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murphy 11.14.08 at 10:03 pm
Freddie Mercury, RIP.
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:08 pm
FUCK, I hate being left down stairs.
Zee- good point you made down stairs- from your mouth to god’s ear (and I am an atheist)
OK, getting back to my point- we need a centrist government but that party does not exist at the present.
Are we the centrists? Can we become the movement??
“People get ready, there’s a train a’coming…”
invalidresponse 11.14.08 at 10:08 pm
well choosen songs Murphy!!!!!
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:09 pm
Muprhy- where is everyone?
BTW, I nominated you to become the leader of the new centrist party.
And I will be happy with what ever bone you throw to me… happy to carry on our movement
BillieJo 11.14.08 at 10:10 pm
murphy 11.14.08 at 10:03 pm
Freddie Mercury, RIP.
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Queen, Freddie RIP……………….whoooooooooooooooyaaaaaaa!
HiHat 11.14.08 at 10:11 pm
The late great Freddie. Saving the second part for a more victorious moment in the future, right, Murphy?
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:11 pm
Hello all! Is everyone good night?
TexasTigress 11.14.08 at 10:13 pm
I have a dog named Freddie Mercury
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:16 pm
Hi, SouthernGAL68! How ya doing tonight?
BillieJo 11.14.08 at 10:16 pm
Murph……….I think “We will rock you!” should be our PUMA theme song.
PinkPuma 11.14.08 at 10:17 pm
Tax Dollars At Work–
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX5ZVC1YY1k&feature=related
murphy 11.14.08 at 10:19 pm
gosueforhill, i replied downstairs. a-yup. as long as centrist includes equal rights for all citizens, then a-yup, that’s what Puma is.
GBPuma 11.14.08 at 10:20 pm
Obama has more threats than other presidents-elect
By EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer Eileen Sullivan, Associated Press Writer – 49 mins ago
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081115/ap_on_el_pr/obama_threats
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 10:22 pm
Freedie has good tunes.
Zee 11.14.08 at 10:22 pm
Ohhhhh….darnnn! Murphy did you see? 100% chance of rain tomorrow. Thunderstorms and wind! I will still be going to the protest but I will leave my dog at home…I was going to dress him up like a groom…..just KIDDING!!!!
My other idea was to see if the party store had a pinata in the shape of an 8…so people could beat it…and get candy in the process! But pinatas and rain don’t mix, so I guess I will stick some message on my umbrella.
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 10:23 pm
*had*…has…
And so they live on! Tunes that is.
invalidresponse 11.14.08 at 10:24 pm
must take puppy for a run bbl
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 10:24 pm
SouthernGAL68, yes, sweetheart. How you feelin’?
murphy 11.14.08 at 10:24 pm
gbpuma, right. and in other news, keith olbermann fantasized on national tv last night about sarah palin being stabbed to death and cut up into little pieces.
http://www.dailyhowler.com/
oh and also, see this:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
CatBalu 11.14.08 at 10:26 pm
Got a call from my friend in Boston (I am in CA) asking what I thought about this HRC for Sec of State talk — he made some comment like “What will you do then, if she is chosen.” Like, how will I dislike BO if he throws my girl a bone after dissing her for so many months. I tried to tell him this is beyond Hillary at this point, the damage is done, and there is really nothing BO can do to get back in my favor. Why is it so hard for outsiders to figure out us PUMAs?
I basically told him that she can run rings around BO in the internatinal arena and for that reason he probably won’t choose her — also it seems to me he likes to dangle the carrot and then yank it back.
This whole Sec of State thing makes me think this is the the ultimate club that keeps hitting against the glass ceiling, never to be completely shattered — give the girls the Sec of State position and maybe that will keep them happy enough to not try to reach any further.
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:26 pm
We have a strong, capable work force. American workers are probably the most productive in the world. What we need is a strong government to protect us. They need to just come out and demand that these huge multi-national companies bring our manufacturing jobs back. If they don’t then maybe we should think twice about allowing them to sell their junk in our country. We could also invest heavily in new companies big and small that make products here and build jobs here. We could also stop outsourcing our military manufacturing as well. Just with a few tweaks we could usher in a new era of prosperity. In the last 30 years they’ve closed all the steel mills, all the textile mills, all the electronics factories, etc. Bring ‘em back. Use incentives, use threats, use whatever means necessary. Everything else will take care of itself.
Not my idea, but I like it.
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 10:27 pm
murphy, I could very likely bump into that man. My friend works across the street and I meet him for lunch every now and again.
KO does NOT want to meet me.
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:27 pm
Zee- are you going to a protest for gay rights tomorrow?
And where are you?
It is going to be 85 degrees here tomorrow, my daughter will be bitching and moaning about the heat. Oh well, at least my Obot husband and I have found some common ground and the kids will have to suck it up.
BTW, anyone bringing bloody marys?
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:27 pm
Mountainsong,
I am fine! So FULL, I can barely move! I did not stop eating when I was full … I stopped when I could not move! HA!
Anyway, you wrote a post that I really liked … I can not rmember if it was yesterday or the day before! I responded to it, but you were gone. It was the post about how you live your life. You also talked about the fact we are not promised tomorrow etc…
DeadGirl 11.14.08 at 10:27 pm
MountainSong, interesting question downstairs, re: are hermaphrodites afforded equal protection under the law in Massachusetts… I was not expecting any replies to my post, I have a four year old Scooby Doo addict and a cat in my lap so I apologize for delay in replying.
In all honesty, I cannot answer unless I have something specific in this regard to research quickly. And if they are not afforded equal protection, then it needs to be taken all of the way to the Supreme Judicial Court.
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:29 pm
Gosuef4Hill … I assume you live in Calif.? Am I correct? Where are yall protesting? Sorry, I have been at work all day and have not read any post or news etc…
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:30 pm
murphy 11.14.08 at 10:24 pm
Maddoc/Olbermann = Brother/Sister = Boyfriend/Girlfriend
But….which one is the boy?
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:32 pm
DeadGirl 11.14.08 at 10:27 pm
We don’t have equal rights in any state. It first has to be ascertained that we are human beings. Is that fukked up, or what?
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:32 pm
Deadgirl,
I am not 100% positive, but it seems that I read something about this a while back. I think the answer is yes!
Zee 11.14.08 at 10:32 pm
#19…Murphy…omg! Keith Ubermann wanting to off yet another woman!
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:33 pm
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:27 pm
Zee 11.14.08 at 10:34 pm
#20…my symapthies, Cat Balu…the bots are clueless, aren’t they?
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:34 pm
I’ma take a HOT bath, Lavender bubblebath, candles and soft piano music. BBL
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:34 pm
CatBalua- I totally agree- I think this fucker Obama is dangling a carrot in front of Hillary and I for one will eat my hat if he offers her the position.
I cannot stand him for the position he has put her in and I totally agree- these men think if they offer women the # 3 position, they will happily oblige. Unfortunately up until this time, they have.
Sarah Palin may be the one to kick the cajones out of them. I wish it had been Hillary but I fear for her under Nobo’s regime- dictatorship is more like it.
We need a new woman leader- I think Palin may be the next one.
And to hell with the policies at this point- policies are really decided by the house (unless you have useless senators voting “present” al the time)
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:34 pm
Mountainsong,
I am just curious, what state do u live in?
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:35 pm
Southerngal- No, I am in Az, Scottsdale but the rally will be in Phoenix
PinkPuma 11.14.08 at 10:36 pm
Just the kind of people Washington needs more of–
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15651.html
Zee 11.14.08 at 10:36 pm
#23 GOSUE, yes, I am meeting a friend in Boston for the protest tomorrow…if she doesn’t back out per the rain.
Do the Bloody Marys have a significance? Hm…I have tomato juice and lemons…I could be persuaded to spike them…
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:37 pm
Mountainsong and Murphy et al.- KEITH OLBERMAN SUCKS!! HE SUCKS BIGTIME!!!
I try not to be so negative but even more than Chris Matthews, I hope Keith Olberman chokes on his own vomit
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:37 pm
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:34 pm
Washington state, about 90 miles north from Seattle. 40 miles from Vancouver, B.C.
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:38 pm
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:37 pm
I don’t know him well enuff to say ….but I bet ur right!!!
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:39 pm
SouthernGAL68 Where r u?
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:39 pm
Gosuef4hill,
Someone made an intersting point on the post about Hillary NOT remaining in the senate … he/she said that they thought that BO wanted Hillary out of the senate, so that she could not oppose him and/or vote against his agenda. What do u think?
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:41 pm
Zee- no significance to the bloody marys, just booze always seems to help- and I am with Murphy- I never have just one. ( I thought I would be on the liver transplant list going through the primaries- the fact that I made it to the general election speaks volumes to the inherent wisdom in the manufacturing of the human body)
Enjoy tomorrow- a little rain would be welcome here- wish I were in Boston
murphy 11.14.08 at 10:41 pm
keith olbermann is REALLY bad.
should we focus a sustained Puma PAC prowl on keith olbermann?
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:43 pm
SouthernGAL68 In the long run, I think she could accomplish much more by remaining in the Senate, eg, healthcare reform, election reform, womens’ rights, etc.
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:43 pm
SouthernGAL68 In the long run, I think she could accomplish much more by remaining in the Senate, eg, healthcare reform, election reform, womens’ rights, etc. To hell with what BO wants.
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:43 pm
Way down south … Shreveport, Louisiana
Gosuef4hill … Boston is where my corportate headquarters is located.
Mountainsong … that is right! I do remember you saying that before. McCain country!
murphy 11.14.08 at 10:43 pm
dwp, if you’re lurking, can you devote some of your righteous fury to a FIRE KEITH OLBERMANN image?
i’m putting my thinking cap on.
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:44 pm
murphy 11.14.08 at 10:41 pm YEYA!!! Excellent idea, if it’s not a waste of time. It might go over his head.
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 10:45 pm
GET KO!!!!!!!!!!
I #@%$@$$#(*&(*&(*& blame him/ cannot stand him.
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:45 pm
SouthernGAL68 Whether it’s ‘McCain Country’, I don’t know.
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:46 pm
southerngal68- my cynical side tells me that BO would much rather HRC be stuck in the senate, where her vote is worth 1%.
This way, Pretty Boy could have all the power to himself.
After all, Rahm Emmanuel has already been in the Clinton’s cabinet. And everyone so far, Biden included, is sure to not outshine Mr Empty Suit.
I just don’t think he could stand to have her in such a powerful situation.
As I said earlier, I will eat my hat if he offers it to her. But just like VP, I think he is stringing her along.
No matter what he does or what role she plays… I plan to vote against him in 2012- perhaps that is not a mature thing to say right now but I don’t care. I still would rather Satan be CIC than this empty suit.
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 10:46 pm
BBL
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:49 pm
Murphy,
I thought right after the election we (PUMA) were going to go after the media. I have not heard alot more on this or exactly how we were going to accomplish this. I have written e-mails to alot of them letting them know how disgusted I am with the way they “pushed” Obama and NEVER told the whole story etc… Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow were two that I e-mailed.
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:49 pm
PUMAS EVERYWHERE- I am so for doing whatever it takes to get snake in the grass fat ass Keith Olberman fired. I will do whatever is asked of me.
There are very few people I disdain more than KO. BO comes to mind.
KarenWI 11.14.08 at 10:51 pm
I think some of the leaders need to go back downstairs and read Mick’s last post there. I’m not suprised, by the way… I feel the same way…
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:54 pm
Gosuef4hill,
I think you are right! Why do you think he did NOT choose her as his VP??? Just what you said in your post, he can not be outshined!
That is funny … My friends and I refer to him as Satan!
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 10:54 pm
I never passed this on to pumas, but I was sitting with my boyfriend a few months ago, watching E! “The Soup,”….ok, which is a mind-numbing stupid show, with sometimes humorous commentary from host–when he makes fun of the superficiality of the shows he reviews.
However, it is a highly sexist show. Host calls the women bitches, sluts, stupid, etc.
Keith Olbermann was ON that show. They did a lil funny skit, and KO mocked pumas and Hillary supporters who argued that BO did not really win.
KO did a mock crying jag, “He cheeeeated!” he cried…making fun of us. “Hillary should have won! wahhhhh”
It really pissed me off.
I never mentioned I saw that. OOH boy, my blood boiled.
The guy is an immature asshole. There were stories online, one from his ex lover, how he fucked like a 15 year old. And another story about how he had a college aged girlfriend, and yet another on how he attempted to lay an actual porn star at a party, but she turned him down.
He is SLEAZE. He is quintessential dumbshit woman hater stupid head.
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 10:55 pm
Count me in as well! I can NOT stand that #$%^ !!! I will do whatever it takes to get him canned!
PUMAbear 11.14.08 at 10:57 pm
Reposting from downstairs
Woodie,
Poor kitty. I’d like to help. Tell me how.
GoPumaGo 11.14.08 at 11:00 pm
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:08 pm
FUCK, I hate being left down stairs.
Are we the centrists? Can we become the movement??
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first you posted #2 so you were not too late getting up here. I just got here but an happy.
2nd I strongly believe that the ONLY party that has any possibility of success is a Central Party. The vast majority of people are in the middle. We have to unite only 3 parts and it should be moderately easy.
1. the right leaning leftest
2. the left leaning righest
3. the central middle and independents
The main problem with politics in America is that people get fed up with the right and left and move to the opposite side back and forth. we have to run an honest government with honest people. We have to have moderate expectations and fulfill them.
We have to end the football super bowl mentality to presidental elections. We have to end the ME against the YOU. the US vs THEM. etc. like a big game. This is not a game. but people play the conflict like a game. they do not look at the severity of the elections. We have to go back to what George Washington warned us about PARTIES and we wind up with a gov under foreign control. Basically that is what we might have NOW. It all comes out of strong partisan politics of ME against YOU or US against THEM. We need for the public to end the party system and simply view the election as looking for the best American to lead the country. Only the Center can possibly do that.
Look at the situation. the far Right religious zealots had control for some time. Now the far Left marxist have taken control. neither side was or is good for America. NO WHERE do we have a central leadership. That is the missing hole in politics.
One side spending a billion dollars right there says something is wrong with the game of politics. the other side spent some money also. O Boo Boo used another trick. Once you get people invested in the outcome you have their vote. get them to invest $5 and they will not admit they made a mistake and thus will vote for you to the end.
In the old days the politician paid the voter $5 for his vote. Now the voter donates $5 and is psychologically bound to vote for who he gave the money to rather than admit he made a mistake.
There are European countries where those running are not allowed to collect money. they must run on the equal amounts given to each candidate and only that amount given by the state. the elections are much more equal. and the money is limited.
we have to plug the loop holes in the elections.
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 11:01 pm
kat in your hat- it doesn’t surprise me that KO would try these tricks with women- he clearly doesn’t think they are equal- and so therefore he goes after younger women he can exploit.
Does nothing make you more ill than to imagine KO in a sexual situation?
Well, maybe to imagine BO as POTUS- but that is going to happen so I guess I don’t have to count on my imagination.
Karen Wi- what did Mick post downstairs? I don’t have the energy to go look, I have to pour more wine…
MKfromLA 11.14.08 at 11:02 pm
Good evening PUMAs
Is there anyone out there going to the Prop Hate protest in downtown L.A.?
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:04 pm
GOSUEF4HIL:
You drinkin? Yeah, I’mma go get a drink then.
Dances, woman! Get over here to me.
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 11:05 pm
GOSUEF4HILL …. My partner just told me something … she may have a very good point.
How was Prop. 8 phrased on the ballot?? (in Calif) She just now told me that … She thought that PROP 8 gave gay folks the right to marry instead of banning it. Could people have thought Prop 8 was “for” instead of against??
We are in Louisiana so we did not have that as a option, but is there any chance people could have not understood that PROP 8 is against instead of for.
BillieJo 11.14.08 at 11:06 pm
Murphy, you have mail.
PUMAbear 11.14.08 at 11:08 pm
I guess KO really wants us to think about Palin and not about what BO is uo to.
Murphy, I would love to go after the media. What do you think would be effective?
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 11:08 pm
gopumago and murphy and all the other centrists-
it is what we have to do… we need to move our country to the center and stop this ridiculous pendulum shift every 4 or 8 or 12 years.
I saw a link for Adlai Stevenson and centrist democrats the other day from my Unitarian church- I will try to find and post.
We need peeps in the center to govern.
Quite frankly, I firmly believe had Hillary gotten on board w/ McCain, tehre would have been a significant paradigm shift in this nation and fatso Keith and leg chill Chris and all the others would be crying in their soup right now.
But I think we are PUMAs because quite frankly, we can’t be in politics because we would tell everyone to go take a walk off a pier and to f themselves etc etc and that is why we need centrists to speak for us- because I for one am too angry to speak coherently.
mick 11.14.08 at 11:08 pm
KarenWI #57
It’s okay Karen. I’m not upset, everything is cool. Really, I’m not going anywhere. DWP and I aren’t fighting. I like DWP even if she doesn’t like me.
Please don’t let what happened this morning upset you. I didn’t agree with what you said either, but we should all just agree to disagree and move on.
((((((((Karen)))))))))
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I think some of the leaders need to go back downstairs and read Mick’s last post there. I’m not suprised, by the way… I feel the same way…
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 11:09 pm
Think about it … It does sound like if … you vote FOR Prop. 8 … you would be for gay marriage (not against.) For those not totally familar with it … they may have gotten it backwards.
Luckyseven 11.14.08 at 11:12 pm
If anyone wants a good laugh about keith noberman 0r overbite as he is called on this you tube – look -sans hair!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNCCGZbEZfs&feature=related
turndownobama 11.14.08 at 11:12 pm
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 10:46 pm
southerngal68- my cynical side tells me that BO would much rather HRC be stuck in the senate, where her vote is worth 1%.
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As SOS, or any other job BO might offer, she wouldn’t get any vote at all. These cabinet and ambassador people ’serve at the pleasure of the President.’ Their job is to carry out HIS policies. They may advise, but have no power (other than resigning in protest). If they speak out in disagreement, they get fired.
Even 1% of the Senate is worth much more than a cabinet position, is much more free and secure. But Hillary in fact has much more than 1% of the Senate power.
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 11:13 pm
kat- yep, I’m drinking, have been since January
southerngal- nope- I think people knew exactly what they were voting for, which makes me even more disgusted with the democrats they voted for a hologram- not a party platform- because those same morons who voted for BO voted against gay marriage and WTF does that say about our party? (my previous party- for the record).
Nothing but a bunch of opportunistic sycophants.
Never been more liberated than saying “bye-bye” to the blow-hard democratic party.
Centrists all the way!!
Murphy for POTUS!
Luckyseven 11.14.08 at 11:13 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t2G1n1O5HU&feature=related
another one!!!
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 11:14 pm
I am just throwing that possibility out there. When she can into the room and told me that she “keeps having to remind herself that is it opposite than what she would think it is” …I just questioned if other may have read it the same. Just a thought. I am sure the folks in Calif. are way more familar with it than us.
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:15 pm
SouthernGAL68: good point. I would like to know as well. It is confusing when it is against/ for who knows what.
TexasTigress 11.14.08 at 11:16 pm
Karen – you said ,” I hate to mention this….. But….. Is anyone else thinking that the photos they are showing of Hillary lately standing in the black dress (such as the one on Drudge right now)
Make her look really fat?
I said ,
KarenWI – I think judging a woman’s weight is one of the most sexists remarks anyone can make . Why would you even bring that up ? Women really get me going when they judge other women’s appearances . It feeds into society’s continual oppression of any woman – especially a woman candidate who is incessantly judged on her appearance and NOT on her accomplishments ! Ugh .
__________________________________________________
You question was an open question to “anyone” .
I responded . Perhaps “sexist’was the wrong term , but it was the nicest one I could come up with at the time .
turndownobama 11.14.08 at 11:17 pm
PUMAbear 11.14.08 at 11:08 pm
I would love to go after the media. What do you think would be effective?
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kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:17 pm
See, it’s psychological, when you get into the voting booth. You vote FOR or TOWARD something, and if it was against something…I dunno. I bet there were a few confused folks. I am not sure.
Woodie 11.14.08 at 11:18 pm
\\puma bear fritzy has megacolon..i have been putting off the surgery for money reasons and just reluctant but i he needs it now. it has been several months, its too much money, especially right now i am going to research some non-profit org. and some other help maybe i can get. 2,500.00 is just too much right now…
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 11:19 pm
turndownobama- I agree- Hillary is strong in the senate- I was responding to what I tought Obie was thinking.
And quite frankly, I guess on second thought- I don’t think He has a unique idea in his head- if Axelrod or one of his other lackeys doesn’t fill his vapid head with an idea I don’t think he knows what to do.
However, I’d like to think Condie Rice was more than a mouth piece for W but now that you mention it, you may be right. I just think SOS has too much power or presence for Obie to sit well w/ HRC in the position.
No matter- no matter what he does- I will resent him for anything and everything he does to Hillary and if that makes me immature, so be it.
GoPumaGo 11.14.08 at 11:21 pm
but is there any chance people could have not understood that PROP 8 is against instead of for.
I still am confused on it. I can not figure it out.
MKfromLA 11.14.08 at 11:21 pm
Kat in your hat & SouthernGAL68
Here’s what it said.
ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME–SEX COUPLES TO MARRY. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
* Changes the California Constitution to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry in California.
* Provides that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.
Here is the ballot entry.
http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/title-sum/prop8-title-sum.htm
Woodie 11.14.08 at 11:22 pm
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southern gal…..i have decided to boycott all of them and my friends agree and their advertisers as well. someone posted that info earlier but that was maybe a week ago….
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 11:22 pm
good night PUMAs-
good luck to all those fighting for gay marriage tomorrow, I will carry you with me in spirit-
Talk to you all tomorrow,
Sue
PUMAbear 11.14.08 at 11:22 pm
Interesting that BO, a man so serene and above politics, surrounds himself with other men with strong personal animosities and ideological hatreds. That’s the only thing they have in common.
Can anyone but Ovomit believe that both Louis Farrakhan and Ronald Reagan are admirable but distances himself from both? Tell me again what he’s got against George Wallace?
Jus sayin
gordana 11.14.08 at 11:23 pm
Murphy -
Why was Mick banned???
Please tell………
greta
Woodie 11.14.08 at 11:24 pm
kat in the hat
i voted absentee, i liked it…i was comfortable, it was quite and i had to go through all those proposition we have here in ca which can be confusing because when you vote yes you maybe really voting no. They do that on purposes to confuse you. so i enjoyed it at home. i took my time i did half then another day i did the other half heh!!
Woodie 11.14.08 at 11:25 pm
i like the second song up top there……
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:26 pm
Ahhhhh. A hot bath does sooo much for the ‘feel good’.
GoPumaGo 11.14.08 at 11:00 pm
I totally agree with you. The contry’s economy is tanking and the good ole boys spend nearly a billion dollars on a election. Is that supposed to be an example of ‘male maturity’?
No doubt, the best part of Keith Olbermann ran down his daddy’s leg. But Maddox really enhances his ignorance, too.
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 11:26 pm
Gosuef4hill,
Most everyone I have spoken with here (the pumss) knows that I am a registered Republican BUT I am gay! Go ahead … laugh! What an oxymoron?? Hu! The reason I have traditionally voted Republican is more of the … less and/or smaller gov. thing, financial thing etc… (Note: I am ALSO Pro-choice) I am for FREEDOM! I hope this makes sence. I have seen the Democratic party as BIG gov. (I MAY BE WRONG) I have noticed that sence BO has gotten elected, our American freedoms have really come into question.
I totally agree with you that it is quite “IRONIC” that the Obama admin. call themselves “PROGRESSIVE” yet the people who voted him in banned gay marriage.
PUMAbear 11.14.08 at 11:27 pm
Woodie,
I’ve been following your story. Some pumas suggest help from veterinary schools or aspca. Is that possible? Perhaps we can raise the rest. How long can you wait before surgery?
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:27 pm
MKfromLA: Thank you, is that what it visually looked like in the booth?
I heard that BO had pamphlets passed out at church, with his face on it, saying that he did NOT support gay marriage. And there was text on how to vote.
He actively campaigned against gay marriage.
normapapuma 11.14.08 at 11:27 pm
Did my prowl kinda late:
Dear Sen. Clinton,
As you consider your future political roles, the opinions and desires of a supporter and a member of the PUMA movement may be irrevelant to you. Nonetheless, with the fondness and admiration I feel, your best interest is important to me. My sense is that your great talents would be better used as Secretary of State, but better appreciated working for your own administration as Governor of New York. I know the course you choose will be correct, but I fear any association with an Obama presidency sooner or later will dillute your valuable prestige and influence. Please consider this a serious concern. The best of luck in all your endeavors.
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:28 pm
gordana: mick is not banned. murphy never said that.
MKfromLA 11.14.08 at 11:28 pm
SouthernGAL68 & Kat
If you don’t have high blood pressure issues, click on the Arguments & Rebuttals link on that Prop Hate page.
http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt8.htm
Woodie 11.14.08 at 11:28 pm
gopumago
yes, would you believe i got that one wrong ugh! i did that last time.
i voted yes when i should have voted no….they do that on purpose.
these crazy californians. They like to mess with your mind. what can i can say. mind games seem to be popular here….
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:29 pm
normapapuma, aw you are sweet. Thank you for sharing. I think I agree.
MKfromLA 11.14.08 at 11:29 pm
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:27 pm
MKfromLA: Thank you, is that what it visually looked like in the booth?
————–
Yup.
invalidresponse 11.14.08 at 11:30 pm
SouthernGAL68
yes there was confusion over the pro8 here is just one of many examples
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-me-yesno31-2008oct31,0,2885980.story
Woodie 11.14.08 at 11:33 pm
aspca has no medical help here in CA unlike NYC. I would be a little
weary of a vet school megacolon is quite an operation…they cut out a good portion of the colon, sew the two ends together again and then close his tummy. He has to take antibiotics for infection after which i am capable of doing. Well i’d say within 30 days….
GOSUEF4HIL 11.14.08 at 11:35 pm
southerngal68- a year ago I would have said you were crazy to be a gay republican- I would have said they don’t care about ou.
However, when I saw that McCain paid women above what he paid men, when I saw McCain put a woman on the ticket- when I realized that I don’t have to rely on the democrats to protect my reproductive rights…
As painful as the double loss to Mr Empty suit has been- I believe I have grown as a woman and hopefully many others have too-
Again- I cannot be a republican but I can’t be a democrat anymore either- it is time for a new party
and now I really must sign off and put my short people to bed…
hasta manana PUMAs- godspeed to those protesting tomorrow
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 11:35 pm
*** SEE YALL … It could be confusing!
If I walked into the voting booth and voted FOR Prop 8 … I would have thought that I voted for gay marriage … not against. That is why I was asking if anyone here knew how it was phrased to voters???? I wanted to know if there was any chance that it was NOT clear to voters?
Gosue4hill, you say that they knew! I do have no idea … I am in a state that would be the LAST to put something like that on the ballot.
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 11:37 pm
Nice talking to you .. goodnight!
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:39 pm
Pretty damned sad when people legislate ‘Love’.
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:40 pm
you’ve got that right mountainsong!
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 11:40 pm
InvalidResponse,
Can they do a re-vote sort of thing? If they can prove that people were confused about what they were voting on.
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:41 pm
The less government involved in our lives, the better
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:43 pm
SouthernGAL68 What state are you in? I know ya told me, but I forgot. Plz don’t make me go back n look.
I don’t see why they don’t just outlaw marriage, since we’re all supposedly related to each other anyway.
JMHO, but I don’t think there is anything more beautiful than a newborn baby….or two women in love with each other.
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:44 pm
goofsmom Hey!!!! Hiyas
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:44 pm
SouthernGAL68
They would have to take it to court and prove that people did not understand. In someways it would be easier to get it back on our next election.
If I were them I would probably do both.
PUMAbear 11.14.08 at 11:44 pm
Woodie,
Davis has a vet school. Have you tried that? Some of my friends have gone there in last ditch cases.
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:45 pm
Hiyas mountainsong…
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:45 pm
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:41 pm
“The less government involved in our lives, the better”
Wow, that is some hard-core republican talk.
Man, I am hungry. I am having a beer right now, but I am actually hungry instead.
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:47 pm
I think I might go out. I feel edgy.
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:47 pm
I think I might go out. I feel edgy.
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:47 pm
and…apparently like I have the hiccups.
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:48 pm
kat in your hat
must be the beer.
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 11:48 pm
MKfromLA,
Please do not tell me that they had all that in the voting booth! Hell, it took me a few minutes to figure out what was what!
Just from an “outsider” (not in my state I mean) looking in … Some people could have taken the part “to restore marriage” as being for gay marriage. You have to remember (not to sound like an ass), but alot of folks either 1. do not speak English well, 2. low/no Education etc…
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:49 pm
Proposition 8 is a statewide ballot proposition in California. On November 4, 2008, voters approved the measure and made same-sex marriage illegal in California. The campaign over Proposition 8 was fiercely contested. In the aftermath of the vote, an intense focus on Proposition 8 has continued, with those who support same-sex marriage coming together every day since the election in rallies and protests. Three lawsuits seeking to invalidate Proposition 8 have been filed. It is not yet clear what impact the ban will have on the approximately 18,000 same-sex couples in the state.[1],[2]
Proposition 8 received 52.5% of the vote in the state’s unofficial vote canvass; the Secretary of State’s office will not officially call the results of Prop 8 until December 13 after they have been able to count all absentee and provisional ballots.
Election results
California Proposition 8
Votes Percentage
Yes 5,782,670 52.2%
No 5,301,540 47.8%
Total votes 11,084,210 100%
Results according to the California Secretary of State[3]
Proposition 8 adds a new amendment to the California Constitution which says, “only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California”. Before it passed, same-sex marriage was a constitutionally-protected right in California; a majority of the justices of the California Supreme Court affirmed this understanding of the constitution in May 2008.
The ballot title of Proposition 8 was Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry.[4].
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 11:50 pm
Don’t tell me that goofsmon and Kat are Repulicans????? Fuss up …
BrianH 11.14.08 at 11:50 pm
TexasTigress 11.14.08 at 11:16 pm
Karen – you said ,” I hate to mention this….. But….. Is anyone else thinking that the photos they are showing of Hillary lately standing in the black dress (such as the one on Drudge right now)
Make her look really fat?
I said ,
KarenWI – I think judging a woman’s weight is one of the most sexists remarks anyone can make . Why would you even bring that up ? …//
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So, women are being sexist about themselves when they ask their bf or husband that no-win question, “Does this dress make me look fat?” ?? Who knew?
HiHat 11.14.08 at 11:50 pm
Kat, what kind of beer?
invalidresponse 11.14.08 at 11:50 pm
SouthernGAL68
no not really…it is again going through the courts, what ever the outcome it will again probably get to another ballot….
one of the hopes is that these protest and boycotts do a few things to help,
1) is to put pressure on the lds church to not flood money into again fighting it
2) protest keeping to topic going people are finding out that “OMG, I actually know people that are gay”
It is ALWAYS a good thing to put a real face to civil rights fights
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:50 pm
(((mountainson)))
you wanted to hear my voice… I recorded a silly gag bit for goofsdad’s radio show
click on o-bot girl
http://www.freedommarch.org/FreedomMarch_Radio.html
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:51 pm
Geez!! No wonder I’m single now. I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t use drugs, I don’t do men, and I don’t get married. An I don’t like Obama.
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:51 pm
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:50 pm Oh, Kewl!!!!!
murphy 11.14.08 at 11:51 pm
walmart’s doing booming business, and spam sales are UP UP UP!
bring on the New Dark Ages!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/business/15spam.html?hp
SouthernGAL68 11.14.08 at 11:52 pm
Mountainsong,
sorry .. i did not see your question … I am in Louisiana
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:54 pm
I am drinking Bud Light with lime…some new concoction. I kinda like it. I like to drink straight from the bottle, and I just grabbed one from the freezer.
Hmmm, I still feel edgy. Like I wanna do something naughty. It’s sooo easy in nyc. hmm.
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:54 pm
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:50 pm LOLOL @ Obot. NOW I wanna hear ya sing!!!
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:54 pm
southernGAL68
I don’t know what I am. I believe that everyone should have the same rights. There should be no class differences. If you are asking me how I vote. I vote for the best person for the job…
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:55 pm
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:54 pm
Did I just hear someone mention “Naughty”???
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:56 pm
mountainsong: lol…you prude. (jk)
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:56 pm
murphy 11.14.08 at 11:51 pm
Ewwwwwww!!! Spam!! BO’s favorite meal.
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:57 pm
mountain: Oh, yeah baby. You think you are the only one who has “da urges”? lol.
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:57 pm
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:56 pm *sigh* If we were in a lesbian chatroom I’d show you ‘prude’!!!!!
goofsmom 11.14.08 at 11:58 pm
Yummy spam… (ack)
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:58 pm
kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 11:57 pm
hmmmm, let’s get a room and discuss this topic further….
mountainsong 11.14.08 at 11:59 pm
:S I can’t believe she called me a ‘prude’. LMAO
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:00 am
LOLOLOLOL
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:02 am
invalid response
I hope it gets back on the ballot…
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:02 am
And here I got booted off craigslist for advertising as a ‘G-spot Masseuse’ under ‘Services”.
BillieJo 11.15.08 at 12:02 am
I saw that photo of Hillary on Dredge and the photo of Hillary is out of proportion. The entire photo should be elongated to the right proportion, making Hillary not only look thick but much shorter. Not a sexist statement at all, just a mis-sized photo.
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:03 am
LOL!! Makin me blush. BUT, I will say, there allll sorts of interesting places I can go to within just a few minutes. Hell, I am such a damn good girlfriend.
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:03 am
(goofsmom covers her delicate ears) La lala, I can’t hear you mountainsong… he he he
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:04 am
*clears throat* Ummm, better get back to politics (ewww) before I get booted here.
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 12:04 am
What I think is so very sad is that Churches are fighting this, because the bible says (assuming that being gay is a sin) … “we are all sinners”! I sometimes go to bible study with a group a gay folks (like myself) and we are always talking about how churches all of our lives have made us feel like we were “doomed to hell” because we are gay! It is SAD, because gay folks feel like there is no place for them in church. This sad, because alot of gay people grew up going to church, but “caught on” really quick-like that they are not wanted and left! The Divorce rate is approx. 50% in this country … and they are protesting gay marriage????
BrianH 11.15.08 at 12:04 am
gordana;
about the non-banning;
DWP was being sarcastic/ironic didactic, and forgot that non-verbal cues like raised eyebrows, slight smiles, nudge-nudge-wink-wink don’t come across in text! Smilies are kind of clumsy and klunky compared to real oral communication, and straight text is easy to misconstrue. There’s a tendency, I think, to make the words LOUDER to compensate, sort of like SHOUTING English in a foreign country to help the natives understand.
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:05 am
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:03 am An I just know you are!!
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:06 am
I still think we should go after the media in a big way.
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 12:06 am
Goofsmom … I vote the best person as well!
I have voted for Clinton, Bush and WAS going for Hillary for president!
HiHat 11.15.08 at 12:07 am
Kat: “Hell, I am such a damn good girlfriend.”
To your boyfriend, or your girlfriends? Or both?
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:07 am
BrianH 11.15.08 at 12:04 am Doesn’t that depend on how direct the communication is? LOL
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:07 am
mountainsong
LOL nice try…
invalidresponse 11.15.08 at 12:07 am
Murphy and Dances your both have mail
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:07 am
mountainsong, you must have magical capabilities. How am I going to go around hiring people to take care of me. I kiss a man and the second thing he begs for is downstairs. If it’s on the ready, why buy?
BF is king at that anyway, waapUSH!
Or do you know something I don’t?
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 12:08 am
Mountainsong ….LOL … that is funny as hell! why did they boot you off??
Woodie 11.15.08 at 12:08 am
Jenny: I checked my email no response from murphy yet FYI
i gave her my address tho…maybe you can ask her for mine..
i give permission….
murphy 11.15.08 at 12:09 am
brianh, it seems there is a LOT you dont know about being sexist.
here’s some reading suggestions:
http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2004/10/feminism-101.html
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:09 am
HiHat, lol. I am just a gal with a guy. Girls like me though. I am straight but I tease.
Woodie 11.15.08 at 12:09 am
spam yuch!!!!
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:10 am
SouthernGAL68
Before this election, I thought I understood what the different parties stood for. I learned during the election what they really are, I have to say I don’t believe in having political party’s any more, they only cause corupt politic’s
Woodie 11.15.08 at 12:11 am
i’m going to bed…fritz is on my bed…im going to give him kisses and hugs and tell him what a good boy he was today…putting up with everything…nitey nite folks another day tomorow….
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:11 am
SouthernGAL68 I can relate to that. I have 2 Southern Baptist sisters who don’t believe I was born the way I was and think I am going to burn in hell for my sin.
When I was in Tampa, FL there was a big gay church. I was the chairwoman for the 2005 Clean and sober, Gay and Lesbian Dinner/Dance Celebration. We had over 500 guests.
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:12 am
Gnight Woodie and Fritz. May you both have sweet dreams.
HiHat 11.15.08 at 12:13 am
G’night. Woodie. Best wishes to fritz.
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:18 am
Just…some darker eye makeup….just some high heels…just…my ID….just a few $20’s and my ATM card….just…my lipliner….just…gonna
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:18 am
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:07 am I didn’t say I charged for the service. And I’m sorry you’re straight. Is it a terminal condition?
What’s the FIRST thing he begs for?
murphy 11.15.08 at 12:20 am
get a room you two.
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:21 am
murphy 11.15.08 at 12:20 am I tried to turn the topic back to politics. (A) Besides…cain’t~~she’s straight.
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:21 am
murphy.
gawd.
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:22 am
I rhought we were going to go after MSM for being so biased. Did we nix that?
mzebest 11.15.08 at 12:22 am
Has this been posted yet? Additional legal material filed that Obama’s mother accused of fraud on Obama’s birth documents
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/dr-tb-bradley-psy-d-forensic-psychologist-who-works-for-the-criminal-justice-system-and-the-courts-accuses-obamas-mother-of-fraud-on-obama-birth-docs/
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:22 am
Well, where is “the room” lol
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:22 am
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:21 am LOL
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 12:23 am
Goofsmom … I am about to the same point … sick of party politics!
Mountainsong … I know, trust me I have heard it all before. Gay people are not born that way. We choose this life! Etc… Do you still go to church?
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:24 am
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:22 am
Evidently there are some things you don’t know about me.
The room: mountainssong@gmail.com
gumbykat 11.15.08 at 12:26 am
On Austin’s news tonite, there were protesters today about the Caucus fraud in Texas. I could not find a clip from the TV station, but here is a story about it in the Austin paper.
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/local/11/15/1115demprimary.html
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 12:27 am
Funny thing … while I am siting here talking to yall … the news is on (FOX). They are talking about the fact that Obama COULD NOT pass his own Securiy test for employment.
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:29 am
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 12:23 am
Not anymore. There is a big one here that has invited me. But I’m just not comfortable going there. Unless I dress a certain way, and wear makeup, etcx, my gender appearance is very anbiguous and I always get alot of sexist comment when I go. Usually derogatory toward ‘female’, which I identify with and I end up getting pissed and smartmouthed about it and church just isn’t the place for that. So I just don’t go.
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:29 am
you just get right to business. lol! damn mountain. *grin*
sigh. I actually think I am heading out.
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 12:29 am
mountainsong …. me 2! I asked Murphy on an earlier post tonight … what happened to going after the media?
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:30 am
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:29 am
Huh? What business?
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:33 am
It kinda seems to me like CNN might be too insulated to get to, but the other Networks and MSNBC might not be so hard to get to, especially once they realize how many PUMA’s ther are, actually, and realize that we might exert some real influence of their advertisers.
kat in your hat 11.15.08 at 12:37 am
I knit doilies. never mind.
lol. argh.
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 12:37 am
I assume that it is NOT a gay and/or gay friendly church! That just pisses me off! Well, I go to a church that is predominately gay and I promise you one thing … NO ONE would EVER say anything to you about your appearance at my church! We would NOT stand for it -we would just be happy to see you there. I wish you lived here or had a place to go where you could “ome as you are”! I do understand how you feel … I am very sorry that any church would treat you that way! It is not right!
mzebest 11.15.08 at 12:38 am
Obama’s Mother accused of fraud on birth documents for both children:
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/dr-tb-bradley-psy-d-forensic-psychologist-who-works-for-the-criminal-justice-system-and-the-courts-accuses-obamas-mother-of-fraud-on-obama-birth-docs/
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:38 am
We are having a huge gay marriage protest in Seattle tomorrow!
Seattlegirl 11.15.08 at 12:38 am
I can’t figure out who would watch KEITH OLBERMAN anyway, I find I can never find the clicker fast enough when I figure out he is on. Does he really have very many viewers? I can’t see women, 52% of the population, watching cause he is just ugly and creepy. I guess he must have some boy fans. Ick!
Seattlegirl 11.15.08 at 12:39 am
mountainsong : Cool! were is the protest starting? Westlake cntr?
invalidresponse 11.15.08 at 12:40 am
SouthernGAL68
more reading that proves your partner right
http://blog.carryonpr.com/2008/11/05/prop-8-gay-marriage-and-social-media/
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:41 am
Mountainsong
Just a question, would we be more effective getting rid of one reporter ie KO or taking down one news station?
BrianH 11.15.08 at 12:41 am
murphy 11.15.08 at 12:09 am
brianh, it seems there is a LOT you dont know about being sexist.
here’s some reading suggestions:
http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2004/10/feminism-101.html//
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Waall, I think it was GBP who abjured, repudiated, and rejected all PC-isms forever a few miles downstairs. I’ve always had contempt for enforced nicey-nicey language, aka galumphing euphemisms and pretentious circumlocutions.
Sexism as an explanation for the world’s ills lacks way too much for the weight many seem to pile onto it. IAC, the enduring problem and fact seems to be that people WILL play sex games and roles, and have some enduring biologically-based gender differences. (I bet mountainsong could write a fascinating treatise on them!)
Hyper-prickly accusations of sexism are often not all that different from Omposter’s pre-emptive charges of racism against all actual and potential opponents. Both isms exist, and the world works better when they don’t stack the deck and suppress people; that’s the productive area to focus on, IMO. Reading others’ minds and telling them what they think was aptly characterized by Fritz Perls, Gestalt Therapy developer, as “mind-fucking” (in “The Intimate Enemy”). It arouses intense resentment and is a prominent form of emotional and argumentative cheating.
Just sayin’.
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:42 am
I wish I lived there, too. sometimes. It would be nice to live somewhere that it’s ok to just be who we are. Seattle is alot like that. but it costs a damn fortune to live there.
The church here is called ‘Christ the King’ and supposedly their doors are open to everyone.
I prolly should have stayed in Tampa. But sometimes I even feel bias from gays, believe it or not. The woman I lived with there is in Orlando now and wants me to come back there.I think about it.
Are you in New Orleans?
Seattlegirl 11.15.08 at 12:47 am
We do need to take on the media. The way I think it should be done is to work for Cable Choice so that people could pick the channels they want to subscribe to. Can you imagine the response if we could all just call up and cancel our subscription to CNN and MSNBC? If we actually had consumer rights? Sexism in the media wouldn’t need to be discussed because it would not be economically beneficial. Martin, the Republican FCC chairman is all for Cable Choice and I think we should push him into making it happen before BO takes office. With the way the media sucked up to him BO will never work for Cable Choice.
BrianH 11.15.08 at 12:48 am
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:41 am
Mountainsong
Just a question, would we be more effective getting rid of one reporter ie KO or taking down one news station?//
Are you taking lessons and ideas from the old, un-reformed Bill Ayers? Sounds kind of drastic! Need help?
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invalidresponse 11.15.08 at 12:48 am
I would not go as far as to say in North Louisiana it is “ok to be who you are” by any means……
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:49 am
Did you all hear that Alan Keyes filed a lawsuit in CA today on “O”’s eligibility
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931
DancesWithPumas 11.15.08 at 12:50 am
BrianH 11.15.08 at 12:04 am
gordana;
about the non-banning;
DWP was being sarcastic/ironic didactic, and forgot that non-verbal cues like raised eyebrows, slight smiles, nudge-nudge-wink-wink don’t come across in text! Smilies are kind of clumsy and klunky compared to real oral communication, and straight text is easy to misconstrue. There’s a tendency, I think, to make the words LOUDER to compensate, sort of like SHOUTING English in a foreign country to help the natives understand.
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BrianH 11.15.08 at 12:41 am
Reading others’ minds and telling them what they think was aptly characterized by Fritz Perls, Gestalt Therapy developer, as “mind-fucking” (in “The Intimate Enemy”). It arouses intense resentment and is a prominent form of emotional and argumentative cheating.
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Pompous windbag calls kettle black. Film at 11.
invalidresponse 11.15.08 at 12:52 am
rim shot
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:52 am
Brian H
I’m just thinking out loud right now… IMHO a more focused approach will get more attention than attacking the entire MSM. Once we take down one, then another and another until they start reporting the news instead of their opinion.
invalidresponse 11.15.08 at 12:52 am
better yet….NOTHING BUT NET!!!
Seattlegirl 11.15.08 at 12:54 am
goofsmom : OK, I would go along with your approach. Whatever is decided women consumers need more clout with the media. We need consumer rights.
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 12:54 am
I think Seattlegirl has hit on the best strategy. If we had real choice over our media subscription we would have a power they had to reckon with. All during this election season I felt like I was being ripped off when I paid my cable bill. I don’t want CNN or MSNBC, period.
murphy 11.15.08 at 12:57 am
i wasnt reading your mind BrianH. I was responding to your displayed ignorance of sexism and how it works.
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 12:58 am
Mountainsong … I am north of New Orleans. It is strange because everyone at my company knows about me. My partner is always meeting me at my office and they all accept her like she is my spouse. My neighbors all know … they are very loving and accepting as well! I would think that AZ would be that way … I am surprised! My paster is one of the best guys you could ever meet.
InvailidReponse … thanks 4 the post. My partner (at first) told me … don’t tell them that, they will think that I am a dumb-ass! I just showed her your post! We thought others my find it confusing as well!
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:58 am
Mountainsong and seattlegirl
I agree with you, however, that will take time and we should think about what we can do now…
BrianH 11.15.08 at 12:59 am
BillieJo 11.15.08 at 12:02 am
I saw that photo of Hillary on Dredge and the photo of Hillary is out of proportion. The entire photo should be elongated to the right proportion, making Hillary not only look thick but much shorter. Not a sexist statement at all, just a mis-sized photo.//
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Your description reminded me: supposedly the original Elizabethan meaning of “cute” was ’short, fat, and bow-legged’. (Like a baby, I guess!)
Seattlegirl 11.15.08 at 1:00 am
OK, for anyone who is interested, the first link describes Cable Choice the second link lets you uncheck the channels you don’t want and it calculates what your bill would be if you had consumer rights. This is from a conservative group but unlike oldtime “feminists” we need to link with other groups who share similar goals even when they are not ideologically pure, we do not need to join their church.
http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/cable/documents/TWCableChoice.asp
http://www.howcableshouldbe.com/
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 1:00 am
BableChoice might give us an effective weapon agains BO’s propaganda machine.
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 1:02 am
Cable Choice is an excellent idea but it must be passed first.
clintondemocrat 11.15.08 at 1:04 am
goofsmom,
Thank you for posting that link. It is very interesting and I do not believe to this day that Obama is qualified to be president. I also think we WILL NEVER see any action taken on the matter.
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 1:04 am
oops… Cable lol
BillieJo 11.15.08 at 1:05 am
Your description reminded me: supposedly the original Elizabethan meaning of “cute” was ’short, fat, and bow-legged’. (Like a baby, I guess!)
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Actually, I didn’t think the photo was cute in any way, just distorted and someone mentioned it earlier.
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:07 am
Goofsmom,
Just my opinion, he is NOT a “natural-born” citizen or he would show the damn thing! If nothing else, to shut us the hell up! I don’t get it! Is he so arrogant that he thinks that he can slide by (cheat and lie his way through this as well) or did he think we would not ask or what???? Please, help me to understand why this is still going on?????
BrianH 11.15.08 at 1:07 am
mzebest 11.15.08 at 12:22 am
Has this been posted yet? Additional legal material filed that Obama’s mother accused of fraud on Obama’s birth documents
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/dr-tb-bradley-psy-d-forensic-psychologist-who-works-for-the-criminal-justice-system-and-the-courts-accuses-obamas-mother-of-fraud-on-obama-birth-docs/ //
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Interesting, but his document seems rather unprofessional to me. Even more than Berg’s, he slips back and forth between legalese and colloquial opinionating, kind of like someone trying to talk smarter that what they is.
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 1:07 am
clintondemocrat
I hope you are wrong.. I really do. It is so important to our country and we all know that. There are so many lawsuits against him, one of them has to have standing… I’m hoping maybe the Keyes one will gain traction because he was a former candidate.
I try not to hope to much…
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 1:09 am
SouthernGAL68
I know it’s like an aweful never ending nightmare…
mzebest 11.15.08 at 1:11 am
Another fascinating story about how there’s such a blatant disregard for the law of the land these days. I can’t help but wonder if this is a product of Ayers education reform?
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/14/school-supplies-fake-social-security-numbers-to-teachers/
clintondemocrat 11.15.08 at 1:12 am
I think it’s going to be one of two things:
1) Republicans take over congress and then they start their own investigation
2) it comes out little by little bit by bit years after he is out of office and it’s one of those things that you KNOW all the pieces have been put together but we will never see it all together.
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 1:12 am
Seattlegirl 11.15.08 at 1:00 am
Dang!!! I’d save a third off my bill.
invalidresponse 11.15.08 at 1:12 am
SouthernGAL68
he so arrogant
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ding ding ding …give that lady a prize
BrianH 11.15.08 at 1:13 am
murphy 11.15.08 at 12:57 am
i wasnt reading your mind BrianH. I was responding to your displayed ignorance of sexism and how it works.//
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See? Joking becomes “displayed ignorance”. Sigh. Cain’t win against monomania.
mzebest 11.15.08 at 1:13 am
There’s also this file in the State of California – three websites reporting on it:
http://americamustknow.com/allenkeys.aspx
http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=973&posts=3
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 1:15 am
217
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:07 am
Is he even “natural-born” at all? Or some mad scientist’s test tube experiment gone horribly wrong???
BrianH 11.15.08 at 1:15 am
BillieJo 11.15.08 at 1:05 am
Your description reminded me: supposedly the original Elizabethan meaning of “cute” was ’short, fat, and bow-legged’. (Like a baby, I guess!)
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Actually, I didn’t think the photo was cute in any way, just distorted and someone mentioned it earlier.//
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Um, yes, I know. Was just relating a historical linguistic development illustrating how words and attitudes evolve over time. ‘Kay?
Jeez!
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 1:16 am
BrianH 11.15.08 at 1:15 am lol
Luckyseven 11.15.08 at 1:18 am
This was posted on Greta Wire. For all of those obamanots who wanted change they could believe in!
:mrred:
Fellow Business Executives:
As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned myself
to the fact that Barrack Obama
will be our next President, and that our taxes and government fees will increase
in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have to see an
increase in our fees to them of
about 8% but since we cannot increase our fees right now due to the dismal
state of our economy, we will have
to lay off six of our employees instead. This has really been eating at me for a
while, as we believe we are family
here and I didn’t know how to choose who will have to go.
So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper
stickers on our employees’ cars
and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can’t think of a more
fair way to approach this problem.
These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.
If you have a better idea, let me know.
Sincerely,
Bob
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 1:18 am
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 12:58 am
I guess, “for now” we could become citizens of New Zealand or something…..
invalidresponse 11.15.08 at 1:19 am
anyone else hear the theme to Jaws in their heads??
BrianH 11.15.08 at 1:19 am
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 1:07 am
clintondemocrat
I hope you are wrong.. I really do. It is so important to our country and we all know that. There are so many lawsuits against him, one of them has to have standing… I’m hoping maybe the Keyes one will gain traction because he was a former candidate.
I try not to hope to much…//
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Well, the Keyes one gives me real hope. He’s a bona-fide competing politician, who should definitely have “standing”. BTW, someone elsewhere pointed out that this “standing” requirement is not in the Constitution or statutes. It is a precedent developed over time by jusdges to control and limit frivolous and nuisance suits.
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:19 am
Well guys … I have enjoyed talking to yall, as always! My partner is summonsing me to “get off the computer”, so we can watch a movie. By the way, I get alot of flack over yall! HA! She says to me, “you are always on that computer talking to your pumas”! or it is … “How much longer”?? She doesn’t care … she just nags me about being on the computer for sooooo long!
BrianH 11.15.08 at 1:20 am
erk, typo: “judges”, not “jusdges”.
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 1:21 am
Pretty place, but I don’t want to leave.. so I guess we have to fight it out with the bad guys… sigh..
invalidresponse 11.15.08 at 1:22 am
SouthernGAL68
Next time tell her to pull up a chair and join in
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:22 am
Mountainsong … the latter of the two — gone terribly wrong!
Invaidresponse … yes! that is the ket word!
clintondemocrat 11.15.08 at 1:24 am
I think he’s some kind of science accident because to imply that he was born would be to imply that he is human and consequently fallible and that would begin to degrade the facade of the messaiah (MLK Reborn to some people) from on high
MKfromLA 11.15.08 at 1:25 am
SouthernGAL68
Sorry I should have commented brb. I hope you don’t think I was ignoring you. Went to walk the dogs. You are probably in bed by now, but to answer your question:
The Prop 8 Arguments For & Against are all in this really big voter’s pamphlet, along with all the other ballot initiatives. Putting polarizing initiatives on the ballot is standard procedure in California in presidential election years. Brings out the vote.
But what is seen on the ballot is exactly what I sent above …
ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME–SEX COUPLES TO MARRY. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
clintondemocrat 11.15.08 at 1:26 am
I hope that I am wrong, too. I do, of course. But, “given the historical nature of the election” I don’t think ANYONE wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole, literally.
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 1:28 am
clintondemocrat
I know no one wants to touch it. Sigh… It has to happen though..
BrianH 11.15.08 at 1:32 am
It has occurred to me what the behavior of Obots reminds me of: Obotomy patients.
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:36 am
Invalidresponse,
She actually has before. Funny story!
I am a BIG TIME animal lover. We have 6 dogs …. Don’t ask! Okay, I find strays who are in a bad shape and I do not have the heart to leave them behind. My partner has warned me one inch of my life NOT to bring another dog home.
Well, one day I am sitting here chatting (as usual) and one of the pumas said that “she had a puppy she wanted to give away.” This girl/puma was begging me to take this puppy
I told Audra. (shit-i used her name)
Audra said move over … and sits down at my desk! She types back to her … the only way (southerngal) is getting this puppy is …. you will be getting Southerngal for the puppy! (EXCHANGE THING) Audra continues to describe (my short-comings) and says to the girl …. Now you see, you are better off keeping the puppy! It was actually funny as hell!
That was her brief encounter!
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:38 am
MKfromLA,
I was just telling the story about the day my partner offered me in exchange for your puppy! Invaidresponse said, something about my partner “pulling up a chair”! I told her that she did once …. to exchange me for your puppy!
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:38 am
MKfromLA,
I was just telling the story about the day my partner offered me in exchange for your puppy! Invaidresponse said, something about my partner “pulling up a chair”! I told her that she did once …. to exchange me for your puppy!
goofsmom 11.15.08 at 1:39 am
Good night all…
Time for me to head off to slumberland…
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:41 am
MKfromLa … was it that LONG thing … that I read earlier??
Is so, heck that would be confusing to anyone!
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:41 am
goofsmom…goodnight! sleep well
mountainsong 11.15.08 at 1:42 am
SouthernGAL68 What a cute story!
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:44 am
O’yea … but true! She is “over” the 6 dog thing! I just can not leave an animal starved etc…
SouthernGAL68 11.15.08 at 1:48 am
Okay! I am really leaving now … I said that 20 minutes ago! Ha!
Mountainsong … You have a very good night! I enjoyed it!
MKfromLA 11.15.08 at 1:49 am
DancesWithPumas 11.15.08 at 12:50 am
Pompous windbag calls kettle black
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I almost never actually LOL. That made me LOL.
PUMAbear also LOL.
clintondemocrat 11.15.08 at 1:54 am
goodnight everyone
MKfromLA 11.15.08 at 1:59 am
SouthernGAL68
Molly was a very bad dog tonight on our walk. Please tell Audra I am reconsidering the exchange. You cannot possibly be as bad as Molly.
invalidresponse
It’s all true.
BillieJo 11.15.08 at 2:30 am
For anyone that is still awake, Cannonfire is pretty funny:
The perfect plates for serving Kool-Aid!
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/
MKfromLA 11.15.08 at 2:38 am
Thank you BillieJo. Cannonfire is hilarious tonight. Perfect nightcap.
g’night all
BillieJo 11.15.08 at 2:42 am
One last link on No Quarter that is worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rb8aOzy9t4&eurl=http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/14/introductions-and-late-night-open-thread/
MKfromLA 11.15.08 at 2:46 am
You’re right BillieJo. That last one’s worth staying up for! Thanks!
sue66 11.15.08 at 2:48 am
Karen, Mick Please stay ;and please keep posting. We need both of you and we need all PUMA’s. Any group is going to occasionally have conflicts but take a deep breath and let it wash over you. Get a good nights sleep and I hope we talk in the morning.
sandipuma 11.15.08 at 3:02 am
Will Rogers, who died in a plane crash with Wylie Post in 1935, was probably the greatest political sage this country has ever known.
Enjoy the following:
1. Never slap a man who’s chewing tobacco.
2. Never kick a cow chip on a hot day.
3. There are 2 theories to arguing with a woman…
neither works.
4. Never miss a good chance to shut up.
5. Always drink upstream from the herd.
6. If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
7. The quickest way to double your money
is to fold it and put it back in your pocket.
8. There are three kinds of men:
The ones that learn by reading.
The few who learn by observation.
The rest of them have to
pee on the electric fence
and find out for themselves.
9. Good judgment comes from experience,
and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.
10. If you’re riding’ ahead of the herd,
take a look back every now and then
to make sure it’s still there.
11. Lettin’ the cat outta the bag is a whole
lot easier’n puttin’ it back.
12. After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring.
He kept it up until a hunter came along
and shot him.
The moral:
When you’re full of bull,
keep your mouth shut.
ABOUT GROWING OLDER…
First ~ Eventually you will reach a point
when you stop lying about your age
and start bragging about it.
Second ~ The older we get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
Third ~ Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know “why” I look this way. I’ve traveled a long way and some of the roads weren’t paved.
Fourth ~ When you are dissatisfied
and would like to go back to youth,
think of Algebra.
Fifth ~ You know you are getting old when everything either dries up or leaks.
Sixth ~ I don’t know how I got over the hill
without getting to the top.
Seventh ~ One of the many things no one tells you about aging is that it is such a nice change from being young.
Eighth ~ One must wait until evening
to see how splendid the day has been.
Ninth ~ Being young is beautiful,
but being old is comfortable.
And finally ~
If you don’t learn to laugh at trouble,
you won’t have anything to laugh
at when you are old.
sandipuma 11.15.08 at 3:08 am
Hi everyone and lurker pumas.Yes we love having all out pumas stay.We have ups and downs but thats something that happens once in a while. Let it flow away.
sandipuma 11.15.08 at 3:11 am
Hmmm i guess i’m alone. Maybe i should turn off the lights. Hope no one stubs a paw and breaks a claw.
sue66 11.15.08 at 3:30 am
It is 3:30 and I have to be up at 5:00. Don’t really think it’s worth going to bed, should just go watch tv.
BrianH 11.15.08 at 3:51 am
Sandi;
Thanks for the Rogers-isms. Passed them on. But … I LIKED Algebra!
jennforhillary 11.15.08 at 3:57 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA
BrianH 11.15.08 at 3:58 am
VDH has a sobering and trenchant look at the Obama Options:
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/what-obama-might-do/
Including some
Final Campaign thoughts.
I offer these not out of partisanship but real concern and confusion
1) I pray each night that Barack Obama gets up healthy and stays that way—since the idea of Joe Biden as President is as frightening as Sarah Palin is not. Even Al Gore’s similar combination of ego and surrealism is no match for Biden’s self-important outbursts. I don’t think Putin and Chavez will say, “Aw shucks, that’s just old Joe being Joe Biden.”
2) Why didn’t McCain just once say: “Mr. Obama: Bill Ayers bragged about bombing our country right before 9/11. You were 40, then, not eight. So why did you keep emailing this unrepentant terrorist for the next four years?”
3) What was the sanctimonious refusal to evoke Rev. Wright all about? Why didn’t McCain just say: “Mr. Obama: you claimed in 2004 you never missed a service at Trinity. A few you months ago you said you did. Which is it—when you run for Senate in Illinois you brag you’re a loyal worshiper with Rev. Wright, but when you run for President you say you’re not? The issue isn’t race; it is your character.”
…
RTWT
BrianH 11.15.08 at 4:21 am
A comment I left over on VDH’s site:
This campaign has been the most masterful exercise in getting the public to buy a Pig in a Poke that I have ever seen, or heard of.
One might almost suspect that the secrecy was a deliberate strategy. After all, it makes that “projection screen” effect so much easier and neater when the screen isn’t cluttered with information.
D’ya suppose this was in fact a deliberate fact-free campaign? “They cain’t hit whut they cain’t see” is likely another part of the reasoning, if so.
sue66 11.15.08 at 5:14 am
The Woody-isms are a great way to start the day. Why is the coffee taking so long…..
BrianH 11.15.08 at 5:17 am
DWP;
I won’t respond to your jibe, except to say that I was not criticizing you; the phenomena of over-the-top language, misunderstandings due to missing non-verbal cues, and other side-effects of using text for “quick response” communication are well known and documented in internet studies. They were initially an attempt to explain the “flame wars” that broke out on numerous sites, in which normally restrained or normally normal people began going verbally berserk.
The ‘chopped-up’ nature of conversations on an unstructured blog comment system like this makes it even more likely that things will be missed and mis-read.
turndownobama 11.15.08 at 6:42 am
BrianH 11.15.08 at 4:21 am
A comment I left over on VDH’s site:
This campaign has been the most masterful exercise in getting the public to buy a Pig in a Poke that I have ever seen, or heard of.
One might almost suspect that the secrecy was a deliberate strategy. After all, it makes that “projection screen” effect so much easier and neater when the screen isn’t cluttered with information.
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D’ya suppose this was in fact a deliberate fact-free campaign? “They cain’t hit whut they cain’t see” is likely another part of the reasoning, if so.
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Obama said something like that in one of his books.
turndownobama 11.15.08 at 6:45 am
{{{{ karen }}}
Haven’t met Mick.
turndownobama 11.15.08 at 6:56 am
As to whether gay is a choice or not — imo a gay lifestyle deserves protection either way! No one should have to pass some sort of medical or genetic test to choose to live with someone of the same sex.
turndownobama 11.15.08 at 7:20 am
I think real sexism does cause a large proportion of the world’s ills — even just things like a macho type honking at some old female driver in an intersection, is too destructive.
However, using a ‘he’s a sexist’ card can be as destructive as Obama’s racist card (especially when used against someone who is in fact an ally to the feminist cause, or willing to function as an ally).
There’s a continuum. In my ordinary life I meet very few people I’d call ‘a’ racist or ‘a’ sexist. To put such an extreme label on someone is likely to INCREASE negative feelings toward the group in question. (Or toward the cultural sub-set of the biological group.)
ontherocks 11.15.08 at 7:48 am
Good morning pumas!!!
Some early morning humor have a great everyone!
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Questions That Make ya go HHMMMMM
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
Why do you have to “put your two cents in”… but it’s
only a “penny for your thoughts”? Where’s that extra penny going to?
Once you’re in heaven, do you get stuck wearing the clothes you were buried in for eternity?
How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?
Why are you IN a movie, but you’re ON TV?
Why do doctors leave the room while you change?
They’re going to see you naked anyway.
Why is “bra” singular and “panties” plural?
Why do toasters always have a setting that burns the toast to a horrible crisp, which no decent human being would eat?
Can a hearse carrying a corpse drive in the carpool lane ?
Why does Goofy stand erect while Pluto remains on all fours?
They’re both dogs!
If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from
vegetables, what is baby oil made from?
Did you ever notice that when you blow in a dog’s face, he gets mad at you, but when you take him for a car ride, he sticks his head out the window?
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bmw60 11.15.08 at 8:27 am
I was watching O’Reilly this morning (rerun from last night) —- yes, I got up mighty early here on the East Coast — and saw the commentary by Glenn Beck on the Interview of Ayers on GMA… and I would like to propose a PROWL…
It would go like this… Writing a letter of protest to the Dean of Education of the University of Illinois at Chicago protesting a known UNREPENTANT terrorist teaching the children of the USA.??? And how about a prowl to Good Morning America… Hey, my personal decision is not to watch any programs on ABC … until they apologize for having this man on their show to sell his new book … wonder if the book is the one dedicated to COP killers???
Shall I propose it to Murphy? Would you go along with it? How about some feedback?
sue66 11.15.08 at 8:31 am
PUMA’S, please read the headline article at TheStar.com. I realize this assault of two ladies happened in Canada, but is it the start of a new wave of hate crimes. These ladies are married and were picking up their children at school and were assaulted by another parent. This guy is charged with assault causing bodily harm, they want him charged with a hate crime as well. I most certainly have written to support this. It happened about 30 miles away from where I live. It just makes me so mad I could hiss and spit, so I’m letting my keyboard do it for me, but in a polite enough fashion not to get pitched.
Woodie 11.15.08 at 8:35 am
whoever or whatever you said to karenWI STOP IT….AND BE NICE PLEASE…
i dont understand what happened something to do with mick?
TexasTigress 11.15.08 at 8:38 am
Sue – thanks for the story of the 2 moms being beaten by a male parent in front of all of the children while picking up their child from school . Here’s the link .
http://www.thestar.com/article/534469
Notyoursweetie 11.15.08 at 8:41 am
Oh, noes! Obama is not for women? The Duh realization of the year
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/duh-some-women-discover-they-are-under-the-bus/
sue66 11.15.08 at 8:45 am
Thanks for posting the link TexasTigress, I was so mad I didn’t even think about it.
TexasTigress 11.15.08 at 8:46 am
Thanks to all the PUMAS participating in Prop Hate demonstrations today !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Woodie 11.15.08 at 9:15 am
Taking care of fritzy electrolytes and i think i will give him some laxatone, he is not a happy camper right now…and another bath.
hopefully he will be back to his old self soon…
gypsy rebel 11.15.08 at 9:16 am
Woodie Ditto!
GBPuma 11.15.08 at 9:20 am
Quote of the Day – P. J. O’Rourke – “The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop.”
sue66 11.15.08 at 9:23 am
Woodie
Glad to hear kitty is stable I don’t think I’d dare give Oberon a bath. He’s a long hair that weights 22 lbs. He’s a big kitty and a big suck.
We should have a cat pic area so we can show off our pets. They seem a constant in the threads and are so obviously part of the family.
victorypuma 11.15.08 at 9:31 am
Woodie,
My home state is Florida, but I am currently on a work assignment in Europe. I will ask my genius (really) veterinarian whats involved in treatment and/or surgery for Fritzy’s condition. He saved many of my cats. Maybe he even knows a good samaritan veterinarian in your city. What city do you live in?
The vets have a close knit community just like, lawyers, politicians (HA HA) and others. Please get my email address from Murphy. Just like jenniforhillary – I am concerned about Fritzy’s condition. You do have much on your hands, and you probably take care of your mother too. I can just imagine Fritzy wrapped up in a blanket – purring and happy because he is so clean. When you get my email address – please write in detail your kitty’s medical description, etc. so I can ask my vet. Hang in there!!!
Woodie 11.15.08 at 9:34 am
Yes i think your right, i have been bathing fritzy since i bought him from the human society. Only when he needs it maybe 4 times a year. although i did send a pic of fritzy to murphy. you might want to ask her…his 15 lbs. orange with green eyes and big fluffy tail and very smart. he knows everything i say, a lot of words and phrases for sure
)
sistermoon3 11.15.08 at 9:37 am
Born Valerie Bowman
November 14, 1956 (1956-11-14) (age 52)
Shiraz, Iran
Valerie Jarrett, obambi’s senior advisor, you know, the puzzle
is being put in place isnt it. A diehard dem friend of mine
came by yesterday and got real bitchy with me when i didnt agree with her that obama was brilliant, i said he’s cunning, but not brilliant at which she really flew off the handle. I dont give a
crap, i told her i had the right to speak my mind just like she did.
As far as the Secretary of State job, i dont like any of his choices
including Hillary Clinton. This will prove only one thing. She was bought and paid for by the obama camp. Thus the 70 appearances
supporting the one, that one. Im so freaking sick of that one already i dont know what to do and all his cronies. And why the hell
is John McCain going there, hell, he will be talking to a wall.
sue66 11.15.08 at 9:38 am
Canada has had same sex marriage for quite a few years now, since 2003 I think. Guess what? Nothing! No societal breakdown, no riots in the streets. Nothing. I’ve been to a lot of friends marriages in the past few years and they are delighted to be mainstream now. My favorite was a black and white wedding, Nick wore white, Thom wore black and even the cake was black and white. By the way, it was a church wedding. It seems strange sometimes to be a US citizen living in Canada but boy do I get different viewpoints on a lot of things. For what it’s worth, in my opinion, same sex marriage is long overdue in the US. We have a lot of people coming here for just that reason.
Woodie 11.15.08 at 9:41 am
Hi Victory:
I live in Chula Vista, CA. a good samaritian vet would be good. I would prepfer board certified as i would not want to lose him on the table. My vet has diagnosed him with megacolon. it is cronic, no cure, the colon has to be dissected and put back together again and antibiotics need to be given afterwards. basically the colon has enlarged and he does not have enough strength, nerves to push out the poop.
What part of europe are you in? i hail from london, england i was born there and we lived in germany. I was young and had a good time.:)) i will ask murphy for your email but she must be busy as she has not answered any of my emails with regards to those sort of requests yet.
CJ 11.15.08 at 9:51 am
morning
sandipuma 11.15.08 at 9:52 am
Do you believe that liberals already dominate the media?
Do you think biased coverage played a large part in the outcome of the presidential election?
If you think things were bad in that regard…
IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE ALLOW LIBERALS TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THEIR PLANS TO IMPOSE THE SO-CALLED FAIRNESS DOCTRINE AND SUCCEED IN SILENCING CONSERVATIVE TALK-RADIO HOSTS LIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH AND SEAN HANNITY AND LAURA INGRAHAM!
Do liberals actually believe that conservative opinions are pornography?
Are liberals so threatened that they’re plotting and planning right now, at this very minute, to silence conservative thoughts and opinions from the public airwaves?
You be the judge.
FOX News asked Senator Chuck Schumer if liberals in Congress will try to implement the so-called Fairness Doctrine – a measure specifically designed to shut down Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and conservative talk radio.
Schumer replied indignantly:
“Do you think we should allow people to put pornography on the air? Absolutely not. Particularly on television or radio.”
Huh? No, it’s NOT a joke! And he didn’t stop there.
Schumer nastily admonished decent Americans for some imagined hypocrisy:
“The very same people who don’t want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] to limit pornography on the air…. That’s not consistent.”
It’s almost beyond belief.
We couldn’t have made it up!
Is Schumer so unhinged that he’s not even capable of understanding the fundamental difference between smut and political expression?
Craig Parshall, general counsel for the National Religious Broadcasters said:
“I was stunned by Senator Schumer’s suggestion that by keeping filth off the air, the federal government has somehow become empowered to take over the control of legitimate programming content of broadcasters.”
But Parshall missed one very important point.
With control of the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives, Schumer and his liberal colleagues are twisting the First Amendment’s guarantees of Freedom of Speech and of the Press – ALL TO SET THE STAGE TO SILENCE RUSH, HANNITY AND OTHERS.
If you’re a liberal, you can burn the flag, put four-letter-word bumper stickers on your car, commit lewd acts on-stage, play profane rap music loudly on your car radio, produce, rent and distribute the most disgusting filth in broad daylight and on the Internet in plain view of minors and even use taxpayer dollars to depict Jesus suspended in bodily waste.
But when it comes to shutting down conservative thoughts and opinions, now that they have grabbed the reins of power, liberals are making control over the content of speech a top priority!
They’re plotting and maneuvering behind the scenes to make it happen RIGHT NOW!
Peter Kirsanow writing in National Review Online tells us why this fight is URGENT:
“Imposition of some form of the Fairness Doctrine likely will be one of the Democrats’ agenda items for the first 100 days of the new administration. It’s important that conservatives begin working now to stop it.”
Kirsanow went on:
“Waiting until Inauguration Day to get geared up is too late. By that time the Fairness Doctrine Express will be at full steam— wavering Democrats will be pressed to support the new Democratic president, weak-kneed Republicans will want to display comity, the mainstream media will not be saddened to see talk radio annihilated and much of the public will be too enraptured by Obama’s Camelot inauguration to notice or care.”
Kirsanow is right.
There is not a moment to lose. If we take a stand now, we can defeat this threat to our civil liberties.
If we wait, it will be too late.
Use the hyperlink below and bombard President George W. Bush and the Republican Members of the Senate with your Blast Faxes. Demand that they stand firm against any attempt by liberals in Congress to effectively outlaw the First Amendment.
We must act now! Liberals in Congress may try to sneak the Fairness Doctrine into legislation any day now. Liberal pundits inside the Beltway and members of the elite media are already attempting to sell conservative Senators on the notion that their only chance for political survival is to display comity. Unless they hear from you now, they WILL believe it, as they have in the past.
We can win this fight. It only takes 40 Senators to stand firm . But if patriotic Americans do not speak up, we will lose this fight for our liberties.
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“Congress Shall Make No Law…”
You might think it’s almost beyond belief, but we presently face.They feared the danger to such an extent that that would trample on the rights of the people. To them the danger was real: It was not a fluke that the above words came first. Our Founding Fathers knew that . And they knew that once the government began eliminating our First Amendment freedoms, all of our other rights would fall like dominoes. Despots in the modern era knew it as well. Gaining control of the media is typically the first act of a leftist usurper. But this is the United States where, unfortunately, . Kirsanow again: quoting Senator Ben Cardin of Maryland: … ? Without conservative talk radio … period! It’s simple. No conservative talk radio means there is no voice of dissent. No voice of dissent means no free speech and no free speech means that nothing stands in the way of those in government who wish to oppress the governed.
You might think it’s almost beyond belief, but our Founding Fathers understood and dreaded the danger we presently face.
They feared the danger to such an extent that they ratified, as the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, words they thought would be our primary line of defense against the government evolving into a tyranny that would trample on the rights of the people.
To them the danger was real:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech….”
It was not a fluke that the above words came first.
Our Founding Fathers knew that all of our rights flow directly from those fundamental liberties.
And they knew that once the government began eliminating our First Amendment freedoms, all of our other rights would fall like dominoes.
Despots in the modern era knew it as well.
Gaining control of the media is typically the first act of a leftist usurper.
When Castro took power in Cuba, he imprisoned journalists en masse and continued to do so throughout his regime, holding those who opposed him indefinitely without charges.
When Josef Stalin returned from exile in March of 1917 he immediately assumed control of an underground publication founded by Leon Trotsky called Pravda (which, ironically, translates as “Truth”) and made it an official arm of the Soviet Communist Party. Pravda became and remained the chief propaganda arm of the Soviet Communist Party until it was shut down in 1991 by Boris Yeltsin. Subscription to Pravda was MANDATORY.
Immediately after assuming power in 1933, Adolf Hitler placed Joseph Goebbels in charge of the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. All journalists, writers, and artists were required to register with the ministry.
But this is the United States where, unfortunately, such strong-arm tactics are not necessary because liberals already control the media, EXCEPT for conservative talk radio.
Kirsanow again:
“Talk radio is the most important medium conservatives have. It’s the only medium conservatives dominate. But liberals aren’t content to have only NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, AP, Reuters, Newsweek, Time, the NY Times, Washington Post, Hollywood, etc. Stray conservative thoughts might escape into the population, you know.”
CNSNews quoting Senator Ben Cardin of Maryland:
“The government ‘has the responsibility’ to make sure there are a ‘variety of opportunities for people to get information,’ said Senator Ben Cardin (D-Md.) when asked about the Fairness Doctrine at the Democratic Senatorial Committee election night party on Tuesday.”
“Variety of Opportunities”… ?
Without conservative talk radio THERE IS NO “VARIETY”… period!
It’s simple. No conservative talk radio means there is no voice of dissent. No voice of dissent means no free speech and no free speech means that nothing stands in the way of those in government who wish to oppress the governed.
Use the hyperlink below and bombard President George W. Bush and the Republican Members of the Senate with your Blast Faxes. Demand that they stand firm against any attempt by liberals in Congress to effectively outlaw the First Amendment.
We must act now! Liberals in Congress may try to sneak the Fairness Doctrine into legislation any day now. Liberal pundits inside the Beltway and members of the elite media are already attempting to sell conservative Senators on the notion that their only chance for political survival is to display comity. Unless they hear from you now, they WILL believe it, as they have in the past.
We can win this fight. It only takes 40 Senators to stand firm . But if patriotic Americans do not speak up, we will lose this fight for our liberties.
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How It Works…
The sad truth is that liberal elites in the media and in government are totally oblivious to concepts like freedom and fairness and balance. Their . And the so-called is their means to achieve that end. How, you ask? Years ago the was simply policy at the FCC. Bill Ruder, John F. Kennedy’s Assistant Secretary of Commerce, spelled it out: Former Reagan Budget Director James Miller put it another way: To put it another way, ? Say good-bye to conservative talk-radio. Make no mistake, the racket you’ll soon be hearing in Washington will be the ker-blam of the wrecking ball, battering down freedom of speech in America, as Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid use the so-called to reduce the First Amendment to rubble and haul it away in dump trucks.
The sad truth is that liberal elites in the media and in government are totally oblivious to concepts like freedom and fairness and balance.
Their ONLY agenda is to control all debate, opinion and political discourse.
And the so-called Fairness Doctrine is their means to achieve that end.
How, you ask?
Years ago the Fairness Doctrine was simply policy at the FCC.
Bill Ruder, John F. Kennedy’s Assistant Secretary of Commerce, spelled it out:
“Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness Doctrine to challenge and harass right-wing broadcasters and hope the challenges would be so costly to them that they would be inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continue.”
Former Reagan Budget Director James Miller put it another way:
“Put yourself in the position of the broadcaster: your very existence is dependent on the FCC’s renewing your license every few years. And the FCC says you must offer ‘balanced’ programming. What does this mean?”
To put it another way, what do you suppose stations would do if they had to provide “balance” to Rush and Hannity and Ingraham AS DICTATED BY NANCY PELOSI and Charles Schumer?
Say good-bye to conservative talk-radio.
Make no mistake, the racket you’ll soon be hearing in Washington will be the ker-blam of the wrecking ball, battering down freedom of speech in America, as Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid use the so-called Fairness Doctrine to reduce the First Amendment to rubble and haul it away in dump trucks.
Use the hyperlink below and bombard President George W. Bush and the Republican Members of the Senate with your Blast Faxes. Demand that they stand firm against any attempt by liberals in Congress to effectively outlaw the First Amendment.
We must act now! Liberals in Congress may try to sneak the Fairness Doctrine into legislation any day now. Liberal pundits inside the Beltway and members of the elite media are already attempting to sell conservative Senators on the notion that their only chance for political survival is to display comity. Unless they hear from you now, they WILL believe it, as they have in the past.
We can win this fight. It only takes 40 Senators to stand firm . But if patriotic Americans do not speak up, we will lose this fight for our liberties.
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It Is No Secret.
Liberals in Congress have been trying to . It’s the ! Here’s a quote from Senator James Inhofe recounting a conversation he claims he heard between Senator Dianne Feinstein and Senator Hillary Clinton: Here’s former Vice-President Al Gore, unable to squelch his contempt for conservative talk radio in general and Rush Limbaugh in particular: Here’s Michael Ortiz, a spokesman with the Obama campaign, explaining why Barrack Obama believes the so-called does not go far enough. Pay particular attention to the code words: Here’s a quote from Senator Richard Durbin, the man who compared our brave men and women in uniform to but had to begrudgingly apologize after being called on the carpet by conservative talk-radio hosts: Here’s Senator John Kerry attempting to advance the idiotic fantasy that conservative opinion dominates the media and liberal opinions are not heard: And here’s Senator Dianne Feinstein equating shutting-down the opinions of the minority with fairness:
Liberals in Congress have been trying to shut-down conservative talk-radio for years.
It’s the first item on their agenda!
Here’s a quote from Senator James Inhofe recounting a conversation he claims he heard between Senator Dianne Feinstein and Senator Hillary Clinton:
“They said we’ve got to do something about this. These are nothing but far right-wing extremists…. There’s got to be a legislative fix for this…”
Here’s former Vice-President Al Gore, unable to squelch his contempt for conservative talk radio in general and Rush Limbaugh in particular:
“[T]hen immediately afterwards, Rush Limbaugh and other hate-mongers began to fill the airwaves.”
Here’s Michael Ortiz, a spokesman with the Obama campaign, explaining why Barrack Obama believes the so-called Fairness Doctrine does not go far enough. Pay particular attention to the code words:
“He considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible, that is why Senator Obama supports media ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets.”
Here’s a quote from Senator Richard Durbin, the man who compared our brave men and women in uniform to “NAZIs,” but had to begrudgingly apologize after being called on the carpet by conservative talk-radio hosts:
“It’s time to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine. I have this old-fashioned attitude that when Americans hear both sides of the story, they’re in a better position to make a decision.”
Here’s Senator John Kerry attempting to advance the idiotic fantasy that conservative opinion dominates the media and liberal opinions are not heard:
“I think the Fairness Doctrine ought to be there… one of the most profound changes in the balance of the media is when the conservatives got rid of the equal time requirements and the result is that they have been able to squeeze down and squeeze out opinion of opposing views.”
And here’s Senator Dianne Feinstein equating shutting-down the opinions of the minority with fairness:
“I believe very strongly that the airwaves are public and people use these airwaves for profit. But there is a responsibility to see that both sides and not just one side of the big public questions of debate of the day are aired and are aired with some modicum of fairness.”
Use the hyperlink below and bombard President George W. Bush and the Republican Members of the Senate with your Blast Faxes. Demand that they stand firm against any attempt by liberals in Congress to effectively outlaw the First Amendment.
We must act now! Liberals in Congress may try to sneak the Fairness Doctrine into legislation any day now. Liberal pundits inside the Beltway and members of the elite media are already attempting to sell conservative Senators on the notion that their only chance for political survival is to display comity. Unless they hear from you now, they WILL believe it, as they have in the past.
We can win this fight. It only takes 40 Senators to stand firm . But if patriotic Americans do not speak up, we will lose this fight for our liberties.
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Our Side Knows The Score As Well.
Here’s President Bush: Here’s Martha Zoller, writing for the recounting a quick with Nancy Pelosi a few months ago: Here’s Cliff Kincaid with Accuracy in Media quoting the Democratic Platform; as with the statement from the Obama campaign, pay particular attention to the liberal code words: And finally, David Limbaugh sums it all up: The time to act is now. Pelosi, Schumer, Reid and other extreme-liberals in Congress will move quickly… possibly any day now. When they’re done, the First Amendment might as well read:
Here’s President Bush:
“By insisting on so-called balance, [liberals] want to silence those they don’t agree with. They know they cannot prevail in the public debate of ideas.”
Here’s Martha Zoller, writing for the Business & Media Institute recounting a quick Q and A with Nancy Pelosi a few months ago:
“The do-nothing Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said last week that she supports reviving the Fairness Doctrine… When pressed further on whether she would allow the Broadcaster Freedom Act to repeal the Fairness Doctrine permanently, Pelosi said, ‘ No… The interest in my caucus is the reverse.’”
Here’s Cliff Kincaid with Accuracy in Media quoting the Democratic Platform; as with the statement from the Obama campaign, pay particular attention to the liberal code words:
“’We will encourage diversity in the ownership of broadcast media, promote the development of new media outlets for expression of diverse viewpoints, and clarify the public interest obligations of broadcasters who occupy the nation’s spectrum,’ the Democratic platform says.”
And finally, David Limbaugh sums it all up:
“The left supports campaign finance reform, the Fairness Doctrine and other policies allegedly aimed at ensuring that both sides of the political argument be aired. But it’s a colossal fraud. Can you imagine what would be in store for political speech in this country if liberals resumed regulatory control of the airways? I can and am horrified at the prospect; and you should be, too.”
The time to act is now.
Pelosi, Schumer, Reid and other extreme-liberals in Congress will move quickly… possibly any day now.
When they’re done, the First Amendment might as well read:
Congress shall endeavor to make laws disrespecting establishments of religion, prohibiting the free exercise thereof; abridging the freedom of speech, and the right of the people peaceably to assemble…
Use the hyperlink below and bombard President George W. Bush and the Republican Members of the Senate with your Blast Faxes. Demand that they stand firm against any attempt by liberals in Congress to effectively outlaw the First Amendment.
We must act now! Liberals in Congress may try to sneak the Fairness Doctrine into legislation any day now. Liberal pundits inside the Beltway and members of the elite media are already attempting to sell conservative Senators on the notion that their only chance for political survival is to display comity. Unless they hear from you now, they WILL believe it, as they have in the past.
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Griffin 11.15.08 at 9:55 am
“Why do you have to “put your two cents in”… but it’s
only a “penny for your thoughts”? Where’s that extra penny going to?”
To corporate America, of course.
murphy 11.15.08 at 9:58 am
Morning Pumas! today is a new day, and it’s time to get off our butts and get back to work.
Please voulnteer for at least one activity in the thread above, and
take it upstairs!
DeadGirl 11.15.08 at 10:09 am
Sandipuma, I wish they were not villifying liberals. The true term to use now is Obamaists. or Obamaoists. I am a proud liberal, and with that in mind, I object to any censorship. If people want to listen to one side or the other, it is sick to subject people to opposing view for the sake of “fairness”.
Woodie 11.15.08 at 11:02 am
I think the trouble is we all too smart, high IQs etc. and we are more aware and informed than most, frankly, i get real frustrated and want towring their stupid necks…I hear FOX bringing up stuff now, well he cant pass his own security clearance for god’s sake, it’s like reverse psychology, they like to screw with your head all the time..they are so sick and so obvious. if they were so concerned, why didn’t the mainstream news media mention all this crap about obama then. after the fact, is a joke…pisses me off!!
Woodie 11.15.08 at 11:10 am
sistermoon, do a search on brainwashing by obama…its a 67 pg. report that explains just how obama brainwashed people when was on the stump. It said one of the obvious clues that a person has been brainwashed is they get very nasty if you bring up the subject. Also there are key words when they hear them, they become aggitated. Its really interesting article. So don’t take it personal if those obamanites jump down your throat. Just stear clear of them. they will not change their mind.
God I wish just one thing wrong about obama would come out and nail him to the cross. just one thing!!
Woodie 11.15.08 at 11:14 am
KarenWI where are you? don’t let guy bother you whoever he is.
please come back. I enjoy your posts and contributions and views toward this blog. i read them always…
Woodie 11.15.08 at 11:20 am
Mountainsong: I agree….they also took all the agent jobs, like customer service reps. from everything you call. They are all taken over by india or the phillipines. Tech support, bank visa reps, utility reps, all those, which annoys me to no end..we want those jobs back that is one thing i agree with obama, he said that in his campaign, but you know, they say anything to get elected and the general public has a short memory, unfortunately, which they rely on.
BrianH 11.15.08 at 12:53 pm
sandipuma;
The Fairness issue is important, but … 20 pages? Major outpourings like that COULD go into the Action Center, etc. Check with Murphy or DWP about how to do that.
CyberFerret52 11.15.08 at 7:46 pm
Pumas, Pumas, Pumas,
Hasn’t anyone realized yet that Keith Oberman is gay and hates women?? Flame me if you must, but the truth is the truth.
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