How Close?

I”m pooped climbing up and down these stairs……..can’t find anyone

Hi CJ

Murphy………I don’t care. I vote for the person and since there is no more the Democratci Party for the people I say what you say ex-partisan and try to get things done right.
right?

A democratic political activist wouldn’t normally support a candidate like Sheila Blair but the democrats basically disowned us so……..

Rabblerouser 11.09.08 at 1:16 pm

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I demand escalators!!!!!

I don’t know Blair specifically, but I do know that the FDIC is one of the most stable entities in the financial arena in this country. I also perceive there is a tight leash and little graft within the department. My guess is that Blair is competent. I will try to find out more about her.

If she’s good, we should support her. At this point, does it really matter, Republican or Democrat? After this election, aren’t they both the same?

I always wonder what Obama has to gain every time he cozies up to someone. He is a master deal maker.

I sometimes look at Obama as Tom Sawyer painting the fence: He has the job but through all kinds of salesman ship and deception he finds ways to reward himself while everyone else does the grunt work.

Murphy – well, Bush had one democrat in his cabinet – is this a litte of the same with a female Repub? I think That One is trying to appease women and repubs!! Would need to find out more concerning Blair.

NewOrleansPuma:
Obviously, we should research her. I meant to say that just because she’s a republican we shouldn’t discount her.

I still believe all that Obama is is a mouth piece…it’s who’s behind him that concerns me.

Murphy —

Please don’t take this the wrong way — I’m just trying to offer an objective critique — but I have seen much evidence that you want to cling to being a Democrat. I’ve said this before (and you may have missed that post) — but the Democratic party is not the party of our parents or grandparents. While at heart — I used to be proud to call myself a “liberal” — I no longer feel comfortable announcing it in today’s political climate of the NEW Democratic party because they’ve turned “liberal” into something ugly — disguised “Marxism.”

Most of the Democratic party uses the code word “Progressive” to disguise their agenda of destroying the constitution and capitalism based institutions. I want no part of this — and unlike you — I hold no delusions about this party any longer. I am not conflicted about abandoning it and I feel that our only hope in reforming it is not to address Democratic Party reform — but to support the Republican party by researching and understanding the representatives and if they have content of character — then by all means — they will be the candidates of my choice.

If the Republican party starts to gain in strength through public support — wouldn’t that in effect (and indirectly) achieve our original goal of making the Democratic Party start looking at why it fails? Possibly enough pressure from the public behind the Republicans would force that reform that we seek (but could not achieve by working directly with the Democratic Party).

Alinsky Rule
RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”

#18 DancesWith Pumas: Ramble on. I get the point…and think you are circling something that is important.

#12 headclunker – Rahm Emanuel is going to be Obama’s White House Chief of Staff. Not really sure what the position is, sort of sounds like glorified butler. The butler was the head of staff and all were responsible to him.

I have been laying in bed this morning. (I’ve gone in between sleeping for two hours, being up for two hours, and so on and so forth this morning)and was thinking about how the youth was really bought.

Most of the youth (aka my peers) were bought during this election. This man paid most of the peers in my age group to campaign for him. He sweet talked and made ‘promises’ of hope and change. But what did he SAY really to get him into office?

There is a bulletin bored up here in my dorm building. And people keep writing things that say: Finally! WE will have change that he promise! We did it! Obama is so sexy!

So I decided to put my two cents in by writing: What change did he promise you? He promised you NOTHING. Knowing my luck what I wrote will be cross out. It still really frustrates me that people can be BOUGHT for their vote.

It just goes to show that people who have money to throw around will use it to no end. What really saddens me is that the people here in America can be BOUGHT.

Ah but wait until six months from now when the peers my age group wake up and realize: WE VOTED FOR A POLITICIAN! WHAT HAVE WE DONE?! HE’S NOT LIKE US AT ALL.

That is where I will sit back and laugh.

In the last two weeks I have had two meetings with seperate factions of the board of realtors (housekeeping things mostly) and another coming up. Some of these things are dinner meetings where people congregate at various tables in groups. Inevitably, the appraiser tend to all congregate together. I found their company particularly comforting and their opinions validating this time.

Everyone feels that the whole system is catywampus to the needs of the nation. It will take a major sorting and fixing of the system before it is right again. A simple paint job overhaul is not possible.

No matter who is in the Treasury position, the job is going to be hard and thankless. Obama does not necessarily want a competent person. He might just want someone to blame should he make bad choices. The fact that Blair is a woman may be out of convenience to satisfy the push for him to nominate one, or it may be that she is republican and he can fulfill his campaign promise with a token r. Or, in some odd twist of reality, he may actually understand that he is in over his head with this one and really reach out. Perhaps it is a little of all of the above.

Research is needed before I decide to support or oppose her.

As for Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff, here’s an informative post from H44.

Good move on BO’s part: Congressman from the 5th district, he knows where those bodies are buried,,,on Bill Clinton’s staff he knows how the WH is run (and where those bodies are, and can be, buried) and was responsible for driving thru BC’s very centrist budget on the hill, so he knows where a lot of Dem and Rep Hill bodies are buried.

Rahm is giving up a lot too. It is not for sure his family will move to DC and for a job that is 24/7, that could not have been an easy choice. Remember also he is giving up one of his big dreams…he was probably going to be the next House Leader, after only 4 or 5 terms in office.

#24 Godzilla

I think I agree with your thought since we need good people to protect as they have been doing. I think anyone Obama touches is coerced into his corruption and I’d like to keep as many good folks away from him. Let the already corrupt that surround him start showing their true colors.

MN:
Good morning baby girl!

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CJ 11.09.08 at 1:32 pm

“Does anyone believe as to what anyone was is still what they are?”

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I totally appreciate this question and see the whole world differently. I even see that my beliefs of supporting Kerry and Gore in the past elections might have been naive — and in a convoluted way — I wonder if the fact that Bush beat them might have been a good thing instead of the horror I once imagined (if that makes sense?)

Guys, this is one of the best editorials on an Obama presidency I have read yet. Please take some time and read it. Its from the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…pe-Earth.html#

Thanks for the feedback on Emanuel. But he sounds like some kind of hatchet-man. The Tel Aviv articles implicate him in some kind of assissination there. These people all seem to have such dark souls.

#21CJ: That is also my point although you said it as clearly as it could be said! I say he is a mouthpiece for the 1% world gloabalization finance crew and members of BOTH PARTIES,and that is why right now things are murky about his proposed appointments. We must clarify and make decisions based on those clarifications as best one can. I do not think this Pac is obligated to take a public position of support for anyone but do think that this Pac is obligated to know who and what these players are and if that entails the need or obligation to publicly support or oppose..so be it. In some cases it may, in others it may not. This is not an easy postion to hold or to pursue ..now..why I say look, research, study..quickly …and then decide where to go or what to do.

Regarding Dem vs. Republican; liberal vs. conservative and/or traditional vs. progressive – labels are powerful things. Here in New Mexico, the Dems put up two of the worst candidates – one for PRC: his father is a Dem heavy; he misued public campaign funds and was fined during the campaign – he was voted in anyway because the Democrats here convinved everyone to vote straight party on the ballot. The other loser is now our Representative – his father also is a really big heavy hitter in the Democratic Party. The guy droppd out of H.S., got his GED, worked in a casino, was the former PRC official and somehow got a college degree in record time. I can’t imagine that ANYONE in their RIGHT mind would vote for him (can you imagine someone like this being able to comprehend let alone work for a good solution to something like the bailout package? Talk about a puppet, he’ll have to ask the Dems and his Daddy how he should vote) … but he was elected with a huge majority. Again – straight party votes. Poll watchers observed poll workers instructing voters to fill in the ‘straight ticket’ circle (which of course is illegal for them to do), but it worked. The challenge of the Republican Party (or Independents) is to get ‘traditional’ and ‘common sense’ Dems to abandon their association with and their emotional connection to a party that doesn’t share their views. It is a very difficult thing to do.

mzebest:

Yes, I agree, maybe the bush fiasco saved us from a different fiasco?

I agree during the Clinton years we had the dot.com industry boom,everything right now appears to be going south even the computer industry. Unless we have a new product that takes off because Obie has stated that we will be right where we are maybe until his second term; he will not make any of his proposed changes like bringing the soldiers home, universal healthcare, etc until then, he made too many promises that people bought. Hopefully he will pick a excellent staff that will assist him during the next four years to make some effective decisions, whether they are dems, independents, or repubs, men or women, it doesnot matter IMO as long as they make this nation their main focus.

#44 CJ 11.09.08 at 1:41 pm

“Everything always falls into place after.
We may/might/maybe/who knows be saying the same thing after Obama’s 8 year reign”

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I doubt I will ever feel Obama was a “good thing” other than the disaster of his candidacy gives the Republican party strength to succeed and oust him. But you know what I fear the most? That Obama will succeed in corrupting the constitution and this country to the point that he will become a dictator and we won’t have a chance to oust him at all.

mzebest 11.09.08 at 1:44 pm

don’t doubt that him with the rock and roll status will fall hard on his head. The youth of today are just looking for the next idol to worship. It’s like how years ago everyone was all a gog over Brittney Spears, Paris Hilton and how they were all in the news.

when the new of Obama has worn off they will start to pick him apart like a bad piece of bread that has mold on it. As one of my former professors said: You young people of today are said to have the attention span of a gnat you hope from one thing to another without really thinking about it.

I believe that YES when they finally discover that he is like all the other politicans out there that the spell will be broken. IF he gets into office and starts to pass laws then they will SEE that he is just like all the ‘old farts’ in the government.

That is my take on it.

mzebest 11.09.08 at 1:48 pm

#44 CJ 11.09.08 at 1:41 pm
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we all fear that…. Constitution has some flaws or let’s say things in it not meant for the 21 century…but it’s ours and we’ve done good by it for a long time. I see our forefathers pacing up and down in that political heaven in the sky…

#56 MakowashiNatsuko

I hope you’re right. I hope they do wake up. But I’m afraid to hold my breath. I wonder how many of that gnat mentality is a product of education reforms at the hands of Bill Ayers?

CJ

Totally on the same page.

mzebest 11.09.08 at 1:54 pm

I’m already seeing signs of it now. Believe it or not I AM seeing it. It’s like these people get a new game, or article of clothing and after a few weeks they new of it wears off.

But really have faith that they probably don’t even know who the hell Bill Ayers is. Hell most of the people that I talked to didn’t know what ACORN was.

And if you want to have faith of how stupid most of my peers are. One of my room mates thought that the Three Musketeers was a book about a candy bar and thought that date rape was gang rape/gang banging.

So yes, most of these people don’t know what the hell we are talking about. They are really stupid and shallow. With a plastic mind that is just full of air.

I haven’t been on the blog for a while so been reading through recent posts, so sorry if my comments are exactly in sync with current posts. I think both parties have power focus over people focus, a lot of policians have to go and get back to doing the people’s business. But with regards to which party is friendlier to women, I got this information from a newsletter – thought you might be interested (it was just before the election):

Sarah Palin may not be the first woman Vice Presidential candidate, but she is a first for the Republican Party and hopefully will be the first ever woman Vice President!

The Democrats may claim to be the party for women, but it is the Republican Party that has always delivered!

Republican women pioneered the right to vote and for equal rights and for equal pay. The Women’s Rights Convention of 1848 started the Suffragette Movement and by 1850 it was a national movement.

By 1870, two Suffragettes were seated at the Massachusetts Republican Convention.

In 1872, the National Republican Party passed a resolution to include more women.

1892 marked the first time two women were seated at the Republican National Convention.

In 1916, Republicans had the first woman elected to Congress, Janette Rankin.

In 1931, Hattie Wyatt Caraway was the first woman ever elected to the Senate, was re-elected and served until 1944. And yes – she was a Republican!

The first Hispanic woman in Congress is Florida’s Ileana Ross-Lehtinen, elected in 1989.

The first Greek-American woman to ever serve both the House and Senate is Maine’s Senator Olympia Snowe. Elected to Congress in 1978 when she was just 31 years old, she is the youngest Republican woman ever elected to Congress.

And don’t forget that the Republican Party was born in the 1850’s on an anti-slavery platform and in 1860, this new party won the presidency with Abraham Lincoln.

The Republican Party has always been for Civil Rights, Freedom and Equality for all. During the 1960’s, most African Americans were Republicans. The traditional values of the Hispanic and other immigrant communities suggest that they, too, should be Republicans.

Ladies, it is time we get the message out to the masses – and especially to women across this country – that a woman’s place is in the Republican Party!

BillieJo:
I am very concerned about voter fraud. I am certain that we have seen it in the last 3 presidential elections. In my opinion, if that means anything, this should be EVERY American’s concern to the point where we all rise up and force our election system to change. I think I have posted my wish list a number of times regarding election reform. Here it is again:
We need to start election reform.

1. One day national primary or no state run primaries at all and make the party hold a convention without a primary or pay for it themselves.

2. Abolition of the electoral college

3. Three day vote casting elections, beginning and ending the same moment nationwide, with no results announced until all the states are completely counted. then report it to the US attorney general who will announce the winner. This will eliminate the awful scene from this election where they announced the winner the moment the polls closed.

4. Reform election finance laws where every donation must be documented including the dl number of the doner.

5. 30 day pre registration before elections, and all states must require photo ID both on registration and on arriving at the polls.

6. No civic group, political party or private organization would be able to register voters. Only official people sworn by the election officials would be able to register you to vote.

7. Not allow a newly registered voter to cast an absentee ballot unless they are a service person, or unless other stringent requirements are met.

8. Make it easier for third party candidates to get on the ballot.

This is just a start.

you people having withdrawals or something…NEVER have so many people agreed with me on a thread………geeze and to think I didn’t take my Ginko Biloba today.

Well it won’t last long I trip up and I’ll soon get the old foot in the mouth syndrome but it’ll be nice while it last.
thanks

#67Dances: Preobamanation principles of the Democratic Party..
Clunk…Clunk…bam bam…( I am hitting my shoe on the mythical people’s desk in support of that one..)
Goes in the pharses and concepts to remember and support!

So many good posts today!

Yes, what I am is what the democratic party gave lip service to but turned out not to be. I am still of that philosophy, they left me, I am still here, intact.

And yes, the Republicans always seem to make more progress with women’s issues and in ways that the dems never seem to get around to. They don’t blow a horn in front of the deed, they just do it. They have had some set backs because of the patrician attitude of the conservative religious movement within the party, but they seem to be getting over that somewhat.

Uggghh the announcer on my Sunday world-music show just dropped the O-word and is now playing music from Kenya. I’m never safe!

#64 MakowashiNatsuko

“So yes, most of these people don’t know what the hell we are talking about. They are really stupid and shallow. With a plastic mind that is just full of air.”

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LOL! I’m not sure if your post was reassuring or frightening. But I copied the last paragraph to emphasize the original question posed of: How much of this mindless shallow mentality is a product of Ayers education reforms (aimed at dumbing down and teaching to the lowest common denominator)?

I’m sure there are a multitude of factors that go to how the parents interact in a child’s learning experience as well — but I taught in the local public district for a brief time and was continually frustrated by the curriculum that didn’t want me to teach to the highest level. I worked in a computer lab and would try to design lesson plans that would challenge the students learning experience. I would face resistance from the teachers who would monitor the lesson. One teacher said to me in front of the students at each lesson, “I think this is too hard for them and you ought to do something simpler and easier.” I had to fight this teacher every time and say “Let me just do my job — they’ll be fine.” And when I would get done — the kids did learn something. They had a lot of questions at first because they were never exposed to lessons that made them think… but I would see a learning curve where the barrage of questions would eventually turn into understanding and they started to have fun when they got that sense of accomplishment and that “ah-hah” light would come on in their brain and they understood the objective. But I was one person… and obviously the majority of teachers prefer a safe curriculum that doesn’t challenge the thinking aspect of learning.

Heneri 11.09.08 at 2:08 pm

Have you ever notice Kaasan that the dems have to be patted on the back and given a piece of candy when they do something GREAT?

#74 Heneri

Exactly.

And I used to think Republicans are evil — and in a different ideology than mine and the two could never meet. But I’ve discovered there’s a lot of common ground that I wouldn’t let myself see before and that there are a lot of “Good People” who I now admire who are “Republicans.” So I now judge on character — not ideology.

I was totally unaware of this

Obama has no Law License
Obama relinquished his Illinois law license in early 2007. Why would
Obama give up something that provided his primary source of income
and something he spent so much time and energy obtaining? Andy Martin
filed a complaint in IL on March 13, 2007 stating that Obama had lied
on his IL bar application. Obama had 17 outstanding traffic violations
that he had failed to take care of. Mr. Martin discovered that Obama
would not be prosecuted because he no longer had his law license. I contacted Andy Martin and this was his response:
“Nothing. Obama had already resigned as a lawyer and so they had no jurisdiction over him.”
“Not if they have lost jurisdiction over the individual. They can’t punish someone who has resigned, which is why so many corrupt lawyers in Illinois resign before they are disbarred.”

HERE HE GOES ALREADY – WELCOME TO THE 4th REICH.
Planning to weild his extrordinary powers without waiting for Congress. Making all these plans to use his “power” to do things without needing congress and none of it has anything to do to help the economy or the people in general…just his pet people……….hold on folks it’s gonna be a rough ride.

WASHINGTON – President-elect Obama’s transition chief said Sunday the incoming administration is looking to reverse President Bush’s executive orders on stem cell research, oil and gas drilling and other matters.

John Podesta said the president can use such orders to move quickly without waiting for Congress to act, highlighting the extraordinary powers a president can wield beyond signing legislation approved by Congress. Podesta said people should expect Obama to use those powers to reverse many policies of the Bush administration.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/ap_on_el_pr/obama

When the Republicans controlled Congress and rubber-stamped everything Bush requested, I called them Stepford Republicans.

Now it looks like it’s going to be Stepford Democrats. Obama has to be in control, that’s his personality. He does that with everything. That’s why Emanuel was named Hatchet Man, er, Chief of Staff.

As an Independent, I support whatever party or group most suits my position on the issues.

I supported Hillary because she was the best candidate and being female was an added plus. When O was selected as the nominee, I vetted McCain and was surprised that he was more honest and straight talking than I expected. Palin I thought was accomplished, strong, and intelligent. (Regardless of what the MSM and staffers say)

I think it’s important today, as voters and citizens, that we not stay in lock-step with one party. I’ve always felt liberated by being an Independent. I chose the candidates I felt were the best-suited for the position, regardless of party. For over 35 years I have mixed my ballot. I’ve voted for different races, religion and ethnic affiliation. With me, it has always been the best candidate for the job. After all, I was judging them as a future employee, since I would share in paying their salaries and footing the bill for their legislations.

If circumstances and events change, we have to adjust. We shouldn’t be confined by one parties agenda especially when it is in conflict with our positions and beliefs.

MakowashiNatsuko 11.09.08 at 2:10 pm

Have you ever notice Kaasan that the dems have to be patted on the back and given a piece of candy when they do something GREAT?
…………
I’m a Taurus and we love attention too. Big old bulls!
So where are we now….ex-partisan, Dems Republican or for the people………I like for the people…
Puma do gooders.

GBPuma 11.09.08 at 2:15 pm

(stage whispers behind hand) and will keep some that would benefit in him spying on the poor people of the US.

#88 last sentence – should read: party’s – not parties (sorry)

From downstairs:
Heneri, MN’s mom — Congratulations! Very Well Done!
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Murphy.
Will it be too hard to try to get us back to the real Democratic ways?

Makowash
z bulls are very family oriented …not good to fool the bull or hurt her family.

CJ,

It is also not good to harm a puma’s cub either. Even though that has nothing to do with my sign what-so-ever!

BrianH 11.09.08 at 2:20 pm

mini-japanese lesson: Kaasan= mother, Haha= mom.

Have a good day. *bows*

Ok I”ve said this before… When does it end? Do you think after centuries the term African American should be just American (rhetorial no question mark). Should I be Italian American and you Japanese or Chinese or hey you American.
My grandpa said if anyone every ask me what I am he said for me to say……..”I’m an American from Italian extraction”
First it was Negro then Blacks then African American…
I had a reeaally Southern friend who said to me…you either are American or you’re not………
Simple eh

mzebest:
It sounds like you were teaching the students how to go out and learn beyond the confines of the standard curriculum. That is the most productive way to learn.

MakowashiNatusko,(my kid) was taught using that method. If we could not find a (prepackaged)source for a subject or an endeavor of some kind, we would go out and get books, do internet research, and make up our own courses. We wrote papers and did research projects on a variety of things. This was in addition to our ‘regular’ work.

This is why I hate the concept of standardization. Even though it makes the job of the teacher easier to prepackage everything, it neuters initative. Kind of like governmental control of everything economic………………….

Makowashi:
go back and read the discussion on the last thread between Rabblerouser and myself. Think over the discussion and call me later this evening.

But of course Kaasan if they had to THINK about teaching the kids then it wouldn’t be as EASY to earn their wages.

That is why they invited pills that can control the kids like little zombies…ne what are they call again. *snaps fingers* it starts with an r…ah that’s right Ritalin!

Putting my two cents in – It’s country first and if that means aligning at times with Republicans, then so be it.

I think partisan politics have to be put aside for the betterment of our beloved country.

During the 2008 Presidential Election, the Republicans have been astonishingly more fair-minded than the Democrats. It seems they’ve reversed roles.

I think we have to be more “fluid” to accomplish our goals. In our alliances as well as our actions. We have to open our minds to those with a shared goal and “seize the moment” wherever it appears.

jdona #43;
That link doesn’t work. It doesn’t look complete. Did you get the whole thing?

#93 Murphy:
I agree with your analysis. I don’t think this is a job just for PUMA members. It is a job for every American who values our one vote per person concept.

I think we will attract as many republicans as democrats. You would know this: Have the last few days and weeks attracted more of one group or the other?

Good government should not be confined to the auspices of one or the other of the parties, or to the parties at all, but is a gift the people give themselves, ourselves. What we do with our responsibility as citizens largely determines how well our nation serves us. We must remember this when we start to make these much needed reform efforts. Everyone should and must be a player in this drama.

I will call and talk to you about this matter Kaasan. It is a good idea and I might be able to do something with it.

Jdona;
Was it this one? http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2008/11/the-night-we-wa.html

MakowashiNatsuko : Hi, Hon. Does ‘Oyasumi” meen ‘good night’? and if so, how do u say hello and good morning?

NewOrleansPuma 11.09.08 at 2:41 pm

I guess that means we’ll be working together. Very good!

DancesWithPumas 11.09.08 at 2:40 pm

I would agree with how you define each group.

BillieJo #59

For several weeks now you have mentioned that you are not happy that Repubs are on the blog. You’ve claimed that Repubs are disruptive to the blog because of ideology, yet the majority of the drama that occurs here is between Democrats who have the same ideology. You are implying that the Repubs have an agenda here, yet the only people that I see complaining about the direction of the blog are Democrats. You are implying that Repubs blame and trash Hillary, yet the majority of the people that have trashed Hillary on this blog have been some of her biggest supporters. I’m not trying to upset you, this is just my observation.

Like I have stated before, I am not a PUMA, I am a PUMA ally. IMO, the real PUMAs here are those that supported Hillary in the primaries. If I can help PUMA with their goals, I will. I support Murphy because I believe in the goals that she has set forth for the group. These goals aren’t restricted to issues that just affect Democrats, they affect all of us. For the record, I will never attempt to impose my ‘eville’ Repub ideology on anyone here and I think most Repubs here have been very respectful to others when discussing various topics.

My 2 cents.

118 Heneri
#93 Murphy:
I agree with your analysis. I don’t think this is a job just for PUMA members. It is a job for every American who values our one vote per person concept.
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Republicans have had 8 years to create a movement, a fair elections / election reforms movement, after 5 republicans of the Supreme Court elected their dimwitted candidate as President, I haven’e seen their movement yet, have you?
They were presented another opportunity in the 2004 election… haven’t seen that movement yet either. Now that their white, hetero, christian, boy have lost an election… suddenly it matters to them.

Gimme a break.

CJ 11.09.08 at 2:46 pm

I just don’t think that drugging kids are the answer.

MakowashiNatsuko 11.09.08 at 2:51 pm

Oh! Thank you so much! I wonder if you will have time from your busy schedule to teach me more. How do I say ‘thank you’?

Obama’s accomplishment to the large mass of AA’s is a acknowlegement of how far AA’s have come since the days of slavery especially to the older AA’s whose parents/grandparents lived through those times. Because AA’s are truly and humbly proud of their ancestoral heritage would we want to drop the title that acknowledges our fore fathers. Are we ready to make that change to become known as Americans and lose something that we have identified with for years, not sure but maybe these are changing times. This post is not to discount any other cultural group and their heritage.

murphy, dunno if you got my email a few days ago, but I tried to come up with a solution to what BillieJo is saying. I think we might be seeing it from a different perspective. I wrote out 4 specific topics.

Ok, well, I will be back later on ya’ll, gotta go. Make sure to always check out these places:

No Quarter:
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/

The Real Barack Obama: http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/

Also, Ya gotta check out zomblog, just skim the whole page and scroll down: http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/ I dunno about you, but I am pretty tired of the communist style propaganda. lol.

Murphy, I wish I had all the answers to your questions as to how to do this. That is why I mentioned some sort of PUMA dialogue between many PUMA sites, bringing in many minds to work on the agenda.
I do realize that the Democratic PUMAS that know about the caucus fraud need media that will listen. I have listened to Hannity and Greta and yet they did not bring out the caucus fraud before the election. Maybe because there wasn’t enough proof with Lynette’s website (?) or maybe because they didn’t want to defend Hillary?
What is happening with the ACORN fraud in the General election?
I don’t think we can use that topic in the future without proof that it already happened.
How do we fight to repair our Democratic Party if we are not Democrats in principle at least?
Maybe we can set up one of your new threads (like you did for Tin Foil hats) to discuss the PUMA agenda, thoughts on how to take us forward as a combined group. Then invite other PUMAS to come in and talk about it. Or maybe have all of you big paws on a 2 hour radio show, to talk about it. You, Sheri, Will, Heidi, RD, etc.
If we wait too long to set a combined agenda, people will drift away. We have to do it soon when there is still a sting from this election.

MakowashiNatsuko:

*bows* Domo arigato, Hasu. Namaste~~~

It too often seems that the various parties only care about election fraud when it is committed by someone else….we care about election fraud committed by anyone…..that is the distinction.

DWP #134

FYI, I didn’t vote for President Bush. However, to call him “dim-witted” does not add substance to this discussion.

Hajimemashite= nice to meet you.

lol I know only a few basic words myself. Have been self taught and taught a bit by my japanese friend Chi and Yasuko-san.

murphy 11.09.08 at 3:02 pm
A suggestion:
Since we are the only big group~~~
Before people who go to the other blogs, become melancholic and complacent, I think we should continue to blog other blogs with information that pertains to the corruption and our discontent, especially as regards sexism and misogyny, making sure to always sign them with pumapac.org. In order to grow we have to maintain and increase interest.
I have no doubt BO will help is alot.

hi pumas ‘ just wanted to say hi and consider myself a puma no matter what anyone thinks ‘ i started this journey as a hillary supporter til the end ‘ well then things changed !
i beleive if hill really beleived what she told us about fighting no matter what she never would have bowed down
to that one ‘i truly beleived if she kept up her fight we would have been victorius she could have fought on and ran as indy as biden did ‘then if she failed so be it
but if she told the dnc (the ones that stabbed her in the back for bo) to fuck off she would be running in 2012
and yet now oblahboy has used her up and discarded her or so it seems ! so it is my opinion that pumas can and are repubs ‘dems ‘indys ‘liberatarians or any other freakin thing they choose to call themselves so long as they stand for us and against them ! how many of us are no longer dems does that mean we are no longer welcome ?
i think some people need to get over themselves and get on with whatever tasks murphy ‘mama or any one of our puma leaders suggest we partake in and if we disagree well then dont do it ‘after all isnt that the beauty of having the ability to choose ? well if bo has his way then this may not be the case for much longer . so whoever helps us get the job at hand done (whatever that may be at any particular time ) i welcome them with open arms
proud independant puma

MakowashiNatsuko Arigato. I love everything Japanese. Especially women and the geishas. The tea ceremonies, Haiku, origame Zen

BRB~~

mick
BillieJo #59
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I do agree that talking about certain issues that are more a Republican agenda, such as gun control has caused some irritation. I agree with Taggles above that having a clear cut agenda on what we are fighting for, that Dems and Repubs have in common could end this tail chasing and bickering.

billie Joe: The usurped Democratic Party won this election, by fraud, I believe but they are the regime now. This Pac is Democratic in principle…pre usurped Democratic Party who won the election.
We will not take back anything if we do not take back the country as this regime begins to dismantle it.
Thus, all of the people in this country who reject this regime are potential allies. And the methods will vary to reject this regime..even within the various other antiObama sites…Murphy has already announced an “alliance” with the New Agenda…This is a good alliance in my view. You will never get all of the antiObama Puma related sites to agree on a set of agendas..to pursue…they did not do that before this election..and we should not seek to do so…It is not going to happen. So what is the problem with pursuing what this Pac pursues in concert or not with anyone out there who rejects this regime and its intentions for this country.
The traditional Democratic Party does not exist at this time except in as Dances said..the Democratic principles that we and others espouse, but we are only 4 days out from the election…and the regime is moving quickly to implement.
I am ready and willing to take Murphy’s lead on whatever actions she imagines…That is what we have been about and what we should continue tobe about. If there are myriad suggestions here in this Pac for pursuit, what would it be if one tries to get major players. and I really do not need a radio discussion to lead me…I do not take the people you mentioned as any more suited to do so than Murphy. Murphy will lead and when I do not agree she will know it as will others. I do not require some mandate from various groups…that I did not work with in the first place. There is a reason why I chose to work here and that reason remains.
..the breadth and tolerance of issues engaged and the specificity with which that has taken place. That remains.
That is the nature of leadership. I trust that here. and the leader here who has pursued that direction. Group decisions are usually thin…and bog down before anything gets done.

indy #88;
“Stepford Democrats.” Priceless!
Let’s make that one viral — use it in all your emails, folks.

MakowashiNatsuko 11.09.08 at 2:53 pm

CJ 11.09.08 at 2:46 pm

I just don’t think that drugging kids are the answer.
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absolutely agree..sorry if I didn’t make that clear….the doctor did then as doctors do now…give drugs to kids. of course some are needed..but many are needless.
My story was of my intolerance at the time and how I couldn’t stand to see my kids sitting like zombies ..when I took the drug they became normal to me.
Anyway today my kids don’t take an asprin until the pain is unbearable……..they made it and I made it.

Cj,

Yes people think that medication is the answer. The biggest drug pushers in the world are the doctors and the school systems.

Murphy,

A friend of mine, a college professor, was a Democrat since he first voted. He supported Hillary in the primaries. In fact he helped her win in a county that was leaning toward Obama.

He was so disenchanted with the DNC that in July, he went with a group of other Hillary supporters (and long-time Democrats) to change his registration to Independent. These people had been democrats forever, a couple were in their 70s.

He told me as we were walking out of the election office that he never felt so liberated in his life. He said a weight was lifted off his shoulders. I went along for moral support (and to take their picture)

As an Independent, I usually lean center-left. Only once did I vote for a Republican President. Nixon. Because in 1968, he said he would end the war and bring the troops home. He didn’t do it until 5 years and a Democratic Congress later. I never again believed a politician during an election year (or other years for that matter). Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I always mix my ballot because I want them looking over each other’s shoulder. Absolute power corrupts.

I think being an Independent, I look at who shares my views on certain issues. For instance, gun control, and immigration I lean toward the Republicans. Tax cuts, it depends. Choice, minimum wage increase, health the Democrats. The Iraq war, mixed. Against the war but the surge worked. Train the Iraqi and Afghan soldiers and make an exit as safely & prudently as possible with a flexible timeline.

Being an Independent means I’m not beholding to any party, but if I chose to vote for one party I can. Plus during the primaries I tell them which ticket I want to vote on.

Cj,

People think that I am insane when I say that kind of thing…but it is true.

I am truly non partisan at this time, I will support any one who is for the people(ALL),the constitution and hopefully women. Who cares any more what party they belong to?

The dems have the really left wing radicals now and dont want or need us,the repubs have their totally right wing and really dont wants us as a whole,neither party wants a woman in the white house……..what I noticed from puma polls there seem to be a mix of folks here,so if we focus on the person and not the party it should work for most of us…

MURPHY-
the reason I am presenting the new phase of our fight as ex-partisan is because the Dem Party Leadership — the DONC — wants NOTHING to do with us, and WE dont want to have anything to do with the Republican party.

This is the same struggle I have been having. I can work with Republican’s to expose the corruption in the political process as long as I don’t work for or with the Republican agenda.

There are no other PUMAs to work with outside the pac? What does this mean. All the bloggers at Just Say No Deal, RD’s site, Will’s site, Diane’s site are just happy with BO and what happened? I doubt that and with an agenda here, why not invite them to join in our blog too, work together?

“There ARE NO OTHER big Puma groups out there.”

and relative to #167
Exactly…
so “where else are they going to go?”

Supporting a candidate like Sheila Blair for Treasury is not something a Democratic political activist group normally does.

Murphy
I thought PUMA was ex party. Meaning we have no party anymore. We are not of a Party any more. something like that. Nothing wrong with doing the right thing without regard to PARTY. In fact I think that is what PUMA is really all about. Doing the right thing without regard to party labels.

Murphy;
what are the priorities?
Defeating Obung-O?
Saving the country?
Cleansing the DNC?
Keeping the blog strong and pure?
Promoting traditional Democratic values?

Riding off madly in all directions may not work.
IMO, the situation is so dire that the first option should trump all for the foreseeable future (which isn’t all that long).

MakowashiNatsuko 11.09.08 at 3:12 pm
That’s very interesting. I hope you will share more mountanssong@gmail.com In what city is Little Tokyo? We have an International District in Seattle, wher I think is mostly Chinese and Japanese.

BillieJo 11.09.08 at 3:29 pm

“There are no other PUMAs to work with outside the pac? What does this mean. All the bloggers at Just Say No Deal, RD’s site, Will’s site, Diane’s site are just happy with BO and what happened? I doubt that and with an agenda here, why not invite them to join in our blog too, work together?”
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Personally, I’d rather attract/invite individual PUMAs from throughout the blogosphere than to extend blanket invitations to organizational entities. I think we’d waste countless days / weeks / months with power struggles and political shenanigans / maneuvering.

I perceive Murphy as the sole leader of this PAC, and I am loyal to her and to the PAC, but, not blindly so. I think we each understand that.

Common sense says get the best person for the job, whatever their political leanings. If there are two who would do an equaly good job but one has your same leanings, and one doesn’t, pick the one who doesn’t. That way you keep from getting stuck in one box, and you get a reputation as being not only fair, but someone who can be worked with.
Bill Clinton used to not only appoint people of different political stripes, but he would ask advice of both his people AND of outside people he knew disagreed with him. (Yet another reason I like him so much. )

mountainsong 11.09.08 at 3:37 pm

It is a burb of LA

I’m sorry if this has already been answered, but why are the PUMAS not joining in with other groups pushing for the Obama to release his birth certificate?

This is now before the SCOTUS, and some in the Electoral College are joining the suits.

#181CJ From your posts, I certainly conclude you belong here and will remain.

What a lot of good info today. I agree with mzbest that the Dem party is no longer what we think it is.

I also think we should not classify pumas as dances said-why alienate our own?

Michele in Pittsburgh 11.09.08 at 3:45 pm

I’m sorry if this has already been answered, but why are the PUMAS not joining in with other groups pushing for the Obama to release his birth certificate?

This is now before the SCOTUS, and some in the Electoral College are joining the suits.

It’s because, very quietly, the state of Hawaii verified the longform like a week and a half ago.

NewOrleansPuma
I rarely respond to rhetorical questions, but I will briefly. Yes, I understand that there are republicans who feel duped… disillusioned, etc. based on their president’s (who, btw the way, they elected TWICE!!!) policies.
My question, again, is … where is their movement? They’ve had 8 years, we’ve had a few months to organize. Where is their movement?

And, his failed policies fo not negate the basic platforms of the homopbobic, anti free speech, christian crusading planks of their platform.

AND check out these tidbits, which goes right along with the darts of “libtard”, ‘liberals supported pornography’,
the freshly minted:
““Stepford Democrats.” Priceless!
Let’s make that one viral — use it in all your emails, folks.”

Absolutely no acknowledgement / recognition that the PUMAS Movement, and this blog, was started, developed, and supported by liberals / Democrats.

DancesWithPumas I’m finding it just amazing how many people who were so adamant an vociferous in working agains BO’s election, are now just rolling over and say, “Oh, well, what can we do? Just go along to get along, I guess.”
What that portends is very disturbing to me. We could very well be under a completely totalitarian regime within a year, with no rights to redress whatsover.
When people become unwilling to fight for their freedoms, they have already lost them. Is there an obligation to the rest of us, to fight for the freedoms they so willingly divest of? Will our children and their children grow up to become citizens like in other dominated countries, like cuba, China, N Korea?

Has anyone here ever read a small book by Ayn Rand, entitled, “Anthem”? It seems like our country is rapidly becoming such a place as the two young lovers in that story.

Has anyone here ever read a small book by Ayn Rand, entitled, “Anthem”? It seems like our country is rapidly becoming such a place as the two young lovers in that story.
In that place, mirrors were against the law. To see oneself was to understand the differences between people and individualism and individual freedoms, such as falling or being in love were against the ‘Law’.

BarbNOBO 11.09.08 at 1:35 pm

We can’t forget that during the Clinton years the dot com industry boomed, aiding our economy. Then came NAFTA and many jobs were shipped overseas. The economy right now is something we have never seen before. We would need another boom of some kind to see what we saw in the 90’s.

Some may point out that NAFTA was passed under Bill; I’ve seen estimates that it lost the US 900,000 jobs, but no explanations asto how that figure was arrived at. Even accepting it, Bill created a net 22 million jobs. As Paul Krugman pointed out, goverment policy can create many more jobs than could ever be lost to outsourcing. Bill Clinton proved that, which is not surprising, since he was a Rhodes Scholar in Economics.

thank you NewOrleansPuma
We are just babies learning to walk.
And Murphy knows as we all do that we just had a big fall and the boo boo is still there.
We are all jamming our brains trying to figure out how to get back up …I’ll be patient

I saw a comment on a blog the other day. A new grassroots movement. How’s this for community organizing?

Locally, pool money together and offer HS kids prize money to write an essay on a Book – Something of political substance and critical thinking. 1984, Atlas Shrugged, Brave New World…(these are NOT required reading anymore) WHICH DOES NOT BACK EITHER PARTY, but clearly teaches independent thinking and the dangers of becoming a “sheeple”. He/she with the Best Essay gets the money, and you’ve got more kids who have become a little more politically aware.

Will it work? I dont know. I just know I am NOT going to give any more money to a government that does not espouse my FINANCIAL FREEDOMS or the FREEDOM of SPEECH OR DEMOCRACY. I know that our schools arent doing anything for our kids. I WANT MY MONEY TO HELP THEM, NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

I think we need to start there, to avoid future Obots – CONTAINMENT.

I am feeling really contrarian today. I’ve had it with the boys club and the boys game. They own the field, they own the equipment, they own the umpires, they interpret the rules. Given that we don’t even have a place at the table, what’s in it for us to recommend someone without fully researching them? What are we, the girls’ auxiliary?

And if yes, then who is our audience – the MSM who’s sole purpose is to soften us up for the plans of the Great Liar? Opine to Obama’s advisors, who won’t even honor the voice of the voters? No, this is the time of the two-faced Janus, god of transition from past to future, god of new beginnings. At this point I think that our outward facing action should be to expose His Liarship to the people, and our inward facing action is to consider our lessons learned, develop a strategy, and produce a plan that will develop our garden & grow our values.

Efff’um. I say the only energy they should have from us is the light we shine on their lies.

Murphy you still here…???

what about my suggestion of gaining more PUMAs and meeting face to face with meetup.com …make money for the group my selling hats, tees and trinkets.
What are the other groups doing that have gained millions?
Maybe we can copy kat a few.
?

Just saw two posts about Ayn Rand. Which is sort of strange because I have an interesting underground idea concerning Rand and her ideas–which is not necessarily puma connected.

MakowashiNatsuko 11.09.08 at 3:58 pm
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THAT’S IT!!! YOU SAID IT ALL.

I agree with BillieJo that tackling sexism (and gay right) issues will not be enough.

We did some polls right here on the blog recently, and It was quite clear what issues were most important to most Pumas.

The biggest pain for me as a PUMA was to witness how Obama, along with the MSM and DNC, able to steal this entire election, practically unchallenged, all the way from from Hillary to McCain by fraud, lies, racism, sexism and intimidation. There was never any real fairness in the whole process.

If I have to rank who did the most damage to democracy, I would have to vote for the MSM, because without them, Obama would not have won.

I think we have to focus on exposing all the fraud and lies, and hold Obama, MSM and the DNC accountable. We still do not know if Obama is eligible for the presidency for God’s sake.

I understand this is a very tall order, yet Watergate brought down Nixon, who knows what Pumas can do.

I think we can work out the how and what if we can unite among ourselves.

Like Murphy said: we are it, folks.

#202Dances: Hey, I have been saying that for years since Georgie Poorgie stole the election. Maybe they are slow!!!!!!
but slow or not, I would welcome any one of them who finally got it together and came here or started something of their own. And, I certainl am not bashful about disagreeing with anything that might be said when they may come here.
Lots of Americans have been blind for quite a while…I happen not to be one of them and at this time I can tell you I am not happy that I have been correct. I have been and remain . .heartbroken to see my country in the condition it has been in.. under Bush, and then seeing my Party’s response to that by now being in the hands of radical, lieing radical no count socialists or worse , and now seeing what I believe to be the demise of my country, unless we and others fight continue to fight back in whatever ways seem appropriate and pragmatic. I am heartbroken to the soul and because I am, I will work with any living breathing person to slow down, stop, and/or in any way diminish the repercussions of this election. So there you are, my friend!

NewOrleansPuma
I understand your position, but for me, they are my enemies. They have supported a party that has assaulted me in almost every way possible. So, you’ll just have to accept that that is where i stand.

Good Afternoon Pumas!!!
Just thought I would add my two cents to the debate and I offer the following:

NEW NAME: INDEPENDENT PUMAS
Pumas should move forward with a definite agenda and they should alter their name, for clearer identification for new comers and visitors.

A positive name change could be: “Independent Pumas”,

And Independent Pumas, should be know as an organization that is Independent, from the Democratic Party and the Republican
Party with a platform for
some of it objectives.
Independent Pumas believe in Country before Party
Independent Pumas vote only for leaders who have been properly vetted.
Independent Pumas vote for a leader that governs ‘for the people, by the people rule’
Independent Pumas members come from all walks of life and each is expected to contribute to the best of their ability/talents
Independent Pumas collectively decide on a candidate(majority vote rules of course) and then commit themselves to support and work for that future leader. Etc. etc. etc……

dances this is what i just got
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Hi Kat I posted them. Let’s hear your ideas.

Yayyyy!!! Today makes a whole week without TV’s MSM. It’s so nice not to see his pic or hear his voice droning on every minute. I watched one sho Wed nite, but othjer than that, nada.

Your northern neighbor 11.09.08 at 4:00 pm
We did some polls right here on the blog recently, and It was quite clear what issues were most important to most Pumas.
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No, actually it wasn’t.
The responses shopuld have been weighted differently since the majority on the blog during that poll were fauxPumas. The results may have been different had the Pumas who were waiting for Nov 5 and a blog “refresh” had been here to vote. imo

kat in your hat 11.09.08 at 3:55 pm

You know, that reminds me of that blog talk radio show I heard of the guy saying he was out in Denver, and learned that there were other pumas and Just Say No Deal, and he was really surprised.

That REALLY bothered me.
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I agree, I don’t think of myself as a PUMA pac PUMA, but as a PUMA.
I don’t understand the comment that there could be infighting if blogs worked together, or any need to fight for loyality to one over another. As much as I adore you Murphy, which I do, I would not be a PUMA if the input of all the other PUMAs was not there. I backed Heidi and her videos, getting them on tv, backed other PUMA sites too. They are friends, so what is the big deal of all working together?

MakowashiNatsuko 11.09.08 at 4:00 pm

Lol, well I guess there is the bright side to that ne?

Yeah, and since she’s a Republican, she doesn’t expect much from anyone else, so…;)

#221

FINGER PRINT IDENTITY

Never mind John Galt!!! Who the HELL is Barack Hussein (Obama)??????????

kat in your hat 11.09.08 at 4:09 pm

If all the puma forces are not harnessed, it will be a tactical blunder of huge proportions. There was/ is an opportunity to make a powerful core action network, with four top specific categories–not disorganized general feelings about certain issues. There’s a chance to expand and stay very strong, or choose to get real small and shed others for no apparent reason except the obvious ones that come to mind.
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Once again, I agree completely.

mountainsong – NO CHIT.

MLK – said “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

This is the EXACT opposite of what King taught!!! He WAS elected for the color of his skin. Period.

Im so fighting mad.

lilibet 11.09.08 at 4:00 pm

On the notion of a National Identity card with a photo. Every time the idea comes up it is “slammed” down. Some cite privacy rights. I, myself, don’t see it as an invasion of privacy, but as a protection from all types of fraud. My friend in France has had such a card for as long as I have known her, 35 years. I would guess that the French have more privacy protection than we have, or probably will have under a new administration.

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Some cite privacy rights. I, myself, don’t see it as an invasion of privacy, but as a protection from all types of fraud. ?????

Lilibet I am with you, beside how could it be an “invasion of privacy” when your picture and other info is already on your drivers licence…

Just think of the money the government would save if a Voter ID was issued and was good for 8 years which would cover two General elections.
That card would also be valid for city elections,state elections primaries and the general elections.
If you move it is your responsibility, as a good citizen to go and get a renewed Voters ID card. It can be called your VID…

#213SunnySantaFe: I agree with this exception: We need to continue to educate all AMERICANS “that by voting straight party without understanding who the candidate is could come back to bite them in the backside” I think this regime will do that in a chilling way, but we need to stand and act against this regime in any way that is pragmatic and effective. We will. And I hope you are here and remain here for that ride.

Your northern neighbor 11.09.08 at 4:00 pm
We did some polls right here on the blog recently, and It was quite clear what issues were most important to most Pumas.
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There were most of the original PUMAs on at that time and the leading vote by far was to expose the voting fraud.

Murphy,

I see our priorities as:

1) Obadminatration Watch – Exchange of information on the blog and a home for alternative news. That would be basic function of the blog.

2) Undermine the Cult of Personality through very specific and sometimes stealth actions – AKA have members on specific blogs targeting certain people and or actions at specific times. This would be an ongoing committment for those involved. I would think undermining the credibility of certain media personalities vis a vis the blogs would be a place to start.

3) Support the New Agenda in terms of eradication of sexism and getting women into office. The group looks like the makings of a strong organization with the prinicipals having a good relationship with the press. I say let them take the lead and we as an organization support their initiatives.

4) Abolish the caucus system and work toward election reform. That means working within the party. As you said it Murphy, if the process if trampled upon then no one is safe. Free and fair elections are a cornerstone of our democracy. If we aren’t working to save our democratic process, then I don’t know why we are here.

So, those are the four wall of Puma Palace in my mind. As far as working with Republicans, I think we are cutting our nose to spite our face, if don’t let the issues lead us. The old world of Democrat vs Republican is gone…it’s an archaic concept. Clinging to past definitions…or the past at all will not serve us. We need to determine what we are willing to put ourselved behind moving forward and then get stealth about it.

But 2-3 million of us weren’t enought to hold back the new voter tsunami

I find the above statement interesting and something I think that should be looked into. If you remember there was a fellow who took time off from his regular job to do all the calculations for the voting nos. I can’t remember his name but what I do remember he said that if 1.9 or more of us voted, that the outcome would be for mccain. no problem. I did mention on one of my posts. remember that’s 1/18 of us hillary voters so I figured with those that would go for mccain and all we needed was 1.9 or 1/18th of our total hillary voters to win.

Reading your article further, there was what 60% who voted which was about the same as 2004 anyways…

My point being that how do we know for sure that the total of all the votes for mccain and for obama is correct. We got the results from CNN or ABC of NBC on the nite of November 4th. Seeing the media, as we know, has been paid off to get obama in, how do we know that the count was honest and how do we know for sure that what they told us was really the TRUE count? Does anyone want to or knows how to find out this information???

Voter Fraud Well, here I go!! I didn’t know this was a partisan issue! It was up to the individual states to make sure our voting system was repaired and improved. Now, some states were led by Dems and others by Repubs – it is ALL THEIR FAULTS for having systems that still allow Voter Fraud to happen.

I also feel the Caucus is outdated and attracts more fraud! This is a Dem practice – not Repub. I’m in Texas and sure don’t think we need it!

Now, I came to this site as a guest because I didn’t feel I had a party. PUMAs gave me a home! Yes, I’m an Independent too – that doesn’t make me bad – it is kinda lonely not being affiliated with one or the other political parties. It certainly doesn’t garner any special treatment from anyone either!

Murphy allows all us Freedom of Speech, but you need to use it wisely! Respect her and the ones that started this P.U.M.A. PAC!!

Thank you!!

MakowashiNatsuko 11.09.08 at 4:15 pm

I’ve been to serious and sour lately.

Have you been raiding Michelle Obama’s supply of lemons again?

MKfromLA 11.09.08 at 4:16 pm

What do we want to preserve? Democracy & the constitution.
Focus, focus, focus.
What one failure of process can we focus on?

…………
do all PUMAs need to focus on 1 issue when there are so many. Group off, still as one group, but forging ahead for many issues to be resolved under the umbrella PUMA.
NO Parties. I like John Mccain’s montra… Country First.
so let’s aim for that.

NewOrelansPuma…I agree.. the main objective now, IMHO, is to take down this regime that no longer resembles and never will resemble that which it once was. On paper the Dems “platform” is there but their “principles” were so absolutely NOT applied in this campaign. Didn’t walk the talk…and I haven’t seen one sign so far that it will change.
They have succeeded in deluding the masses and they will continue to do so. They will be consumed with their own rise to power and throw us all a bone via a stimulus check every so often. They have not shown concern about media bias, misogyny, sexism, caucus fraud, voter registration fraud, overtaxing, balancing the budget…to name a few issues that are important to me. And tell me how can they now say they are the party of “women’s rights” when they have allowed all this misogyny to dominate their actions??? To me they are a totally different entity than what I have always thought and voted for. I don’t even recognize this Dem party.

So for me, it’s onward to the mission of NOBO NEXT TIME and given that, I can work with ANYBODY who has at least that ONE THING on their agenda. Heck, I’d vote for a Palin/Jindal ticket in 4 years if it meant noBO would be limited to one term. Have been contemplating trying to enlighten the Rebublicans to upgrade their platform by writing my opinions of what direction they need to move to in order to take down this regime. Thinking of writing a very long letter to Palin
because I feel that she is honest and a servant leader. I think Hillary is too and that is why she got thrown under the bus.

Am leaning toward just letting Nobo do his natural selection of whomever…and letting him make his won mistakes. Certainly we can be paying attention to EVERY action or inaction for future talking points. My feeling is that if we PUMAS start trying to influence his cabinent picks…and he does listen and complies…then he can blame us for any mistakes made.

a few more post lol

SergeiRostov 11.09.08 at 4:20 pm

No, I have been doing to much school work, been over worked, and have a bad taste in my mouth due to this election.

goandersen 11.09.08 at 4:18 pm

what is a fauxPuma?

It means a fake Puma someone who is not genuine.

Hi Lilibet

; – )

TerryDo

Oh great, more name calling.

And you have remember the military vote was not included on november 4th because Virginia sent the ballots out to them too late. That is another whole group that was not included. And further to explain that 60% is including all those supposedly new voter registrations false or not (dead people etc.) and the voter fraud that went on but the turnout was was about the same as 2004 (60%)????

If you ask me there’s something stinks in Denmark and its not the cheese.

I really think that this should be looked into further.

#266zephr: He will not listen to us about anything. We are speaking to and for the American people, thus we will prowl him and everyone about his picks and actions…And frankly I do not think a future ticket would be Palin/Jindal but Jindal and whomever…Jindal…I can not even get started with him.
No, I do not support him…no…I satirized him last year in my Mardi Gras costume…Hari Bobby, Hari Bobby..yes..kind of a Yuppie, Hari Krishna, outfit…
But I get and understand your post and I think your thoughts appropriate here.

BBL

SergeiRostov 11.09.08 at 3:55 pm

BarbNOBO 11.09.08 at 1:35 pm
We can’t forget that during the Clinton years the dot com industry boomed, aiding our economy. Then came NAFTA and many jobs were shipped overseas. The economy right now is something we have never seen before. We would need another boom of some kind to see what we saw in the 90’s.
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Some may point out that NAFTA was passed under Bill; I’ve seen estimates that it lost the US 900,000 jobs, but no explanations asto how that figure was arrived at. Even accepting it, Bill created a net 22 million jobs.

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Iirc, the dot com boom caem well AFTER Bill had begun improving the economy with his budget passed during the first two years, with a Dem Congress.

IIrc the key was doing soem juggling to pay down the National Debt — which Summers was involved in.
I’ll look for a cite.

Here’s a graph that shows the economy improving as SOON as Clinton got in.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2254/1713743698_2e51b3b1c6_o.gif

Topic ideas for specific goals and actions: (I think this should be nonpartisan, so that conservatives and liberals can BOTH feel excited about these goals, and we can all work together.) We need to keep it specific and not all over the place. Even if we just had a few goals, there are tons of sub-groups for each. There are already tons of political organizations–so we need to be unique to puma’s concerns.

1. Media:
sexism in the media; the very liberal bias and far left agenda; the media’s practice of protecting and promoting Obama while never vetting him. This is very dangerous because I am already predicting a very secret and media protected presidency for Obama. I also think dissenting voices in the media are in jeopardy, particularly conservative. We cannot allow the “fairness doctrine” to squelch views and voices of those who oppose the far left media. (MANY “actions” can be taken against the media, and also to produce our own media.)

2. Political Reform:
Election Reform/ Party Reform–this can include the DNC, superdelegates, caucuses, and we can expose the problems, and work to change them, etc, and watchdogging both the democratic party and the republican party. (Again, MANY “actions” can be taken here. We would also pay attention to presidential plans and congressional movements with bills, etc)

3. Women:
BUT, nonpartisan. We already have NOW, etc. “The New Agenda” has the right idea–working on women moving up in power and government without gettign stuck on far left ideology. Just women. Period. And again–sexism in the media, etc.

4. President Watch:
Keep track of what this “change” is, info-sharing about Obama, and continuing to investigate Obama, and bring out the truth….this was/is popular for many pumas, and it is one of the big uniting factors.

(Plus more, but I realize these are the top puma passions.)

goandersen 11.09.08 at 4:26 pm

Oh great, more name calling.

Lots of Obama trolls did hit the PUMA sites on Nov. 4-5th; over at the Confluence I bashed a few of them around until the moderators told to stop quoting them.

SunnySantaFe 11.09.08 at 3:55 pm

“With regards to the Democratic Party, I think this is the concern: John Podesto, co-chair of the Obama-Biden transition team, said on Fox News Sunday that the election proved that the country is moving in the PROGRESSIVE direction and – forgive me I am paraphrasing here – he said that the Obama administration will move in that direction. Traditional Democrats are not progressives nor are traditional Republicans right wingers. And as others have said today, there is more that unites those of us that are in the middle and those things should be what drives us to reach out to all political parties to get the reform that will make regular folks feel as if they have a say in their government.”

This new Administration WISHES that the majority of the country are for Progressive ideas. Obama did not get a mandate. With all the voter fraud and voter intimidation that took place, I would not doubt that McCain actually won or that he was very, very close to winning. THIS new Administration WANTS Progressive ideas, so they are going to try and make it look like the American people wants it as well. If they take this direction, it is not going to go over well. Only 22% of the voters said they were liberal. I was surprised at that, but that is what the post-election results said. Not that there is anything wrong with being liberal. I consider myself a moderate liberal. The point I am trying to make is that the Progressive support would come from the liberal voters, and if only 22% were liberal, then that is no way near the majority that would support this radical movement. Not all liberals are Progressives either, so that means the support may even be lower. Just my 2 cents.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
—Sir Edmund Burke

kat: I like your ideas.

I like the idea of being non-partisan.

Knowing that 20% of Republicans stayed home that would normally have voted, I blame those 20% for the mess we are in. Not the Republican PUMA allies.

ladyhawkke: Would you by any chance be able to post what we can do to help with the Supreme Court birth certificate case? To help make sure that it gets heard and gets media attention? No matter what the Hawaii officials said, there is still the Indonesia issue to deal with.

TerryDo: The way to do that is to return to the system that has been used in this country for years and years. Appear at the Registrar’s office with appropriate certifying materials regarding place of residence and register. You can take a picture of me there if you like and link it to the local and state voter registries, but do not depend on a driver’s license.. And, get rid of all of these so called easy ways to vote…they have totally undermined any control of certified voters. This election proved that. If one wants to use a driver’s license..and who will after Obingo gives licenses to illegal aliens…what then?

I agree with Kat. We need to select the main topics that represent Pumas concerns and stay focused on those. I think the 4 listed pretty much sum it up.

pa dem
Knowing that 20% of Republicans stayed home that would normally have voted, I blame those 20% for the mess we are in. Not the Republican PUMA allies.
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Is this true??????????
PUMAs worked their buns off to defeat BO and 20 of the Repubs stayed home and didn’t freaking vote?????????

WTF!

I also think we need to reach out to everyone who shares our concerns and views, Dems, Repubs, Indys and recruit new Pumas to share ideas and work groups.

PLEASE WATCH VIDEO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmRbum9×0nU

While America struggles with the sub-prime and credit market crisis, Shariah Islamic Finance, also known as Shariah-Compliant Finance, is quickly infiltrating our financial markets – and bringing Islamic shariah law with it. As one leading Islamic authority on Shariah-Compliant Finance has stated, it is “jihad with money.” In a new ACT! for America video, Joy Brighton, ACT! for America’s financial expert on Shariah- Compliant Finance, warns America of this chilling threat.

#294Padem: Is that in fact the actual number who stayed home?
That is a frickin outrage…an outrage for any group or party to sit on their a@@ and not vote. Well, when the people do not exercise their rights, others do it for them or take those rights away. …no matter the party..We have the results of that axiom in the person of Ofraudma. Do you know if there is a number re Democrats or Independents did the same?

Ex-DemInVA 11.09.08 at 4:35 pm
new Administration WISHES that the majority of the country are for Progressive ideas. Obama did not get a mandate. With all the voter fraud and voter intimidation that took place, I would not doubt that McCain actually won or that he was very, very close to winning. THIS new Administration WANTS Progressive ideas, so they are going to try and make it look like the American people wants it as well. If they take this direction, it is not going to go over well. Only 22% of the voters said they were liberal. I was surprised at that, but that is what the post-election results said. Not that there is anything wrong with being liberal. I consider myself a moderate liberal. The point I am trying to make is that the Progressive support would come from the liberal voters, and if only 22% were liberal, then that is no way near the majority that would support this radical movement. Not all liberals are Progressives either, so that means the support may even be lower. Just my 2 cents.

I believe you are right here; for example, most people would say, “hey it would be nice if everybody made the same amount of money and had the same amount of stuff ” but they also know that regulated capitalism works a *lot* better than Marxism.

feebie: I tried the link ..it just got me to the general you tube page and I do not know what video to ask for. Can you help here?

Absolutely.

http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/home/18-headline-item/518-shariah-compliant-finance-jihad-with-money

if not, go to http://www.ActforAmerica.org

We need to support this lady. If what she says is true, this could be really grave…

Please watch and let me know what you guys think…

utahpuma 11.09.08 at 4:47 pm

“I also think we need to reach out to everyone who shares our concerns and views, Dems, Repubs, Indys and recruit new Pumas to share ideas and work groups.”

Agree! Ditto!

65 million people supported obama,58 million supported mccain,if you add that together you get 123 million..in 2004 120 million voted…….so what won bozo the election was ACORN.

SergeiRostov 11.09.08 at 4:55 pm

Ex-DemInVA 11.09.08 at 4:43 pm

I took out my old Sociology textbook to look up Marx and socialism to refresh my memory on the more specific details. Good grief. Hang on to your hats people, because the Obama Administration is heading in this direction for sure. Everything that McCain/Palin, Arnold, and “Joe the Plumber” brought out is said in the textbook about Marx and socialism.

“As I pointed out upthread re the bailout bill, throw money at Obama and he gives up his socialism for corporatism REAL FAST.”

Either way, we’re screwed!

tennaseepuma 11.09.08 at 4:55 pm

65 million people supported obama,58 million supported mccain,if you add that together you get 123 million..in 2004 120 million voted…….so what won bozo the election was ACORN.

Yes, because thousands upon thousands voted many, many times in many states. I would love to know how many voters in the Philadelphia area voted more than one time. The man on the CNN interview bragged that he voted four times. How many others were just like him? I don’t believe that 65 million people is the “real” number. I think that number is inflated from ACORN. If you add 58 million with the approximately 10 million that did not vote from 2004, you get about 68 million people that do not support Bozo.

ok, I must climb out of lurker mode for a bit here,,, if puma is actually going to list it’s goals….I respectably request that the fight for basic human rights be one of them. I semi behaved myself before the election (because of the huge number of Repub’s on the blog at the time)….I knew that the fight for human rights was one that would cause blog discourse…….no more….. I regret that decision, I wish I would have made the case for and pleaded for the support of other pumas and pino to vote for the 4 human rights issues that were on the ballot’s across the states…I didn’t …I should have…I choose instead to give my money to human rights issues and my time and energy to puma efforts…I should have never kept them seperate…and I will not make that mistake again for the sake of keeping everyone comfortable in the blog…If that is going to be a problem ..someone needs to tell me now…..

just on greta blog…bloggers talking about Obama to use excutive powers to ban off shore drilling….true? Not?
I won’t turn on the news.

#312feebie: Excuse my language: Holy S…t! This is beyond beyond…

MURPHY, MURPHY..MURPHY…Please go to this link, listen tothe tape, and call this woman up.

This certainly fits with my thoughts about the 1% money people…..Murphy and ALL HERE, PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO..

Good Evening PUMAS!

a very long but WORTHWILE read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

fight for each cause as it occurs.

Obama is beginning his reign of terror on us..if it’s true we must be diligent and work fast…
Once we are destroyed from within I don’t know how we get out…

********** ATTENTION ************

Please read and circulate this letter:

Open letter to Barack Obama

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/Obama-USA-TODAY-ad.htm

Please read and distribute widely.

NewOrleansPuma 11.09.08 at 5:07 pm

wheeerre’s the video

Hello everyone! Been lurking alot lately, but trying to keep up with the blog every few days. Getting ready for the wedding is hard work… plus trying to do the therapy for my knees…

Also, in response to ClintonDem, POST #200, we should be getting the names of the electors from all of the states so they can join in the lawsuits. Do you know the names of the electors who are doing that?

Also, where is the link that HI verified the long form of the BC last week. When I called the Governor’s office, they said it was not under seal and that it would be treated like other BC’s regarding privacy issues. So are you saying, the VAULT certificate was verified? So what good does that do us, we still don’t know where he was born.

Media: Sexism Alert

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80209

Magazine cover: Obama vampire nails sexy Palin
‘If you think this is funny, you have a warped mind, you’re racist and sexist’

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Posted: November 05, 2008
10:55 pm Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

The Halloween issue of a New York news magazine is raising some eyebrows as its cover depicts a smiling Barack Obama as a vampire carrying a scantily clad Sarah Palin who has been pierced with a spike through her heart.

The image also displays a giant cross emanating from the wound in “Palin’s” chest.

Murphy and others…In addition to what you said, this is how I see it.
The women of the world is what molds children into adults. Productive, honest adults with integrity etc. Decent people. We have that capability. And that is what we should continue to do.

If we are to go forward as a nation we need to bring that back into society, we need those values to come back to make us strong. They say that if america falls it will be from within.

As far as Obama, we need to deal with him. He does not deserve to be President. We need to find that info, no what it it is, that will do that. Rather than buying more guns, which I understand a lot were bought before the election. I’ll be damned if I am going to let this man get everyone riled up and we have a rebellion in this country. It will make things worse.

I know I spoke of revolution but that is not the way to go.
In essence, what Obama did is throw it in our face that because of our society has been going down hill and men have become less honest, greedy, and integrity can be bought for whatever amount of money it takes, that is what Obama did and it worked. And that makes me furious. That tells me he has no respect for Americans or America.
He thinks we are a bunch of shallow idiots and it worked.

We need to prove to him that he is wrong. Yes I believe that 20 million and more of most americans are decent people. They are kind and they will help their neighbor and people overseas and we have to convey to the politicians that they need to step up to the plate and fly right. We won’t stand for all of their dishonest behaviors. They raped this country with a $700 billion bailout. What a joke. Yeah the joke is on us. Thousands of ordinary americans lost their retirement money because of their scannigans. I see that Dean is vying for a place in Obama’s Administration. Politicians, they are blinded by power and money, lots of money and they have screwed the american people. We should kick all of them out, all of them and start over.
Ms. Boxer my senator for example is worth $84 million dollars. Where did she and how did she get all that money. And look at the Clinton’s there worth $100 million. They are just as bad if not worse than the rest of them.

#339pAdEM: We live in a degenerate culture. This is horrific.
Well now..here is the media and mysogyny and God knows what else…Prowl time, Murphy?

bmw60 11.09.08 at 5:09 pm…Great letter but I wonder if they are going to publish it. When you go to how much money has been donated so far it says $5155 and that number hasn’t changed for at least a week.

feebie 11.09.08 at 4:52 pm

NOP – every Republican I know voted. And it was NOT for Obama. I think the FAR right was pissed that McCain was too much of a centrist.

It was an AWFUL gamble. Im pissed at them, Big Time.
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Does anyone know any far right winged places on the net we can find out if they voted or not?
I talked to some Nevada Repubs when we were prowling there late in Oct, and they said many conservatives didn’t like Palin because she is a woman.
We need to find out what really happened in this election, real numbers of who voted and for what candidate, how much ACORN votes were found…etc.

feebie#235 – Don’t you have to be dead to have a national holiday named for you? Then there’s that goofball in the islands who wants to rename a mountain after the guy. He hasn’t DONE anything yet except “win” the election. He’s not even sworn in! He’s a “first.” He’s broken a racial ceiling, and while that’s huge–it’s not enough to get printed on the dollar bill or stamped on a coin. Now he has to do something more remarkable, and on his own. The fence-post turtle holders will get weary.
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As for our freedoms being taken away from us???? I have not forgotten where I live. This is America. I know my country. They won’t stand for it.

#340BillieJoe: I so agree that an analysis of these kinds of numbers is necessary. Where can we get them?

feebie # “The NEW democratic party KNOWS they have the black vote, and I am sad to say…improvements cannot be seen in my minds eye. They look more exploited than anything.”
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Okay–that’s a given. But the African American population in the USA (being somewhere between 13%-20% of the general population) cannot sustain a greedy Democratic Party. The Hispanic population is increasing in leaps and bounds, surpassing the Census predictions. For the Democratic Party to continue to be successful, it will have to broaden its net. Women will have to feel at home there, but not doing household chores. This party will crumble if it relies on the same demographic groups for power placement. (At least that’s my 2 cents and hope.)

ladyhawkke
same-sex marriage is a equal-rights trojan horse. It must be stopped.
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

Why Gay Marriage Bans Succeeded and Republicans Lost
Like the ERA, same-sex marriage is a equal-rights trojan horse. It must be stopped. The greatest socioeconomic problems are still caused by the feminist-inspired divorce revolution. The immediate and downstream costs to women, children, men, and the taxpayer are horrendous. We see them reflected every day in the media .. the plight of dissatisfied heroic single mothers; children abused or neglected, children in trouble, and “deadbeat dads” whose crime is often that they, too, are poor or underemployed……..
http://www.newswithviews.com/Usher/david81.htm
By David Usher

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same-sex marriage is a equal-rights trojan horse. It must be stopped.

This is exactly what I mean here. I believe in basic human rights. But I VERY RESPECFULLY REQUEST RESEARCH ON THIS SUBJECT. This could very well be a trojan horse. This could destroy us financially, religiously and our family units (this is what “segregation did to Blacks in the South) and if it is done by the Isamist Fascist…who do you believe will be the first to go?

Do you see what happens in Iran to Homosexuals? Its HORRIFYING!!!!!

I believe in human rights for everyone…but I MUST question everything and the socioeconomic and political impacts of such movements. Does it do more harm than good? Gays may be being exploited as “Useful Idiots” (meant in the political sense, please, i dont believe they are Idiots) to a truly sinister cause.

We live in a time, where unfortunately, we must question the impact of everything. I am no fan of institutionalized religion…but we MUST be DILLIGENT AND SMART about approching these things.

What is Islams greatest threat? FREEDOM. Does FREEDOM to practice religion and Christianity constitute a threat?

With lawsuits coming in against Institutionalized religion NOT recognizing marriage destroy Religions and cause financial chaos?

Please, I am just asking questions? If I am wrong, or you feel it is in error, I REALLY want to understand more about your thoughts.

Respectfully,

Feebz

I just sent that Shariah Finance Jihad to all the media. When my son told me he was either moving to London or Sydney, I said don’t go to London, too many Muslims and Shariah law. Now here. Absolutely outrageous. I didn’t see a petition specifically against the finance part but I signed the other petitions.

BBL evryone.

361Ladyhawke: Thank you, ladyhawke…how quick you always are!

Pehaps evryone with investments here can also send this Shariah video to their investment traders and or contacts and ask specifically where your money really is and whether it is in these kinds of investments…Ms. Brighton;s tape listed quite a number of firms doing it.

Linn4Hill “The Hispanic population is increasing in leaps and bounds, surpassing the Census predictions.”

Yes, and they are taking jobs from AMERICANS (including blacks) Its worrisome. Illegals are making upwards of $23 an hour to build houses and jobs “americans just won’t do” or taking nursing jobs and being accepted into unions etc. They are taking jobs away from the blue collar community, and more importantly jobs held by many AA’s. They are an impedement to AA’s ability to have more jobs available to them.

It makes me angry.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Usher/david81.htm
is basically saying that if women and gays would just “stay in their places” everything would be fine…is that something that pumas believe in??????

“The greatest socioeconomic problems are still caused by the feminist-inspired divorce revolution.”

They must mean feminists who fought for equal rights/wages/and opportunities for women, which resulted in women having the opportunities to provide for themselves and no longer had to tolerate living with losers. It used to be that a divorce was one step away from being impoverished.

feebie 11.09.08 at 5:42 pm

………..
that is a major problem with Americans as we lived the hi life and won’t settle….things are going to change fast…

Just got a bunch of responses to my e-mail to the media on the Shariah Finance, one of those being Lou Dobbs. If anyone has time tomorrow to call into his radio show, be my guest:

Thanks for your email. You make a great point, and we’d like to bring it up on the air during the show. So please give us a call at 1-877-553-6227 between 3 PM and 5 PM (Eastern Time) and let’s talk about it.

Most of all, thanks for listening, and for being part of the Independent Nation.

All the best,

Lou Dobbs and the staff of The Lou Dobbs Show

ok 1.3% is the difference between the turnouts for both parties. can you tell me what number of people 1.3% is?

the hillary group which would make up the difference either way..
is what 2.9 million i think murphy said. that should have been more than enough to sway the vote to mccain. That is what needs to be looked into….

pa dem 11.09.08 at 5:37 pm

feebie: the argument isn’t against religions recognizing or not recognizing anything. The argument is that we should pay lower taxes if we are going to be treated like second class citizens.

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no the argument is that I am an american citizen and I will NOT be treated like a second class citizen …I will not be happy with the fact that being gay is the last accepatable class of citizens that it is ok to discrimanate against…I deserve the same right and probligies that other americans take for granted

yeah but are they us citizens? ) don’t get me started.

invalidresponse,

I agree. I agree completely.

If someone has a later press release, please post it, but this is the last thing I saw at the HI Dept of Health
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) 586-4410
Fax: (808) 586-4444
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
###
For more information, contact:
Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Phone: (808) 586-4442

Obama will abuse even more than Bush the Executive Order: what they learned they will do more of and way more then.

Emmanuel will not commit to helping Auto Industry. He probably would not mind if they also were bought out by foreign interests or by more private hedge funds as Chrysler was where nobody knows who owns anything.

The country is the Monopoly Board writ large in reality.
Watch the money, who supports what, who supported what and you will know who is running what. This Sharii Finace move is absolutely the worse thing I have seen in a long time.
This is very very bad.

NOP – Agreed.

http://www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1143998965&cid=4

Palin blamed for Obama attacks

Updated 3 hr(s) 24 min(s) ago
The US Secret Service has blamed Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin for the death threats against president-elect Barack Obama.

According to the agents, Palin’s repeated questioning of Obama’s patriotism sparked off the death threats from white supremacists.

I just e-mailed everyone who has a lawsuit filed against Obama and asked if they were still pending. I know Berg’s and Andy’s is, I think Dave Archbold’s was dismissed, not sure. Am waiting to hear from the others.

pa dem 11.09.08 at 6:00 pm
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What a joke. The US Secret Service should have been reading our blog along with all the others. Some of us (myself included) have questioned how he really feels about this country long before Palin popped up.

#396 On the Rocks, I am against the bailout UNLESS the car manufacturers immediately agree to raise the fuel economy standards to 30 MPG immediately, not 2030. We always give them what they want but get nothing in return. If they won’t do it, I’m with Andy Martin, I think they should file bankruptcy and go into Chapter 11. No one bailed out EAL and my husband was out of a job.

what ISN’T Sarah Palin’s fault? This election just shows women have not advanced MUCH in this country, in fact it seems like we have been pushed back…AGAIN!

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/post_obama_bias_media/2008/11/09/149343.html

Washington Post Admits Bias for Obama, Against McCain, Palin

In an article headlined “An Obama Tilt in Campaign Coverage,” Post ombudsman Deborah Howell writes that Post readers “have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama.”

Howell studied the paper’s coverage of the campaigns beginning in November 2007 — about a year before Election Day.

She found rampant evidence of a pro-Obama bias.

“The op-ed page ran far more laudatory opinion pieces on Obama, 32, than on Sen. John McCain, 13. There were far more negative pieces (58) about McCain than there were about Obama (32), and Obama got the editorial board’s endorsement. The Post has several conservative columnists, but not all were gung-ho about McCain.

And the Post’s bias didn’t stop with McCain. Howell also admits the Post was out to get Sarah Palin.

“One gaping hole in coverage involved Joe Biden, Obama’s running mate. When Gov. Sarah Palin was nominated for vice president, reporters were booking the next flight to Alaska. Some readers thought the Post went over Palin with a fine-tooth comb and neglected Biden. They are right; it was a serious omission.”

As for the man we just elected our next president, Howell thinks “Obama deserved tougher scrutiny than he got, especially of his undergraduate years, his start in Chicago and his relationship with Antoin ‘Tony’ Rezko, who was convicted this year of influence-peddling in Chicago. The Post did nothing on Obama’s acknowledged drug use as a teenager.”

Question: What do you think the Dems along with Obama’s power will do with the housing crisis?

The Democrats and Liberals who promoted Civil Rights, the party of JFK no longer exists.
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many of us are still around and kicking, including Democratic politicians.

#409

Joyce Brighton
http://www.actforamerica.org

INTERESTING FACTS

Martial law is defined as: military rule or authority imposed on a civilian population when the civil authorities cannot maintain law and order, as in a time of war or during an emergency.
Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.
Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.
Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.
Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.
Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.
Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.
Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of “emergency.”
Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.
Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.
Executive Order 12656: “ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES”, “A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President.” This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.
Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, …. anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.

That is the power GWB gives to OBOZO!

#404 On the Rocks I’m going to fax my Senators tomorrow and tell them just that, NO BAILOUT unless conditions are met. If not, Bankruptcy. I’m doing Florida, Sen. Nelson & Martinez.

Sen Nelson has always been for fuel economy, I’ve spoken to him about it before, but no one in Congress will support it. It’s disgusting the way we are controlled by greed. They all need to be kicked out. We probably should tell Pelosi, Obama, Clinton, all the Dems to vote GAINST BAILOUT unless the Fuel efficiency standards are met.

Murphy: More on post 408..Could you as well, if you are going to pursue this, get her to get you a copy of that published document she refers to in her hand on the tape. According to her site, there are three chapters of her group in Ma.but if you are going to do anything with this, I hope you will get in touch with her personally prior to anything else.
This is very important. I am blown out of the water by this…I hate it when I see certain things and they become true…Usually I am yelling about something to people and pointing to it and they do not see it or think I am crazy, then by the time it comes true and over the years so many times this has happened they do not even remember that I talked with them about it or do not understand the implications.

#413
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/concentration
Concentration Camps in America:
Are They For You?

CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES\
House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515-3308

March 34, 1997

Mr. Zell Setzer
P.O. Box 4198
Salisbury, North Carolina 2814

Dear Mr. Setzer:

Enclosed is the information you requested pertaining to the Army’s policy and
guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor program and civilian prison camps
on Army installations.
This information has not yet been published (it is currently at the printers), However,
it has been funded, staffed and does reflect current Army policy. I hope you find this
information useful.

With kindest regards, I am
Sincerely yours,

(script signature)
BILL HEFNER
Member of Congress

The Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Brown and Root) announced on Jan. 24 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps. Two weeks later, on Feb. 6, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that the Fiscal Year 2007 federal budget would allocate over $400 million to add 6,700 additional detention beds (an increase of 32 percent over 2006). This $400 million allocation is more than a four-fold increase over the FY 2006 budget, which provided only $90 million for the same purpose. [Pacific News 2/21/06]

many of us are still around and kicking, including Democratic politicians.

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Yes, but not the Obamanation party. i seem to have stepped on myself there. Mia culpa.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/concentration

site not there…I copied the letter exactly…but the top site is still there…and under Martial Law is what can happen…with the flick of a president’s pen he can enact it.
People say that there are no concentration camps here…ok fine with me…but I don’t think they are google mapped.

TerryDo 11.09.08 at 6:23 pm

CJ 11.09.08 at 6:13 pm

Question: What do you think the Dems along with Obama’s power will do with the housing crisis?
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Bail out the Home Building Companies, so they can create jobs LOL Crazy man, totally Fu** Up
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seriously…..I’ll sell my home cheaper and put cash in my pocket….

ah um a aa Obama’s money….let’s see…who would have all that money to filter through America via Arab and Islamic big buckeroos

Mia culpa.
it’s “mea culpa”

feebie 11.09.08 at 6:25 pm

CJ – Google FEMA Camps.

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I did and sent it in a post #421…I got that from a blogger back in August according to MSWord where I saved it…been passing it around every since and taking a beating on it…no one believes it but a very small few.

TEXASTIGRESS: If you are anywhere hanging around here, will you please come back here and talk..I miss you. This Pac needs you. Your country needs you.

http://www.ask.com/web?q=sharia+law+in+England&qsrc=0&o=0&l=dir
I made it easy for you.

catsarepumas here….sleep well my friend….

BillieJo 11.09.08 at 5:19 pm

Does anyone know any far right winged places on the net we can find out if they voted or not?

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Traditional Values Org – I am not certain what right wing is or if this is truly right wing. Hope this helps.

I believe for the most part Republicans voted, BUT I also believe that with the coupling of NOT counting the military vote, and not disallowing the FRAUD from ACORN, and having Obama operatives all over the polling sites is what actually caused him to win according to the votes…

IF it were scrutinized it would tell a different story…

I am in a VERY conservative area…I mean 80% or more supported McCain/Palin, and never did I hear anyone say they were not going to vote…

that is just more fuel to the fire that Obama and company want to put out there, just like these perceived problems between McCain and Palin, which was WAY over exxagerated!

Hey All,

This came across my vision, not sure if it was mentioned. Many breathed a sign of relief that the Republicans still have enough numbers to fillibuster anything too left and/or stupid. Keep in mind, Sen. Stevens in AK was convicted of 7 counts and can be brought up on ethics charges in the Senate. Nancy PooPoo will make it her mission to get him out even though he is appealing. Minn. is still in question with Al Franken the doofus and the Republican still duking it out.
Now HEAR THIS: In Georgia (which went completely red) Saxby Chambliss won by 49.9 % over his very liberal democratic opponent but Georgia law says it must be 50.1% or it is a runoff. WELL THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING. THe dems are making a power play and vow to HIGHLY FUND THE LOSER and even have Obama campaign for him, and run many commercials etc (He is saying “I will work with Obama to make the economy work again-LIES). The INCUMBENT WON, AND SHOULD HAVE HIS SEAT but they are making such as play and if they get it (and Minn goes blue- which they said recounts keep miraculously coming up with more democratic votes-Hmmm not suspicious huh?) then the DEMS WILL HAVE THEIR FILLIBUSTER PROOF MAJORITY!
We need to help this guy. You can contact http://www.saxby.org/

THE DEMONCRATS ARE TAKING OVER EVERYTHING! PLease pray this guy wins.
Check out too how Al Fraken is suddenly having more and more votes every time they count them!
this is crazy!!!!!!!!!

MakowashiNatsuko 11.09.08 at 3:58 pm

Look at the US as a rebellious teenager. this country is still young to other countries out there. So this election might be something that could be consider the rebellious teenage tantrum that our country is having right now.//
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Just for some perspective, the US is the oldest pure democratic republic in the world. It was the inspiration for most of the democratic revolutions in Europe, including France’s.