Comments on: It’s the CRACKLE! http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/ People United Means Action Thu, 23 May 2013 11:56:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Griffin http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/comment-page-7/#comment-229809 Griffin Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:00:29 +0000 http://pumapac.org/?p=2584#comment-229809 What I don't get is why are we all even going on and on about all these issues? I understand the need to vent, but I feel as if we're spinning our wheels. Do we all just need some more time to catch our breath before we start planning for the next stage of Puma's evolution? When I feel this level of anger and frustration, I need to do something. I just don't know what that is at this point. I guess I'm hoping we can start throwing out some ideas and then act on them. A little less re-hashing, a little more brain storming. What I don’t get is why are we all even going on and on about all these issues? I understand the need to vent, but I feel as if we’re spinning our wheels. Do we all just need some more time to catch our breath before we start planning for the next stage of Puma’s evolution? When I feel this level of anger and frustration, I need to do something. I just don’t know what that is at this point. I guess I’m hoping we can start throwing out some ideas and then act on them. A little less re-hashing, a little more brain storming.

]]> By: Griffin http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/comment-page-7/#comment-229804 Griffin Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:56:00 +0000 http://pumapac.org/?p=2584#comment-229804 Woodie: I don't bother asking that question about Clinton. I expected her to cave and she did. A woman strong enough to stand against that tsunami of hatred has yet to make an appearance, unless Palin has more to say. Woodie: I don’t bother asking that question about Clinton. I expected her to cave and she did. A woman strong enough to stand against that tsunami of hatred has yet to make an appearance, unless Palin has more to say.

]]> By: Griffin http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/comment-page-7/#comment-229801 Griffin Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:53:45 +0000 http://pumapac.org/?p=2584#comment-229801 Seattlegirl: Sorry, but I live in Washington, too, and I've seen plenty of misogyny here. Especially over this election. I moved here from the East Coast three years ago and from what I can see, people are no more open-minded here than they in any other part of the country. Seattlegirl: Sorry, but I live in Washington, too, and I’ve seen plenty of misogyny here. Especially over this election. I moved here from the East Coast three years ago and from what I can see, people are no more open-minded here than they in any other part of the country.

]]> By: blondlady http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/comment-page-6/#comment-229759 blondlady Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:31:17 +0000 http://pumapac.org/?p=2584#comment-229759 Grizzly - #204. I have to agree with almost all of what you said, but you didn't go into the botched campaign that Hillary ran that gave BO the momentum he needed to surge ahead in the primary. I think Hillary relied too much on the loyalty of those who had so successfully managed Bill during his campaign and presidency. Several of them fell out and she tried to reorganize and redirect her campaign, but by then BO had that huge cash infusion and could not be stopped. Campaign management is the key to success. Grizzly – #204. I have to agree with almost all of what you said, but you didn’t go into the botched campaign that Hillary ran that gave BO the momentum he needed to surge ahead in the primary. I think Hillary relied too much on the loyalty of those who had so successfully managed Bill during his campaign and presidency. Several of them fell out and she tried to reorganize and redirect her campaign, but by then BO had that huge cash infusion and could not be stopped. Campaign management is the key to success.

]]> By: BrianH http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/comment-page-6/#comment-229724 BrianH Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:02:33 +0000 http://pumapac.org/?p=2584#comment-229724 taggles1 11.07.08 at 12:45 pm Oregon Town Elects Nation’s First Openly Transgender Mayor http://pumapac.org/forums/breaking-news/#comment-229371 _________ Actually, all of this "appointing" BS is way premature. He's really pushing it, and should be taking much more time to make contacts and deals, etc. taggles1 11.07.08 at 12:45 pm

Oregon Town Elects Nation’s First Openly Transgender Mayor

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Actually, all of this “appointing” BS is way premature. He’s really pushing it, and should be taking much more time to make contacts and deals, etc.

]]> By: CatBalu http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/comment-page-6/#comment-229644 CatBalu Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:16:46 +0000 http://pumapac.org/?p=2584#comment-229644 After watching the entire clip on MSNBOC, it seemed to me that Matthews was subdued and weirder than usual -- possibly had a few drinks or a hangover when he said those things. And then when even Mika went a little nuts over it, I got the feeling Mika and Joe were saying to themselves through gritted teeth, "yes, it's our job to make him look good -- but we're not supposed to say it out loud, Chris!" After watching the entire clip on MSNBOC, it seemed to me that Matthews was subdued and weirder than usual — possibly had a few drinks or a hangover when he said those things. And then when even Mika went a little nuts over it, I got the feeling Mika and Joe were saying to themselves through gritted teeth, “yes, it’s our job to make him look good — but we’re not supposed to say it out loud, Chris!”

]]> By: Zee http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/comment-page-6/#comment-229528 Zee Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:03:37 +0000 http://pumapac.org/?p=2584#comment-229528 I agree with sly's posts about following Obama's money trail...and if we could do it without atlas shrugs and other rightwing sites, so much the better....and not to bash their work, but if we want this work to get noticed we need it to be from a more mainstream source. I do believe in working alongside conservatives, as SeattleGirl has suggested with cable choice movement, it's just that we need to acknowledge that we are working on a common goal and don't embrace the rightwing worldview, or the common goal will be dismissed by many we need in the coalition. And hebrew.que. my suggestion is you stop harassing Hillary. Barney Frank is one of the wiliest out there and always knows how to get a quote in on mainstream media. He holds town halls and speaks at LENGTH to his constituents. He explained in great detail what it takes to work within the narrow band of opportunity offered by the MSM. You can't just get any agenda on the airwaves. Had Hillary spoken up we still would not have gotten her message. It would've been drowned in the shrieks of "poor loser!!!" and then we'd be where we are today, only without Hillary still standing. I agree with sly’s posts about following Obama’s money trail…and if we could do it without atlas shrugs and other rightwing sites, so much the better….and not to bash their work, but if we want this work to get noticed we need it to be from a more mainstream source.

I do believe in working alongside conservatives, as SeattleGirl has suggested with cable choice movement, it’s just that we need to acknowledge that we are working on a common goal and don’t embrace the rightwing worldview, or the common goal will be dismissed by many we need in the coalition.

And hebrew.que. my suggestion is you stop harassing Hillary. Barney Frank is one of the wiliest out there and always knows how to get a quote in on mainstream media. He holds town halls and speaks at LENGTH to his constituents. He explained in great detail what it takes to work within the narrow band of opportunity offered by the MSM. You can’t just get any agenda on the airwaves. Had Hillary spoken up we still would not have gotten her message. It would’ve been drowned in the shrieks of “poor loser!!!” and then we’d be where we are today, only without Hillary still standing.

]]> By: Zee http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/comment-page-6/#comment-229501 Zee Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:45:07 +0000 http://pumapac.org/?p=2584#comment-229501 SeattleGirl, 272 Obviously the country needs a lot more of the Western Women and Northwestern Women spirit! SeattleGirl, 272

Obviously the country needs a lot more of the Western Women and Northwestern Women spirit!

]]> By: Zee http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/comment-page-6/#comment-229498 Zee Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:40:41 +0000 http://pumapac.org/?p=2584#comment-229498 indy, what Axel meant was that in the heat of battle it's too hard to be picky about whom we associate with, but that now we can reject associations like this: ============== mzebest 11.07.08 at 11:59 am WE NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2127721/posts =============== Sorry, mzebest, not to single you out, but we most definitely don't want to be part of free republic or Andy Martin. I know the Freepers praised PUMAs, but they have a very ugly history of harassment in other cases, not to mention they're Libertarians. It also pains me to see PUMAs constantly linking to Atlas Shrugs, but I realize they are doing financial research. But at this time we should be able to think out our associations more carefully. The last time I went to NoQuarter they were featuring the rantings of a poster who nonstop promoted Republican views and sites. He was claiming that a black voter "admitted" to CNN he'd voted more than once, when in fact the man had come back because the line had been too long in the morning, and CNN was the one joking with him about voting early and often, or twice, or something like that. It was obviously a joke and it does our cause no good to hype crap like that. indy, what Axel meant was that in the heat of battle it’s too hard to be picky about whom we associate with, but that now we can reject associations like this:
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mzebest 11.07.08 at 11:59 am
WE NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2127721/posts
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Sorry, mzebest, not to single you out, but we most definitely don’t want to be part of free republic or Andy Martin. I know the Freepers praised PUMAs, but they have a very ugly history of harassment in other cases, not to mention they’re Libertarians. It also pains me to see PUMAs constantly linking to Atlas Shrugs, but I realize they are doing financial research.

But at this time we should be able to think out our associations more carefully. The last time I went to NoQuarter they were featuring the rantings of a poster who nonstop promoted Republican views and sites. He was claiming that a black voter “admitted” to CNN he’d voted more than once, when in fact the man had come back because the line had been too long in the morning, and CNN was the one joking with him about voting early and often, or twice, or something like that. It was obviously a joke and it does our cause no good to hype crap like that.

]]> By: Zee http://pumapac.org/2008/11/07/its-the-crackle/comment-page-6/#comment-229484 Zee Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:31:00 +0000 http://pumapac.org/?p=2584#comment-229484 GBPuma!! Thanks for your hard work and attention! If you see this and if you have the ability, could you also check the totals this time against the totals in 2004? Two or three states so far have been reported as fewer people voting now than in 2004...maybe that is just because the totals aren't in yet? GBPuma!!

Thanks for your hard work and attention!

If you see this and if you have the ability, could you also check the totals this time against the totals in 2004? Two or three states so far have been reported as fewer people voting now than in 2004…maybe that is just because the totals aren’t in yet?

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