It’s the CRACKLE!

Hello Oh my am I first.. I’ve never been first!

Also got this from gretwire:
going to watch it.
Interview with Sarah Palin talking about John McCain and then talks about media trashing her
4 part interview from radio station
http://www.bobandmark.com/

Didn’t know I was first.
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Murphy can you delete my last name? Please!

slyt2 11.07.08 at 9:13 am

Not sure, I am going to email the station and fox. I woke up with my bitch factor on full charge! I have to take grandkids to school so I will be doing some email and or phone calls when I get back.

The news media’s role is simply to report the news. Back in the days of ethical journalism, tv journalists were even trained to not facially react to stories.

Now? They make up their own stories, or they spin the truth, or they completely color the story with their own opinions and reactions. Even worse though, is that they HIDE the news–the truth. It’s dangerous. We need less pundits and more hard news journalists. We need curious and responsible investigative journalism. But tv news is competing with the internet and our culture of reality tv, and so they level, and report on only the superficial and sensational to appeal to the lowest common denominator for ratings. A lot of them are also totally controlled by their bosses and they are morally weak people.

# 7 I emailed them the same type of comment but said to rename it “fools-ball”

mkp651 oh ok i thought maybe you had a email to get to somebody directly and if so I was gonna get it from you and send one out too.

HOW TO STEAL AN ELECTION-2008
Starring . . . .
The “Bitch”, The “Bimbo”, White Guilt, and 100 Million Dollars!

My disgust with the DNC began with RBC travesty May 31, which I witnessed on one of the t.v. stations. When I came to this site its first week, someone suggested renting the movie “Ironed Jawed Angels”. It helped me to NAME my call, my cause. It really woke me up! What we witnessed with Hillary, we are seeing happen again with Sarah. Last night, I purchased two copies, and I have decided to go back and purchase more . . .GREAT Christmas gifts! I am handing them out now to people who have expressed a disgust with what happened this year, but can’t put a face on it . . .and also giving them to female friends that bashed Hillary and Palin. (I wonder how Hillary Swank voted this year? Having a tube thrust down your throat and nose had to have made a difference in your perspective.)

Do this for Lucy Burns and Alice Paul (If you don’t know who they are, perhaps use this time away from the “tube” to look ‘em up?
A PUMA CHALLENGE FOR MY PUMA FRIENDS . . IF you haven’t seen the movie, rent it this week end! If you have, buy lots of copies ($11.95), and pass them out where you see fit.) Maybe Pelosi and Oprah should get a copy Fed. Express! Gotta go to work . . will repost later this evening.

Good Morning Pumas

((Murphy))

Did you get the mail I sent yesterday?

“So far “feminists” are trying insanely to convince themselves that Hillary and Sarah were just the wrong women and deserve this bigoted treatment rather then facing the reality of rampant misogyny in the MSM and the Democrat party.”

source?

Griffin 11.07.08 at 9:09 am
“I don’t know about the rest of you, but I have been mostly asleep, politically speaking, for most of my life. ”
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This is what I have been saying. I have read and researched so many presidencies of the past that what happened in this election is not any different. People have the internet and have been more informed so it appears to be the FIRST and the WORST. It has gone on for centuries.

I guess that is why I was prepared and was not shocked when he won. I have not experienced the depression because I knew its normal. Its just more people were more actively involved and informed. Yet we still have millions who refused to be involved at all or informed and robotically went and voted democratic as usual.

RedRich: welcome. You are right there are many of us who look on the bigoted elitists of both parties and the MSM and we are the ones who should meet in the middle and take this country forward. Please keep us up to date on any real people centrist Republican movements. I ahve always voted for about 25% Republicans anyway.

redrich-you sound like us:) are you from the south?
we are in AL. I love PUMAS! This board is getting me
through the mess that was called an election.

LinkLibrarianLillian : No source, I work in research where my job is to observe and it is simply my observation. I am sure you all see it too.

atypical who is that person who wrote that letter about HIllary????Is she a reporter or a hurt supporter?

I am so over this. It is history repeating itself. I have to wean myself from this the same as I have from the news channels. The constant repeating of the same things and realizing it will only consume my life is not what I want to do daily. I’m not giving up or giving in but I can not and will not take any more time away from the joys of life and my family. Ultimately…..we are not big enough or rich enough to make a difference. 18 Million voices were silenced and 2.7 million PUMAS votes proved my theory. And just listening to CM being the topic of today’s conversatin is more than I can accept.

Don’t spend so much time in here and forget your family and fun things in life. That video of those Obots trying to re enter the world was sad and I would hate to see PUMAs living their lives the same as them. Have a good day PUMAs.

One of 18million cracks: I heard you the first time. and my answer to you remains the same.

Dances

It’s still funny, I love the Musican Man

Oneof18million cracks DON”T YOU DARE LEAVE WITHOUT GETTING MY EMAIL
MAMAPUMA OR MURPHY I GIVE PERMISSION TO GIVE IT TO HER IF AND WHEN SHE EMAILS FOR IT. Thank you and sorry about the caps i am just so tired of losing people on here I like.

hey yall

too early…lol

off to wack (c.kat in your hat)

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/07/news-on-chris-matthews-leg/#more-5952

Comment by educatedwhitewoman | 2008-11-07 09:06:30

Really? Do we have a real journalist out there who might ask Chris Matthews about the following:
Let’s think about this. We now have a President-elect who trained ACORN agitators to harass banks to make risky home loans to low income minorities and also pressured Fannie & Freddie and their congressional supporters (like Obama who, in 3 short years, became the 2nd highest receipient of campaign donations from Fannie & Freddie) to force banks to make more and more of these risky subprime mortgages, leading to the mortgage meltdown and the current deep recession, and now Obama hires as his Chief of Staff a guy who oversaw Fannie & Freddie when the corruption, including cooking the books and multi-million dollar payouts to corrupt Fannie & Freddie executives was going down:
Emanuel Was Director Of Freddie Mac During Scandal
New Obama Chief of Staff, Others on Board, Missed “Red Flags” of Alleged Fraud Scheme
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ
November 7, 2008

President-elect Barack Obama’s newly appointed chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot “red flags,” according to government reports reviewed by ABCNews.com.

41Dances: You are correct.

Atypical #21 – thanks for posting that. It’s exactly what Hillary did and totally nails the reason for the loss of confidence that so many of her followers had in her. But, I’m through looking back, like Scarlett O’Hara, said, it’s too painful and it just tears at your heart. I’m making a resolution to do something at least every week for the next four years to boost Sarah Palin’s image. I’m sure that plenty of opportunities will come up that will make it very easy. Today I’m emailing Bill O’Reilly, Last night he read an email from someone who asked why did he threw Sarah under the bus based on Karl Cameron’s comments and he answered “because it’s news.” Sorry, but it’s not news, it’s gossip. Karl said he couldn’t say who said it, and that’s the number one component of gossip. He probably won’t read it and that’s okay. Think I’ll post it on Gretawire, too.

Atypical #21
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Sad to say it but I agree with the post. There is not a crack or a chip now. It feels like we are starting a square one, yet again.

Seattlegirl, I’ve observed that same thing, only it’s not limited to “feminists.”

I felt Joe Scarborough in the last six weeks of the election, was supporting Obama, on the snippets I saw of him on the web.

Now, by his sparring with Matthews, maybe that Koolaid is wearing off.

I boycotted watching the MSM long ago, but I’ve commented and emailed them about their biased “reporting” for 20 months.

Well,the web is the New Media, so let our work begin.

Starting with Obama’s naming of Emanuel and Podesta, two Clinton advisors.

During the primaries, Obama would never compliment Bill on the eight greatest years of a presidential administration in modern history. Then after Obama was selected the DNC nominee, all he did was tout the Clinton years.

And yesterday, he worked out of the office of John Rodgers of Ariel Capital Management. This is what ABC News said about Ariel and Obama in May 2008:

“Following Obama’s efforts, the Illinois Teachers’ Retirement System gave Ariel Capital $112.5 million to manage, and added hundreds of millions more over the next few years.

In 2006, the teachers’ fund took its money back out, citing Ariel’s “underperformance.” Ariel said the hot stock market of 2006 made its funds’ growth look modest, guided as it was by the firm’s conservative buy-and-hold philosophy. Ariel is positively rated by several investment experts.

Now, Rogers is an Illinois finance co-chairman for Obama’s presidential campaign, having raised more than $200,000 for the campaign. Ariel employees have given nearly $70,000 to Obama’s White House effort — for a total of more than $130,000 to Obama’s political career since 2001, when the politician went to bat for the company. The total includes $8,100 donated by Ariel Capital president Mellody Hobson, an ABC News financial contributor. Hobson is listed by the Obama campaign as a “bundler” who has raised between $50,000 and $100,000 for Obama’s presidential campaign.

In addition to fundraising, Rogers provided Obama with Ariel Capital’s private jet in 2005, following his election as a U.S. senator.”

Well, that’s certainly getting Obama’s presidency started on right foot.

I can see we have our work cut out for us. No rest for the weary (or PUMAs)!

Regarding Lynette Long’s post…it’s no different from Gore not fighting. And there’s a reason. Barney Frank explained it to me when I went to see him with my friend who is a constituent of his. You can’t buck the media. You have this little tiny narrow door of opportunity and that’s it. The cover one little thing exhaustively. Then another. There is no dialogue.

Hillary’s message would not have gotten out. Even when they asked her about the Florida voters, back in the primary, she explained briefly and then said people could look into it if they wanted to know more because there was simply too much detail to go into — you know, before the next commercial break!

If Hillary had gone “rogue” that’s all we’d have heard. We wouldn’t be hearing anything but a spittle-wave of outrage on “sore loser” — she would’ve sacrificed everything and the caucus fraud would remain uninvestigated.

Murphy –

So far we have come up with a name for the show. Freedom March Radio.

Also thinking about adding some fun into the program like when Goofsdad says the name Obama there is the sound of spit hitting a spittoon.

Topics we are still working on and would love suggestions from ya.

I feel we have insulted all African Americans by enabling the first African American president to win by first cheating in the caucus contests during the democratic nomination race, and then compounding this error by allowing Barack Obama to spend 3 times what his presidental competition spent, and doing it with well over 200 million dollars in undocumented money.
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Yep… except for that “we” part, and the addition of african americans insulting themselves.
:::::: shrug::::::

no1what:

Yeah, I am more of a follow myself kind of person, and tired of waiting or thinking everything happens for a reason, and that I just gotta have faith.

I know why this stuff happened, and only the people can change a culture.

no1what

It also says in the bible that the lord helps those who help themselves. We need to help ourselves and not wait passively for God to fix it.

I still believe in Senator Clinton. I ‘ve always thought America wasn’t ready to elect a woman. I doubt I’ll live to see the day when woman will respect themselves or each other. I’d be interested in hearing if you think HRC would’ve won if she was the nominee.

GBPuma 11.07.08 at 10:23 am
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Thank you for the update.

atypical #21, blondlady #52, slyt2 #53 and of course Murphy #55

I can not agree more with Lynette’s article. I often wondered why Hillary did deliver the presidency to BO on a ‘platinum’ platter. She didn’t have to. Even my sister mentioned – well Hillary wants us to vote for BO. And how many more millons of people were lead to support BO after getting a green light from Hillary?

I hate to say it, but now Hillary more than deserves the results. I still think that she is great in her abilities to lead the country, but she disassociated herself from Pumas very clearly and ignored our pleas not to give in. She totally set aside advise and wishes of her supporters.
I think that it will be quite difficult to repair this. We just have to watch.

IMPORTANT

This link from countusout had a link to a radio show with Andy Martin last night.

http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/martin-v-obama-court-hearing-tuesday-november-18th-in-the-circuit-court-for-honolulu-at-1030-am-to-force-release-of-obamas-original-birth-files/

Problem is the link that leads to the show no longer leads to the Andy Martin audio but rather the more current audio for the Lan show. But it was an awesome idea and it sounded extremely logical. Can anyone find the audio? Everyone must hear it and it needs to be our prowl.

The gist of the idea is to funnel our outrage at the electoral college representatives. Andy Martin said not to waste our time with the Dem. reps cause they will protect Obama… but to demand that the Republican representatives of the electoral college demand to see the birth certificate. We need to make them demand a fight and not to be intimidated by the threat (from the Obama side) of a revolution… cause damn it… we’re ready for that revolution too. This country is worth fighting for and McCain needs to fight for it as well.

Andy Martin also suggested that Judge Scolea (I know I butchered the spelling but forgive me)… anyway… this Judge would appreciate the legal argument that the constitutional “intent” of the electoral college was meant to defend the country in this exact situation. So we need to make that argument too.

Again… can someone find the audio of that program for everyone to listen to. It’s our last hope… but we have that fight in us. I need to leave to go to work… but I’ll do whatever I need to do on this. Please go to the link above and try to find the correct related link to the radio show… and listen to this … it’s important.

Also — when is the official vote of the Electoral College? How much longer do we have (refer to my previous post at #78)

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Politics/Story?id=6196407&page=1

Has any male candidate had to go through such a postmortem? Let me know if I am wrong, but Palin is excoriated as a vain beauty queen with an empty head, and finally someone has spoken out to explain everything. But why are the explanations needed? They wouldn’t be for a male candidate. Kudos to abc for doing the story -

And I can’t stand Matthews. Won’t watch him ever.

Murphy…I haven’t received my goodies yet. It makes me worry that you might not have received other cards sent to you. Who opens your mail?

It’s time to call in the white coats for Chris.

Gotta love that line too, “make this thing work.”

I…have a plan in mind. Right now…we have serious decisions to make. Right now is the time to act and make those decisions. It’s rather urgent. I think we need a solid plan my Monday. And the change has to happen by next week. I think I have a good idea on what to do.

I am going to write something up and spread around the idea.

# 19 Seattlegirl 11.07.08 at 9:29 am

“So far “feminists” are trying insanely to convince themselves that Hillary and Sarah were just the wrong women and deserve this bigoted treatment rather then facing the reality of rampant misogyny in the MSM and the Democrat party.”

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I agree with you completely Seattlegirl, there is such a thing as being a Republican and not wanting to support a female Democrat like Hillary , and/or being a Democrat and not wanting to support a female Republican candidate like Sarah. But the open ridicule by women from both sides of the party is self-destructive and infuriating.

“Hillary and Sarah were just the wrong women! “ What a bunch of crap!

But, I am also embarrassed at the number of women who do not even come out and vote, after the suffragette suffered so much to ensure women’s right to vote!
When women do not go out to vote they dishonor themselves and those brave women around the world who fought for women’s rights. That is my personal sentiments.

The very same rights that they enjoy today, their right to vote, but they seem to have an attitude that is was already their God given right, they do not know their own her/story.…

I am a staunch Feminist and
women hating women,
that is the one thing, I hate about women
is their hating of other women.

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#18 RANCHO
Re: the movie Rancho, “Ironed Jawed Angels” I agree with your comment and I also believe, all high school graduate should have to watch that movie, especially the young ladies.

I knew it felt too good to be true that abc would allow a positive report in defense of Palin. Get this, when you follow the link I posted above, after reading the positive story from Palin’s aide, you see at the bottom a picture of Sarah and the caption, what’s next for Sarah? Well, click on it and then click on her picture in the video roll on the next screen. Then you’ll hear the news report that I am sure was televised and therefore reached more viewers (until I can convince people it is what Mrs. Sublette in 7th grade said it was, an IDIOT BOX – that means you Matthews and you Olbermann and more and more I could name). Anyway, the televised report you can see on the web ends on a very critical note about —- you guessed it, the wardrobe!

UH. I have too many responses to #96. Better leave it at that. lol

Murphy:

“Madam President”

By-line: Who said millions of Americans have to call the cheater the winner?

96 murphy and RedDragon

yup, that’s a plan. Let’s not blame the woman. That is how patriarchy perpetuates itself.

Ex. women bind the feet of female children in China. Historically, always the women did it to their daughters. This way, the girl would blame the mother for the pain. Who required the binding? Males. It was to serve the sexual fetish and make the girl more desirable for marriage and therefore more valuable to her father.

Everyone should read Gyn/Ecology by Mary Daly for how the culture we live in encourages girls to attack each other in competition for male approval (and protection) in a society that fosters violence against noncompliant females.

indy
“I emailed FOX and Friends this morning on Chris Matthews. I told them Matthews show should be renamed SOFTBALL!” Touche’ , indy !!!

Murphy #96, I like your plan.

I have a idea why don’t we do some kind of a prowl to found out about Obama and his 300 million dollars in undisclosed campaign donations. Now I am not sure how to go about it but I’m willing to keep digging to find a answer since god knows the media will not continue to dig for it. We know he did not release his donor list (for certain amounts) can’t we demand now it be released? Wouldn’t that be public record now that he was “elected”, also we know they said about using a credit card to make donations and Hillarys and Johns rejected it but Obama’s took it so there was some Illegal stuff going on there, it was on fox news I’ll try to see if I can find the transcript for it, it was some kind of a test thing they were doing with a fake card or something.

I just read a great thread on Coyote Blue-Jay. Here’s an excerpt:

It is a fantastic step forward that African Americans have shattered their glass ceiling, but it is a saddening one that it could not be something done alongside women’s rights, but at the expense of them as sexism was mobilised as a tactic to do so.

I hope too that the quid pro quo of Obama being elected for the bone of gay marriage being defeated at the ballot is not indicative of others’ rights being sacrificed for a nobler or loftier goal. We could and should be working to uplift all of us, not stepping on the backs of each other to uplift one, whether he is The One or not.

http://coyote-bluejay.blogspot.com/2008/11/congratulatory-lament.html

#107 Headclunker,
We didn’t make the freakin’ rules, but many times we have to play by them. And of course, what we PUMA’s hope to accomplish is do away with some of those rules and make the rest a lot more Fair!! I couldn’t say it better, XOX, Headclunker, I need to get to work, you have yourself a great day.

# 96 murphy 11.07.08 at 10:48 am

I love it best when you are fired up Murphy, your true passion and leadership shines through.

The art of Philosophy demands, “Reason before passion”!

I say the only thing worthy of Passion is Reason, and your reasoning is right on and filled with correct passion!

Your comment is a good read and I am sure you will have given many bloggers a time-out to rethink their attitude…

Hey Murphy–check your pumapac.org email I sent you yesterday, subject: Publishing a PUMA Book. I extended an offer to help and am interested in your thoughts. Could be a way to raise funds.

Murphy – hello fearless leader!

murphy 11.07.08 at 10:51 am
I’m having a real problem with this. I’m not doing the shipping and I am having a REALLY hard time contacting the person who is.
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Is there a Puma in the vicinity who could take over the job of inventory/shipping?

Heya Dragonfly!!

If you must lay off employees in 2009

As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to The fact that Barack Obama will be our next President, and that my Taxes and Fees will go up in a BIG way.

To compensate for these increases, I figure that our customers will Have to see an increase in my fees of about 8%. I will also have to Lay off six of my employees. This really bothered me as I believe we Are family here and didn’t know how to choose who will have to go. So, This is what I did.

I strolled thru the parking lot and found eight Obama bumper stickers on my employees’ cars. I have decided these Folks will be the first to be laid off.

I can’t think of more fair way to approach this problem. If you have a Better idea, let me know. I am sending this letter to all business owners that I know.

I got this in an email……I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA!!

WYR1961,

Who wrote that book, Odd Girl Out? I don’t think I want to read it though. I found out 20 years later that I didn’t make the cheerleading squad because the woman hated my mother. That was ok, I stayed a nerd with round black glasses and got 2 college degrees. I may have gotten pregnant by a football player and turned into a pill popper if I had made the squad…….

MURPHY:
I thought you wanted to dry our tears.
I was half way through your #96 post when the tears started flowing and I noticed I was reading a “blue” post. You so well articulated what so many of us are feeling. Thank you for again reminding us what a great gift Hillary is.

DANCES:
I LOVE both your names!

slyt2 11.07.08 at 9:51 am

Oneof18million cracks DON”T YOU DARE LEAVE WITHOUT GETTING MY EMAIL
MAMAPUMA OR MURPHY I GIVE PERMISSION TO GIVE IT TO HER IF AND WHEN SHE EMAILS FOR IT. Thank you and sorry about the caps i am just so tired of losing people on here I like.
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I emailed MamaPuma days ago asking for your email address. So far no response. I will surely keep you in my daily thoughts especially when I watch GH. (that Carly is a pistol)

I just have to go on with my life. This is too consuming, frustrating and repetitious. No offense to anyone, this is just not what I signed on for when I came to help get Hillary on the ballot. Hillary left us and now I must leave. I wish her all the success in life and I am certain she will go on to do great and wonderful things for this country. As disappointed as I was in her I could never stop admiring her for what she has done. Many people disappoint us in our lives, but we don’t have to eliminated them. Bill and Hill will always remain the best of the best to me. I heard she is being considered Secretary of State. Good for her! Murphy you are the best, be sure to take time for your family and friends. Enjoy life…the holidays are approaching, don’t let this prevent you from taking the time to appreciate what we do have in life to be thankful for. My best to all PUMAs.

murphy 11.07.08 at 11:13 am

thanks indy — I did read that email and am mulling it.

there are definitely a couple books to be written about what’s happened so far, huh?
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Murhpy I agree with IndyBoomer you should write a book about your experiences.
You can call it “Pumas, A Rebirth By Fire”

Rebirth, because you revived all the dying passions of the American citizens political apathy and their feelings of futility.
You started a fire under their fatigue and created an explosion of energy that will not die soon!
Well at least 2.7 million Pumas, who did the protest vote, will purchase your book.

Oneof18million cracks… 11.07.08 at 11:24 am

slyt2 11.07.08 at 9:51 am

Oneof18million cracks DON”T YOU DARE LEAVE WITHOUT GETTING MY EMAIL
MAMAPUMA OR MURPHY I GIVE PERMISSION TO GIVE IT TO HER IF AND WHEN SHE EMAILS FOR IT. Thank you and sorry about the caps i am just so tired of losing people on here I like.
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I emailed MamaPuma days ago asking for your email address. So far no response. I will surely keep you in my daily thoughts especially when I watch GH. (that Carly is a pistol)
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Send your email addresses to the actioncenter@pumapc.org and I will forward to the two of you.

zephyr
How about “Uber Puma Partisan”

Zee #605 (umm from dowstairs, right?)

Axel, why didn’t you just say so?

Why are you posting links to 9/11 sites? For all I knew, you were praising Berg for defending that.

Heaven knows when I warned people here not to read or use Corsi as a source, I didn’t link to all his conspiracy nuttery! I didn’t beat about the bush. I just said don’t trust Corsi because he invented that fake “amero” scare story when trying to sell a theory that the dollar was going to be replaced by a multinational currency.

You posted a link to a 9/11 nut theory and asked what we thought. It was not clear whether you were disparaging or praising Berg.
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Zee #608 (too)

Oh, and thanks, Axel.

I do know Andy Martin’s a nut. He had this entire thing on how Obama doesn’t have enough African blood to qualify as AA, that he was mostly Arab and that his father was the last generation to qualify as AA.

I mean, hello! Obama Sr. was African, not American! So regardless of make-up he could never be AA! Dumb stuff.
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Thanks for a levelheaded reply, zee.

Maybe I really wasn’t clear enough in that particular post, but is I said before: Pumas, bash me if you wish, but I‘m not here to fight against you, but to present a skeptical, yet impartial viewpoint.

I very pro-choice by all means: I do believe that citizens deserve a right to chose between more than only two political options. I would certainly fight for that, if I’d be US citizen.

I would now, while the election battle-fog is slowly disappearing, advice a thorough consideration about allies. You don’t need to be overly picky about them in the peak of the battle, but after that…

or “Uber Puma Parmesan”,
for prplvette, snowtiger, and me?

mzebest 11.07.08 at 11:31 am
Follow up to post #143
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You might want to repost your idea in the Action! forum:
http://pumapac.org/forums/action/

135 murphy – yes it does seem so long ago. That’s why it is so great to give a shout out to my friends here. I feel we have known each other in person and a lot longer than several months! I am also more encouraged by our presence as a PAC today than ever before.

We will continue to grow and strengthen as the pride expands its territory.

Good morning pumas. I’ve got a problem this morning. Are there any computer geeks on here this morning, because I did a dumb thing. I had alot to take care of so I was doing too many things at once. I got a message that my Comodo Antivirus version would no longer be supported so I needed to install a new version. When I ran the install program it said I first needed to uninstall the existing version. I did and now there’s no message prompt to install the update. And of couse, I do not have a backup. Is there anyway to get back the first version that I had? Thanks.

DOES ANY PUMA HAVE ANOTHER NUMBER YOU CAN CALL REGARDING GETTING YOUR FULL REFUND.

THE FIRST TIME I CALLED, THEY TOOK MY INFORMATION AND SAID THEY WOULD SEND ME A CHECK. I CALLED AGAIN AND GOT AN ANSWERING MACHINE.

i CAN’T BELIEVE HILLARY CLINTON. SHE HAS NO HONESTY OR INTEGRITY. NOW I’AM GETTING THE RUN-AROUND.

Zephyr…thank you for that post. It sums up what I have been feeling. You offered hope and action, not complacency. You are a cool PUMA.

Murphy…Thank you for perpectives on Hillary. I have been so pissed at her since I perceived that she was selling her soul to BO. I applauded Lynette’s tirade this morning. You have allowed me to see through the mud that Hillary has had to trudge through. I am no longer upset with her. Onward.

From American Spectator today
UNPRECEDENTED AND SECRETIVE
Lost amid all of the jubilation of the Obama victory was the announcement by the Obama transition team that it had set up a separate transition program beyond the one that is paid for by the American taxpayer. Called the “Obama/Biden Transition Project,” it is a 501(c)4 tax-exempt organization, with no limits on the contributions it can receive and no requirements to divulge the names of individuals or organizations that give it money.

Traditionally, the victorious campaign has set up inaugural funds, as well as funds to deal with legal costs and other expenses to close down the campaign. Others have set up quasi-corporate offices to deal with transition issues, such as in 2000, when, with the election in doubt, the Bush-Cheney team set up a private transition office in McLean, Virginia, covering the costs from campaign contributions and other fundraising. Ultimately, the federal government, headed by the Government Services Administration, covers the cost of the transition staff, providing it with office space and all equipment.

No one is certain that any political organization has ever set up a tax-exempt entity that would be shrouded in such secrecy, particularly when Obama claimed he would be more transparent about the way things were done.

“To my knowledge, it’s never been done, and people should be asking why the Obama people chose to do it this way,” says a longtime Washington Republican, who has been involved in transitions for the Reagan and Bush campaign teams.

BigCatLover
Go here, it’s a bulletin board and pose your question:

http://forums.comodo.com/help_for_comodo_antivirus-b86.0/

slyt2 11.07.08 at 11:44 am
DancesWithPumas ok thanks i emailed it there hopefully she gets on again and see’s that message too.
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Okay, will keep my eyes peeled… (ugh disgusting image).

TerryDo

Thanks for the tip, but I had already checked there and it was not there, so I guess uninstall is different from delete.

To all PUMAs who want a new party to form, there is a movement on. It is in the very very early formative stages, and with one of the explorers being Lynn Forester de Rothschild. I have been corresponding with her, and she wants input from others who are interesed.

For those who don’t know, Lynn is the campaign fundraiser for Hillary who ver publically refused to support Obama, then endorsed John McCain. She can be reached at lyn@together4us.com.

I think it would be benneficial for all of us who want this PUMA movement to move forward to at least consider joining up with others who are like minded. It does not matter who is in the lead of this movement, as long as we keep moving forward. We all have a role to play in the creating a better country through our political system. This little blog is filled with great informantion and members who can think. I would like to see us all embrace others who need our information, skill, and desire to change the world. There are millions of us out there, and if we find each other, we can do a great deal of good.

wontbackdown…
jpeg? send as attachment.
If the above are yoru only options, selection Rich Textamd HTML.

mzebest #155: There’s also a third party VP candidate who has a suit against Obama to furnish his COLB. I can’t remember the candidate’s name.

Actually, if the Supreme Court says, incorrectly, that Berg doesn’t have standing, then they will have a harder time denying that this VP candidate doesn’t have standing.

I personally feel, since Obama has sealed his college transcripts, his birth records, thesis, etc., that he certainly appears to have something to hide. Nobody goes to those extremes for nothing.

This should be settled now, before he is inaugurated.

I seems awfully odd that the day he went to Hawaii last week, to visit his grandmother, the State of Hawaii has said they sealed his birth records.

Speaking of his grandmother, Obama said yesterday he will visit Hawaii in December to honor his grandmother. Isn’t he going to her funeral?

BigCatLover 11.07.08 at 11:47 am
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You can try to restore your computer.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2072039_computer-system-using-windows-xp.html

You can use System Restore to undo harmful changes to your computer and restore it’s settings and performance. System Restore returns your computer to an earlier time (called restore point) without causing you to loose recent work, such as saved documents, or e-mail, or history or favorites lists. Any changes that System Restore makes to your computer are completely reversible. Your computer automatically creates restore points (called system checkpoints), but you can also use System Restore to create your own restore points. This is useful if you are about to make a major change to your system, such as installing a new program or changing your registry.

#176 Indy

Someone posted yesterday that the report that Hawaii sealed the BC was false… they called and the Official Office there said there was no such freeze or sealing but that any BC was still subject to being obtained by proper procedures and proper parties.

DancesWithPumas 11.07.08 at 11:49 am

Dances, yes I made them in a jpeg.

I tried rich text and html, but I am not sure if it translate on the the end do that they can be viewed?

I’ll just try and you can let me know.

P.S. (I am NO graphic Artist – just try ideas)

#176 Indy…

Also this isn’t about a law suit… this is an alternative avenue by giving putting a fire under the Electoral College Republican representatives to do the job of THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS FOR THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE

Please investigate and we need to get the radio archive of last night’s show with Lan Lamphere… if you hear it… it makes sense.

One of 18million………

Please stay engaged, even if it is not to the level we all worked in this effort. We need every single person in the country working to correct the problems we found while fighting the DONC and Obama. Would you be interested in joining a yahoogroup to stay informed? Let us know, some of us are contemplating forming one.

hillfan4mccain#175 This happened at one of the high schools in the Charlotte NC area. The Black students were taunting the white students. Major fight broke out. This really maybe a fight for Middle Earth. (Lord of the Rings analogy) My daughter attends a predominately black college in NC. She has not gone back to class, yet, as we wanted to wait until the crazies to go back to their drug-induced stuper.

DancesWithPumas 11.07.08 at 11:44 am

Thanks for the link. I went to the forum and posted my question. I tried to go to Help there, but keep getting the Internet Explorer error message.

Hey TexasTigress!

Do you have onions?

“Matthews wants to save face just in case the next four years are hopelessly another despair for the country because he and the rest of the liberal media placed Obama in the WH.”

Bingo! A successfull obama term is Mathews’ last chance at redemption. Otherwise he will never live down his tingles and crackles.

ANNOUNCEMENT– FRIDAY, NOV 7Team Sarah Co-Founder Marjorie Dannenfelser will appear on the Bill O’Reilly Show tonight to discuss the post-election attacks on Sarah Palin. Please tune in and discuss it here!

BigCatLover 11.07.08 at 12:05 pm
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Your welcome. I hope it works.

Why would ANYONE want to listen to Chris Matthews we Puma’s stopped listening to him during the primaries or at lest that was what was posted on this site. So Bo is not experienced why bring that up WE KNOW HE IS INEXPERIENCED,UNQUALIFIED, do we actually think the people that voted for him care any more now then they did then, and do you think they are looking at his ‘CHANGE’ when he is using Clinton’s staff? A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY WAS CONTRIBUTED TO PUT THIS MAN IN OFFICE he is their puppet on a string, ( whoever) or (whomever) is holding the strings will be running this country.I am sorry I do not mean to yell but I am not over this selection yet.

While I can understand the feelings of Lynette Long toward Hillary, I cannot say that I agree with her. Yes, Hillary did campaign for Obama, and no doubt she delivered millions of votes. But we do not know her reasons. Granted, there is partisan politics that came into play – something I absolutely detest in both parties. But we have no idea what backroom deals were made, and I firmly believe that Hillary would not do what she did without something in return. We will have to wait and see on that front.

In my mind, there are 3 primary factors that were in play leading to an Obama win:
1. George Bush
2. Obama’s Campaign
3. McCain’s Campaign.

Note that Hillary is not among those top factors.

George Bush. Let’s face it, the media did one hell of a job over the last 8 years in turning Bush’s tenure into a vehicle of hate. The reactions of people toward Bush were made visceral, not just rational. Any good the man did was wiped away by the vitriolic hyperbole that whipped the voters into a frothy recipe of outright disdain. The voters were transformed from rational human beings into a vengeful mob armed with pitchforks and torches hell bent on destroying the political Frankenstein monster that they were convinced was haunting and hunting them.

Bush himself unfortunately played right into this manufactured image. The “my way or the highway” approach, the “we don’t need your help” philosophy, and the departure from his own base and their ensuing alienation created an electorate of all political persuasions ready to scrub clean any possible hint of another 8 years of George Bush. While the circumstances are vastly different, the climate for change was eerily similar to that created following the Nixon Administration.

The Obama Campaign. Lie, cheat, steal. Spend, spend and spend. “Riding dirty”, as Jeremiah Wright might say, was the way toward victory. Character, a big issue in all presidential elections, was taken out of the election equation. Obama’s greatest asset was perhaps his lack of a record or a history. His campaign managed to keep his identity a secret, to keep his status as an unknown cipher in tact. And the lid on his past was tightly sealed by playing the race card at every hint of a question about his past. He co-opted the MSM, and managed to turn them into a branch of his political campaign.

It was a campaign following the Alinsky and Karl Marx playbook -deception and manipulation. Turning lies into truths and truths into lies. In normal times, I believe the electorate would not have bought into this to any great degree, but the Bush effect created the necessary smokescreen. Amazing.

Money was indeed an object. Obama’s $600 million buried the paltry $84 million McCain had to spend.

The McCain Campaign. Running perhaps the worst presidential campaign I have seen in my lifetime, McCain seemed hell bent on losing the election. In retrospect, it seems that he lost on purpose.

Watching the Republican primary debates, McCain was ruthless in his attacks on his closest competitor, Mitt Romney. He was unmerciful in his attacks and showed no degree of honor nor restraint in the ads he ran against him, or in the way they were run. He saved the most vicious for just before the primary, eliminating any chance for Romney to counter the claims. That approach was a distant memory in his run against Obama.

McCain exhorted his supporters to “fight, fight, fight!”, yet refused to take off his own gloves.

The missteps by McCain were legion. First, he inexplicable hired a campaign guru to run his campaign. I believe the guy’s name was McCormick. The guy was a marvel at steering the McCain ship during the primary. Just one problem: McCormick had made it very clear that he was an Obot and would not stay with McCain if Obama were the GOP nominee. And true to his word, McCormick beat a hasty retreat after Obama secured the Democrat nomination. McCain had no effective backup to speak of, so when he was forced to change horses in midstream, he jumped on a nag saved from the glue factory.

McCain never tried to make nice with the conservative base. never.

His selection of Palin did rally the troops, but his team totally botched handling her. Rather than let Palin be Palin, they immediately tried to change her – by bringing in handlers from the Bush White House. They threw her to the wolves by scheduling her first public interviews with ABC and CBS – what in the hell were they thinking????

The way he handled the economic crisis was a joke. Suspending his campaign? In addition to allowing Obama to run virtually unopposed during that time by pulling all of his ads off the air, the scripting of his move was the epitome of hollow grandstanding. He danced to the Democrats tune, and played right into their pocket.

And McCain never seemed to have a coherent game plan. He allowed Obama to paint him as the second coming of George Bush without response. While he did bring it up in the final debate, months of Obama’s pounding home that message were not going to be impacted to any great degree by a weak retort in a debate. And it was weak – he had a golden opportunity here – to both get his point across and tie Jeremiah Wright back into the forefront as a campaign issue. Obama’s attempt to connect McCain to Bush was less of an issue than Obama’s connection to Wright. You can pick your own pastor, but the people pick the president. McCain could have countered that Obama’s attacks were reminiscent of the connections between Obama and Wright (or Ayers, or Farrakhan,,,), to which Obama had strongly objected.

There are many other examples, but suffice it to say, McCain blew it. Big time.

There are some major reasons we are where we are, but Hillary is not among them. We should all remember that.

indy #159

axel #148 wrote:

“I would now, while the election battle-fog is slowly disappearing, advice a thorough consideration about allies. You don’t need to be overly picky about them in the peak of the battle, but after that…”
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axel: I may have come in, in the middle of a conversation, but what allies do we need not to be overly picky about?

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Indy, at that point I was really talking in general terms; before I was referring to Philip Berg and Andy Martin.

http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/RodriguezComplaint.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Martin_%28U.S._politician%29

To make it clear: I doubt about theirs credibility, and credibility is an issue of any relevant political movement.

BTW, Axel is not shortened for Axelrod, LOL

Pookie 11.07.08 at 12:00 pm

hillfan4mccain#175: If this is true why wasn’t the FBI called?

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I cant answer that, I dont know what has been done. When I received the call about my friend, I was concerned about her. I didnt even think to ask such questions. sorry

On Drudge Report

FOXNEWS Greta Van Susteren obtains first post election interview with Gov. Palin… Van Susteren traveling to Alaska for extensive sit-down interview with Palin to air Monday night exclusively… Developing…

We need to keep a very close on on FL…e.g. Broward county has about 50% of the precincts with very bad turnout (under 70%) reported so far in their counts and many many under 40% or less…..when an average normal year is 80% turnout or better of registered voters. And the state is only listing a 74.5% turnout so far……….And much of FL precinct by precinct has terrible…beyond terrible turnout values report to date……but McCain is only down by 200K now……

add to #206

P.S.: Indy I consider that this recent battle is over, we’re now in the aftermath of it.

I feel exactly the same way as this person. I have stayed off the blog for all the Hillary bashing, blaming her for Obie winning. All the people bashing PUMAs for voting for any Dems down ticket…..on and on.

As far as Lynette’s post is concerned (As much as I have used the info in her caucus website more than anything else to defeat BO and I truely respect her and her cause)…

I have to ask you….

When Lynette was on tv before the general election, why did she only talk of sexism and not even bring up the caucus fraud she researched so well? She forgot about it, or she didn’t think it was worth mentioning?

Sexism is a huge problem, we all know it and most of us have lived with it and will continue to fight it’s abuse……but when did it become more important than voting fraud in the US? Voting fraud and ACORN destroy our right to vote and have that vote counted.

murphy 11.07.08 at 10:48 am

Was over at RD’s place and just had to copy RedDragon62’s comment from 10:34am:

“I took a walk over to NoQuarter to “Read” what they were saying today about Obama’s win.

What did I find?

Hillary bashing!

I am so F@#$%@# sick of these people that, in one breath praise her and with the other, trash her when things do not go their way!

This is what I wrote in response to a post left on their thread:

Comment by RedDragon62 | 2008-11-07 10:21:46

I stubbed my toe this morning getting out of bed…It was Hillary’s fault!
My coffee spilled when I lifted the cup off the counter…It was Hillary’s fault!

Can’t find a job…Hillary’s fault!
Many of you Hillary bashers do not have a life…Hillary’s fault!
Your wife left you? Hillary’s fault!
The dog bit you? Hillary’s fault!
Kids are dope addicts? Hillary’s fault!
You’re a freaking loser? Hillary’s fault!

Get a damn life already! Leave the woman ALONE!

You would have done the SAME DAMN THING if you were in her position! Get off you’re damn high moral horse and point the finger where it belongs……Point it at ourselves for allowing the media and the sippy kup kidz to run rough shod over all we hold dear!

We have the power to change the media. We have the power to force this “American Idol” culture out of american politics.
This was a creation of all that we consume as a people.

We buy those rags that glorify celebrity bullshit! We eat up all that the media feed us and yet we place the blame on a woman who fought her ass off—Against some POWERFUL enemies!

Shame on all of you that feel the need to place this loss on Hillary! What did YOU DO to make a difference besides type on a key board and bitch and moan?

Hasn’t this woman been through enough already?

Hillary will always be “My Girl!”

Shame on all of these “Turncoat” Mofo’s! This is why a woman will never win in this country! We are too quick to place the blame on HER shoulders, when the blame belongs with those that deemed it necessary to destroy her!

F@#$ them all!”

yeah. let’s NOT blame the woman this time. How’s that for a plan?

not everyone at every site is a Hillary fan so don’t let the bashing get you down.

the main point is that noquartersusa is a Hillary fan and supporter. susan at noq is so upset she hasn’t written or blogged since election night.

I am sure that there were women who told Susan B. Anthony to let it go, spend time with your family, “they will always win”. Thank God she did not listen to them.

I say, let the puma’s go. Those of us who are left need to put a coalition of people who have been tossed aside by our party, regroup and take this coun try back in 2012. I would love it to be Hillary, but we will have to wait and see.

I thoink that we must reach out to the Gay and Lesbian community because we are both tossed around like a football every four years!

The DNC must add gay marriage to their platform, They must stop this game that they play every four years. How many women have been mentioned regarding BO’s cabinet? One, CK. Give me a break. There are new issues that we can work on. Let’s solidify and focus.

We need numbers, like BO. I am so pissed that the AA community bulldozed prop 8, and I am not gay. These are American citizens who pay taxes, spill blood for their country they need to be called out, because they will be back looking for votes in 2012.T he gay community will not be there, I promise you. Let’s unite.

slyt2
Haven’t received your email address:
actioncenter@pumapac.org

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Wontbackdown
That worked!
Will upload after work.

The first of the challenges thrown at the President-elect, who received his first national security intelligence briefing yesterday, came from the Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

He threatened to base warheads along the Polish border if Obama goes ahead with a Bush administration plan to create a missile shield in Eastern Europe.

Then Israel warned Obama last night that his claim that he was ready to open talks with Iran could be seen in the Middle East as a sign of weakness.

Furthermore, Afghanistan’s president Hamid Karzai demanded that Obama ‘put an end to civilian casualties’ by changing U.S. military tactics to avoid airstrikes in the war on the Taliban. He spoke out after seven wedding party guests were accidentally killed by an American airstrike.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1083501/Day-One-Obama-faces-Cold-War-threat-warning-Israel–armed-guard-to-gym.html

There is a simple prayer which helped me get sober 21 years ago.

God grant me the serenity, to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

We need to look for what we can change and focus on 2012, believe me, Bambi and his crew of merry men are already starting. We can’t waste any time.

Robert Gibbs to be Obama’s press secretary.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15364.html

My grand son came home from High School yesterday he is in his senior year he said that they have split down the middle in school and the kids that backed Obama started the chant in the lunchroom he is not part of it but he said he didn’t think that would ever happen in his school we live in an upper income area the mix at the school is hispanic, AA, some asian’s but mainly white but all from upper income families but the AA and hispanics are still in gangs why would they be is what I would like to know and the funny thing is the hispanics and AA are the ones fighting each other. it is upsetting to hear the stories like the couple that were killed because they were biracial. What the hell is going on I didn’t by into the stories at first but now I am begining to wonder.and worry I also saw two rebel flags yesterday I live in the south this stuff better be stoped by parent’s teacher’s and all are involved with kids should keep an eye on it.IMO

“Bush, Cheyney and the Administration, manipulated and pressured the media, twisted the intelligence and manufactured the WMD threat by Iraq.”

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You are making my point for me. Do you have hard proof of those accusations? Let’s not firget George Tenent was head of the CIA and was a holdover trom the Clinton Administration. As I recall, he was “positive” there were WMD in Iraq.

While no one whats to address it, our intelligce agencies were abysmal.

As for Bush having any ability to “pressure” the media, I just did not and do not see it.

Let’s face it, both parties played politics with the issue. Congress had access to the same intelligence info the Administration had, and reached the same conclusion. On the WMD issue, rather than admit our intell sources sucked, it was much more politically expedient to blame the opposition.

Which brings up an interesting point about Obama – he says he was against the war. But, and this is a big question, would he still have held that belief if he had access to the same information that Democrats in COngress had? Don’t forget, even they were convinced of the situation in Iraq. If Obama would still have opposed the war, it raises a serious question regarding his judgment (another blown opportunity for MCCain). And if he did have access tot eh same info and that would have changed his mind, his “opposition” to the war was nothing more than grandstanding and political theater.

I don’t understand why it is taking so long for Obama to give Hillary an appointment. Hillary deserves something.

Excellent analysis of the political challenges ahead for the next president. A little bit of the substance we are no longer getting from the media. These are the kinds of things we should have been hearing about, not wardrobe cost and ankle size.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081105_obama_s_challenge

slyt2 11.07.08 at 12:21 pm

Ok now I have to resort to whinning people and it isn’t going to be pretty (lol). Please read my post 112 and post 145. There is so much information out there about this that I will post but I need help and need everyone here to get on board I don’t think I can do it alone won’t make as much impact.I think this is very important and needs to be looked into
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What kind of help are you looking for. I’m at work but I can give you this link. A complaint has been filed by McCain but the FEC won’t finish it’s investigation until after Bambi is sworn in. It looks like they will probably slap him on the hand and issue a fine.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/adolf_hitler_donates_to_obama.html

no1what#234: I would be willing to bet Mo is working really hard on that one.LOL

Dances: did you get them?

Did you get the Magazine’s “Name” means?

“mimic”
“act out”
“imitate”
“parody”
“represent”
“mirror”

(pretty funny – and so true, huh!)

murphy 11.07.08 at 11:16 am

shasta127 — yeah. except Rahm Emmanuel is alive and kicking (may he ever be so)
kicking obama where the sun dont shine apparently.
Day One for the Prez Precious? FUMBLE!
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‘kicking obama where the sun don’t shine’…did I miss some news or gossip?

MuchAdoAboutSomething I just want justice, just think they should finish what they started. I’ve got links to investigations and probing into it with a lot of unanswered questions but then it stops. Thanks for the link it’s more proof.

I don’t think McCain blew his opportunities just as Hillary his hands were tied when he tried to come at Obama—racism was declared. He and Hillary did not have a chance because of this. How can you fight an even battle if you have the media, money, and racism against you. All and all he did the best he could under the circumstances IMO. There is no way Obama could have taken these two powerhouses(Hillary/Mccain) down without playing a dirty game and that he and his campaign did so openly.

BarbNOBO 11.07.08 at 12:48 pm

“Hillary did what Hillary had to do or else she would have been ousted from the party. Some of us see that as weakness and some see it as something she had to do….”

Thank you for saying that… anyone else could quietly look for another job – or country – while sucking up to a dictatorship…

Hillary is the Former First Lady, a Senator of New York, and a woman who dreams, plans and works her butt off to make a difference for millions of Americans… if Hillary Clinton had to “suck up” to her Political Party… you can take it to the bank that having any hope of being successful in her on-going public servant life depended on it… she damn sure doesn’t NEED the money or fame.

Big Cat Lover: There is already a cable choice movement going all we have to do is join up. There is a law suit pending in California I believe and the FCC has made some moves toward this. Of course MSM lobbyists are all over it and BO will soon be appointing a new FCC head and do you think BO will be wanting MSNBC run our of business? I feel like we need to move now because Bush and Martin who is currently the head of the FCC and who favors this will be gone in 3 months.

I agree that Hillary Clinton gave up and allowed the DNC to use her shamelessly to put that fraud in the White House. She should have stood her ground and fought, not tucked her tail and been a “good girl.” But, she’s a politician, not a hero, so perhaps expecting her to throw her career away to do the brave thing is unrealistic. She let us and herself down, but I’m not surprised. I think she was in shock. Plus, I don’t think she had a clue as to the real depth of the misogyny in this country. She’s been shielded from a lot of it, by her position as Bill Clinton’s wife, her own political position, and her money. Only when she got uppity enough to expect to actually run this country, did the true hatred for her and all strong women come out. It’s still okay, even celebrated, in this country and around the world, to express contempt for all things female. Unless, of course, the females are wanted for sexual reasons or grunge work. As body parts for male pleasure, and cheap labor for the thankless jobs in life, we’re much valued. Until we get uppity and expect to be regarded as fully human. Maybe Hillary needs some healing time, to lick her wounds and gain a new perspective on the place of women in this country. Maybe she has a comeback in her yet, but not with the established parties, who have nothing to offer women but false promises and being used for votes. She needs to become PUMA.

*a* fax
oops

Does anyone have a list of the network sponsors and their emails?

Slyt2

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/obama-shipped-t.html

251…hebrew.que. I called the (212) 213-3717 number on Wednesday and asked for a full refund. I was told that they were moving their offices in DC this week and someone would get back to me “in a few days”. Maybe that is why you had to leave a message…they are supposed to be moving.

She may have taken beatings, but they were not of this nature, of the pure contempt and ridicule of her as a person, simply because she’s female. She was a Clinton, she was a Democrat, she supported national health care, and so on. Those were political beatings. The way she was treated this time around was different, and had nothing to do with politics. It had to do with her being a woman, period. Being denigrated for the very essence of who you are–whether it be female, black, gay–is especially hurtful. I can understand the instinct to curl up and protect yourself, which is what I think she is doing, even if I might not react that way myself.

#158 BigCatLover,

AVG antivirus is free and very good.

As far as anyone investigating this election and the election fraud, phony donations, etc. there will be a whole host of quickie lightweight books come out but no in depth investigation. We can only hope there are a few real investigative journalists out there that will do in depth investigating because that’s what they do. Then we may find out some unpartisan truth, but it will take awhile for that to happen.

HELP NEEDED

Does anyone have contact info for the guy (Joe Scarborough?) in the video on the thread who suggested the need for journalists to hold Obama’s “feet to the fire” (hm, I guess better late than never)? I want to follow up with a specific letter applauding that view and starting with the need for the media to watch closely Obama’s cabinet appointments regarding diversity in the gender department.

Thanks.

Griffin: There is no deep well of misogyny in this country. Misogyny is the norm in the Democrat party, on the corporate media and in the big cities of the East Coast. It is not a way of life in the pacific northwest or the midwest. We in Washington (yes there is a Washington state) are stunned at the misogyny we see and we have never seen anything like it. In WA we have a female Governor, two women federal Senators and our state supreme court is mostly female and no one even needs to bring it up. What is truly amazing is the way the East coast just assumes they are far ahead of everyone in acceptance of women in leadership roles when in fact they lag far behind. Unfortunately our Washington airwaves are polluted with New York and WaDC misogyny.

“You’re being so defensive of Bush, are you a Republican?”
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Indy

Scott McClellan a reliable source? Give me a friggin break.

I am not being defensive about Bush – I am trying to point out that the media’s role in villifying Bush helped to set up an Obama win. People developed an outright hatred of Bush, and it apppears you fall into that camp.

The man had and has more than his share of faults. And he brought much of the wrath on to himself. But Democrats also relied upon those same intell reports. Are they to be crucified as well? It is easy to say Bush lied, and attempt to absolve yourself of any responsibility in the matter, and it is certianly a more valuable political foil to wield than putting the blame where it belongs – on our intell services.

I am an independent, but if my views are so unwelcome here as to draw the hangover of kool aid drinking wrath, than I will bid you adieu. I got the impression that we were trying to be objective about issues here and take off the damn rose colored glasses. If that is no longer the objective, than I am obviously in the wrong place.

I have developed my views based on what I deem to be objective sources of information. I have done a lot of work to insure that objectivity trumps biased reporting. Yes, there are some things that surface in from one side that turn out to be legitimate. But I take the additional step of insuring that what is being said can be confirmed by independent sources with more objectivity.

You might want to try that sometime.

Slyt2

I honestly can’t answer how reliable the American Thinker is or how reliable your source would be. Perhaps others on the blog might know. I do know that the American thinker has cited other sources. It would be nice if we could get our hands on the complaint filed by McCain. Sorry I couldn’t help more.

oh no muchadoaboutsomething you helped a lot don’t worry about it.
Anna7000 this is all I have for him joe@msnbc.com someone may have a better one.

slyt2

Thank you so much for the link.

BTW, as for American Thinker. I’ve been visiting that sight fairly regularly for many months now. My opinion about the reliability of their info is that it’s variable. Somem of what they print is very well researched and provides references. Other stuff is very sloppy. You kind of have to go piece by piece. I always think a good rule of thumb to judge should include references, at the very least. Without that, it’s just someone spewing their thoughts in print without anything to back it up. It doesn’t mean they’re lying or exagerating, but if what someone’s saying is based on fact, they aught to provide supporting documentation. JMO.

Thanks again for the link to Mr. Scarborough.

Oh, not that you’re the Joe Scaborough expert (!), but do you happen to know the name of his show and the network he’s with? (Sorry, I don’t watch tv so other than a few of the big names, I have no frame of reference for most of these folks.)

slyt2

Sorry. I see from the link you provided that JS is at MSNBC.

shasta2001

I sent a fax to several of her offices about two weeks ago,
then called and left a message at that same number, then Monday I called, got a live person and requested a full refund. She did ask for my name, address, phone etc. and then said someone would be contacting me in a few days. I told her the only contact I needed was a check in the mail.
Of course no one has called me.

I do recall Asian4hillary, I think it was, who said he/she
called earlier on and did receive a check.

Anna7000 it called Morning Joe and you know the channel it’s on at 6 in the morning till 9.

I agree that Hillary delivered the presidency to bo on a ‘platinum platter’. Bill also helped.

Both of them could have made a few appearances for bo and left it at that. They put their party before their Country.

Both had said earlier that bo was not qualified to be President. That changed quickly.

Hillary and Bill gave passionate speeches about how “qualified” bo was. I will put up with a lot, but I will not tolerate being lied to.

I don’t believe bo will give Hillary a post in his administration. Has anyone heard her name mentioned? She
gave up her principles for nothing.

After not sleeping for four days before the election, I am now numb. I can’t remember a time when I have felt like this.
I don’t like it.

I know one thing for sure: the Democrats will never give a woman the chance to run for President. They are so sexist.
I don’t know much about the Republicans.

I know Sarah is being blamed for McCain losing. That is a real joke. She was the only light shinning during the campaign. She may decide she likes her life the way it is.
But, if she ever decides to run for President, I will be behind her all the way. Sarah Palin is the “real thing”.

Palin Deflects Criticisms from McCain Campaign

http://www.hulu.com/watch/43113/msnbc-decision-08-palin-deflects-criticisms-from-mccain-campaign

Griffin: Think back to the primaries when this campaign started.

It was the media that made it a gender and ethnic format and people
fed into that and that is exactly what they wanted.

GBPuma!!

Thanks for your hard work and attention!

If you see this and if you have the ability, could you also check the totals this time against the totals in 2004? Two or three states so far have been reported as fewer people voting now than in 2004…maybe that is just because the totals aren’t in yet?

SeattleGirl, 272

Obviously the country needs a lot more of the Western Women and Northwestern Women spirit!

After watching the entire clip on MSNBOC, it seemed to me that Matthews was subdued and weirder than usual — possibly had a few drinks or a hangover when he said those things. And then when even Mika went a little nuts over it, I got the feeling Mika and Joe were saying to themselves through gritted teeth, “yes, it’s our job to make him look good — but we’re not supposed to say it out loud, Chris!”

Grizzly – #204. I have to agree with almost all of what you said, but you didn’t go into the botched campaign that Hillary ran that gave BO the momentum he needed to surge ahead in the primary. I think Hillary relied too much on the loyalty of those who had so successfully managed Bill during his campaign and presidency. Several of them fell out and she tried to reorganize and redirect her campaign, but by then BO had that huge cash infusion and could not be stopped. Campaign management is the key to success.

Woodie: I don’t bother asking that question about Clinton. I expected her to cave and she did. A woman strong enough to stand against that tsunami of hatred has yet to make an appearance, unless Palin has more to say.