What Gary Said

With 67% of the AA community here voting for prop8. there is bound to be trouble between gays and AA activists.
That 67% is a powerful voting block and is the ONLY reason prop 8 failed.
Furthermore, there is not goign to be nay movement in the AA community in the for seeable future, Not with numbers like those.

BigCatLover
Lol. I just thanked you downstairs.
So thanks again.

Notyoursweetie 11.10.08 at 12:39 pm

Ya Ted keep it up the door to heaven is in lock down for you anyway. You can keep knocking but you won’t get in, hang it up old boy and take ya dog with ya! I am sick of you, you have become more than useless.

kat in your hat
Actually I’m not shocked, but gay persons of color will be pushed even further into the closet.

*****PUMA Alert*****

Lynn Forester de Rothschild has a new site. If you have not join, please go to:
http://www.together4us.com/index.html
and join.

Murphy, have we joined forces with “together4US?

Oops! I get we had…
anyway, her letter is an after the election goals.

Reposted from downstairs!

Good afternoon Puma’s! I thought everyone would like to join “Joe the Plummer’s website! He has started a “Protect Your Freedom” forum. Maybe we should all join it!!

http://www.secureourdreams.com

admin
Yep. Like I said we now live the mindset of the past. Thanks Obummer, and all the rest of you who participated.

Don’t waste time worrying about Kennedy. He will meet his maker soon enough and he has a lot to answer for. He has a malignant brain tumor. He won’t live long enough to get health care passed and the little weasels who are now talking for him will be out of work.

Went to the Website
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/the-unity-pony-takes-a-big-dump/

This is ridiculous.. What is His problem? Guess he does not like smart women…

Seattlegirl 11.10.08 at 1:04 pm

Don’t waste time worrying about Kennedy. He will meet his maker soon enough and he has a lot to answer for. He has a malignant brain tumor. He won’t live long enough to get health care passed and the little weasels who are now talking for him will be out of work.

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With all the money they have Ted will be propped in a chair and wheeled out like Mama Rose for 99 years!!
I have lived with the Kennedy dynasty for to dam long……….

I would like to mention that due to the sexism shown during the primary and election towards women candidates this is a time that we need to attack sexism in the media and in the Democrat party. Prop 8 is a California problem for gay folks to solve. Can we help? yes we can but I hate to see another movement to bring women into full power sidelined by gay issues. Womens issues do not come second anymore in my book. We are the majority. Let me repeat I do not see gay orgs fighting constantly for women’s rights. They rightly stay focused on their own issues. I think the sexism directed at women by the media and leftist Dems is a legitimate issue and it is the only one I am interested in.

100% agree @ you
seattlegirl ##26

Seattlegirl

“I think the sexism directed at women by the media and leftist Dems is a legitimate issue and it is the only one I am interested in.”

Are you implying that sexism is not directed at gay women? That we do not experience the same oppression and violence as any other woman?

goandersen 30. NO I am saying that I am only interested in dealing with issues that affect gay or straight women and I am not interested in discussing sexual orientation. There are other effective groups for that. So I would be interested in women candidates being treated fairly by the press and by their party. Equal pay for equal work. Passing a cable choice law so women could choose to drop sexist basic cable channels for any reason as opposed to now when they are forced to subsidize sexist channels. Equal coverage for women’s health issues. All of these things benefit all women.

Bringing this from downstairs….

Heneri 11.10.08 at 8:58 am
Ok, so we have had a week to lick our wounds and vent our anger. Now it is time to reconcile our minds and plan for the future. If we don’t we are just a tempest in a teapot, a gripe session, a meeting place for angry discussion. Ontherocks, you are right. We need to find some direction and go with it.

After a good night’s sleep, (Have to make this quick, have to work today)I have drawn some conclusions. I will share.
First Phase of Thinking:
1. They did it. They (the corrupt ones in the DNC) have almost complete control of our country come Jan 20. Barring a miracle like finding out he isn’t a citizen, we are stuck with him for 4 years.
2. The DNC did not meet their goal of a super majority in the legislature. Some of those seats are still being fought over in recounts and run off elections. Even if the DNC wins there, they still won’t have the super majority. This is significant.
Next phase of thinking:
1. The president elect cannot do much without the backing of the legislature.
2. A significant part of the legislature is up for reelection in two years.
3. Some races are still pending recount or run off elections.
Phase three of thinking:
1. At this point we have to think of containment. If the PE or the DNC sends down some radical measures to the legislature, we need to be on top of the issues and take appropriate action.
2. In the races still to be decided, we need to support the opposition, even if we don’t like them. This aids in containment.
3. We need to be aware of executive orders and their impact on the processes of our government. We need to be willing to hook up with groups who will take the worst of these matters to court if necessary to blunt the impact of bad ones.
4. We need to be diligent in our legislative watch to make sure no onerous legislation gets through without a fight.
Fhase 4 of thinking:
1. We need to be laying the groundwork for the midterm elecytions coming up in two years.
2. Keeping an eye on the powers of the majority, we need to keep the legislature as dilute of supporters of the president as is humanly possible.
3. In order to keep dilution adequate we need to support members of other political parties, including republicans, but especially unaffiliated and third party candidates where appropriate.
4. Before we support a legislative candidate for an office, we need to check them our carefully, so as not to support any radicals.

In conclusion: Containment of the problem is crucial. It can only be done with adequate observation and activism on the part of the PUMApac and other interested parties. The goal must be containment and dilution of the legislature in the midterm elections and support of the opposition in the recounts and run off elections.

PS: As Obama selects his cabinet, he is pulling heavily from the legislature. So far we have one member of the Senate (John Kerry) and one member of the house (Rham Emanuel) who will be leaving to serve in the Administration. The senate seat will be an appointed person until the next midterm election, the house seat will be a special election.

We need to be completely aware of who is involved and what is happening in filling any spaces that Obama appointments to the cabinet leave open.

Seattlegirl 11.10.08 at 1:17 pm
Post #26
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I agree with you 100%.
It would be nice to be able fight every battle out there but first women need to be respected and treated differently than they have in the past.

goandersen: Heterosexual homophobic women do not have enough power themselves to oppress you. I am interested in working for any womans right that affects all women. Sexual orientation should not be a consideration. I also don’t believe in hate crimes. If an act is hateful to one group then it is hateful to any group and should be illegal under any circumstance. Women are so far behind in society that we need to concentrate on issues that benefit us all.

Hi Puma’s I am new here but but have watched your site for awhile. You are doing great stuff. I need some help investigating some things I found out the other night blogging with a so called ex black panther. He was saying the nation of islam is behind the presidency and Michelle more so than obama also he said that the catholic priest is not what he seems and needs to be watched. I did not follow the democratic primaries and need to know who this was any help appreciated. Also need to find out if Jennifer Mason and Cynthia Miller belong to Nation of Islam. If only 1% he told me is true we have to be way diligent. Also looking for utah puma as I live here as well and need to get together. Oh by the way the priest was put on leave because of comment on Hillary.Can anyone help?

Honestly, between all the anti-Israel/ anti-jew CRAP, and all the anti-gay CRAP around Obama, I am just disgusted. Disgusted that anyone would vote against their own self interests by supporting this Ocrap installation.

Notyoursweetie 11.10.08 at 10:02 am

I kept quiet – where’s my pony? All crazies come from the woodwork now
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/i-kept-quiet-now-wheres-my-pony/
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Here’s VDH’s commentary, with extra detail, on that:
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson110808.html

Internal Struggles

We are going to witness a gargantuan struggle among the Obama camp in the next 90 days. On the one hand, the following argument will be advanced:

“Look, Barack, we have a historical opportunity with the Congress, the honeymoon, voter momentum, and your communicative brilliance. Carpe diem!”

“Liberals will never have such a window again, so let’s move full blast with Axlerod, Emanuel, and the Chicago Boys before they know what hit them: make lots of hard-left appointments for agency heads, executive branch controllers and cabinet posts; restore the fairness doctrine and get talk radio out of the picture as it was pre-1987; empower unions with an end to secret elections; move on de facto amnesty and keep the borders porous, given how the continually replenished illegal alien community, with periodic amnesties, evolves into Democratic constituencies in key states; go for BOTH tax increases on income up to 40% and ending the FICA caps so you can get another 15.3%. That way we can pay for some of these new programs. Try to create a national health care system akin to Canada’s. Don’t just go for the agenda, but for structural changes that will make it almost impossible for conservatives to win again. Now with incumbency, restore campaign financing in all its manifestations, lest some Republican gets smart and emulates our money-raising strategies. And while we are at it, why not call in Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Bush neocons and charge them with war crimes for Guantanamo and water-boarding?”

Realists will counter:

“Wait! LBJ, Nixon, and others all blew their mandates. Festina lente (‘make haste slowly’). Remember the Clintonian 1993-4 debacle with gays in the military, Hillarycare, Les Aspen at Defense (cf. his no armor in Somalia decision), Travelgate, etc., so we don’t need more hubris that means calling in another Dick Morris and triangulation to save the Obama presidency. Either raise income tax or lift FICA caps, but don’t do both unless you want to gut, not shear, the sheep. Throw the loonies looking for jobs under the bus where they can join Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, etc. Adopt the Petraeus withdrawal plan, but claim it was really the “Obama” plan all along. Turn over the cabinet to Larry Summers and Robert Rubin types and a few Republican-lites like Chuck Hagel.”

So we will see who wins — or whether Obama votes “present,” and the sides go to and fro, back and forth ad nauseam. Beware, we will hear soon a Reaganesque “Let Obama be Obama!” — if we knew exactly what that would mean?

kat in your hat 11.10.08 at 1:40 pm

Honestly, between all the anti-Israel/ anti-jew CRAP, and all the anti-gay CRAP around Obama, I am just disgusted. Disgusted that anyone would vote against their own self interests by supporting this Ocrap installation.
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People wanted “CHANGE”. Now they will have change.
The question is will people regret the choice they made?

Regarding gay marriage specifically. First I have been married twice and I don’t understand why gay people think it is such a great idea. If it is for health care then we should fix health care so all people have their own and no one has to stay married to qualify. I also think that gays should start attacking the idiocy in existing marriage laws tenaciously

For instance I have a friend who is married to the father of her 3 children. He had a sex change operation 10 years ago and now calls himself the childrens Aunt. He is a good, active, responsible parent. He lives as a lesbian in a different state with a woman he has been with for 6 years. He flys home nearly every weekend to be in the family with the kids (has his own bedroom in the family home). So why is he allowed to be still married to his original wife? If he left her could he marry his current longtime girlfriend? If I had to fight for gay marriage rights I would be all over this sort of loophole stuff in the current law and push it until politicians finally say “OK marry whomever you want I can see we can’t involve ourselves in peoples decisions”.

IMO—NOW should review their agenda regarding women’s rights or step aside and we establish a new group that doesnot have exclusion rules depending upon DEM/REPUB/INDY and indivudual beliefs. All women regardless of age,race, straight, gay, pro-life/pro-choice, gun carrying,soccer moms, business owners, homemakers or workerbees should be included in the new group or organization, no one should be discriminated against because they have different ideas,religious beliefs, thoughts, or ways of life. We all need to be united as one force and let our voices be heard. And along our journey we should pick up male counterparts that will stand with us. WWBH–we will be heard!

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/179/story/310462.html

Now is the time for all good taxpayers to join in a lawsuit against the country. Whatever race, gender, or sexual orientation, we have all been subjected to “constituent-abuse”. Perhaps the man in the above link has the right idea.

BrianH 11.10.08 at 1:43 pm

Sounds like the 8 years of Bush with every single branch of gov led by a right wing BA!

Well folks the very issue at the Top of Obama’s list is an overhaul of the Fairness Doctrine. If Obama is interested in it…it’s automatically a BAD THING and needs serious scrutiny. Remember, it cuts both ways.

PUMAS UNLEASHED

If we’re taking “What next?” requests, here’s a simple one:

An alternative to Huffington Post

It’s crazy that even Hillary and RFK Jr have to use HuffPo when they want to reach the public directly.

I’ve emailed Lynn de Rothchild to suggest she do this but no reply yet.

OMG!!! Did I fall asleep last night and wake up this morning on another planet? Did America ewally elect a President who doesn’t know what to do so is going to go backwards and imitate the Clinton administration, with all Clinton’s people? Makes sense, kinda, since he stole all his ideas from Hillary Clinton.
We have so many phobias in this country we should call ourselvs something like, ‘The United States of Paranoia”.
I have an idea~~How about ‘equal rights based upon equal education”?
Are we really going to be forced to submit to an administration that was elected by people who only voted for the top line?
I just pray that today’s dialog, here, makes more sense than last night’s. Last night, I came close to dropping out of this PUMA thing. One person was attacking others and there was no one here to stop it. A long time ago, I was put in the dungeon for much, much less.

tatepuma 11.10.08 at 1:56 pm

IMO—NOW should review their agenda regarding women’s rights or step aside and we establish a new group that doesnot have exclusion rules depending upon DEM/REPUB/INDY and indivudual beliefs. All women regardless of age,race, straight, gay, pro-life/pro-choice, gun carrying,soccer moms, business owners, homemakers or workerbees should be included in the new group or organization, no one should be discriminated against because they have different ideas,religious beliefs, thoughts, or ways of life. We all need to be united as one force and let our voices be heard. And along our journey we should pick up male counterparts that will stand with us. WWBH–we will be heard!

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Sounds like a Democracy to me!

mountainsong 11.10.08 at 2:03 pm
Did America ewally elect a President who doesn’t know what to do so is going to go backwards and imitate the Clinton administration, with all Clinton’s people
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BAckwards to peace and prosperity? What’s wrong with that? Clinton’s ideas were GOOD (why else were we supporting her?) and the Clinton 90s cabinet did a GOOD job and made them WORK.

If Hillary had won, do you think SHE wouldn’t be using her ideas and her old cabinet people?

turndownobama 11.10.08 at 2:02 pm
If we’re taking “What next?” requests, here’s a simple one:

An alternative to Huffington Post

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I so agree! I used to enjoy Huffpoo’s layout, but can’t came to hate the posters and commenters there due to all the vitriol. Plus, they refused any comments that questioned the one.

Do you think Soros will lend us some money to facilitate this?

PS. An alternative “Forester Post” or something like that would not be instead of other projects, it would be a TOOL to help the other projects.

Not “Puma Post” or anything partisan. Just fair and centrist would be best, to reach people who are not in either choir.

I don’t get radio so I don’t know the details about everyone starting blogs. But it soudns like a good idea. ANYTHING to get people to get news somewhere other than the MSM.

turndownobama 11.10.08 at 2:02 pm
If we’re taking “What next?” requests, here’s a simple one:
An alternative to Huffington Post

mmmm what ever happened to the God that smitted????
I wish I knew the God that would come down and smitt(sp).
When I was a kid it was real scary cause god was watching you all the time!
Then when I was 16 and my Dad died at 45 and left my Mom with 4 of 8 kids …I knew there was no god watching.

meileen 11.10.08 at 2:11 pm
turndownobama 11.10.08 at 2:02 pm
If we’re taking “What next?” requests, here’s a simple one:

An alternative to Huffington Post

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I so agree! I used to enjoy Huffpoo’s layout, but can’t came to hate the posters and commenters there due to all the vitriol. Plus, they refused any comments that questioned the one.

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ANy ideas for a good name? Lynn’s would have a good meaning, as she switched parties and is well known and gets publicity and knows the Clintons and many other big names and could get them to write some articles. But the SOUND isn’t as good as ‘Huffington Post’ which has the same rhythm as ‘Washington Post.’

DAmn, my brain just sent up “Centrifuge Post.” I”m going to take a walk.

FoxNews says Terry McAuliffe is planning to run for governor of Virginia.

Any thoughts on that Pumas!!

Repost

California

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Event Info
Type:
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Network:
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Time and Place
Date:
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Time:
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utahpuma 11.10.08 at 2:20 pm

FoxNews says Terry McAuliffe is planning to run for governor of Virginia.

Any thoughts on that Pumas!!

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Hi Utahpuma I am also from Utah. Saw an earlier post and agree maybe we should meet to start a women’s group. I need help did anyone read my earlier post on the Nation of Islam

pumas, pay close attention to this, ok?

Obama to appoint talk radio’s executioner?
Expected FCC transition chief served during ‘Fairness Doctrine’ days http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80424

(You KNOW one of my fears is 100% Obama-Media…)

Everybody was looking for their own political gain during this campaign season—did John Kerry get Condi’s job?

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_president_elect_/2008/11/10/149643.html

Obama Invents the office of President Elect

Has anyone seen this?

HP Boston 11.10.08 at 2:13 pm

mmmm what ever happened to the God that smitted????
I wish I knew the God that would come down and smitt(sp).
When I was a kid it was real scary cause god was watching you all the time!
Then when I was 16 and my Dad died at 45 and left my Mom with 4 of 8 kids …I knew there was no god watching.
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Urk! It’s an irregular verb, one of the old Anglo-Saxon kind:

“the God that smote?”
“God that would come down and smite.”

mick 11.10.08 at 2:26 pm

re: Boycott Christmas Shopping

Although this was talked about on another thread, I wanted to say that I started boycotting Christmas shopping several years ago. I encourage everyone to do this. Of course, we still celebrate the birth of Christ but I don’t buy gifts for friends and family. Instead, my daughter and I make our gifts. I make homemade candy, like fudge and chocolate mint pretzels. I also pick oranges from my trees and put them in a nice basket and hand paint wine glasses. My daughter knits hats and scarves and paints pictures. Not only does it save me a lot of money but IMO, it’s more meaningful. I really hate how Christmas has become so commercialized.

Sorry if I’m off topic, but I don’t have time to catch up on the all of the post.

BBL
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Yes, my job during the next 4 years is to buy as little as possibe.

Badger

I live in Midvale, work in Salt Lake, actually more like Murray

utahpuma 11.10.08 at 2:33 pm

Badger

I live in Midvale, work in Salt Lake, actually more like Murray
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It looks like we might have to meet and start something here in Utah.

kat in your hat 11.10.08 at 2:26 pm

pumas, pay close attention to this, ok?

Obama to appoint talk radio’s executioner?
Expected FCC transition chief served during ‘Fairness Doctrine’ days http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80424

(You KNOW one of my fears is 100% Obama-Media…)
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This was the first thing Bill O’ had talked about on his TV show after the election. He says he will be on top of it, but who knows.

Noblecascade, thanks for the link. Obama is not officially president-elect, of course.

“The Constitution provides that on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December, electors convene in their respective state capitals. It’s then that they formally elect the President of the United States, based on the general election results.”

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Ahhh, no wonder the media is trashing Palin and talking puppies. Distract the people. MUST distract. NO new news, no vetting…divert divert. lol..sigh.

@#89: utahpuma,
I know. I am anxious about. I remember Obama talking in the primaries about making changes with the power of our media. (Which would be good…if I trusted HIM.) I KNOW it’s on his agenda. It’s terrible. He’ll make it so that he benefits.

Ok, now I am really going…lol. have a good day pumas.

mountainsong 11.10.08 at 2:41 pm

gumbykat 11.10.08 at 2:36 pm Ya mean it’s not 100% already? Like where is it free?
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What? I did not say anything about 100%??

Ijust heard about Hillary getting snubbed AGAIN, it just makes me furious! Second, not sure if anyone has posted this yet, an Obama National Holiday:

http://special.cjonline.com/stories/110908/loc_353922770.shtml

The NEW Reagan Revolution
Bring Conservatism BACK!

From the Desk of Michael Reagan

Saturday, Nov. 8

Dear Conservative Friend,

It’s official: America has its first truly Socialist president… and it’s the Republican Party’s fault.

No, scratch that — it’s the so-called “leaders” of the GOP who are at fault for this humiliating defeat — and I say it’s time to name names and make heads roll in our party. Because, my fellow conservatives, we have been BETRAYED by the very people who promised that, if we would just elect them, they would get into office and vote OUR conservative values.

THEY LIED… THE GOP DIED.

But we CAN resurrect it — IF we start TODAY to take action, by both booting out our failed fake-conservative “leadership” AND vowing to FIGHT tooth and nail against the coming tidal wave of destructive, anti-American legislation that’s now heading our way… thanks to Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

We CAN fight back — Join me now in the NEW Reagan Revolution, to bring Conservatism BACK!

ReaganAction.com
https://secure.conservativedonations.com/reagan_action/?a=1781

As I sit here looking at yesterday’s election results — maps, vote tallies, exit polls, state and national results, and much more — I have to say that, like many of you, I’m in a state of shock.

Not because I’m surprised, mind you — I warned you that this would happen if the Republican Party nominated John McCain for president.

Yes, I was right… but believe me, that doesn’t make me happy. What it makes me… is angry.

Angry at the Democrats, of course. Once again, they ran a campaign full of lies and hate-filled attacks, from Obama’s claims that he had “never heard” his racist pastor’s anti-American rhetoric over a 20-year period of time, to his claims that his terrorist friend Bill Ayers was “just a guy in the neighborhood,” to outright slanderous speech against Governor Sarah Palin… but hey, I expect the Democrats to act that way. It’s their nature.
Angry at the “moderate” (meaning liberal) Rockefeller-wing of the Republican Party, who tried to kill the idea of grassroots involvement of hardworking, patriotic, conservative Americans in our party. There’s NO grassroots activism when the Rockefeller wing’s philosophy prevails; that wing of the party consists of “kingmakers” operating from behind the throne, while the Reagan wing of the party has always lived and thrived at the grassroots, where the real Americans live. When the Rockefeller-wing philosophy prevails, the GOP loses. When the Reagan wing is in control, we win.
Angry with President Bush because he was unwilling to stop Republican Congressional leaders from overspending and because his administration failed to lay the blame for the financial crisis at the feet of Rep. Barney Frank and Senator Chris Dodd that protected Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from reform.

Angry at the so-called “leaders” of our party, who promised us that if we’d just vote for who they put up for election, we’d finally get what we wanted: smaller government, lower taxes, dramatically lower spending, pro-life laws, pro-marriage constitutional amendments, pro-American economics… well, YOU AND I put them in power, and they gave us nothing but BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG DEFICITS, and LIBERAL COMPROMISES.
I say, NO MORE! Join me now in the NEW Reagan Revolution, to bring Conservatism BACK!

ReaganAction.com
https://secure.conservativedonations.com/reagan_action/?a=1781

As bad as yesterday’s election results were, I believe there IS “light at the end of the tunnel” — I believe we now have the opportunity to finally turn out these fake “leaders” that have betrayed conservatism and given us Barack Obama. We have the opportunity to bring back the Reagan wing of the Republican Party, to slow down the socialist legislation from Pelosi and Reid, and to restore this great Republic to its original ideals of basic self-evident truths: our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

This is our chance, friend. It may be our ONLY chance to save our Party — and it may be our LAST chance to save our country.

Here’s what I’m doing to help make that happen: Today, I’m officially launching a new website, ReaganAction.com. This is no wimpy little website with some news articles and a bunch of editorial writers griping about how bad things are. The time for “just talking” is OVER — now is the time for ACTION!

Every day, we’ll give the members of this site — our own “Reagan Activists” — the information they need in order to take real grassroots action to counter the greatest political threat we’ve ever faced within our own government. It won’t take a lot of time — usually only a few minutes a day — but the political payout will be HUGE!

Here are some of the things that YOU AND I will be able to do at ReaganAction.com:

STOP LIBERAL BILLS — We can expect an immediate onslaught of extreme liberal bills to be “fast-tracked” through Congress and signed by Obama. We will constantly be on the watch for these bills — and every time they get introduced, we’ll alert our Activists to literally FLOOD Capitol Hill with millions of phone calls, faxes, emails and even hand-delivered letters and petitions, DEMANDING that our elected legislators do what WE say, or else face our wrath at the next election!
FIGHT LIBERAL EXECUTIVE ORDERS — You can be sure that President Obama (oh, how that phrase terrifies me!) will get right to work on Day One, issuing Executive Orders that will make your skin crawl: repealing pro-life presidential directives, ordering agencies to fund far-left groups like ACORN and the ACLU, signing over American sovereignty to the United Nations and the European Union… he’s got a long list! But for every liberal (and usually unconstitutional) Executive Order that Barack Obama issues, we’ll alert our Activists to BARRAGE the White House with even MORE phone calls, faxes, emails and even hand-delivered letters and petitions, DEMANDING that he “reverse course” on those Orders or face a Republican Congress in 2010!
EXPOSE LIBERAL CORRUPTION — With the Democrats back in power in both Congress and the White House, you KNOW that they’ll be falling right back into their habits of taking lobbyists’ money under the table, trading votes for campaign contributions, spying on and sabotaging Republican legislative plans, covering up their leaders’ sexual “flings,” and spending taxpayer money on personal expenses like never before. But this time, YOU AND I will be there every step of the way, making sure that no stone is left unturned, every dark corner is filled with light, and every illegal act is paid for with censure, impeachment, recalls, investigations, and jail time for every criminal we expose in Washington, D.C.
COUNTER THE LIBERAL MEDIA — Whenever any of these things take place, we’ll be directing our “Reagan Activists” to constantly fill the news media with letters to the editor, guest editorials, and news articles detailing the socialistic and corrupt policies of the new liberal regime, and offering America a better way — the way of freedom… the CONSERVATIVE way.
Together, we CAN save America from the new liberal regime! Join me now in the NEW Reagan Revolution, to bring Conservatism BACK!

ReaganAction.com
https://secure.conservativedonations.com/reagan_action/?a=1781

And don’t forget — I’ll also be spreading the word the same way I do already: by writing nationally-syndicated columns each week, and by speaking to over five million listeners each and every weekday on my nationwide radio show!

We MUST do this. Really — what choice do we have, except to fight back and WIN? As my father, President Ronald Reagan, once said, “We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow.”

My father wasn’t afraid to call evil what it was — and neither am I. He defeated the “Evil Empire” called the Soviet Union — but now we face a new “Evil Empire.” It’s called Socialism, and it’s taken over our once-free nation through the victories of Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

We do NOT have to give up. We do NOT have to slink into some dark corner and lick our wounds. This is OUR MOMENT TO SHINE — and that’s why I’m launching ReaganAction.com!

Like I said before, when the Reagan wing is in control, we win. We don’t need kingmakers; we need workers, and until we get them we’ll stay the minority party. We don’t need to keep the toady liberals who call themselves the “leaders” of the Republican Party; we need conservatives to TAKE BACK the Republican Party, and GET RID OF those losers!

WILL YOU JOIN ME, and hundreds of thousands of your fellow conservative activists nationwide? Let’s show these liberals what real REAGAN Republicans can do, when WE’RE in charge of the GOP!

Join me now in the NEW Reagan Revolution, to bring Conservatism BACK!

http://www.ReaganAction.com/

With Hope in the Future,

Michael Reagan
Chairman
ReaganAction.com

P.S. Already, the new radical regime in Washington, D.C. is planning their first legislative attacks on America:

Huge increases in payroll and income taxes;
Redistributions “share the wealth” policies;
Repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act;
Forcing faith-based groups to hire gays;
Repeal all state regulations on abortion through FOCA;
Require taxpayer funding of abortion through Medicaid;
Block all efforts to “Drill Here, Drill Now” in America;
Impose universal health care through job-killing employer mandates;
Appoint activists liberal Supreme Court judges;
Kill conservative talk radio by re-instituting the “Fairness Doctrine”;
Require comprehensive sex education from the earliest grades in public schools;
Enforce bilingual education in the public schools;
Allow convicted felons to vote;
Take secret ballot voting away from workers deciding on whether to unionize…
The list goes on and on and on…

And it’s up to YOU AND I to stop them! Don’t let the door slam shut on this opportunity to make a difference…

Join me now in the NEW Reagan Revolution, to bring Conservatism BACK!

ReaganAction.com
https://secure.conservativedonations.com/reagan_action/?a=1781

Thank you!

Please make your check payable to:
Policy Issues Institute
30011 Ivy Glen, Ste #223
Dept Code 1781
Laguna Niguel, CA 92677

I suppose the mail gets opened before it gets to us ……
Obuma is going to give all his supporters PC so they can communicate…….
The Obuma Army will unplug any dissenters………..
We will be searched and all guns taken away…..
How will we fight this …………….????????????

Sandipuma

I haven’t seen you for awhile. I love your enthusiasm and energy. You go girl!

ReaganAction.com
https://secure.conservativedonations.com/reagan_action/?a=1781

Thank you!

Please make your check payable to:
Policy Issues Institute
30011 Ivy Glen, Ste #223
Dept Code 1781
Laguna Niguel, CA 92677

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I don’t think so…………..

I want ice cream with that cake!

Just wanted to repost……….totally agree with you Texas. These are the reasons I am a PUMA and why this is what I will work on in the future. Getting the truth out that was swept under the rug by the msm and DNC………
Home sick today so not keeping up with the blog.

TexasTigress 11.10.08 at 9:37 am

Ok , the ideas being banded about (Henri)are very good ideas and should be acted on , but , just let me put this out there …
I know you are all bi -partisan , ex-partisan , no-partisan , whatever , now , but I also know that the OPs (original Pumas ) still espouse basic Democratic principles , and their future votes will reflect that .
Considering that there were 18 million + voters who supported Sen. Clinton and share our core political identity (more than who voted for XO ) and also noting that the majority of them were never as informed as pumas were about the caucus fraud and corruption , the buying of super delegates , and the intimidation and sexism that went on , ask yourselves this , ” Had the American people and the majority of Democrats been INFORMED about what was really going on during the primaries , would the out come have been the same ?”
If your answer is “No” (which is what I believe) then ask yourselves THIS , “How , without continuing our work of exposing the leadership of the DNC and working towards removing them from office whether it is through ethics investigations or FEC investigation or FBI investigations , HOW are we ever going to be able to elect a person to office that isn’t hand picked by that same corrupt machine ?”
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Jenniforhillary

You go girl,100% agree with you!

Gays in this country remind me of the Jews who helped Hitler come to power.
Difference being gays will get to live to regret it.
it’s time for tough love. Let Bobo put his anti- whoever legislation in place.
Stay quiet on a lot of issues.
Let them learn what it means to have voted this clown into office.
Come the mid-terms we can change everything.

freddiebrown
I agree with you, However I think people are still venting. we need a date set to where the entire focus, every thread is dedicated to setting an agenda.
Brainstorm it, set the agenda, brainstorm how we are going to pull it off and then get to work.

ignorance is bliss…..

I voted for John Mccain, but am a little confused about all the gay marriage discussion. None of the major candidates supported it – Hillary Clinton, BO, or Mccain.

In terms of sheer numbers, women had a much larger role in electing BO than AAs did.

And people with children went overwhelmingly for Prop 8, as did married people – regardless of ethnicity, etc. Those groups had a much larger impact than AAs.

TerryDo 11.10.08 at 3:04 pm

mick 11.10.08 at 2:26 pm

re: Boycott Christmas Shopping

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Not a chance. My family ALWYAS does Christmas up big, We have friends over and bounce around each others house.
Its a grand tradition and we should ALL join in on it. Especially this YEAR< Give us the sense of family and community.
As to gifts. we are usually rather picky.We ignore lists, except form the little ones. Buy what we think that person will enjoy.
I usally get people their favorite foods. Prime rib, Lobster expensive chocolates.
Maybe you should go that way. Still shuts off the retailers push.

Question to all….

I’m thinking about starting a few little specialized political blogs of my own. I have a Livejournal account already. Would people read a Livejournal blog (no account needed) or should I use Blogspot or what?

Yes, we need to focus. As I have said before, I understand the need to vent. But, aside from letters, e-mails, and petitions, which I’m certain are mainly ignored by their intended targets, venting is all we are doing. And engaging in some vicious in-fighting, which can only scatter us more. So, just as one suggestion: We need a thread dedicated only to objectives, which does not get sent “downstairs,” as the saying seems to be. Any one PUMA should only post once, and so should make it count. Then, at some agreed upon date, perhaps we can actually exercise a little of our democratic character and vote. We need to decide how many objectives will take priority, so we can vote on our preferences. From there, it’s a matter of “planning our work and working our plan.” I know, oversimplification, but you get the drift. What do you all think?

Griffin
Got my vote. The singular post is a great idea. Put our thoughts in one place at one time.

Be back tonight. In promised my self I wouldn’t eat any more meals in front of the comp and just did my lunch. Lol.
Can’t stay away

Hi UtahPuma good to see you. I have been in here some.

#99 UTAH PUMA Here is the link that will give you ALL of the 2008 Presidential Electors. One problem, last time I looked, they weren’t there. http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#2008names
I spoke to a lady yesterday and she said they had not received them so they can’t put them online yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if they waited until the last day so we can’t challenge him.
Also, please note at the same website there are states that are BOUND and must vote for the candidate that won:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/laws.html

Seattlegirl 11.10.08 at 1:22 pm
goandersen: I am sure individual gay women have been fighting for women’s rights. I said I have not seen gay orgs fighting for womens rights. They manage to stay focused on their own issues. Well Me too.
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Generally speaking, lesbians have been at the core of most women’s rights, and many other political movements’, struggles. When those groups begin to gain some attention, lesbians are relegated to the back offices, in order that the organization doesn’t lose credibility, or doesn’t give mainstream the abiltity to dismiss them as just a “lesbian” (eeeks) organization”. Also, the lesbians who “present” well (i.e. present physically as hetero orientation) become the public faces of those organizations.
I wonder if you know that the original NOW was begun by lesbians? I wonder if you know that the lesbians were shoved into the back offices in order to attract hetero women?

I wonder if you are surprised by the number of lesbians who are involved in, and bust ass for, Puma PAC? It makes sense though, doesn’t it? A majority of lesbians are not rainsing children of husbands, and therefore have more time to dedicate.

Right above the link to the 2008 electors, click on the 2004 one and look at the certificates of ascertainment and other documentation so you can look at other documents for that year.

^ correction: A majority of lesbians are not raising children or husbands, and therefore have more time to dedicate.

We bought USA Today for 11/10 and the BC ad was not there. The link now says it will be run on Nov 17
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/Obama-USA-TODAY-ad.htm

Wow, Howard Dean stepping down as DNC chair. I would not have expected that. I wonder if he did?

DancesWithPumas 11.10.08 at 3:43 pm: POST #137

“Generally speaking, lesbians have been at the core of most women’s rights, and many other political movements’, struggles…………..”

BEST AND MOST ACCURATE POST ON THE SUBJECT OF “LESBIAN WOMEN”

How is it the 600 million dollar machine is in debt?

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Friend –

Tom

DancesWithPumas 11.10.08 at 3:43 pm

I am good friend with one of the founding member of NOW. We stopped talking three months ago. Anyway… want to add a word to the discussion..

….bi-sexual.

We are in deep ca ca!

SHASTA2002 You didn’t think Obama would keep Dean, did you? He served his purpose? How does he get rid of Nancy Botox or can he?

Murphy, great new web page!

My computer has been down (two weeks) Having withdrawl from not blogging!! So please bear with me as I catch up.

1. I didn’t vote for Obama, but now that he won I’am HOPING for the best.

2. I was watching the Fox channel last week and they showed this black lady in the crowd and she was saying how elated she was about Obama winning the election and how she will not have to pay for gas anymore or her mortgage or her taxes. WHAT!! Then the news anchor said have we become, “the land of moochers”.
(Now the way I was raised is that you had to work to help pay your bills.)!!!
(I also realize that this is one womens reaction, and not everyone agrees with her)!

3. I now understand the whole “Presidental puppy issue”.
I saw on other web sites that Obama and his wife don’t celebrate their kids birthdays or Christmas.

4. It should be interesting when President Obama has to read to the children every year, “Twas the night before Christmas” as has been a tradition in the white house for years.

5. Also the California Proposition 8, I feel was a hugh step back for people in the gay community. Hopefully they can turn things around by organizing a group to express their views.

And I also would like to mention that in this election year I feel that women have taken a beating as they have tried to get beyond all the SEXISM that took place this year. I can’t believe how I have read that other countrys have women in high power positions and even in offices of president, yet the United States, the super power, has yet to place a women in this position. As I am disappointed in this, I hope that one day we will regroup and be stronger than ever and finally be given that high honor that many aspire too. We will not give up!

Great to be back!

#150 HB Boston I love it, a CRAWL!! Perfect.

13 million for postage, i don’t think so…

ladyhawkke,

Executive order to get rid of Nancy???

Changes4me
your link is broken

3. I now understand the whole “Presidental puppy issue”.
I saw on other web sites that Obama and his wife don’t celebrate their kids birthdays or Christmas.
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I think it was reported that they don’t celebrate either with gifts. They do special things instead… sleepovers,etc. on children’s birthdays.
I know several Christian families who do not celebrate Christmas by buying into the commercialism of it.

#26 Seattlegirl 11.10.08 at 1:17 pm

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Flasunshiner 11.10.08 at 4:26 pm #171
I meant someone who said “that guy” in reference to Obama…we might find many saying that.

CJ 174

The names I call Obama in private are not fit to repeat on this blog.

alohapuma 177

Yes, this is the same guy who talked over me when I called to fuss about Florida losing their votes in the primary. He tried to get me to support Barry even though he personally preferred Hillary. Now, I think the horrible truth has set in, and he is not a happy man.

ok, let me catch up….how was Hillary snubbed again..I missed that. And is it true Howard Dean has resigned as DNC chair? maybe time for someone else.

Flasunshiner 11.10.08 at 4:37 pm
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lol I understand

The names I call Obama in private are not fit to repeat on this blog.

————-Probably a to good for him too!

DancesWithPumas 11.10.08 at 4:28 pm

#26 Seattlegirl 11.10.08 at 1:17 pm

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Holy Smokes Dances! I heard that from all the way over at the WordPress Site

Ex-DemInVA 11.10.08 at 4:54 pm

ya dam right, we will exercise womans right to fight that one!focus should be on Human Rights, Civil Rights, and preserving our Democracy.

HP Boston

yeah….let women save democracy…..I’m in.

Does anyone have a link for the Obama wants an army story? Thanks

Woodie 191

just spread the word. get it out to students. How about letting the media know we are going to spread the word then they as usual will do it for us…..lol

Aloha puma,

have you checked your email. should be one in there from me.

ok…thanks guys….I googled and found nothing. Thanks Taggles, I’ll look.

taggles…dont have it. Have the project emails but nothing with a link.

Hey, kids, I know!!!!!!!
How about if women, lesbians and gays, sit this one out while the remainder handle the issues at hand?

BTW, I was thinking about this whole primary and election cycle fiasco yesterday. Something then dawned on me. I have a sneaking suspicion that Patti Solyse Doyle (sp?) was paid off a long time ago by the Obama campaign to run Hillary’s money dry early in the primary. Hillary had about $100 million ready for when she entered January 2008, and almost all of the money was gone. She was shocked as to where it went. I think that Obama wanted to knee cap her early on so that she couldn’t get her footing and would be playing catch up with trying to raise money. That’s when the campaign then went to asking private donors for money. Then, Doyle was let go. She then went and worked for the Obama campaign. Hillary didn’t have the available funding then to challenge voter fraud in lawsuits such as what occurred in Gary, IN. She didn’t have the $$ to challenge the FL and MI debacle. This is what the Obama campaign wanted and they knew it would keep her one step behind. It also kept the media focusing on That One because he had the money.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html – Cached
Is Obama’s Civilian Army of 250,000 A Step Towards Infringing on Second …
Is Obama’s Civilian Army of 250,000 A Step Towards Infringing on Second Amendment Rights and other Everything else forum topics at HSN.com
forums.hsn.com/hsn_postsm61623_Is-Obamas-Civilian-Army-of-250000-A-… – 60k – Cached I googled this!

Woodie 11.10.08 at 5:08 pm

well here;s one article:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=69601

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I remember hearing him saying this…but he still got elected.
Seems like Hitler’s army….kids snitching on families,friends and neighbors and visa versa…..
gee what a great guy this one is…..
sure wish he could get impeached…

One down:

Howard Dean to step down…

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/10/dean_to_step_down_as_dnc_chair.html

OK…the Civilian National Security Force…got it.

I’ve been asking Obama supporters for months to explain what he means by a “civilian national security force” and have yet to get one single explaination. Why this statement wasn’t enough to get Obama booted from the national scene is beyond rational thinking.

To whom does a civilian national security force report and what is their objective? Is it a volunteer force and who is the “enemy”.

Ex-DemInVA 11.10.08 at 5:09 pm

Ah yup…as Murphy would say. Totally. Patti Solis Doyle was an inside job. I believe she is not the Vice President’s Chief of Staff.

Hi DWP!

Aloha, I will send you another tonight. BOLO

I fear it may be us….

This “civilian national security force” sounds an awful lot like Hitler’s brownshits. This is very dangerous. It needs to be made vocal and stopped!

Re: “The Fairness Doctrine:

“With the deregulation sweep of the Reagan Administration during the 1980s, the Commission dissolved the fairness doctrine.”

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I would like to offer a slightly different viewpoint of “say no” to the “Fairness Doctrine”:

The out-of-control mainstream media bias, as we know it today, is a product of “the deregulation sweep of the Reagan Administration and repeal of “the fairness doctrine”.

The mainstream media is perfectly capable of shutting down anyone with an opposing viewpoint to the highest bidder – because they no longer have any legal obligation to report both sides of a story – yet can still call a report “journalism”.

Basically, the media, as we know it today, use their venues and journalists as media publicists for their respective blocks of advertisers – whether spotlighting their advertisers own interests or playing to their advertisers’ markets (readership/viewing audience).

Without some sort of “regulation” on how news is reported – conglomerates control what the people hear – and there is no law to prevent it. The cannon of ethics for journalists is about as reliable as that other “profession” known as “attorneys”.

Attorneys, as “officers of the court” are sworn to tell the truth in a court of law – think about that one – and then come back after you have finished rolling on the floor, laughing your a$$ off.

And if that felt good – just remind yourself that journalists are supposed to be non-biased, non-partisan reporters of “events”, delivered to the public as “fair and balanced news”.

wontbackdown 11.10.08 at 5:27 pm
Re: “The Fairness Doctrine:
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Thank you for that!

Heneri, I posted this downstairs, haven’t been here in a while, lost my direction!!!

bruce555 11.10.08 at 5:21 pm

Heneri,
I like your plan, I will be watching for further directions, I’m in Broward County, FL, will get the district & other names, & will let you know.

A lot of good it did for Hillary to stand by the donkeys:

Hillary was recently denied an opportunity to head up a sub-committee:
From the Washington Post
“Ailing Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) apparently has rebuffed a bold bid by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) to take over health care policy in the Senate when the new Congress convenes in January.

Sources tell the Sleuth Clinton had approached Kennedy, who chairs the Senate health committee, and Democratic leaders about creating a new special health care subcommittee, one she would chair.

Her hope was to draft the legislation that would fulfill her presidential campaign promise – and President-elect Barack Obama’s – for a sweeping health care overhaul plan.”

Head over to The Washington Post and the NY Post and leave a comment about how you feel about this

You can also message Senator Kennedy and let him know that you support Hillary and that you would like to see Hillary play a role in helping to reform the Healthcare system.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11082008/news/politics/denied_137757.htm
Senator Edward M. Kennedy:
http://kennedy.senate.gov/senator/contact.cfm

I posted this brain storm this morning, then went off to work. I just got the first chance to go back to this morning’s thread and see the discussion there. I haven’t read it all, but I did see that it was discussed. One member even wanted to nominate me for President! Thanks, but I would rather have Hillary!

Anyway, I too, have decided that I am ready to go on and do some good with the knowledge that we have. This is my attempt to get a conversation going on something positive.
Heneri
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Ok, so we have had a week to lick our wounds and vent our anger. Now it is time to reconcile our minds and plan for the future. If we don’t we are just a tempest in a teapot, a gripe session, a meeting place for angry discussion. Ontherocks, you are right. We need to find some direction and go with it.

After a good night’s sleep, (Have to make this quick, have to work today)I have drawn some conclusions. I will share.
First Phase of Thinking:
1. They did it. They (the corrupt ones in the DNC) have almost complete control of our country come Jan 20. Barring a miracle like finding out he isn’t a citizen, we are stuck with him for 4 years.
2. The DNC did not meet their goal of a super majority in the legislature. Some of those seats are still being fought over in recounts and run off elections. Even if the DNC wins there, they still won’t have the super majority. This is significant.
Next phase of thinking:
1. The president elect cannot do much without the backing of the legislature.
2. A significant part of the legislature is up for reelection in two years.
3. Some races are still pending recount or run off elections.
Phase three of thinking:
1. At this point we have to think of containment. If the PE or the DNC sends down some radical measures to the legislature, we need to be on top of the issues and take appropriate action.
2. In the races still to be decided, we need to support the opposition, even if we don’t like them. This aids in containment.
3. We need to be aware of executive orders and their impact on the processes of our government. We need to be willing to hook up with groups who will take the worst of these matters to court if necessary to blunt the impact of bad ones.
4. We need to be diligent in our legislative watch to make sure no onerous legislation gets through without a fight.
Fhase 4 of thinking:
1. We need to be laying the groundwork for the midterm elecytions coming up in two years.
2. Keeping an eye on the powers of the majority, we need to keep the legislature as dilute of supporters of the president as is humanly possible.
3. In order to keep dilution adequate we need to support members of other political parties, including republicans, but especially unaffiliated and third party candidates where appropriate.
4. Before we support a legislative candidate for an office, we need to check them our carefully, so as not to support any radicals.

In conclusion: Containment of the problem is crucial. It can only be done with adequate observation and activism on the part of the PUMApac and other interested parties. The goal must be containment and dilution of the legislature in the midterm elections and support of the opposition in the recounts and run off elections.

PS: As Obama selects his cabinet, he is pulling heavily from the legislature. So far we have one member of the Senate (John Kerry) and one member of the house (Rham Emanuel) who will be leaving to serve in the Administration. The senate seat will be an appointed person until the next midterm election, the house seat will be a special election.

We need to be completely aware of who is involved and what is happening in filling any spaces that Obama appointments to the cabinet leave open.

good work Heneri

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/10/palin_to_speak_at_rga_meeting.html

Palin to speak at Governer’s convention

DancesWithPumas: You are most welcome – (I railed against it when Reagan deregulated the industry and abolished the “Fairness Doctrine” – because anyone informed about the issue – and concerned for the publics right to know all of the facts – could see where it could lead – and it did.)

That is what I believe will be PUMAS and other similar groups GREATEST CONTRIBUTION to our society if it can get really focused. That is to INFORM PEOPLE OF THE FACTS – and find a way to get the information out “on the street” and to the non-internet immersed general public.

#223 GoPumaGo

I have always believed that we need to start with the children and then the young adults to teach them understanding of others, tolerance, kindness, etc.

Look how Obama used the youth and you can see how easily they are influenced.

Although my kids are grown and out of the nest, I believe parents should be aggressively involved in youth activities, the PTA, sports, etc. Over the years with two parents working or a single parent raising kids alone, parents don’t have the time to spend with their kids anymore. My adult son is a Big Brother to two teenage boys and it really makes a difference in their lives.

freddiebrown and mountainsong
Great!
PLease post two or three specific concrete actions that you would like to see Pumas execute today. Thanks.

tennaseepuma 11.10.08 at 5:30 pm: (Love Is – POST 227)

That was worth reading twice for me. Thank you.

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If anyone is a musician and/or composer: Yesterday, I saw the film “August Rush” – twice! I highly recommend it, if you haven’t seen it!

mountainsong 11.10.08 at 5:40 pm

freddiebrown 11.10.08 at 3:03 pm

“We aren’t really ‘fighting’ for anything”….”If we are going to fight, let’s FIGHT. If we’re just going to sit around and talk, and bitch and moan~~…”
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I agree and I’m ready. Lead on.
I think we are still depressed but we should be really working at it….We need to group up or meet up …

DancesWithPumas 11.10.08 at 5:49 pm:

I would like to raise the roof on demanding that Hillary Clinton be the ONLY CHOICE CONSIDERED for heading up Health Care Reform.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2008/2008-pamphlet.pdf

Very good info about the electoral votes.

Is that ok, Dances?

Or we could follow the definition of insanity~~~which is doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results.
And if none of that works, then i guess it’s time to bend over and kiss our butts ‘good-bye’.

wontbackdown #246- Are the Pumas going to do a prowl to help Sen. Clinton get the lead on Health Care Reform?

mountainsong 11.10.08 at 5:58 pm
Is that ok, Dances?
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see above for my response.
I need your answer in order to proceed.

http://www.meetup.com I sent this to Murphy to check it out..I’m not sure it’s frugal but it’s a way to see each other and get things done state by state…. check it out and see.
anyone can organize a meetup like Murphy and then a sub organizer…
usually $1 I’ve paid to cover cost of the site so I’ve been told…….I’m not good at this but can follow suit easily and add ideas.
sometimes I add too much.

Everyone:
If you put together an action /prowl, or want to gather support for same, please repost in Actions! forum for wider exposure. Many pumas check and interact there.
The link is on the up left of teh left hand sidebar under FORUMS. Either we use it or we’ll lose it.

CJ 11.10.08 at 6:06 pm
DancesWithPumas 11.10.08 at 6:04 pm
utahpuma
there’s also an extensive list under GB’s prowl at:
http://pumapac.org/prowlstalk.html
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wow is that our site…well that’s useful.
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CJ
Before you do anything else… do me, and yourself a huge favor, Click this Puma PAC link and explore the sections contained therein, if may be a great assistance to you in the future.

http://pumapac.org/action_center.html

DancesWithPumas 11.10.08 at 5:57 pm
Ostensibly, for the purpose of the blog, Murphy is the apparent leader and you, Mama and Maryland (whatever happened to MP?).
But, for the sake of long term-survival, leaders unknown to the public and most others should be picked. Mimic the enemy.
Smaller cells, (oops, like groups of 4) around the country.
Basically, organize by locale. Carry messages by hand, when travelling. Or by pre-arranged code or events.
This Central Government we now have is only effective as long as we NEED them.
But by organizing local infrastructure~~~food, transportation, communication, medical necessities~~~we abate the need. And we stop sending them our $$ in the form of taxes and use it on our own communities.
Our national economy is already in a shambles. Our nation is the greatest debtor nation on earth. Our cash money is nearly worthless. So we need another medium of exchange and stop sending all our remaining wealth to support the dictator and his ’system’.
May I remind everyone that our American Revolution began over a half/penny tax on a box of tea? Now look what we pay. We are a nation of voluntary slaves, and apprently LOVE it.

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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk

Our health care is a scam and I would sooner trust my health to a native american shaman that some idiot who went to ’school’ for years to get a piece of paper that entitles them to become legal drug pushers.
In order for their health care ’system’ to work, they have to convince us, and keep us convinced, that we really are sick.
Let me ask you all~~~
How many people can you tink of, in your whole life, who have EVER gone to a doctor who CURED them?
Usually, the cotors want to perforn ‘tests’, which puts money in their pocket, the Secretary, and appointment scheduler’s pocket, the x-ray or other technician’s. And then, “Here!! Let me write you a prescription for this, and for that, and you come back in 2 weeks and if nothing has cjhhanged we’ll perform more tests and try some other prescription.”
Meanwhile you go broke and they all live in wonderful houses, drive nice cars, and send their children to private schools!!!
Fuck THAT!!!

STOP wasting your time PEEPS….HILLARY will NEVER NEVER NEVER get a damn thing…

I don’t want to be a downer, but times have changed and the only one with power is BO and the bots….

There is ONLY hate between them, and he will never give her one god damn thing except the back side of his hand or his middle finger…

on to more productive agenda items PLEASE

Dances..

I’m on the Prowl list .. whenever you’re ready!

jenniforhillary
Wrong Jenni, the ultimate power rests with the people. As always. One way or another the people are to blame for this.
They have two of the three branches of government for now. We can and must shut them down at the midterms.
I the meantime. slow them up every way possible.

Murphy, Murphy, Murphy

OK so maybe this has been mentioned a gazillion times but you/we/the PUMAS need to write a BOOK.

1. It will get the info out there in a consolidated fashion.

2. It could be a collaboration between some of the major PUMA groups…each writing a chapter. Thus keeping the larger group concentrated on a central focus point…and drifting apart or becoming defunct as you have mentioned.

3.You/we could get financial support from individual PUMAS but also Lynn De Rothschild…she has name recognition and could get TV interviews to help promote it.

4. You/we have tons of info on this site to reference to chronicle who we are, how we started, fascinating blog comments…info about nobo that never made it to MSM…why we are against nobo…what our mission is now and so on.

5. We have some excellent PUMA writers to pool from here and at the other websites.

6. It would give us a focus beyond infighting and provide and opportunity to recruit more PUMAS.

7. Keep it simple and it will work!!
Entitle it: Who ARE These PUMAS? The REAL Grassroots Movement

Am going to come up with some chapter titles…anyone esle want to join in?

CJ
http://pumapac.org/forums/

Just to be a little reductionist….

This is a blog. One of many PUMA blogs. There are also many other blogs focused on diffent causes. Most of us post at more than one blog and work for more than one cause.

I suggest that this blog continue to do what this blog does best: actions and research. For whatever compatible cause our members ask help for, from one week to the next, as different things happen in the outside world.

Current needs in the news seem to include Hillary’s health care subcomittee, reaction to Prop 8, defending Palin. Up soon I hope will be founding and/or supporting alternative news sites getting started (http://dailypuma.blogspot.com/ is one).

We don’t need to pledge our whole group forever to certain priorities. We can just do actions and discussions on whatever our members bring up — just as we’ve always done, really.

Setting a particular focus would mean losing some members and trying to recruit from outside to replace them.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/
Immigration, this is my big issue. I have a problem with illegals.

that logo he has gives me the creeps….i wish i knew what it meant.

co-chair of O’s transition team says Obama will be “ready to RULE on day one.”

RULE? Not lead? Or govern?