“So, this enormous and unprecedented turnout for Obama was only unprecedented for a Democrat. It amounted to 4.5 million more votes than John Kerry, and only 1.5 million more than Bush. The PUMA factor is being estimated at between 2.7 million and 2.9 million, and we must not forget the role of the much-investigated ACORN in registering all those new voters, some as many as 72 times each. As usual, stories of election fraud will be suppressed by the corporate media, since their favored candidate has won once again; but I suspect that ACORN contributed greatly to those surprising numbers in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. In any case, the PUMA numbers were very close to matching the “massive turnout” numbers for Obama.”
Read the rest HERE.
I’m tired of asking you to be wonderful to each other. Be fucking awful to each other. That’s an excellent plan.
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Alice Rodham Puma 11.06.08 at 6:35 pm
1st?
Alice Rodham Puma 11.06.08 at 6:38 pm
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 6:38 pm
Be fucking awful to each other. That’s an excellent plan.
(lol)
atypical 11.06.08 at 6:39 pm
From downstairs:
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 5:35 pm
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taggles, exactly. Don’t want too much of a mommy and daddy government. These middle school kids who must volunteer 50 hours a week…is the government going to give them the rides to get where they have to go…or will MOM have to, I wonder.
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I have two grandchildren, one 11 and one going to 13 next week. I don’t know how they could fit 50hrs. a week into their already overloaded schedules.
mzebest 11.06.08 at 6:39 pm
I’m reposting my post from downstairs
Also… does anyone off hand know the email address for Michele Bachmann. As a quick refresher — she is a congresswoman that we need more of. She was a great voice of reason against the bailout bill (both times). Yet when she said to Chris Matthews that she felt Obama was unAmerican in many of his views — Chris Matthews with the help of Pelosi contributed huge amounts of money to the campaign of her opponent. She survived and was re-elected by a 4 or 5% margin I believe. I would like to send her an email of support and let her know that even though I do not live in her district — I was following the results of her race and am very happy that she won another term.
Does anyone have her email handy?
zolo 11.06.08 at 6:41 pm
Things for the weary mind:
Well I woke up this morning thinking this. I feel as if I have gone insane. Nothing reflects what I have been taught to believe about the foundations of our country. Unless… unless both parties are working together. They are joined at the hip only by their wallets (What’s in your wallet? Not much in mine, but I am comfortable). So we have elections every four or two years to distract what the real agenda is which is making sure both parties stay in power, one way or another, and to pass the laws that benefit them. So what if the republicans loose this time around. So what if they have to pay a bit more in taxes. It all works out when they pay less taxes the next time around. They won’t suffer at all, they won’t have to become uncomfortable.
I hear there will be viable third party next time around. The curtain has been pulled away exposing the wizard for us PUMAs. Those obots who have worked hard to get the wicked witch’s broom will come home to roost, and find that damn dog there chewing on the curtain edge. And then, viola, the wizard will expose himself to them and the chanting will start, and the great Oz will only be a short little dude with a big microphone. And just think, all of those people that the dems and the repubs signed up to vote, they will just tap their red ruby slippers and jump ship. We won’t have to do anything, but sign them up.
Ok, so I have a wild imagination. But somewhere in our universe there is a planet where people have learned to live free together. I just try to envision it being here with my mind, everyday.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 6:41 pm
We get to be fucking awful to each other? Cool.
I had to delete what I was actually going to write.
Kinky even from my standards and I really don’t have any.
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 6:41 pm
atypical:
Did I really write 50 hours a week? That can’t be right. Must be a year.
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 6:42 pm
I have something awful!
Maybe I should write a woman bashing book. The whole thing can be a focus on how hilarious women are for being 51% of the nation, but allowing all media (from video games–to internet porn–to billboards–to movies–to news, etc) depict them as worthless, weak, doormats, punching bags, and sex toys. 51% of the nation and still only hold a tiny percentage in the media and government. What a LAUGH! Brainwashed by media, by religion, by school, by e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g. Hey stupid women out there in the world: YOU are the majority. lol…but shhhhhhhhhh, keep it a secret.
AniEm 11.06.08 at 6:47 pm
Actually, I’m in the mood to be awful to politicians – every last one of them. Cross posted from Gretawire:
Comment by USA-Wakeupcall.COM
November 6th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Thanks to the link from the above poster, I signed the petition and included the following:
“I also want to insist on a 35% across the board pay and benefits cut for every elected official. Your irresponsibility has devastated the constituents and the country you profess to serve.
You have given us a defective governmental product and, as taxpayers, we are entitled to a refund, retroactive to when the Congress willfully neglected to provide correct oversight of Fannie and Freddie.”
http://www.rallycongress.com/letters2congress/1310/tell-congress-to-hold-hearings-now/
gumbykat 11.06.08 at 6:47 pm
mzebest 11.06.08 at 6:39 pm
I’m reposting my post from downstairs
Also… does anyone off hand know the email address for Michele Bachmann. As a quick refresher — she is a congresswoman that we need more of. She was a great voice of reason against the bailout bill (both times). Yet when she said to Chris Matthews that she felt Obama was unAmerican in many of his views — Chris Matthews with the help of Pelosi contributed huge amounts of money to the campaign of her opponent. She survived and was re-elected by a 4 or 5% margin I believe. I would like to send her an email of support and let her know that even though I do not live in her district — I was following the results of her race and am very happy that she won another term.
Does anyone have her email handy?
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I was wondering about her. Thanks for letting us know she won. I also would like to remind anyone who lives in MN about the recount of Al Franken. We need to make sure the votes are counted properly. This was posted on http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/
Atlas readers know the high regard I hold for Senator Norm Coleman. He ran a tight race against that human stain, the demented Al Franken. Frank lost, but like all libtards, refuses to bow out and instead is torturing the electorate.
Coleman needs our help. Please. The Republican Jewish Coalition has sent out this alert. Coleman is a wonderful friend and supporter of Israel (as is Saxby Chambliss – that was a great win for us).
Norm Coleman – Recount Volunteer Opportunities
Senator Coleman needs your help immediately!
I am sure you have heard the news already that Senator Norm Coleman has a very tight lead in his race against Al Franken. Because the race was so close, by state law there must be a recount. Team Coleman is in URGENT need of volunteers to serve at precincts throughout Minnesota to observe the recount process. It’s imperative they locate 150-200 people who can take personal time from their respective jobs and lives and be deployed on behalf of Senator Coleman.
If you live in Minnesota, they need your help! If you live outside of Minnesota and are willing to come to Minnesota to help they also need your help!! The Coleman campaign must work through the recount process successfully and be sure Senator Coleman is properly represented. Deployed representatives can expect proper reimbursement and handling of travel expenses. More details are forthcoming later today.
Team Coleman will also need funding for the recount effort. In addition to all other contributions, individuals will be able to donate $2,300 per person or $5,000 PAC. More to come on this effort.
If you or those you know can take the time to volunteer and be deployed around Minnesota to represent Senator Coleman in this pivotal recount, please contact Tom McGill at 651-434-9735 or by email tmcgill@colemanforsenate.com.
greenfun 11.06.08 at 6:48 pm
Cannonfire is one of my favorite things right now.
Earlier today, we took note of the unnerving similarities between W and O. One observer begs to differ. From a comment on Politico:
The Obama team is far from the Bush/Rove team… one example is that they are INTELLEGENT!
Believe it or not, this is the second time in as many days that I’ve seen an Obot spell that word incorrectly. Longstanding blog tradition holds that Bush supporters are “MORANS.” Perhaps we should start calling O-folk “INTELLEGENT”?
(My favorite line from The Producers: “Ja, you see, dis is an example of der Schmartness…”)
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BillieJo 11.06.08 at 6:48 pm
Dow, S&P 500 Post Worst Two-Day Decline Since 1987…
Looks like the stock market thinks Obutt (Go’s name) is pretty awful.
BillieJo 11.06.08 at 6:49 pm
((((greenfun)))))
Go and fish are on the blog…where is SouthJersey?
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 6:50 pm
Please don’t worry so much. There’s still not a better country to be in (except maybe some posh European Union one…hahaha). Hillary is going to be in power too. I went to her speech and she rigorously encouraged her supporters to vote for him. I hate to see you upset, and I wanted to present the following….
Please consider this. I am thrilled about this. I am thrilled about how so many young people showed up in droves, finally feeling like they have a stake in politics. Consider this too. I have a beautiful, brilliant African-American student in one of my labs…..if you could have seen her face Ash…she was so happy. So many people in academia are thrilled. I am in NYC because Bush cut science funding for the NIH which shaved my husbands grant (and many other people’s grants) off the list. Obama wants to INCREASE America’s investment in science. That is such a good thing. Horst and I aren’t really getting along right now, but he’s a damn good scientist. Let me describe his research briefly.
Malaria is one of the top killers of children in third world countries. It kills millions of children in sub-saharan Africa and in India every year. There is no vaccine, because it is a protozoan parasite that infects blood. It is carried by Anopheles mosquitoes. Currently, the US is safe from malaria, because the mosquito’s range is inhibited by climate. But the climate is changing, and Anopheles mosquitoes are being seen in wider and wider ranges. DDT was a pretty good agent for vector control, but it harmed so many non-target organisms and disrupted ecosystems and was therefore pretty much banned. Horst studies the way that these insects digest food in their larval stage (when they are fully aquatic). The hope is that vector control of the disease can be established that is very specifically targeted (not harmful to OTHER organisms) because the mechanisms by which the mid-gut of the larval anopheles mosquito become alkaline enough to digest food are unique to this organism. Horst studies the electrophysiology of the larval mosquitoes. Other scientists study the organic chemistry that may be useful to the development of such an agent. If either of these lines of research are closed, they may never intersect. (Horst resubmitted his research proposal, and got his grant…but it was too late, he had already accepted the job here). In Obama’s book that I read, he expressed a real commitment to strengthening science in this country. It gave me hope. I am hopeful that my students won’t step into the same world where indifference toward biology outside of pharmaceutical companies was all that I encountered in job seeking. That the things they are working so hard to learn will matter and benefit humanity and ecosystems.
What I am trying to say is that there are so many hopeful aspects about this situation. People in Africa were crying tears of hope and joy. The world loves us again, like they did during 9/11. Maybe we won’t blow it this time. Maybe, just maybe, it’s a step towards peace.
I love you. I am trying to encourage you, and not diss you. I hate to think of you unhappy….
She is just so naive, innocent, and idealistic and I am such a cynic.
michelle47 11.06.08 at 6:52 pm
slyt2
Downtown…….Bretz!
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 6:52 pm
A couple days ago I posted my friend’d (in Staten Island) email regarding the election.
Today she sent this response to everything I replied earlier to her…
slyt2 11.06.08 at 6:53 pm
Michelle47 are we allowed to go there sometime and check it out?
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 6:53 pm
I really don’t like the word: “hate”. But I think I’m starting to feel the same toward BO as MO does toward ‘Whiteys’
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 6:56 pm
greenfun
Rofl.
Yes they are INTELLEGENT!
Tell them mensa called….and ordered a large pepperoni!
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 6:57 pm
BillieJo How far did the Dow drop today?
goofsmom 11.06.08 at 6:59 pm
Mountainsong
Dow fell 443 that makes over 900 points in the last 2 days.
michelle47 11.06.08 at 6:59 pm
slyt2
ABSOLUTELY……That would be fantastic!
goofsmom 11.06.08 at 7:01 pm
Gotta take Goof for a walk… BRB
One of these days I need to post pictures of him on his leash. Pretty funny to see a cat on a leash…
shasta2001 11.06.08 at 7:02 pm
The Dow dropped 443 points today. I have some friends that think Oboy is going to help that situation. (I still can’t understand why). I wonder what they are thinking, I am sure they thought it would shoot up after the election. Everyone is going to continue to pull their money out for 4 years.
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 7:02 pm
goofsmom “` That’s not good. One would think with the advent of the new messiah, it would be rising astronomically….but I believe it’s going to get much, much worse.
Did the info I sent help at all?
Seattlegirl 11.06.08 at 7:03 pm
kat in your hat: Yeah women are the majority. And it is true almost all depictions of women come through the distorted vision of males. Almost all channels on the TV line up are aimed at males and males like the “Men’s channels” Women do not watch the “Women’s content” channels because they are just a bunch of crap that has women in it punctuated every 5 mins with some idiot bitch prancing around in her underwear for a commercial. Hell they can’t even make a commercial that women will sit through. You have pornography defining women’s sexuality from the hertero male side and fashion defining female sexuality from the gay male side. And no matter which type of male is depicting us gay or straight the depictions are relative to their own needs and fears and have nothing to do with women. Then you have the females that are allowed on the media who act like they are doing some bizarre kabuki because every move they make is calculated to appeal to males.
goofsmom 11.06.08 at 7:03 pm
shasta2001
The theory is that Oboy can blame all the problems with the economy on the outgoing admin. Then look like a hero when it self corrects.
michelle47 11.06.08 at 7:04 pm
mountainsong
Doesn’t Africa have any of their own fucking scientists!!!!
That is a joke and not meant to offend anyone.
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 7:04 pm
Everyone taking their money out might not seem like a good idea. But at least they will preserve some of their wealth…and it will put honesty back into business. Meaning, if they don’t have the money for payrolls or expansion, they will just have to earn it~~~the old fashioned way that built this country in the first place.
goofsmom 11.06.08 at 7:05 pm
Mountainsong
Yes, the info you sent did help. Thank you ((((hug))))
shasta2001 11.06.08 at 7:05 pm
Here we go again, Slate headlines. “Hillary and other bad choices for Obama cabinet.”
slyt2 11.06.08 at 7:05 pm
I didn’t know if we could or not since I am not gay but cool that would be great. Maybe oneof18million cracks could go at the same time so we could all meet she lives in Toledo.
mick 11.06.08 at 7:05 pm
Murphy,
How do we know that the PUMA factor was 2.7 – 2.9 million? I would love to have the data so I can show a friend of mine who believes that the PUMAs ended up voting for That One. Of course, I’m telling her that she is wrong but it would help if I had data.
“The PUMA factor is being estimated at between 2.7 million and 2.9 million”
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 7:05 pm
Seattlegirl
You shouldn’t censor yourself. Tell us what you really think.
gumbykat 11.06.08 at 7:06 pm
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 6:52 pm
A couple days ago I posted my friend’d (in Staten Island) email regarding the election.
Today she sent this response to everything I replied earlier to her…
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These obots are going to have a rude awakeing. By the time Obama and his sidekicks steal everything where do they think all of “their” free stuff is going to come from. I’m sure people who have money like Donald Trump ect. are taking their money and hiding it.
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 7:06 pm
michelle47 Well, as I understand it~~they have all the gold and diamonds and God only knows what else…so they should. But apparently, now that they screwed up that continent they want to do in ours next.
michelle47 11.06.08 at 7:06 pm
seattlegirl
Now that is one spot on analysis!
slyt2 11.06.08 at 7:07 pm
Hey i got a email back from Tiffany one of the college girls who were investigating all the election fraud going on.
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 7:07 pm
I am not sure of what has gone on at Puma today, but the news is weirding me out. It is like what happened for two years never happened, and THAT ONE is GOD and we are all in great shape.
The single thing that scares and maddens me the most is when I read PUMA people or conservatives SPINNING what has happened and what will happen. BO will never be a good thing. NEVER. NEVER. Kids voted because they thought it was kool, not because of the history behind the right to vote, what it means to have this right (and what it means to NOT have this right) and how important excersizing this right is). Kids voted AGAINST THE OLD WOMAN OR OLD MAN, and for the cool young black hip dude (THEIR WORDS, NOT MINE).
Gays and Lesbians through women under the bus, showed their woman hating ways, and went BO. Women, for the most part, gave in to the woman hating culture that we have been indoctrinated in and went BO. JEEZUS even Latinos went 76% BO. We were lost before we even started….
Hillary, and those who supported her, were treated in a way blacks SHOULD have recognized and stood up AGAINST, and instead they participated and enjoyed (for the most part) the misogyny. ACORN, paid for by BO and the DEMS, destroyed democracy and will suffer not one minute and instead will enjoy their money and the victory laughing at us all the time. Rev. Wright will live in his million dollar FREE home and god damn us until he croaks. Rev. Pflegger will parody Hillary, and all women, and whites and be propped up by the CATHOLIC CHURCH and blacks as a man of GOD and a great mentor to boot. Rev. Farrakhan will REVEL in his greatness and his evil knowing that the bad is beating good’s ass.
And as Rome burns, the heathens will drug, drink, and fornicate thinking they have won something while all the time losing what precious little we have left of the good God gave us. And the few of us who have the intelligence to see this, and the courage to try to deal with, we will suffer. I suffer every second knowing that evil men will now control this county and that WOMEN (hillary esp) helped get them there. I suffer every second knowing that the truth is pretty much dead. I suffer every second knowing that nothing I did made a damn bit of difference. I suffer every minute knowing that Hitler took over using this same route, the same words, the same youth, the same everything…
I am not sure what is going on in PUMA, but I hope we can regroup because I have no home in America and most of my friends live only in my heart here at PUMA…
michelle47 11.06.08 at 7:08 pm
slyt2
I am not gay and I own it! They all love me and we have a great time there.
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 7:09 pm
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 6:45 pm
When do people get to try to vote for gay marriage again? How does that work?
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Not to revist the old thhread, but to answer your question:
In CA, anyone can place a a proposition on the local or state election ballots if they get a certain number of valid signatures, pay a fee, and submit within the alloted period of time.
MuchAdoAboutSomething 11.06.08 at 7:10 pm
((((((Murphy))))))
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 7:10 pm
My friend thinks all scientific research should be funded by government grants. So, I asked, isn’t that a bit like corporate welfare?
lizben08 11.06.08 at 7:11 pm
Don’t know about the rest of you, but I am searching for a viable Independent Party. The Dems won’t reform, they think they won. The Repubs won’t reform; they pooped out on us by not voting and want to revive their conservative base. I just want a reasonable moderate party that wants what is best for our country. Is that too much to ask?
Maybe election reform is something we need to fight for?
Until we remove the obscene influence of money on our politicians and media, we will continue to get crook after crook.
Just trying to sort all of this out…
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 7:11 pm
michelle47 Huh? You own a gay bar and you’re not gay….yet? LOL
greenfun 11.06.08 at 7:12 pm
Hi BillieJo and Anti !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was over at cannonfire too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_95F5e-Ac&eurl=http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 7:12 pm
BillieJo
If you’re here. The CD arrived today!!
Thank you so much!!
tennaseepuma 11.06.08 at 7:12 pm
Jenniforhillary……….amen!
mick 11.06.08 at 7:13 pm
slyt2 #39
And?? What did she say?
shasta2001 11.06.08 at 7:14 pm
jenniforhillary,
Just wanted to let you know I called the number you gave me last night to get a refund for donations. She acted like she could not have been writing down the info I gave unless she was a speed writer. She said someone would get back with me at another time since they were moving operations back to D.C.(not too far,maybe 10 minutes from Arlington Va?) I asked her , don’t you want my address? Oh yeah sure she said. More speed writing.
I sent a letter requesting it today and referenced my phone call and email. Will keep calling, they probably won’t have a listed number soon.
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 7:16 pm
lizben08 11.06.08 at 7:11 pm
All we need is to figure out how to take the money away from them and make them work for a living like everyone else.
My basic understanding of the difference between socialism and communism is that socialism is accepted by choice, and communism is socialism forced on the people.
I think that explains Ayer’s influence. They know we wont accept socialism, so they want a civilian military force.
If we want to preserve our country we may need to think outside the ‘impeachment’ box, which has never worked anyway.
michelle47 11.06.08 at 7:18 pm
mountainsong
Yep, odd huh!
Kerri 11.06.08 at 7:20 pm
Just wanted to check in. Murphy told us to be awful to one another…guess that means there was more childishness earlier? That sucks. Glad I missed it. I heard we have forums. Now FORUMS are my thing! I’ma go check them out.
michelle47 11.06.08 at 7:21 pm
I am going to start an organization to combat acorn, I did all the research today, I will get it up and running. I applied for a 501c3 today, I am hell bent on taking acorn down.
zolo 11.06.08 at 7:24 pm
KPFA is talking about sexism with the green party candidates right now.
shasta2001 11.06.08 at 7:25 pm
greenfun,
All of those Onion videos are a riot! Thanks, made my evening.
AniEm 11.06.08 at 7:25 pm
#29 michelle,
Africa, I’m sure has scientists. They also have 50+ presidents and not one of them is a Caucasian female nor African female. Why is that?
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 7:27 pm
What I believe happened.
I believe that Karl Rove set the democratic party up and knocked them down in a manner that would make Machivelli envious.
I have been thinking about this ever since Murphy posted the paper by Brazille on “Why America Hates Democrats”.
My thoughts crystallized today when a fellow I know told me that 28% of conservatives voted for “O”.
The paper by Brazille made the argument that the Democratic party needed to find a candidate that was “young, relatively unknown, could energize the African American base and would appeal to a broad range of people.
They found Obamam.
Now, who helped Brazile with this paper?
Karl Rove.
Why would Rove do anything to help the Democratic party? Simply put he wouldn’t.
Rove knew that the greatest threat to the Republican party was the movement towards the center represented by Hillary Clinton. He well remembers what Bill Clinton did to republicans.
What would be the best thing for the Republican party?
A democratic party controlled by the far left wing.
Karl Rove made devils alliance with Brazille to help her get an extremist agenda in place. The creation of that placement would require that moderate and centrist democrats be dis enfranchised by the far left. By ant means necessary. Leaving the far left in total control.
The left was more than happy to cooperate since the movement towards the center by the democratic party would make them irrelevant.
Once in place it would fail miserably.
The end result will be infighting by the remaining elements of the democratic party as each will inevitably blame the others for the predictable disaster.
Those centrist and moderate democrats would be left to try and re-create a political movement that would have nothing in common with the existing democratic party.
The far left would use every means at its disposal to maintain their ill gotten power ensuring that moderates and centrists would never return.
It was brilliant. And it worked.
zolo 11.06.08 at 7:28 pm
Is McKinney or/and Clemente a PUMA?
TD 11.06.08 at 7:28 pm
I don’t know if I find this funny…or scary
http://www.change.gov/
atypical 11.06.08 at 7:31 pm
Apparently Palin is under McCain’s bus. I can’t believe that they could be blaming her for the loss.
Rove and Co. were playing both ends against the middle from the beginning. I said that several times early on. I think McCain was the foil.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 7:31 pm
mick oh sorry here I will post it.
XXXXX,
Thank you so much for your email and kind words. We will follow up on the discoveries – but journalism only takes us so far. We can present the information, but the county prosecutors ultimately have the responsibility to prosecute or not.
Our plans are to start knocking on doors in the next several days and weeks to determine if the individuals who said they were permanent residents are actually residing in Ohio.
Thank you again for your support.
–
Tiffany Wilson
Graduate Managing Editor
Palestra.net
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 7:32 pm
jenniforhillary
We will prevail.
Have faith and courage in knowing that you are on the side of the Angels.
Hillgirl 11.06.08 at 7:32 pm
Hello, PUMAs,
As we move forward I would like to propose as part of the voter reform that we launch, or press for a full scale investigation of the DNC, primary election fraud, and the DNC convention practices. We need to move forward on this investigation. This, in my opinion, should be part of our ongoing mission. Murphy you are an amazing leader and inspiration–I think being wonderful to each other is still a good and valid message! Thank you for all that you do.
storytellers 11.06.08 at 7:34 pm
the differences between obama´s communism and any contemporary european socialist parties is that if this parties would have said what obama said:militia, indoctrination , spread of wealth etc thay would not get not even 10% of the votes
by the way, the american constitution was thought by its very nature that the 2 houses will never fall with the same party, because if not it would be the end of checks and balences, it would lean to a dictatorship, and that is what is about to happen
zolo 11.06.08 at 7:35 pm
Rosa Clemente is speaking that she wants to rebuild the green party. She is upset that the white green’s voted for the o man.
Middle age female 11.06.08 at 7:35 pm
Have you seen this? Voting results by county for pres and other.
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 7:36 pm
Hillgirl
There is no way we can investigate the primary fraud. If by investigate you mean the federal or local law enforcement.
Anna7000 headed an effort to get the state law enforcement to investigate.
we were all told the same thing. The democratic party is a private org. and the government has no authority to investigate primary voter fraud.
I’m sure it ill be the same for the Odnc.
goofsmom 11.06.08 at 7:39 pm
well goofsdad just had an disturbing email sent to freedommarch from a group called stormfront.
They said they liked the idea of freedommarch but wouldn’t join and alliance because we weren’t a “all white group” Jumpin’ Jimminy the crazies are coming out of the woodwork!!!
ontherocks 11.06.08 at 7:40 pm
TD 11.06.08 at 7:28 pm
I don’t know if I find this funny…or scary
http://www.change.gov/
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I find that scary.
tennaseepuma 11.06.08 at 7:40 pm
“When you choose to serve — whether it’s your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood — you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That’s why it’s called the American dream.”
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
tennaseepuma 11.06.08 at 7:42 pm
Sorry I read that on the sight that Texas gave….
stoney42 11.06.08 at 7:42 pm
I didn’t want to do it – but I did.
Call Senator Clinton’s office today and asked that my donation be returned.
Told the young man that I spoke to that it was because of her support for BO. He did not seem surprised.
MuchAdoAboutSomething 11.06.08 at 7:44 pm
#73 Tennaseepuma
I wonder what “will call on” means?????
Now he is just calling on Americans. What about those with Green cards, work visa’s?????
I have a few words to say to Barry but I’m not sure about freedom of speech anymore!!!!!!
Ex-DemInVA 11.06.08 at 7:46 pm
Hello. I don’t think it is going to be too long before Obama’s true agenda starts to appear. It is already peaking through. I heard that the Congressional black caucus, mainly Rep. Lewis, was upset that he didn’t pick an AA Chief of Staff. Welcome to the real Obama Rep. Lewis.
I was listening to Rush Limbaugh this afternoon, and he played some clips of Charlie Rose with Brokaw. They were talking about Saul Alinsky, Obama’s cult following and it being creepy, how he hasn’t been vetted and we don’t know much about him, how he’s the first to make his family get off the stage before his acceptance speech so he can how the adoring spotlight, etc. Excuse me? The media has known all along about the mystery of Obama and the danger he is to this country. Now they are starting to talk about it? It’s a little too late, isn’t it.
Rush said that you can hear fear in their voices. He said that they sound like they have seen this before with Obama and that they don’t know or are fearful of what is to come with his Presidency. God help us.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 7:46 pm
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.
Notice the word “require” I wonder what the penalty will be to people who say no?.
MuchAdoAboutSomething 11.06.08 at 7:47 pm
#73
And what is Barry going to do if those students that he is going to “require” to do community service refuse to do it. Throw them in Juvy!!!! #@$$@#####$
goofsmom 11.06.08 at 7:48 pm
snowtiger007
they don’t graduate?
TD 11.06.08 at 7:48 pm
OntheRocks #71-
Sadly…I agree. They are also taking emails. I see it now – A mass email going out with ‘Get in their face!’
atypical 11.06.08 at 7:49 pm
GOOFSMOM
We had a Siamese cat named Wong, used to walk him on a leash.
Also, we used to tie him up on the front porch but the mailman wouldn’t deliver mail; Mom posted a sign, “Beware, attack cat”
Ex-DemInVA 11.06.08 at 7:49 pm
I hope that Obama is not going to make it a mandate that the youth serve the community hours. They have enough on their plates already. I wonder how well the youth are going to respond to this newfound “work” requirement.
shasta2001 11.06.08 at 7:50 pm
#61 TD,
That site is scary. Try clicking on “The Blog”, it is only a statement from BO and no area for anyone to blog. No comments allowed I guess.
goofsmom 11.06.08 at 7:50 pm
atypical
I love it…. lol
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 7:51 pm
goofsmom 11.06.08 at 7:48 pm
snowtiger007
they don’t graduate?
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Beats me but, the whole idea seems to me based on the belief that the “state” has a right to demand your time and effort. Those who believe otherwise are “malcontents.
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 7:51 pm
zolo 11.06.08 at 7:24 pm
KPFA is talking about sexism with the green party candidates right now.
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Who’s hosting? I used to have a program at kpfa (music) and produced features for the weekly Womens Magazine program. That was when Ginny Z. Berson was the head of the Womens’ Dept.
shasta2001 11.06.08 at 7:52 pm
Maybe the requirement of community service will get some out of college quicker. My Obot son has been going for 9 years.
Ex-DemInVA 11.06.08 at 7:52 pm
MuchAdoAboutSomething 11.06.08 at 7:47 pm
#73
And what is Barry going to do if those students that he is going to “require” to do community service refuse to do it. Throw them in Juvy!!!! #@$$@#####$
This is just one of many of his hidden agendas that he did not reveal during the two years of his campaigning. I don’t think the youth and the family are going to take kindly to this.
shasta2001 11.06.08 at 7:54 pm
Barry will probably make their parents pay fines. They will be the only ones working.
zolo 11.06.08 at 7:54 pm
Dances~
I don’t know who was hosting… maybe they have an archive.
goandersen 11.06.08 at 7:55 pm
Puma is considered a ‘community service organization”, we could recruit the youngins over here to work. LOL!
Anna7000 11.06.08 at 7:56 pm
Back from the dentist.
New thread.
Permission to be awful to one another.
Just started screaming at my husband for every thing he ever did or said that ticked me off that I hadn’t addressed fully.
Told him: “Murphy made me do it!” (nothing like passing the buck!)
MuchAdoAboutSomething 11.06.08 at 7:56 pm
(((((((goanderson)))))))
LOL
tennaseepuma 11.06.08 at 7:56 pm
i was thinking what does in mean in school “Class room Corps”? So it looks like they will be big brother watching us 24/7….scary stuff.
MuchAdoAboutSomething 11.06.08 at 7:57 pm
Anna7000
LOL
shasta2001 11.06.08 at 7:57 pm
Weird, I just heard gun shots in my neighborhood. It is a really quiet place. Wonder what is up?
MuchAdoAboutSomething 11.06.08 at 7:58 pm
I think I will print that out (about community service), paste it on my office door and put a sign underneath that says “Don’t blame me…..”
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 7:59 pm
I have an idea. Lets all take advantage of any new programs bobo sets up. every dollar we use up is one the bots don’t get. :twisted”
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 7:59 pm
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 8:00 pm
BBL
michelle47 11.06.08 at 8:00 pm
The people that voted for Obama believe in taking from others and doing nothing to help themselves. There will be no community service, we have created a lazy do nothing society, a world full of bitchers and moaners, the dems need to keep them lazy and dependent, Obama will force them into nothing, he won’t risk the votes.
storytellers 11.06.08 at 8:01 pm
one of the failures of the communinist system is failure of the economy due to the failure of production part was done by voluntary work that turned out to be desastrous, we can not forget that forced voluntary work is a fiasco
1gypsy4mc 11.06.08 at 8:01 pm
Murphy – How can I change my username?
Also, I used http://www.pumapac.org and it brought up this page:
We’re HERE
Then I went to this page and tried to set up new account/user and I got this message:
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Beth 11.06.08 at 8:01 pm
I hate to see everyone here so very sad about gay marriage. It seems to me it’s a privacy issue, but courts don’t see it that way. Perhaps it should be a freedom of religion issue as the Episcopal Church, the left wing of Judaism and Unitarians support it.
Anyway, I would expect the 9th Circuit Court will take gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Barry needs to be able to replace one of the 4 of the legion of doom (Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts) for gay marriage to be upheld by the Supreme Court.
Here are some popular names for Barry’s supreme court picks:
Elana Kagan – Dean of Harvard Law
Kathleen Sulivan – Former Dean of Stanford Law
Merrick Garland – Justice of the DC Circuit Court
Cass Sunstein – Professor at Harvard Law
Diane Wood – Justice of the 7th Circuit
Stevens is 88 and will likely step down. Souter has been rumored to want
to resign since Bush v. Gore. Replacing those two would keep the Court
more or less in its current ideological shape, since they are both liberal
justices. If for some reason Scalia, Thomas, Alito, or Roberts dies or
steps down while Barry is in office (more likely with Scalia or Thomas
than the other two since they are older, but Roberts does have health
problems), the liberal justices will have a commanding majority.
So, Barry is beyond redemption for all the bad things he has done, but something good may happen for our GLBT friends and family members.
catsrlove 11.06.08 at 8:02 pm
jenniforhillary….. I understand your post and your feelings.
I didn’t sleep for 4 days before the election. I was so tense, so stressed.
My husband and I voted. I was insanely calm. I knew we were going to lose. The people had all of the facts before them.
Being friends with terrorists,and a weird, racist, black minister.
They knew he was involved in less than legal dealings in Chicago. They knew he was inexperienced, that he had no business even running for President. That he could destroy
our world.
They still voted for him. I know there was fraud; there always is. I am ashamed of the American people; that they could fall for this empty talking suit. I understand the young. They thought he was “cool”. They don’t have a clue about the things he will do.
My husband and I didn’t talk about it yesterday. He took my McCain/Palin signs down for me.. He worked outside today.
I feel numb… like there is nothing left of me..
Did you ever see such a God awful looking dress in your life?
We saw it on the front page of the paper. I told Tom that I thought Halloween was over.
As for Governor Sarah Palin: I am so sorry you had to take the bashing you did. It did make you stronger, and now you know what to expect. I don’t believe we have heard the end of this fabulous, brilliant, honest woman..
MuchAdoAboutSomething 11.06.08 at 8:03 pm
Don’t get me wrong, I think community service is good and that everyone should be encouraged to help out in the community. However, everyone knows people tend to rebel when “required” to do something.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 8:03 pm
Oreilly is reading a email he got about bringing up Sarah Palin it’s his talking point and he is sticking by what he reported.
1gypsy4mc 11.06.08 at 8:03 pm
Murphy I meant I came to THIS thread because I save them now!!
tillerylakelady 11.06.08 at 8:06 pm
Hey Pumas, It’s good to be back.
Here’s some info that I find interesting.
All Things Considered, November 10, 2006 · This week, Michigan became the third state to ban affirmative action in the public arena based on race, gender, and ethnic status. It follows California and Washington.
Michigan voters passed the ballot initiative by a wide margin.
Ya know I’ve been thinking ( which my husband Say’s sometimes is dangerous) Wouldn’t it be easy to abolish Affirmative Action now that this Country has a AA President? 3 states have already done so,and I’m wondering WHY?
admin 11.06.08 at 8:06 pm
1gypsy — you can’t change your username. You can get a new one, but it has to be associated with a new email address.
get a free gmail or hotmail email account and register with your new name and email address.
dont forget to look for your temporary password in your spam/junk mail folder if you dont see it in your inbox within a few minutes.
If you have any problems, email me.
GoPumaGo 11.06.08 at 8:06 pm
I’m tired of asking you to be wonderful to each other. Be fucking awful to each other. That’s an excellent plan.
Murphy I just wish I could bury my head in you and cry my eyes out. I just wish you could bury your head in me and cry your eyes out while I cry mine out. I am so f*ing dead. I just wander around in circles. dead inside except for the crying.
I love you Murphy. We all love you. We will pull out of this. It is good to grieve for days. It shows how deeply we love. for grieving comes from the loss of what we love so dear. Eventually we will grieve the loss of the entire world and then we will stand alone and we shall then find happiness and bliss because we will have found god inside of us and know that the world is but nothing.
But we have not lost each other. We have the love we share between us. All us PUMA. We love each other like twin sisters. We are the love the world has waited for. Each day as we get up for the new day we look inside ourself and say:
I feel love flowing inside of me. I am wonderful because god made me to experience love inside of me. I am loveable because I am able to love. God has made me ONE with Him who is Love. The love I feel inside of me is God. I experience God inside of me because God made me to experience him inside of me. I will stop looking for happiness in the world for it can never be found in the world. I will always find happiness inside of me because that is where God resides.
I am eternal and therefore the ONLY thing that can bring me eternal happiness must also be eternal. The world is always changing and is definitely not eternal. But all Love is eternal.
tennaseepuma 11.06.08 at 8:07 pm
Few know it today, but Chicago was the birthplace of a powerful grassroots social movement that changed political activism in this country. “Community Organizing” was pioneered in Chicago’s old stockyards neighborhood by the soberly realistic, unabashedly radical Saul Alinsky.
http://www.itvs.org/democraticpromise/alinsky.html
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 8:08 pm
Anna7000 LOL poor guy
goanderson lol
1gypsy4mc 11.06.08 at 8:08 pm
admin I just did that but I get this message:
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DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 8:08 pm
zolo 11.06.08 at 7:54 pm
Dances~
I don’t know who was hosting… maybe they have an archive.
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Just curious…will check their guide.
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:09 pm
catsrlove…
i feel the same as you…about what happened and about cats…
slyt2 11.06.08 at 8:09 pm
Ok I am not be racist or trying to sound dumb but does this scare anyone else or is it just me? It sounds almost like someone is making sure certain others “get special treatment.
End Racial Profiling
Obama and Biden will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice.
Now don’t get me wrong no one should be targeted because of their skin color but by pushing this what is gonna stop every person pulled over or arrested not playing the racial profiling card.
1gypsy4mc 11.06.08 at 8:10 pm
admin
http://www.pumapac.org/pumapac_membership_receipt.php
This is where I am………
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:11 pm
Beth,
You misread my sorrow. I am sorry that in principle 3 states voted to deny equal rights to Americans.
HOWEVER, for all those MISOGYNISTIC Hillary bashing BO loving Gays/Lesbians/Transgenders that voted for BO, I AM LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF IT…
May you suffer as I have, and even more….
admin 11.06.08 at 8:12 pm
gypsy — what’s your new username?
GAPeach 11.06.08 at 8:13 pm
I really like that the PUMAs are non-partisan. I started out as a Republican when I was in second grade and was enamored with Reagan–I couldn’t resist the rosy cheeks, OK? I decided to be an Independent during the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill hearings. I’ve decided Independent really is the way to be. I don’t want to be affiliated with either party and women’s rights will always be number one with me.
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:13 pm
CALL Hillary and get your fucking money back…
in a way, it’s honoring her “man of the hour” as we are just sharing HER wealth…
1gypsy4mc 11.06.08 at 8:14 pm
admin
old: 1gypsy4mc
new: gypsy rebel
1gypsy4mc 11.06.08 at 8:14 pm
is that spelling right for rebel??
ontherocks 11.06.08 at 8:14 pm
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:11 pm
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I think you are wonderful. I love your posts and your spunk!!
Thank you for always telling it like it is and how you feel.
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:15 pm
Shasta,
KEEP calling–you can call Hillary’s washington number too. IT IS FEDERAL law that an AMERICAN can get her/his money back within one year of giving it to a politician…
CALL HILLARY and simply say SHARE YOUR WEALTH–I want MY money back…
storytellers 11.06.08 at 8:16 pm
citizens(americans) to serve the state to meets the nation´s challange by community service, that is taken from stalin ´s and mao´s handbook
they are called something like “set production quotas systems” that must be met by a dateline
this is prior than the well being of the the citizens, the citizens are powns on the game
i would do some research tomorrow and i will post it , i am falling asleep and the keyboard is jumpimg
good early morning
until tomorrow
storytellers 11.06.08 at 8:18 pm
jenniforhillary
i would call hillary to send my money back too
admin 11.06.08 at 8:18 pm
gypsy you have mail.
yes, that’s the right spelling for rebel
GBPuma 11.06.08 at 8:19 pm
Just a comment about the thread downstairs………..When will we the American people realized that it is not about “Gay Right”, “Women’s Rights”, etc etc…that it is simply about HUMAN RIGHTS and act like it and vote like it!!???????
GOSUEF4HIL 11.06.08 at 8:20 pm
#40 jenniforhillary- I am with you about how ridiculous this BO turn out was- let’s see where these college kids will be in 4 and 8 years, when they have mortgages (imagine their chagrin when they learn that Barry isn’t paying it for them). Where will they be? Are they truly a part of the “new” democratic party or will we women with our low estrogen and cranky moods- will we be wanted then? I am so sick and tired of everyone saying it’s time to respect him because he is the next president.
And I say bullshit- until he does something worth respect.
Sorry- needed to vent.
I will try to be more productive next time I post.
tec1965 11.06.08 at 8:20 pm
murphy are you ok?? i know we are all really upset and frustrated now i know you must really be upset as you led this fight for so many of us ‘i hope you are well
and i really dont want to be awfull to anyone
sending you thoughts and prayers
please take some time for murphy
i am worried for you
god bless
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 8:21 pm
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:13 pm
CALL Hillary and get your fucking money back…
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Why? We contributed to her campaigm. She ran her campaign until she couldn’t any longer. Our contributions supported her… at teh tie she was doing what she was doing. We didn’t buy her or her future.
Why add insult to injury?
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton didn’t win or lose this race for obamagod. Hasnt she been punished enough. Jesus, have mercy, for God’s sake.
michelle47 11.06.08 at 8:22 pm
Tillerlakelady
Michigan banned affimative action because two brave girls took it all the way to the supreme court. They applied to U of M, they had stellar grades and were michigan residents, they were turned down and wanted to know why. Being michiganders they should have already had one leg up, they wanted to know the reasons for their denial into the university. The girls were told that although they were Michigan residents with tremendous grades the university needed to fill their quota of minority students, so the girls embarked on a journey that took them to the supreme court, it ended up being a ballot initiative and it passed. If I remember correctly I think it passed overwhemingly.
webfoot 11.06.08 at 8:23 pm
I’m looking forward to the looks on all those new voter’s faces when they get called for jury duty. And find out it pays about $10 a week.
PuppyDogMom 11.06.08 at 8:23 pm
How about if we’re awful to each other but wonderful to you?
webfoot 11.06.08 at 8:23 pm
oops, I mean $10 a day.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 8:23 pm
First and foremost i wanted to say thank your to everyone. I was disheartened by this election and more importantly this whole process. I am a political junkie that grew up watching Reagan and Bush one. Served in the military during the Clinton and Bush administrations. I admired what both of them done. I usually vote the party that is most strong on the miltary and have watched with utter shock the way the Democrat party thru Hillary out. It never made sense to me but now i am hoping i am welcomed here by all of you folks.
A few things that concern me like most of you is the following. Obama has his clones which will be using intimidation in the next couple of years. What i mean by this is what are we going to do when he wants to pass some bill we all feel opposed to when his clones which number close to 1.3 million and will be using the internet and email for intimidation of our elected officials. What are we going to be able to do to stop this. He has used these members to pressure Pelosi and Reed and i am sure he will use these people to lean on other Congressional members.
The article the other member wrote about Karl Rove and Brazzile it very telling. I believe that the best thing for this party would be a viable third centralist party and makes me wonder if Rove spelled this whole thing out. Why on earth would this matter to these two people well that is simple. Money and power. When you have a stanglehold on people in other words there are only two groups that can provide voices for thepeople what are we to do. I am currently here in England and no i dont like the socialism you see here but one this for sure is there is around 4-5 viable parties. In order for legislation to get passed you most put together a group of members and usually it is accross parties. Wonder what that would be like for us here in the states?
Anyhow i would like to say hello to everyone and am here to do what ever i can to help your cause. thanks and god bless all.
mick 11.06.08 at 8:23 pm
Snowtiger
50 community hours? Total? That’s not so bad at all. I think it’s a great idea. Many of these kids are so self absorbed, they need to learn how to get off their ass and sweat a little and do something for somebody else for a change.
My daughter goes to a private school, and she’s required to do community service each year. Yes, it’s required.
8th grade – 10 hrs
9th grade – 15 hrs
10th grade – 20 hrs
11th grade – 25 hrs
12th grade – 30 hrs
Total Hours = 100 hrs
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 8:24 pm
I know you all need to laugh. So watch this!
Obama Win Aftermath Leaves Millions of Obsessive Obama Supporters With Nothing To Talk About
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/obama-win-aftermath-leaves-millions-of-obsessive-obama-supporters-with-nothing-to-talk-about/
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:24 pm
And you know what makes me the saddest, and yes I admit it I am sobbing in bed because I just can’t take it anymore is HILLARY sold us out. She stopped fighting and SHE and SHE ALONE COULD HAVE WON THIS FOR US, FOR AMERICA, and for all that is good and holy.
In Denver, all she had to do was walk to ANY of the live microphones, grab it and say HEY, this girl is in it to win it. And state the truth. She is one of the richest most powerful smartest women in the world…and she let us down. As much as it is KILLING me to say it she let us down big time. She is the person in that poem about standing up so NOW before there is no one to stand for you. She is the person that says FIGHT and then leaves you stranded. She is the heart breaker and SHE and SHE ALONE.
Sure, the evil men and women plotted, planned, and are reveling in their deeds, but HILLARY is the only one who had the power. and she did not use it. and I DON”T GIVE A DAMN WHAT anyone says but HILLARY did wrong….If I had been in Denver I would have crawled, I would have dragged my broken body across that stage and grabbed that mike and SCREAMED with every breath left in my body NOOOOOOOOOO.
As a side note, even Nelson Mandela drinks the kool aid…he loves BO and says he is a great man. Maybe so, but Nelson that means a great man is one stinking pile of shit than….
I wish I could go somewhere for the next year and not have to think or hear one thing about this debacle. I don’t know if I can suffer the millions of indignities that will be coming our way…..
I wish PUMA was a place in real time, not just on the internet. This is where I would want to be for a while…a long long while..
webfoot 11.06.08 at 8:25 pm
Oh, and I saw Oprah interviewed on t.v. on election night. She said that she was registering drug addicts and drunks; she didn’t care just as long as they voted for BO.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 8:26 pm
Murphy Thank you so much – how do I get to my profile?
Okay – I’m back – new name!!
Hillgirl 11.06.08 at 8:27 pm
Snowtiger,
Sorry if I was unclear, I think an independent investigation of the all of the election shenanagans is warranted.Voter fraud is a legitimate issue which extends beyond the DNC. So that is a separate issue. Perhaps the DNC could be investigated separately as part of the a journalistic or documentary investigation. There has to be accountability somewhere.
tennaseepuma 11.06.08 at 8:27 pm
My favorite example is always Nazi Germany because so many people forget that it was a socialist dictatorship. Or perhaps they’re ignorant of the fact that the Nazi’s official and frequently forgotten name was the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. In other words, while most people consider the Nazi party to be a totalitarian ideology arising from the right, it was, in fact, a totalitarian party arising from the left.
Practically within minutes of the Nazi takeover of the German government, individuals were subordinated to the state. Even industries that remained privately owned (and there were many, as opponents of the Nazis = socialist theory like to point out), were allowed to do so only if their owners bent their efforts to the benefit of the state. Show a hint of individualism, and an unwillingness to cooperate, and you’d swiftly find yourself in Dachau, with a government operative sitting in that executive chair you once owned.
We all know what life was like in this Nazi socialist state. Citizens immediately lost the right to bear arms; thought crimes were punished with imprisonment and death; children were indoctrinated into giving their allegiance to the state, not the family; the government dictated the way in which people could live their day-to-day lives; and people who appeared to be outliers to the harmony of the conscienceless government entity (gays, mentally ill-people, physically handicapped people, Jews, gypsies) were dehumanized and eventually slaughtered.
queen81 11.06.08 at 8:27 pm
Hey all. here is my Two cents on Prop 8…I’m a lesbian who lives in SC. Now assuming what Richardson let slip is true and the high taxes will begin at 120,000…I’m damn glad I can’t get married today. My partner and I will surpass that mark in the next year or two. I say get the bigotry to work for you…I can’t get married? fine…at least we get to keep more of our money.
tennaseepuma 11.06.08 at 8:28 pm
Forgot to post the link
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/why_obamas_socialism_matters_1.html
Kat4Puma 11.06.08 at 8:28 pm
Webfoot – what tv station was that on about Oprah?
ontherocks 11.06.08 at 8:29 pm
webfoot 11.06.08 at 8:25 pm
Oh, and I saw Oprah interviewed on t.v. on election night. She said that she was registering drug addicts and drunks; she didn’t care just as long as they voted for BO.
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Really? That women has some nerve. That is something to be proud of.
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:29 pm
Dances….
Hillary and Bill for two years told everyone and their brother that BO was a danger to this country (and every other thing we have discussed in great detail here at PUMA), and she promised us SHE WOULD NEVER STOP FIGTHING FOR THE LIL’ PEOPLE…
well, she broke her promise. And she knows that they didn’t play fair, he didn’t win, and they stole votes, etc., etc. It would be different if he won, but he didn’t.
so, all she did was cave in and support undemocratic anti-american voter fraud, vote suppression, and now we get BO….
I am getting my money back, and when I feel good enough I will going to washington to meet in person with Hillary to ask her HOW she could have done it..
AND FOR THE RECORD I loved her as much as anyone here….maybe more…and maybe that is why it hurts so much…
if I am not allowed to say this here, I will write it in my personal diary. But if PUMA will not face what really happened, how can we win the next time?
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 8:29 pm
GBPuma 11.06.08 at 8:19 pm
…When will we the American people realized that it is not about “Gay Right”, “Women’s Rights”, etc etc…that it is simply about HUMAN RIGHTS and act like it and vote like it!!???????
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Great thought.
And, one reason for not thinking of it that way might be that when an umbrella term is used, some classes of HUMANS are overlooked and remain invisible. So for me, at this point, it is all about Women’s Rights, all women, but women.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 8:30 pm
If you ask for you money back won’t that put her back further into debt? Just asking a question.
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 8:31 pm
OMG. Watch this indoctrination crap. Teacher wants Obama–goes after young kids in class.
http://pumaparty.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5489
slyt2 11.06.08 at 8:31 pm
gypsy rebel I love it I want to change my name too.
zolo 11.06.08 at 8:32 pm
Dances~
I looked at the KPFA site but I don’t think the show is archived yet. As soon as it is I will link it.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 8:32 pm
I work at the Command Post here in England and we routinely receive phone calls from local people complaining about Air Plane noise. Get this. Tonight i received a call from an elderly lady wanting to make a complaint. I said please give me the details. She said “I know you are flying your Air Force planes around in celebration of your new savior and almighty new President. We here in the rest of the world can sleep easy because all is saved and we will all be taken care of with Obama in your White HOuse. Anyhow please tell your Commander to land the planes and quit the celebration.”
I followed it up with “Well maam, there are 55 million other people that voted against this individual and contrary to what you BBC media and the American media tells you not all Americans view this man as the MESSIAH like you all do.”
Amazing that people think this guy is like a God or something.
storytellers 11.06.08 at 8:33 pm
i support gay marriage just out simple respect and empathy
how many homosexual have a long love life and at the end all that they they have constructed together in the case that one dies he / she can not the use the widowhood benefits , and some many other similar things that they are deprived
i am not hung up on words and semantics ,language is a living thing and is in a constant change, therefore marriage is good term
in regards to palin i get the feeling that she does not undrestand it, or her religiosity unable her to see any other way, but i think she would be respectfull with the issue
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:35 pm
slyt–She can just use some of her own money (she’s worth 100 million dolars) and pay off her own goddam debt…
remember, we are all changing now–share the wealth ya know…
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 8:36 pm
I was wondering if i could ask for some of your alls help.
I was wondering if someone has a website or the top 25 things most americans dont know about Obamas questionable past.
I am trying to teach some young Airman at my command post and would like to turn them onto this stuff. Thanks
webfoot 11.06.08 at 8:37 pm
kat-I don’t remember the t.v. station. I was flipping through channels. Oprah was beaming. She said that they were asking people how long they had been out of detox and then just got to the point where they said, “never mind.” She also commented that it was the first time some of these people had ever voted. Oprah comes in on the NBC affliate in our area so I would guess an NBC person interviewed her. They asked her how she felt “launching” the next president of the U.S. I turned to another channel at that point. Apparently Oprah gets to choose our president. Maybe I should write to her and ask her for some “redistribution of wealth.”
atypical 11.06.08 at 8:37 pm
I am still freaked out about that red/black symbolism of the Obama attire on Tues.night. That means that they are now openly stating that they intend to follow their orignial goals re: Black Liberation Theology, “God Damn America”, etc.
I was so upset this afternoon that I lay down for a nap, dreamed of an old love. I had to go a long way back to find him; too bad that I can’t sleep and dream through the next few years.
Middle age female 11.06.08 at 8:37 pm
Remember everyone – he is not sworn in till 20 Jan 09. Anything can happen between now and then. There are still a lot of unanswered questions.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 8:38 pm
kat in your hat ok I watched the video and she was fine (IMO)until she got to the war then that is where she crossed the line! What was she trying to do scared the crap out of that little girl or make her cry. My daughter called me the other day because in her school her American History teacher MADE them watch 18 minutes of Obama’s speech on Nov 4th.When my daughter and several others said Oh god or why the teacher screamed at them for it.We will be having a conference soon.
stoney42 11.06.08 at 8:39 pm
I asked for my money back today.
I had transfered my donation to her 2012 Senate race.
Told the guy I would donate in 2012 depending on the situation.
I did feel like Shasta though – He seemed to take my address down very fast – too fast.
I am going to write to them tomorrow.
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:39 pm
I sent Oprah a letter…simple and to the point…
I voted with Maya, with Martin, and with God. You voted for the other guy. God take pity on your soul.
webfoot 11.06.08 at 8:39 pm
#159 airforcehusker-check out the Puma action center talking points.
tennaseepuma 11.06.08 at 8:39 pm
Airforcehusker
Pumapac action center
top right side of page!
atypical 11.06.08 at 8:40 pm
159 airforcehusker:
See if you can use this:
100 REASONS TO VOTE AGAINST OBAMA
http://frwest.blogspot.com/2008/09/more-than-100-reasons-to-vote-against.html
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 8:40 pm
@#153 Is that REAL?
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 8:40 pm
Where do i find the Puma center talking points at?
ontherocks 11.06.08 at 8:41 pm
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 8:31 pm
OMG. Watch this indoctrination crap. Teacher wants Obama–goes after young kids in class.
http://pumaparty.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5489
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See ,just when I stop crying and my heartrate goes back to normal, some fuckin bullshit like this shows up. That teacher needs to find a new job.
Anna7000 11.06.08 at 8:42 pm
153 KAT – We need to scoop up that video and save it! That is so freaking freaky.
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 8:43 pm
zolo 11.06.08 at 8:32 pm
Dances~
I looked at the KPFA site but I don’t think the show is archived yet. As soon as it is I will link it.
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Oh! Thank you but, really, you don;t have to go through all that trouble. I’ll get to it. Thanks though!
slyt2 11.06.08 at 8:43 pm
gypsy rebel did you see my post #63?
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 8:44 pm
I sent a letter to Sarah Palin today to say thanks for everything she done. Also to tell her that her family is in our prayers and we hope that as a woman she will remain strong and continue the good fight.
I feel that she was treated totally unfairly and know the media is trying to hammer in the final daggar in order to complete there destruction of her with all this new crap coming out from the campaign. It is to dame bad.
atypical 11.06.08 at 8:45 pm
Are you calling Hillary at 212-213-3717?
Are her fax number or her e-mail at Hillbuzz still operational. I asked once for my money back but I haven’t heard anything. I’m not very good on the phone and would rather do it by fax or e-mail. At this point in the market crash, I probably could use the money too.
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 8:45 pm
slyt2…really? Screamed at them? Sigh. I said this the other day but it really is the first time I understand home schooling. I was always way against it. But I get it now.
RememberNovember 11.06.08 at 8:45 pm
Well here’s an awful thought
More people under the bus
Howard Dean under the bus? O’Reilly commented yesterday that Dean had not been seen for a week and speculated that he was handcuffed to the wall in a basement in Nebraska (BO did not need him any more)
Seriously though, was Biden at the election party? I could not bring myself to watch the celebration. I read that he was locked in a car somewhere(!). Is he effectively under the bus?
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 8:46 pm
slyt2 you’re so funny!! Tell Murphy!!
mick 11.06.08 at 8:47 pm
***** Murphy ***** Murphy ***** Murphy ******
*********************************************
Repost –
Murphy, How do we know that the PUMA factor was 2.7 – 2.9 million? I would love to have the data so I can show a friend of mine who believes that the PUMAs ended up voting for That One. Of course, I’m telling her that she is wrong but it would help if I had data. Thanks.
“The PUMA factor is being estimated at between 2.7 million and 2.9 million”
Headclunker 11.06.08 at 8:47 pm
jenniforhillary
The Serenity Prayer
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.
–Reinhold Niebuhr
webfoot 11.06.08 at 8:47 pm
#170 airforcehusker-go to the top of this page and click on Action Resources. All kinds of really good things there.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 8:47 pm
Katinyourhat..
Our family has a set of twins at 3 years old. They will not step foot into public school. If i have to work three jobs in order to be able to pay for private school or at least a school in which i can have a hand and say in their teaching than they will go otherwise. No way in hell will my children be indocticated in the public school system.
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 8:48 pm
Pumas,
I just got on, has this hit the blog yet?? This fucking pisses me off. The democrats aren’t wasting any time throwing their weight around. This man is an INDEPENDENT and since they don’t need him anymore they plan to kick him to the curb!! I’m not always in agreement with Joe Lieberman but, he did step out of the democratic party and ask the people to re-elect him and won. (Thasright, they tried to step on him once before.)
Here’s the damn story:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4A59E120081107
Wrong move, as already half (probably more) of the country doesn’t have any use for congress. How about some puma love for Lieberman and some Puma pounce for our favorite America bashers, the democrats??
webfoot 11.06.08 at 8:49 pm
Night Pumas.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 8:49 pm
slyt2 About Palestra – how in the world are they going to go door to door?
atypical 11.06.08 at 8:50 pm
153 katinhat
How did someone get a video of this teacher rant? Doesn’t sound plausible!
slyt2 11.06.08 at 8:50 pm
kat ya she said he got all loud and was like don’t tell me what you don’t want to watch I am the teacher you are the students you will do as I say . When the election was still going on he just went on and on like the first week of school about how flipping wonderful BO was.She said she almost walked out of the classroom and went to the office I said you should have and she said i thought you’d get mad, I said NO and she said next time she will if he forces this kind of crap on them again.
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 8:51 pm
ontherocks, don’t feel sad about it. A lot of public schools are like that. I remember it that way growing up. It’s wrong, no doubt.
hillstheone 11.06.08 at 8:51 pm
Woot-woot, Murphy – Great “Tale of Two Parties” Link!!
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 8:51 pm
mick 11.06.08 at 8:23 pm
Snowtiger
50 community hours? Total? That’s not so bad at all. I think it’s a great idea. Many of these kids are so self absorbed, they need to learn how to get off their ass and sweat a little and do something for somebody else for a change.
My daughter goes to a private school, and she’s required to do community service each year. Yes, it’s required.
8th grade – 10 hrs
9th grade – 15 hrs
10th grade – 20 hrs
11th grade – 25 hrs
12th grade – 30 hrs
Total Hours = 100 hrs
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Mick I just ate.
Fine you got your kid in a private school. You pay for it and they require you to send your child out and do “community service” wtf ever that may be, You have the right to take your kid out and send them someplace else.
Average citizens DO NOT.
They will have their children ordered by the state to engage in “community service” as defined by the state or presumably be punished,
Do you see the difference?
dew 11.06.08 at 8:51 pm
Hi PUMAs
Just catching up on today’s posts. Two thoughts:
1. I have 4 boys, a yours, mine and ours situation. Occasionally (truly only occasionally) a squabble would break out. My standard response was “If you can’t be nice to each other, just who in this world do you think will be nice to you!” To this day the oldest 3 (28, 26 and 24) remind each other of that. so I say to you PUMAs – if we cannot be nice and civil to each other here where will it happen. Not out in the big bad world! So play nicely with others.
2. This is catching up from downstairs. I think marriage should be a religious institution. You want to be married go to church, chapel, synagogue. Your union can then be registered with the government. Sorta like filing a contract with the court. Take the whole religious, bible thing out of the government. Your church doesn’t want to have gay marriages, fine someone else will and it all has nothing to do with the government. And by the way, since this union is contractual, you must be an adult (18) as you would be for any other contract. So there!
slyt2 11.06.08 at 8:52 pm
gypsy rebel I guess they have names and addresses she didn’t go into detail, I told her if she needed any help at all she’s got all us puma’s here and don’t think twice about asking for help.
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 8:52 pm
atypical, I know. Seems like a foreign documentary..like they were covering the election process in the USA.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 8:53 pm
Joe Lieberman is one thing and that is a Patriot and a fighter for all of America. Look there are some liberals that want him crixified for sticking his neck out for the war on terrorism. Whether right or wrong he stuck by us troops and never flinched under political pressure. Rham Emanuel will be the iron fist this country has never seen and worse off will lead the Obamanation assualt on all things good in america. We need to do something for Joe so that he now millions of americans love and support him
atypical 11.06.08 at 8:54 pm
What is KPFA?
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 8:55 pm
Keep Puma Faith Always….am i right
Anna7000 11.06.08 at 8:56 pm
Mick – Your posts today seem upbeat. I hope I can take that as a good sign that your terrier is doing ok.
ontherocks 11.06.08 at 8:57 pm
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 8:53 pm
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I am all for helping Joe. I live in CT. He was a big help getting BRAC to take the subase off the list. He has done a lot for the Navy. The DNC are going to try and eat him alive.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 8:57 pm
Welcome airforcehusker
kids1627 11.06.08 at 8:57 pm
community service hmm what about child labor laws if it is fifty hrs a year in 6th-9th and 100 hrs. a year 10th-12th that is six hundred hrs now if they want to do it to get college moneys fine but it should not be forced that is why we are the land of the free and when they start using my tax dollars the way I see it and not bailing out banks so they can buy out others and pay their legal fees we can talk our goverment is way to big and the last I checked they get dam good perks to be leaders if they paid people to do what they want our children to do we would have less unemployment.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 8:58 pm
slyt2 Are those the young reporters for FOX? The young women?
Anna7000 11.06.08 at 8:59 pm
Signing off for the night and leaving everyone with one of my favorite poems of all time, written by Jack Spicer. His work is quite stream of consciousness and irrational. I find this piece haunting and sad and strange…
Love isn’t proud enough to hate
the stranger at its gate
or strong enough to return
or strong enough to return
and back
and back
and back again
what was
slyt2 11.06.08 at 8:59 pm
Ok maybe i am getting a little paranoid here but I sent out a ton of emails today (a little prowl of my own) and I got NO responses back NONE. Usually I will get something back saying they read it(like a autoresponse) but Nothing what is up with that???????????
hillstheone 11.06.08 at 8:59 pm
TOPIC: Bookmark this handy link now if you haven’t already
PUMA’s…
We’ve been through so much together, thank you for the company and camaraderie these past months. We’ve discovered so many commonalities in our view of this crazy world, and the recent anti-gay marriage vote in California is just another bad dream we now need to deal with along our united path here on PUMA blog.
Something I experienced this week was a close relative attacking me for my beliefs about OBAMA. Therefore I suspect others of you will undoubtedly be dealing w/similar stuff (on top of our grief).
Remember to Bookmark this page: http://www.pumapac.org/wund.html
As you may find, like I have, how handy it will come in to make people BACK OFF & consider more carefully their viewpoints.
And by the way, thanks DANCES, Freddie, & whoever else for putting the Action Center together for all of us!
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:00 pm
gypsy rebel yes it was the one tiffany and she gave me her email address
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 9:01 pm
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 8:29 pm
I understand abnd agree with teh points you made, and of course you can say it here, just as I can ask questions and make statements. I also agree the you probably did love her more than anyone I know.
I just can’t seem to reconcile asking for a refund of our contributions. I guess, for myself, it’s pay as you go.
If Puma PAC switched up and did something you didn’t agree with, would you ask for a refund? I wouldn’t.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:02 pm
slyt2 Oh, okay – I saved their email addy this morning! Thanks!! If there’s anything I can do let me help – just can’t door knock!!
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:02 pm
Hello snowtiger from United Kingdom.
I wanted to say thanks to all of you here and the hillaryclintonforum.net. You all were instrumental in me changing three votes from obama to mccain and just wanted to say i did what i could here at the base with afew people i work with.
Pookie 11.06.08 at 9:03 pm
This is part of a letter I received from Hillary today:
Dear Xxxxxxx,
We did it! In this incredible year, we have changed our politics, our country and our nation! And I could not be more proud or more grateful to you for sharing this journey with me. From the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for everything you have done, for me, for Barack Obama, and for all our Democratic candidates, to make these successes possible.
I know that President-Elect Barack Obama will lead our country in the new direction we need. And with the great success of our House and Senate candidates, we can make our agenda a reality.
But make no mistake — our work is not done! I will be doing everything I can in the Senate, working closely with the White House on the goals you and I set out. With President Obama and our strengthened majorities in Congress, we can get our economy back on track. We’re going to make sure every man, woman, and child in America has health care. With smart, effective new policies, we will move toward energy independence and create millions of new green jobs. And we’re finally going to bring the war in Iraq to a responsible close and reestablish America’s relations with our allies around the world. Here is my reply:
Dear Hillary you are most welcome for all the things I have done for YOU, but I have done absolutely nothing for Barack, on the contrary ,I did more to defeat him then I did to get you elected. I feel so bad today I keep hoping I will awake and this will be a really bad night mare, I am so scared for our Country I will NEVER EVER acknowledge Barack as president of this great country, I just wish you had stayed with your supporters like you promised.
Sincerely
X.Xxxxxx
Xxxxxxxxxx, In
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:03 pm
slyt2 I meant web address.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:05 pm
well i got another one too gypsy if you want that one too I can email it to you.
atypical 11.06.08 at 9:06 pm
I don’t think Joe Lieberman owes a damn thing to the Dems. They didn’t support him before, he got elected on his own, Obama strongarmed him during the primaries (one of the few times BO showed up for his day job). The Dem Senate has used Lieberman to keep their majority. So if they no longer him, I hope CT still does, or that he switches to Repub. I expect that JL foresaw the consequences of his supporting McCain and will expect Repubs to help him retain his seat.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:06 pm
I am curious about a voting question. A friend of mine here at work called his mother in Ohio on election day. He lives in one of the northern counties of Ohio in a smaller city. The interesting thing he said was his parents mentioned to him about how when they showed up to vote there was a large group of African Americans getting off of buses. What they felt weird about was that rarely do you see African Americans in this community it is prodominantly white with a few hispanic but no other major nationalities. The other thing they thought was weird was why the need for the buses in this smaller the normal city for these people to arrive to vote?
Has anyone else heard of these kinds of stories.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:07 pm
Pookie I got the same one I wrote a mean letter back and unsubscribed to the email list.
gypsy i meant I got her personal email address to write her if you want that.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:07 pm
slyt2 Yes, please do and I’ll see if there’s anything they want from TX???
Seriously, I’ll do anything they want – maybe help with phone calls or something.
hillstheone 11.06.08 at 9:08 pm
********* HILLARY ********
Have to say I agree w/Dances, asking for money back seems pretty “fair weather friend” to me. I can’t for the life of me understand people taking out their disappointments by asking for donations back from Hillary.
A champion of civil rights, health care, children’s rights, legal aid clinics for the low income, helping survivors of 9-11, champion of women’s rights, slogs it out on the campaign trail in EVERY STATE of the union, gets battered by media & both sides of the aisle, got put over a barrel at Convention by her own party & made to cut short a HISTORIC ROLLCALL, PEOPLE!!, plus, got outspent 3 – 1 in most states by a guy as corrupt as they come, still has a debt to re-pay.
I guess if your goal was to bring someone so down they want to kill themselves, have at it!
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:08 pm
I made a comment today to a few members at work that are obomabots.
Mr Obama is my Command in Chief but he will never be my President
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:08 pm
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:02 pm
Hello snowtiger from United Kingdom.
I wanted to say thanks to all of you here and the hillaryclintonforum.net. You all were instrumental in me changing three votes from obama to mccain and just wanted to say i did what i could here at the base with afew people i work with.
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Thats great to hear husker.
Now have some spotted dick on me.
DeadGirl 11.06.08 at 9:09 pm
Hey PUMA you CAN change your display name. At the bottom of the page, click on the link with your display name, this taks you to your properties page. You cannot change your login name, but you can make a new nickname, and then toggle over to that one… Now, when I changed my display name from deadgirlsrise to DeadGirl, I went in to moderation, so best to let Murphy know ahead of time of your plans and what your name will be. I think it is a safety feature for the blog in case…
Heneri 11.06.08 at 9:09 pm
I heard today that Obama is setting up his cabinet in record time. Interesting. Now how do you suppose he is doing that? Just like the campaign, it is all being done for him. He is the Ronald Reagan of the DNC, the actor, the face, the body selected to run the country according to their blueprint, the front man for a behind the scenes committee. He is on a tight leash, and Rham Emmanuel is the one holding it. Rham is thetered to Dean, Pelosi, and other behind the scenes shadow characters.
In some ways this is encouraging to me. On the surface it would appear that Obama has sold his soul to the DNC. Honestly, I would rather they be in charge than Bill Ayers and company, but not by much.
Now on a lighter note, I saw some celebrity news today right in the middle of the day! Ms. Brittany Spears is dating an old flame! Why mention that piece of trival news here? Because the celebrity of Obama is fading. Within a week he will be hard news, and lots of people will stop fauning over him. Now the grunt work begins, and that is boring to all those just past tenney boppers who have elected him.
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 9:09 pm
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 8:26 pm
Murphy Thank you so much – how do I get to my profile?
——————
Not sure if anyone answered your question. Just below Leave Comment, (above the text box where you type your comments), it says Logged in as Gypsy Rebel…in blue, underlined. Click on that to get to your profile.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:10 pm
airforcehusker Have you heard of anything called “yellow cake” arriving by boat – landing in Canada? Just curious.
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 9:10 pm
#15 Mountiansong if you are still on…Horst is one smart fkng dude, i.e.
. Horst studies the electrophysiology of the larval mosquitoes.
NO ONE has thought of that!!
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:10 pm
I would unfortunately dont drink alcohol but will take you idea for the spirit. I will go out and have Cadbury Chocolate bar instead for you.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:11 pm
Maybe, why do you ask about yellow cake and what are you wondering about more specifically?
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:11 pm
airforcehusker
I talked today with some major contributors to the republican party. I decided to test a theory.
I told them we , PUMA had evidence of 500,00 questionable ballots.
The told me leave it alone and just move on.
One of the reasons I wrote the post about Rove you referenced.
hillstheone 11.06.08 at 9:11 pm
People, am feeling pretty thin-skinned this week. I want to say thanks to everyone who has posted constructive & positive comments here, and especially Snowtiger I notice hasn’t lost his sense of humor (go, Snow)!
I don’t really feel like being flamed for a comment supporting the best candidate for President our country had this election year (like yesterday someone dissed my post for no real reason), so I’m gonna go make dinner now.
TTFN
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:11 pm
DancesWithPumas you’re always taking care of me – thank you!!
BigCatLover 11.06.08 at 9:12 pm
On Hannity they are talking about whether Lieberman will be stripped of his chairmanship in retaliation for supporting McCain. The democrat spokeman (Evan Bayh) said ‘No, he just got caught up in themoment and he should be forgiven’. Translation: they did not get their 60 vote majority in the Senate and they still need Joe to vote with them. Joe seems to live a charmed political life.
alohapuma 11.06.08 at 9:12 pm
#153 Kat
Where is this??? OMG…it’s soo stalinist!! Where is this teacher? Has anyone captured this? AHHHH
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:13 pm
airforcehusker
Rofl. I just always wanted to tell someone that.
hillstheone 11.06.08 at 9:13 pm
Hi, snow! Which one is worse, Karl Rove or Axelrod?!! “Go Vote!”, LOL!!
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:14 pm
gypsy you’ve got mail coming (i hope) lol
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:14 pm
See it is funny you say that about the 500,000 questionable ballots. My theory has always been that the Republican party wanted to see Obama win the White House do to the cyclical cycle of the economic downturn we are in. All economies go thru bad periods and it is better for liberals to have a down economy to pass government handouts and program as compared to a conservative in the white house. It would make sense. Rove is no idiot compared to what many Libs what him to be. The man is a genious and is very capable of seeing trends in politics and americans. He sees something and we just need to put the pieces together.
atypical 11.06.08 at 9:15 pm
slyt2
Will you please post Hillary’s e-mail for me, too.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:15 pm
hillstheone
Heya Hills
Axlerod ’cause Rove is smarter. Ever see that guys head? It looks like a pumpkin I once carved. He must have an I.Q. off the charts.
I really believe Rove used the entire DNC gig as a cats paw.
alohapuma 11.06.08 at 9:15 pm
It’s been documented here several times today…already the spin is starting…change will take time…in other works dont’ hold me accountable.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:15 pm
airforcehusker Well, I was asked about this today and I said I would check around – being a former military spouse I chose you!! I was just wondering if you had heard about it? I will probably be posting a link later about it.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:17 pm
airforcehusker
Agreed. Rove is a genius and he gave the far left the democratic party on a platter.
Republicans will be inn power for twenty year , starting four years from now.
Want to bet Rove came up with the caucus strategy?
goandersen 11.06.08 at 9:17 pm
http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081106133228.aspx
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:17 pm
slyt2 didn’t get it yet but will keep watching for it. Thanks!!
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:17 pm
Another interesting thought about elections. Offut AFb in Nebraska has a ton of my friends. Most are center right in politics but all are open and research issues and candidates. Now obama has already won the white house but i find it interesting that they are telling me you see litereally no yard signs or open support for obama. McCain won the 2nd district by something like 5000 votes but low and behold 12,000 missing ballots where found in a basement of a polling place in Douglas County.
My question is why would these be missing, where did they come from and who found them. Also why the need to get obama 1 more electoral vote. The whole thing seems weird. I am hearing other things out in northern california. McCain signs all over the place no open obama support but yer he wins the counties votes. Doesnt make sense
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:18 pm
atypical I don’t have it I got a letter from her hillpac or whatever and I just replied back and then unsubscribed at the bottom of the letter then deleted it I’m sorry.
KarenWI 11.06.08 at 9:18 pm
I’ve had to be out more than in today. Have we heard anything about Mick’s dogs?
hillstheone 11.06.08 at 9:18 pm
snowtiger, I’ve no doubt in my mind Karl Rove masterminded some of the strategies in the Obama camp. If he’d really wanted to make the GOP win this election cycle, it wouldn’ta been that hard w/the PUMA’s even helping.
I need to go fix dinner now but whilst I saute the veggies & fried rice I’ll be pondering our 3rd PARTY idea once again!
Heneri 11.06.08 at 9:19 pm
Yes, we have all heard of this. It happened over and over in the primaries. It started with the first caucuses in Iowa. These were plants. Did your friend’s parents get a license plate number or anything they could trace? The Obama campaign brings in people from inner cities, some out of state people even for the primaries, and registers them to vote in predominantly white areas. Some have false ID and addresses. Some are registered in multiple precints. They vote and vote and vote, all day long.
What your friend saw was likely voter fraud right in broad daylight.
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airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:06 pm
I am curious about a voting question. A friend of mine here at work called his mother in Ohio on election day. He lives in one of the northern counties of Ohio in a smaller city. The interesting thing he said was his parents mentioned to him about how when they showed up to vote there was a large group of African Americans getting off of buses. What they felt weird about was that rarely do you see African Americans in this community it is prodominantly white with a few hispanic but no other major nationalities. The other thing they thought was weird was why the need for the buses in this smaller the normal city for these people to arrive to vote?
Has anyone else heard of these kinds of stories.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:19 pm
alohapuma
Yup. And there is now way the spin will work.
All those people are waiting right now for the freebies.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:19 pm
goandersen my last email from drac said the computer guy was wiping his harddrive out and starting from scratch. Must have gotten a bad virus or trojan. He will let us know when he’s back up. Haven’t heard from him since you asked.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:19 pm
gypsy rebel Oh sh*t aren’t you the one that starts with L and it’s like two words?????????????????
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:20 pm
I want to make sure i am understanding you. When you are talking yellow cake are you saying uranium
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:20 pm
slyt2 Yes, hubby’s name…..you got it
shasta2001 11.06.08 at 9:20 pm
jenniforhillary,
Do you mean call Hillary’s Senate office too?
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:21 pm
airforcehusker
What part of norcal you talking about. I am in Sacramento and there were plenty of”O” signs and stickers. Comparatively speaking that is. Hardly any McCAIn.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:21 pm
Oh crap get that gone right now Please it’s got my email address.. hit submit to soon….. HELP
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:21 pm
airforcehusker Yes, let me get you some more info…ok?
hillstheone 11.06.08 at 9:22 pm
#243 (can’t get outta here, lol),
My gut instincts tell me there was MASSIVE voter fraud on the part of Obama to beat McCain. Especially in all of the swing states, & other places as well. I believe it was unprecedented in the History of the U.S. what took place this election cycle in terms of FRAUD.
Just tell me what’s worse, airforcehusker:
* Obama’s massive Voter Fraud (& Caucus Fraud preceding that)
OR
* The Media blackout about it?
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:23 pm
Is someone on here that can delete my post ASAP!!!!!!!!!!Post 254
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 9:23 pm
alohapuma: #231
I don’t know. But I remember certain teachers like that in elementary school, and junior high…and college was heavy duty liberal. Things always got into political-social issues: English class–somehow we wound up writing papers on the good things about Cuba. Philosophy class–again, the decency of communism. One sociology course was strictly on Karl Marx for the entire semester, even though that wasn’t what the class was really on.
You know…on and on. And LOTS of politically correct speaking, and you KNEW if you wanted a good grade that you needed to write something sort of radical. Anyway, that’s my experience.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:23 pm
No they are an very elderly couple but thought the whole thing was weird. The interesting thing i said to him was how easy it would be to have these people vote in Cleveland and than load them on the busy with acorn voter registrations and busy them to another county. Look i am not saying obama didnt win ohio i just find it hard to believe he won it by the margin or that it was legitimate.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:24 pm
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:20 pm
I want to make sure i am understanding you. When you are talking yellow cake are you saying uranium
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Had no idea uranium was referred to as yellow cake. I was talking about the English pudding.
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 9:25 pm
Oh, I think I just saw that RFK jr will be head of EPA for Obama.
BTW, I personally know of 5 republicans who did not vote. They thought it wouldn’t count. Wonder how many people thought that.
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 9:25 pm
#28 goofsmom
I am sorry, it isn’t going to self correct. I would advise all Pumas to take whatever actions needed for survival as we are headed for a Depression, not a recession. I am a realist. With this election the dems have finished what the republican right has started. Neither party has realized yet that the people they have kicked to the curb are two thirds of the economy. We all need to do the math and stay together.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:25 pm
Oroville and north of that area.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:26 pm
Nice to hear you are in Sacremento. I will be moving there in april for two years before i retire. My last assignment in the air force.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:26 pm
Dances you can delete that post for me???
goandersen 11.06.08 at 9:26 pm
gypsy rebel
Thanks for the update on Drac.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:27 pm
GOt this a team Sarah.
Does anyone actually listen to Oprah? Is she doing this?
I am a Democrat who has been very much impressed with Sarah Palin having the privilege of working her rallies in recent months. First Hillary (who has been thrown under the bus by Obama) and now Sarah? Even Oprah has announced that she is taking her show into the political realm to promote Obama’s left wing policies now that the election is over. Oprah plans to begin by having Tina from SNL on her show to bash Palin once again. TIME TO REACT LADIES! We PUMA’s shut down Chris Matthews with our emails and calls to both sponsors and to the station.
Contact all media outlets from CNN, MSNBC, FOX, too, ABC etc. one by one and express your dissatisfaction for any negative reporting about Sarah Palin. Tell them you will turn them off! Email the Oprah show and tell her we do not need to see more of Tina bashing Palin and more politics as we get that daily on the news and SNL? I have contacted the Just Say No Deal Coalition or the lead site of Puma’s and its time to merge our interests. There is power in numbers and there is only one reason for what is happening–they want to cut any future off for Sarah Palin leaving the way for 8 years of Pelosi, Dean and the Gang of Merry Chicago politicians and DNC leaders. Given the remarks of Emmanuel, the new Sec. of State, we may see him following Obama. This is delibert, I have had ENOUGH! I have had one nights sleep after 1.5 years fighting for Hillary, the many women who won Congressional seats throughout the country and Sarah Palin. I am rested and will be blasting all media outlets, writing editorials to the newspapers in Virginia and DC. Who is with me? I am hitting the blogs asking that X-Hillary supporters join Team Sarah regardless of their views on abortion, color, party or creed. The National Organization of Women is in the Obama Camp with Ellie Smeal from Ms. Magazine and is losing membership as a result of their narrow view of what it means to be a feminist. I remain in that organization only due to the fact that Kim Gandy is leaving as President and I will join the NY coalition to become a rebel from within with the goal of having my dues protect and support ALL women.
LET’S GO GIRLS! I’m on the PC emailing Cafferty of the Cafferty File about his stupid polling over Palin?
Seattlegirl 11.06.08 at 9:27 pm
mountainsong: I work on a NIH grant too and our grant is up in March 2009. We reapplied also but they are only funding 10% of grants now. Government research is very important because drug companies only research things they can make money from but the government looks into treatments that have nothing to do with blockbuster drug profits. My son is up at WWU, about 40 miles from the border?
Heneri 11.06.08 at 9:27 pm
Bigcatlover:
If Byah had a viable third party he would bolt from the Democratic party just like Lieberman, he just does not want to go it alone. He is very angry about the MI and FL mess, does not like Obama, and has always been a centrist. He is genuine friends with the other Indiana senator, Richard Lugar.
I know I sound like a broken record, but if SOMEBODY builds a viable third party, these two honorable men will probably join. They might even be willing to help build the party if someone like Lynn Forester de Rothschild is the builder of the new centrist party.
I saw today that there were a number of races for house and senate seats where a third party candidate got between 15% and 20% of the votes. That is without party backing and against the two mega party candidates! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a trend going here, and I think it will grow. The nation has started to visualize the value of scaling down the influence of the two cabals. This election may push us through the door to a more equitable election process after all.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:29 pm
slyt2 Didn’t get your email. But looks like you might be getting alot now…….
BigCatLover 11.06.08 at 9:29 pm
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:23 pm
Post directly to MURPHY, then send her an email.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:30 pm
airforcehusker
Well an early welcome to the River City.
Oroville? I can see there would be no sign s for “O” there. Lol. You will know what i mean when you get here.
I will check it out when I can and see what I can dig up. I got a friend up that way.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:31 pm
MURPHY HELP NEED A POST DELETED ASAP !!!
gypsy you are not funny at all, I don’t care about anybody here but those dang little obots…….. grrrrrr not stop teasing me and HELP ME NOW>
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:31 pm
kat in your hat
Ten Million someone said.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:31 pm
A third viable party would be wonderful. The needs to be more accountability and only having two parties isnt doing it. The problem is you sort of have two wackjob parties. Nadar and bob barr this time. I am a libertarian at heart but dont believe for a second there is a voice out there. I think and maybe we lost our opportunity but Ross Perot for all his faults back in 1992 had a chance to build a viable third party but somehow he blew it in the end.
Anna7000 11.06.08 at 9:32 pm
FORGOT TO POST THIS EARLIER. LETTER TO THE MEDIA. SEE Y’ALL TOMORROW….
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Now that we have elected our first African American president, I am looking forward to seeing to who he will appoint to his cabinet. I specifically wonder if women, who comprise 51% of the population in the United States will be appropriately represented. It seems as if the Democratic Party could not see fit to nominate a woman for president. However, one should be able to expect that in this era of hope and change that an Obama cabinet would be at least half female.
I look forward to your ongoing coverage of these appointments.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:33 pm
slyt2 Don’t worry, I posted mine several times just to taunt the bots and nobody had the nerve. Too bad.
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:33 pm
Night Anna
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:33 pm
airforcehusker The only thing wrong with this site is that the articles may not be true – undocumented
I don’t like to post anything that can’t be backed up and I haven’t researched it yet. So I am saying it is a rumor until I can find something more for validation.
This is what was sent to me:
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-130619?ref=email
BigCatLover 11.06.08 at 9:34 pm
Heneri
I agree Bayh would make a great candidate, esp. for a third party. I voted Independent in 2 of our Congressional races this time.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:35 pm
So let me get this straight Tina Fey will continue to do the sarah bashing for what? She sacrificed herself and her family for americans behalf and this is what the leftwing liberals thinks is okay to do. What the f… i mean come on you did a good enough job trying to destroy this lady why dont we leave her alone so she can continue doing an outstanding job of taking care of alaska. A great state i had the pleasure of living in from 1993 to 1998, man i miss that place and yes the newsmedia will never understand that place or its people.
admin 11.06.08 at 9:35 pm
slyt2 #254 — it’s deleted.
sorry for the delay.
–murphy.
atypical 11.06.08 at 9:35 pm
Thanks sly2
I have her hillpac e-mail, I think
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:35 pm
A third party would be difficult.
What would be its guiding philosophy?
Pookie 11.06.08 at 9:36 pm
Sounds like Glenn Beck is falling in line
GLENN: The birth certificate, Joe, went through the court system! It was rejected! Now let’s move off the hearsay. Would we also like to talk to all the people that say the United States and George Bush killed all the people in the levees, that he was planning to blow up the levees? Let’s move off the conspiracy theories! Let’s talk about the facts, and the facts are, Joe, that he is the American President and anyone who doesn’t accept him as the President of the United States is pure and simple un-American. That does not mean that you accept everything he does. That does not mean that you sell out your values. That doesn’t mean that you don’t fight for the Constitution and fight for what you believe in, but he is the President of the United States and if you believe in this system, then you are required, you are required to accept him as the President of the United States, period, and you support him in every way possible because we — a house divided will not stand.
CALLER: Take a breath there, Glenn. The little veins are standing out on your forehead. Are you still with me?
GLENN: Oh, I’m with you, Joe.
CALLER: Okay, all right. You said that the courts rejected the birth certificate thing, correct? And so therefore it’s a moot point. We need to move on.
GLENN: Get off my phone! I can’t take somebody who keeps going back to the birth certificate! Oh!
I swear to you, I told my wife the other day, there’s no place for us to go. There’s no place for us to go. The people on the left hate my guts. The people on the right hate my guts. I’m an enemy to everybody on planet Earth. Why? Because I believe in the Constitution, because I’m not going to pick up arms against the guy who was rightfully elected the President of the United States because I say give the man the benefit of the doubt. Let the man rule and let’s fight him the way Americans fight, in the ballot box, not on the streets, not through smears.
Look, we made good cases. We made the best case we could. The American people did not buy it. Great. We made the best case we could against Barack Obama but what we did wrong is we didn’t make a good case because we didn’t have a good candidate to make the case for what we are, to make the case for the conservative party, to make the case that we are free men, that we do not want to be — have the shackles of government. Well, let’s start making that case. That’s the case that needs to be made, and nobody has made it! Let’s make the case for who we are and for our Constitution and for freedom and for the rule of law.
Let me go to Stan. Hello, Stan, you’re on the Glenn Beck program.
CALLER: I can’t believe you are trying to — I can’t believe you are trying to accept this man as our President. This man has a forged driver’s license. He had a real estate license that’s in question, and I believe most of his vaccinations are false!
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:36 pm
gypsyrebel let me get back to you in a day or so. security reasons if you know what i mean
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:36 pm
Thank you Murphy
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 9:37 pm
#195 airforcehusker
Leiberman handed the democratic party their ass when they tried to kick him out before, now they want revenge! The way I see it we need all the like minded people we can find for this movement wherever we can find them so, Leiberman needs Puma support.
Is it just me or do others realize that we already have a third party? It’s been around for years and building it up with Americans for America would be far easier than trying to start a “third” party?? In fact Leiberman might just be a good place to start.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:39 pm
airforcehusker That’s okay – I really don’t want to spread something like this at all………
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:39 pm
gypsy rebel
Well, I doubt it. The U’S’ Army was afraid terrorists would steal it so they kept it out of the news?
I can’t buy that.
Grizzly 11.06.08 at 9:41 pm
Just caught up with this thread. Obama is planning to REQUIRE 50 to 100 hours of community service? Good Lord! That sounds like a punishment a judge would hand out for a misdemeanor! Yes, folks, community service is a punishment. It is one thing for schools to roll that into a curriculum, and a wholly different thing for the government to require it.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:41 pm
Ok gypsy I send it again have you gotten either of them yet????
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:41 pm
Pookie My brother is a Beck fan, but I think he’s just alittle shy of a full deck! He’s also an Independent, so you never really know………
TerryDo 11.06.08 at 9:41 pm
slyt2 11.06.08 at 8:59 pm
Ok maybe i am getting a little paranoid here but I sent out a ton of emails today (a little prowl of my own) and I got NO responses back NONE. Usually I will get something back saying they read it(like a autoresponse) but Nothing what is up with that???????????
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Slyt2 I think what may have happened is that they have accumulated your email address and other Pumas email addresses and designated them as spam, and of course they would not respond to spam emails.. Just a guess!
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:42 pm
Look a third party should start with this idea first and foremost. Our country is broke, Americans are broke and now both parties want to start spend more money. Obama is planning on billions of dollars in new spending and where is he going to get the money. I look at my families budget and guess what we are barely making it month to month or borrowing out of what little saving we have. I always want to ask a politician why is it the government can go broke and they are justified to take our money but when they take our money it breaks us and guess what no one is there for us. I think McCain was right freeze spending first, look at what is legitimate and spend there but we need to get rid of stuff. Look i used to have a boat that i addored but when gas went through the roof and our budget was tight what was the first thing to go. The boat. Why are we americans expected to sacrifice and give up to make ends meet but our government isnt. Can someone answer that for me????????
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:43 pm
Grizzly
Great point. A puma prize is on its way.
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 9:43 pm
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:26 pm
Dances you can delete that post for me???
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No, sorry. I cannot.
Email Murphy with all caps subject line
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 9:43 pm
#199 ontherocks
I want to ask Murphy to do a Puma pounce on the dnc about their attempt to knock him off his committee and send some Puma love to Joe Leiberman so that he knows that true Americans are behind any true American. What say you?
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 9:43 pm
I like your new name better, Gypsy rebel
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:43 pm
snowtiger007 The thing is, just recently there WAS something on the news that sounds fairly familiar to this..I only listen to FOX, but there’s a familiar ring to it.
slyt2 11.06.08 at 9:44 pm
DancesWithPumas she got it for me thanks for answering me back though.
TerryDo maybe that is the case just seems like it just started happening after Nov 4th oh well whatcha gonna do..lol
bluelady 11.06.08 at 9:45 pm
I’ve lurked daily at this blog and have received and participated in some prowls but I find it hard to deal with the long threads/comments- I find them very disorganized and chaotic.
But anyway, I’ve been thinking about Murphy’s post on a home for the homeless and the future direction of Puma as an ex-partisan force.
My 2 cents:
One of the few ways I see as “holding BO’s feet to the fire” would be in pressuring the FEC to investigate his campaign donations. I don’t think he will be able to hide the sources of those donations forever.
One of the few ways to influence election reform might be in working within the caucus states to eliminate caucuses.That would require pressure on the state parties.
Because Puma has so many people across the country and can speak with a loud voice- because our goal is to be heard-I think these may be areas to work on.
I think I will be working with the New Agenda group on combatting sexism.
Over in the action forum there is mention of an online magazine to highlight the Puma message. This is a great idea, in my view.
Unfortunately my comments will now be lost in the great mass of comments, but I was moved to say something and maybe someone else will pick up where i left off.
Back to lurking-take care.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:45 pm
Dont worry rebel i will get back with you shortly
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:45 pm
mountainsong Out with the old – in with the new!! With all the changes going on today, I just had to admit I’m going to be a rebel and a fighter.
Thanks
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 9:45 pm
LOL A friend sent a email to the WH saying he’s looking forward to seeing biden in the white house. LOL
admin 11.06.08 at 9:45 pm
thanks deadgirl #221.
it’s good to have a techie in the house!
too bad the admin of this blog is NOT a techie.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:46 pm
airforcehusker Thanks so much..
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:47 pm
gypsy rebel
Still, the idea that the U,S. army is scared terrorist will steal 550 metric tons of uranium?
BBL
Pookie 11.06.08 at 9:48 pm
Grizzly: Nobama is taking a stand on the ONLY thing he has ever done, ‘Community Organizer’ was the only thing on his resume.These people that believed his pie in the sky promises are going to get a wake up call. It will be early morning, and they are going to be saying “But you PROMISED”
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 9:48 pm
CyberFerret52 He has a Phd in Biophysics and is a visiting profesor from Germany. Married my friend so he gets to stay.
BigCatLover 11.06.08 at 9:50 pm
bluelady 11.06.08 at 9:45 pm
Since you suggested an action, post that info on the Action forum too. Shouldn’t get lost there.
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 9:50 pm
Dances…
I don’t have to agree with every comment OR every action of PUMA to still feel at home here….it would BE IMPOSSIBLE for millions to think as one on every issue…
that being said, if PUMA decided to Support BO…THAT would be when I would draw the line and say NOPE and ask for my money back.
This is the standard that I am holding Hillary to also. I would have stood with her until we won, or we died, but I cannot stand by and let her support BO and the Dems with MY money or my heart.
NO BO. That is all I ask. NO BO. I know it is too much, but I DEMAND IT.
And the day PUMA dies, I will fade too…
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 9:50 pm
I wonder is pumapac.org could request or demand a recount and certification of all votes.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:51 pm
bluelady,
i agree with you 100%. Where did all this money come from, more importantly who bought influence. Look it didnt come from his supporters at grant park. The majority of them are young adults, college kids starting out on their own who probably dont have a pot to piss in like my father would say back in the day. This money thing is scary but the scarier notion is if you are a political candidate running for office why would you elect the public funds like mccain did. That alone money wise killed him in this election. I find it funny believe it or not that with the economy bad, two term president leaving office, 600million to 98 million in campaign funds, media in the court of obama that this guy barely and i say barely won this elections. Look if the events in september with the finance mess never happend there is a good possibility that mccain would have kept florida, north carolina, ohio, indiana and probably iowa, or nevada and won the election. Money was the deciding factor and you can say what you want but obama bought the white house, why wont americans wake up to that fact.
Grizzly 11.06.08 at 9:51 pm
snowtiger007 11.06.08 at 9:39 pm
gypsy rebel
Well, I doubt it. The U’S’ Army was afraid terrorists would steal it so they kept it out of the news?
I can’t buy that.
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I suppose it is possible. I personally have always wondered what happened to the old stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons that Iraq never destroyed or accounted for. After the first Gulf War, we did have inspectors in there who inventoried all that crap. The inventories were measured in TONS.
Saddam kicked all of the inspectors out, but there was never any record of where these stockpiles went. And when we go back in, they are all gone?
While Congress was playing partisan politics agruing about the decision to go to war, no one bothered to ask the question that at least bothered me – where’d it go?
There were a couple of books written by a guy named Yossef (or Josef) Bodansky. He had sources throughour the middle east, like the Egyptian Intelligence service, to name one. In one of his books, he detailed the accounting of what was inventoried by the inspectors. It was an eye opener, especially considering this is what they found and probably left out a lot of unfound reserves.
I don’t know if the report about yellow cake is credible, expecially since none of the documented stockpiles of biochem were ever found. Why scuttle the biochem and not the uranium?
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 9:51 pm
Test
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 9:52 pm
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 9:50 pm
When Hillary pulled the plug when she could have stepped up, and when she asked us all to support BO, she fell of the pedestal and broke into too many pieces for me to put back together. She’s done in politics.
DancesWithBadCode 11.06.08 at 9:52 pm
testing
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 9:53 pm
Good Lord, I couldn’t remember who was POTUS when I was born so I had to go look it up. LOL It was FDR. OMG, that’s alot of politics since then!
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:54 pm
bluelady You’re not lost. I try to go back and read everything – most of us do that…….
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One of the few ways I see as “holding BO’s feet to the fire” would be in pressuring the FEC to investigate his campaign donations. I don’t think he will be able to hide the sources of those donations forever.
One of the few ways to influence election reform might be in working within the caucus states to eliminate caucuses.That would require pressure on the state parties.
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I think this was brought up and the caucus system has been abused and can’t figure out why we would need it anyways! TX is still a caucus state and I hope to help push it out the door here!! The delegates, in essence, get to vote twice, once for themselves, and then again for the state. Not many people understand the caucus procedure – it is old and outdated!!
Thanks and am in agreement with you!!
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 9:55 pm
Grizzly I heard it all went to Israel.
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:56 pm
Grizzly,
I believe you hit the nail on the head. Yes we went to war, yes people were divided, You had the concern about sadaam and than you had the liberals trying to hit bush for every mistake he made.
The interesting thing in this whole situation is yes he did have chemicals, everyone knew this and it was documented. In all fairness to bush when we didnt find the massive piles of these weapons the antiwar crowd used it as a rope around bushes neck but in the end the actual question by everyone should have been where did these chemicals and weapons go??????
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 9:57 pm
Grizzly I looked for you Grissly since you do so much research!! Thanks!
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 9:57 pm
I’m in moderation…
messed with stuff
Grizzly 11.06.08 at 9:57 pm
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 9:55 pm
Grizzly I heard it all went to Israel.
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That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard that one, but it does make a lot of sense.
LatinPuma 11.06.08 at 9:58 pm
#243 Airforcehusker:
Your friends testimony reminds me of a news clip I saw here in Indiana, Indianapolis. I believe it was on the last day of early voting; ; the news report was about the early turnout, thus one of the clips I saw made me paused for a minute; they showed one of the court/precinct workers wearing an Obama hat; additionally, people/workers were carrying/hauling boxes and boxes of ballots in a private mini van (Obviously transporting them to a main collecting point). I had the thought that they had the perfect opportunity to loose some ballots if they desired.
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 9:59 pm
jenniforhillary
Got it. Thanks.
Pookie 11.06.08 at 10:00 pm
***************From Newsmax********************
Breaking from Newsmax.com
Special: Obama Bought Election with $650 Million
A Newsmax special report by Kenneth Timmerman finds that Barack Obama beat John McCain for one reason: he spent more. Obama raised a record-breaking $650 million. But now new questions have emerged about shadowy foreign donations in excess of $60 million. And Obama still has not released the names of donors who gave him almost $300 million.
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 10:00 pm
#213 atypical
I think we need to give Joe some Puma love and the dnc a slap for going after him. What say you? (We need to get back to work anyway as despondency is so..despondent.)
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 10:00 pm
I will always love you dances….
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 10:01 pm
Latinpuma,
See that is the thing i am talking about. How can you have people who are poll workers walking around with campaign garb on. Furthermore why is it always that a small group of people are seen transporting these ballots. Is it not possible for these ballots to be prefilled in a box and than when transported to another county office they are switched. I mean think about it, I am not saying he didnt win indiana and north carolina and such but some of these are deep republican states and areas and i seriously doubt that he made so many instrides into these areas.
Grizzly 11.06.08 at 10:01 pm
I’m going to look for that Bodansky book tomorrow. I started paying attention to what he wrote after 9/11. His book I am talking about was writtten after the First Gulf War and before 9/11 – it had an extensive discussion about the threat posed by Osama Bin Laden and a prediction that Bin Laden would attack the US mainland using commercial airliners as a weapon!
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 10:02 pm
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 10:00 pm
I will always love you dances….
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Me too, you.
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 10:02 pm
mountain
I miss asian….
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 10:04 pm
Grizzly were you able to find out anything new when I said to tie Pelosi in with the terrorists?
jenniforhillary 11.06.08 at 10:05 pm
I’m not going to change my name…I am proud of the THOUSANDS of posts across the internet I have made with this name. And in essence I will always be for Hillary…the true Hillary, not the new Hillary…
ON that note, I cannot take the tears and I am going to go take a bath and dream about glass ceilings, Maya, Martin, my mother and a better day..
murphy 11.06.08 at 10:05 pm
randomness posted.
take it upstairs!
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 10:05 pm
#214 airforcehusker
It’s simple. The election has been thrown by A.C.O.R.N. That is a fact, now proving it is not likely with this much money thrown at a candidate and corporate America’s billions behind the fraud. That is why we are here. Americans have a steep uphill climb to take back their democracy. Ready to fight?
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 10:06 pm
Can anyone confirm the following for me. The following was sent to me by a friend
Al Sharpton was named possible head of Dept of Housing and Urban Development
Casper Cat 11.06.08 at 10:07 pm
Something I find very interesting here in Riverside County, there were a TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE STANDING ON THE STREETS HOLDING SIGNS AND RUNNING ADS EVERY 15 MINUTES FOR ‘YES ON PROP 8″ I just wish all of that time, energy and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ was on Supporting McCain for president…But, No! All of the Churches around here had all of their members out protesting in the streets, neighborhoods, shopping malls, resturant’s,(and you name it) Also, at the entering and exiting of freeways…And, the signs around the area were in the thousands…Unbelievable!!!! But, why weren’t they supporting MCCain??????
LatinPuma 11.06.08 at 10:10 pm
#280 Gypsy Rebel and Airforcehusker:
“Yellow Cake” Yes the report appears to be legit; here I have the link to an MSNBC report dated July 08. Of course the media did not give this information the coverage it deserves; I did not know about this until today:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 10:11 pm
See i thought that was interesting also. Now for the record John McCain was pro gay and lesbian, one of his campaign advisors was gay and most of us didnt care about that. But i would have thought that if there was that many religous people showing up to vote for that measure why would they be pulling the lever for obama. Doesnt seem to amke sense to me either.
goandersen 11.06.08 at 10:12 pm
airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 10:06 pm
Can anyone confirm the following for me. The following was sent to me by a friend
Al Sharpton was named possible head of Dept of Housing and Urban Development
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Reparations my friend, reparations…
DancesWithPumas 11.06.08 at 10:13 pm
Uploaded to the Action Center: sent by GBPuma
Sstate by State Comparisions with 2004.
These numbers are as of 6pm tonight (6 Nov). There are many states that a far below the 2004 levels.
(It is in excel 97-2003 format for those that don’t have the excel 007version).
http://pumapac.org/election.html
Left hand column, near the top
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 10:14 pm
You’re going to end up down here alone!!
mountainsong 11.06.08 at 10:14 pm
Seattlegirl 11.06.08 at 9:27 pm Well, I do hope you can all get grant extensions. Yes, WWU is here in Bellingham.
atypical 11.06.08 at 10:14 pm
330CyberFerret52
Yes, did you notice that many of us are despondent?
I’d go for sending Joe some love, but I don’t think there is anyone home at DNC to slap.
LatinPuma 11.06.08 at 10:14 pm
#343 Airfocehusker: The pack went upstairs; meaning there is a new post. (You might know already, just go to he main page and you should see the new post). See you there.
gypsy rebel 11.06.08 at 10:16 pm
murphy 11.06.08 at 10:14 pm
when a new post is posted, there is a link to “newer post” under the comment box. clicking on that will bring you “upstairs”
clicking on “older post” will bring you “downstairs.”
these are not random facts. they are very important.
Hispanic4Hillary 11.06.08 at 10:17 pm
Good Evening PUMAS….I am finally getting over my depression of the McCain/Palin loss.
I have thought of some ideas…
1. Have a strong PUMA appear on the view and on Oprah and let them have it…
2. Train PUMA’s for office.
3. Create PUMA chapters in all states to become stronger.
4. Create an Acorn type organization and hit the government up for funds.
5. Shut down ACORN.
6. Create a PARTY of our own.
7. Create PUMA advocate groups
this are only a few….maybe I am just crazy..
BrianH 11.06.08 at 10:28 pm
kat in your hat 11.06.08 at 6:42 pm
Hey, lemmings outnumber foxes, too. Chomp! 
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. What a LAUGH! Brainwashed by media, by religion, by school, by e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g. Hey stupid women out there in the world: YOU are the majority. lol…but shhhhhhhhhh, keep it a secret.//
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BrianH 11.06.08 at 10:32 pm
Hispanic4Hillary 11.06.08 at 10:17 pm
Good Evening PUMAS….I am finally getting over my depression of the McCain/Palin loss.
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5. Shut down ACORN.
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Easier said than done:
http://tinyurl.com/ClPiChart
That chart shows much (most?) but not all of the network that needs attention. Don’t underestimate your opponent. That’s handing him trumps and spades.
Heneri 11.06.08 at 10:34 pm
In the last few days I have been reviewing the last 36 years and the presidential elections in them. I remember my first election in 1972. Nixon was running for his second term. I voted McGovern. Lots of people thought I was wrong to vote for him. Turns out that less than 2 years later, Nixon had to resign. As I recall, it had to do with election fraud of another kind.
catsarepumas 11.06.08 at 10:43 pm
My computer can’t read the cd drive any more; I may have disrupted the connection when I put cleaned it 2 weeks ago, so I am going to have to shut everything down and open up the cpu to check all the connections and parts. If I have to put in a new cd drive I may be away for the whole drive. Bad timing, but I need to copy some stuff to cds so I have to get on it. Be back when I can (BBWIC??)
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 11:13 pm
At this moment the liberals are basking in their own glow. Make no mistake about it Pumas all hell is going to break loose. Wall street doesn’t like Obama and people will wake up soon enough to being scammed. Either Hillary or John would have done their best for this country. We are now under control of the shadow government. Yes, thats right, the Chicago machine has just scammed it’s way into the whitehouse. We the people of this country only have each other and we had better get savvy quick.
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 11:24 pm
#282 airforcehusker 11.06.08 at 9:35 pm
She was far too popular, they want to make sure she never comes back. Most especially because she is smart and real.
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 11:25 pm
#285 snowtiger007
Country first.
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 11:35 pm
#311 Mountiansong
Science is my strong suit. Can’t claim his credentials but feel privileged to understand what he is about. Hope he deserves to be “kept”. Unfortunately quite often the higher the I.Q. the bigger pain in the ass.
Woodie 11.06.08 at 11:40 pm
I want to know why they have not asked about the fact that the military votes did not count. The last I read Mccain filed suit. They were sent out late and he requested they be counted later. Isn’t that quite a few votes.?
My opinion is that I don’t understand why obama would put his family through this. The fact is he has been dishonest on several levels. it is going to catch up with him and he is going to get nailed. It is unlikely he will make it to Jan. 25th. Any bets anyone?
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 11:45 pm
I guess that is the question we forgot to ask…who was watching the vote counters?
mccaindemo 11.06.08 at 11:48 pm
JenniferforHillary – Yes!!! Thank you for expressing my thoughts!!!!!!!
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 11:50 pm
#348 atypical
That’s okay, we WILL find them. One way or another. Yawn. Nite all.
CyberFerret52 11.06.08 at 11:55 pm
#355 catsarepumas
Before you do all of that, check your make and model number on the drive and see if you deleted the driver. You can download it and the computer should install it.
If that doesn’t work if you have XP you can try a repair. Good luck!
Woodie 11.06.08 at 11:55 pm
If you want a place to start. Look at the machines, look at the tallies. How do we know that the figures that cnn and others are the right figures. They could be be giving us a rack of shit. How do we know that mccain really won. I mean really. when I talked to 2 young people they both told me they were voting mccain.
How do we know they didn’t jimmy the figures period? I think we should bring up all the things that we know about obama. Keep hounding those people until we get an answer about everything. Where the hell did he get 750 million dollars? It is illegal to get money from a foreign entity. He wont reveal that, he wont reveal his college records, he wont reveal his BC. How in the hell can americans sit there and vote a guy in who all we really know is his a liar, a cheater, and that’s all we know about him. People you need to wake up.
You need to find out who this guy is and why the hell this happened in the first place. Remember jan. 25th is ways a way. We need answers.
mccaindemo 11.06.08 at 11:56 pm
I read that Ohio had alot fewer votes than 2004 ??? How is their voting set up…could votes just ‘disappear’ (tossed ballots,riged machines,etc.)Just don’t believe those numbers with so much voter fraud. Guess we will never know…Chicago threw the election for JFK and now for BHO…NO WONDER his campaign is calling him the new JFK !
Griffin 11.07.08 at 1:14 am
I agree with Hispanic4Hillary; why wait around, hoping and praying that someone else starts a viable new party? Seems to me we’ve already started one, the Puma Party, created by women for women. A party for women is exactly what we need. I’ve never been politically active in my life, except for voting, until this election. I am enraged and I absolutely MUST do something with this anger. I need to channel it into something revolutionary and massive, or I just might explode. But we need to get physical, Pumas. Meeting virtually is too nebulous and a bit frustrating for me. I need real life contact with other Pumas. Why aren’t we organizing in every state and actively recruiting? Why aren’t we meeting with each other to plan out our next steps and then carry them out? So much to do before 2012. I’m fairly frothing at the mouth to get started.
NP4HilARee 11.07.08 at 5:46 am
Murphy, if you catch this pleas email me – I’m having trouble with this site
Thanks
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