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MurphY:

Delete ME: QUICK !!

I know MIMI:————I WAS TOO: So much SO, I didn’t look at the DAMN DATE when I read the article:
don’t know why the site brought me to an OLD ARTICLE.

WHERE IS THE “delete” button when you ASK FOR IT:

(((((((((((STAY WELL MAMA))))))))

have to go, won’t be checking in till tomorrow a.m.

working an all nighter

from downstairs re: trying to contact Senator Clinton

NYCgirl – thanks!
DWP 160 & 162 – thanks, and thanks & thanks!

BOOM shackalacka

First! And what!?

GooOOOOoooo Ann!

Yes, Gen. Dunwoody is the <first 4 star female general

I hope Tammy Duckworth takes Obama’s US Senate Seat; she’s a woman, plus even a mutated cockney talkin’ sloth-gremlin is better than Jesse Jackson Jr taking that position.

Woodie needs to contact the ASPCA, they WILL cover the fees, and they WILL give good service.

Do not raise money to pay for some vet who overcharges.

Sorry to be blunt, but there are programs to help animals! My guy friend’s family didn’t spend half his tuition giving money to animal centers for nuthin’. lol. There are programs out there.

If this wasn’t the internet, (where we need to keep private) and I knew where Woodie was, I could research a good and helpful place.

Just take the time to look.

Great, now I am worried about Fritzie’s “megacolon.”

Hi Texas – sorry I must have misread or didn’t remember correctly. Of course, we all have many many expenses myself including. Only the persons who can and want please respond. P.S. all of my 14 cats are rescued too. Good to know that there are still good people such as you Texas. Sending my best wishes to you and all of your wonderful pets!!

I’m wondering if woodie could get better, as in more specific, aadvice from an dog/cat owners website, where a wider range of resources if probably available?

Despite all his promises airy
Life got hard under Ossiah Barry;
There ain’t no free lunch
When it comes to the crunch –
If you expect one you’d better be wary.

Woodie, call the ASPCA and maybe they can refer you to someone in your area. Tell them you are desperate to help your cat and funds are tight.
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer

Or the Humane Society might be a better bet:
http://www.hsus.org/

Let them know you need a place that will help you out with the costs.

Just take the time to go through the hassle of some phone calls.

Brian H

Love it!

I think I am seeing things. The homepage of MSN.com does not have anything mentioning Obama on it.

Shasta,

Yesterday for the first time since the day before the election the USA Today print edition didn’t have a picture of Obama on the front page either…what’s with that have they fallen out of love already?

REPOST

NO BAILOUT FOR THE AUTO INDUSTRY

Nancy Pelosi, with the help of Barney Frank, wants to bail out yet another failed sector of the economy. It is not government’s role to reward incompetent, overpaid executives pursuing a failed and anachronistic business model. The American auto industry is in trouble because it produces a shoddy, polluting, gas guzzling product at noncompetitive prices driven by trade union benefit packages. It is a waste of taxpayer money to try to shore up an industry that needs to be radically restructured. The Big Three should be allowed to fail and file for reorganization under Title 11 of the Bankruptcy Code. They will not cease to exist, but will be restructured under the supervision of the bankruptcy courts. Congress cannot do a better job than the courts. The courts will supervise the reorganization of the industry without being tempted to reward lobbyists, campaign contributors and unions for their political and financial support.

Congress must allow the economy, existing laws and judicial bodies to resolve the Big Three’s financial problems and not throw more taxpayer money away under a hasty and ill conceived bailout

The link is: http://www.rallycongress.com/no-bailout-for-the-auto-industry/1409/

I’d appreciate your support by signing it and circulating it.

Thanks!

” The Big Three should be allowed to fail and file for reorganization under Title 11 of the Bankruptcy Code. They will not cease to exist, but will be restructured under the supervision of the bankruptcy courts. ”

600,000 people out of work , no retirements funded . 1.9 million retirees left without income or healthcare … Can’t sign the petition ..

catsarepumas 11.14.08 at 1:11 pm

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John Paul Stevens

Clarence Thomas

If you notice the names aren’t even spelled correctly in the first posting! for heaven’s sake–just google them and you will see the difference1 No offense intended Cat–I don’t think you were the only one who posted the list he gave you.

I voted and sent Hillary my opinion!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008385012_nudity13m0.html

See this is the sort of local news coverage we could get if the airwaves out here in WA were not clogged with reports no one cares about from New York. “Seattle seeks to ban public nudity in city parks” apparently no one thought to write an ordinance against it until now. But now that they are thinking of it no one likes the idea. Now this is local news! Then I heard good stories on home schooling, the WASAL test and why we should dump it, types of clouds and weather and geography in the northwest. I hate national news I just like the regional news.

What many don’t understand is that if the big 3 are forced into bankruptcy , that would forfeit thier current UAW contracts . This would allow them to cut pensions and healthcare for their retirees and current workers as well as the 60, 000 + who are currently laidoff .
This personally affects me and my family including my 78 year old grandmother who takes care of her 57 yr old quadraplegic son (my uncle) . It also affects my mother , my father , and almost every single person I know .
This is not at all similar to the wall street fat cats . these are people who have worked HARD their entire lives and I just wish everyone knew who this is going to come down on if they are not bailed out …..
Sorry for the speech – probably wasn’t appropriate for the blog .. BBL

Oops, just saw that Russia voted to extend their presidential terms to six years! Hope that doesn’t give anyone any ideas!

Tunedin – you can post it anywhere you like . This is Murohy’s site . The auto bailout is a dificult issue . You are more than welcome to share your opinions and position on the matter . I just want to make sure people understand how this affects the little guys . The leaders of the big 3 will not be injured either way , but the workers and retirees will be .

Just been listening to a song by one of my favorite artists, Stan Rogers from the Canadian Maritimes. It struck me that the DNC under Ossiah is likely to be a lot like the Antelope Sloop under Barrett:

Barrett’s Privateers

O the year was 1778
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
A letter of marque came from the king
To the scummiest vessel I’ve ever seen

God damn them all
I was told we’d cruise the seas for American gold
We’d fire no guns, shed no tears
Now I’m a broken man on a Halifax pier,
The last of Barrett’s Privateers

2. O Elcid Barrett cried the town
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
For twenty brave men all fishermen who
Would make for him the Antelope’s crew
God damn them all . . . .

3. The Antelope sloop was a sickening sight
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
She’d a list to the port and her sails in rags
And the cook in the scuppers with the staggers and jags
God damn them all . . . .

4. On the King’s birthday we put to sea
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
Ninety-one days to Montego Bay
Pumping like madmen all the way
God damn them all . . . .

5. On the ninety-sixth day we sailed again
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
When a bloody great Yankee hove in sight
With our cracked four-pounders we made to fight
God damn them all . . . .

6. The Yankee lay low down with gold
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
She was broad and fat and loose in stays
But to catch ‘er took the Antelope two whole days
God damn them all . . . .

7. Then at length she stood two cables away
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
Our cracked four-pounders made an awful din
But with one fat ball the Yank stove us in
God damn them all . . . .

8. The Antelope shook and pitched on her side
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
Barrett was smashed like a bowl of eggs
And the main truck carried off both me legs
God damn them all . . . .

9. So here I lay in my twenty-third year
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
It’s been six years since we sailed away
And I just made Halifax yesterday
God damn them all . . . .

Video of a live performance by the composer, Stan:
http://www.last.fm/music/Stan+Rogers/_/Barrett%27s+Privateers

And better audio versions:
Stan Rogers – Barrett’s Privateers
http://www.imeem.com/benbessman/music/C6iW1M00/barretts_privateers/

TT, Thanks. This site has been a confort to me because it supported the views I held about the election. I don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable, particularly on a matter that is not the prime focus of the blog.

Not posting here would be a sacrifice because pumas give the best comments.

Tunedintopumas..I don’t support your petition either- for the sames reasons TT gave..but I agree with her also about the site. So Post away!

Oh no, pink! I didn’t know he’d already considered six years.

…and in different news, a SC priest declared a BO vote a “mortal sin.”

Texas Tigress
It’s not just those employed by the big 3. The area we are in is all automotive, that’s it. They manufacture parts. The big 3 go down it kills 12 factories in this little town. No one who gives their life for a company should suddenly be cut dead with nothing to show for it. We’re here because of the theatre, there is no work in the US at our level. There is no choice for the auto workers. They are trying to get bail outs for automotive here too.

Keep me posted on Fritzi and what’s going on. My main cat is a green eyed maine coon named Oberon.

email addies How do we know that Hillary won’t give our email addresses to That One for his database? I’m sorry, but I’m going to be real careful who I write to. Sorry!

Hi everyone…loaded sp2 and the pc crashed but i have that under control, besides i have a mac.

Fritzy is in the laundry room after I gave him an enema, and before that I gave him 200 ml of electrolyte water from the vet. Have been dotting over him since 9 am this morning and helping him go poopy-poopy, then he will have a nice bath with cat shampoo and wrapped in a big towel. He is 15 or 16 lbs. big paws, he has been really good but it somewhat hard on him. I will give him 200 ml of water around 6pm CA time 9 pm where you easterners are, and twice again tomorrow.

No credit, turned down, i live in CA near the border, our ASPCA does not do mecial anything. I did get a non-profit no. from the local shelter i havent called yet because the computer crashed.

Other than that everything is fine. I am very touched that you guys are concerned and are offering to help. I just can’t do the alternative, it would kill me. He is such a loving cat and great company. I want him around for another 10 years. He is my bud…

thanks again )

for caring ….

Woodie Hi Woodie – I’ve seen your posts about your buddy! Do you have a university near you that has Veterinarian classes? Sometimes they will take care of pets, but it is the interns that do the work – non-vets at this point. Just a suggestion.

And, for inspiration for the upcoming struggle, The Mary Ellen Carter.
If you can listen to this without tears, you’re tougher than I …
http://letras.terra.com.br/rogers-stan/33890/

I agree, ex-Dem! To me, she’d be in the stereotypical role of a female with all of the experience and expertise working for a male “supervisor” with neither of those. She would give her best ideas with none of the credit (and all of the blame for anything that goes wrong).
Plus, as you pointed out, HOW COULD SHE?! after all his campaign did to her!

#72 Ex-DemInVA

I also posted a thought last night about the Clinton nomination to Sec. of State. As you’ve noted — Obama doesn’t do anything unless it’s going to benefit him. What if he finds Clinton in the Senate a threat since she could vote against his policies and the policies of Pelosi & Company? What if this is a plot to keep him under his thumb in this new position while allowing him to put a more loyal and radical Dem in her Senate seat to vote in all his policies?

I think she might be able to do more good staying in the Senate as weird as that might sound.

This makes me sick!

Who doesn’t want to get in the act of free, and sometimes forced, taxpayer funded infusions of free government cash? I would love to get infused with cash from the government. Hartford Financial Services Group, Inc. has reported agreed to purchase a small savings and loan business, allowing it to raise up to $3.4 billion dollars in taxpayer money. Hartford is snapping up Federal Trust Bank for a mere $10 million dollars, small change compared to the benefits that it brings.

It’s not the only company doing it. It has now become fashionable on Wall Street to become a bank or holding company in order to bilk taxpayers of their money. This is getting to look like a really disgusting form of robbery. Next thing you know we’ll have American Airlines and Delta snapping up small banks and becoming “Bank Holding Companies” so that they too can get in on all that free money.

There’s more, here’s the link:

http://www.downthecenter.org/home/2008/11/14/doing-whatever-it-takes.html

CALIFORNIANS AGAINST HATE: BOYCOTT
http://www.californiansagainsthate.com/

DancesWithPumas 11.14.08 at 4:48 pm

Someone, please, i beg you… put me out of my misery and just freakin’ shoot me. thankyou.

+ + + + + + + + + + + +

Sorry DWP but being in the place of suffering is so healing. When the pain is big enough we actually make contact with god and have a great conversation. Much of God’s message to us is delivered during periods of great suffering.

Seriously suffering is the place from which we all make great strides. It is from here that we find strength in ourself and move up to new heights. Of course none of us think you are serious about dieing. If you are really serious then that is different and you can come live with me and we shall pour love all over you every day. That should heal you real fast. nothing like a spoon full of sugar and love every day.

here try some of this today.

LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE

GoPumaGo #85

Umm, I don’t think DWP meant it literally … the “put me out of my misery and just freakin’ shoot me” part … I think it was sarcasm.

Good Evening ..

My take is that if THAT ONE asks Hillary to be his SOS, he will be doing it so that he can have Bill, too! …she, of course, is the MOST qualified for the job….. in addition to getting Hillary out of the Senate (where she can’t control her!)
More importantly, as SOS he can dismiss her for any reason, thereby eliminating her totally from the Senate and shortening her political life.

Yes, he should give the job to JUDAS, as per FOX! Then they can stab each other!

JMHO

greta

BrianH 11.14.08 at 5:20 pm

kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 5:00 pm
pooh496 11.14.08 at 5:02 pm
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Thanks, all; but I’m a bit dissatisfied with the last line. It kind of limps, too many syllallabobbles, or SLT.
Revision:

Despite all his promises airy
Life got hard under Ossiah Barry;
There ain’t no free lunch
When it comes to the crunch –
If you wsnt one you’ll end up with nary!
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BrianH, how about;
We’ll all end up with nary!

gordana: He should give the job to whomever will kiss his royal Fraud of a thieving behind just as others have done or are doing and he will do that…He will. For no one less than one of these will be allowed in this DESPOTs Cabinet.

#90: Whom does she love beside herself?
Oh, baby, she loves Charlie the Tuna…Right? to the tuna 19 million bucks a roona…in stock ! Nancy is hot for Charlie!

#94mzebest: I trust no one. Party , either one, is very nebuloous at this time…Watch the money…watch the movements toward the money. And watch Oslimo’s appointments…and those currently spoken about.

Hey everyone wanted to pop in and catch up on what is going on (headache is still really bad so I will probably not stay on long.
Ex-DemInVA and ebest that is exactly what that guy said today he said give her a job that he doesn’t have to deal with her everyday and get her out of the senate so she can’t undermine him.
gypsy rebel “the one’s” already got mine and I can’t get rid of him, I wrote him one day to tell him to stop lying about something with McCain and a ad and next thing I know I’m on there stupid mailing list..UGH

What a Country!

Wall Street Journal

The move by Republicans underscores the party’s disarray a week after Democrat Barack Obama was elected president and Democrats expanded their majorities in the House and Senate.

In announcing the lawsuit, RNC Chairman Mike Duncan said Republicans need large donations to help rebuild their political party. The lawsuit would overturn the signature legislative accomplishment of the party’s 2008 presidential candidate, John McCain, who championed the ban on so-called soft money donations in 2002.

PinkPuma #41

Thanks for the correction and all the exclamation marks. I was merely reposting from an earlier post of an email I got from Philip Berg at obamacrimes.com. I
ll pass your message on to him without all the

mzebest & NewOrleansPuma,

I don’t know how I am going to vote dem again. I feel like it’s one big front to kill capitalism now–and leave us all sweeping the cinders, without any sort of happily ever after.

I can live like a democrat, or MY idea of what a democrat is. Don’t have to vote for one…not for a while anyway.

GoPumaGo
if you haven’t already, please (re)post your action in teh ACTION Forum:

http://pumapac.org/forums/action/

GoPumaGo sorry if I missed this or not but do we have the emails for these people.

#101 indy 11.14.08 at 7:25 pm

I had heard about this lawsuit this morning. At first, I was shocked by it. Then, after thinking it over, I think I understand why they are doing it. They will never win another Presidential election if they tie themselves down to the McCain/Feingold bill. It’s a great bill, don’t get me wrong. It had very good intentions of doing the right thing. However, the Democrats are NEVER going to abide by it. That leaves the Republicans with their hands tied as to whether they agree to it or not. If the Dems are going to run ramapant like Obo did and collect all kinds of $$$$, whether legal or not, the Republicans have to be in equal footing or they will not win again. Oh yeah, now, the FEC is not even auditing the fraud but is auditing McCain. It’s just too much that is a hindrance to the Republican chances of ever winning again. That may be where they are coming from, IMHO.

I don’t understand why people don’t want other people to get married. What are the reasons here? Simply religious? Is there some kind of economic reason to be against it? Is there some kind of domino effect that gay marriage would cause on some kind of cultural, economic, socio whatever level?

What is the stinkin’ problem?

101Indy: There we are: Here is the reason the ultra right moneyed people..the 1% , as Georgie Poorgie called them:
the haves and the have nots…many of them did not support MCCain and did support Ojingo…They are the money…and it is to their benefit that this country be defaulted as it is into the world …into the banks without borders, money on the run and roll around the world..globalization markets.
It is to their benefit and it is their intent and it is here where Soros and others also fit…Party is a vehicle, but money is the end. All of this bailout stuff is strictly a vehicle to capitalize major world Investment Global banks and players…and to make it impossible and thus necessary for the US Banking system, to the lowest levels to survive without utter dependance on the top of the money handlers , i.e. investment bankers and players of the world.

I just went to Blockbuster to pick up a couple of movies and guess what? They had for sale the movie “Barrack Obama, Do you know who this guy is?” Has anyone watched it yet?

Drudge…

Details on Hillary-Barack Meeting

ABC News’ Martha Raddatz reports: President-elect Barack Obama met with Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Thursday in Chicago to discuss the possibility of the senator becoming secretary of state.

A source with knowledge of the transition process describes the meeting as not a hard offer. Obama is more cautious than that.

He is doing this more elegantly, but a source said Obama took a big step toward Hillary. They had a long private meeting in which they talked about their philosophies and what had transpired during the campaign.

He was extremely respectful, saying she was great, and giving her a huge amount of support. He said that he knew how much she cared about health care but said there are other challenges, and wanted to reach out to her about secretary of state.

They were both cautious but again took a big step toward her. She reciprocated.

Obama does not want to be seen as being rejected by her, but it is “hers to turn down,” one source put it.

They have an agreement to have another meeting or phone conversation about this very soon.

As I have said: Parties are very nebulous and tenuous now.
Money. Follow the Money/

kat in your hat
Thanks BillieJo.

puke
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Next time Kat, make sure I get outta the way before you blow chunks.

#120

It’s religion, Kat. Just that simple. Or simple-minded.

getting in hot tub check back later

CNN The Situation Room are convinced that Senator Clinton
will accept the post of Secretary of State. The whole
programme was around this breaking news story. Because of so
much of the programme being attributed to the position, it would be very hard for one not to offer it and equally for one to refuse it now.
I expect confirmation will follow……………..

Good fortune, Shane, Ireland

kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 7:35 pm
I don’t understand why people don’t want other people to get married. What are the reasons here?
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What “yes, hate” people have explained to me:
The christians (small “c” intentional) in this area,
want to “protect marriage”. I can’t even begin to go there with that kind of response. I alwso realize that many of them are a half a bubble off of level any way.
brick short of a load, etc.
My supervisor, a minister, says he’s against it because if his church refuses to marry gays, they will be sued. (Dumber than a bag of hammers).
The state is against it because they will lose revenue by paying out benefits to married couples.

Then their are the other lackwits who extend the arguement to “what next? humans marrying animals? Unclear on the concept of consenting adults.

Some couples I know want to get married, but refuse on principle, until gays and lesbians have the same right to marry. Walk = Talk. GOOD FOR THEM!!

NOP – #93

You’re a VERRRRY wise lady. I so look forward to partaking of your pearls, each and every one!

Thank you,

greta

Murphy you too …too…

Murphy Ututu

Hi everybody,
I’m looking for a little help. Does anyone know where I can find reference to BO stating that he wants females to register with selective service at 18 yrs. I’m talking to another one who is on the verge on buyers remorse and they hadn’t heard this and wanted to know where I got that and I couldn’t remember. This issue really bothered them so I’d like to find some info on it. Thanks.

New flyer : Universal National Service in Action /Resource Center.
http://pumapac.org/flydocs.html

New document by GBPuma: Responses from SoS’s about our “prawl” (sic) on Obama:
http://pumapac.org/prowlstalk.html

Extensive List of Corporat Sponsors of ‘Yes on Hate”:
http://pumapac.org/boycotts.html

BillieJo… I’ll upload your cartoon in a …soon.

Sheila

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08287/919582-470.stm?cmpid=elections.xml

“But the two presidential candidates disagree on a key foundation of any future draft: Mr. Obama supports a requirement for both men and women to register with the Selective Service, while Mr. McCain doesn’t think women should have to register.

Also, Mr. Obama would consider officially opening combat positions to women. Mr. McCain would not.”

Sorry that link doesn’t work.
Go here http://thomas.loc.gov/

And search for this “universal national service act”

Dances, thank you. Some things I don’t get.

… almost full moon photo in the shot. Wow.
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hmmmm, I could probably use a photo of that….

kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 8:03 pm
Dances, thank you. Some things I don’t get.
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I’m with you, Kat.

kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 8:03 pm
Dances, thank you. Some things I don’t get.
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The most recent best… in July… our Mayor… telling news reporters that he supoports the GLBT Pride March because it brings in a few million dollars over the course of a weekend.
moneh… moneh… monnnnnnnnnnn-nehhhhh.

OooOOOooH! Thanks murphy. I saw the thingie dislodge from the shuttle (extra engine?). ha! And all the radio talk. that was cool.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>once more Murphy<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

#156woodie; Your analogy that compares lawyers functioning as lawyers and thus at times defending that which personally they may not chose to express or defend falls very short and is inadequate as a description of what a politician is supposed to be and what he or she does or does not do. And, in particular, it fails to distinguish between the function of an elected official, who is elected to represents the interests of a populace, not the interest of a paying personal client and that of a personal attorney.

You have, however, described something alright..You have described perhaps the dregs that we receive when laws are made by too many attorneys, as they are now, and when the aims of self interest override the overall good of the people for whom these hypocrites have been elected to serve.

BillieJo #164

Here here. Poetry in motion. “She blinded me with science…”

Kat in the Hat #120

Re: Same-Sex Marriage

I’ve been on both sides of this issue. IMO, I think it’s not productive to accuse people who are against same-sex marriage of being “haters”. In many cases it’s not about hate or fear. Yes, for some people it is hate or fear, but not for most. Name calling is nothing but an ad hominem attack which kills important dialogue which is needed on both sides of the argument. Most of the people on both sides of this issue are good people.

I suggest that you read this interview with Jonathan Rauch, who makes the argument for same-sex marriage.
http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=179

Then read this interview with Rick Santorum, who makes the argument against same-sex marriage.
http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=180

IMO, both make some very good points. As long as both sides are yelling at each other, calling each other haters, etc. no one will make progress.

My 2 cents.

Headclunker & Dances,

Money. Now that’s something I can understand. What percentage of anti-gay marriage folks hide behind religious reasons but it’s mainly political/ financial/ power-based?

Just wondering,
How many less congregants would most churches have if there was a change of tune on this issue? Less folks. Less moolah. Church businesses fail.

murphy…..mail

Did you know about this stamp? It was issues in 2001–10 days before 9/11.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/eidstamp.asp

Have a great weekend everyone.

http://www.newsmax.com/politics/DC_Obama_cash_in/2008/11/14/151230.html?s=al&promo_code=7149-1

Want to go to the Inaguration of precious?

The committeeis upset that the tickets are being advertised for sale on online auction site eBay and other websites since they are meant to be free. One senator is even drawing up legislation to outlaw their sale.
EBay spokeswoman Nichola Sharpe said eBay officials met members of the committee on Wednesday and agreed to withdraw all ads for inauguration ceremony tickets.

The photo of the woman that may be appointed to replace BO in the senate looks very familiar. Has she been all over tv speaking for his candidacy, and now for the transition?

I’ll be at City Hall tomorrow Murphy!!!

mick:

Thanks. Rick Santorum speaks of “moral ecology,” and he brings up that gay marriage could deconstruct our societal structure. He argues that gays do not show any data representing gay marriage as a positive to society, and yet he states that hetero-normative marriage IS positive to society.

I think it would be interesting to tackle precisely what he considers the positives of traditional marriage, and then argue it numerically, you know, just go down the list.

Because I understand he feels passionately about it, but he’s also not making me understand why one way is more important than the other. Ya know?

I do think a good male role model and a good female role model are important in every family. But you know how many people are divorced–raised by single families, and also how often two parent homes are dysfunctional.

I still don’t get the horrible ramifications that could go down. Is there really an argument that animals would then get married or something? Marriage= people, consenting people–of legal age. No?

And yes, you are right, nobody should be called haters, etc. It breaks down the the only available bridge to remedy this issue.

Luckyseven:

LOL!!! I know, Alan Keyes hates Obama. That’s great.

Have a good night Pumas.

kat in your hat
Kat you hit the nail on the head. If marriage is defined as “consenting people” would you agree to a brother/ sister marriage? Mother son? Brother /brother?
Be careful how you word laws. They can always come out in ways you may not see.

snowtigerredux,

ahhh, hmmm.

PinkPuma
“Any woman willing to go into the military” is not the same as all women liking the idea of being drafted into combat positions. Last time I checked NOW’s stance on this (and its been quite awhile I admit) they didn’t like the idea at all. Had no objection to MEN being drafted but, no women.
Also most women I know have the idea that if a woman wants to serve the should not be prevented form doing so but, they oppose women being drafted.
I clearly remember from years ago that the majority of women held that view. Its been such a long time since anyone said “draft” that the issue has been dead for years. I wonder what the stats are now on the issue.

well, see, I jumped into the conversation not knowing the whole of it (sorry) and for the record, I am also against the draft – for everyone!

OH PLEASE….THE BROTHER SISTER MOTHER SON ARGUEMENT IS SO CRAP AND OUT DATED……..

well–not those restrictions–but some restrictions not having to do with gender.

Oh, what is the point of getting married anyway. grr.

I lOVE THE FACT hannity is NOT drinking the koolaid he is still telling the truth about BO , he is talking about Bill Ayers interview right now and how BO lied about relationship.

invalidresponse
PLease nothing if you establishing a right you establish it for all people. Period.

PinkPuma
Driving is not right anywhere in the US it is a privilege.
Huge difference.

kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 9:05 pm

Oh, what is the point of getting married anyway. grr.
I never saw the point.

snow, is that really you? What happened to your 007 identity? I leave for a week and come back to find a “new” snow?

webfoot
Lol Had login problems. Had to do a new name

and snowtiger….that open the flood gates is just another fear based argument that has NOT proven true in any country that has made it legal….slipper slope my ass

none of my children ever saw the point either and they have been together more than 10 years1 hmm, maybe driving was the wrong example.But I still disagree. It should be a right and legal everywhere.

snow-thanks. Dare I ask what redux means? Or at least meet me else where to explain. loo

kat in your hat
I have nothing against gay people being married btw. I have a real problem however with people tossing around the idea of “rights” without considering the ramifications of a right. There is difference between rights, laws and privileges.
Far to often politicians have used the publics lack of understanding to further their agendas.
Never, btw, to the publics benefit.

snow,
consider the ramifications and semantics or rights vs privileges after all emancipated, unrelated, consenting adults, have the same rights.

snow,
consider the ramifications and semantics of rights vs privileges vs laws, after all emancipated, unrelated, consenting adults, have the same rights.

These are some replies from Sec of States that I received from the Prowl on Obama’s qualifications…”Who has standing”
They are sadly hilarious….No One what’s to take/be responsible for the Constitutional qualifications and pass it off onto someone else…(that’s not my job)…or like the first one…”Remove me from your list”

Some Replies From the Secretaries of State Prowl on Obama
http://pumapac.org/prowlstalk.html

All I know is that it’s a whole lot easier and cheaper to get into a marriage than it is to get OUT of one.

Here’s where Puma PAC stands on Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trasgender RIGHTS:

“Most of the people You know, like ME—so stop calling yourself THEM
You are WE. Part of ME and everything I care about.” — D. Murphy

here you go kat here is a true story…
I will shorten it , but
two men had a ranch together for 35 they were a couple….ranching…..
one of the men died…a distant cousin of the dead man took the partner to court to get the ranch ….not only did he win in court…but then he took the partner to court to get rent from the partner for 35 years of living on the ranch……guess what ..the cousin won both cases

$50 dollar rag?

Didn’t marriage start because a man wanted to make sure his sons kept his land and inherited his goods, and this is why women lost their names, because the daughters needed to marry another man to take on his name and have some of HIS goods?

Seems like marriage started out as a big daddy eff you. Or am I way off and marriage is not a patriarochal discussion at all?

I mean, women live longer than men if they do not marry, rather than vice versa. Women can provide their own security now.

Where is invalidresponse? help. why marriage?

mountainsong
My t-shirt and no you can’t have it Billijo.

mountainsong 11.14.08 at 9:24 pm

All I know is that it’s a whole lot easier and cheaper to get into a marriage than it is to get OUT of one.
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Kinda like this debate.

Dances, no goober. mick was trying to help me see both sides. That guy Rick is always on Hannity & Colmes, btw, I didn’t know he felt that deeply about it, but in a way I did I guess. I have to know the arguments of everything to understand how to rebut, etc.

50 bucks for a T-shirt? Man, talk about inflation!

240snow-well, that works although your spy image really did suit you. I saw the “dux” part of your name and was picturing you in a tux. Works with the whole spy image you know.

The whole controversy over gay/straight marriage always cracks me up.

kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 9:29 pm
Didn’t marriage start because a man wanted to make sure his sons kept his land and inherited his goods, and this is why women lost their names, because the daughters needed to marry another man to take on his name and have some of HIS goods?
Seems like marriage started out as a big daddy eff you. Or am I way off and marriage is not a patriarochal discussion at all?
I mean, women live longer than men if they do not marry, rather than vice versa. Women can provide their own security now.
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Patriarchal origins indeedy.
Land, cattle, and women were considered property of the man.
When the husband died, often the women would be left destitute, not having the right to own property.

As late as the late 60s, that would be the NINETEEN SIXTIES, women couldn’t apply for credit cards without the written consent of their husbands.

Although I understand the modern reasons for marriage, I don’t support the concept… but, I do support the concept of equal rights under the law.

PinkPuma
Take a look at the comstitution and see the prhasing, not the words. All the first ten amendments are prohibitive against gvoernmnetm action.
“Congress shall make no law”
“shall not be infring” etc etc.
Now when yu start to make exceptions youn throw all ikinds of nnonsense into the mix.
For esample.
Heres a very sound idea.
If a person is arrested but, not proven guilty of anything just charged, it makes perfect sense to take their firearms away. Right?

One view of Human Rights is: Every human being is born with unlimited rights. He/she has the right to do anything and everything he or she pleases. But because we are civilized and living in a structured society, we choose to give back some of those rights to the appropriate governing body. Those rights that we give back set the parameters of our rights vs our fellow citizen’s rights.

The Bill of Rights alludes to this when it says that all other rights not named in the document belong to either the person or in some cases to the state in which the citizen resides.

According to this premise, any restriction on a person’s right to act this or that way, do this or that activity, must be specified and agreed to, or there is not a restriction on it. Thus,(following this premise) gay marriage is legal in every state unless there is a specific law forbiding it.

webfoot
loo/ I liked that one myself. Will have to get it back.
A tux? Hmmmm.

How about this semantic. Every Human in this country should be extended equal protection under the law. You cannot codify into law, such as PropH8 did, the disenfranchisement of, and discrimination against, millions of people. Everyone has the right to pursuit of happiness, and two people who love each other, possess property that is communal for each, and have children, should be afforded the equal protection under the law for the enjoyment of their rights and their property. If they want a church blessing, and the church believes in human rights as such, then they should be allowed to exercise the common freedoms we all are expecting is our right, and they should be able to marry. A gay, or lesbian couple are not infringing on the rights of anyone when they marry, nor are they breaking the law, especially when it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and will be thrown out. The matter cannot be decided by the majority, this is the 14th Amendment. I see this being settled by the Supreme Court, and they will come down on the side of equal protection under the law. Love is not a crime. Human Rights is what we are talking about here. Open closed mind and heart and put yourself into the peoples shoes who live in states where their marriage is thrown out as against a hate-law. I am proud I live in Massachusetts where human rights are not to be infringed on and all are afforded equal protection under the law.

OMG!!! Dances was shouting!!!

DeadGirl
Exactly. thats why We had this discussion a while back. Prop 8 defined marriage.
Thye are skirting the 14th amendment.

what DeadGirl 11.14.08 at 9:39 pm said!

DeadGirl 11.14.08 at 9:39 pm

Are hermaphrodites afforded equal protection under the law in Massachussetts?

mountainsong
Ah that was the argument and it worked.
However, and here is where the differnce between laws and right s come inb.
Now, a firearm is apice of personal property. Correct?
The government now has the right to take your property simply by accusing you of committing a crime.
So far, the feds have been careful about employing that little loophole. They only use it on “drug lords” but, they can do it to anyone at anytime. Legally.
Why? because several rights were restricted in that “common sense” ruling.
You have to be VERY careful when you deal wit rights.

I couldn’t even have my own tubes tied on my own body in 1977 WITHOUT my HUSBANDS consent! DO you know how humilating it is to have to ASK permission to do something to your body when you are in your 20’s??? I was so mad I could spit nails!

You know, I was only going to lurk from now on, but I think I’ll speak this one more time. You want this group to grow and get a lot of new people in? That was the impression I got during and after Jenni’s show last night. Well, let me give a bit of advice then- as someone who runs a group of about 1300 people from around the world-… don’t be so quick to attack members who mean well and who have been an loyally active part of the group. You aren’t going to get…and keep…. a lot of members like that. First it was me… saying I was sexist… and now Mick. I, personally, want this group to grow and be successful too…. that’s why as one group leader to another group that I care about I’m sharing this tidbit of advice. I suggest that the members of this group not be quick so “prickly” and quick to attack another PUMA.. sheath the claws when you’re talking to another PUMA. Ok, now I’m going to back to lurking again….. Bye!

PinkPuma
Really? Then how come it has happened to so many people and yes they must “give them back” after you are cleared. However for the time you have been under chrages you don’t have access to your own property simply because you have been accused. not convicted and do not forget about the siezure of property of accused “drug lords’. How is that constitutional?

Old people are funny..my mum is 89 years old when the elections were on she said that obama fellow i don’t know what he is talking about.

but when hillary comes on i understand everything she is saying.
I say, yes mama i agree )

mountainsong, interesting answer…

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JoanneGreco 11.14.08 at 8:06 pm
To mzebest:

May I suggest you look into the Libertarian party? They might be what you’re looking for. I switched to them after Obama stole the primary.
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Ugh, may I just repeat: UGH. But a natural place for Hillary-bashers to go. Try Free Republic…they out-thugged the Obots before there were any Obots. They are basically Republicans who believe in Marijuana…and in everyone building their own roads and stockpiling their own guns.

Way before Corsi came up with his conspiracy on the replacement of the Dollar with the mythical “amero” Ron Paul was there in the 70’s screaming his Chicken Little “The Dollar is over! The Dollar is over!”

The parties are just some brand names you can switch between, like Pepsi, and Coke, and RC Cola interchangeably…and those who suggest they are…are rightwingers. What happened to reclaiming OUR party?

Alice Paul voted for the Republicans as a PROTEST vote, as PUMAs did this year. But if rightwingers think they can make glib remarks about how now Hillary is “over” and we should all become *Libertarians* of all things, well…fine. Prepare to be called on it. Nice try, tho.

The parties are NOT just some interchangeable brand names, I meant to say. This isn’t Project Runway.

murphy, put up your happy post soon. I am incorrigible, and not getting anywhere.

Make it a general theme. lol

kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 9:44 pm
Dances, I was taught it wasn’t until the 1970’s that a woman could have a credit card in her own name. ‘73 I thought. Might be wrong. That’s what I (falsely?) remember from class.
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The 60s blurred my memory… 70s would be correct.

OK, I have caught up on the past 2 hours posts-

My Obot husband and I and our two kids are heading down to the Capitol building tomorrow to protest the banning of gay marriage.

At least he and I see eye to eye- how the hell do o you discriminate against a whole group of people? How is it justified?

This is exactly why I cannot become a Republican. As disgusted with the democrats that I am, I cannot jump to a sinking ship.

When is there going to be a centrist party???

Don’t you think that is what the founding fathers wanted?

We need CENTRISTS!! RIGHT NOW!!!

MURPHY_ I NOMINATE YOU!!!

incorrigible. Interesting word.

KarenWI,

Ah hah! I think it was you, yes, I was haunted about not responding to your comment. I think you made the comment about leftist anger and you feel a hatred? Was that you, right before the thread changed after jenni’s radio show?

I thought I read some hurt feelings and concern.

Know this: I am a centrist and I teeter. Don’t split. I need your balance. Even if people disagree with you, we need you. If this place became 100% liberal, I would get bored! Stay, please. And speak.

kat, that isn’t the problem… I asked a question this morning about a photo of Hillary that I thought was extremely unflattering… and said that either it was a TERRIBLE angle or maybe the stress of this election put on a couple pounds… and I was immediately “pounced upon” by the PUMAS for being sexist. I was fine last night… it was just this morning when I said that and got the claws. That was the last time I posted until I posted that about being nice to other PUMA’s… when I saw the claws start to unsheath for Mick now too…

DancesWithPuma #258

Umm, not sure why you’re shouting at me. Very bizarre.

Again, why do you want me banned?

Stay, Karen. Please?

mick 11.14.08 at 10:01 pm
DancesWithPuma #258
Umm, not sure why you’re shouting at me. Very bizarre.
Again, why do you want me banned?
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Yes, it’s beyond bizarre when you’re typing and don;t realize the cap lock is on. Bizarre.

The reasons do not matter. You are hereby banned.
How do you feel about that?

What is ’sexist’ about asking about a photo?

WTF!!! Why is Mick banned?

LOL You should see how different I look tonight, from last night. After going out dancing until 2 a.m., getting up at 6 and working outdoors in the cold all day! I was going to go dancing again tonight, but at almost 65, I really don’t think so. However…tonorrow i another dya/night.

murphy 11.14.08 at 10:08 pm K, sorry. I am too tired tonight.

DancesWithPumas #305

Hmm, well, it was nice while it lasted.

Buh bye.

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Yes, it’s beyond bizarre when you’re typing and don;t realize the cap lock is on. Bizarre.

The reasons do not matter. You are hereby banned.
How do you feel about that?

kat in your hat 11.14.08 at 10:11 pm
Keep any strife *here*, not upstairs.
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Attention: The struggle for Equal Rights for Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgendered, are now hermetically sealed on this blog. Lets all move our somaselves up to happy land.

Oh, Dances, cut the crap. That’s not what I meant. Don’t make me grab you.

Zee

was that true what oreilly said that when palin was getting hammered
that no women’s groups stood up for her? maybe this one but there was any others i mean …

UPSTAIRS

Jennifer I have asked for your email address let me check my gmail
again….i’ve asked twice in fact and gave her an alert “you have Mail”
no response.?

For entry 326, although you can find Fate magazine from this link, this is the entry itself and the one I intended to post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_(magazine)

Woodie,
My home state is Florida, but I am currently on a work assignment in Europe. I will ask my genius (really) veterinarian whats involved in treatment and/or surgery for Fritzy’s condition. Maybe he even knows a good samaritan veterinarian in your city. What city do you live in?
The vets have a close knit community just like, lawyers, politicians (HA HA) and others. Please get my email address from Murphy. Just like jenniforhillary – I am concernet about Fritzy’s condition. You do have much on your hands, and you probably take care of your mother too. I can just imagine Fritzy wrapped up in a blanket – purring and happy because he is so clean. When you get my email address – please write in detail your kittty’s medical description, etc. so I can ask my vet. Hang in there!!!