast their votes for him on December 15. Given the complicated legal and documentary analysis required to establish his eligibility, what is needed immediately is a full airing of his legal status in federal court. This means filing a suit that would survive a challenge to standing. And given the recent pronouncements by the court in the several cases now pending, Plaintiffs who could establish standing necessary to force this inquiry are members of the military or National Guard scheduled for deployment or about to be scheduled for deployment to a combat zone; and members of their families….

centrist

Bring America Better Days by:

1. Respecting and following the US Constitution.

2. Fiscal Responsibility and Fiscal Sanity.

3. A Strong Military and Defense and winning the War on Terror.

4. The Best Educational System in the World for the 21st Century and Beyond.

5. Immigration Reform-Encourage and Help Legal Immigrants while ending illegal immigration.

6. Real Sustainable Environmental and Energy Solutions.

7. Affordable Health Care Options available to all Americans.

8. Tax Reform for economic growth and justice.

9. Real Campaign Finance Reform and Redistricting Reform. You should not have to be a millionaire to run for public office.

10. Economic and Trade Policies that advance the American worker and American economy, not sell them out.

hahaha this is a new twist:

Don’t be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama’s ineligibility to be President.
Since Barack Obama’s father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator
Obama’s birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen “at birth”, just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore,
even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that’s why the Framers declared that,
while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not “natural born Citizens”. Hence their inclusion of the grandfather
clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall
be eligible to the Office of President;

That’s it right there. (Emphasis added.)

The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn’t want future generations to be Governed by a Commander
In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all,
create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the
jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the
American Revolution to be free of.

The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as “natural born Citizens”, so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the
limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.

But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the
US at the time the Constitution was adopted.

The Framers distinguished between “natural born Citizens” and all other “Citizens”. And that’s why it’s important to note the 14th
Amendment only confers the title of “Citizen”, not “natural born Citizen”. The Framers were Citizens, but they weren’t natural born Citizens.
They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document.

Since the the Framers didn’t consider themselves to have been “natural born Citizens” due to their having been subject to British
jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot
be considered a “natural born Citizen” of the United States.

I wander if that Opinionist got paid for that??!! (Is that a word?)

Murphy , what Tom is lacking is an understanding of what really happens if the big 3 are allowed to file for bankruptcy . If you noticed , it was the UAW president , Ron Gettlefinger , meeting with Nancy pelosi to beg for the loan .
This is because if they are allowed to filed for bankruptcy , it makes their union contracts null and void . they will be able to decrease retirements and healthcare in order to cover their debt . any responsibility they have to provide their workers with sub pay , retirement benifits is out the window . They can close up and move all of their opperations out of the country without so much as a FU to the workers …

Judical
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleiii.html
and the Amendment
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html ( read section 3 about congress with 2/3 vote can disable)
also:
ARTICLE II SECTION I
http://www.law.emory.edu/law-library/research/ready-reference/us-federal-law-and-documents/historical-documents-constitution-of-the-united-states.html#c7660
Obama’s fulfillment of the requirements to serve as the President of the United States laid out in Article II, Section I of The United States Constitution

add to 31

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

wow it really does say that on Obamas fight the smear:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

petition signed

petition signed!

Good Morning Pumas!

woohoo – action baby.

I hope that this latest law suit against oblowme really works

This is the political position test that I’ve used in the past, although it’s been a few years now. I think it’s more accurate. Click on this link, then click on “Take The Test” in the left had sidebar:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

oops forgot the site….http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

OBAMA NEEDS BUSH FOR AUTO BAILOUT?

The one thing to look for, the one big red flag, a marker to throw down now with regards to Obama and the bailout is, if the bailout doesn’t happen now and Obama comes to office and doesn’t do it himself, its going to be a sign that his seemingly pathological insincerity is real. If he thinks the bailout is a good idea, then let him do it when he comes to office and let the results will be what they will be. But if, after pushing Bush to sign a bailout bill, he doesn’t do it himself, then the next 4 years are going to be lost years with Obama doing what he is done his whole political life — nothing.
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/

With its myriad subcontractors, GM keeps 2.5 million people employed. But automakers, losing $2 billion to $3 billion a month, and their congressional supporters, pleaded for a slice of Treasury’s $700 billion rescue package.

President-elect Obama favors supporting the auto industry with a greater economic stimulus. In a nutshell, GM’s assembly line workers cost the company $77 an hour (including all benefits); Toyota, in its U.S. plants, does the same job more efficiently at $46 an hour. GM, Ford, and Chrysler will run out of cash by next summer.

http://newsmax.com/borchgrave/global_ec … 51346.html

Without the UNITED AUTO WORKERS and the big three car makers Obama would never have won the election.

Now the BIG THREE car makers and the UNITED AUTO WORKERS UNION want the tidy little sum $25,000,000,000.00 for handing the election to Obama. But they need George Bush to make it happen.

If you think they should go bankrupt and rebuild on a new and much more improved foundation, call the WHITEHOUSE / PRESIDENT BUSH today and everyday until this additional bailout is defeated.

The White House Phone Numbers are:

Comments: 202-456-1111

Switchboard: 202-456-1414

FAX: 202-456-2461

TTY/TDD MR. PRESIDENT JUST SAY NO TO THE AUTOMAKERS.

There is a petition to sign and other actions at http://wedidnotvoteforobama.com/index.php

Prowlland – from downstairs #147
I think that’s the way it basically works. SS number is on the tax forma nd is used for voter registration. At the polls photo ID with an address is shown. All the paperwork and registration is already done from income tax returns. This works for federal and provincial.

My political compass:
Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05
NOTE: You can save your chart by right clicking on your chart and
clicking “Save Picture As”.

Click on this link, then click on “Take The Test” in the left had sidebar: http://www.politicalcompass.org/

How dare they vet Bill Clinton. What don’t they already know about him? See, already this morning BO has got my dander up. This is going to be a long 4 years.

TexasTigress 11.17.08 at 9:15 am

sistermoon3 11.17.08 at 9:14 am

im not asking Obama for anything, period.
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Wish I could say the same , but I wake up every morning and ask him to kiss my ass
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Good Morning Pumas, nice to start of with a good laugh.
Thanks to TT.
LOL, Well I could ask him to do that TexasTiger!

I also just discovered that I am a Libertarian according to the quiz posted by Murphy #1

RECOMMENDED PROWL – AUDIT OBAMA

I am a single Mom with a full time job and I just do not have the time to organize a prowl, auditing Obama’s Campaign, but I do know how to at least start it. The first step would be to file complaints with the FEC about Excessive Contributions. And there are plenty.

I would suggest that we organize by state with participants taking responsibility for searching last names starting with specific letters of the alphabet.

Opensecrets.org has a great search function: http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.php

You have to limit the search to under 1000 results. In most cases this would be to specify the state and a single letter of the alphabet. For larger states, you may need to do two, as in a,ab,ac,ad,ae…

Look through the list and find those names totalling over $2300. Select the area and print out the name with amounts and information.

We can gather them up for submission or you can submitt them yourselves. It requires a notarized cover letter to the FEC.

I started doing this and was shocked by how many there are.

TexasTigress
What has been happening here is they first eliminate the midnight shift. A few months later, day shift comes to work and the gates are locked and the equipment has been moved out overnight. The workers then try to fight for severance but rarely win. Reason, Mexico is cheaper. The Union has given a lot of concessions but this is what they get.

Murphy – when you begin to regulate speech in a country , you are going down a very slippery slope . Remember Salamon Rushdi ?
it owuld be nice if you could only regulate speech that we disagree with , but like right now , we are not the ones who would be doing the regulating , and I am sure some of our speech is less than welcome in some political circles …

murphy 11.17.08 at 10:55 am
I want to make misogyny a hate crime dwp, including misogynistic speech — so i think in fact i AM in favor of some government censorship . .
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I’m with you all the way, Murphy (like it or not! )

DancesWithPumas 11.17.08 at 10:44 am
…….
so many questions that couldn’t be answered with a simple agree disagree…felt pushed into an answer. They spelled civilized wrong…
misleading questions…but took the test anyway and they made me answer those that I could not…
Forgot my score…libertarian -3.00 Authoritarian -2.97
rather be with Ghandi than Hitler……..shit

I’m Liberal on the quiz – 70/30. Thought I’d be more centrist.

TerryDo 11.17.08 at 11:02 am

prowlland 11.17.08 at 9:45 am
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lol glad I’m a Libertarian according to this test http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html

I’ve got a 5th grade math problem here but it’s more fun to enter the answer in excel and then sign your name to the list…the problem is it’s in my email and I don’t know how to get it here……… ?????

TexasTigress 11.17.08 at 11:12 am
sue66 – I used to be in bargaining in the UAW . People have no idea how the workers have bent over backwards to make the company profitable. they have taken pay and healthcare cuts and added to each person’s job to the point where it is no longer even safe to work in some areas .
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I think it was around ten years ago (feels like) when one of the Big three was in trouble, yet again. They asked the workers to take a salary cut, which they did. When the company turned a profit, the ceo et al all received mulit-million dollar bonuses. The works>? Nothing.

The Big Three never listened to consumers, that’s part of teh reason they keep failing. In the 70s, during the gas “shortage” (my ass), Detroit kept turning out 4 wheeled yachts, where Japan was turning out fuel economic vehicles.

All bankruptcies harm workers. I’m in favor of a loan… barring that, let them go under. No bail out. It’s called free trade, survival of the fittest.

CJ:

I found myself in the same position: I don’t know what I am.

I agree on this at this time, and I disagree with a change of circumstances for this time, about the SAME SUBJECT:

I couldn’t understand where I stood with DANCES:—-I think her’s had me left, and the other one: Centrist.

I more centrist because of the AGREE this time/diagree next time thingy.

michelina 11.17.08 at 11:23 am
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I didn’t like being up there with Hitler…geeze…
but the box was the Libertarian box…
-3.00 Libertarian and -2.97 authoritarian… I think
doesn’t sound so good….

BigCatLover 11.17.08 at 10:43 am

I have a question about the petition from Women/Count. How confident are we that if a commission on women is formed, that it will not be headed by the type women who supported Obama and trashed the 2 female candidates in this year’s race? Will that really do any good for women’s issues as a whole. I know I ask alot of questions on here and rarely get answers, but I am a very curious person, especially about the details of an issue. Thanks.
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I think you can be confident that all participants would be Obama supporters. I participated in the White House Conference for Children under Reagan. All participants were chosen carefully – in other words, from what I could determine, all Reagan supporters, even though we had slight differences on issues.

A commission on women under Obama would probably include Caroline Kennedy and she may push her Service Nation goals as to what women should do with their mandatory “volunteer” stint. See: http://pumapac.org/forums/breaking-news/ posts 65 and 67 for more info on Service Nation.

I do not want a commission on women under the Obama Administration.

jenniforhillary 11.17.08 at 11:25 am
Well, it’s official..I’m 100% PUMA (80% fucking mean, 20% sort of mean)
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LOL!!

I had really thought we had come a ways in the equality category. Most of us work outside the home, most of us have worked hard to become educated. Most of us take personal responsibility in things that were once left up to the other gender. We have contributed, paid our dues, done all the things we thought were required of us to prove ourselves as equals.

Then BOOM! this election set me back on my heels. It is a crushing disappointment to find that all our hard work really didn’t matter. Not to the foaming at the mouth press people who would throw one of our own under the bus in a minute in the name of racial equality. Not to the people, including women like Pelosi, Boxer, and organizations like NOW, who would step aside and allow blatent gender bias to be practiced right out in the open, even condoning the bullying and lying on two qualified female candidates, one for president and the other for vice president.

The disgust and anger that has built up inside of me is ready to explode in ways that I don’t want it to. I am tired of doing what is right hoping someone will notice. I am tired of fighting the fight in silence so that my daughters and granddaughter will have what I thought we all were achieving and had achieved. I am ready to become openly angry, confrontational and mean when necessary. Mostly, I won’t just let them paper over this and go on as usual. From now on, they have to do more than lip service.

prowlland 11.17.08 at 9:49 am

May I vote for you?

murphy 11.17.08 at 9:18 am

Bill Clinton being vetted apparently, so Hillary as sec of state is still on the table,

bah, I hope she stays in the Senate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/us/politics/17memo.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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I think BO is doing this so he can have control over Bill Clinton also if he picks Hillary. I think there is much more behind him checking out Bill than is on the surface.

I think the misogyny this election was a shock to all of us who have been around for awhile and remember the feminism wars, but I don’t think going after it via women’s issues is the way to turn it around. I think we must target the media and make them pay financially and publicly for their anti certain women stances and also reforming the political parties so that the corruptest asses don’t automatically win all the power in both parties. After that and because of those changes, women can more easily change the handling of them in the media and party politics. In other words, the more we push for a particular group, the easier it is for them to push back and demonize what seems to be a narrow focus issue fight.

BigCatLover 11.17.08 at 11:00 am
I just got a call from an U S Census taker who has been coming by and calling me for about 4 months now. Most of the questions were about my actions during the election campaign. How and how much had I participated, what kind of news outlets did I watch and read, and when and in what format did I vote. If Obama had been in office, I would have been very suspicious of the motive for these questions. There were also questions about my community involvement and how often had I talked to family and friends about the election campaign. Interesting.
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We don’t have another US Census until 2010. Your “census taker” sounds more like someone from Camp Obama trying to determine how you fit in to their national service act.

I just don’t remember being asked about party affiliation or behavior. What I can remember is age, gender, marital status, race and info about my home

I thought there were only two ways to answer the census questions. First, they send you a questtionaire (sp?) and if you don’t answer it, they send someone to your home.

Murphy, thank you for this and may I make a suggestion? I thought of this too late for myself, but when you sign the petition, there is a place for comments. I wish I had put something there about being a PUMA and PUMAPac.
Maybe you could suggest it?

MURPHY HELP!!!

Perhaps you can assist me in my search; I wish to dedicate my time and effort strictly for the rejuvenation of the Women’s Only Party.
I do no respect the NOW movement and have not for a long time.

From the demise of NOW, there has to be a new and improved Women’s Party that addresses ONLY the issues which affect women.
In North America we have the right to vote, we have control over our own bodies and slowly but surely we are making inroad in business, government and education.

What I am looking for, is a Women’s Party that is focused only on Women’s Issues, whether these issues be for women, who are single, married, single parent, lesbians and all the way up to nuns! Just thought I would throw the nuns in for emphasis women are women….
As most of you know, I am one of Pumas International Members from Montreal, Canada and I wanted Senator Hillary R. Clinton to be elected president.
As I watched in horror as they abused her on CNN and MSNBC, the only relief I found for Hillary was on Fox News, you know the “Fair and Balanced” network, which I was not a previous fan of Fox.
And while posting my angry comments on CNN and ABC blogs, I kept reading comments from PumaPac and of course I investigate and then immediately joined, to help out to the best of my abilities, being a Canadian, via donatons, emails, faxes etc.

As a Clinton supporter I took it personally for her, and as a female I took it personally for myself and every other female that has been man handled and pushed aside.

And these are the reason I want to get back to my feminist roots, A Women’s Party that is like the Phoenix and I want to make sure it never recedes back, into a complacent non-effective Organization such as NOW.

So, Murphy or anyone else, could you please direct me to a growing and strong women’s group, that I can affect…
Thanking you in advance for you help,

Yeah now they want to localize the radio air ways no free speech.
I’m telling you by the time obama is finished we will have no constition.
Remember the photo of him not putting his hand on his heart when the pledge of allegiance is recited. He is telling you something folks,
he doesn’t give a damn about america or americans or our constitution mark my words.. we must act now…

i’m with you KarenWI

Woodie So if someone could write up a Rally Congress that would help. I don’t write worth a darn, but I sure know how to sign a petition!! Whaddya think?

scarlet 11.17.08 at 11:43 am

The census taker has been contacting me for months. I dodged her for several weeks until she finally caught up with me and she had alot of id. I’ve talked to her in person aqnd talked to her supervisor. All previous questions have been about employment, this is the first time she asked about election activities.

Michelina

I’m not assuming anything about the women’s commission, where did that come from? I agree it probably does no harm to ask for a women’s commission, but the petition is too general and does not try to focus the mission of the commission, so while it is a start, it doesn’t seem very effective in it’s goals.

I took the first quiz (post 1)
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 60%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 50%.

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is…

Centrist

PS the last couple of weeks anyway,

I’m sure next month or after inauguration, we’ll find out differently.

murphy 11.17.08 at 11:54 am

terry do. you’re already here.

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I am beginning to find that PuamPac is too spread out, this is not a critique, just an observation.

And if as you say Murphy, that Pumas are the new party strictly for women’s issues, then there needs to be a definite Mission Statement reflecting Pumas’ goals and directions.
Then we would be able to email our friends and women organization saying, Do you believe women should do such and such and have a strong voice in corporate, political and educational matters then come and join our new party…

Did anyone catch this from the NY Mag Comments:

Actually, this is a spot-on rebuke of sexist stereotyping, which alas will itself be attacked as sexist by the always-indignant PUMAs.

TEXAS RADIO STATION APOLOGIZES TO LISTENERS FOR UNHINGED “PUMA” BROADCAST.

http://kpft.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/wtf-was-that/
Report
By GhostDance on 11/17/2008 at 10:06am

Has anyone seen this?
Last night (Nov. 13, 2008), KPFT aired a program about which General Manager Duane Bradley and I have received a slew of email and calls. As Program Director, I wanted to offer an apology to those who may have been offended by perceptions of slights to listeners who called in, and provide a brief explanation to listeners about Thursday night’s special.

During the timeslot normally occupied by The Other Side, a host who identified herself as Jennifer (one listener pointed me to this online thread for more information — the host is reportedly “jenniforhillary” and “murphy” was the guest) did a program on the organization PUMA (People United Means Action) with its founder, Darragh Murphy. PUMA is the organization formerly known by Party Unity My Ass, which refused to support Barack Obama in the presidential election over issues related to Hillary Clinton.

The show opened with its host stating she was a former Democrat who voted straight-ticket Republican this year. The show itself continued with a brief interview and a call-in segment that was at some points civil, but was frankly mostly ugly, with frequent interruptions and shouting. Once the show was done, the general manager and I received a flood of calls and email, all of it negative, about the tone of the program, the treatment of callers and actions of the host and guest.

The aired program was a pledge fulfillment from a previous drive, the details of which are a bit involved to get into. What listeners heard was a one-time program. To put to rest the most popular question, The Other Side is coming back next week in the timeslot listeners are used to hearing it. The Other Side has not been canceled.

The second most popular question I have received was: are these people serious?

Perhaps that question is couched in the knowledge that The Other Side is infamous for all flavors of satire. From The Other Side co-host Staci Davis’ stint on the show in-character as Sarah Palin to Glen Urbach’s sarcastic rants about the GOP, The Other Side is known for over-the-top humor. Perhaps the question is also steeped in the opinion (as some indicated) that the allegations offered are almost a year old, seem moot given Obama’s victory Nov. 4, and have been virtually disowned by Clinton herself.

In the case of last night’s program, the individuals on the air are real and sincere in their beliefs.

Almost every listener call and email cited the manner callers were treated as problematic. Examples of yelling matches, people talking over callers they disagreed with or disputed an account from, etc. were cited by listeners.

Days prior to the program, I did provide a copy of KPFT’s policies to our in-studio guest, including our phone call policy. Point four of those policies states “Regulate calls fairly… Do not cut off or hang up on callers.” In addition, prior to the program, I was told that all efforts would be made to keep the conversation principled and depersonalized so to best represent the organization. With that knowledge (and having provided station policy beforehand), I admit I did not believe I needed to direct anyone to refrain from shouting at a caller or cutting anyone off. My mistake.

I do not believe the host or guest were willfully misleading in their statements to me about how they wanted the conversation to go. Being in the studio and discussing issues in which one has a personal stake, I have found, makes people react in unusual ways.

Following the program, for which I was the board operator, I advised the host on appropriate handling of calls. KPFT listeners expect to be given an opportunity to talk, debate and dialogue because that is part of community radio’s culture. One spends more time cutting off (in the process alienating listeners) and arguing with a caller whose version of events you dispute, I explained to the host, than one does by simply letting the caller talk and correcting disagreements after they have finished a sentence. I felt Jennifer accepted that feedback well.

Given listener response, I doubt we will do this kind of show again. And though I’m reluctant to spend lots of time writing about it and thus drawing more attention to a late-evening hour of programming, I believe it best to give listeners some answers to their concerns. I appreciate all the calls and email the station has received. We do listen.
http://kpft.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/wtf-was-that/

EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE …. _UCK THEM if they were offended! The only ones that would be offended are those brain washed Obots!
I did not hear the program, so I am asumming.

murphy 11.17.08 at 9:18 am

Bill Clinton being vetted apparently, so Hillary as sec of state is still on the table,
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Bill Clinton being vetted by that O…………Bwahahahaha what a freakin’ joke!

Who vetted obie? Where did his money come from………

From post above … Second, most popular question … “were they serious”?? Yes! They had to be Obots mimicing Joe Biden on that interview in Florida by a local TV station. That was all he could say as well.

This was in the Austin Newspaper about the caucus in Texas. When we have early voting in Texas and they hold a caucus at a bar near the UT(Austin) campus, then we need to get rid of it. Only one TV station reported on the story.

DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Some voters want Texas’ primary-caucus system to end
By W. Gardner Selby

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Saturday, November 15, 2008

Dozens of voters on Friday advocated scrapping Texas’ controversial system of holding post-primary caucuses to award some presidential delegates.

But the leader of a state Democratic Party panel that heard them indicated that he’s not yet sold on such a step.

State Sen. Royce West of Dallas said that if the committee ultimately supports continuing the caucus system, it would probably urge boosting participation by shifting the caucuses from the Tuesday night of primaries to the following Saturday. He also expects the panel to recommend making caucus sites accessible to voters with disabilities.

“Those are the only two things I’m certain about at this point,” West said.

The hearing took place more than eight months after nearly 1 million Texas voters acted twice to help their favored Democratic presidential candidate — voting in the primary, then attending a precinct caucus.

The Texas party’s unusual combination of primary voting followed by caucuses, in place since 1988 , gave Sen. Barack Obama more Texas delegates to the Democratic National Convention in August despite losing the state’s March primary vote to Sen. Hillary Clinton.

Participants in the hearing at the Texas AFL-CIO Building in Austin cheered former Attorney General Jim Mattox , who said the caucus feature needs reform.

“You’re not dealing with a Gordian knot here,” Mattox told the panel. “This is not something you can’t untie.”

Mattox, a Clinton delegate to the national convention, called the caucuses an embarrassment to the party.

Under the two-step approach, presidential candidates are awarded two-thirds of their pledged delegates based on voting at the polls and another one-third based on turnout at the caucuses.

The state’s March 4 primary seemed pivotal in the presidential race.

Clinton’s wins in the popular vote in Texas and Ohio that day enabled her campaign to soldier on, while Obama’s grasp of more Texas delegates helped him hold his lasting national lead.

Gilbert Hinojosa, a panel member from Brownsville, said he’s not sure about curtailing the caucuses, which some activists view as an invaluable party-building tool.

“I worked my heart out for Hillary” for president, he said. “But Barack Obama would not be president of the United States today had he not beaten her pants off in the caucuses.”

The hearing had been billed as a final chance to advise the panel.

But West announced hearings are scheduled in Houston, San Antonio and Dallas, with recommendations for party leaders to be reached by the end of March.

Generally, West said, he’s heard mixed reviews of the party’s so-called Texas two-step. “I’m hearing a combination of ‘get rid of it’ or ‘change it,’ ” he said.

wgselby@statesman.com; 445-3644
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/local/11/15/1115demprimary.html

okay PUMAS…my phone has been ringing OFF ITS HOOK…

Murphy–can we do a prowl on KPFT?

BTW, I am organizing my HOUSTON friends to call KPFT and email the whole week…

AND this, my sweet PUMA FRIENDS, is a Liberal radio station.

READ MY LIPS KPFT…YOU are part of the problem and you MUST be broken down, re-educated, and only then can you speak for WOMEN and for INTELLIGENT PEOPLE!!

Murphy and Billie Jo,

I wrote on yesterdays post … On Fox News, I heard most of the commentators saying that “if Hillary takes the position of SOS, Obama will have eliminated his largest political rivalry. I hope Hillary does NOT fall 4 it! I feel as though BO is setting the stage for 2012.

Thus Barack Obama will get credit for having considered Hillary Clinton to be the nation’s top diplomat and none of the blame when it doesn’t happen. Mr. Obama may be good at shooting hoops on the basketball court, but his real skill is in the political head fake.”
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Someone owes me a nickel from the bet we made.

Been lurking all week-end after my Friday night diatribe of cursing like a drunken sailor.

Anyway- I am a Centrist- no surprise to me. My obot husband also scored as a centrist, which he is disputing- likes to call himself a left liberal (we both are socially left).

Our Phoenix protest of Prop 8 was very peaceful and enjoyable- we brought our two kids, 9 and 11 and had so many people thank us for our “straight” support as well as bringing the kids.

I posted on NY Magazine.

Also Murphy- thanks for the WSJ article on why HRC will not be SOS- took all of my notions and laid them out beautifully.

Anyone catch Obie last night on 60 Minutes? I couldn’t watch it, my obot husband did but we don’t talk about anything Obama so I don’t know what was said. I get a stomach ache watching him and she really turns me off- not because she is a woman- just because I can’t stand her! I don’t think she should be subjected to misogynistic remarks but I am happy to point out all of her short comings to anyone who wants to listen.

Laura who?

admin 11.17.08 at 12:58 pm
I intend to pretend we dont HAVE a first lady for the next 4 years of Prez Detour.

Worked for me with laura bush
…………….
Worked for me with Bush and will again for the Obama’s

I would like to see the Equal Rights Amendment Bill come up again in front of congress. When we did it in the 70s i believe, it almost got ratified. 3 states would not go along with it. What 3 i dont remember that was 38 yrs. ago…but research would tell you…

Well i found it:

http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/

apparently some women’s group is on it. how do you like that?

Murphy-

What would it mean to re-visit the ERA amendment?

What exactly would it do for women? I am all for equal rights but I wonder what ratification of the amendment would really mean? Wouldn’t there still be pervasive sexism, that the media and others could pretend was not there? Like NOW and NARAL and PP have done w/ their endorsement of the chosen one?

If it would further our cause, I would be all for it but I hate to spin my wheels for naught. I devoted hours and hours of the last 11 months to defeat Obie and look where that got me.

Not that I regret a minute working against him- I just want to devote my time in a forward moving way- does that make sense?

CJ,

Thank you for your opinion! I was greatly disturbed when I saw the magnitude of the “socialist” party thing! What was even more scary to me was … I thought that I was looking at an Obama site. Everything he is FOR – they are FOR! I knew that yall would know more about this sort of thing than I would and could shed some light on this for me. Thanks for responding!

Gosuef: I agree, they have 12 million members, and WTF did they so while they were trashing HILLARY and SARAH 24/7,

Equal Rights, absolutely, but not with these people. They didn’t need our votes, they don’t need any of our fireken money either, which is all they’ll ask for anyway.

I DID not realize these people were so financially strong, no wonder they’re thick, they’ve lost sight of their existence, with this election.

Huong:

Nothing for me, and I formally asked
PS: I honestly didn’t want it back,—but as long as the DNC is in place as they are today——i won’t give them one DAMNED HARD EARNED CENT———-

Speaking of the obamamoneybeggars…
obama gave his campaign staff bonuses equal to one month’s salary, and allowed them to keep the campign issues cellphones and computers. “What else would we do with the euqipment?”
ummm… donate them to disadvantaged schools… like the ones in your south chicago slum district?

THANKS DANCES: pretty word in it’s spelling.

It’s always best to punish the victim…

When the Equal rights Ammendment was being debated before, I was for it. Some women I knew thought I was nuts, and one older lady (now dead) told me to work hard and just go out and be equal. When the ERA died, I did just that. Well, my old friend Bridget, you were wrong! You died without seeing that woman in the White House, or from even seeing a woman mayor of our little town. So much for the work hard idea!

The answer is YES! I would support the ERA and Hate crime legislation that included women.

As strange as it seems, I also support the fairness doctrine. Give that one to Keith and Chris. If the fairness doctrine had been in place: for every single editorial comment they made for Obama and against Hillary they would have had to give equal time to her! When that fairness doctrine was in place before, we had more balanced news reporting. Reporters had to disclose their affiliation with a party or a cause. I think that is a good thing. Rush and Company need some balance in their spew too.

“I would hope that KPFT would be open to this, because if not we are in more trouble than I thought.”

Could be read as: “.. if not, we (PUMA) is in more trouble than I thought.”

If we are represented by the NEW NWP, then I’m with you also:

But with who are in place TODAY———-we can stand next to them, but no touching: They hated our women this election and I cannot FORGET———–

Time magazine poll for person of the year. Sarah is 1 point ahead of BO. Make sure you slide to 10
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1857576_1857573_1857553,00.html/

It needs some kind of structure that GIVES it clout. Otherwise, it will never be any more than it is now. Emphasis needs to be removed from NOW since it’s become archaic.

******** WHAT …. Jenniforhillary

I just read your letter! Mandatory for ages 18 to 42 WHAT?? I thought that it was 18 to 25

*** Well, we had better start another fund (along with the cat fund).
******THIS WILL BE THE “GET JOEY/southerngal OUT OF JAIL” FUND!

I REFUSE to do any MANDATORY anything for the BO admin! Plain and simple!

And it’s been 18 to 42 for awhile now. Just like the “new rich” at what point you start paying more taxes is now down to $75,000.

Welcome to relative reality.

Fightforfreedom 11.17.08 at 1:46 pm
Time magazine poll for person of the year. Sarah is 1 point ahead of BO. Make sure you slide to 10
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Is Senator Hillary rodham Clinton on that list?
I don’t see where obama or palin accomplished anything noteworthy this year.

Southerngal:

You and most of this country, I can’t wait to see them tell my kids (young parents)—who have nothing as it is, they have to DONATE THREE MONTHS of their TIME, and have no choice:

On PUMA radio: The 8-ball said, the 12/21/12 is the end:

YUP murphy: This is why, These wonderful Kids obama has in his mystical power, are SUDDENLY COMING BACK to EARTH>

right now, it’s just a theory Southern: but if in fact, it comes to LAW: we’ll all be bailing ourselves out.

Sorry, my person of the year is Hillary Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1857576_1857573_1857541,00.html

Fightforfreedom

Time magazine poll for person of the year. Make sure you slide to 10

Huong 11.17.08 at 1:09 pm…I just called and was told that my request went to the finance department in DC and they are looking to see if they have the finances from the primaries to refund the money. Sounds iffy to me…I’m calling every week.

For all you Republican’s that want to put your 2 cents in on what Hillary should do or not do……..here’s a poll for you!

YOU DECIDE: Should Obama Offer McCain a Job?

President-elect Barack Obama is scheduled to meet with his former political rival Sen. John McCain today. It will be the first meeting for the two men since Obama won the election on November 4.

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/17/youdecide_1117/

Dances –
My person of the year is Hillary Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1857576_1857573_1857541,00.html

Michelina and TXRepGirl … I can NOT even begin to imagine the havoc the Mandatory thing would cause. Obviously, (hence the nmae) I am in the south (Louisiana). I can just picture them coming to the door of a “good ole boys” down here and telling them that they have to give up their guns and/or go to this Manadory Civil. training! WHAT A SHOW THAT WOULD BE!

TXRep … where in TX are you? I am in Shreveport (30 min from Texas)

Please, Southerngal, drop the paranoia about commies and socialists. There are plenty of rightwing sites that make that their reason for living.

To find women’s and feminist sites, just follow blog link after blog link and read up and join communities which are like-minded.

There are going to be overlaps, and if our new feminist agenda is to drop the partisan divides then our new sisters from the right are going to have to drop their “Commies!!!!!” chew toy. As I’ve posted in the last few days, if you actually knew any socialists you would rest assured they’re not only human, but also in no danger of making their revolution real. The only ones who can collapse our society would be those in power, if they screw up the economy and our natural resources too badly.

BillieJo 11.17.08 at 2:17 pm

For all you Republican’s that want to put your 2 cents in on what Hillary should do or not do……..here’s a poll for you!

YOU DECIDE: Should Obama Offer McCain a Job?
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I have the sense that Obama is trying to eliminate Senators Clinton and McCain, two of the most intelligent and dedicated fighters for the American way of life.

I took the quiz twice. I was centrist, then libertarian, according to quiz.

Oh, and Murphy…I have that argument with my son ALL the time. His #1 issue is no censorship, and I keep trying to tell him that even the depiction of violence and sexism and porn hurts actual women and kids.

Yelling “fire!” in a crowded theater is not free speech…hate speech is similar but more difficult to determine. Scientologists aggressively prosecute people outing their cult for what it is, because in California you’re not allowed to ridicule churches…so it is a problematic question.
One critic of theirs actually had to flee to Canada to avoid imprisonment. He came back, but I’m not sure how the story ended.

“…had three kids with three different fathers,….”

dump on black women… no mention of their sperm donors though.
Leave black women the eff alone already! Wanna dump… dump on the sperm donors who do not take responsibility for the children… that goes for all sperm donors, not just black men.

dwp…I worried about chew toy because it’s associated with dogs and of course any man making that association would really get my hackles (another dog term!) up….but I love dogs, so I simply meant…time for a NEW chew toy!

Plus, seriously, if they knew any Communists, they would not be worried. When and if the “revolution” comes, it will necessarily be from within…from the people, not imposed on us. That’s the definition of revolution.

Hell, we PUMAs are in revolt right now! lol

Communism, socialism, Green Party, etc, do court women, but are just as male driven as any other political party. Women are just naturally more centrist (except I think the older we get the more extreme we become). When I told one socialist group at an antiwar march that NOW (a few years back) had gotten 1.1 million women to march in D.C. they scoffed, “oh. NOW. They’re Democrats.”

I just laughed. How are they going to have a revolution without women and centrists? Mind you, they aren’t thinking of imposing it, they think the “people” are going to evince the change.

“People” minus the majority. There’s a brain trust for you.

Oops! AlohaPuma, I apologize for misspelling your name!

Off topic – Did anyone notice when BO walked down the stairs from his plane that he was on his cellphone? Think about, the President-elect talking on a cellphone in public. Can you imagine Putin, Brown, Merkel being on their cellphones in public? In addition, in other public venues, he’s chewing gum. His behavior really cheapens the office of the Presidency. It reminds me when he carelessly tossed his flower at the 9/11 Memorial.

Off topic – Mansiongate
This is an excerpt from an article titled
How to Buy a Mansion You Can’t Afford

by City Nell 2/4/08 NoQuarterBlog
Preview – MO sat on board for Chicago Landmarks and the house that the Obamas bought falls in that category…sorry this part is long but it shows that many people had a hand in helping the Obamas acquire a property that they could not afford….

“The fact is Michelle was actively recruited for City Hall by a close friend, Valerie Jarrett, who was Mayor Daley’s Deputy Chief of Staff at that time. Valerie later became the Finance Chair of Obama’s 2004 US Senate campaign and then First Treasurer of Barack’s political action committee, Hopefund.
It helps to have friends at City Hall. Among other positions, Michelle was appointed twice to sit on the board of the Commission of Chicago Landmarks for two consecutive terms. Michelle maintained this board seat from 1998 to March 2005, although normally a member only serves one 4 year term.
Flush from the success of Barack’s speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, the Obamas decided it was time to find a residence more fitting for their anticipated new status. Barack’s 1995 autobiography Dreams of My Father soared, and they knew Alan Keyes was no threat to their future success in the US Senate elections.
Sitting on the Commission of Chicago Landmarks board, Michelle knew of a permit, waiting for review and approval to sell, for a designated Historical Georgian revival home built in 1910 with four fireplaces, glass-door bookcases fashioned from Honduran mahogany, and a 1,000-bottle wine cellar owned by a doctor in Kenwood. The Commission is supported not only by donations and taxes but also by charges for permits. It’s a pretty extensive process, and they want a complete history of the house and property when a permit is requested. Once the Board approves a permit, the application goes to the city planning or zoning commission if more than a simple sale is involved.
The doctor who owned the Kenwood home wanted more than the Obamas could afford. As Barack has stated in numerous press interviews, buying the home would be a stretch. Barack contacted his patron Tony Rezko, despite knowing he was under investigation at the time, in order to see what could be done so the Obamas could afford their dream house. Sub-division was likely the agreed-on solution. In order to divide the lot, which the doctor purchased as one entity, he would have to:
– Hire an approved architect and general contractor, who had been involved in renovations and sub-divisions in Kenwood previously
– Have the lots surveyed and new plot plans drawn
– Re-start the Landmark Commission permit approval process
– Hold a public hearing (required).
On page 51 of the Commission on Landmarks Ordinances, one finds a justification for the doctor agreeing to subdividing the land.
The applicant bears the burden of proof that the existing use of the property is economically infeasible and that the sale, rental or rehabilitation of the property is not possible, resulting the property not being capable of earning any reasonable economic return.
Pages 51 and 52 of the Landmark ordinances show how many proofs and other forms of extensive documentation are required in order to subdivide the land. Can any rational person believe the doctor would have been willing to go along with having his property sub-divided, and all the work and time involved, without compensation and assistance? Who paid for this?
With Michelle sitting on the Landmarks board, Commission approval wasn’t expected to be an issue, even though I have not located notice of the Public Hearing from any of the involved boards. From there it would go to the City Planning Board and the Zoning Boards, which also require public hearings. Each of these steps average between 6 weeks and 3 months to complete.
The doctor’s property was located in what Chicago Zoning Terms refer to as Residential Single zone 1, or RS1. This means the house the Obamas bought required 6,250 sq. ft of area. Even if it had the designation lowered to RS2, it still would have required 5,000 square feet, as seen on page 5 of Chicago’s zoning ordinances. Starting on page 8, the ordinances specify setbacks and how much space must be available on each side of a building. The open space on the building’s sides normally conform to Fire Regulations, so that equipment can access all portions of a building during crises.
Public Records at the Chicago Commission on Landmarks, the Chicago Planning Department and Chicago Zoning Boards would show the exact dates of permits, hearings and approvals. Michelle was so confident she listed the Obamas’ condo, which was located on the first floor of a Hyde Park Brownstone. In October 2004, Michelle expressed surprise to a Chicago interviewer that the Condo had sold so quickly, which meant they either had to put off a closing date or write in a lease agreement for a specified amount of time in their Condo purchase contract.
2004 was a year flush with success for the Obamas: the autobiographical book sales increased; the DNC speech had been well received; Obama won his US Senate seat; and Michelle received a recent promotion to a $316,962-a-year position as Vice President at The University of Chicago Hospitals. Their income was over 1.67 million dollars, with anticipation of even greater gains ahead.
All that needed to be done, in the name of the doctor, on the Kenwood property was completed by March 2005, and the house was finally listed. Michelle Obama resigned her seat on the Chicago Commission on Landmarks at the same time. Barack and Michelle closed on their new home in June of 2005, for $1.65 million dollars, $300,000 less than the asking price, and most likely using the proceeds of their Condo for a down payment, while taking out a mortgage for $1.32 million from Northern Trust. Tony Rezko’s wife purchased the newly divided sub-plot for the full price of $625,000 and closed on the same day.”

The full article is listed on NoQuarter 2/4/08 …AlohaPuma is right…there is a real disconnect between the real intentions of BO and these head fakes to McCain and Hillary that he’s putting the needs of the country first. I’m waiting for the bubble to burst around these media cultists to scrutinize and investigate the Obamas, the DP, and Acorn.

ZEE:
“Plus, seriously, if they knew any Communists, they would not be worried.”

I’ve known enough wannabe communists and true blue socialists. I’m not worried about them. I’m worried about the real hard core anti-capitalists, the ones who equate the USA with evil imperialism and think it needs to be burned to the ground, but not that alone: I’m worried about the ones with actual power and serious wealth.

The “revolution” has been going on for decades. It’s been built through certain leftist organizations that are all connected like a web, influencing policy, and pressuring government, and taking over the democratic party–or, at least, controlling it.

The real revolution won’t be a mass of people marching with red flags to DC. The real one would be systematic destabilization of our economic power, and employing a leader who will finish the job and bring about ‘change’ so that capitalism and all its power links are yanked at the root.

Next steps would be to own everything the people own, nationalizing everything, and pushing a new culture of collectivism–which is opposite to America’s pride in individualism.

It certainly won’t be a Union Square protest, a bunch of dissenting nudists, or a bunch of bonged out basement commie pow wows that will take down a government for a real proletariat revolution.

Just need to elect someone who fuggin hates the USA.

kat in your hat 11.17.08 at 3:06 pm

Sounds like Obama is just the man or the job you outlined.

Oh good grief. Why do people think I am following what happens to Israel? I’m not from there, I will likely never visit there. I’m not a jew. I see countries like chess pieces. You can follow other countries and our relationships with them to see how America will move. Anyway…

Seems so many people take for granted what America really is. We are just free and livin’ like this…why? Just because of history and a few documents? And that’s supposed to sustain us forever? America can cease to be “America” with some votes in Congress, some propaganda, and some reeducating. It can be lost. It’s not forever just cuz.

America is mainly America because of our economic system, our laws, and ideology. ALL those things can change.

It happens little by little. It has been happening. That’s why certain votes, like FISA, etc concern so many people. etc etc

GPG;
Your downstairs posting is very interesting! Is there a link? This line caught my eye:
…
This family still owns most luxury resorts in Bali. Isn’t that where Obama went for 3 months to write a book ?

Actually, it’s where he met up with Ayers to have him ghost write the book!

And wasn’t there a story a while ago about some Indonesian-American Congresscritter toddling off to Jakarta for Omposter to purge the passport files of any inconvenient documents? I wondered at the time where anyone would get the pull and access to departments and files like that, aside from flat-out bribery. This certainly helps explain it!

How deep does this conniving and conspiring go? Have we just seen the tip of the iceberg?

PROJECT AUDIT OBAMA

No, it is no OK that McCain gets audited and BO does not. Even if I have to do it myself. I made some phone calls today to the FEC and believe I have Identified two significant problems with his campaign finances. One I can handle myself but the other requires alot of work and I could use some help.

The project that I need help with involves identifying over-limit campaign contributions, and sending them in to the FEC, requesting an Audit of the entire campaign.

I started doing it today and was shocked by how many there were. They can be identified with reasonable ease using the opensecrets search function: http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.php . The task would be to review lists for the BO campaign and pick out donors over the $2300 limit, print them out and compile them. Then they can be sent in with a notarized cover letter as a complaint, with a request to have the campaign audited.

I am going to start in Florida. The search is done for the BO Campaign, by state and then must have some other specification to keep the search limit of 1000. I specify the name be each letter of the alphabet, A, B, C,… If this is too much then they can be specified AA, AB, AC, AD,…

Please Post the blog with if you are interested in participating. Let me know what state you will be working on. Thanks!